From owner-freebsd-scsi Mon Feb 25 0:43:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mgate.uni-hannover.de (mgate.uni-hannover.de [130.75.2.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0D737B405 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 00:43:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mako.pmp.uni-hannover.de by mgate.uni-hannover.de with LocalSMTP (PP) with SMTP; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:42:53 +0100 Received: (from gerrit@localhost) by mako.pmp.uni-hannover.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15020 for freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:42:41 +0100 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:42:41 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gerrit_K=FChn?= To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: TRM-S1040 driver Message-ID: <20020225094241.C14921@pmp.uni-hannover.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5-current-20011015i Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks, some months ago I reported some problems here concerning the rescanning of the scsi bus with a TekRAM 395U controller using TekRAM's driver. Meanwhile I talked about this with the guys at TekRAM and they have fixed the bug. Up to now the fixed versions of the driver are only available at ftp.tekram.com.tw (and not ftp.tekram.com). So anyone who is using a controller based on TekRAMs TRM-S1040 chipset maybe wants to update the driver. cu Gerrit -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Tue Feb 26 16:18:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from utility.clubscholarship.com (utility.clubscholarship.com [198.78.70.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93D037B400 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:18:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by utility.clubscholarship.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1R0FBt35423 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:15:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@utility.clubscholarship.com) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:15:11 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Thomas To: Subject: IDE vs. SCSI partition and slice limits Message-ID: <20020226161306.C34815-100000@utility.clubscholarship.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have discovered, through trial and error, that when using IDE drives in FreeBSD I am limited to 4 slices per drive, and 8 partitions per slice. 1. Is what I just described correct, or was my trial and error flawed ? 2. Do these exact same limits exist for scsi drives, or are the numbers different (and if so, what are they) thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Tue Feb 26 17: 1:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9287537B41B for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:01:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g1R11S864516; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:01:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ken) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:01:28 -0700 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Patrick Thomas Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IDE vs. SCSI partition and slice limits Message-ID: <20020226180128.A64373@panzer.kdm.org> References: <20020226161306.C34815-100000@utility.clubscholarship.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020226161306.C34815-100000@utility.clubscholarship.com>; from root@utility.clubscholarship.com on Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 04:15:11PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ You're sending mail as root. Generally that's a bad thing. ] On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 16:15:11 -0800, Patrick Thomas wrote: > > I have discovered, through trial and error, that when using IDE drives in > FreeBSD I am limited to 4 slices per drive, and 8 partitions per slice. > > 1. Is what I just described correct, or was my trial and error flawed ? That is correct. > 2. Do these exact same limits exist for scsi drives, or are the numbers > different (and if so, what are they) The slice limits are a general PC thing, and the partitions are a limitation of the FreeBSD disklabel. So you'll have the same limits on any type of disk under FreeBSD. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Feb 27 2:41:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from jhs.muc.de (jhs.muc.de [193.149.49.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9703937B41A for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 02:41:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from park.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1QFZBT18846; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:35:11 GMT (envelope-from jhs@park.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200202261535.g1QFZBT18846@jhs.muc.de> To: Julian Elischer Cc: Rick M , scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hi Julian, Can I impose alittle please. In-Reply-To: Message from Julian Elischer of "Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:10:23 +0100." Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:35:11 +0100 From: Julian Stacey Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rick M private mailed me (Julian Stacey) to say he'd got his problem fixed, (after I'd mailed him to tell him his domain was bouncing), so I think this thread is now closed. (I'm just posting this in case Rick M has gone off line again, so's others don't devote time to a solved scsi problem. Julian Stacey --------------------- Julian Elischer wrote: > Actually I'm going to bounce it to scsi@freebsd.org > as I no longer do SCSI and am 6 years out of date. > :-) > > > > On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Julian Stacey wrote: > > > > > I guess you'r looking for Julian Elischer of FreeBSD SCSI fame right ? > > > > He's julian@freebsd.org cc'd > > > > I'm just Julian Stacey, some guy in Munich who doesnt know you, > > isnt a a SCSI guru, & doesnt know why your asking me :-) > > you could also try posting to > > scsi@freebsd.org > > > > Good Luck > > > > Julian > > J.Stacey Munich Unix (FreeBSD, Linux etc) Independent Consultant > > Free Software with Free Sources: http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/free/ > > Ihr Rauchen = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren ! > > > > Reference: > > > From: Rick M > > > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:14:25 +0100 > > > Message-id: > > > > > Rick M wrote: > > > I have a major problem starting to occur accross several of my freebsd > > > boxes, releases 4.2 and 4.3, I am out of ideas. > > > > > > I am running adaptec 2940UW and one 39160, IBM drives. > > > > > > I keeping getting SCB errors on my net news server during a fast RM. > > > Which means I can't expire. > > > > > > **What is worse my mail server and my webserver started showing the same > > > problems.*** > > > > > > example from webserver: > > > Feb 20 10:38:10 avalanche /kernel: (da1:ahc0:0:1:0): SCB 0x17 - timed out > > > in Dat > > > a-in phase, SEQADDR == 0x76 > > > Feb 20 10:38:20 avalanche /kernel: STACK == 0x93, 0x18c, 0x15c, 0x0 > > > Feb 20 10:38:20 avalanche /kernel: SXFRCTL0 == 0xa0 > > > Feb 20 10:38:20 avalanche /kernel: SCB count = 30 > > > Feb 20 10:38:20 avalanche /kernel: QINFIFO entries: 24 3 1 16 26 7 4 0 13 > > > 29 2 2 > > > 8 18 12 10 25 5 22 11 > > > Feb 20 10:38:20 avalanche /kernel: Waiting Queue entries: > > > Feb 20 10:38:20 avalanche /kernel: Disconnected Queue entries: > > > Feb 20 10:38:20 avalanche /kernel: QOUTFIFO entries: > > > Feb 20 10:38:20 avalanche /kernel: Sequencer Free SCB List: 10 1 5 6 14 1 > 1 > > > 7 9 4 > > > 15 8 12 2 0 13 > > > Feb 20 10:38:20 avalanche /kernel: Pending list: 11 22 5 25 10 12 18 28 2 > > > 29 13 > > > 0 4 7 26 16 1 3 24 23 > > > Feb 20 10:38:20 avalanche /kernel: Kernel Free SCB list: 15 20 19 17 6 8 > > > 14 21 9 > > > > > > Feb 20 10:38:20 avalanche /kernel: sg[0] - Addr 0xe4c8000 : Length 4096 > > > Feb 20 10:38:20 avalanche /kernel: sg[1] - Addr 0xe689000 : Length 4096 > > > Feb 20 10:38:20 avalanche /kernel: sg[2] - Addr 0xedca000 : Length 4096 > > > Feb 20 10:38:20 avalanche /kernel: sg[3] - Addr 0xe3eb000 : Length 4096 > > > Feb 20 10:38:20 avalanche /kernel: sg[4] - Addr 0x94ac000 : Length 4096 > > > Feb 20 10:38:20 avalanche /kernel: sg[5] - Addr 0xd40d000 : Length 4096 > > > Feb 20 10:38:20 avalanche /kernel: sg[6] - Addr 0xce8e000 : Length 4096 > > > Feb 20 10:38:21 avalanche /kernel: sg[8] - Addr 0xcd30000 : Length 4096 > > > Feb 20 10:38:21 avalanche /kernel: (da1:ahc0:0:1:0): BDR message in > > > message buff > > > er > > > Feb 20 10:38:21 avalanche /kernel: (da1:ahc0:0:1:0): SCB 0x17 - timed out > > > in Dat > > > a-in phase, SEQADDR == 0x76 > > > Feb 20 10:38:21 avalanche /kernel: STACK == 0x93, 0x18c, 0x15c, 0x0 > > > Feb 20 10:38:21 avalanche /kernel: SXFRCTL0 == 0xa0 > > > Feb 20 10:38:21 avalanche /kernel: SCB count = 30 > > > Feb 20 10:38:21 avalanche /kernel: QINFIFO entries: 24 3 1 16 26 7 4 0 13 > > > 29 2 2 > > > 8 18 12 10 25 5 22 11 > > > Feb 20 10:38:21 avalanche /kernel: Waiting Queue entries: > > > Feb 20 10:38:21 avalanche /kernel: Disconnected Queue entries: > > > Feb 20 10:38:21 avalanche /kernel: QOUTFIFO entries: > > > Feb 20 10:38:21 avalanche /kernel: Sequencer Free SCB List: 10 1 5 6 14 1 > 1 > > > 7 9 4 > > > 15 8 12 2 0 13 > > > Feb 20 10:38:21 avalanche /kernel: Pending list: 11 22 5 25 10 12 18 28 2 > > > 29 13 > > > 0 4 7 26 16 1 3 24 23 > > > Feb 20 10:38:21 avalanche /kernel: Kernel Free SCB list: 15 20 19 17 6 8 > > > 14 21 9 > > > > > > Feb 20 10:38:21 avalanche /kernel: sg[0] - Addr 0xe4c8000 : Length 4096 > > > Feb 20 10:38:21 avalanche /kernel: sg[1] - Addr 0xe689000 : Length 4096 > > > Feb 20 10:38:21 avalanche /kernel: sg[2] - Addr 0xedca000 : Length 4096 > > > Feb 20 10:38:22 avalanche /kernel: sg[4] - Addr 0x94ac000 : Length 4096 > > > Feb 20 10:38:22 avalanche /kernel: sg[5] - Addr 0xd40d000 : Length 4096 > > > Feb 20 10:38:22 avalanche /kernel: sg[6] - Addr 0xce8e000 : Length 4096 > > > Feb 20 10:38:22 avalanche /kernel: sg[7] - Addr 0xd80f000 : Length 4096 > > > Feb 20 10:38:22 avalanche /kernel: sg[8] - Addr 0xcd30000 : Length 4096 > > > Feb 20 10:38:22 avalanche /kernel: (da1:ahc0:0:1:0): no longer in timeout > , > > > statu > > > s = 34b > > > Feb 20 10:38:22 avalanche /kernel: ahc0: Issued Channel A Bus Reset. 20 > > > SCBs aborted > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > Julian > > J.Stacey Munich Unix (FreeBSD, Linux etc) Independent Consultant > > Reduce costs to secure jobs: Use free software: http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/fr > ee/ > > Ihr Rauchen = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren ! > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message > Julian J.Stacey Munich Unix (FreeBSD, Linux etc) Independent Consultant Reduce costs to secure jobs: Use free software: http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/free/ Ihr Rauchen = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Feb 27 2:42:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au (mailman.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4237637B41B for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 02:42:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from bde.zeta.org.au (bde.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.102]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA26365; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:42:20 +1100 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:42:48 +1100 (EST) From: Bruce Evans X-X-Sender: To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: Patrick Thomas , Subject: Re: IDE vs. SCSI partition and slice limits In-Reply-To: <20020226180128.A64373@panzer.kdm.org> Message-ID: <20020227211531.F48298-100000@gamplex.bde.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > [ You're sending mail as root. Generally that's a bad thing. ] > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 16:15:11 -0800, Patrick Thomas wrote: > > > > I have discovered, through trial and error, that when using IDE drives in > > FreeBSD I am limited to 4 slices per drive, and 8 partitions per slice. > > > > 1. Is what I just described correct, or was my trial and error flawed ? > > That is correct. For some values of I. The kernel (on i386's) supports 30 slices per drive. Some utilities only support 4, but it is easy to create another operating system's utilities to create more. In most cases that you need more, they will be for another operating system and will already have been created. Then you just use them. > > 2. Do these exact same limits exist for scsi drives, or are the numbers > > different (and if so, what are they) > > The slice limits are a general PC thing, and the partitions are a > limitation of the FreeBSD disklabel. No, the slice limits are arbitrary. PC's support billions of slices. The limit of 30 is related to the first power of 2 that is strictly larger than what was thought to be the corresponding arbitrary limit on the number of "slices" supported in MSDOS and Linux. This was tested using MSDOS fdisk to create logical drives C: through Z:. IIRC, MSDOS fdisk wouldn't create any drives after Z:, but someone said that MSDOS supports undocumented drives that can be named using ASCII characters after Z. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Feb 27 4: 0: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from lennier.cc.vt.edu (lennier.cc.vt.edu [198.82.162.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283F037B400 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 04:00:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from dagger.cc.vt.edu (IDENT:mirapoint@dagger-lb.cc.vt.edu [10.1.1.11]) by lennier.cc.vt.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g1RC02p469145 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:00:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from zathras (zathras.cc.vt.edu [198.82.162.117]) by dagger.cc.vt.edu (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id AUU26133; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 06:45:25 -0500 (EST) X-WebMail-UserID: gemorga2 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:00:02 -0500 From: gemorga2 To: scsi@freebsd.org X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002964 Subject: RE: IDE vs. SCSI partition and slice limits Message-ID: <3C7D3F5E@zathras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >===== Original Message From Bruce Evans ===== >On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > >> [ You're sending mail as root. Generally that's a bad thing. ] >> >> On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 16:15:11 -0800, Patrick Thomas wrote: >> > >> > I have discovered, through trial and error, that when using IDE drives in >> > FreeBSD I am limited to 4 slices per drive, and 8 partitions per slice. >> > >> > 1. Is what I just described correct, or was my trial and error flawed ? >> >> That is correct. > >For some values of I. The kernel (on i386's) supports 30 slices per drive. >Some utilities only support 4, but it is easy to create another operating >system's utilities to create more. In most cases that you need more, they >will be for another operating system and will already have been created. >Then you just use them. > >> > 2. Do these exact same limits exist for scsi drives, or are the numbers >> > different (and if so, what are they) >> >> The slice limits are a general PC thing, and the partitions are a >> limitation of the FreeBSD disklabel. > >No, the slice limits are arbitrary. PC's support billions of slices. >The limit of 30 is related to the first power of 2 that is strictly >larger than what was thought to be the corresponding arbitrary limit >on the number of "slices" supported in MSDOS and Linux. This was tested >using MSDOS fdisk to create logical drives C: through Z:. IIRC, MSDOS >fdisk wouldn't create any drives after Z:, but someone said that MSDOS >supports undocumented drives that can be named using ASCII characters >after Z. So is that 30 slices inside a PC style partition or thirty partitions (as DOS considers "primary" partitions). I heard (probably incorrectly) that a "DOS" readable partition table has only 4 "slots" for "primary" partitions. With extended partitions I know you can have lots of "logical drives". To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Feb 27 7:43: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au (mailman.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB98F37B417 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:43:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from bde.zeta.org.au (bde.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.102]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA12562; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 02:42:55 +1100 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 02:43:24 +1100 (EST) From: Bruce Evans X-X-Sender: To: gemorga2 Cc: Subject: RE: IDE vs. SCSI partition and slice limits In-Reply-To: <3C7D3F5E@zathras> Message-ID: <20020228023032.E49219-100000@gamplex.bde.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, gemorga2 wrote: > >===== Original Message From Bruce Evans ===== > >No, the slice limits are arbitrary. PC's support billions of slices. > >The limit of 30 is related to the first power of 2 that is strictly > >larger than what was thought to be the corresponding arbitrary limit > >on the number of "slices" supported in MSDOS and Linux. This was tested > >using MSDOS fdisk to create logical drives C: through Z:. IIRC, MSDOS > >fdisk wouldn't create any drives after Z:, but someone said that MSDOS > >supports undocumented drives that can be named using ASCII characters > >after Z. > > So is that 30 slices inside a PC style partition or thirty partitions (as DOS > considers "primary" partitions). I heard (probably incorrectly) that a "DOS" > readable partition table has only 4 "slots" for "primary" partitions. With > extended partitions I know you can have lots of "logical drives". It is 30 logical drives (as DOS mostly considers them; also consider each of the primary partitions to give a logical drive (even if it is empty)). The term "logical drive" is more technically correct and also easier to understand (once you understand it :-), but AFAIK it is not normally used in DOS-speak for the "drives" corresponding to the primary partitions. "Logical drive" is spelled "slice" in FreeBSD-speak. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Feb 27 10:40:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D870137B42A for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:40:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from InterJet.elischer.org ([12.232.206.8]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020227184012.VLQB1147.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@InterJet.elischer.org>; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:40:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.elischer.org [127.0.0.1]) by InterJet.elischer.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01063; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:35:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:35:51 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Julian Stacey Cc: Rick M , scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hi Julian, Can I impose alittle please. In-Reply-To: <200202261535.g1QFZBT18846@jhs.muc.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org thanks On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Julian Stacey wrote: > Rick M private mailed me (Julian Stacey) to > say he'd got his problem fixed, (after I'd mailed him to tell him > his domain was bouncing), so I think this thread is now closed. > > (I'm just posting this in case Rick M has gone off line > again, so's others don't devote time to a solved scsi problem. > Julian Stacey > --------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Feb 27 12:11:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (rwcrmhc54.attbi.com [216.148.227.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E916637B402 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:11:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from gateway.posi.net ([12.236.90.177]) by rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020227201121.XZDC1214.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@gateway.posi.net>; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:11:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (kbyanc@localhost) by gateway.posi.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1RKBKT08384; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:11:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kbyanc@posi.net) X-Authentication-Warning: gateway.posi.net: kbyanc owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:11:19 -0800 (PST) From: Kelly Yancey To: gemorga2 Cc: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: IDE vs. SCSI partition and slice limits In-Reply-To: <3C7D3F5E@zathras> Message-ID: <20020227120524.W8086-100000@gateway.posi.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, gemorga2 wrote: > So is that 30 slices inside a PC style partition or thirty partitions (as DOS > considers "primary" partitions). I heard (probably incorrectly) that a "DOS" > readable partition table has only 4 "slots" for "primary" partitions. With > extended partitions I know you can have lots of "logical drives". > The Master Boot Record only has room for 4 partitions (FreeBSD "slices"). However, one of these partitions can be marked as an extended partition which begins with another MBR, again with 4 partitions. In theory one can create a tree structure describing partitions this way, however in practive it must be a list (degenerate tree). Nonetheless, as Bruce pointed out, one can have large numbers of partitions (limited only be disk space), but only a maximum of 4 of them can be described by the MBR itself. Any tool that only knows how to work with the MBR is limited to manipulating those 4 records. FreeBSD itself, can deal with additional partitions as defined in the extended partitions' MBR records also. Again, "partition" = "slice" in FreeBSD parlance. Kelly kbyanc@{posi.net,FreeBSD.org} To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 10:23: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org (melchior.enst.fr [137.194.161.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DFD937B402; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:22:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from melusine.cuivre.fr.eu.org (melusine.enst.fr [137.194.160.34]) by melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4DF48452; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:22:52 +0100 (CET) Received: by melusine.cuivre.fr.eu.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E200D2C3D1; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:22:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:22:51 +0100 From: Thomas Quinot To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches Message-ID: <20020228192251.A45729@melusine.cuivre.fr.eu.org> Reply-To: thomas@cuivre.fr.eu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-message-flag: WARNING! Using Outlook can damage your computer. Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org An updated version of the ATAPI/CAM patches is available from http://www.cuivre.fr.eu.org/~thomas/atapicam/ This version contains no functional changes, but synchronize with recent modifications to the generic ATAPI code. As always, I would be interested in any feedback. Specifically, there is one known pending issue with this code: on *some* machines, patched kernels hang at boot time, immediately after registering the new CAM sim. If it hangs on your machine and you can provide a backtrace of the point where the freeze occurs, it would be most helpful. Enjoy, Thomas. -- Thomas.Quinot@Cuivre.FR.EU.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 11: 0:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF89937B400; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:00:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from InterJet.elischer.org ([12.232.206.8]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020228190017.DJZ2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@InterJet.elischer.org>; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:00:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.elischer.org [127.0.0.1]) by InterJet.elischer.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA06754; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:49:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:49:18 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Thomas Quinot Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches In-Reply-To: <20020228192251.A45729@melusine.cuivre.fr.eu.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is definitly something that is needed.. The question is whether the CAM and ATAPI authors feel it is right. We are guided by them (even though we desperatly need this). Personally even if not perfect.. it's better than nothing and we should probably commit something like it. or based on it.. (having looked at it I think it seems fine.) So here's my vote for a quick commit. On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Thomas Quinot wrote: > An updated version of the ATAPI/CAM patches is available from > http://www.cuivre.fr.eu.org/~thomas/atapicam/ > This version contains no functional changes, but synchronize with > recent modifications to the generic ATAPI code. > > As always, I would be interested in any feedback. Specifically, there > is one known pending issue with this code: on *some* machines, > patched kernels hang at boot time, immediately after registering > the new CAM sim. If it hangs on your machine and you can provide > a backtrace of the point where the freeze occurs, it would be most > helpful. > > Enjoy, > Thomas. > > -- > Thomas.Quinot@Cuivre.FR.EU.ORG > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 11: 8:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0636237B402; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:08:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g1SJ8B678396; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:08:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ken) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:08:10 -0700 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Julian Elischer Cc: Thomas Quinot , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches Message-ID: <20020228120810.A78355@panzer.kdm.org> References: <20020228192251.A45729@melusine.cuivre.fr.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from julian@elischer.org on Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 10:49:18AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 10:49:18 -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > > This is definitly something that is needed.. > The question is whether the CAM and ATAPI authors feel it is > right. We are guided by them (even though we desperatly need this). > > Personally even if not perfect.. it's better than nothing and we should > probably commit something like it. or based on it.. > (having looked at it I think it seems fine.) I think it's a good idea as well. > So here's my vote for a quick commit. No. See below. There are still problems with it. It probably also needs to be reviewed before it goes in. But yes, it is a good idea. > On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Thomas Quinot wrote: > > > An updated version of the ATAPI/CAM patches is available from > > http://www.cuivre.fr.eu.org/~thomas/atapicam/ > > This version contains no functional changes, but synchronize with > > recent modifications to the generic ATAPI code. > > > > As always, I would be interested in any feedback. Specifically, there > > is one known pending issue with this code: on *some* machines, > > patched kernels hang at boot time, immediately after registering > > the new CAM sim. If it hangs on your machine and you can provide > > a backtrace of the point where the freeze occurs, it would be most > > helpful. > > > > Enjoy, > > Thomas. > > > > -- > > Thomas.Quinot@Cuivre.FR.EU.ORG > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 11:27:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (fw-rl0.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FF737B422; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:27:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1SJQpa78108; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:26:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from sos) From: Søren Schmidt Message-Id: <200202281926.g1SJQpa78108@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches In-Reply-To: <20020228120810.A78355@panzer.kdm.org> To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:26:51 +0100 (CET) Cc: Julian Elischer , Thomas Quinot , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: sos@freebsd.dk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL94b (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It seems Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 10:49:18 -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > > > > This is definitly something that is needed.. > > The question is whether the CAM and ATAPI authors feel it is > > right. We are guided by them (even though we desperatly need this). > > > > Personally even if not perfect.. it's better than nothing and we should > > probably commit something like it. or based on it.. > > (having looked at it I think it seems fine.) > > I think it's a good idea as well. Hmm, why do we need to add new layers and loss of functionality to the ATAPI devices ? > > So here's my vote for a quick commit. > > No. See below. There are still problems with it. I'll quit the ATA/ATAPI development/maintenance if this goes in quickly. There are alot of issues here that needs solutions. It will need a *serious* maintainer that handles all aspects of it, especially dealing with error reports for one thing, technically it needs to be brought to a state where it works on alot more HW that seems to be the case for now, and the integration into the ATA driver should be dealt with a bit differently. -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 11:40:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 001C837B41A; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:40:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from InterJet.elischer.org ([12.232.206.8]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020228194029.BHPJ2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@InterJet.elischer.org>; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:40:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.elischer.org [127.0.0.1]) by InterJet.elischer.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06973; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:37:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:37:45 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: Thomas Quinot , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches In-Reply-To: <20020228120810.A78355@panzer.kdm.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think it's better to commit it now and have it fixed in situ. It's new functionality so committing it with bugs will not break anyone. it will however get more work done on it and more testing. On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 10:49:18 -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > > > > This is definitly something that is needed.. > > The question is whether the CAM and ATAPI authors feel it is > > right. We are guided by them (even though we desperatly need this). > > > > Personally even if not perfect.. it's better than nothing and we should > > probably commit something like it. or based on it.. > > (having looked at it I think it seems fine.) > > I think it's a good idea as well. > > > So here's my vote for a quick commit. > > No. See below. There are still problems with it. > > It probably also needs to be reviewed before it goes in. Well you are one of the main CAM peopel.. we are relying on you and Soeren. > > But yes, it is a good idea. > > > On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Thomas Quinot wrote: > > > > > An updated version of the ATAPI/CAM patches is available from > > > http://www.cuivre.fr.eu.org/~thomas/atapicam/ > > > This version contains no functional changes, but synchronize with > > > recent modifications to the generic ATAPI code. > > > > > > As always, I would be interested in any feedback. Specifically, there > > > is one known pending issue with this code: on *some* machines, > > > patched kernels hang at boot time, immediately after registering > > > the new CAM sim. If it hangs on your machine and you can provide > > > a backtrace of the point where the freeze occurs, it would be most > > > helpful. > > > > > > Enjoy, > > > Thomas. > > > > > > -- > > > Thomas.Quinot@Cuivre.FR.EU.ORG > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message > > Ken > -- > Kenneth Merry > ken@kdm.org > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 11:47:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (dsl092-160-223.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.160.223]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D8937B4BC; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:45:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [66.92.160.223]) by sasami.jurai.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1SJj4r57608; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:45:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:45:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: =?X-UNKNOWN?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= Cc: "Kenneth D. Merry" , Julian Elischer , Thomas Quinot , , Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches In-Reply-To: <200202281926.g1SJQpa78108@freebsd.dk> Message-ID: <20020228144330.V21724-100000@sasami.jurai.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Søren Schmidt wrote: > I'll quit the ATA/ATAPI development/maintenance if this goes in quickly. What? Are you looking at the same patches that everyone else is? I'd expect this sort of foot-dragging if the patch were intrusive to the ATA drivers but its not. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | For Great Justice! | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 11:51:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (esplanaden.cybercity.dk [212.242.40.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9BB37B402; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:51:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1SJotxK007398; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:50:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Julian Elischer Cc: "Kenneth D. Merry" , Thomas Quinot , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:37:45 PST." Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:50:55 +0100 Message-ID: <7397.1014925855@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message , Jul ian Elischer writes: >I think it's better to commit it now and have it fixed in situ. >It's new functionality so committing it with bugs will not break anyone. >it will however get more work done on it and more testing. > > [...] > >Well you are one of the main CAM peopel.. we are relying on you and >Soeren. Hmm, let me try that line of logic for a moment: I think we should have an Amdahl 6600 port of FreeBSD and we should commit it right now. [...] Well, you (Julian) you seem to have nothing to do.. we are relying on you and some other random people we can think of. Sounds weird, doesn't it ? I don't know what axe you are grinding Julian, but if you are not the one to do the work, I don't think you are in a position to ask for "commit it now and have it fixed in situ". Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 11:57:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (fw-rl0.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B8A337B417; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:57:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1SJvKY85823; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:57:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from sos) From: Søren Schmidt Message-Id: <200202281957.g1SJvKY85823@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches In-Reply-To: <20020228144330.V21724-100000@sasami.jurai.net> To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:57:20 +0100 (CET) Cc: "Kenneth D. Merry" , Julian Elischer , Thomas Quinot , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: sos@freebsd.dk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL94b (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It seems Matthew N. Dodd wrote: >On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Søren Schmidt wrote: >> I'll quit the ATA/ATAPI development/maintenance if this goes in quickly. > >What? Are you looking at the same patches that everyone else is? Read the rest of my mail, the problem is not the patches as much as it is all the issues getting it to work and helping users that has problems with it. I have more than enough to do already, getting X mails extra a day asking why app XX doesn't work with drive YY is not what I'm looking for. >I'd expect this sort of foot-dragging if the patch were intrusive to the >ATA drivers but its not. As I have stated several times, I have no problem with ATAPI being sent through CAM as long as the usual way stays (some of us cannot afford the weight of those extra layers, nor loose functionality). I'd do the integration somewhat differently to even further minimise the diffs, but that is really not the issue here... So if we can get *serious* commitment from a committer to take up these loose ends, lets talk about what to do, if not my offer stands :) -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 11:58:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from 196.mudb.snfc.snfccafj.dsl.att.net (196.mudb.snfc.snfccafj.dsl.att.net [12.99.91.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EDAE437B400 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17609 invoked by uid 1000); 28 Feb 2002 19:53:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:53:48 -0800 From: Christopher Nielsen To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches Message-ID: <20020228195348.GV6178@cassie.foobarbaz.net> References: <200202281926.g1SJQpa78108@freebsd.dk> <20020228144330.V21724-100000@sasami.jurai.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20020228144330.V21724-100000@sasami.jurai.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 02:45:04PM -0500, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Søren Schmidt wrote: > > I'll quit the ATA/ATAPI development/maintenance if this goes in quickly. > > What? Are you looking at the same patches that everyone else is? > > I'd expect this sort of foot-dragging if the patch were intrusive to the > ATA drivers but its not. FWIW, I'll volunteer as a tester. I need this functionality. I've applied the patch to -stable and used it extensively with not even the slightest hint of problems. I'd offer to help maintain it, but a) I'm not a committer, b) I don't think I have the time right now, and c) I'm not familiar enough with ATA/ATAPI, CAM, or the patches to be an effective maintainer. Not to mention it's not my code. :-) -- Christopher Nielsen - Metal-wielding pyro techie cnielsen@pobox.com "Those who are willing to trade freedom for security deserve neither freedom nor security." --Benjamin Franklin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 12:11:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mailhub.yumyumyum.org (dsl092-171-091.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.171.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C34837B417 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:11:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1854 invoked by uid 1001); 28 Feb 2002 20:11:24 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 20:11:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:11:23 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth Culver To: =?X-UNKNOWN?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= Cc: "Kenneth D. Merry" , Julian Elischer , Thomas Quinot , , Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches In-Reply-To: <200202281926.g1SJQpa78108@freebsd.dk> Message-ID: <20020228150805.T1827-100000@alpha.yumyumyum.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hmm, why do we need to add new layers and loss of functionality > to the ATAPI devices ? Many many many people would like to be able to use cdrecord to burn data to cd's so that all the front-ends to cdrecord will work. It's much nicer than memorizing mkisofs commandline switches :-) What functionality is lost by this ability? > > > So here's my vote for a quick commit. > > > > No. See below. There are still problems with it. > > I'll quit the ATA/ATAPI development/maintenance if this goes in quickly. > There are alot of issues here that needs solutions. It will need a > *serious* maintainer that handles all aspects of it, especially > dealing with error reports for one thing, technically it needs > to be brought to a state where it works on alot more HW that seems > to be the case for now, and the integration into the ATA driver > should be dealt with a bit differently. > If it has so many problems... why not just clean it up? Just curious... Ken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 12:20:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB80A37B402; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:20:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from InterJet.elischer.org ([12.232.206.8]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020228202008.FIWB1147.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@InterJet.elischer.org>; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:20:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.elischer.org [127.0.0.1]) by InterJet.elischer.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA07206; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:09:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:09:05 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: "Kenneth D. Merry" , Thomas Quinot , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches In-Reply-To: <7397.1014925855@critter.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Poul-henning. What crack are you on? Have you looked at the patches in question? They are small and non-intrusive. We are relying on the ATA maintainer to tell us whether they are dangerous, but they are so small that we should look at fast-tracking them if possible. Even if it was broken, it's new amd non intrusive so it wouldn't break anything except itself. It's functionalityu that we've wanted for a long time but haven't had. Now it's handed to us on a plate and somehow you don't like that? On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message , Jul > ian Elischer writes: > > >I think it's better to commit it now and have it fixed in situ. > >It's new functionality so committing it with bugs will not break anyone. > >it will however get more work done on it and more testing. > > > > [...] > > > >Well you are one of the main CAM peopel.. we are relying on you and > >Soeren. > > Hmm, let me try that line of logic for a moment: > > I think we should have an Amdahl 6600 port of FreeBSD and > we should commit it right now. [...] > > Well, you (Julian) you seem to have nothing to do.. we are > relying on you and some other random people we can think > of. > > Sounds weird, doesn't it ? No, Have some KSE suggestions? or some for a fully working correct DEVFS (unlike the one we have now)? let me know.. > > I don't know what axe you are grinding Julian, but if you are not > the one to do the work, I don't think you are in a position to > ask for "commit it now and have it fixed in situ". Poul, I've reviewed it and find it ok. The only reason to have the ATA reviewer look at it is because he is just that: teh ATA maintainer. It's a low risk commit. what axe are you grinding? Since you have nothing whatsoever to add? > > > Poul-Henning > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 > phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 > FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe > Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 12:40:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA13037B402; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:40:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from InterJet.elischer.org ([12.232.206.8]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020228204014.CYBF2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@InterJet.elischer.org>; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:40:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.elischer.org [127.0.0.1]) by InterJet.elischer.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA07284; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:22:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:22:12 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Kenneth Culver Cc: =?X-UNKNOWN?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= , "Kenneth D. Merry" , Thomas Quinot , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches In-Reply-To: <20020228150805.T1827-100000@alpha.yumyumyum.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org where dod sis post his email..? I never saw it.... On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Kenneth Culver wrote: > > Hmm, why do we need to add new layers and loss of functionality > > to the ATAPI devices ? > > Many many many people would like to be able to use cdrecord to burn data > to cd's so that all the front-ends to cdrecord will work. It's much nicer > than memorizing mkisofs commandline switches :-) > > What functionality is lost by this ability? > > > > > So here's my vote for a quick commit. > > > > > > No. See below. There are still problems with it. > > > > I'll quit the ATA/ATAPI development/maintenance if this goes in quickly. > > There are alot of issues here that needs solutions. It will need a > > *serious* maintainer that handles all aspects of it, especially > > dealing with error reports for one thing, technically it needs > > to be brought to a state where it works on alot more HW that seems > > to be the case for now, and the integration into the ATA driver > > should be dealt with a bit differently. > > > If it has so many problems... why not just clean it up? Just curious... > > Ken > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 12:41:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic.adaptec.com [208.236.45.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5D737B41A; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:41:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from redfish.adaptec.com (redfish.adaptec.com [162.62.50.11]) by magic.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27248; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:39:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from btc.btc.adaptec.com (btc.btc.adaptec.com [162.62.64.10]) by redfish.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20244; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:22:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from hollin.btc.adaptec.com (hollin [162.62.149.56]) by btc.btc.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11141; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:39:50 -0700 (MST) Received: (from scottl@localhost) by hollin.btc.adaptec.com (8.11.6/8.11.4) id g1SKbW606074; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:37:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scott_long@btc.adaptec.com) X-Authentication-Warning: hollin.btc.adaptec.com: scottl set sender to scott_long@btc.adaptec.com using -f Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches From: Scott Long To: sos@freebsd.dk Cc: "Matthew N. Dodd" , "Kenneth D. Merry" , Julian Elischer , Thomas Quinot , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200202281957.g1SJvKY85823@freebsd.dk> References: <200202281957.g1SJvKY85823@freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 28 Feb 2002 13:37:32 -0700 Message-Id: <1014928652.6021.5.camel@hollin.btc.adaptec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 2002-02-28 at 12:57, Sxren Schmidt wrote: > It seems Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > >On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, S=F8ren Schmidt wrote: > >> I'll quit the ATA/ATAPI development/maintenance if this goes in quickl= y. > > > >What? Are you looking at the same patches that everyone else is? >=20 > Read the rest of my mail, the problem is not the patches as much > as it is all the issues getting it to work and helping users > that has problems with it. I have more than enough to do already, > getting X mails extra a day asking why app XX doesn't work with > drive YY is not what I'm looking for. >=20 > >I'd expect this sort of foot-dragging if the patch were intrusive to the > >ATA drivers but its not. >=20 > As I have stated several times, I have no problem with ATAPI being > sent through CAM as long as the usual way stays (some of us cannot > afford the weight of those extra layers, nor loose functionality). > I'd do the integration somewhat differently to even further minimise=20 > the diffs, but that is really not the issue here... > So if we can get *serious* commitment from a committer to take up > these loose ends, lets talk about what to do, if not my offer stands :) >=20 > -S=F8ren > I'll raise my hand here. I've been keenly interested in this for a while, since it will make my UDF work much simpler. I'm also getting my feet wet in CAM, and I have the two CAM gurus nearby if things get too hairy. I fully indend for this to be a cooperative effort with Thomas; I'm mainly raising my hand to take the abuse that will no doubt happen once in a while. Scott =20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 12:58:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (fw-rl0.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0E137B405; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:58:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1SKw0Q00966; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:58:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from sos) From: Søren Schmidt Message-Id: <200202282058.g1SKw0Q00966@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches In-Reply-To: <20020228150805.T1827-100000@alpha.yumyumyum.org> To: Kenneth Culver Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:58:00 +0100 (CET) Cc: "Kenneth D. Merry" , Julian Elischer , Thomas Quinot , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: sos@freebsd.dk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL94b (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It seems Kenneth Culver wrote: > > Hmm, why do we need to add new layers and loss of functionality > > to the ATAPI devices ? > > Many many many people would like to be able to use cdrecord to burn data > to cd's so that all the front-ends to cdrecord will work. It's much nicer > than memorizing mkisofs commandline switches :-) Hmm, cdrecord can be used with the ATAPI sunsystem as it is, I did patches for this long ago, but noone picked it up as a port... > What functionality is lost by this ability? Compare the features of the ATAPI vs SCSI CD drivers.. > If it has so many problems... why not just clean it up? Just curious... Fine by me, but do you also volounteer the time and expertise to do that ? This is the usual case of "we want it all" but noone is willing to invest the time and energy to keep it floating. I'll state it again, I have no problem with having ATAPI being available through CAM, I'll even do the initial commit to ensure integration is done in a way I can live with in the ATA/ATAPI driver. But I do have a problem with what comes after that, I do *not* have the time nor motivation for keeping this working and upto date, let alone answering end user questions about what works and what doesn't. Do you guys have any idea what amount of time it takes to keep modern device drivers etc up to date on HW that gets new versions and types by the week ? I could use the hours I put into this each and every week (and have done for the past 3 years in case of the ATA/ATAPI driver mind you) for playing with my kids or take the vife for a dinner in town, so excuse me for beeing a little bit pissed when you say "why not just clean it up"... Now, I ask for someone with the time, the knowledge and the motivation to do the maintenance work on this when/if it gets into the sources, thats all. This is a volounteer driven project guys, you give some and then you may be getting some.. I'm getting tired of giving and only getting requests for more in return... -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 13: 6:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (fw-rl0.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EAE137B400; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:06:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1SL62U02937; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:06:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from sos) From: Søren Schmidt Message-Id: <200202282106.g1SL62U02937@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches In-Reply-To: <1014928652.6021.5.camel@hollin.btc.adaptec.com> To: Scott Long Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:06:02 +0100 (CET) Cc: "Matthew N. Dodd" , "Kenneth D. Merry" , Julian Elischer , Thomas Quinot , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: sos@freebsd.dk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL94b (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It seems Scott Long wrote: > > As I have stated several times, I have no problem with ATAPI being > > sent through CAM as long as the usual way stays (some of us cannot > > afford the weight of those extra layers, nor loose functionality). > > I'd do the integration somewhat differently to even further minimise > > the diffs, but that is really not the issue here... > > So if we can get *serious* commitment from a committer to take up > > these loose ends, lets talk about what to do, if not my offer stands :) > > I'll raise my hand here. I've been keenly interested in this for a > while, since it will make my UDF work much simpler. I'm also getting my Hmm, your UDF code should know nothing about the lower layers, but we've been over that already :) > feet wet in CAM, and I have the two CAM gurus nearby if things get too > hairy. I fully indend for this to be a cooperative effort with Thomas; > I'm mainly raising my hand to take the abuse that will no doubt happen > once in a while. Sure, maybe we should make Thomas a committer so he could look after it himself ? Interested ? Got the time ? I'm all ears for volounteers... -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 13: 7:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from aslan.scsiguy.com (aslan.scsiguy.com [63.229.232.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0CC637B405; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:07:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from scsiguy.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aslan.scsiguy.com (8.11.6/8.11.5) with ESMTP id g1SL8CI61450; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:08:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gibbs@scsiguy.com) Message-Id: <200202282108.g1SL8CI61450@aslan.scsiguy.com> To: sos@freebsd.dk Cc: Kenneth Culver , "Kenneth D. Merry" , Julian Elischer , Thomas Quinot , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:58:00 +0100." <200202282058.g1SKw0Q00966@freebsd.dk> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:08:12 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> What functionality is lost by this ability? > >Compare the features of the ATAPI vs SCSI CD drivers.. This is exactly why I'd like to see this code merged. The hardware changes too rapidly. The specs change too rapidly but MMC is MMC. More of us are getting wives we need to take out to dinner and children to play with, so having duplicated functionality like this just ensures that too many of us are sacrificing our free time instead of working together to get a clean solution. I will go on record right now and as I've said before, there are changes that are needed in CAM land in order for me to accept this change. Due to the growing pressure to get this stuff in, I'll work with Scott and Ken to make sure we have *the right* solution for this in the next couple of weeks. Thomas' code is a great prototype, but we need to do this right so that Soren can concentrate on making X, Y, and Z new ATA chip work, we can collaborate on making our MMC device support the best in the OpenSource world, and we all have free time left over to tend to our personal lives. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 13:11:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic.adaptec.com [208.236.45.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D91537B400; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:11:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from redfish.adaptec.com (redfish.adaptec.com [162.62.50.11]) by magic.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00441; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:11:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from btc.btc.adaptec.com (btc.btc.adaptec.com [162.62.64.10]) by redfish.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23643; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:53:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from hollin.btc.adaptec.com (hollin [162.62.149.56]) by btc.btc.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11468; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:10:56 -0700 (MST) Received: (from scottl@localhost) by hollin.btc.adaptec.com (8.11.6/8.11.4) id g1SL8d106137; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:08:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scott_long@btc.adaptec.com) X-Authentication-Warning: hollin.btc.adaptec.com: scottl set sender to scott_long@btc.adaptec.com using -f Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches From: Scott Long To: sos@freebsd.dk Cc: "Matthew N. Dodd" , "Kenneth D. Merry" , Julian Elischer , Thomas Quinot , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200202282106.g1SL62U02937@freebsd.dk> References: <200202282106.g1SL62U02937@freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 28 Feb 2002 14:08:39 -0700 Message-Id: <1014930519.6021.16.camel@hollin.btc.adaptec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 2002-02-28 at 14:06, S=F8ren Schmidt wrote: > It seems Scott Long wrote: > > > As I have stated several times, I have no problem with ATAPI being > > > sent through CAM as long as the usual way stays (some of us cannot > > > afford the weight of those extra layers, nor loose functionality). > > > I'd do the integration somewhat differently to even further minimise=20 > > > the diffs, but that is really not the issue here... > > > So if we can get *serious* commitment from a committer to take up > > > these loose ends, lets talk about what to do, if not my offer stands = :) > >=20 > > I'll raise my hand here. I've been keenly interested in this for a > > while, since it will make my UDF work much simpler. I'm also getting m= y >=20 > Hmm, your UDF code should know nothing about the lower layers, but=20 > we've been over that already :) >=20 Yes, and hopefully the filesystem won't have to care, but tools like newfs_udf will. > > feet wet in CAM, and I have the two CAM gurus nearby if things get too > > hairy. I fully indend for this to be a cooperative effort with Thomas; > > I'm mainly raising my hand to take the abuse that will no doubt happen > > once in a while. >=20 > Sure, maybe we should make Thomas a committer so he could look after > it himself ? Interested ? Got the time ? I'm all ears for volounteers... >=20 Ummm, I'm volunteering to shepherd these initiatives. The thought of making Thomas a committer had crossed my mind, but I hadn't brought it up with anyone yet. If you're not comfortable with me volunteering for this, please say so. Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 13:14:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (fw-rl0.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43BB137B420; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:14:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1SLDne04824; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:13:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from sos) From: Søren Schmidt Message-Id: <200202282113.g1SLDne04824@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches In-Reply-To: <200202282108.g1SL8CI61450@aslan.scsiguy.com> To: "Justin T. Gibbs" Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:13:49 +0100 (CET) Cc: Kenneth Culver , "Kenneth D. Merry" , Julian Elischer , Thomas Quinot , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: sos@freebsd.dk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL94b (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It seems Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > >> What functionality is lost by this ability? > > > >Compare the features of the ATAPI vs SCSI CD drivers.. > > This is exactly why I'd like to see this code merged. The hardware > changes too rapidly. The specs change too rapidly but MMC is MMC. Exactly. > More of us are getting wives we need to take out to dinner and > children to play with, so having duplicated functionality like this > just ensures that too many of us are sacrificing our free time instead > of working together to get a clean solution. > > I will go on record right now and as I've said before, there are changes > that are needed in CAM land in order for me to accept this change. > Due to the growing pressure to get this stuff in, I'll work with Scott > and Ken to make sure we have *the right* solution for this in the > next couple of weeks. Thomas' code is a great prototype, but we > need to do this right so that Soren can concentrate on making X, Y, and > Z new ATA chip work, we can collaborate on making our MMC device support > the best in the OpenSource world, and we all have free time left over > to tend to our personal lives. Agreed, but that means that not only CAM but also the SCSI CD driver needs to learn lots of new tricks, but if that can be done I'm all ears.. Are we done with the "commit it quickly" now ? :) -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 13:17:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (fw-rl0.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9DBD37B402; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:17:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1SLG7i05386; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:16:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from sos) From: Søren Schmidt Message-Id: <200202282116.g1SLG7i05386@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches In-Reply-To: <1014930519.6021.16.camel@hollin.btc.adaptec.com> To: Scott Long Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:16:07 +0100 (CET) Cc: "Matthew N. Dodd" , "Kenneth D. Merry" , Julian Elischer , Thomas Quinot , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Reply-To: sos@freebsd.dk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL94b (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It seems Scott Long wrote: > > > I'm mainly raising my hand to take the abuse that will no doubt happen > > > once in a while. > > > > Sure, maybe we should make Thomas a committer so he could look after > > it himself ? Interested ? Got the time ? I'm all ears for volounteers... > > > > Ummm, I'm volunteering to shepherd these initiatives. The thought of > making Thomas a committer had crossed my mind, but I hadn't brought it > up with anyone yet. > If you're not comfortable with me volunteering for this, please say so. I have no problem with you doing it, I was just fishing for getting Thomas into the net also, we need all the hands we can get :) -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 13:56:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org (melchior.enst.fr [137.194.161.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F0037B405; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:56:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from melusine.cuivre.fr.eu.org (melusine.enst.fr [137.194.160.34]) by melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8FFB8795; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:56:07 +0100 (CET) Received: by melusine.cuivre.fr.eu.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0D70B2C3D1; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:56:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:56:05 +0100 From: Thomas Quinot To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= Cc: "Matthew N. Dodd" , "Kenneth D. Merry" , Julian Elischer , Thomas Quinot , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches Message-ID: <20020228225604.B60792@melusine.cuivre.fr.eu.org> Reply-To: thomas@cuivre.fr.eu.org References: <20020228144330.V21724-100000@sasami.jurai.net> <200202281957.g1SJvKY85823@freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200202281957.g1SJvKY85823@freebsd.dk>; from sos@freebsd.dk on Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 08:57:20PM +0100 X-message-flag: WARNING! Using Outlook can damage your computer. Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wow /that's/ a thread ;) > >On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Søren Schmidt wrote: > >> I'll quit the ATA/ATAPI development/maintenance if this goes in quickly. First of all I'd like to make two points: * Søren is doing a great job as ATA maintainer, and it would be a Bad Thing to have him quit; * I am not particularly pushing for quick integration of the code into the system. Quite some review and debugging is in order, as well as some discussion with the CAM team as to how to properly handle variations in devices' command sets (the current patch intercepts and translates some SCSI commands on the fly -- this is working, but a ugly hack.) > Read the rest of my mail, the problem is not the patches as much > as it is all the issues getting it to work and helping users I have been maintaining the patch and helping users with it since the time I first published it. It is none of my intentions to impose upon anyone else the burden of taking care of it. > As I have stated several times, I have no problem with ATAPI being > sent through CAM as long as the usual way stays As far as I was able to determine, my patch does not prevent the use of the existing ATAPI devices. If it does break them, I'd be more than willing to make any necessary changes to remedy that. > So if we can get *serious* commitment from a committer to take up > these loose ends, lets talk about what to do, if not my offer stands :) What I can offer is serious commitment from a non-presently-committer. Thomas. -- Thomas.Quinot@Cuivre.FR.EU.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 14: 1:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org (melchior.enst.fr [137.194.161.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF8E37B417; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:01:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from melusine.cuivre.fr.eu.org (melusine.enst.fr [137.194.160.34]) by melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A694287BF; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:01:42 +0100 (CET) Received: by melusine.cuivre.fr.eu.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E26EC2C3D1; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:01:41 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:01:41 +0100 From: Thomas Quinot To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= Cc: Scott Long , "Matthew N. Dodd" , "Kenneth D. Merry" , Julian Elischer , Thomas Quinot , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches Message-ID: <20020228230141.C60792@melusine.cuivre.fr.eu.org> Reply-To: thomas@cuivre.fr.eu.org References: <1014930519.6021.16.camel@hollin.btc.adaptec.com> <200202282116.g1SLG7i05386@freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200202282116.g1SLG7i05386@freebsd.dk>; from sos@freebsd.dk on Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 10:16:07PM +0100 X-message-flag: WARNING! Using Outlook can damage your computer. Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Le 2002-02-28, Søren Schmidt écrivait : > I have no problem with you doing it, I was just fishing for getting > Thomas into the net also, we need all the hands we can get :) As I mentioned I am entirely willing to take charge of the care and feeding of the bugs I wrote. Thomas. -- Thomas.Quinot@Cuivre.FR.EU.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 14: 5: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com (mailout06.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7148E37B402; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:04:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from fwd05.sul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16gY4P-0007Z3-03; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:26:33 +0100 Received: from twoflower (320072111332-0001@[217.80.127.46]) by fmrl05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16gY4M-1KdCC0C; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:26:30 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Jan Stocker" To: , Subject: RE: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:25:24 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c1c09e$6f4a7180$fe02010a@twoflower.liebende.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Sender: 320072111332-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think Thomas is doing here a quite good job and it is also to him to decide to include his sources and maybe maintain them. The ata sources have changed a lot the last weeks, so until Thomas thinks his sources are under heavy development too, both should do their jobs and we've some patches from Thomas. If you include it now one depends of the other and you may get into the problem of both altering the code from the other at the same time. The (somewhat selfish) behavior to include it and give maintainership to someone else leads to a originator stopping his work or the creation of 2 parallel solutions. Isn't it better the core team (or someone else thinking (s)he's a better idea) supports Thomas and a stable and good solution is integrated later (maybe with maintainership of Thomas)? Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 14:20:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (rwcrmhc54.attbi.com [216.148.227.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 443BD37B402; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:20:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from InterJet.elischer.org ([12.232.206.8]) by rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020228222011.ILWU1214.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@InterJet.elischer.org>; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:20:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.elischer.org [127.0.0.1]) by InterJet.elischer.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA07841; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:15:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:15:29 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Jan Stocker Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches In-Reply-To: <000001c1c09e$6f4a7180$fe02010a@twoflower.liebende.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We have CVS Why not commit the prototype now and update it as people get the corner cases worked out? The code doesn't interfere with either the CAM system or the ATAPI system that I can see. On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Jan Stocker wrote: > I think Thomas is doing here a quite good job and it is also to him to > decide to include his sources and maybe maintain them. The ata sources have > changed a lot the last weeks, so until Thomas thinks his sources are under > heavy development too, both should do their jobs and we've some patches from > Thomas. If you include it now one depends of the other and you may get into > the problem of both altering the code from the other at the same time. > The (somewhat selfish) behavior to include it and give maintainership to > someone else leads to a originator stopping his work or the creation of 2 > parallel solutions. Isn't it better the core team (or someone else thinking > (s)he's a better idea) supports Thomas and a stable and good solution is > integrated later (maybe with maintainership of Thomas)? > > Jan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 14:43:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com (mailout01.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6739737B400; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from fwd07.sul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16gZGd-0008NH-02; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:43:15 +0100 Received: from twoflower.liebende.de (320072111332-0001@[217.80.121.170]) by fmrl07.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 16gZGP-1IbWqGC; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:43:01 +0100 Subject: RE: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches From: Jan Stocker To: Julian Elischer Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1014936105.388.17.camel@twoflower> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 28 Feb 2002 23:41:51 +0100 X-Sender: 320072111332-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 2002-02-28 at 23:15, Julian Elischer wrote: > We have CVS Okay.. thats a piece software.. > Why not commit the prototype now and update it as people get the corner > cases worked out? If Thomas can and will maintain it, ok... else read my comment from my last mail... > The code doesn't interfere with either the CAM system or the ATAPI system > that I can see. So lately atapi_softc disapperead (o.k. has been renamed). So what to do... is the person who made the change responsible to change the affected code (maybe changing this struct causes something more than find/replace the old name) or do you want to wait for the maintainer to fix it and kernel is broken for this time. So you need a person who really want this, have time and the knowledge to do it. You cant check it in and lets see what happens. Jan > > On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Jan Stocker wrote: > > > I think Thomas is doing here a quite good job and it is also to him to > > decide to include his sources and maybe maintain them. The ata sources have > > changed a lot the last weeks, so until Thomas thinks his sources are under > > heavy development too, both should do their jobs and we've some patches from > > Thomas. If you include it now one depends of the other and you may get into > > the problem of both altering the code from the other at the same time. > > The (somewhat selfish) behavior to include it and give maintainership to > > someone else leads to a originator stopping his work or the creation of 2 > > parallel solutions. Isn't it better the core team (or someone else thinking > > (s)he's a better idea) supports Thomas and a stable and good solution is > > integrated later (maybe with maintainership of Thomas)? > > > > Jan > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 14:51: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mailhub.yumyumyum.org (dsl092-171-091.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.171.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C043B37B417 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:50:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2709 invoked by uid 1001); 28 Feb 2002 22:50:52 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 22:50:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:50:52 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth Culver To: Julian Elischer Cc: =?X-UNKNOWN?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= , "Kenneth D. Merry" , Thomas Quinot , , Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020228175016.I2699-100000@alpha.yumyumyum.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Umm, I don't remember where he posted it, but it wasn't posted privately. Most likely since I'm using pine, it was posted to freebsd-current and freebsd-scsi. Ken On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Julian Elischer wrote: > > where dod sis post his email..? > I never saw it.... > > On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Kenneth Culver wrote: > > > > Hmm, why do we need to add new layers and loss of functionality > > > to the ATAPI devices ? > > > > Many many many people would like to be able to use cdrecord to burn data > > to cd's so that all the front-ends to cdrecord will work. It's much nicer > > than memorizing mkisofs commandline switches :-) > > > > What functionality is lost by this ability? > > > > > > > So here's my vote for a quick commit. > > > > > > > > No. See below. There are still problems with it. > > > > > > I'll quit the ATA/ATAPI development/maintenance if this goes in quickly. > > > There are alot of issues here that needs solutions. It will need a > > > *serious* maintainer that handles all aspects of it, especially > > > dealing with error reports for one thing, technically it needs > > > to be brought to a state where it works on alot more HW that seems > > > to be the case for now, and the integration into the ATA driver > > > should be dealt with a bit differently. > > > > > If it has so many problems... why not just clean it up? Just curious... > > > > Ken > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 14:56:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mailhub.yumyumyum.org (dsl092-171-091.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.171.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 090E037B420 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:55:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2752 invoked by uid 1001); 28 Feb 2002 22:55:41 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 22:55:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:55:41 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth Culver To: =?X-UNKNOWN?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= Cc: "Kenneth D. Merry" , Julian Elischer , Thomas Quinot , , Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches In-Reply-To: <200202282058.g1SKw0Q00966@freebsd.dk> Message-ID: <20020228175134.I2699-100000@alpha.yumyumyum.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hmm, cdrecord can be used with the ATAPI sunsystem as it is, I did > patches for this long ago, but noone picked it up as a port... I remember you saying that you had these, but you weren't willing to release them for some reason; something to do with the GPL... > > > What functionality is lost by this ability? > > Compare the features of the ATAPI vs SCSI CD drivers.. Yes, but the way the author implements this, he's not using the scsi cd drivers... he's just using the SCSI pass interfaces. > > > If it has so many problems... why not just clean it up? Just curious... > > Fine by me, but do you also volounteer the time and expertise to do that ? > This is the usual case of "we want it all" but noone is willing to > invest the time and energy to keep it floating. Well, I'd be glad to maintain it if I had 3 things... commiter status, knowledge of the ATA subsystem, and knowledge of the CAM subsystem. Right now I don't know much about any of these mainly because I havn't had time to look. > I'll state it again, I have no problem with having ATAPI being > available through CAM, I'll even do the initial commit to ensure > integration is done in a way I can live with in the ATA/ATAPI > driver. But I do have a problem with what comes after that, I > do *not* have the time nor motivation for keeping this working > and upto date, let alone answering end user questions about > what works and what doesn't. > > Do you guys have any idea what amount of time it takes to keep > modern device drivers etc up to date on HW that gets new versions > and types by the week ? I could use the hours I put into this > each and every week (and have done for the past 3 years in case > of the ATA/ATAPI driver mind you) for playing with my kids or > take the vife for a dinner in town, so excuse me for beeing a > little bit pissed when you say "why not just clean it up"... Well, I didn't mean it to piss anyone off... just a question really... > > Now, I ask for someone with the time, the knowledge and the > motivation to do the maintenance work on this when/if it > gets into the sources, thats all. > > This is a volounteer driven project guys, you give some and > then you may be getting some.. > > I'm getting tired of giving and only getting requests for > more in return... > As I've said before, I'd love to contribute to FreeBSD in anyplace that needs contributed to, I really just don't know where to start. Ken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Mar 1 0:56: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mail.nsu.ru (mx.nsu.ru [193.124.215.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F315537B41C; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 00:55:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from iclub.nsu.ru ([193.124.215.97] ident=root) by mail.nsu.ru with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 16gipH-0007nN-00; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:55:39 +0600 Received: (from fjoe@localhost) by iclub.nsu.ru (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g218tTR17234; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:55:29 +0600 (NS) (envelope-from fjoe) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:55:29 +0600 From: Max Khon To: =?koi8-r?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= Cc: Kenneth Culver , "Kenneth D. Merry" , Julian Elischer , Thomas Quinot , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches Message-ID: <20020301145529.A93229@iclub.nsu.ru> References: <20020228150805.T1827-100000@alpha.yumyumyum.org> <200202282058.g1SKw0Q00966@freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200202282058.g1SKw0Q00966@freebsd.dk>; from sos@freebsd.dk on Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 09:58:00PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, there! On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 09:58:00PM +0100, Søren Schmidt wrote: > > > Hmm, why do we need to add new layers and loss of functionality > > > to the ATAPI devices ? > > > > Many many many people would like to be able to use cdrecord to burn data > > to cd's so that all the front-ends to cdrecord will work. It's much nicer > > than memorizing mkisofs commandline switches :-) > > Hmm, cdrecord can be used with the ATAPI sunsystem as it is, I did > patches for this long ago, but noone picked it up as a port... what about cdrdao? /fjoe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Mar 1 1:47:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [66.92.160.223]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A097237B405 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:47:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [66.92.160.223]) by sasami.jurai.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g219lHr87111 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 04:47:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 04:47:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: SCSI driver problem: 'sym' fails, 'ahc' works. Message-ID: <20020301042234.N21724-100000@sasami.jurai.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've got a set of 4 SUN OEM SEAGATE ST410800WD drives in an external enclosure. I've got a system with a LSI/Symbios SYM22802 (dual channel HVD scsi) adapter and is running FreeBSD -CURRENT, no more than a few weeks old: sym1: <875> port 0xe400-0xe4ff mem 0xffafd000-0xffafdfff,0xffafee00-0xffafeeff irq 15 at device 16.1 on pci0 sym1: Symbios NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, HVD, parity checking sym1: open drain IRQ line driver, using on-chip SRAM sym1: using LOAD/STORE-based firmware. The second system has an Adaptec AHA-4944 (quad channel HVD scsi) adapter and is running FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE: chip3: rev 0x02 on pci0.19.0 ... ahc3: rev 0x00 int a irq 18 on pci2.4.0 ahc3: aic7870 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs (showing relevent channels only) When the drives are plugged into the 'sym' channel: (probe0:sym1:0:0:0): extraneous data discarded. (probe0:sym1:0:0:0): COMMAND FAILED (87 0 1). (probe0:sym1:0:0:0): ODD transfer in DATA IN phase. (probe0:sym1:0:0:0): COMMAND FAILED (87 0 10). ... (repeated a few times) And the drive does not show up on the bus. When the drives are plugged into the 'ahc' channel: (probe45:ahc3:0:0:0): data overrun detected in Data-In phase. Tag == 0xe. (probe45:ahc3:0:0:0): Have seen Data Phase. Length = 36. NumSGs = 1. ... da2 at ahc3 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da2: 20.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da2: 8669MB (17755614 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1105C) My read of the 2 drivers indicates that this is the same error condition but the 'ahc' driver appears to deal with it somehow and continue to operate. The 'sym' driver just gives up. Can anyone explain what is going on? Is there an easy fix for the 'sym' driver that I'm missing? -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | For Great Justice! | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Mar 1 5:35:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (fw-rl0.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D610337B41B; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 05:35:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g21DZ1G47461; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:35:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from sos) From: Søren Schmidt Message-Id: <200203011335.g21DZ1G47461@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches In-Reply-To: <20020301145529.A93229@iclub.nsu.ru> To: Max Khon Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:35:01 +0100 (CET) Cc: Kenneth Culver , "Kenneth D. Merry" , Julian Elischer , Thomas Quinot , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: sos@freebsd.dk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL94b (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It seems Max Khon wrote: > On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 09:58:00PM +0100, S?ren Schmidt wrote: > > > > > Hmm, why do we need to add new layers and loss of functionality > > > > to the ATAPI devices ? > > > > > > Many many many people would like to be able to use cdrecord to burn data > > > to cd's so that all the front-ends to cdrecord will work. It's much nicer > > > than memorizing mkisofs commandline switches :-) > > > > Hmm, cdrecord can be used with the ATAPI sunsystem as it is, I did > > patches for this long ago, but noone picked it up as a port... > > what about cdrdao? Since cdrdao uses the cdrecord backend (at least it did last time I looked), that should be an easy one... -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Mar 1 6:45:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from tara.freenix.org (keltia.freenix.org [62.4.20.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3279637B41A; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 06:45:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by tara.freenix.org (Postfix/TLS, from userid 101) id D5BB72AB0; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:45:23 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:45:23 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches Message-ID: <20020301144523.GA15284@tara.freenix.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org References: <20020228192251.A45729@melusine.cuivre.fr.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020228192251.A45729@melusine.cuivre.fr.eu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.26i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT K6-3D/266 & 2x PIII/800 SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Thomas Quinot: > is one known pending issue with this code: on *some* machines, > patched kernels hang at boot time, immediately after registering Thomas knows it already but I'd to mention that one of these machines is a dual PIII/800 running 4.4-STABLE/SMP. I haven't tried the patch recently but will do soon. I wasn't able to give a backtrace as DDB is not reachable when the machine hangs. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 5.0-CURRENT #80: Sun Jun 4 22:44:19 CEST 2000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Mar 1 8: 9: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mail.uct.ac.za (mail.uct.ac.za [137.158.128.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16EF537B402 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:06:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from rvd.its.uct.ac.za ([137.158.26.91] helo=pcbytehaven) by mail.uct.ac.za with smtp (Exim 3.33 #4) id 16gpZz-000MVa-00 for freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 18:08:19 +0200 Message-ID: <007a01c1c13a$fce5d830$5b1a9e89@pcbytehaven> Reply-To: "Rodger Duffett" From: "Rodger Duffett" To: Subject: Wired scsi devices Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:06:03 +0200 Organization: University of Cape Town MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Helo, I am unable to get wired scsi devices to work. Problem description is the same as that posted to this list in Sep 2001. I applied the patch describ by Justin Gibbs, however as for the original poster it did not work. General problem description: After recompiling the kernel with wired devices duplicate wired devices are listed. The kernel then loads the devices that are supposed to be wired at higher device numbers. e.g. If da0 da1 da2 da3 are wired in the kernel to scbus0 target 108 unit 0 and unit xxx etc they are detected during boot as da4 and da5. da0 is also deteced but da6 not. It is important for this install to use wired devices as all the drives are mounted from a SAN. The LUNS defined on the SAN may change with time so for an added measure of safety I wish to wire a particular device to its associated LUN. I hope there is a simple solution :-) Cheerio Rodger University of Cape Town Some specifics: 4.5-RELEASE-p1 snip from conf device ispfw # Qlogic firmware driver device isp # Qlogic family device isp0 # SCSI peripherals device scbus # SCSI bus (required) device scbus0 at isp0 device da0 at scbus0 target 108 unit 3 device da1 at scbus0 target 108 unit 101 device da2 at scbus0 target 108 unit 102 device da3 at scbus0 target 108 unit 512 device da # Disk device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) device cd # CD device pass # Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) snip from logs showing error Mar 1 14:05:11 eowyn /kernel: acd0: CDROM at ata0-master using PIO4 Mar 1 14:05:11 eowyn /kernel: (da0:isp0:0:108:0): Duplicate Wired Device entry! Mar 1 14:05:11 eowyn /kernel: (da0:isp0:0:108:0): Second device (da device at scbus0 target 108 lun 1) will not be wired Mar 1 14:05:11 eowyn /kernel: (da0:isp0:0:108:0): Duplicate Wired Device entry! Mar 1 14:05:11 eowyn /kernel: (da0:isp0:0:108:0): Second device (da device at scbus0 target 108 lun 3) will not be wired Mar 1 14:05:11 eowyn /kernel: da0 at isp0 bus 0 target 108 lun 0 Mar 1 14:05:11 eowyn /kernel: da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device Mar 1 14:05:11 eowyn /kernel: da0: 100.000MB/s transfers, Tagged Queueing Enabled Mar 1 14:05:11 eowyn /kernel: da0: 20MB (40960 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 20C) Mar 1 14:05:11 eowyn /kernel: Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da2s1a Mar 1 14:05:11 eowyn /kernel: da4 at isp0 bus 0 target 108 lun 1 Mar 1 14:05:11 eowyn /kernel: da4: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device Mar 1 14:05:11 eowyn /kernel: da4: 100.000MB/s transfers, Tagged Queueing Enabled Mar 1 14:05:11 eowyn /kernel: da4: 204800MB (419430400 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 26108C) Mar 1 14:05:11 eowyn /kernel: da5 at isp0 bus 0 target 108 lun 3 Mar 1 14:05:11 eowyn /kernel: da5: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device Mar 1 14:05:11 eowyn /kernel: da5: 100.000MB/s transfers, Tagged Queueing Enabled Mar 1 14:05:11 eowyn /kernel: da5: 10240MB (20971520 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1305C) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Mar 1 12:20:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A455737B402 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:20:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id VAA05525 for freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:20:03 +0100 (CET) Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g21KF1272003; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:15:01 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from j) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:15:01 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200203012015.g21KF1272003@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.1 Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Organization: Private BSD site, Dresden X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E References: <20020301042234.N21724-100000@sasami.jurai.net> From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Subject: Re: SCSI driver problem: 'sym' fails, 'ahc' works. X-Original-Newsgroups: local.freebsd.scsi To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Matthew N. Dodd" wrote: > When the drives are plugged into the 'sym' channel: > > (probe0:sym1:0:0:0): extraneous data discarded. > (probe0:sym1:0:0:0): COMMAND FAILED (87 0 1). > (probe0:sym1:0:0:0): ODD transfer in DATA IN phase. > (probe0:sym1:0:0:0): COMMAND FAILED (87 0 10). > ... (repeated a few times) A fellow here recently had the same problem with a couple of Quantum (ick!) drives. They worked on an Adaptec-160 controller, but failed with an odd transfer on sym. Apparently the sym driver is more picky about it, while ahc could work around the condition. He ended up in upgrading the drive's firmware, which solved the problem. -- cheers, J"org .-.-. --... ...-- -.. . DL8DTL http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Mar 2 16:20:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from po3.wam.umd.edu (po3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B6637B419; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:20:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from rac3.wam.umd.edu (IDENT:root@rac3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.143]) by po3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18051; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:20:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from rac3.wam.umd.edu (IDENT:sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA02715; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:20:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (culverk@localhost) by rac3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02711; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:20:41 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: rac3.wam.umd.edu: culverk owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:20:41 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth Wayne Culver To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: scsi problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm running FreeBSD-CURRENT on one of my machines at home, and I have 2 SCSI devices on the same cable on my machine. Basically the scsi card detects them, but FreeBSD only sees one of them. I'm not sure what info would be good to send, or if this is some kind of known bug in FreeBSD. Can anyone help? Ken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Mar 2 16:28:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0873A37B402; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:28:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g230SPe98511; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 17:28:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ken) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 17:28:25 -0700 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Kenneth Wayne Culver Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: scsi problems Message-ID: <20020302172825.A98467@panzer.kdm.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from culverk@wam.umd.edu on Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 07:20:41PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 19:20:41 -0500, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: > I'm running FreeBSD-CURRENT on one of my machines at home, and I have 2 > SCSI devices on the same cable on my machine. Basically the scsi card > detects them, but FreeBSD only sees one of them. I'm not sure what info > would be good to send, or if this is some kind of known bug in > FreeBSD. Can anyone help? - what kind of card is it? - what kinds of devices are they? - is your bus terminated properly? - do the devices have unique IDs? - send dmesg information. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Mar 2 16:39:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from russian-caravan.cloud9.net (russian-caravan.cloud9.net [168.100.1.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990C237B402; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:39:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from earl-grey.cloud9.net (earl-grey.cloud9.net [168.100.1.1]) by russian-caravan.cloud9.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FDC28BD1; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:39:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:39:30 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Leftwich X-X-Sender: To: Cc: Kenneth Wayne Culver , Subject: Re: scsi problems [device x?] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020302192603.R80295-100000@earl-grey.cloud9.net> Organization: Video2Video Services - http://Www.Video2Video.Com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello list(s)! I am new to FreeBSD administration (free from Microsoft's tyranny since Feb 6th 2002 after Win98SR1 choked on a freshly-installed FireWire card, and a FreeBSD 4.5 sysadmin since Feb 16th 2002 when I accidentally upgraded from 4.3 without first backing up utmp...) but a long time UNIX user. I tried to find a lead if not an answer for Mr. Culver. In doing "man scsi" I was reminded of a question that I had, well two really: SCSI(4) FreeBSD Kernel Interfaces Manual NAME SCSI, CAM - CAM SCSI subsystem SYNOPSIS device scbus device scbus1 at ahc0 [snip] device da [1] When manpages refer to a line of text saying "device pcm0" or whatever, where do they intend for you to enter that text, i.e. in which file? [2] I feel I am using a generic "PnP" kernel, and would like info on how to recompile (rebuild?) the kernel to only load what is pertinent to my system, help? Is this difficult, and does it involve cc/gcc/build? :( Thanks everyone, sorry to ramble so! -- Peter Leftwich President & Founder Video2Video Services Box 13692, La Jolla, CA, 92039 USA +1-413-403-9555 On Sat, 2 Mar 2002, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: > Return-Path: > Received: from mail1.registeredsite.com (mail1.registeredsite.com > [64.224.9.10]) > by russian-caravan.cloud9.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E41F128B53 > for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:21:07 -0500 (EST) > Received: from mail.video2video.com (mail.video2video.com [209.35.10.22]) > by mail1.registeredsite.com (8.11.6/8.11.4) with ESMTP id > g230L7g30442 > for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:21:07 -0500 > Received: from mx2.freebsd.org [209.35.10.22] by mail.video2video.com > (SMTPD32-6.06) id AC732F400A6; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 19:21:07 -0500 > Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.18]) > by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP > id 9017F5593A; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:20:53 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG) > Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 538) > id 44C6B37B405; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:20:46 -0800 (PST) > Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP > id 427BD2E808B; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:20:46 -0800 (PST) > Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, > 2 Mar 2002 16:20:46 -0800 > Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Received: from po3.wam.umd.edu (po3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.165]) > by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP > id A1B6637B419; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:20:42 -0800 (PST) > Received: from rac3.wam.umd.edu (IDENT:root@rac3.wam.umd.edu > [128.8.10.143]) > by po3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18051; > Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:20:41 -0500 (EST) > Received: from rac3.wam.umd.edu (IDENT:sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by rac3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA02715; > Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:20:41 -0500 (EST) > Received: from localhost (culverk@localhost) > by rac3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02711; > Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:20:41 -0500 (EST) > X-Authentication-Warning: rac3.wam.umd.edu: culverk owned process doing > -bs > Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:20:41 -0500 (EST) > From: Kenneth Wayne Culver > To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: scsi problems > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > List-ID: > List-Archive: (Web Archive) > List-Help: (List Instructions) > List-Subscribe: > > List-Unsubscribe: > > X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Precedence: bulk > > I'm running FreeBSD-CURRENT on one of my machines at home, and I have 2 SCSI devices on the same cable on my machine. Basically the scsi card detects them, but FreeBSD only sees one of them. I'm not sure what info would be good to send, or if this is some kind of known bug in FreeBSD. Can anyone help? > Ken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Mar 2 18:18:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F4037B402; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:18:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from rac1.wam.umd.edu (IDENT:root@rac1.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.141]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09278; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 21:18:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from rac1.wam.umd.edu (IDENT:sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac1.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA06055; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 21:18:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (culverk@localhost) by rac1.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06051; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 21:18:08 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: rac1.wam.umd.edu: culverk owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 21:18:08 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth Wayne Culver To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: scsi problems In-Reply-To: <20020302172825.A98467@panzer.kdm.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > - what kind of card is it? ahc0: port 0xf800-0xf8ff mem 0xfedfb000-0xfedfbfff irq 16 at device 9.0 on pci0 aic7895: Ultra Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 32/255 SCBs > - what kinds of devices are they? IBM DCAS-34330W S65A The two hard drives are this same type. > - is your bus terminated properly? yes it is as far as I know. When I hit ctrl-a for the scsi setup before FreeBSD boots, it sees both drives, and I can verify them and low-level format them both. > - do the devices have unique IDs? one drive is id 0 and the other is id 6 > - send dmesg information. here is my dmesg: Copyright (c) 1992-2002 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 5.0-20020302-CURRENT #0: Sat Mar 2 18:55:29 EST 2002 culverk@alpha.yumyumyum.org:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/MYKERNEL Preloaded elf kernel "/boot/kernel/kernel" at 0xc0342000. Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium II/Pentium II Xeon/Celeron (333.06-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x652 Stepping = 2 Features=0x183fbff real memory = 134217728 (131072K bytes) avail memory = 127111168 (124132K bytes) Programming 24 pins in IOAPIC #0 IOAPIC #0 intpin 2 -> irq 0 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 1, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 cpu1 (AP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 io0 (APIC): apic id: 2, version: 0x00170011, at 0xfec00000 Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled Using $PIR table, 9 entries at 0xc00fdf20 npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: at pcibus 0 on motherboard IOAPIC #0 intpin 19 -> irq 2 IOAPIC #0 intpin 17 -> irq 16 pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 isab0: at device 2.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xfcb0-0xfcbf at device 2.1 on pci0ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 pci0: at device 2.2 (no driver attached) Timecounter "PIIX" frequency 3579545 Hz pci0: at device 2.3 (no driver attached) fxp0: port 0xfcc0-0xfcdf mem 0xfeb00000-0xfebfffff,0xfedf9000-0xfedf9fff irq 2 at device 3.0 on pci0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:a0:c9:82:e2:b8 inphy0: on miibus0 inphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto ukphy0: on miibus0 ukphy0: 100baseT4, auto ahc0: port 0xf800-0xf8ff mem 0xfedfb000-0xfedfbfff irq 16 at device 9.0 on pci0 aic7895: Ultra Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 32/255 SCBs ahc1: port 0xf400-0xf4ff mem 0xfedfa000-0xfedfafff irq 16 at device 9.1 on pci0 aic7895: Ultra Wide Channel B, SCSI Id=7, 32/255 SCBs pci0: at device 13.0 (no driver attached) pcib2: at device 15.0 on pci0 IOAPIC #0 intpin 16 -> irq 17 pci2: on pcib2 de0: port 0xec00-0xec7f mem 0xfdfff800-0xfdfff87f irq 2 at device 4.0 on pci2 de0: SMC 9332BDT 21140A [10-100Mb/s] pass 2.0 de0: address 00:00:c0:8f:e5:f9 de1: port 0xe880-0xe8ff mem 0xfdfff400-0xfdfff47f irq 17 at device 5.0 on pci2 de1: SMC 9332BDT 21140A [10-100Mb/s] pass 2.0 de1: address 00:00:c0:8e:e5:f9 orm0: