From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Mar 18 17: 7: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rpi.edu (mail.rpi.edu [128.113.22.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33AE37B404; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:07:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2J16vC8123432; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:06:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200203182356.g2INu4r80682@freefall.freebsd.org> <20020319000224.GA22582@electricjellyfish.net> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:06:55 -0500 To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: send-pr categories & FreeBSD/powerpc or -ppc Cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, Benno Rice Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.3 (www dot roaringpenguin dot com slash mimedefang) Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 1:20 AM +0100 3/19/02, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: >Garrett Rooney writes: > > the powerpc port has a mailing list > > (freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org) > >Ah, I was looking for "freebsd-powerpc" since the >platform is actually called powerpc. I think it >is a bad idea to use two different names for it; >we should either rename the mailing list to >freebsd-powerpc or rename sys/powerpc to sys/ppc. I think des makes a good observation here, assuming the port is currently called 'powerpc'. It would probably make sense to change the name of the mailing list. What do other people think? (note that I'm copying this to the freebsd-ppc mailing list... :-) The following came in just when I was going to hit the "send" button: At 11:11 AM +1030 3/19/02, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >On Tuesday, 19 March 2002 at 12:29:02 +1200, Benno Rice wrote: > > I'd prefer to change the mailing list name if anything. > >And I was going to say the opposite. FWIW, it's called >ppc in the Linux source tree. And since IBM persists in >calling some of the processors POWER, powerpc isn't that >accurate either. If "powerpc" isn't accurate, then how can "ppc" be? :-) However, to follow up, it seems that NetBSD has a few different 'ppc' platforms, with 'macppc' looking like it is the busiest. OpenBSD also has a 'macppc' port. I guess that brings up the question of how we see our port. Is it specific to "mac powerPC" machines? Or are we expecting the same port to work for other powerPC/POWER machines? (How about those POWER-4 machines that IBM talks about? :-) Either a powerpc name or some ppc name will be fine with me, but it does make sense that the mailing-list name should match the port-name. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Mar 18 18:50:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C0537B402; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:49:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g2J2nllv018226; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:49:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g2J2mW5J018223; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:48:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:48:32 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Garance A Drosihn Cc: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, Benno Rice Subject: Re: send-pr categories & FreeBSD/powerpc or -ppc Message-ID: <20020318184832.A18154@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200203182356.g2INu4r80682@freefall.freebsd.org> <20020319000224.GA22582@electricjellyfish.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from drosih@rpi.edu on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 08:06:55PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 08:06:55PM -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > >And I was going to say the opposite. FWIW, it's called > >ppc in the Linux source tree. And since IBM persists in PPC is our Parallel Port Chipset driver. Calling the platform 'ppc' will make one hell of an ambiguity mess. There is nothing wrong with the platform being called 'powerpc'. Send a request to Postmaster to create a freebsd-powerpc aliases, or rename the mailing list and put in a freebsd-ppc alias; and please go find something real to complain about. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Mar 18 18:53:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2845937B402 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:53:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g2J2rklv018280; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:53:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g2J2qVYr018243; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:52:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:52:31 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Garance A Drosihn Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: send-pr categories & FreeBSD/powerpc or -ppc Message-ID: <20020318185231.B18154@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200203182356.g2INu4r80682@freefall.freebsd.org> <20020319000224.GA22582@electricjellyfish.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from drosih@rpi.edu on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 08:06:55PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 08:06:55PM -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > However, to follow up, it seems that NetBSD has a few > different 'ppc' platforms, with 'macppc' looking like > it is the busiest. OpenBSD also has a 'macppc' port. > I guess that brings up the question of how we see our > port. Is it specific to "mac powerPC" machines? Or > are we expecting the same port to work for other > powerPC/POWER machines? (How about those POWER-4 > machines that IBM talks about? :-) I thought this has been hashed out several times before. This platform, for now, is envisioned as a TOOLBOX of bits for those wanting to use FreeBSD in embedded PowerPC applications. We are not "port to the toaster" NetBSD. We cannot sustain FreeBSD on every popular piece of PowerPC hardware. The Mac was picked as the reference platform. There are others that have goals beyond this; but the goal I stated is the one that has the support of the Core team I have talked to. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Mar 18 20:57:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168BA37B402 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:57:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mac.com ([12.231.115.57]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020319045750.LVVN2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@mac.com> for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 04:57:50 +0000 Message-ID: <3C96C548.5040104@mac.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:57:44 -0800 From: paul beard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; NetBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020209 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: PPC release as part of 5.0?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think I read somewhere on the list archives that the PowerPC port would be part of 5.0: I don't see it mentioned here (http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.0R/schedule.html). Can anyone clarify? And please add me to the list of enthusiasts for FreeBSD on the PowerPC. Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Mar 18 21:51:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.jeamland.net (rafe.jeamland.net [203.18.243.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9481D37B404 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:51:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.9.176] (rtr1.snc.schools.net.au [203.2.135.22]) by mail.jeamland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D74B70601; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:51:07 +1100 (EST) Subject: Re: PPC release as part of 5.0?? From: Benno Rice To: paul beard Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3C96C548.5040104@mac.com> References: <3C96C548.5040104@mac.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Zt/5KXcr23UsgSaHCW0D" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 19 Mar 2002 17:51:05 +1200 Message-Id: <1016517067.359.9.camel@ratchet.jeamland.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --=-Zt/5KXcr23UsgSaHCW0D Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 16:57, paul beard wrote: > I think I read somewhere on the list archives that the PowerPC=20 > port would be part of 5.0: I don't see it mentioned here=20 > (http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.0R/schedule.html). >=20 > Can anyone clarify? And please add me to the list of enthusiasts=20 > for FreeBSD on the PowerPC. Thanks. It depends on how far we've progressed. I'm hoping to have it to at least single-user by 5.0 so it may appear at some point in the 5.0 lifecycle or it may wait until 6.0. It depends on how the development goes. The current status is that it makes it to attempting to start /sbin/init. --=20 Benno Rice benno@jeamland.net --=-Zt/5KXcr23UsgSaHCW0D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEABECAAYFAjyW0ckACgkQXjRwWofFmQmrMACfaIvmi7iqzzHIeTaoPJUWUqfj kmcAn3BwWHXdlfv2r1Hlv76xAq0XkZpM =Hq0U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Zt/5KXcr23UsgSaHCW0D-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Tue Mar 19 0:10:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [207.154.84.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B4D437B400 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:10:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 47160 invoked by uid 1001); 19 Mar 2002 08:10:21 -0000 Date: 19 Mar 2002 00:10:21 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:10:21 -0800 From: Bill Swingle To: Benno Rice Cc: ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PPC release as part of 5.0?? Message-ID: <20020319081021.GA46751@dub.net> References: <3C96C548.5040104@mac.com> <1016517067.359.9.camel@ratchet.jeamland.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1016517067.359.9.camel@ratchet.jeamland.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD toxic.magnesium.net 4.5-STABLE FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 05:51:05PM +1200, Benno Rice wrote: > It depends on how far we've progressed. I'm hoping to have it to at > least single-user by 5.0 so it may appear at some point in the 5.0 > lifecycle or it may wait until 6.0. It depends on how the development > goes. >=20 > The current status is that it makes it to attempting to start > /sbin/init. Is there anything that the average joe user can do to help out at the moment? I'm in no shape to actually be hacking on -ppc but have a few powerbooks at my disposal that I could do other stuff on. -Bill --=20 -=3D| Bill Swingle - -=3D| Every message PGP signed -=3D| Fingerprint: C1E3 49D1 EFC9 3EE0 EA6E 6414 5200 1C95 8E09 0223 -=3D| "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers" Pablo Picasso= =20 --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8lvJtUgAclY4JAiMRAvJuAKCNzAwMtYQnwnUirvndvW+p6AfrWQCgvR+a ln9eTAJ7lA4H+K81XSZSeM4= =ZTtA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Tue Mar 19 2:52:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.jeamland.net (rafe.jeamland.net [203.18.243.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F0337B48F for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 02:51:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.9.176] (rtr1.snc.schools.net.au [203.2.135.22]) by mail.jeamland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A977060A; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:51:45 +1100 (EST) Subject: Re: PPC release as part of 5.0?? From: Benno Rice To: Bill Swingle Cc: ppc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20020319081021.GA46751@dub.net> References: <3C96C548.5040104@mac.com> <1016517067.359.9.camel@ratchet.jeamland.net> <20020319081021.GA46751@dub.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-xUTWuHUEWyCZ4VqNBgv/" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 19 Mar 2002 22:51:44 +1200 Message-Id: <1016535105.710.1.camel@ratchet.jeamland.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --=-xUTWuHUEWyCZ4VqNBgv/ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 20:10, Bill Swingle wrote: > On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 05:51:05PM +1200, Benno Rice wrote: > > It depends on how far we've progressed. I'm hoping to have it to at > > least single-user by 5.0 so it may appear at some point in the 5.0 > > lifecycle or it may wait until 6.0. It depends on how the development > > goes. > >=20 > > The current status is that it makes it to attempting to start > > /sbin/init. >=20 > Is there anything that the average joe user can do to help out at the > moment? I'm in no shape to actually be hacking on -ppc but have a few > powerbooks at my disposal that I could do other stuff on. Not unless you want to get deep into the kernel guts. =3D) Once we hit a reliable single user things start to get more interesting. That's when userland work's needed. At the moment though it's all kernel. Later on it'll be good to have people test the stuff on hardware I don't have, or for them to make that hardware available to me in some form so I can make sure it runs on there. For the moment though what I need is more time to work on this. =3D/ --=20 Benno Rice benno@jeamland.net --=-xUTWuHUEWyCZ4VqNBgv/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEABECAAYFAjyXGEAACgkQXjRwWofFmQlrmwCfVk4WQp/GfsAEDIHm8ucEcNKJ zIQAn1dMOWGnWWDImy5sv3mdtUxQJd0i =nECI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-xUTWuHUEWyCZ4VqNBgv/-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Tue Mar 19 8:27: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [207.154.84.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2390037B402 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:27:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 46516 invoked by uid 1001); 19 Mar 2002 16:27:03 -0000 Date: 19 Mar 2002 08:27:03 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:27:03 -0800 From: Bill Swingle To: Benno Rice Cc: ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PPC release as part of 5.0?? Message-ID: <20020319162703.GA45177@dub.net> References: <3C96C548.5040104@mac.com> <1016517067.359.9.camel@ratchet.jeamland.net> <20020319081021.GA46751@dub.net> <1016535105.710.1.camel@ratchet.jeamland.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1016535105.710.1.camel@ratchet.jeamland.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD toxic.magnesium.net 4.5-STABLE FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 10:51:44PM +1200, Benno Rice wrote: > On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 20:10, Bill Swingle wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 05:51:05PM +1200, Benno Rice wrote: > > > It depends on how far we've progressed. I'm hoping to have it to at > > > least single-user by 5.0 so it may appear at some point in the 5.0 > > > lifecycle or it may wait until 6.0. It depends on how the development > > > goes. > > >=20 > > > The current status is that it makes it to attempting to start > > > /sbin/init. > >=20 > > Is there anything that the average joe user can do to help out at the > > moment? I'm in no shape to actually be hacking on -ppc but have a few > > powerbooks at my disposal that I could do other stuff on. >=20 > Not unless you want to get deep into the kernel guts. =3D) I'd like to but I think my time constrants make it impossible to spend the time I'd need to get a basic understanding on what needs to be done. (i.e. we'd all like to be kernel hackers... :) ) > Once we hit a reliable single user things start to get more > interesting. That's when userland work's needed. >=20 > At the moment though it's all kernel. >=20 > Later on it'll be good to have people test the stuff on hardware I don't > have, or for them to make that hardware available to me in some form so > I can make sure it runs on there. For the moment though what I need is > more time to work on this. =3D/ Ok, well I'll leave you alone. :) Would it help to update the platforms/ppc.html page on the site to give people an idea of how much work there is to do so that they'll stop asking when they can install it? :) -Bill --=20 -=3D| Bill Swingle - -=3D| Every message PGP signed -=3D| Fingerprint: C1E3 49D1 EFC9 3EE0 EA6E 6414 5200 1C95 8E09 0223 -=3D| "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers" Pablo Picasso= =20 --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8l2bXUgAclY4JAiMRAiktAKCXtkYa2vb/ak2uBmF8lhcmFo875QCeKRjH L31FJT87CX5Y2KrdjzfpQu4= =pBdM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Tue Mar 19 13:56:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from post2.inre.asu.edu (post2.inre.asu.edu [129.219.110.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7361137B43A; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:55:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion.post2.inre.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V6.1 #40111) id <0GT800M01Q299T@asu.edu>; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:51:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.asu.edu (smtp.asu.edu [129.219.110.107]) by asu.edu (PMDF V6.1 #40111) with ESMTP id <0GT800L56Q29QL@asu.edu>; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:51:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost ([129.219.154.169]) by smtp.asu.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0/asu_smtp_relay,nullclient,tcp_wrapped) with ESMTP id g2JLpjN26103; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:51:45 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:55:37 -0700 From: James Sarrett Subject: Re: send-pr categories & FreeBSD/powerpc or -ppc In-reply-to: <20020318185231.B18154@dragon.nuxi.com> To: obrien@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <0BB6F3D3-3B84-11D6-87B5-003065FB9A8C@asu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, March 18, 2002, at 07:52 PM, David O'Brien wrote: > On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 08:06:55PM -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote: >> However, to follow up, it seems that NetBSD has a few >> different 'ppc' platforms, with 'macppc' looking like >> it is the busiest. OpenBSD also has a 'macppc' port. >> I guess that brings up the question of how we see our >> port. Is it specific to "mac powerPC" machines? Or >> are we expecting the same port to work for other >> powerPC/POWER machines? (How about those POWER-4 >> machines that IBM talks about? :-) > fwiw, a afaik, the POWER4 and other POWER chips aren't PPC chips, they have a different architecture, which is similar, but doesn't include all the idiosyncracies that mother motor imposed on the original PPC spec. OS/400, and OS/390 will run on POWER chips as well as PPC chips, but i don't think OS/390 wil run on PPC chips, although AIX has binary compat... -James (if i'm wrong it won't be the first time, and i should hope not the last.) > > I thought this has been hashed out several times before. > This platform, for now, is envisioned as a TOOLBOX of bits for those > wanting to use FreeBSD in embedded PowerPC applications. We are not > "port to the toaster" NetBSD. We cannot sustain FreeBSD on every > popular piece of PowerPC hardware. The Mac was picked as the reference > platform. There are others that have goals beyond this; but the goal I > stated is the one that has the support of the Core team I have talked > to. > > -- > -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Tue Mar 19 14: 9:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from igw3.watson.ibm.com (igw3.watson.ibm.com [198.81.209.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0EB737B446; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:09:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from sp1n293en1.watson.ibm.com (sp1n293en1.watson.ibm.com [9.2.112.57]) by igw3.watson.ibm.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g2JM9MG16830; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:09:22 -0500 Received: from makai.watson.ibm.com (makai.watson.ibm.com [9.2.216.144]) by sp1n293en1.watson.ibm.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g2JM9MO09336; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:09:22 -0500 Received: from watson.ibm.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by makai.watson.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3/01-10-2000) with ESMTP id RAA25870; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:09:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200203192209.RAA25870@makai.watson.ibm.com> To: James Sarrett Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: send-pr categories & FreeBSD/powerpc or -ppc In-Reply-To: Message from James Sarrett of "Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:55:37 MST." <0BB6F3D3-3B84-11D6-87B5-003065FB9A8C@asu.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:09:22 -0500 From: David Edelsohn Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> James Sarrett writes: James> fwiw, a afaik, the POWER4 and other POWER chips aren't PPC chips, they James> have a different architecture, which is similar, but doesn't include all James> the idiosyncracies that mother motor imposed on the original PPC spec. James> OS/400, and OS/390 will run on POWER chips as well as PPC chips, but i James> don't think OS/390 wil run on PPC chips, although AIX has binary James> compat... James> (if i'm wrong it won't be the first time, and i should hope not the James> last.) Sorry, you're wrong. :-) z/OS (aka OS/390) does not run on POWER or PowerPC. OS/400 does run on the PowerPC/AS architecture variant and its derivatives, including the RS64 and Power4 chips. RS64, Power3 and Power4 are PowerPC chips. The chips are 64-bit and require a kernel which understand the 64-bit PowerPC architecture (the kernel does not need to run in 64-bit mode), but otherwise are standard PowerPC. 32-bit PowerPC Linux kernels run on those processors with a few VM tweaks. Power4 does not provide 64-bit PowerPC bridge mode, which means that BATs are not present and one cannot use the bridge mode segment register instructions. The kernel needs to operate on 64-bit PTEs, but that is defined in the original, complete 64-bit PowerPC architecture. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Tue Mar 19 15:22: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from nalle.netsonic.fi (netsonic.fi [194.29.192.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAFC837B402 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:21:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from voodoo (tuubi86.adsl.netsonic.fi [194.29.196.86]) by nalle.netsonic.fi (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JNLvg22103 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:21:57 +0200 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:25:59 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: subscribe From: Sebastian S To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Wed Mar 20 10:15:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B218737B417; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:15:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1192) id 87868AE24F; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:15:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:15:23 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein To: powerpc@freebsd.org, ia64@freebsd.org Subject: (forw) per-arch __P removal done, please test review. Message-ID: <20020320181523.GH455@elvis.mu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Forwarded message from Alfred Perlstein ----- From: Alfred Perlstein To: arch@freebsd.org Cc: alpha@freebsd.org, sparc64@freebsd.org, powerpc@freebsd.org, ia64@freebsd.org Subject: per-arch __P removal done, please test review. Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:14:07 -0800 Message-ID: <20020320181407.GF455@elvis.mu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i I've taken the time to do the grunt work of __P removal for several arches, please take the time to test and let me know if I can commit the deltas: http://www.mu.org/~bright/__P/ I've got alpha, sparc64, powerpc and ia64 done. thanks, -- -Alfred Perlstein [alfred@freebsd.org] 'Instead of asking why a piece of software is using "1970s technology," start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom.' Tax deductible donations for FreeBSD: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- -Alfred Perlstein [alfred@freebsd.org] 'Instead of asking why a piece of software is using "1970s technology," start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom.' Tax deductible donations for FreeBSD: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Wed Mar 20 13: 5:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from faubourg.fr.clara.net (stm-64-intern-gw.router.fr.clara.net [212.43.193.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B7937B400 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:05:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by faubourg.fr.clara.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B527787A3C for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:05:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from fr.clara.net (unknown [10.0.3.62]) by faubourg.fr.clara.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D3F87A3A for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:05:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3C98F8CE.2030608@fr.clara.net> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:02:06 +0100 From: cedric pouydebat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Subject: nouveau sur la liste Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bonjour à tous Je suis un habitué de frebsdquestions , mais tout nouveau sur cette liste . J'ai un serveur freebsd chez moi avec pas mal de mac en reseau autour , et ça fonctionne sacrement bien , mais voilà comme tout bon curieux un peu derangé , je me demande si , aux vues des net et openbsd que je ne connais pas du tout, il n'existerait notre somptueuse Freebsd version PPC .. Si vous pouvez m'informer de l'avancement du projet , ou des experiences de chacun .. Merci et bonsoir à tous Cedric Pouydebat To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Thu Mar 21 4:21: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from math.teaser.net (math.teaser.net [213.91.2.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DAC937B404 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 04:20:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com (nantes.kisoft-services.com [193.56.60.243]) by math.teaser.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09CC06C80C; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:20:58 +0100 (CET) Received: by notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 16DA8E6BA0; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:20:29 +0100 (CET) To: cedric pouydebat Cc: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: nouveau sur la liste References: <3C98F8CE.2030608@fr.clara.net> From: Eric Masson In-Reply-To: <3C98F8CE.2030608@fr.clara.net> (cedric pouydebat's message of "Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:02:06 +0100") X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE i386 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:20:26 +0100 Message-ID: <861yeexgc5.fsf@notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com> Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley, i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "cedric" == cedric pouydebat writes: [Response in french, sorry] cedric> il n'existerait notre somptueuse Freebsd version PPC .. Si vous cedric> pouvez m'informer de l'avancement du projet , Le port ppc de FreeBSD devrait bientôt atteindre le boot single-user, ce qui signifie qu'il n'est absolument pas utilisable pour quelqu'un d'autre qu'un développeur noyau. La langue utilisée sur cette liste est l'anglais. Eric Masson -- en plus quand je vois le nombre de message sur ce groupe je me pose la question pour quoi Floriano veux détruire le ng il est aussi con le ceux qui ont voter pour la destruction ! -+- L in GNU - Hors-sujet ? C'est pas le sujet ! -+- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message