From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 13 17: 8:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ADFE37B401 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 17:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scanmail4.cableone.net (scanmail4.cableone.net [24.116.0.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11AFA43EAA for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 17:08:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crash207@cableone.net) Received: from scanmail4.cableone.net ([10.116.0.124]) by scanmail4.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:52:07 -0700 Received: from scanmail4.cableone.net [24.116.0.124] by scanmail4.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id A7271E2000F0; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:52:07 -0700 Received: from (182-245.twicpe.cableone.net [24.116.182.245]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:52:06 -0600 From: "Matt Wardell" To: Subject: router question Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 18:13:35 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SMTP-HELO: dragon X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: crash207@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 182-245.twicpe.cableone.net [24.116.182.245] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i have cable modem that only provides 1 dynamic ip addres. i want to use a freeBSD mechine running 4.6 as a router and firewall so i can get all my win2k pc's on the net. where can i find info about this? thanks matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 13 18:19:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528E737B401 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 18:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from samson.sentinelchicken.net (h-64-105-205-76.CMBRMAOR.covad.net [64.105.205.76]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3318843EB2 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 18:19:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwm@sentinelchicken.net) Received: (qmail 3845 invoked by uid 1000); 14 Oct 2002 01:19:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 21:19:18 -0400 From: Jason Morgan To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: router question Message-ID: <20021014011918.GB2426@sentinelchicken.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 06:13:35PM -0600, Matt Wardell wrote: > i have cable modem that only provides 1 > dynamic ip addres. > i want to use a freeBSD mechine running 4.6 > as a router and firewall so i can get all my win2k pc's > on the net. > where can i find info about this? > thanks > matt If you have a cable modem, you will probably have to run PPPoE, but you should first check with your ISP if that's what is required (from my experience, if you ask them specifically about PPPoE, you'll get a dull response - ask, instead, if a username and password are required - you'll probably already know that anyway). Start here for PPPoE: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/pppoe.html As for the routing, it's actually a lot easier than it sounds initially. Look here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/advanced-networking.html and here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/routing.html and here, maybe: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/natd.html Cheers, Jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 13 18:29:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF6F37B401 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 18:29:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arbornet.org (m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449B843EBE for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 18:29:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from polytarp@m-net.arbornet.org) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arbornet.org (8.12.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g9E1V4Aj007516; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 21:31:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from polytarp@m-net.arbornet.org) Received: from localhost (polytarp@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g9E1V37t007513; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 21:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 21:31:03 -0400 (EDT) From: pgreen To: Jason Morgan Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: router question In-Reply-To: <20021014011918.GB2426@sentinelchicken.net> Message-ID: <20021013213000.N7458-100000@m-net.arbornet.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just "READ THE HANDBOOK" would have been appropriate. You gave too much help. On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, Jason Morgan wrote: > On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 06:13:35PM -0600, Matt Wardell wrote: > > i have cable modem that only provides 1 > > dynamic ip addres. > > i want to use a freeBSD mechine running 4.6 > > as a router and firewall so i can get all my win2k pc's > > on the net. > > where can i find info about this? > > thanks > > matt > > If you have a cable modem, you will probably have to run PPPoE, > but you should first check with your ISP if that's what is required > (from my experience, if you ask them specifically about PPPoE, > you'll get a dull response - ask, instead, if a username and > password are required - you'll probably already know that anyway). > > Start here for PPPoE: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/pppoe.html > > As for the routing, it's actually a lot easier than it sounds initially. > > Look here: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/advanced-networking.html > > and here: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/routing.html > > and here, maybe: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/natd.html > > > Cheers, > > Jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 13 18:33:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C541637B401 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 18:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nic.upatras.gr (nic.upatras.gr [150.140.129.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0BD4343EA9 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 18:33:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (qmail 11927 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2002 01:26:03 -0000 Received: from upnet-dialinpool-58.upnet.gr (HELO hades.hell.gr) (@150.140.128.196) by nic.upatras.gr with SMTP; 14 Oct 2002 01:26:03 -0000 Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9E1X5q8001567; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 04:33:05 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9E1X43S001566; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 04:33:04 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 04:33:04 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: pgreen Cc: Jason Morgan , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: router question Message-ID: <20021014013303.GA1490@hades.hell.gr> References: <20021014011918.GB2426@sentinelchicken.net> <20021013213000.N7458-100000@m-net.arbornet.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021013213000.N7458-100000@m-net.arbornet.org> X-PGP-Fingerprint: C1EB 0653 DB8B A557 3829 00F9 D60F 941A 3186 03B6 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-10-13 21:31, pgreen wrote: > On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, Jason Morgan wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 06:13:35PM -0600, Matt Wardell wrote: > > > i have cable modem that only provides [...] > > > > [...] > > Start here for PPPoE: > > [...] ? > Just "READ THE HANDBOOK" would have been appropriate. You gave too much > help. A few extra pointers never hurt anyone. Well, except for the occasional unlucky C programmer, of course... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 13 18:36:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 501DD37B401 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 18:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lightning.adam.com.au (lightning.adam.com.au [203.2.124.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 509A243E91 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 18:36:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lloy0076@adam.com.au) Received: (qmail 1061 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2002 01:36:16 -0000 Received: from 202-6-129-212.ip.adam.com.au (HELO adam.com.au) (202.6.129.212) by eden.adam.com.au with SMTP; 14 Oct 2002 01:36:16 -0000 Message-ID: <3DAA2314.5E8974F@adam.com.au> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:21:16 +0930 From: David Lloyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.19-xfs i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD-4.7-Release Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE set of CD's. That's what it calls itself. Now I understand that this is a "real" [i.e. not a candidate] release from the STABLE branch...but I'm confused as usual. DSL -- Somewhere where I hope to find someone Still I find myself near you If I hear the words I'll go. (from the musical Martin Guerre) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 13 18:43:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC67537B401 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 18:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nic.upatras.gr (nic.upatras.gr [150.140.129.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A16E843EB3 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 18:43:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (qmail 13930 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2002 01:36:39 -0000 Received: from upnet-dialinpool-58.upnet.gr (HELO hades.hell.gr) (@150.140.128.196) by nic.upatras.gr with SMTP; 14 Oct 2002 01:36:39 -0000 Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9E1hnq8003618; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 04:43:49 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9E1hm6A003617; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 04:43:48 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 04:43:48 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: David Lloyd Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD-4.7-Release Message-ID: <20021014014347.GA1427@hades.hell.gr> References: <3DAA2314.5E8974F@adam.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3DAA2314.5E8974F@adam.com.au> X-PGP-Fingerprint: C1EB 0653 DB8B A557 3829 00F9 D60F 941A 3186 03B6 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-10-14 11:21, David Lloyd wrote: > I have a FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE set of CD's. That's what it calls itself. > Now I understand that this is a "real" [i.e. not a candidate] release > from the STABLE branch...but I'm confused as usual. What are you confused about? This is what this list is all about, afaik. To provide useful pointers and references to anyone and everyone. Have you ever installed FreeBSD again or is this your first attempt of an installation? - Giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 13 19: 5: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7BB37B401 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 19:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lightning.adam.com.au (lightning.adam.com.au [203.2.124.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D9E943E8A for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 19:04:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lloy0076@adam.com.au) Received: (qmail 43737 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2002 02:04:57 -0000 Received: from 202-6-129-212.ip.adam.com.au (HELO adam.com.au) (202.6.129.212) by eden.adam.com.au with SMTP; 14 Oct 2002 02:04:57 -0000 Message-ID: <3DAA29CD.E7C22D12@adam.com.au> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:49:57 +0930 From: David Lloyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.19-xfs i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD-4.7-Release References: <3DAA2314.5E8974F@adam.com.au> <20021014014347.GA1427@hades.hell.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Giorgos, > What are you confused about? Some people are telling me that I've got a pre-release of 4.7 whilst others are telling me I have the official release now being downloaded of the FreeBSD mirror. Given that I have 4 CD's I don't want to download them all again if I can avoid it. > everyone. Have you ever installed FreeBSD again or is this your first > attempt of an installation? I've installed 4.3, 4.4 and 4.6. I'm more of a Linux (and RedHat Linux at that) person so FreeBSD feels very familiar but also very foreign. Especially it's default shell for users, I always end up tabbing four times before I realise autocompletion isn't on :-( DSL -- Somewhere where I hope to find someone Still I find myself near you If I hear the words I'll go. (from the musical Martin Guerre) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 13 19:47:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A6B237B401 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 19:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tierzero.apana.org.au (sa.apana.org.au [203.14.158.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143CD43EB7 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 19:47:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bastill@sa.apana.org.au) Received: from BAPhD (dialup-2.pasa.apana.org.au [203.14.158.131]) by tierzero.apana.org.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g9E2lQL19035; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:17:26 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from bastill@sa.apana.org.au) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Brian Astill Reply-To: bastill@sa.apana.org.au To: David Lloyd , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD-4.7-Release Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:19:08 +0930 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <3DAA2314.5E8974F@adam.com.au> In-Reply-To: <3DAA2314.5E8974F@adam.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200210141219.08336.bastill@sa.apana.org.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday 14 October 2002 11:21, David Lloyd wrote: > I have a FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE set of CD's. That's what it calls itself. > Now I understand that this is a "real" [i.e. not a candidate] release > from the STABLE branch...but I'm confused as usual. Why didn't you ask someone near you who uses FreeBSD? :-) The answer is a FAQ and isn't difficult. Stable is -well - stable. However there are one or two more things people want to do/check before releasing a full new version which will be called by the magic name Release. Some people like to "track" stable, knowing that they have the latest, greatest, most secure but still stable system at all times. Current is the development forerunner to stable. Some people like to track this, but NOT in a mission-critical environment. :-) HTH -- Regards, Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 14 3:43:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5561437B401 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A200643EBE for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:43:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu) Received: from localhost (ce392a721c69ebf894d924fcee4b2208@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9EAbgUn007084; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:37:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:37:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: Doug Young Cc: ML Duke , "SILVER, MICHAEL A" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, "'Keith Davey'" , "'David Johnson'" Subject: Re: Newbie packages In-Reply-To: <089901c042c9$d01c7700$837e03cb@dougy> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Doug Young wrote: > > FWIW, I'd like to see the VNC application included as a standard package in > FreeBSD .... its infinitely > more usable than commercial Windows equivalents like pcAnywhere / Terminal > Services / etc & has the > advantage of being usable in virtually all operating systems. > vnc (vncserver and vncviewer) are not part of the base install, but they've been in the ports collection for a long time; I use them. And the documentation is quite good, from the web site. Annelise -- Annelise Anderson Author of: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your PC Available from: BSDmall.com and amazon.com (with 4.6.2 installation CD) Book Website: http://www.bittreepress.com/FreeBSD/introbook/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 14 3:46:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B886F37B401 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brizzie.org (CPE-203-51-205-34.qld.bigpond.net.au [203.51.205.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0183043EAC for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:46:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle (oracle.brizzie.org [192.168.0.3]) by brizzie.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g9EAjtse074148; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:45:56 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Message-ID: <08b001c2736e$e5f4fcf0$0300a8c0@oracle> From: "Doug Young" To: "Annelise Anderson" Cc: "ML Duke" , "SILVER, MICHAEL A" , , "'Keith Davey'" , "'David Johnson'" References: Subject: Re: Newbie packages Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:45:55 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Where did this come from ?? ...... its two years old !!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Annelise Anderson" To: "Doug Young" Cc: "ML Duke" ; "SILVER, MICHAEL A" ; ; "'Keith Davey'" ; "'David Johnson'" Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Newbie packages > On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Doug Young wrote: > > > > > > FWIW, I'd like to see the VNC application included as a standard package in > > FreeBSD .... its infinitely > > more usable than commercial Windows equivalents like pcAnywhere / Terminal > > Services / etc & has the > > advantage of being usable in virtually all operating systems. > > > vnc (vncserver and vncviewer) are not part of the base install, > but they've been in the ports collection for a long time; I use > them. > > And the documentation is quite good, from the web site. > > Annelise > > -- > Annelise Anderson > Author of: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your PC > Available from: BSDmall.com and amazon.com (with 4.6.2 installation CD) > Book Website: http://www.bittreepress.com/FreeBSD/introbook/ > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 14 4: 0:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9070E37B401 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 04:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E07C43EB7 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 04:00:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu) Received: from localhost (97709588852fcef6ae2d1b3d594a336c@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9EAuQUn007144; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:56:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:56:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: ML Duke Cc: David Johnson , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie packages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, ML Duke wrote: > > > So I'm thinking of creating a short article (unofficial) that lists one > > > or two recommended packages in a variety of categories. > > Excellent idea. I remember being so confused even to make a port > to _try_ an application was a trial: "make? right. What's make?" > Seems we can do that right here on this list real simple like. > > For starters I would recommend: > Lynx > Pine > Netscape > ee > ispell > xpdf > CorelWP > gimp > > Course that's just me. With enough contributions, we could probably > cover most everything right here on newbies. > > ML Duke > > I haven't been following this in detail but my recommendations are 1) cvsup and 2) a good shell, probably bash because it does everything and Linux uses it as the default. Beyond that it depends on what you want to to--I was using "mail" to send mail tonight, just out of sheer quick convenience. Annelise -- Annelise Anderson Author of: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your PC Available from: BSDmall.com and amazon.com; with 4.6.2 installation CD (soon to be 4.7 and then.... Book Website: http://www.bittreepress.com/FreeBSD/introbook/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 14 4: 0:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8583F37B401 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 04:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF3B43E88 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 04:00:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu) Received: from localhost (3d8c970cf2d2397c6e859b3e0fdb626f@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9EAmVUn007136; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:48:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:48:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: David Johnson Cc: Rick Hamell , "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: Newbie packages In-Reply-To: <39FDF2CF.A0E53CA9@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, David Johnson wrote: > Rick Hamell wrote: > > > At this point this almost sounds like it'd be easier to add to > > each port's description.... If the user is going to have to to through the > > trouble of reading each of these that'd be easier. I still think as > > "suggested" list is the better track, heck even both would be a good idea. > > But at last count there were 4004 packages! I don't want to get this > document too involved, only a few packages in each area, and just a > couple of comments for them. What I am trying to avoid is spending hours > going through all of the package descriptions during installation. > > By now most of us know which ones we use and need, but for the first > time user, particularly if they aren't coming over from the Linux world, > 4004 choices to make is VERY intimidating. One friend of mine tried out > SuSE and aborted the installation to take a deep breath. And it only had > about 2000 packages. His first question to me was "which editor should I > install, 'cause there's twelve of them here?" > > David > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > Just FYI, I tried in my book to review each category of ports and highlight the ones that would be most useful to new users, while still identifying the "power houses" that might be useful in advanced systems administration etc. There are 7000+ ports now, of which I estimated about 10% are foreign language duplicates-- certainly of interest if you're learning the foreign language or communicating internationally, but otherwise not. I gave short schrift to some technical categories that interested people would be able to explore on their own (e.g., math, cad). Nevertheless it was a difficult job and I don't use all of the ports-- so I can hardly say what is the *best* for doing this or that--I was however able to identify the "favorites" of other people, or suggest a couple of alternatives to some of the more standard fare. People thanked me for various aspects of the book...but no one ever thanked me for the run-down on the software. Annelise -- Annelise Anderson Author of: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your PC Available from: BSDmall.com and amazon.com; now with 4.6.2, soon with 4.7 installation CD Book Website: http://www.bittreepress.com/FreeBSD/introbook/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 14 4:27:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6951037B401 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 04:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.thundernet.cz (mail.thundernet.cz [62.77.87.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C90AA43E9C for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 04:27:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from neuhauser@bellavista.cz) Received: (qmail 1146 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2002 11:27:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freepuppy.bellavista.cz) (62.168.44.50) by mail.thundernet.cz with SMTP; 14 Oct 2002 11:27:47 -0000 Received: by freepuppy.bellavista.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B2B462FDAB2; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:27:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:27:43 +0200 From: Roman Neuhauser Cc: David Johnson , Rick Hamell , "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: Newbie packages Message-ID: <20021014112743.GZ364@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> References: <39FDF2CF.A0E53CA9@acuson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org # andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu / 2002-10-14 03:48:31 -0700: > On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, David Johnson wrote: > > Rick Hamell wrote: > > > At this point this almost sounds like it'd be easier to add to > > > each port's description.... If the user is going to have to to > > > through the trouble of reading each of these that'd be easier. I > > > still think as "suggested" list is the better track, heck even > > > both would be a good idea. > > > > But at last count there were 4004 packages! I don't want to get this > > document too involved, only a few packages in each area, and just a > > couple of comments for them. this won't work. I mean, such a document will never see the light of the day. see the bikeshed faq entry. > > What I am trying to avoid is spending hours going through all of the > > package descriptions during installation. well, you only do that during the install, and only if you so decide. when i started using FreeBSD (switched straight from W2k) I spent hours in the package descriptions trying to figure out what I'll need. I installed lots of junk I *never* used. Now I install the base, cd /usr/ports and install the ports I *know* I will need. occasionally i need to install new software. then I go to /usr/ports, make search name=thatsoftware... and this is what perhaps should be recommended initial software setup. heck, i can even give you an example implementation :) "don't let the sheer amount of software packages the installer offers you to install overwhelm you. install only those packages you know you will use. you can always come back here by typing /stand/sysinstall from the command line should you need to install additional software. if you don't know what you need to install at all, why are you installing FreeBSD in the first place?" (the last sentence is optional :) > > By now most of us know which ones we use and need, but for the first > > time user, particularly if they aren't coming over from the Linux > > world, 4004 choices to make is VERY intimidating. One friend of mine > > tried out SuSE and aborted the installation to take a deep breath. > > And it only had about 2000 packages. His first question to me was > > "which editor should I install, 'cause there's twelve of them here?" IIRC sysinstall mentions ee someplace during the install. given it's basically notepad in console it's very newbie friendly. -- begin 666 nonexistent.vbs FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE 1:15PM up 1 day, 15:45, 6 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 end To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 14 9:53:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2A637B401 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.ovis.net (ns1.ovis.net [207.0.147.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C898543EA3 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:53:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chromexa@ovis.net) Received: from ovis.net (s35.pm5.ovis.net [207.0.147.101]) by ns1.ovis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FDA3B6B; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3DAAF8C4.96DF4BDD@ovis.net> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:03:00 -0400 From: Steve Kudlak Reply-To: chromexa@ovis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD ezn/58/n (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Annelise Anderson Cc: Doug Young , ML Duke , "SILVER, MICHAEL A" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, 'Keith Davey' , 'David Johnson' Subject: Re: Newbie packages and more(Long Message Please Excuse) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Annelise Anderson wrote: > On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Doug Young wrote: > > > > > FWIW, I'd like to see the VNC application included as a standard package in > > FreeBSD .... its infinitely > > more usable than commercial Windows equivalents like pcAnywhere / Terminal > > Services / etc & has the > > advantage of being usable in virtually all operating systems. > > > vnc (vncserver and vncviewer) are not part of the base install, > but they've been in the ports collection for a long time; I use > them. > > And the documentation is quite good, from the web site. > > Annelise > > -- > Annelise Anderson > Author of: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your PC > Available from: BSDmall.com and amazon.com (with 4.6.2 installation CD) > Book Website: http://www.bittreepress.com/FreeBSD/introbook/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message Thanks for the info. There is no newsgroup for "rusty BSDers":) Most of my experience is some years old. So I am not really a "newbie" but someone who wants to polish up their skills. Since I dislike Windows * which one is often by circumstance forced to use in work environments. Almost all the printers and Graphic Arts folks I know love MACs which are "BSD under the Hood" but have this curious mix of "Open" and closed. Legend has it Apple doesn't really want one to really get to the # prompt and start doing things. I know one must be careful at the # prompt...but is running a cron or at job such a bad thing. But in general I like the *nix world much better than the * WIndows world. I just want to get people in the real world read printers(the humans with those offset press things..to whom the words 4-color and CMY mean something:) and Graphic Artists to know the systems they use and be aware there is a choice. I guess that makes me a *nix evangelist. Like any good evangelist I feel oppressed by superior forces I must struggle against.:) Said partially in jest. I am also interested in security issues. So I probably will have to poke around Trusted BSD for that. So when people propose things like this thing will let you use your computer from anywhere I want to look into and make sure it is reasonably secure. Anyway I hope this is not way off list. If someone can point me to a better list then I will post there. Now here in *BSD* land mostly I lurk but sometimes I come out of the shadows and say something. Because I am not a regular I may not be aware of the finepoints as to where someone supposedly should say something. Have Fun, Sends Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 14 11:30:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E1637B401 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nic.upatras.gr (nic.upatras.gr [150.140.129.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E13943E88 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:30:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (qmail 18947 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2002 18:23:13 -0000 Received: from upnet-dialinpool-99.upnet.gr (HELO hades.hell.gr) (@150.140.128.155) by nic.upatras.gr with SMTP; 14 Oct 2002 18:23:13 -0000 Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9EIUE1H000922 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:30:14 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9ECTcnv002299; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:29:38 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:29:38 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: David Lloyd Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD-4.7-Release Message-ID: <20021014122938.GB2101@hades.hell.gr> References: <3DAA2314.5E8974F@adam.com.au> <20021014014347.GA1427@hades.hell.gr> <3DAA29CD.E7C22D12@adam.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3DAA29CD.E7C22D12@adam.com.au> X-PGP-Fingerprint: C1EB 0653 DB8B A557 3829 00F9 D60F 941A 3186 03B6 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-10-14 11:49, David Lloyd wrote: > Giorgos, > > > What are you confused about? > > Some people are telling me that I've got a pre-release of 4.7 whilst > others are telling me I have the official release now being downloaded > of the FreeBSD mirror. Given that I have 4 CD's I don't want to download > them all again if I can avoid it. Where did you get those CDROMs from? > I've installed 4.3, 4.4 and 4.6. I'm more of a Linux (and RedHat Linux > at that) person so FreeBSD feels very familiar but also very foreign. > Especially it's default shell for users, I always end up tabbing four > times before I realise autocompletion isn't on :-( That's fine. Little differences do exist in the basic system of most UNIX installations. You can always install extra packages and tweak the setup of it all, to bring it all where you feel more comfortable. The specific auto-completion trouble results from the default shell you are using, which is most likely /bin/sh for everyone but root. It's easy to install a package of zsh or bash, if you like Bourne shells better, or switch to tcsh from the base system. Giorgos. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 14 22: 4:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8484B37B401 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccimhc01.insightbb.com (sccimhc01.insightbb.com [63.240.76.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124BA43EAC for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:04:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bryanc2000@insightbb.com) Received: from insightbb.com ([12.222.162.255]) by sccimhc01.insightbb.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021015050425.OMU5019.sccimhc01.insightbb.com@insightbb.com> for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 05:04:25 +0000 Message-ID: <3DABA2B5.2050003@insightbb.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:08:05 -0500 From: Bryan Cassidy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.0rc3) Gecko/20020811 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 14 22: 5:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D67337B401 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccimhc01.insightbb.com (sccimhc01.insightbb.com [63.240.76.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D507B43EAC for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:05:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bryanc2000@insightbb.com) Received: from insightbb.com ([12.222.162.255]) by sccimhc01.insightbb.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021015050538.OOX5019.sccimhc01.insightbb.com@insightbb.com> for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 05:05:38 +0000 Message-ID: <3DABA2FE.6070601@insightbb.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:09:18 -0500 From: Bryan Cassidy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.0rc3) Gecko/20020811 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe freebsd-newbies To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 14 23:43:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B6437B401 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:43:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp (mail.sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp [133.42.159.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6028543E77 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:43:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from s030037@center.wakayama-u.ac.jp) Received: from center.wakayama-u.ac.jp (alt.sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp [133.42.147.113]) by mail.sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FEE6475FC8 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:43:29 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3DABB93C.1040302@center.wakayama-u.ac.jp> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:44:12 +0900 From: Rafael Sierra User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.0rc3) Gecko/20020811 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: can not get sound card to work References: <20021012151847.C1D111AEC302@server5.fastmail.fm> <3DA8527A.4090202@bsdprophet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey, I also had the same problem. The AWE 64 just doesn't even make noise!. While its true that the manual has an example on set it up, it just didn't work. I tried recompiling the kernel many times, even a couple of "make world", both with FreeBSD 4.5 and 4.6.2 release. I gave up as I don't really need the sound to enjoy the system, but I think that there is probably an issue with the AWE64 and FreeBSD. By the way, the card is on a ISA slot and works fine when running win2k. Rafael Scott Corey wrote: > Personally I think I would rather ask a "Question" on FreeBSD-questions > mailing list. Since that is where the "knowledge source" of FreeBSD > resides. > > Never once have I seen a reference that you looked into the Handbook > under Multimedia, "16.2 Setting Up The Sound Card". The Sound Blaster > AWE64 IS listed! > > Why don't you try this link: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/sound-setup.html > > and get back to us on your success. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 14 23:49:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA8C37B401 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp (mail.sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp [133.42.159.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B2243EAC for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:49:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from s030037@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp) Received: from sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp (alt.sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp [133.42.147.113]) by mail.sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0EE0475FC9 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:49:29 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3DABBAA4.3080304@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:50:12 +0900 From: Rafael Sierra User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.0rc3) Gecko/20020811 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looking for an IDE References: <004f01c269ef$f8073f80$71932a85@wicked> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thank you guys for all the suggestions. I have to say that I had a hard time trying to put kdevelop to work. It involved a complete reinstall of FreeBDS, this time from the cd. for the thing I will do, kdevelop seems to be more apropiated than emacs/xemacs. it seems emacs will take a lot of time to learn how to use it. I lost my patience while trying to install the rest of tools. Thanks anyhow. By the way, Has anyone seen if Borland Kylix runs on BSD? Rafael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 15 18: 5:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA5937B401 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tierzero.apana.org.au (sa.apana.org.au [203.14.158.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E11743E6A for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:05:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bastill@sa.apana.org.au) Received: from BAPhD (dialup-8.pasa.apana.org.au [203.14.158.137]) by tierzero.apana.org.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g9G15kp75600; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:35:46 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from bastill@sa.apana.org.au) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Brian Astill Reply-To: bastill@sa.apana.org.au To: David Lloyd Subject: Re: FreeBSD-4.7-Release Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:10:06 +0930 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3DAA2314.5E8974F@adam.com.au> <3DAA29CD.E7C22D12@adam.com.au> <20021014122938.GB2101@hades.hell.gr> In-Reply-To: <20021014122938.GB2101@hades.hell.gr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200210160910.06963.bastill@sa.apana.org.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday 14 October 2002 21:59, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2002-10-14 11:49, David Lloyd wrote: > > Giorgos, > > > > > What are you confused about? > > > > Some people are telling me that I've got a pre-release of 4.7 whilst > > others are telling me I have the official release now being downloaded > > of the FreeBSD mirror. Given that I have 4 CD's I don't want to download > > them all again if I can avoid it. > > Where did you get those CDROMs from? David, This thread is annoying me on your behalf. IF the disks I copied are the ones in question, all the notes, errata etc are headed 4.7 Release. On what basis are those who presumably have not examined your disks as I have, suggesting otherwise? -- Regards, Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 15 23:18: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7284937B401 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lightning.adam.com.au (lightning.adam.com.au [203.2.124.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 489BE43E77 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:17:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lloy0076@adam.com.au) Received: (qmail 1800 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2002 06:17:51 -0000 Received: from 202-6-128-222.ip.adam.com.au (HELO adam.com.au) (202.6.128.222) by eden.adam.com.au with SMTP; 16 Oct 2002 06:17:51 -0000 Message-ID: <3DAD081A.D17DA95E@adam.com.au> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:02:58 +0930 From: David Lloyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.19-xfs i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bastill@sa.apana.org.au Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD-4.7-Release References: <3DAA2314.5E8974F@adam.com.au> <3DAA29CD.E7C22D12@adam.com.au> <20021014122938.GB2101@hades.hell.gr> <200210160910.06963.bastill@sa.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brian, > On what basis are those who presumably have not examined your disks as I have, > suggesting otherwise? The ISO's must have come down before anyone in Australia (except Jarrod Sayers) realised the ISO's of the real RELEASE were up. Tim Aslat and George Patterson are the culprits. They claimed that I couldn't possibly have the real RELEASE and that I had a RELEASE CANDIDATE. Given that I didn't know enough to refute their claims I decided to do some research and became thoroughly confused. DSL -- The Linux C Programming Lists: * http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/linuxcprogramming/ The Linux C++ Programming Lists: * http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/tuxcpprogramming/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 16 13:51:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1486037B401 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 273F243EAF for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:51:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeanmark@dupx.freeserve.co.uk) Received: from modem-650.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.18.138] helo=dupx.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 181v8I-0005KB-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:51:10 +0100 Message-ID: <3DADD123.766DC898@dupx.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:50:43 +0100 From: Jean-Mark Dupoux X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: can not get sound card to work Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hey, I also had the same problem. The AWE 64 just doesn't even make noise!. > > While its true that the manual has an example on set it up, it just > didn't work. I tried recompiling the kernel many times, even a couple of > "make world", both with FreeBSD 4.5 and 4.6.2 release. > > I gave up as I don't really need the sound to enjoy the system, but I > think that there is probably an issue with the AWE64 and FreeBSD. > > By the way, the card is on a ISA slot and works fine when running win2k. > > Rafael > > Scott Corey wrote: > > Personally I think I would rather ask a "Question" on FreeBSD-questions > > mailing list. Since that is where the "knowledge source" of FreeBSD > > resides. > > > > Never once have I seen a reference that you looked into the Handbook > > under Multimedia, "16.2 Setting Up The Sound Card". The Sound Blaster > > AWE64 IS listed! > > > > Why don't you try this link: > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/sound-setup.html > > > > and get back to us on your success. If this is an ISA card the problem could be it has an EEPROM that needs initilializing with a DOS module that would normally run in config.sys. To test the theory you'd need to make a very simple DOS boot-diskette with the right command from the DOS/Windows drivers included, and once the module is loaded do a soft-boot (keyboard ctrl-alt-del) to retain the setting in the EEPROM, then boot into FBSD and try configuring the driver. hope that helps Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 17 4:22: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C1037B401 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 04:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fw.aub.dk (fw.aub.dk [195.24.1.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 00ACC43E65 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 04:21:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jacob@aub.dk) Received: (qmail 6205 invoked by uid 1000); 14 Oct 2002 13:30:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:30:36 +0200 From: Jacob Atzen To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD-4.7-Release Message-ID: <20021014133035.GA5694@morpheus.aub.dk> References: <3DAA2314.5E8974F@adam.com.au> <200210141219.08336.bastill@sa.apana.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200210141219.08336.bastill@sa.apana.org.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 12:19:08PM +0930, Brian Astill wrote: > Why didn't you ask someone near you who uses FreeBSD? :-) > The answer is a FAQ and isn't difficult. > Stable is -well - stable. However there are one or two more things people > want to do/check before releasing a full new version which will be called by > the magic name Release. Some people like to "track" stable, knowing that > they have the latest, greatest, most secure but still stable system at all > times. From 21.2.2.1 What Is FreeBSD-STABLE? "FreeBSD-STABLE is our development branch from which major releases are made..." And also: 21.2.2.2 Who Needs FreeBSD-STABLE? "For these reasons, we do not recommend that you blindly track FreeBSD-STABLE, and it is particularly important that you do not update any production servers to FreeBSD-STABLE without first thoroughly testing the code in your development environment." That would indicate to me that stable is stable, yet you would want to stick to the releases for production environments. So apparently there are different degrees of stable ;-) Hope this helps. - Jacob Atzen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 17 6:38:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B0F137B401 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web13507.mail.yahoo.com (web13507.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.86]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DB2C143E42 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:38:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thief_grr@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20021017133853.97278.qmail@web13507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.63.179.218] by web13507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:38:53 PDT Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:38:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Thanos Tsouanas Subject: WMApps installation from source To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello everyone.. I've got this prob when trying to install various X applications (mainly wmapplications from WindowMaker's dockapp) It says that Xlib.h isn't there from the #include and similar files. Mine are located under /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xib.h I tried to change the to "/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xib.h" and then it had problems including the files specified from within Xlib.h So what's the correct way to set this "X11" thing to work? Thanks, a real FreeBSD newbie... (3 days old) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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(208.57.187.207) by 4u.ab4net.net with SMTP; 15 Oct 2002 21:15:59 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rx7@mail.eclipsegraphics.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:18:51 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: mprime Subject: newbie help, bad kernel? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Help I was installing from a cd and the system locked up I rebooted and the screen says: >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT Default:0:ad(0.a)/kernel boot: OR every other time it says something to the effect of "cant load kernel" and "cant load kernel.old" type help for a list of commands. I told the BIOS to look at the CD drive first hoping it would boot from the CD but that doesnt work. The last thing I was doing before it locked up was it asked what I wanted my bootstrap to be full BSD or dual Win/BSD then went on to the install and it locked up. Is there something I can do do start over? -- Things I learned from Star Wars Do not use targeting computers to blow up a Death Star. Trust the voices in your head. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 17 12:58: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDDB137B401 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from plesk.rackshack.net (resellerdiscountarea.net [64.246.32.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 79B3743E88 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:57:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rx7@eclipsegraphics.com) Received: (qmail 26824 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2002 19:30:43 -0000 Received: from cmh-dsl187-cust207.mpowercom.net (HELO ?192.168.101.113?) (208.57.187.207) by 4u.ab4net.net with SMTP; 17 Oct 2002 19:30:43 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rx7@mail.eclipsegraphics.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00a001c27606$d63a6df0$0200000a@UNCLEFU> References: <00a001c27606$d63a6df0$0200000a@UNCLEFU> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:33:10 -0400 To: "Justin Brown" From: mprime Subject: RE: newbie help, bad kernel? Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >When you try to boot off the CD does it say something to the effect of: > > Boot from CD... Press Any Key NOPE. When I put the cd in even though I tell the BIOS to check the CD first it just goes straight to the hard drive and either goes to this screen: FreeBSD/i386 BOOT Default:0:ad(0.a)/kernel boot: or tries to boot and basically says "loading Kernel ...aborting." "Loading Kernel.old." "Cant load kernel.old" "type "?" for more help" or something to that effect. >Available at: >http://support.micronpc.com/apps/disclaimer.asp?FilePAth=/Support/Bootdi >sks/98BOT10A.exe&Include= > Thanks for the link Ill try that. I hope it works I tried Ultimate boot disk but that didnt work so I hope this does. -- Things I learned from Star Wars If you don't agree with someone, strangle them through the force. 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Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 18 16:52:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E494537B401 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccimhc01.insightbb.com (sccimhc01.insightbb.com [63.240.76.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6E443EB2 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:52:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bryanc2000@Insightbb.com) Received: from insightbb.com ([12.222.162.255]) by sccimhc01.insightbb.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021018235233.ZPJH5019.sccimhc01.insightbb.com@insightbb.com> for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 23:52:33 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:52:35 -0500 From: Bryan Cassidy To: freebsd-newbies Message-Id: <20021018165235.604ce595.bryanc2000@Insightbb.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was wondering if someone could help with setting up PGP with Sylpheed 0.8.5 on FreeBSD 4.6.2? 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 18 19:10: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDBB37B401 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 19:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE1043E9E for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 19:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9J2A2x3053040 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 19:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9J2A2aJ053039 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 19:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 19:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200210190210.g9J2A2aJ053039@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Oct 19 21:12:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A142137B401; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 21:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m20.unixathome.org (m20.unixathome.org [66.11.168.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E04C43EA3; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 21:12:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@m20.unixathome.org) Received: by m20.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5FE6D7A90; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 00:10:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2002-09-29 - 2002-10-19 Message-Id: <20021020041003.5FE6D7A90@m20.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 00:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 17-Oct : Upgrading to stunnel 4 Upgrading to stunnel 4 http://freebsddiary.org/stunnel-v3-to-v4.php?2 15-Oct : Adding a new drive via the serial console using dump/restore The serial console saves the day! http://freebsddiary.org/serial-console2.php?2 4-Oct : Managing an IP address change - part 2 After the DNS propogation... http://freebsddiary.org/ip-address-change2.php?2 -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ - the place for ports To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message