From owner-freebsd-small Sun Nov 3 13: 9:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F4C37B401 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 13:09:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cruzio.com (dsl3-63-249-66-221.cruzio.com [63.249.66.221]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FCD343E97 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 13:09:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brucem@mail.cruzio.com) Received: (from brucem@localhost) by mail.cruzio.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id gA3Lfnd00489; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 13:41:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brucem) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 13:41:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Bruce R. Montague" Message-Id: <200211032141.gA3Lfnd00489@mail.cruzio.com> To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org, rizzo@icir.org Subject: picobsd script fails under 5.0-current (old newfs -p opt) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The current CVS picobsd script ("/usr/src/release/picobsd/build/picobsd") uses a newfs "-p" option that is no longer supported in 5.0-current. The picobsd script exits with the error: "newfs: illegal option -- p" Under 4.x the newfs man page noted "-p" is "of historical importance only." It specifies reserved bad block sectors at the end of each track. Is this still necessary for 4.x systems? Was it primarily an attempt to use all the space on the floppy? Fix for 5.0-current: In the "picobsd" script file, delete the 2 occurences of "-p 0" on the newfs command line. Here is a diff: ---------- --- /usr/src/release/picobsd/build/picobsd Sun Jul 14 05:07:06 2002 +++ picobsd Sun Nov 3 12:10:37 2002 @@ -536,7 +536,7 @@ else disklabel -rw ${l_vndev} auto || fail $? mfs_disklabel fi - newfs -i ${mfs_inodes} -m 0 -p 0 -o space -f 512 -b 4096 \ + newfs -i ${mfs_inodes} -m 0 -o space -f 512 -b 4096 \ /dev/${l_vndev}c > /dev/null mount /dev/${l_vndev}c ${c_mnt} || fail $? no_mount log "`df /dev/${l_vndev}c`" @@ -802,7 +802,7 @@ disklabel -R ${l_vndev} /dev/stdin log "Newfs floppy image" - newfs -i ${fd_inodes} -m 0 -p 0 -o space -f 512 -b 4096 \ + newfs -i ${fd_inodes} -m 0 -o space -f 512 -b 4096 \ /dev/${l_vndev}a > /dev/null log "Mounting floppy image" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Nov 3 23:53:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC27D37B401 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 23:53:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from power.connexus.net.au (power.connexus.net.au [203.12.22.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE05A43E7B for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 23:53:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrewdean@connexus.net.au) Received: from andrew17548 ([203.34.175.48]) by power.connexus.net.au (8.12.4/8.11.6) with SMTP id gA47qfkW026851 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:52:41 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from andrewdean@connexus.net.au) XAntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses via the Connexus Internet Service Message-ID: <001101c283d7$20f29010$30af22cb@andrew17548> From: "Andrew Dean" To: Subject: PicoBSD boot problems? Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:52:30 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hey.. I've been messing around with picoBSD for the last couple of days and got an image built that i liked, and it was working fine both writing it to a hard drive and to a floppy. Both boot on machine A Both boot on machine B Neither floppy or hard drive will boot on machine C or D. On Machine C it gets to "Uncompressing...done" then reboots On Machine D it gets to same place "Uncompressing...done" then just sits there... I tried a few different picoBSD images, my own and the bridge one and even built a generic kernel with one... same thing .. Machine A = p3 700 128meg ram Machine B = Laptop p3 650 256meg ram Machine C = Old desktop p200 64meg ram Machine D = Old Laptop p133 24meg ram Any ideas? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 4 1:22:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2774E37B401 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 01:22:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from power.connexus.net.au (power.connexus.net.au [203.12.22.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EAB43E77 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 01:22:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrewdean@connexus.net.au) Received: from connexus.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by power.connexus.net.au (8.12.4/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA49LikW050440 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:21:44 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from andrewdean@connexus.net.au) XAntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses via the Connexus Internet Service From: "Andrew Dean" To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Reply-To: andrewdean@connexus.net.au Subject: Re: PicoBSD boot problems? Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:21:44 +1000 Message-Id: <20021104092144.M16756@connexus.net.au> X-Mailer: Connexus MailWeb 1.71 20020827 X-OriginatingIP: ::ffff:150.101.208.187 (andrewdean) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Forgot to report the images were built from 4.7-STABLE -- Connexus Internet Service Australia-wide (Toll-free: 1300 133 888) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 4 8:47:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA5637B401 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:47:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cruzio.com (dsl3-63-249-66-221.cruzio.com [63.249.66.221]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3171E43E75 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:47:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brucem@mail.cruzio.com) Received: (from brucem@localhost) by mail.cruzio.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id gA4HJiU00556; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:19:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brucem) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:19:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Bruce R. Montague" Message-Id: <200211041719.gA4HJiU00556@mail.cruzio.com> To: andrewdean@connexus.net.au, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PicoBSD boot problems? Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Re: > On Machine C it gets to "Uncompressing...done" then reboots ... Was the FreeBSD 4.7 from a current CVS or a Release? Has FreeBSD ever run on the machines that do not boot? Are you running the same config on all 4 machines, or have you tailored the configs (devices, etc.) to the machines? What are the BIOSes? > Any ideas? Just now I have a slightly similar problem with PicoBSD under 5.0-current that seems to be due to a recent patch to src/sys/i386/i386/machdep.c in "getmemsize()": "Change method to determine base memory size. Try INT 15H/E820H first, then fall back to the old compatibility method (INT 12H). This is a workaround for newer machines which have broken INT 12H BIOS service implementation." It looks like this was also recently MFC'd to 4.7. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/i386/i386/machdep.c The new scheme seems to break something wrt a NatSemi XpressROM BIOS :) - bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 4 14:47:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E861237B401 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:47:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from power.connexus.net.au (power.connexus.net.au [203.12.22.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E1543E75 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:47:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrewdean@connexus.net.au) Received: from andrew17548 ([203.34.175.48]) by power.connexus.net.au (8.12.4/8.11.6) with SMTP id gA4MjgkW038386; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:45:43 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from andrewdean@connexus.net.au) XAntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses via the Connexus Internet Service Message-ID: <001f01c28453$e249e200$30af22cb@andrew17548> From: "Andrew Dean" To: "Bruce R. Montague" , References: <200211041719.gA4HJiU00556@mail.cruzio.com> Subject: Re: PicoBSD boot problems? Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:45:32 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks Bruce, I think i've figured it out, But can't try it till i get home... The 2 machines it is working on are p3's.. the 2 that it doesn't are p1's... the kernel has all the cputypes's in there but i have a "CPUTYPE=i686" in my make.conf which im guessing is the problem... Can't test it till i get home but this is my guess at the moment. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce R. Montague" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:19 AM Subject: Re: PicoBSD boot problems? > > Re: > > > On Machine C it gets to "Uncompressing...done" then reboots ... > > Was the FreeBSD 4.7 from a current CVS or a Release? > Has FreeBSD ever run on the machines that do not boot? > Are you running the same config on all 4 machines, or > have you tailored the configs (devices, etc.) to the > machines? > What are the BIOSes? > > > > Any ideas? > > Just now I have a slightly similar problem with > PicoBSD under 5.0-current that seems to be due to > a recent patch to src/sys/i386/i386/machdep.c > in "getmemsize()": > > "Change method to determine base memory size. > Try INT 15H/E820H first, then fall back to the old compatibility > method (INT 12H). > This is a workaround for newer machines which have broken INT 12H BIOS > service implementation." > > It looks like this was also recently MFC'd to 4.7. > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/i386/i386/machdep.c > > The new scheme seems to break something wrt > a NatSemi XpressROM BIOS :) > > - bruce > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 4 20:53:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F73237B401 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:53:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from power.connexus.net.au (power.connexus.net.au [203.12.22.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681F843E6E for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:53:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrewdean@connexus.net.au) Received: from andrew17548 ([203.34.175.48]) by power.connexus.net.au (8.12.4/8.11.6) with SMTP id gA54q7kW073067 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:52:08 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from andrewdean@connexus.net.au) XAntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses via the Connexus Internet Service Message-ID: <008301c28487$12622af0$30af22cb@andrew17548> From: "Andrew Dean" To: References: <200211041719.gA4HJiU00556@mail.cruzio.com> Subject: shutting down hard drive? Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:51:57 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This probably isn't the rihgt place to ask but guess it can't hurt.. anyone know how i can shut down or turn off a hard drive that i'm using to boot the picoBSD image with, as i dont want it to be used after its been booted (save hard drive life) Any ideas besides unplugging it? Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 4 22:44: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6662B37B401 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:44:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from is2.mh.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (is2.mh.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.205.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0D543E75 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:44:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tamaru@myn.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: from is2.mh.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (is2.mh.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp [127.0.0.1]) by is2.mh.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C67C3780DB for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:43:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from mailhosting.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (IDENT:mirapoint@mailhosting.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.205.3]) by is2.mh.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gA56hx018653; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:43:59 +0900 Received: from gin.myn.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp (cognac.myn.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp [157.82.66.106]) by mailhosting.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 2.9.3.2) with ESMTP id AHH41258; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:43:58 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:44:12 +0900 Message-ID: From: Hiroharu Tamaru To: "Andrew Dean" Cc: Subject: Re: shutting down hard drive? In-Reply-To: <008301c28487$12622af0$30af22cb@andrew17548> References: <200211041719.gA4HJiU00556@mail.cruzio.com> <008301c28487$12622af0$30af22cb@andrew17548> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.8.1 (Something) Emacs/21.2 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.4 - "Hosorogi") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, At Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:51:57 +1100, Andrew Dean wrote: > > This probably isn't the rihgt place to ask but guess it can't hurt.. anyone > know how i can shut down or turn off a hard drive that i'm using to boot the > picoBSD image with, as i dont want it to be used after its been booted (save > hard drive life) > > Any ideas besides unplugging it? > > Andrew Is this what you are looking for? SCSI: camcontrol stop ... ATA: Subject: Re: ATA idle spindown patch. Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:16:02 -0700 From: Scott Renfro To: JT Cc: Nick Sayer , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=256787+262550+/usr/local/www/db/text/2001/freebsd-mobile/20010826.freebsd-mobile -- Hiroharu Tamaru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 4 22:51:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1710C37B401 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:51:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from power.connexus.net.au (power.connexus.net.au [203.12.22.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D5543E3B for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:51:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrewdean@connexus.net.au) Received: from andrew17548 ([203.34.175.48]) by power.connexus.net.au (8.12.4/8.11.6) with SMTP id gA56oYkW013954; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:50:34 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from andrewdean@connexus.net.au) XAntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses via the Connexus Internet Service Message-ID: <008901c28497$9d2f0df0$30af22cb@andrew17548> From: "Andrew Dean" To: "Hiroharu Tamaru" Cc: References: <200211041719.gA4HJiU00556@mail.cruzio.com><008301c28487$12622af0$30af22cb@andrew17548> Subject: Re: shutting down hard drive? Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:50:22 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hmm Could be, Although I'm not tosure how to actually get it working... my sysctl doesn't seem to have a hw.ata.suspend ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hiroharu Tamaru" To: "Andrew Dean" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:44 PM Subject: Re: shutting down hard drive? > Hi, > > At Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:51:57 +1100, > Andrew Dean wrote: > > > > This probably isn't the rihgt place to ask but guess it can't hurt.. anyone > > know how i can shut down or turn off a hard drive that i'm using to boot the > > picoBSD image with, as i dont want it to be used after its been booted (save > > hard drive life) > > > > Any ideas besides unplugging it? > > > > Andrew > > Is this what you are looking for? > > SCSI: camcontrol stop ... > ATA: > > Subject: Re: ATA idle spindown patch. > Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:16:02 -0700 > From: Scott Renfro > To: JT > Cc: Nick Sayer , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=256787+262550+/usr/local/www/db/ text/2001/freebsd-mobile/20010826.freebsd-mobile > > -- > Hiroharu Tamaru > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 4 23: 4:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1869537B401 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:04:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from is2.mh.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (is2.mh.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.205.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D4B43E4A for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:04:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tamaru@myn.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: from is2.mh.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (is2.mh.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp [127.0.0.1]) by is2.mh.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD193780DB for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:04:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from mailhosting.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (IDENT:mirapoint@mailhosting.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.205.3]) by is2.mh.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gA574p020119; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:04:51 +0900 Received: from gin.myn.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp (cognac.myn.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp [157.82.66.106]) by mailhosting.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 2.9.3.2) with ESMTP id AHH41600; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:04:50 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:05:04 +0900 Message-ID: From: Hiroharu Tamaru To: "Andrew Dean" Cc: "Hiroharu Tamaru" , Subject: Re: shutting down hard drive? In-Reply-To: <008901c28497$9d2f0df0$30af22cb@andrew17548> References: <200211041719.gA4HJiU00556@mail.cruzio.com> <008301c28487$12622af0$30af22cb@andrew17548> <008901c28497$9d2f0df0$30af22cb@andrew17548> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.8.1 (Something) Emacs/21.2 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.4 - "Hosorogi") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You definitely would need to apply the patch in there to get the MIB. I don't know if it patches cleanly to a now-a-days source. By the way, on some machines/FreeBSD-versions, just setting in the BIOS to spin down the HDD (usually in power menu) worked. You aren't touching the disk after the boot (by unmounting it or other), right? At Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:50:22 +1100, Andrew Dean wrote: > > Hmm Could be, Although I'm not tosure how to actually get it working... my > sysctl doesn't seem to have a hw.ata.suspend -- Hiroharu Tamaru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 4 23:11:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4975B37B401 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:11:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from power.connexus.net.au (power.connexus.net.au [203.12.22.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5480F43E42 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:11:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrewdean@CONNEXUS.NET.AU) Received: from andrew17548 ([203.34.175.48]) by power.connexus.net.au (8.12.4/8.11.6) with SMTP id gA579dkW019918; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:09:39 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from andrewdean@connexus.net.au) XAntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses via the Connexus Internet Service Message-ID: <009501c2849a$4748d260$30af22cb@andrew17548> From: "Andrew Dean" To: "Hiroharu Tamaru" Cc: "Hiroharu Tamaru" , References: <200211041719.gA4HJiU00556@mail.cruzio.com><008301c28487$12622af0$30af22cb@andrew17548><008901c28497$9d2f0df0$30af22cb@andrew17548> Subject: Re: shutting down hard drive? Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:09:27 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yeah i was just looking at the source, woudl picoBSD pick this up? Its an old laptop that has no setting in the bios to spin down the hard drive :( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hiroharu Tamaru" To: "Andrew Dean" Cc: "Hiroharu Tamaru" ; Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:05 PM Subject: Re: shutting down hard drive? > You definitely would need to apply the patch in there to get the MIB. > I don't know if it patches cleanly to a now-a-days source. > > By the way, on some machines/FreeBSD-versions, just setting in the > BIOS to spin down the HDD (usually in power menu) worked. You aren't > touching the disk after the boot (by unmounting it or other), right? > > At Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:50:22 +1100, > Andrew Dean wrote: > > > > Hmm Could be, Although I'm not tosure how to actually get it working... my > > sysctl doesn't seem to have a hw.ata.suspend > > -- > Hiroharu Tamaru > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Nov 5 3:32:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB5B37B401 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 03:32:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from power.connexus.net.au (power.connexus.net.au [203.12.22.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF0D43E3B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 03:32:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrewdean@connexus.net.au) Received: from connexus.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by power.connexus.net.au (8.12.4/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA5BWfkW007448; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:32:41 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from andrewdean@connexus.net.au) XAntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses via the Connexus Internet Service From: "Andrew Dean" To: brucem@mail.cruzio.com;, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG; Reply-To: andrewdean@connexus.net.au Subject: picobsd script fails under 5.0-current (old newfs -p opt) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:32:41 +1000 Message-Id: <20021105113241.M76846@connexus.net.au> X-Mailer: Connexus MailWeb 1.71 20020827 X-OriginatingIP: ::ffff:150.101.209.205 (andrewdean) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Again Bruce and others.. I cvsuped to 5.0-CURRENT and tried the script, i get it failing before this... ===== ---> We'll use the sources living in /usr/src make: no target to make. "/usr/src/Makefile.inc1", line 140: warning: "make -f /dev/null - m /usr/src/share/mk CPUTYPE=i386 -V CPUTYPE" returned non-zero status make: no target to make. "/usr/src/Makefile.inc1", line 140: warning: "make -f /dev/null - m /usr/src/share/mk CPUTYPE=i386 -V CPUTYPE" returned non-zero status ======== then it goes on to say ==== ---> fail: Error <1> error code in <> Error: you must build PICOBSD kernel first ---> Aborting ./picobsd ======== I also can't get it to build on 4.6-release it bombs out on ifconfig I've managed to build some images and boot them from 4.7-stable but on my laptop it gets to mounting the root from the md0c (i think?) and then just hangs... I've downloaded a few images such as one from the bottom of this page : http://www.station-server.com/downloads.php and they work on this laptop, it loads the root device fine from the memory.. so i dunno.. any tips would be appreciated. -- Connexus Internet Service Australia-wide (Toll-free: 1300 133 888) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Nov 5 18:29: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB94237B401 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:29:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cruzio.com (dsl3-63-249-66-221.cruzio.com [63.249.66.221]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B89043E6E for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:29:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brucem@mail.cruzio.com) Received: (from brucem@localhost) by mail.cruzio.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id gA631DU02226; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:01:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brucem) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:01:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Bruce R. Montague" Message-Id: <200211060301.gA631DU02226@mail.cruzio.com> To: bms@spc.org, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG, rizzo@icir.org Subject: Patch to remove perl from picobsd script Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD-current no longer includes perl in the base installation. However, the picobsd script currently uses perl - as of sometime recent - to binary-edit the "/boot/boot2" boot-track file so as not to try to locate/load the 3rd stage "/boot/loader" at boot-time - it replaces this with "/kernel". Using the same technique that was used to eliminate "write_mfs_in_kernel.c" from the picobsd script, the "boot2" boot-blocks can be updated directly using the "strings" and "dd" utilities as shown in the 2nd patch in the following: --- /usr/src/release/picobsd/build/picobsd Sun Jul 14 12:07:06 2002 +++ picobsd Tue Nov 5 18:46:57 2002 @@ -536,7 +536,7 @@ else disklabel -rw ${l_vndev} auto || fail $? mfs_disklabel fi - newfs -i ${mfs_inodes} -m 0 -p 0 -o space -f 512 -b 4096 \ + newfs -i ${mfs_inodes} -m 0 -o space -f 512 -b 4096 \ /dev/${l_vndev}c > /dev/null mount /dev/${l_vndev}c ${c_mnt} || fail $? no_mount log "`df /dev/${l_vndev}c`" @@ -791,7 +791,11 @@ log "Labeling floppy image" b2=${BUILDDIR}/boot2 # modified boot2 - perl -pne 's/\/boot\/loader/\/kernel\0\0\0\0\0/' ${c_boot2} > ${b2} + cp ${c_boot2} ${b2} + chmod 0644 ${b2} + set `strings -at d ${b2} | grep "/boot/loader"` + echo -e "/kernel\0\0\0\0\0" | dd of=${b2} obs=$1 oseek=1 conv=notrunc + chmod 0444 ${b2} # create a disklabel ... disklabel -Brw -b ${c_boot1} -s ${b2} ${l_vndev} auto || \ @@ -802,7 +806,7 @@ disklabel -R ${l_vndev} /dev/stdin log "Newfs floppy image" - newfs -i ${fd_inodes} -m 0 -p 0 -o space -f 512 -b 4096 \ + newfs -i ${fd_inodes} -m 0 -o space -f 512 -b 4096 \ /dev/${l_vndev}a > /dev/null log "Mounting floppy image" I'd recommend something similar to this patch to eliminate the need for perl; it wasn't required in earlier picobsd script versions, and on a small, slow machine, it's nice to need as little as possible. And POLA and all that... Does this look robust? Regards, - bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Nov 5 18:39:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A45137B404 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:39:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cruzio.com (dsl3-63-249-66-221.cruzio.com [63.249.66.221]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD3943E42 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:39:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brucem@mail.cruzio.com) Received: (from brucem@localhost) by mail.cruzio.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id gA63Bsv02284; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:11:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brucem) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:11:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Bruce R. Montague" Message-Id: <200211060311.gA63Bsv02284@mail.cruzio.com> To: bms@spc.org, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG, rizzo@icir.org Subject: re: Patch to remove perl from picobsd script Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry, I should have added that I have been using without difficulty the patch in the previous message to replace perl with strings/dd in the picobsd script. - bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Nov 6 1:20: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F156137B404 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:20:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85BE043E3B for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:20:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA69K3x3093280 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:20:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA69K36K093279; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:20:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:20:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211060920.gA69K36K093279@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: "Simon L. Nielsen" Subject: Re: misc/28938: PicoBSD - An update to the build script to add new features Reply-To: "Simon L. Nielsen" Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The following reply was made to PR misc/28938; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: misc/28938: PicoBSD - An update to the build script to add new features Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:19:27 +0100 Hello This PR can be closed since the important parts if this PR has already been included in PicoBSD, and the other parts doesn't really matter that much. -- Simon L. Nielsen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Nov 7 19:24:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C85537B401 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:24:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cruzio.com (dsl3-63-249-66-221.cruzio.com [63.249.66.221]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89AEB43E3B for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:24:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brucem@mail.cruzio.com) Received: (from brucem@localhost) by mail.cruzio.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id gA83ulV00672 for freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:56:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brucem) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:56:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Bruce R. Montague" Message-Id: <200211080356.gA83ulV00672@mail.cruzio.com> To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Making 5.0 picobsd floppies ("bridge" patches) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The picobsd "bridge" reference config doesn't build under 5.0-current due to config file syntax changes (in addition to the picobsd script not working as-is because it uses the now-unsupported "-p" newfs argument). With the following patches to the bridge PICOBSD and crunch.conf files, a 5.0-current picobsd floppy can be built (at 99% floppy capacity). The patch as shown may not be what you really want to do, because it simply removes ssh, which may not be desirable. However, this does provides a picobsd configuration that builds a bootable floppy-image... It may be useful to have such a config as a "starting point". Patches below are the following: - Required patches to /usr/src/release/picobsd/bridge/PICOBSD - Required patches to /usr/src/release/picobsd/bridge/crunch.conf - Optional crunch.conf patches to remove warnings. =========================================================== Required patches to /usr/src/release/picobsd/bridge/PICOBSD --- /usr/src/release/picobsd/bridge/PICOBSD Sun Mar 10 13:10:25 2002 +++ PICOBSD Thu Nov 7 18:21:21 2002 @@ -30,6 +30,7 @@ #options DEVFS #Device Filesystem #options PROCFS #Process filesystem options COMPAT_43 #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] +options COMPAT_FREEBSD4 #Keep for pico for now. #options DDB @@ -56,7 +57,7 @@ #options ATA_STATIC_ID #Static device numbering # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse -device atkbdc 1 # At keyboard controller +device atkbdc # At keyboard controller device atkbd #device psm # do we need the mouse ?? @@ -64,7 +65,7 @@ # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console -device sc 1 +device sc # Floating point support - do not disable. device npx =============================================================== Required patches to /usr/src/release/picobsd/bridge/crunch.conf --- /usr/src/release/picobsd/bridge/crunch.conf Fri Aug 23 20:33:31 2002 +++ crunch.conf Thu Nov 7 18:29:19 2002 @@ -167,16 +167,16 @@ # Check the ssh license! If you want to use this, # go to /usr/ports/security/ssh-picobsd, do a make extract configure # You also need to install /usr/ports/math/libgmp-freebsd -progs sshd # includes ssh and scp -special sshd objvar SSHD_OBJS -special sshd srcdir /usr/ports/picobsd/ssh-picobsd/work/ssh-1.2.27 -special sshd objdir /usr/ports/picobsd/ssh-picobsd/work/ssh-1.2.27 -ln sshd ssh -ln sshd ssh1 -ln sshd scp +#progs sshd # includes ssh and scp +#special sshd objvar SSHD_OBJS +#special sshd srcdir /usr/ports/picobsd/ssh-picobsd/work/ssh-1.2.27 +#special sshd objdir /usr/ports/picobsd/ssh-picobsd/work/ssh-1.2.27 +#ln sshd ssh +#ln sshd ssh1 +#ln sshd scp ### ee uses ncurses instead of curses libs -ledit -lutil -lmd -lcrypt -lmp -lm -lkvm -libs /usr/local/lib/libgmp.a +#libs /usr/local/lib/libgmp.a libs -lmytinfo -lipx -lz -lpcap -lwrap libs -ltermcap -lgnuregex # -lcurses ============================================ Patches to crunch.conf that remove warnings: --- /usr/src/release/picobsd/bridge/crunch.conf Fri Aug 23 20:33:31 2002 +++ crunch.conf Thu Nov 7 20:02:22 2002 @@ -23,7 +23,7 @@ # directories where to look for sources of various binaries. # @__CWD__@ is a magic keyword in the picobsd's (Makefile.conf) # which is replaced with the picobsd directory. -srcdirs @__CWD__@/src +#srcdirs @__CWD__@/src # Some programs are especially written for PicoBSD and reside here # Make this first in the list so we can override standard programs @@ -34,7 +34,6 @@ # standard locations # srcdirs /usr/src/bin -srcdirs /usr/src/sbin/i386 srcdirs /usr/src/sbin srcdirs /usr/src/usr.bin srcdirs /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin @@ -96,7 +95,6 @@ #progs less # 36KB #ln less more #progs more # 12KB -special more srcdir /usr/ports/misc/44bsd-more/work progs sysctl progs swapon # 0KB. @@ -130,7 +128,7 @@ # libs -lcurses # for vi #progs tcpdump # 100KB. -special tcpdump srcdir /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump +#special tcpdump srcdir /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump progs arp # 0KB. @@ -141,7 +139,7 @@ #progs grep # 16KB. progs date # 4KB. #progs mount_nfs # 0KB. -ln mount_nfs nfs +#ln mount_nfs nfs progs ping # 4KB. #progs routed # 32KB. progs ipfw # 12KB. ==================================== Comments ==================================== * A src subdirectory in the current working directory of the picobsd is always checked. * The /usr/src/sbin/i386 dir that is specified (kept nextboot and fdisk) no longer exists under 5.0. * The ssh port is assumed installed * The 4.4 bsd-more port is assumed installed These cause warnings only. ==================================== Errors and Messages ==================================== --- "config: Error: device "atkbdc" does not take a count" "config: Error: device "sc" does not take a count" --- "/usr/src/sys/kern/kern_sig.c:77:2: #error "You *really* want COMPAT_FREEBSD4 on -current for a while" "mkdep: compile failed" --- "cd: can't cd to /usr/ports/picobsd/ssh-picobsd/work/ssh-1.2.27" "crunchgen: Can't execute: ..." --- "cc: /usr/local/lib/libgmp.a: No such file or directory" Warnings: "crunchgen: ... no prog more previously declared, skipping special" "crunchgen: ... no prog tcpdump previously declared, skipping special" "crunchgen: ... no prog mount_nfs previously declared, skipping link" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Nov 8 1:21:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B8637B401 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:21:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6486C43E4A for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:21:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@nitro.dk) Received: (qmail 63143 invoked by uid 1000); 8 Nov 2002 09:20:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:20:58 +0100 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: "Bruce R. Montague" Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Patch to remove perl from picobsd script Message-ID: <20021108092058.GC50613@nitro.dk> Mail-Followup-To: "Bruce R. Montague" , freebsd-small@freebsd.org References: <200211060301.gA631DU02226@mail.cruzio.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200211060301.gA631DU02226@mail.cruzio.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2002.11.05 19:01:13 +0000, Bruce R. Montague wrote: > I'd recommend something similar to this patch to > eliminate the need for perl; it wasn't required > in earlier picobsd script versions, and on a small, > slow machine, it's nice to need as little as > possible. And POLA and all that... Does this look > robust? I just tried the patch under FreeBSD 4.7 and it appers to be working fine. -- Simon L. Nielsen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Nov 9 5:41:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A3737B406 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 05:41:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from rockwelldatacorp.com (108.Red-80-33-216.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.216.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D1DB343E7B for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 05:41:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jon@rockwelldatacorp.com) From: "Jon F Federhenn" To: Subject: Java C++ developers needed in Switzerland Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:40:34 +0100 Reply-To: "Jon F Federhenn" Message-Id: <20021109134142.D1DB343E7B@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello I colleague of mine is in need of several Java or C++ developers for a couple of projects in Switzerland and has asked for my help. With the relaxation of permit issues in CH, he tells me that they will not require swiss permits to qualify. He speciafically needs people in the J2EE Corba arena, but is interested to see any people with a good Java or C++ background, especially German speakers. He may also need some German speaking support (2ND AND 3RD LINE) people for the project as well. Please drop me a mail which I will forward to him if of interest. Kind regards Jon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message