From owner-freebsd-ppc Sun Jul 21 11:27:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E7937B406 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 11:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail5.ksc.th.com (mail5.ksc.th.com [203.155.0.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC1E43E7B for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 11:27:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from easytoberich01@yahoo.com) Received: from ksc.th.com ([203.107.241.168]) by mail5.ksc.th.com (8.12.1/8.12.0) with SMTP id g6LILZXK010927 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 01:27:45 +0700 Message-Id: <200207211827.g6LILZXK010927@mail5.ksc.th.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 01:29:46 To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org From: easytoberich01@yahoo.com (chancetoberich) Subject: สำหรับผู้ที่ต้องการโอกาสในการเปลี่ยนแปลงชีวิต Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG !!!!! 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I think I have an idea why init was dying. Your image worked perfectly (well, for what it contained, it did.) I found this out while searching: %file init init: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, PowerPC or cisco 4500, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, not stripped %file /mnt/sbin/init /mnt/sbin/init: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, PowerPC or cisco 4500, version 1 (FreeBSD), statically linked, not stripped Yours is the second one, the one that works, the one that says "FreeBSD" as opposed to "SYSV." I followed your instructions for the binutils/gcc, with gcc 3.1 source, except for the names. Even with the port from the Oct 18 email (gcc 2.95), I get the same results. I am using a very recent compile of 5.0-CURRENT (< 7 days). Any assistance would be greatly appreciated, and I am sorry for the previous false-error. Thanks in advance, Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Sun Jul 21 15:14:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C9737B400 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gt3.OntheNet.com.au (nt.com.au [203.13.70.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8480D43E31 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:14:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peterg@ptree32.com.au) Received: from ptree32.com.au (CPE-203-45-246-228.qld.bigpond.net.au [203.45.246.228]) by gt3.OntheNet.com.au (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g6LMH0b52637 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:17:01 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3D3B3664.29A1CC64@ptree32.com.au> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:32:04 +1000 From: Peter Grehan Organization: Ptree32 Pty Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: init error 6 (update) References: <1027283443.3d3b19f3c0ee3@www.wantpackets.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Andy, > %file init > init: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, PowerPC or cisco 4500, version 1 (SYSV), > statically linked, not stripped > > %file /mnt/sbin/init > /mnt/sbin/init: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, PowerPC or cisco 4500, version 1 > (FreeBSD), statically linked, not stripped > > Yours is the second one, the one that works, the one that says "FreeBSD" as > opposed to "SYSV." I followed your instructions for the binutils/gcc, with > gcc 3.1 source, except for the names. Even with the port from the Oct 18 > email (gcc 2.95), I get the same results. > > I am using a very recent compile of 5.0-CURRENT (< 7 days). I should have mentioned: for user-space code, I do a full cross-build in the source tree with TARGET_ARCH=powerpc. There's still a lot of workarounds in place for this, but it's sufficient to get the binaries that I want to build. I've been using the binutils/gcc off the net for kernel development, where the ABI tag doesn't matter. I'm not sure why the linker isn't jamming in the correct tag when it has been config'd for freebsd. > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated, and I am sorry > for the previous false-error. You can modify your executables with 'brandelf -t FreeBSD', which should fix things up. later, Peter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Jul 22 9:52:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D58837B400 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post2.inre.asu.edu (post2.inre.asu.edu [129.219.110.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B684F43E4A for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:52:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from James.Sarrett@asu.edu) Received: from conversion.post2.inre.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V6.1 #40111) id <0GZN00A01THTT7@asu.edu> for Freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:51:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail1.asu.edu (webmail1.asu.edu [129.219.117.230]) by asu.edu (PMDF V6.1 #40111) with ESMTP id <0GZN008M8THTUX@asu.edu>; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:51:29 -0700 (MST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail1.asu.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g6MGpSs10639; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:51:28 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:51:28 -0700 (MST) From: James.Sarrett@asu.edu Subject: Re: Question? In-reply-to: <200207201429.39103.justin@shiningsilence.com> X-Originating-IP: 129.219.151.91 To: justin@shiningsilence.com Cc: Freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Message-id: <1027356688.3d3c381051d31@webmail.asu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.3 References: <001201c22ff9$78e8a570$459691c8@alguma> <200207201429.39103.justin@shiningsilence.com> X-Authentication-warning: webmail1.asu.edu: nobody set sender to jsarret@imap1.asu.edu using -f Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think the 43p might work (it's supported by linuxppc which has similar hardware requirements), but you'll have to try it for yourself, and compile in support for your H/W. which may or may not be ppc kernel compatible. -James Quoting "Justin C. Sherrill" : > On Saturday 20 July 2002 10:26, Tiburcio(ns) wrote: > > I have a rs 6000 series 250 / 43p / 410 > > and a PowerServer 570. > > I'd like to know if it's possible to install the FreeBSD in those > machines? > > I don't know for sure, but I don't think either of those machines are > architectures currently supported by FreeBSD; right now your best bet is > a > x86 or Alpha-processor based machine. (This mailing list is for > discussion > of a port to PowerPC processors, which is not yet usable.) > > From the FAQ: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859- 1/books/faq/hardware.html#ARCHITECTURES > > If you need a BSD-style Unix for those computers immediately, I'd > suggest > looking at http://www.netbsd.org/ . > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Jul 22 16: 7:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7722437B436 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wantpackets.com (wantpackets.com [208.8.54.110]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB90743E31 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:07:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andy@wantpackets.com) Received: from wantpackets.com (www@wantpackets.com [208.8.54.110]) by wantpackets.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g6MNASa6022388 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:10:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from andy@wantpackets.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by wantpackets.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g6MNAR0K022387 for freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:10:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from andy@wantpackets.com) From: Andy X-Authentication-Warning: wantpackets.com: www set sender to andy@localhost using -f To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Peter G's PPC.ISO Message-ID: <1027379427.3d3c90e321c4c@www.wantpackets.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:10:27 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.7 X-Originating-IP: 216.65.176.193 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello Peter G, I was quite happy to see the output from your PPC.ISO's init. Did you use printf or some other magic to do so? I put a few printf's in my init.c, and although calling vsyslog through warning gave some output, printf does not. I am wondering if you have some patch you have not mentioned. Your other patch's README file did mention some things might be missing. Thank you for your kind assistance. -Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Jul 22 16:12:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F31237B400 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gt3.OntheNet.com.au (nt.com.au [203.13.70.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A8C43E6A for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:12:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peterg@ptree32.com.au) Received: from ptree32.com.au (CPE-203-45-246-228.qld.bigpond.net.au [203.45.246.228]) by gt3.OntheNet.com.au (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g6MNEgb07233 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:14:42 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3D3C9568.87D9FBEE@ptree32.com.au> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:29:44 +1000 From: Peter Grehan Organization: Ptree32 Pty Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Peter G's PPC.ISO References: <1027379427.3d3c90e321c4c@www.wantpackets.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Andy, > I was quite happy to see the output from your PPC.ISO's init. > Did you use printf or some other magic to do so? I put a few > printf's in my init.c, and although calling vsyslog through > warning gave some output, printf does not. > I am wondering if you have some patch you have not mentioned. No patches are needed - the debug code was doing write()'s to /dev/console. later, Peter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Jul 22 16:44: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B2F37B400 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:44:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web40302.mail.yahoo.com (web40302.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 655DE43E42 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:44:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejchameroy@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20020722234359.95127.qmail@web40302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.0.198.196] by web40302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:43:59 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:43:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Chameroy To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Jul 22 17: 1:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795FA37B400 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gt3.OntheNet.com.au (nt.com.au [203.13.70.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D40343E65 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:01:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peterg@ptree32.com.au) Received: from ptree32.com.au (CPE-203-45-246-228.qld.bigpond.net.au [203.45.246.228]) by gt3.OntheNet.com.au (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g6N04Ib08549 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:04:18 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3D3CA108.5CCABC4E@ptree32.com.au> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:19:20 +1000 From: Peter Grehan Organization: Ptree32 Pty Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: psim non-blocking i/o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had mentioned previously that psim does blocking i/o by default, which stalls the system when the polling ofw console driver does a read. Psim can do non-blocking i/o if it's built with the right options. - pass the '--enable-sim-stdio=no' option on the configure command line - in the device tree, insert the line /openprom/options/use-stdio? false *after* the '/#address-cells 1', if it's present. later, Peter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Tue Jul 23 23:11:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F8037B400 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B246143E5E for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:11:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g6O6Beoi030805; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:11:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6O6BcmL030804; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:11:38 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Peter Grehan Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: psim non-blocking i/o Message-ID: <20020724061137.GA30771@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <3D3CA108.5CCABC4E@ptree32.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D3CA108.5CCABC4E@ptree32.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 10:19:20AM +1000, Peter Grehan wrote: > I had mentioned previously that psim does blocking i/o by default, which > stalls the system when the polling ofw console driver does a read. > > Psim can do non-blocking i/o if it's built with the right options. > > - pass the '--enable-sim-stdio=no' option on the configure command line > > - in the device tree, insert the line > > /openprom/options/use-stdio? false > > *after* the '/#address-cells 1', if it's present. Someone send me a patch to the psim-freebsd port and I'll test and commit. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Tue Jul 23 23:19:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2637437B400 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F9643E31 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:19:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g6O6Ixoi030860; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:18:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6O6IxMQ030859; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:18:59 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Peter Grehan Cc: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: init error 6 (update) Message-ID: <20020724061859.GB30771@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <1027283443.3d3b19f3c0ee3@www.wantpackets.com> <3D3B3664.29A1CC64@ptree32.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D3B3664.29A1CC64@ptree32.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 08:32:04AM +1000, Peter Grehan wrote: > I've been using the binutils/gcc off the net for kernel development, where > the ABI tag doesn't matter. I'm not sure why the linker isn't jamming in > the correct tag when it has been config'd for freebsd. Because the code to do this is not in the stock GNU sources. Why aren't you able to use the toolchain in /usr/src? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Wed Jul 24 0:33:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB1937B400; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gt3.OntheNet.com.au (nt.com.au [203.13.70.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E1843E42; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:33:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peterg@ptree32.com.au) Received: from ptree32.com.au (CPE-203-45-246-228.qld.bigpond.net.au [203.45.246.228]) by gt3.OntheNet.com.au (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g6O7a6b13425; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:36:07 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3D3E5C6B.DB7FD051@ptree32.com.au> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:51:07 +1000 From: Peter Grehan Organization: Ptree32 Pty Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: init error 6 (update) References: <1027283443.3d3b19f3c0ee3@www.wantpackets.com> <3D3B3664.29A1CC64@ptree32.com.au> <20020724061859.GB30771@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Because the code to do this is not in the stock GNU sources. Why aren't > you able to use the toolchain in /usr/src? I do for user-space, but it was a lot more convenient for me to continue kernel dev the way I'd done it before the 3.1 cutover. later, Peter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Wed Jul 24 6:30:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE51D37B427 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 06:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wantpackets.com (wantpackets.com [208.8.54.110]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F1C43E42 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 06:30:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andy@wantpackets.com) Received: from wantpackets.com (www@wantpackets.com [208.8.54.110]) by wantpackets.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g6ODXua6066428 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:34:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from andy@wantpackets.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by wantpackets.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g6ODXtil066427 for freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:33:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from andy@wantpackets.com) From: Andy X-Authentication-Warning: wantpackets.com: www set sender to andy@localhost using -f To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: psim non-blocking i/o Message-ID: <1027517635.3d3eacc358a89@www.wantpackets.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:33:55 -0400 (EDT) References: <3D3CA108.5CCABC4E@ptree32.com.au> In-Reply-To: <3D3CA108.5CCABC4E@ptree32.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.7 X-Originating-IP: 216.65.176.203 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I did this with partial success. This only seems to work with the stand-alone version, and did not work for the internal version (internal to gdb). I was using gdb-5.2 sources. > I had mentioned previously that psim does blocking i/o by default, > which > stalls the system when the polling ofw console driver does a read. > > Psim can do non-blocking i/o if it's built with the right options. > > - pass the '--enable-sim-stdio=no' option on the configure command > line > > - in the device tree, insert the line > > /openprom/options/use-stdio? false > > *after* the '/#address-cells 1', if it's present. > > later, > > Peter. > Here is my output... %./run -r 16777216 -f tree/src/sys/powerpc/compile/PowerPC/psim-tree tree/src/sy s/powerpc/compile/PowerPC/kernel.debug chirp: note descriptor missing load-base powerpc_init: no loader metadata. Copyright (c) 1992-2002 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #8: Tue Jul 23 23:36:56 GMT 2002 andy@laptop.marlene.lan:/usr/home/andy/src/tree/src/sys/powerpc/compile/Powe rPC CPU: PowerPC Simulator (psim) (Revision 0) real memory = 16609280 (16220K bytes) avail memory = 12816384 (12516K bytes) nexus_probe: can't get interrupt-controller nexus0: ofwd0: on nexus0 ofwd0: located at /phb@0x70000000/ide@1/disk@0 Initializing GEOMetry subsystem Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec Timecounter "powerpc" frequency 16666666 Hz Mounting root from cd9660:ofwd0 cd9660: RockRidge Extension Jan 1 00:00:01 init: login_getclass: unknown class 'daemon' (null): entered sh.. (null): set locale (null): calling sh init() : Can't open : No such file or directory pmap_release: does not really exist (HELP!) Jan 1 00:00:04 init: /etc/pwd.db: No such file or directory Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh: (null): entered sh.. (null): set locale (null): calling sh init() (null): state 2, going to 3... (null): state 3, going to 4... (null): state 4..., going to command loop # echo * echo * bin build-image.sh dev etc libexec sbin tmp usr var # echo bin/* echo bin/* bin/csh bin/date bin/hostname bin/ln bin/ls bin/ps bin/sh bin/sync bin/sysctl # echo sbin/* echo sbin/* sbin/dhclient sbin/dmesg sbin/fsck sbin/fsck_ffs sbin/hello.c sbin/ifconfig sbin/init sbin/init.bak sbin/mount sbin/newfs sbin/ping sbin/reboot sbin/route sbin/shutdown sbin/swapon sbin/umount # # sbin/dmesg sbin/dmesg Copyright (c) 1992-2002 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #8: Tue Jul 23 23:36:56 GMT 2002 andy@laptop.marlene.lan:/usr/home/andy/src/tree/src/sys/powerpc/compile/PowerPC CPU: PowerPC Simulator (psim) (Revision 0) real memory = 16609280 (16220K bytes) avail memory = 12816384 (12516K bytes) nexus_probe: can't get interrupt-controller nexus0: ofwd0: on nexus0 ofwd0: located at /phb@0x70000000/ide@1/disk@0 Initializing GEOMetry subsystem Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec Timecounter "powerpc" frequency 16666666 Hz Mounting root from cd9660:ofwd0 pmap_release: does not really exist (HELP!) pmap_release: does not really exist (HELP!) # sbin/ifconfig sbin/ifconfig lo0: flags=8008 mtu 16384 pmap_release: does not really exist (HELP!) # bin/ls bin/ls --- it locks up here. I was thoroughly amused to see "#"... Hitting control-c with the gdb-psim is not my idea of debugging. -andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Wed Jul 24 15:21:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9882C37B400 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gt3.OntheNet.com.au (nt.com.au [203.13.70.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 810CB43E67 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:21:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peterg@ptree32.com.au) Received: from ptree32.com.au (CPE-203-45-246-228.qld.bigpond.net.au [203.45.246.228]) by gt3.OntheNet.com.au (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g6OMOLb69732 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:24:21 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3D3F2C98.3D12611@ptree32.com.au> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:39:20 +1000 From: Peter Grehan Organization: Ptree32 Pty Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: psim non-blocking i/o References: <3D3CA108.5CCABC4E@ptree32.com.au> <1027517635.3d3eacc358a89@www.wantpackets.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Andy, > I did this with partial success. This only seems to work with the stand-alone > version, and did not work for the internal version (internal to gdb). I was > using gdb-5.2 sources. Ah yes, I did find the same problem. I'll have a look into why it's blocking with psim-gdb and not psim. I'm also using 5.2. > pmap_release: does not really exist (HELP!) This isn't too bad. All that will happen is that the system will eventually use all NPMAPS unique id's to put into segment descriptors. The fix (taken from NetBSD) is: void pmap_release(pmap_t pmap) { int idx, mask; /* * Free segment register's VSID */ if (pmap->pm_sr[0] == 0) panic("pmap_release"); idx = VSID_TO_HASH(pmap->pm_sr[0]) & (NPMAPS-1); mask = 1 << (idx % VSID_NBPW); idx /= VSID_NBPW; pmap_vsid_bitmap[idx] &= ~mask; } later, Peter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Fri Jul 26 14: 6:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A6C37B400 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hda.hda.com (host65.hda.com [63.104.68.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9238443E3B for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:06:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dufault@hda.com) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.hda.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g6QL72f12456 for freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:07:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dufault@hda.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:06:57 -0400 From: Peter Dufault To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Partitioning new laptop Message-ID: <20020726170657.A12012@hda.hda.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a new G4 laptop. Should I partition it to leave a FreeBSD boot partition? Or boot/usr/var partitions? I realize that ppcsim is a better way to go for development for a long-time user of X86 FreeBSD, but as long as the laptop is new and has little to lose I'd like a recipe for a FreeBSD setup. The reinstall everything from scratch Apple CDROMs don't scare me a bit yet, but in a few weeks,... Peter -- Peter Dufault (dufault@hda.com) Realtime development, Machine control, HD Associates, Inc. Fail-Safe systems, Agency approval To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Fri Jul 26 16: 5:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E4D37B400 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gt3.OntheNet.com.au (nt.com.au [203.13.70.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1F243E65 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:05:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peterg@ptree32.com.au) Received: from ptree32.com.au (CPE-203-45-246-228.qld.bigpond.net.au [203.45.246.228]) by gt3.OntheNet.com.au (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g6QN87b28320; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:08:08 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3D41D9D9.A5175B30@ptree32.com.au> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:23:05 +1000 From: Peter Grehan Organization: Ptree32 Pty Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Dufault Cc: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Partitioning new laptop References: <20020726170657.A12012@hda.hda.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Peter, > I have a new G4 laptop. Should I partition it to leave a FreeBSD > boot partition? Or boot/usr/var partitions? My guess for how things are going to work, is that FreeBSD would live in slices inside one of the alternate partition types, e.g. 'A/UX User', with the loader being placed in a HFS+ boot partition so OpenFirmware can access it. In theory you could boot from the net and have the entire disk as raw BSD disklabel'd, but that seems dangerous, just like it is on x86. So, I'd say do a standard MacOS or OS/X install and carve off a few Gb as 'A/UX User'. NetBSD has a useful partitioning HOW-TO, although they use multiple partitions, which I don't think is necessary for FreeBSD: http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/partitioning.html later, Peter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Fri Jul 26 16:10:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F9B737B400 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from europa.damnsw.net (ptd-24-198-34-128.maine.rr.com [24.198.34.128]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E5343E65 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:10:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@damnsw.net) Received: from deimos.damnsw.net (deimos.damnsw.net [24.198.44.206]) by europa.damnsw.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g6QNAbUM011024; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:10:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from matt@damnsw.net) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:10:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Partitioning new laptop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Cc: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG To: Peter Grehan From: Matt Johnson In-Reply-To: <3D41D9D9.A5175B30@ptree32.com.au> Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Friday, July 26, 2002, at 07:23 PM, Peter Grehan wrote: > So, I'd say do a standard MacOS or OS/X install and carve off a few Gb > as 'A/UX User'. Actually, I just thought of something. OS X natively supports both HFS+ and UFS. If you want to repartition your drive now, you could use HFS+ for one partition, and then make a smaller, blank UFS partition. You could still see the UFS partition in OS X, and even use it for files you wanted. Later on, you could install FreeBSD on it. It would be great to have OS X and FreeBSD on the same machine - they could natively access each other's partitions. Maybe they could even share a /home :) Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Fri Jul 26 16:16:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A88C37B400 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gt3.OntheNet.com.au (nt.com.au [203.13.70.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF14F43E42 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:16:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peterg@ptree32.com.au) Received: from ptree32.com.au (CPE-203-45-246-228.qld.bigpond.net.au [203.45.246.228]) by gt3.OntheNet.com.au (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g6QNK2b37655; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:20:02 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3D41DCA3.43B42775@ptree32.com.au> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:34:59 +1000 From: Peter Grehan Organization: Ptree32 Pty Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Johnson Cc: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Partitioning new laptop References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Matt, > It would be great to have OS X and FreeBSD on the same machine - > they could natively access each other's partitions. Maybe they > could even share a /home :) That would be the eventual goal, but unfortunately OS/X's UFS has some slight kinks. For the details, see: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-kern/2002/06/21/0004.html A fine project for anyone who's interested in that area :-) later, Peter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Fri Jul 26 18: 9:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DBDF37B400 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wantpackets.com (wantpackets.com [208.8.54.110]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31BA43E91 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:09:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andy@wantpackets.com) Received: from wantpackets.com (www@wantpackets.com [208.8.54.110]) by wantpackets.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g6R19UFD005811 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:09:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from andy@wantpackets.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by wantpackets.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g6R19ScS005810 for freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:09:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from andy@wantpackets.com) From: Andy X-Authentication-Warning: wantpackets.com: www set sender to andy@localhost using -f To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: gdb Message-ID: <1027732166.3d41f2c662b9e@www.wantpackets.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:09:26 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.7 X-Originating-IP: 216.65.176.240 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Peter G, What is your take on the gdb "problem?" The simulator uses its own I/O scheme, but gdb uses readline for pretty-bloat. (Not to mention it actually is quite useful at times.) I want to know what you think (or anybody with helpful experiece) should be done, or rather, more precisely, how. Thanks, Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message