From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Oct 27 8: 5:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F5937B401 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 08:05:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from newtrinity.zeist.de (newtrinity.zeist.de [193.111.112.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C179B43E3B for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 08:05:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marius@newtrinity.zeist.de) Received: from newtrinity.zeist.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newtrinity.zeist.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/ZEIST.DE) with ESMTP id g9RG5Bdo095250 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 17:05:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marius@newtrinity.zeist.de) Received: (from marius@localhost) by newtrinity.zeist.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9RG56ag095249 for freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 17:05:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marius) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 17:05:06 +0100 From: marius@alchemy.franken.de To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: kldxref: bad address Message-ID: <20021027160506.GA30274@newtrinity.zeist.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org While updating from a October 20 -current to a October 27 one I got the following error at the installkernel-stage: ===> xl install -o root -g wheel -m 555 if_xl.ko /boot/kernel kldxref /boot/kernel kldxref: error while reading /boot/kernel/3dfx.ko: Bad address kldxref: error while reading /boot/kernel/accf_data.ko: Bad address kldxref: error while reading /boot/kernel/accf_http.ko: Bad address kldxref: error while reading /boot/kernel/agp.ko: Bad address kldxref: error while reading /boot/kernel/aha.ko: Bad address kldxref: error while reading /boot/kernel/aio.ko: Bad address <...> This problem persists after the update when installing a kernel built the usual way (`config`, `make depend all install`). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Oct 27 8:33:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0BA337B401 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 08:33:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from k6.locore.ca (k6.locore.ca [198.96.117.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 160BA43E42 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 08:33:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jake@k6.locore.ca) Received: from k6.locore.ca (jake@localhost.locore.ca [127.0.0.1]) by k6.locore.ca (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9RGisbd010133; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:44:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jake@k6.locore.ca) Received: (from jake@localhost) by k6.locore.ca (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9RGisNf010132; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:44:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:44:54 -0500 From: Jake Burkholder To: marius@alchemy.franken.de Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kldxref: bad address Message-ID: <20021027114453.G89245@locore.ca> References: <20021027160506.GA30274@newtrinity.zeist.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20021027160506.GA30274@newtrinity.zeist.de>; from marius@alchemy.franken.de on Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 05:05:06PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Apparently, On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 05:05:06PM +0100, marius@alchemy.franken.de said words to the effect of; > > While updating from a October 20 -current to a October 27 one I got > the following error at the installkernel-stage: > > ===> xl > install -o root -g wheel -m 555 if_xl.ko /boot/kernel > kldxref /boot/kernel > kldxref: error while reading /boot/kernel/3dfx.ko: Bad address > kldxref: error while reading /boot/kernel/accf_data.ko: Bad address > kldxref: error while reading /boot/kernel/accf_http.ko: Bad address > kldxref: error while reading /boot/kernel/agp.ko: Bad address > kldxref: error while reading /boot/kernel/aha.ko: Bad address > kldxref: error while reading /boot/kernel/aio.ko: Bad address > <...> > > This problem persists after the update when installing a kernel > built the usual way (`config`, `make depend all install`). This is a known problem. kldxref is making invalid assumptions about reading variables from object files before they are relocated. Due to the way that kldxref was written this is not entirely easy to fix. Jake To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Oct 27 8:47:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102E937B401 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 08:47:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8DC243E4A for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 08:47:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mux@freebsd.org) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1920) id AA556AE211; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 08:47:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 08:47:08 -0800 From: Maxime Henrion To: Jake Burkholder Cc: marius@alchemy.franken.de, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kldxref: bad address Message-ID: <20021027164708.GW26605@elvis.mu.org> References: <20021027160506.GA30274@newtrinity.zeist.de> <20021027114453.G89245@locore.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021027114453.G89245@locore.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jake Burkholder wrote: > Apparently, On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 05:05:06PM +0100, > marius@alchemy.franken.de said words to the effect of; > > > > > While updating from a October 20 -current to a October 27 one I got > > the following error at the installkernel-stage: > > > > ===> xl > > install -o root -g wheel -m 555 if_xl.ko /boot/kernel > > kldxref /boot/kernel > > kldxref: error while reading /boot/kernel/3dfx.ko: Bad address > > kldxref: error while reading /boot/kernel/accf_data.ko: Bad address > > kldxref: error while reading /boot/kernel/accf_http.ko: Bad address > > kldxref: error while reading /boot/kernel/agp.ko: Bad address > > kldxref: error while reading /boot/kernel/aha.ko: Bad address > > kldxref: error while reading /boot/kernel/aio.ko: Bad address > > <...> > > > > This problem persists after the update when installing a kernel > > built the usual way (`config`, `make depend all install`). > > This is a known problem. kldxref is making invalid assumptions about > reading variables from object files before they are relocated. Due to > the way that kldxref was written this is not entirely easy to fix. You can set the NO_XREF variable in your /etc/make.conf to work around this problem until it has been fixed. Cheers, Maxime To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Oct 27 9: 2:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1126F37B401 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 09:02:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from k6.locore.ca (k6.locore.ca [198.96.117.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5052943E3B for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 09:02:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jake@k6.locore.ca) Received: from k6.locore.ca (jake@localhost.locore.ca [127.0.0.1]) by k6.locore.ca (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9RHEebd010356 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 12:14:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jake@k6.locore.ca) Received: (from jake@localhost) by k6.locore.ca (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9RHEeIo010355 for freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 12:14:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 12:14:40 -0500 From: Jake Burkholder To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: another HEADSUP [peter@wemm.org: HEADS UP: you need to install a new kernel before an installworld.] Message-ID: <20021027121440.I89245@locore.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I intend to use this opportunity to make some sparc-specific ABI changes that will be tied to COMPAT_FREEBSD4. Please do not try to run without options COMPAT_FREEBSD4 in your kernel config until it is also removed from GENERIC. If you follow the rules about updating your system you should not notice. Jake ----- Forwarded message from Peter Wemm ----- Due to sigaction(2) syscall number changes, doing a 'make installworld' without having booted a new kernel would be rather messy. For example, if you tried to reboot with the old kernel, /sbin/init and /bin/sh would get a signal and abort. That would be bad. I've added an anti-foot-shooting device to Makefile.inc1 to try and prevent disasters like this. For folks using the *world/*kernel procedure, a reminder of the sequence is probably in order: buildworld buildkernel installkernel reboot installworld reboot You may prefer to avoid building world for a few days and use the newer kernel on its own. Once you've done an installworld, you cannot go back to any previous kernel.old that you may have laying around. For this reason, you probably want to delay an installworld until you are comfortable that your newer kernel builds are satisfactory. options COMPAT_FREEBSD4 is necessary for running older 5.x binaries. For now (an additional anti-foot-shooting measure), I've made it yell loudly if you leave it out. If you try hard enough (read the code), you can turn it off if you really want and if you are really sure that you have no more 4.x or old 5.x binaries around in /usr/local etc. options COMPAT_43 is checked at compile time on the alpha now. It is still compulsory until somebody fixes longjmp in libc to use ucontext_t instead of struct osigcontext. This really needs to be done before 5.0 is released. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message ----- End forwarded message ----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Oct 27 10: 7:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5E937B401 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:07:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from wall.polstra.com (wall-gw.polstra.com [206.213.73.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47DD343E4A for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:07:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g9RI7dx11029; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:07:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@vashon.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9RI7dZC046984; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:07:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:07:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200210271807.g9RI7dZC046984@vashon.polstra.com> To: sparc@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: jake@locore.ca Subject: Re: Is the sparc64 stack segment executable? In-Reply-To: <20021026224039.F89245@locore.ca> References: <200210262328.g9QNSrkn045622@vashon.polstra.com> <20021026224039.F89245@locore.ca> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <20021026224039.F89245@locore.ca>, Jake Burkholder wrote: > > > Next question: Assuming the stack is not executable by default, would > > > it work for the application to make it executable using mprotect? > > > > Yes. > > Gcc is not generating the calls to mprotect. Its a simple fix, Yes, I saw the stuff in sol2.h that takes care of it. It sure is ugly, though. Every time you pass the address of a nested function, you have to make a system call. I suppose there must be some good reason why the stack isn't executable by default ... right? > I'll try to get it committed and get gcc on panther upgraded as > soon as I can. Thanks, but there's no rush (see below). To fix it were you just going to copy the definition of TRANSFER_FROM_TRAMPOLINE from into ? It would be good to fix it in gcc eventually, but don't rush to do it on my behalf. Modula-3 uses its own version of the gcc sources for its code generator, so fixing the system gcc won't make any difference there. I guess I can put the fix into the Modula-3 version to get it working -- or I can use a different approach. The original M3 code generator avoided the trampolines altogether, but that involved patching more of gcc. Up until now, I've managed to get by with simply adding new files to gcc-3.2. I haven't had to patch any of the stock source files. John -- John Polstra John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Oct 27 10:35:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993E537B401 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:35:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from k6.locore.ca (k6.locore.ca [198.96.117.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F238D43E42 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:35:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jake@k6.locore.ca) Received: from k6.locore.ca (jake@localhost.locore.ca [127.0.0.1]) by k6.locore.ca (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9RIlRbd010705; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 13:47:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jake@k6.locore.ca) Received: (from jake@localhost) by k6.locore.ca (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9RIlQxd010704; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 13:47:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 13:47:26 -0500 From: Jake Burkholder To: John Polstra Cc: sparc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is the sparc64 stack segment executable? Message-ID: <20021027134726.J89245@locore.ca> References: <200210262328.g9QNSrkn045622@vashon.polstra.com> <20021026224039.F89245@locore.ca> <200210271807.g9RI7dZC046984@vashon.polstra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200210271807.g9RI7dZC046984@vashon.polstra.com>; from jdp@polstra.com on Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 10:07:39AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Apparently, On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 10:07:39AM -0800, John Polstra said words to the effect of; > In article <20021026224039.F89245@locore.ca>, > Jake Burkholder wrote: > > > > Next question: Assuming the stack is not executable by default, would > > > > it work for the application to make it executable using mprotect? > > > > > > Yes. > > > > Gcc is not generating the calls to mprotect. Its a simple fix, > > Yes, I saw the stuff in sol2.h that takes care of it. It sure is > ugly, though. Every time you pass the address of a nested function, > you have to make a system call. > > I suppose there must be some good reason why the stack isn't > executable by default ... right? There are a couple reasons, I don't know how good they are. 1) Its specified by the ABI that the stack should be mapped non-executable. 2) Mapping anything executable adds pmap overhead because the instruction cache is not coherent with stores. The compiler and the dynamic linker use the right instructions to synchronize the instruction cache, but for example executable code that's copied by the kernel into user pages doesn't, so pmap needs to flush pages that are mapped executable from the instruction cache manually. This is not handled particularily well by the kernel yet, but it still adds overhead so the less things mapped executable in general the better. 3) It provides some protection from stack smashing attacks that copy code there unless they somehow arrange to do the mprotects. Maybe this is security through obscurity though :) The idea is that code that does this is in the minority so overall its a win. The code that gcc generates can be made to do a sysctl or something on startup, so the stack protections could be made a tunable to avoid the system calls if its not confgured that way. Does modula-3 do this a lot? > > > I'll try to get it committed and get gcc on panther upgraded as > > soon as I can. > > Thanks, but there's no rush (see below). To fix it were you just > going to copy the definition of TRANSFER_FROM_TRAMPOLINE from > into ? Yes. This works, I've built a compiler that does this and your test program runs. Jake > > It would be good to fix it in gcc eventually, but don't rush to do it > on my behalf. Modula-3 uses its own version of the gcc sources for > its code generator, so fixing the system gcc won't make any difference > there. I guess I can put the fix into the Modula-3 version to get > it working -- or I can use a different approach. The original M3 > code generator avoided the trampolines altogether, but that involved > patching more of gcc. Up until now, I've managed to get by with > simply adding new files to gcc-3.2. I haven't had to patch any of the > stock source files. > > John > -- > John Polstra > John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA > "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Oct 27 10:53:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675D137B401 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:53:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from wall.polstra.com (wall-gw.polstra.com [206.213.73.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1EC43E42 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:53:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g9RIrCx11167; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:53:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@vashon.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9RIrC7u047147; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:53:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:53:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200210271853.g9RIrC7u047147@vashon.polstra.com> To: sparc@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: jake@locore.ca Subject: Re: Is the sparc64 stack segment executable? In-Reply-To: <20021027134726.J89245@locore.ca> References: <20021026224039.F89245@locore.ca> <200210271807.g9RI7dZC046984@vashon.polstra.com> <20021027134726.J89245@locore.ca> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <20021027134726.J89245@locore.ca>, Jake Burkholder wrote: > Apparently, On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 10:07:39AM -0800, > John Polstra said words to the effect of; > > I suppose there must be some good reason why the stack isn't > > executable by default ... right? > > There are a couple reasons, I don't know how good they are. [...] Thanks for the detailed explanation! > The idea is that code that does this is in the minority so overall its > a win. The code that gcc generates can be made to do a sysctl or something > on startup, so the stack protections could be made a tunable to avoid > the system calls if its not confgured that way. > > Does modula-3 do this a lot? It's used in a few places in the compiler code, but I don't have a feel for how frequently those places are executed. I don't use nested functions much at all in my own code. They don't buy you much except the avoidance of a little parameter passing. > > Thanks, but there's no rush (see below). To fix it were you just > > going to copy the definition of TRANSFER_FROM_TRAMPOLINE from > > into ? > > Yes. This works, I've built a compiler that does this and your test > program runs. OK ... Actually, it would be nice if you could get panther upgraded with this fix. Then the necessary function (__enable_execute_stack) would be present in libgcc for the Modula-3 compiler to use. Thanks, John -- John Polstra John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Mon Oct 28 9:59:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A55937B42B; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:59:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7EFD43E77; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:59:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from d9999@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (ool-18bd986b.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.152.107]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.9 (built Jul 29 2002)) with SMTP id <0H4P00DMHDXKSD@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:58:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:59:00 +0000 (PM) From: lana Subject: info<<< To: awal@tworld.com Message-id: <0H4P00DYTDYASD@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> X-Mailer: L.C. Enterprises - Email Extractor 2002 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi ,,your home based business opportunity sounds interesting .. got few questions pleasecall me 614-837-8112 thank..you LANA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Mon Oct 28 23: 6:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C8C37B401; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 23:06:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from fep9.cogeco.net (smtp.cogeco.net [216.221.81.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22F943E6E; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 23:06:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@sparc64.style9.org) Received: from bowie.private (d141-203-41.home.cgocable.net [24.141.203.41]) by fep9.cogeco.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28DF9739C; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 02:06:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from bowie.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bowie.private (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9T76OGR099880; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:06:24 GMT (envelope-from mike@bowie.private) Received: (from mike@localhost) by bowie.private (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9T76OI1099878; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:06:24 GMT Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:06:24 GMT From: Mike Barcroft Message-Id: <200210290706.g9T76OI1099878@bowie.private> To: current@FreeBSD.org, sparc64@FreeBSD.org Subject: sparc64 tinderbox failure Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 1: bootstrap tools -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 2: cleaning up the object tree -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 2: rebuilding the object tree -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 2: build tools -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 3: cross tools -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 4: populating /tinderbox/sparc64/obj/tinderbox/sparc64/src/sparc64/usr/include -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 4: building libraries -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 4: make dependencies -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 4: building everything.. -------------------------------------------------------------- ===> sbin/disklabel In file included from /tinderbox/sparc64/src/sbin/disklabel/disklabel.c:73: /tinderbox/sparc64/obj/tinderbox/sparc64/src/sparc64/usr/include/sys/sun_disklabel.h:103: syntax error before "sizeof" *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/sparc64/src/sbin/disklabel. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/sparc64/src/sbin. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/sparc64/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/sparc64/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/sparc64/src. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Oct 29 2:38:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B1D37B401 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 02:38:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E3B43E3B for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 02:38:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.6/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9TAcRJR008033; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 02:38:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9TAbCSM008018; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 02:37:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 02:37:12 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Jake Burkholder Cc: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: another HEADSUP [peter@wemm.org: HEADS UP: you need to install a new kernel before an installworld.] Message-ID: <20021029103712.GA4446@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <20021027121440.I89245@locore.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021027121440.I89245@locore.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 12:14:40PM -0500, Jake Burkholder wrote: > I intend to use this opportunity to make some sparc-specific ABI changes > that will be tied to COMPAT_FREEBSD4. Considering that there has never been a FreeBSD/sparc64 4.x release, I don't understand the COMPAT_FREEBSD4 need. Can you explain it by chance? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Oct 29 3:17:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD07237B401; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 03:17:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D7C743E3B; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 03:17:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.6/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9TBHIJR008347; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 03:17:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9TBG3oC008334; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 03:16:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 03:16:03 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Jake Burkholder Cc: Andrew Gallatin , sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sparc64 tinderbox failure Message-ID: <20021029111603.GC4446@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: David O'Brien , Jake Burkholder , Andrew Gallatin , sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200210241942.g9OJgGg6093678@bowie.private> <15800.21949.518746.273369@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20021024183915.A89245@locore.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021024183915.A89245@locore.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 06:39:15PM -0400, Jake Burkholder wrote: > You can also get various new machines on sun.com for around $1000 USD, > IIRC a 500mhz blade 100 does a buildworld in around 2-3 hours. A $1000 (new) 500 MHz blade running GENERIC (minus WITNESS) builds world in a little under 3 hours. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Oct 29 5:55:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F115137B401; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 05:55:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E900F43E42; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 05:55:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16008; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:55:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g9TDt3V21843; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:55:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15806.37687.91334.549008@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:55:03 -0500 (EST) To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sparc64 tinderbox failure In-Reply-To: <20021029111603.GC4446@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <200210241942.g9OJgGg6093678@bowie.private> <15800.21949.518746.273369@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20021024183915.A89245@locore.ca> <20021029111603.GC4446@dragon.nuxi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien writes: > On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 06:39:15PM -0400, Jake Burkholder wrote: > > You can also get various new machines on sun.com for around $1000 USD, > > IIRC a 500mhz blade 100 does a buildworld in around 2-3 hours. > > A $1000 (new) 500 MHz blade running GENERIC (minus WITNESS) builds world > in a little under 3 hours. Or just a little slower than my 4 year old 500MHz 21264 (<$1000 used) alpha. Darn. I was hoping a reasonbly priced sparc64 would be fast enough that getting one would allow me to find LP64 problems quicker due to a faster buildworld cycle. It's really frustrating to get 2+ hours into a buildworld and have it die because of a problem in usr.sbin I guess we'll need to wait for x86-64 for that. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Oct 29 7:27: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2666837B401; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:27:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from k6.locore.ca (k6.locore.ca [198.96.117.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C84F43E42; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:27:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jake@k6.locore.ca) Received: from k6.locore.ca (jake@localhost.locore.ca [127.0.0.1]) by k6.locore.ca (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TFdjbd022472; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:39:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jake@k6.locore.ca) Received: (from jake@localhost) by k6.locore.ca (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TFdjdf022471; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:39:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:39:45 -0500 From: Jake Burkholder To: "David O'Brien" Cc: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: another HEADSUP [peter@wemm.org: HEADS UP: you need to install a new kernel before an installworld.] Message-ID: <20021029103945.N89245@locore.ca> References: <20021027121440.I89245@locore.ca> <20021029103712.GA4446@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20021029103712.GA4446@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@freebsd.org on Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 02:37:12AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Apparently, On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 02:37:12AM -0800, David O'Brien said words to the effect of; > On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 12:14:40PM -0500, Jake Burkholder wrote: > > I intend to use this opportunity to make some sparc-specific ABI changes > > that will be tied to COMPAT_FREEBSD4. > > Considering that there has never been a FreeBSD/sparc64 4.x release, I > don't understand the COMPAT_FREEBSD4 need. Can you explain it by chance? Its purely transitional. Something is required to be able to do a source upgrade past the change and COMPAT_FREEBSD4 works. The difference is we can nuke any sparc64 specific compat stuff at some point in the future because its never seen a release. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Oct 29 7:43:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE3C37B401; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:43:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from k6.locore.ca (k6.locore.ca [198.96.117.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A16F43E6E; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:43:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jake@k6.locore.ca) Received: from k6.locore.ca (jake@localhost.locore.ca [127.0.0.1]) by k6.locore.ca (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TFuYbd022656; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:56:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jake@k6.locore.ca) Received: (from jake@localhost) by k6.locore.ca (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9TFuUNE022655; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:56:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:56:30 -0500 From: Jake Burkholder To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sparc64 tinderbox failure Message-ID: <20021029105630.O89245@locore.ca> References: <200210241942.g9OJgGg6093678@bowie.private> <15800.21949.518746.273369@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20021024183915.A89245@locore.ca> <20021029111603.GC4446@dragon.nuxi.com> <15806.37687.91334.549008@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15806.37687.91334.549008@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 08:55:03AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Apparently, On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 08:55:03AM -0500, Andrew Gallatin said words to the effect of; > > David O'Brien writes: > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 06:39:15PM -0400, Jake Burkholder wrote: > > > You can also get various new machines on sun.com for around $1000 USD, > > > IIRC a 500mhz blade 100 does a buildworld in around 2-3 hours. > > > > A $1000 (new) 500 MHz blade running GENERIC (minus WITNESS) builds world > > in a little under 3 hours. > > Or just a little slower than my 4 year old 500MHz 21264 (<$1000 used) > alpha. Darn. I was hoping a reasonbly priced sparc64 would be fast > enough that getting one would allow me to find LP64 problems quicker > due to a faster buildworld cycle. It's really frustrating to get 2+ > hours into a buildworld and have it die because of a problem in > usr.sbin > > I guess we'll need to wait for x86-64 for that. Cross build on a fast x86 box... My 1.2ghz athlon running -stable builds a sparc64 world in about half an hour. Jake To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Oct 29 16: 7:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D1837B401; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:07:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from fep5.cogeco.net (smtp.cogeco.net [216.221.81.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A264743E42; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:07:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@sparc64.style9.org) Received: from bowie.private (d141-203-41.home.cgocable.net [24.141.203.41]) by fep5.cogeco.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF0F7894; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from bowie.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bowie.private (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9U06fGR081951; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:06:41 GMT (envelope-from mike@bowie.private) Received: (from mike@localhost) by bowie.private (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9U06ePQ081949; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:06:40 GMT Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:06:40 GMT From: Mike Barcroft Message-Id: <200210300006.g9U06ePQ081949@bowie.private> To: current@FreeBSD.org, sparc64@FreeBSD.org Subject: sparc64 tinderbox failure Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 1: bootstrap tools -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 2: cleaning up the object tree -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 2: rebuilding the object tree -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 2: build tools -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 3: cross tools -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 4: populating /tinderbox/sparc64/obj/tinderbox/sparc64/src/sparc64/usr/include -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 4: building libraries -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 4: make dependencies -------------------------------------------------------------- ===> usr.sbin/ntp/ntpd make: don't know how to make ntp_resolver.c. Stop *** Error code 2 Stop in /tinderbox/sparc64/src/usr.sbin/ntp. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/sparc64/src/usr.sbin. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/sparc64/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/sparc64/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/sparc64/src. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 30 0:30: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C603837B401 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from madlen.mts.ru (madlen.mts.ru [212.44.140.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F12F743E3B for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:30:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tiamat@komi.mts.ru) Received: from cache2.inside.mts.ru ([192.168.10.3]) by madlen.mts.ru with SMTP id g9U8U0b29626 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:30:01 +0300 (MSK) X-Envelope-To: Received: from stella.komi.mts.ru ([10.50.1.1]) by cache2.inside.mts.ru (NAVGW 2.5.2.12) with SMTP id M2002103011295726663 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:29:59 +0300 Received: from dav (dav.komi.mts.ru [10.50.1.99]) (user=tiamat mech=NTLM bits=0) by stella.komi.mts.ru (MTS Komi/Smtp) with ESMTP id g9U8TrKW075390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:29:55 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from tiamat@komi.mts.ru) Message-ID: <067f01c27fee$9b2fcba0$6301320a@dav> From: "Alex Deiter" To: Subject: Creating a Disk Label Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:30:28 +0300 Organization: MTS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I cannot create disk label on new HDD: # uname -a FreeBSD serafima 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #0: Wed Oct 30 10:15:02 MSK 2002 root@selma.komi.mts.ru:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/NET sparc64 # mount 1.1.1.1:/devel/sparc64/netboot on / (nfs, read-only) devfs on /dev (devfs, local) /dev/md1 on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates) /dev/md2 on /tmp (ufs, local, soft-updates) # dmesg | grep da0 da0 at sym0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device da0: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 34732MB (71132959 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 4427C) # ls -l /dev/da0* crw-r----- 1 root operator 4, 0 Oct 30 12:16 /dev/da0 crw-r----- 1 root operator 4, 10 Oct 30 12:17 /dev/da0c # disklabel -w -r -B -n da0 auto Warning, write to disk label supressed - label was as follows: # /dev/da0c: type: unknown disk: amnesiac label: flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 63 tracks/cylinder: 255 sectors/cylinder: 16065 cylinders: 4427 sectors/unit: 71132959 rpm: 3600 interleave: 1 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0 # milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds drivedata: 0 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] c: 71132959 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 4427*) # disklabel -w -r -B da0 auto # disklabel da0 disklabel: ioctl DIOCGDINFO: Inappropriate ioctl for device Why ? Thanks! -- Deiter Alex, Mobile TeleSystems, Komi Republic To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 30 7:58:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C18DB37B401; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:58:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from k6.locore.ca (k6.locore.ca [198.96.117.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02ED943E77; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:58:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jake@k6.locore.ca) Received: from k6.locore.ca (jake@localhost.locore.ca [127.0.0.1]) by k6.locore.ca (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UGBCbd028480; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:11:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jake@k6.locore.ca) Received: (from jake@localhost) by k6.locore.ca (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9UGBCXK028479; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:11:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:11:11 -0500 From: Jake Burkholder To: Alex Deiter Cc: sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG, phk@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Creating a Disk Label Message-ID: <20021030111111.D22677@locore.ca> References: <067f01c27fee$9b2fcba0$6301320a@dav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <067f01c27fee$9b2fcba0$6301320a@dav>; from tiamat@komi.mts.ru on Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 11:30:28AM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Apparently, On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 11:30:28AM +0300, Alex Deiter said words to the effect of; > I cannot create disk label on new HDD: > > # uname -a > FreeBSD serafima 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #0: Wed Oct 30 10:15:02 MSK > 2002 root@selma.komi.mts.ru:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/NET sparc64 > > # mount > 1.1.1.1:/devel/sparc64/netboot on / (nfs, read-only) > devfs on /dev (devfs, local) > /dev/md1 on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates) > /dev/md2 on /tmp (ufs, local, soft-updates) > > # dmesg | grep da0 > da0 at sym0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 > da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > da0: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), Tagged Queueing > Enabled > da0: 34732MB (71132959 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 4427C) > > # ls -l /dev/da0* > crw-r----- 1 root operator 4, 0 Oct 30 12:16 /dev/da0 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 4, 10 Oct 30 12:17 /dev/da0c > > # disklabel -w -r -B -n da0 auto > Warning, write to disk label supressed - label was as follows: > # /dev/da0c: > type: unknown > disk: amnesiac > label: > flags: > bytes/sector: 512 > sectors/track: 63 > tracks/cylinder: 255 > sectors/cylinder: 16065 > cylinders: 4427 > sectors/unit: 71132959 > rpm: 3600 > interleave: 1 > trackskew: 0 > cylinderskew: 0 > headswitch: 0 # milliseconds > track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds > drivedata: 0 > > 8 partitions: > # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] > c: 71132959 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - > 4427*) > > # disklabel -w -r -B da0 auto > > # disklabel da0 > disklabel: ioctl DIOCGDINFO: Inappropriate ioctl for device Use disklabel -r. The GEOM sun label module doesn't implement all the necessary ioctls. Jake To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Oct 31 6:16:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6996637B401 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 06:16:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from madlen.mts.ru (madlen.mts.ru [212.44.140.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8369343E3B for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 06:16:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tiamat@komi.mts.ru) Received: from cache2.inside.mts.ru ([192.168.10.3]) by madlen.mts.ru with SMTP id g9VEGYb18602 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 17:16:39 +0300 (MSK) X-Envelope-To: Received: from stella.komi.mts.ru ([10.50.1.1]) by cache2.inside.mts.ru (NAVGW 2.5.2.12) with SMTP id M2002103117163024896 ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 17:16:32 +0300 Received: from dav (dav.komi.mts.ru [10.50.1.99]) (user=tiamat mech=NTLM bits=0) by stella.komi.mts.ru (MTS Komi/Smtp) with ESMTP id g9VEGRTX055296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 31 Oct 2002 17:16:27 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from tiamat@komi.mts.ru) Message-ID: <081601c280e8$3104c780$6301320a@dav> From: "Alex Deiter" To: "Jake Burkholder" Cc: References: <067f01c27fee$9b2fcba0$6301320a@dav> <20021030111111.D22677@locore.ca> Subject: Re: Creating a Disk Label: fsck don't work Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 17:17:04 +0300 Organization: MTS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org # uname -a FreeBSD serafima 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #0: Wed Oct 30 10:15:02 MSK 2002 sparc64 # disklabel -w -r -B da0 auto # disklabel -e -r da0 ...edit # disklabel -r da0 # /dev/da0c: type: unknown disk: amnesiac label: flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 63 tracks/cylinder: 255 sectors/cylinder: 16065 cylinders: 4427 sectors/unit: 71132959 rpm: 3600 interleave: 1 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0 # milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds drivedata: 0 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 71132959 0 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 0 - 4427*) c: 71132959 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 4427*) serafima# newfs /dev/da0a newfs: /dev/da0a: No such file or directory serafima# ls -l /dev/da0* crw-r----- 1 root operator 4, 0 Oct 31 18:01 /dev/da0 crw-r----- 1 root operator 4, 6 Oct 31 18:01 /dev/da0c # reboot ....after reboot... # ls -l /dev/da0* crw-r----- 1 root operator 4, 0 Oct 31 18:04 /dev/da0 crw-r----- 1 root operator 4, 1 Oct 31 18:04 /dev/da0a crw-r----- 1 root operator 4, 2 Oct 31 18:04 /dev/da0c # newfs /dev/da0a /dev/da0a: 34732.9MB (71132956 sectors) block size 16384, fragment size 2048 using 190 cylinder groups of 183.62MB, 11752 blks, 23552 inodes. super-block backups (for fsck -b #) at: 32, 376096, 752160, 1128224, 1504288, 1880352, 2256416, 2632480, 3008544, .... 70324000, 70700064, 71076128 # echo $? 0 # fsck /dev/da0a fsck: cannot get disklabel for `/dev/da0a': Inappropriate ioctl for device What to do? Thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Oct 31 7:28:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72AC837B401 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:28:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from vador.skynet.be (vador.skynet.be [195.238.3.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 382D843E6E for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:28:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trollet@skynet.be) Received: from skynet.be (52.19-200-80.adsl.skynet.be [80.200.19.52]) by vador.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.20) with ESMTP id g9VFRwm03146 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:27:58 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from ) Message-ID: <3DB91D07.2166E0CE@skynet.be> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:29:27 +0200 From: Atle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.9 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sparc64 tinderbox failure References: <200210241942.g9OJgGg6093678@bowie.private> <15800.21949.518746.273369@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20021024183915.A89245@locore.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jake Burkholder wrote: > Search for "sun ultra" on ebay; I got mine from paladintech. Ultra 10s > are cheaper but more PC class, my 300mhz does a full buildworld in about > 5 hours last time I timed it. Ultra 2 is probably the best value, but > we don't support the builtin scsi controller yet. This is probably half-way OT, but I ask anyway since it would be OT many other places as well. I know nothing about SCSI controllers, but believe some have a BIOS, but most are used by communicating through . The objective of my question is to figure out if I can make my Ultra 10 less PC-like by putting in a PCI IDE-RAID acting like a SCSI-card. I don't want to buy it and get bad surprises, though :-) If SCSI is supported, and an IDE-RAID card presents a SCSI interface to the driver, shouldn't it work? The only thing I can imagine that woudl keep it from working, would be if the driver needed some functions that could not be emulated by the card, but what on earth would they be? To someone building a driver for a PCI card, PCI is PCI OpenBoot or not, right? If a driver for an IDE RAID could be made, I think many U10 owners would be happy, there is no doubt to me that the IDE is what makes the U10 PC-like ... Here are some specific questions that might help me understand in case it is impossible or impractical to put a non-Sun SCSI or IDE-RAID card in the U10: What is at 0xC8000? If it needs to be remapped, is there no place in the U10 address space it could go? Does the U10's CPU need to be able to run any of the SCSI-card's BIOS code? Isn't worst case scenario one where I would make use of my EPROM burner and replace the BIOS on a PC RAID-card with SPARC instructions? BSD doesn't require OpenBoot-compatible PCI cards, does it? With apologies for ignorance, Atle To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Oct 31 7:38:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B4F37B401 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:38:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from k6.locore.ca (k6.locore.ca [198.96.117.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4DF643E3B for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:38:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jake@k6.locore.ca) Received: from k6.locore.ca (jake@localhost.locore.ca [127.0.0.1]) by k6.locore.ca (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VFpPbd032938; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:51:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jake@k6.locore.ca) Received: (from jake@localhost) by k6.locore.ca (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VFpOCs032937; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:51:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:51:24 -0500 From: Jake Burkholder To: Alex Deiter Cc: sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Creating a Disk Label: fsck don't work Message-ID: <20021031105124.E22677@locore.ca> References: <067f01c27fee$9b2fcba0$6301320a@dav> <20021030111111.D22677@locore.ca> <081601c280e8$3104c780$6301320a@dav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <081601c280e8$3104c780$6301320a@dav>; from tiamat@komi.mts.ru on Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 05:17:04PM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Apparently, On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 05:17:04PM +0300, Alex Deiter said words to the effect of; > # uname -a > FreeBSD serafima 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #0: Wed Oct 30 10:15:02 MSK > 2002 sparc64 > > # disklabel -w -r -B da0 auto > # disklabel -e -r da0 > ...edit > > # disklabel -r da0 > # /dev/da0c: > type: unknown > disk: amnesiac > label: > flags: > bytes/sector: 512 > sectors/track: 63 > tracks/cylinder: 255 > sectors/cylinder: 16065 > cylinders: 4427 > sectors/unit: 71132959 > rpm: 3600 > interleave: 1 > trackskew: 0 > cylinderskew: 0 > headswitch: 0 # milliseconds > track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds > drivedata: 0 > > 8 partitions: > # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] > a: 71132959 0 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 0 - > 4427*) > c: 71132959 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - > 4427*) > serafima# newfs /dev/da0a > newfs: /dev/da0a: No such file or directory > serafima# ls -l /dev/da0* > crw-r----- 1 root operator 4, 0 Oct 31 18:01 /dev/da0 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 4, 6 Oct 31 18:01 /dev/da0c > # reboot > > ....after reboot... > > # ls -l /dev/da0* > crw-r----- 1 root operator 4, 0 Oct 31 18:04 /dev/da0 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 4, 1 Oct 31 18:04 /dev/da0a > crw-r----- 1 root operator 4, 2 Oct 31 18:04 /dev/da0c > > # newfs /dev/da0a > /dev/da0a: 34732.9MB (71132956 sectors) block size 16384, fragment size 2048 > using 190 cylinder groups of 183.62MB, 11752 blks, 23552 inodes. > super-block backups (for fsck -b #) at: > 32, 376096, 752160, 1128224, 1504288, 1880352, 2256416, 2632480, 3008544, > .... > 70324000, 70700064, 71076128 > # echo $? > 0 > > # fsck /dev/da0a > fsck: cannot get disklabel for `/dev/da0a': Inappropriate ioctl for device Use fsck_ffs or put the filesystem in /etc/fstab so fsck can guess the type. Jake To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Oct 31 7:45:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADC037B401 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:45:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from thea.blinkenlights.nl (thea.blinkenlights.nl [62.58.162.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F8443E75 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:45:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sten@blinkenlights.nl) Received: by thea.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix, from userid 101) id 995DD39305; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:45:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thea.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9590DD581; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:45:12 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:45:12 +0100 (CET) From: Sten To: Atle Cc: sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sparc64 tinderbox failure In-Reply-To: <3DB91D07.2166E0CE@skynet.be> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Atle wrote: > Jake Burkholder wrote: > > > Search for "sun ultra" on ebay; I got mine from paladintech. Ultra 10s > > are cheaper but more PC class, my 300mhz does a full buildworld in about > > 5 hours last time I timed it. Ultra 2 is probably the best value, but > > we don't support the builtin scsi controller yet. > > This is probably half-way OT, but I ask anyway since it would be OT many > other places as well. > I know nothing about SCSI controllers, but believe some have a BIOS, but > most are used by communicating through . > > To someone building a driver for a PCI card, PCI is PCI OpenBoot or not, > right? > > If a driver for an IDE RAID could be made, I think many U10 owners would > be happy, there is no doubt to me that the IDE is what makes the U10 > PC-like ... > > Here are some specific questions that might help me understand in case > it is impossible or impractical to put a non-Sun SCSI or IDE-RAID card > in the U10: > Well, to be able to boot from an pci-card the openboot needs to recognise it, which means that suns only boot from certain models. The easiest thing to do would be to boot from ide and then use the pci card. Because fbsd should support a lot more. Although even then you will see some suprises, aka an u60 not booting with a 3ware inserted when it has 2 cpus, but working with 1 cpu. -- Sten Spans "What does one do with ones money, when there is no more empty rackspace ?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Oct 31 7:56:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1502E37B401 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:56:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from topperwein.dyndns.org (acs-24-154-51-184.zoominternet.net [24.154.51.184]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E31143E77 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:56:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from behanna@zbzoom.net) Received: from topperwein.pennasoft.com ([192.168.168.10]) by topperwein.dyndns.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VFuKd4035691 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:56:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from behanna@zbzoom.net) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:56:15 -0500 (EST) From: Chris BeHanna Reply-To: Chris BeHanna To: FreeBSD-SPARC Subject: Re: sparc64 tinderbox failure In-Reply-To: <3DB91D07.2166E0CE@skynet.be> Message-ID: <20021031105219.A568-100000@topperwein.pennasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Atle wrote: > Jake Burkholder wrote: > > > Search for "sun ultra" on ebay; I got mine from paladintech. Ultra 10s > > are cheaper but more PC class, my 300mhz does a full buildworld in about > > 5 hours last time I timed it. Ultra 2 is probably the best value, but > > we don't support the builtin scsi controller yet. > > This is probably half-way OT, but I ask anyway since it would be OT many > other places as well. > I know nothing about SCSI controllers, but believe some have a BIOS, but > most are used by communicating through . > > The objective of my question is to figure out if I can make my Ultra 10 > less PC-like by putting in a PCI IDE-RAID acting like a SCSI-card. > > I don't want to buy it and get bad surprises, though :-) > > If SCSI is supported, and an IDE-RAID card presents a SCSI interface to > the driver, shouldn't it work? This is exactly what the Adaptec 2400A does in the PC world. It's a PCI board, and FreeBSD supports it--it is probed as asr0, but I don't know if the driver has been ported or can even work in an Ultra 10. I don't know a damned thing about interrupt handling in the SPARC world, and only have a high-level understanding in the x86 world. The lack of a 16-bit IRQ vector should be a distinct advantage in the SPARC world. > To someone building a driver for a PCI card, PCI is PCI OpenBoot or not, > right? > > If a driver for an IDE RAID could be made, I think many U10 owners would > be happy, there is no doubt to me that the IDE is what makes the U10 > PC-like ... It's only IDE at the disk drive side. At the PCI slot side, it pretends to be SCSI. Theoretically, a driver for such a board that worked in an Ultra 10 should also work in any modern box with a PCI bus. > With apologies for ignorance, Atle You're less ignorant than I. -- Chris BeHanna http://www.pennasoft.com Principal Consultant PennaSoft Corporation chris@pennasoft.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Oct 31 12: 2:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2B337B401 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:02:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from thea.blinkenlights.nl (thea.blinkenlights.nl [62.58.162.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFEED43E42 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:02:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sten@blinkenlights.nl) Received: by thea.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix, from userid 101) id 880A639305; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:02:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thea.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84564D581; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:02:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:02:19 +0100 (CET) From: Sten To: Chris BeHanna Cc: FreeBSD-SPARC Subject: Re: sparc64 tinderbox failure In-Reply-To: <20021031105219.A568-100000@topperwein.pennasoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Chris BeHanna wrote: > It's only IDE at the disk drive side. At the PCI slot side, it > pretends to be SCSI. Theoretically, a driver for such a board that > worked in an Ultra 10 should also work in any modern box with a PCI > bus. Well in most cases drivers arent the issue, Most cards work with freebsd, its openboot that's hard. And you cant write drivers for openboot :). The whole issue is moot if you can accept booting from cdrom/floppy/ide. Which wont make the machine any slower in normal operation, but people owning alpha's/suns always seem to want to boot from their super duper leeto pci fc-al-scsi speed monster. And they'll usually browse ebay for 2 months straight to get the magic non sun/dec card that does work with their machine ( guilty as charged ). -- Sten Spans "What does one do with ones money, when there is no more empty rackspace ?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Fri Nov 1 16:43:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0883937B401; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:43:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-88.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7D443E77; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:43:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6FA3666E58; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:43:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:43:16 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Robert Watson Cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, sparc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide article.sgml Message-ID: <20021102004316.GA39756@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200211020028.gA20SPYx065513@repoman.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zhXaljGHf11kAtnf" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200211020028.gA20SPYx065513@repoman.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 04:28:25PM -0800, Robert Watson wrote: > rwatson 2002/11/01 16:28:25 PST >=20 > Modified files: > en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide article.sgml=20 > Log: > Upgrade sparc64 from a Tier 2 platform to a Tier 1 platform. > Add S/390 as a Tier 3 platform. Yay! Congratulations to the sparc64 developers for their excellent work! Kris --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9wx+jWry0BWjoQKURAiHEAJ9F9OU7iF/4mZwI3011xyd9ySJluACfbh/y Fe31rLSVc9pLX9otlT1MhZk= =bTBV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sat Nov 2 4: 8: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8974F37B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 04:08:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from cc-gw.1anetworks.net (cc-gw.1anetworks.net [193.243.179.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A1BA943E7B for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 04:08:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@ukip.com) Received: from BRI (brian.1anetworks.net [212.36.98.200]) by parma.1anetworks.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA03398 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:07:53 GMT From: "Bri" To: Subject: POP3 of IMAP4 support Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:03:32 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've looked in the packages on the ftp site for the sparc64 port and I couldn't find anything except the perl implementation for pop3 client and I'm looking for a server either imap or pop3 so I went on source forge tryed a few packages tryed to compile then and had no luck I also found some packages to compile on google but same story. Do any of you know of a packages that compiles on the sparc on freebsd pop3 or imap. Any help Aprieciated Bri, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sat Nov 2 22:43:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F3937B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-88.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB34B43E4A for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:43:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C70A166C61; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:43:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:43:50 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Bri Cc: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: POP3 of IMAP4 support Message-ID: <20021103064349.GA17432@xor.obsecurity.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 12:03:32PM -0000, Bri wrote: > I've looked in the packages on the ftp site for the sparc64 port and I > couldn't find anything except the perl implementation for pop3 client and > I'm looking for a server either imap or pop3 so I went on source forge tr= yed > a few packages tryed to compile then and had no luck I also found some > packages to compile on google but same story. >=20 > Do any of you know of a packages that compiles on the sparc on freebsd po= p3 > or imap. Try compiling the relevant port. There are lots of pop3/imap servers in the ports collection. If you have specific problems compiling one of them, let us know. Kris --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9xMWkWry0BWjoQKURAnDvAKDHhoqDd9WkxsOqQOgjVO6ike4a9ACdFlJ/ rlloPgPXsF/D6Kq5/ayXiNU= =EOdx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message