From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 20 7:29:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B4C537B401 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 07:29:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB4A43F13 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 07:29:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57CB3D27 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:29:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:29:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Ottawa: Open Source Weekend Message-ID: <3E2BCFA2.14385.48BA53F6@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, this was posted to the annoucement list of a local LUG (see http://oclug.on.ca/archives/oclug-announce/2003-January/000060.html). I'm going to be at the event with a small BSD network. Hope to get some of you there... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- OPEN SOURCE WEEKEND ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Saturday and Sunday, January 25-26, 2003 Location: University of Ottawa, Carleton University, RA Centre. Full Details: http://www.osw.ca/ On 2003 January 25 and 26, a coalition of computer professionals, students, and volunteers will host an Open Source Weekend in Ottawa, Canada. The events will be spread across the city and throughout the weekend to showcase the dynamic world of open source software. The major activities will be the: * Linuxfest at the University of Ottawa (Sat. Jan. 25th) * Linuxfest at Carleton University (Sat. Jan. 25th) * The Business of Open Source Software conference. (Sun. Jan. 26th) The events are all open to the public, and everyone is encouraged to attend. Bring your friends, family, and co-workers too! All events are free, but the respective organizations will be collecting donations. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- LINUXFEST: UNIVERSITY OF OTTAWA Brought to you by the University of Ottawa's Computer Science Students' Association, the activities here will include: * a trade show with companies that produce and use open source software * demonstrations of various examples of open source software * installs of any flavour of the Linux operating system * tutorials, presentations, and films. Date: Saturday, 2003 Jan 25, 10:00 to 18:00 hours Location: School of Information Technology and Engineering (SITE) 800 King Edward Avenue Ottawa, Ontario, Canada ----------------------------------------------------------------------- LINUXFEST: CARLETON UNIVERSITY The activities presented by the Carleton Computer Science Society will feature: * installs of Redhat and Mandrake Linux, and network installs of Debian GNU-Linux, * Linux-For-Beginners seminars, and * practical demonstrations of Linux and its associated applications in action. Date: Saturday, 2003 Jan 25, 10:00 to 18:00 hours Location: Carleton University, 1125 Colonel By Drive UniCentre (Building 7 on http://www.carleton.ca/cu/campus/) Room: U231 (Porter Hall) on second floor. Signs will be posted. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- BUSINESS OF OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE The Ottawa Canada Linux Users Group presents the second annual Business of Open Source Software (BOSS) conference. BOSS is a forum for the presentation and discussion of the exploding use of open source software in the world of business. Office Environment Demonstration: The day will begin with a demonstration of a working, networked office environment using the Linux operating system and some of its most successful software, such as the Apache webserver, and the OpenOffice.org office suite. It will also show Linux in a mixed computing environment with other operating systems. This will be a hands-on activity. Keynote Speaker: The afternoon brings the conference proper. Our special guest will be: * Martin Fink, General Manager for Hewlett-Packard's Linux Systems Division, and author of "`The Business and Economics of Linux and Open Source", speaking on the practical use of open source software in business --- its introduction, integration, and value. Panel Discussion: Then our speaker will join a panel comprising IT and business leaders from the Ottawa region and beyond: * Jim Elliott, Linux Advocate for IBM Canada, * Danese Cooper, Open Source Programs Office, Sun Microsystems, * Eid Eid, President and CEO of OEone * Joseph Potvin, Manager, Enterprise Architecture, GTIS, PWGSC * Geoff Davidson, PostgreSQL, Inc. Date: Sunday, 2003 Jan 26, 10:00 to 18:00 hours Location: RA Centre 2451 Riverside Drive, Ottawa, ON, Canada K1H 7X7 (613) 733-5100 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Detailed schedules, location maps, and other information about these events can be found on the Open Source Weekend website: http://www.osw.ca/ For more information about the Ottawa Canada Linux Users Group (OCLUG), please visit: http://oclug.on.ca/ -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 21 7:31:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C47837B401 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 07:31:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0466E43E4A for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 07:31:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CA423D27 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:31:48 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:31:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: any brochures or handouts available? Message-ID: <3E2D2194.10555.4DE2A6AA@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Do we have any brochures or handouts which can be printed off and distributed at events? Something along the lines of "What is FreeBSD, where can I find more info"? This would be generally useful and something I could use this weekend at OSW (http://www.osw.ca/). -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 21 10:16:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D6B237B401 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:16:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from thor.acuson.com (ac17859.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0296943F5B for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:16:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H9200502TEI6L@thor.acuson.com> for advocacy@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:15:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:09:52 -0800 Received: from balderdash.acuson.com (dhcp-46-100.acuson.com [157.226.46.100]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id Y2R0BP3B; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:10:37 -0800 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:15:31 -0800 From: Johnson David Subject: Re: any brochures or handouts available? In-reply-to: <3E2D2194.10555.4DE2A6AA@localhost> To: Dan Langille , advocacy@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <200301211015.31468.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <3E2D2194.10555.4DE2A6AA@localhost> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday 21 January 2003 07:31 am, Dan Langille wrote: > Do we have any brochures or handouts which can be printed off and > distributed at events? Something along the lines of "What is > FreeBSD, where can I find more info"? I recall one such brochure I picked up at a LWCE, and have since seen it on the web -somewhere-. On the back it had a comparison between FreeBSD, Linux and Windows 2000 in chart form. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 21 10:26:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B793B37B401 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:26:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1758C43F3F for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:26:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD893D28; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:26:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: Johnson David Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:26:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: any brochures or handouts available? Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <3E2D4A7A.1137.4E826D95@localhost> References: <3E2D2194.10555.4DE2A6AA@localhost> In-reply-to: <200301211015.31468.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 21 Jan 2003 at 10:15, Johnson David wrote: > On Tuesday 21 January 2003 07:31 am, Dan Langille wrote: > > Do we have any brochures or handouts which can be printed off and > > distributed at events? Something along the lines of "What is > > FreeBSD, where can I find more info"? > > I recall one such brochure I picked up at a LWCE, and have since seen it on > the web -somewhere-. On the back it had a comparison between FreeBSD, Linux > and Windows 2000 in chart form. At http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/linuxworldny03/V33/exhibitor_list/exname list.cvn?id=2&p_navID=57, I found "BSD Mall" and "The NetBSD Foundation". Do you remember if it was one of those groups? -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 21 10:32:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8785237B485 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:32:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (anthonychavez.org [166.70.15.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29BC43F3F for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:32:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from acc@anthonychavez.org) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (acc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0LIWUvw091151; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:32:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from acc@athena.anthonychavez.org) Received: (from acc@localhost) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0LIWUm1091150; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:32:30 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:32:30 -0700 From: "Anthony C. Chavez" To: Johnson David Cc: Dan Langille , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: any brochures or handouts available? Message-ID: <20030121183230.GB90667@anthonychavez.org> References: <3E2D2194.10555.4DE2A6AA@localhost> <200301211015.31468.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LpQ9ahxlCli8rRTG" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200301211015.31468.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-PGP-Key: http://www.anthonychavez.org/pubkey.asc Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --LpQ9ahxlCli8rRTG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 10:15:31AM -0800, Johnson David wrote: > On Tuesday 21 January 2003 07:31 am, Dan Langille wrote: > > Do we have any brochures or handouts which can be printed off and > > distributed at events? Something along the lines of "What is > > FreeBSD, where can I find more info"? >=20 > I recall one such brochure I picked up at a LWCE, and have since seen it = on=20 > the web -somewhere-. On the back it had a comparison between FreeBSD, Lin= ux=20 > and Windows 2000 in chart form. http://people.freebsd.org/~murray/bsd_flier.html Used it to convince one of my old employers to stick with FreeBSD. :-) --=20 Anthony Chavez http://www.anthonychavez.org/ mailto:acc@anthonychavez.org jabber:acc@jabber.anthonychavez.org --LpQ9ahxlCli8rRTG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+LZI9bZTbIaRBRXERAkWtAJ9zAgJoTQ8aEL7YvcLQ210wFAE2GQCfVM8U BST63nrlNgtpj8BCax+a9tY= =6Xq7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LpQ9ahxlCli8rRTG-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 21 10:39:48 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9876737B401 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:39:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0223F43E4A for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:39:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398E73D27; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:39:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: "Anthony C. Chavez" Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:39:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: any brochures or handouts available? Cc: Dan Langille , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3E2D4D9E.16894.4E8EB12C@localhost> In-reply-to: <20030121183230.GB90667@anthonychavez.org> References: <200301211015.31468.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 21 Jan 2003 at 11:32, Anthony C. Chavez wrote: > On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 10:15:31AM -0800, Johnson David wrote: > > On Tuesday 21 January 2003 07:31 am, Dan Langille wrote: > > > Do we have any brochures or handouts which can be printed off and > > > distributed at events? Something along the lines of "What is > > > FreeBSD, where can I find more info"? > > > > I recall one such brochure I picked up at a LWCE, and have since seen it on > > the web -somewhere-. On the back it had a comparison between FreeBSD, Linux > > and Windows 2000 in chart form. > > http://people.freebsd.org/~murray/bsd_flier.html > > Used it to convince one of my old employers to stick with FreeBSD. :-) Thanks for that link. I'm hoping to find the rest of the brochure now.... (i.e the stuff on the front). -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 21 10:54:31 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAB937B401 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:54:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from thor.acuson.com (ac17859.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A64243E4A for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:54:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H920057UV5G6O@thor.acuson.com> for advocacy@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:53:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:47:38 -0800 Received: from balderdash.acuson.com (dhcp-46-100.acuson.com [157.226.46.100]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id Y2R0BQBZ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:49:10 -0800 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:54:04 -0800 From: Johnson David Subject: Re: any brochures or handouts available? In-reply-to: <3E2D4A7A.1137.4E826D95@localhost> To: Dan Langille Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <200301211054.04969.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <3E2D2194.10555.4DE2A6AA@localhost> <3E2D4A7A.1137.4E826D95@localhost> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday 21 January 2003 10:26 am, Dan Langille wrote: > At > http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/linuxworldny03/V33/exhibitor_list/exname > list.cvn?id=2&p_navID=57, I found "BSD Mall" and "The NetBSD > Foundation". Do you remember if it was one of those groups? This was a couple years ago, at the big BSDi booth. They were also handing out the FreeBSD sticker sheets, that seem to have become collector items. You might see if FreeBSD Mall or BSDMall have any flyers already done up. They'll probably be mini-catalogs, but it's better than nothing. On Tuesday 21 January 2003 10:32 am, Anthony C. Chavez wrote: > http://people.freebsd.org/~murray/bsd_flier.html Yep, that was the back of the flyer. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 21 11:50:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A0537B40D for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:50:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com (mailout03.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79C543F18 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:50:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fwd11.sul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18b4PJ-0008Aa-0U; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 20:50:01 +0100 Received: from jhs.muc.de (520006753247-0001@[217.235.121.176]) by fmrl11.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 18b4PD-1M88iuC; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 20:49:55 +0100 Received: from flip.jhs.private (flip.jhs.private [192.168.91.24]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0LJocU64779; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 20:50:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from flip.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flip.jhs.private (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0LJoGm69953; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 20:50:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flip.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200301211950.h0LJoGm69953@flip.jhs.private> To: "Dan Langille" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, "Rainer Duffner" , "Oliver Fromme" Subject: Re: any brochures or handouts available? In-Reply-To: Message from "Dan Langille" of "Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:31:48 EST." <3E2D2194.10555.4DE2A6AA@localhost> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 20:50:16 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" X-Sender: 520006753247-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Dan Langille" wrote: > Do we have any brochures or handouts which can be printed off and > distributed at events? Something along the lines of "What is > FreeBSD, where can I find more info"? > > This would be generally useful and something I could use this weekend > at OSW (http://www.osw.ca/). It's not quite what you want .. but .. There's an all 3 BSDs leaflet at http://berklix.org/bim/leaflet/ It's in German but, before you think `useless for Canada', I guess a lot of the work in a leaflet is deciding on format & content & tools & getting Makefile right etc, so you may like to take a quick look. BSD buzzwords/ acronyms are the same anyway. It produces a nice format: landscape sheet with double vertical fold, leaflet style, red demon on front, swatting a fly from Windows. It was written by Oliver Fromme for a trade show 18 months ago. Rainer Duffner, also of our Munich BSD user group is doing a merge of 2 versions. I've cc'd both. If you really want an English version of our leaflet for use this next weekend, I could try to squeeze time this week, & do an English translation by Fri., (I'm English, but been in Germany a long time) But it'd only make sense to do such a rush job if I get: - Assurance you'd actually want it for this w/end, & not just prefer to do your own FreeBSD specific version (in which case I'd still suggest look at Oliver's leaflet producing Makefile etc, even if the German text is not of interest. - From Rainer: - Confirmation if he's got a freeze point he could release to me. - His agreement on how best I should expand a single to a dual language version, with common formatting directives & acronyms/numbers etc, so neither German nor English will easily suffer future bit rot after I give it back to him after weekend. (BTW Rainer, Re. tools, FYI I currently use as filters m4 to maintain a dual language version of http://berklix.org/bim/ top page, http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/jhs/bin/public/le/le.c to maintain a dual language version of my (groff sourced) CV I don't know Tek, but I guess I can learn fast (after all I don't need to change anything, just wrap dual language le or m4 filtering around chunks of dual language text & existing format directives. Let me know if you need a rush job by Friday then :-) Julian Stacey jhs @ berklix.com Computer Systems Engineer, Unix & Net Consultant, Munich. Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren. Munich BSD Conference: http://berklix.org/conf/ Spam phrases triggering deletion: http://berklix.com/jhs/mail/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 21 12: 2: 1 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2BB37B401 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:02:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04DE43E4A for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:01:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0573D27; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:01:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: "Julian H. Stacey" Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:01:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: any brochures or handouts available? Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, "Rainer Duffner" , "Oliver Fromme" Message-ID: <3E2D60E6.1373.4EDA06CC@localhost> In-reply-to: <200301211950.h0LJoGm69953@flip.jhs.private> References: Message from "Dan Langille" of "Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:31:48 EST." <3E2D2194.10555.4DE2A6AA@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 21 Jan 2003 at 20:50, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > If you really want an English version of our leaflet for use this > next weekend, I could try to squeeze time this week, & do an English > translation by Fri., (I'm English, but been in Germany a long time) > But it'd only make sense to do such a rush job if I get: > - Assurance you'd actually want it for this w/end, & not just > prefer to do your own FreeBSD specific version (in which case > I'd still suggest look at Oliver's leaflet producing Makefile > etc, even if the German text is not of interest. I think this is a good start and would rather not do my own. I also think the brochure will have long-term usefulness. > Let me know if you need a rush job by Friday then :-) Please. Would it help if we put out a call for additional translators? If so, I'll arrange for that. And would http://babelfish.altavista.com/ be any help as a start? -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 21 13:52:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB5137B401 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:52:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6DE843F5B for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:52:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09BDC3D27; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:52:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: "Julian H. Stacey" Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:52:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: any brochures or handouts available? Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, "Rainer Duffner" , "Oliver Fromme" Message-ID: <3E2D7AB7.20791.4F3EE0F9@localhost> In-reply-to: <200301211950.h0LJoGm69953@flip.jhs.private> References: Message from "Dan Langille" of "Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:31:48 EST." <3E2D2194.10555.4DE2A6AA@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 21 Jan 2003 at 20:50, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Let me know if you need a rush job by Friday then :-) Actually, it'll need to be ready late Thursday.... Because I'll need to print these up early Friday as most of the day is already booked. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 21 14: 5:20 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2963537B401 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:05:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsd.ultra-secure.de (bsd.ultra-secure.de [62.146.46.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B05343F13 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:05:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rainer@ultra-secure.de) Received: (qmail 73416 invoked by uid 90); 21 Jan 2003 22:07:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ultra-secure.de) (rainer@itsecurity-news.de@217.80.224.31) by bsd.ultra-secure.de with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 21 Jan 2003 22:07:34 -0000 Message-ID: <3E2DC521.E69CE9C8@ultra-secure.de> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:09:37 +0100 From: Rainer Duffner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (X11; U; OpenBSD 3.1 i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Langille Cc: "Julian H. Stacey" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Oliver Fromme Subject: Re: any brochures or handouts available? References: Message from "Dan Langille" of "Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:31:48 EST." <3E2D2194.10555.4DE2A6AA@localhost> <3E2D7AB7.20791.4F3EE0F9@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dan Langille wrote: > > On 21 Jan 2003 at 20:50, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > Let me know if you need a rush job by Friday then :-) > > Actually, it'll need to be ready late Thursday.... Because I'll need > to print these up early Friday as most of the day is already booked. > -- > Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ What timezone is this ? ;-) If this is the US, we've got some more hours ;-) Rainer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 21 14:11:41 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B6837B401 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:11:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F3943F13 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:11:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8492A3D27; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:11:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: Rainer Duffner Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:11:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: any brochures or handouts available? Cc: "Julian H. Stacey" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Oliver Fromme Message-ID: <3E2D7F4A.2517.4F50BDB9@localhost> In-reply-to: <3E2DC521.E69CE9C8@ultra-secure.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 21 Jan 2003 at 23:09, Rainer Duffner wrote: > Dan Langille wrote: > > > > On 21 Jan 2003 at 20:50, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > > > Let me know if you need a rush job by Friday then :-) > > > > Actually, it'll need to be ready late Thursday.... Because I'll need > > to print these up early Friday as most of the day is already booked. > > -- > > Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ > > > What timezone is this ? > ;-) > If this is the US, we've got some more hours ;-) I'm in Ottawa, so close enough. That's EST. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 22 9:33: 3 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D7237B401 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:33:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983EE43EB2 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:33:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 748B43D27; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:33:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: Eric Anderson Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:32:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: BSD Events Calendar Cc: "Marc G. Fournier" , advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3E2E8F7B.23076.5378117E@localhost> In-reply-to: <3E2EB5EF.8080104@centtech.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 22 Jan 2003 at 9:17, Eric Anderson wrote: > Anyone still interested in this? I know a few people said "Yea, we need > it", and I offered to register bsdevents.org and host it, but I didn't > see any sign of volunteers for it.. It's hard to get volunteers actually. I'm finding similar issues with my own projects. Well done on registering and hosting it. I suggest putting up a filler site and perhaps waiting. Sorry, but I'm full just now with other projects, none of which earn me an income unfortunately. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 22 9:43:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1588737B401 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:43:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from satanii.enemy.org (satanii.enemy.org [62.116.11.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 091AA43F1E for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:43:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shammer@satanii.enemy.org) Received: from satanii.enemy.org (shammer@localhost [IPv6:::1]) by satanii.enemy.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0MHjPb0002919; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:45:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from shammer@satanii.enemy.org) Received: (from shammer@localhost) by satanii.enemy.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0MHjJOS002872; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:45:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:45:19 +0100 From: Josef El-Rayes To: dan@langille.org, anderson@centtech.com Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, scrappy@hub.org Subject: Re: BSD Events Calendar Message-ID: <20030122174519.GA2746@satanii.enemy.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Anyone still interested in this? I know a few people said "Yea, +we need > it", and I offered to register bsdevents.org and host it, but I +didn't > see any sign of volunteers for it.. I am good at PHP, and webstuff, i would like to help you with setting up souch a eventcalender for our bsd community. greets, josef To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 22 11:50:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD0937B401 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:50:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from thor.acuson.com (ac17859.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 918D343ED8 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:50:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H94006SNSECQC@thor.acuson.com> for advocacy@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:49:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:43:19 -0800 Received: from balderdash.acuson.com (dhcp-46-100.acuson.com [157.226.46.100]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id Y2R0CCFQ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:45:00 -0800 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:49:55 -0800 From: Johnson David Subject: FreeBSD 5.0 Article To: advocacy@freebsd.org Message-id: <200301221149.55800.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Remember that post I did a few months back talking about features and benefits of 5.0? Well, I cleaned it up and now it's an article over at BSD Newsletter. http://www.bsdnewsletter.com/2003/01/Features68.html David Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 22 16:38: 5 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7565A37B405 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:38:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com (mailout11.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D25643E4A for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:38:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fwd04.sul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18bVNX-0000vC-01; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:37:59 +0100 Received: from jhs.muc.de (520006753247-0001@[217.228.208.172]) by fmrl04.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 18bVNO-1Jr4dMC; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:37:50 +0100 Received: from flip.jhs.private (flip.jhs.private [192.168.91.24]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0N0cjU68440; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:38:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from flip.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flip.jhs.private (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0N0cIm94144; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:38:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flip.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200301230038.h0N0cIm94144@flip.jhs.private> To: Eric Anderson , "Marc G. Fournier" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Events Calendar In-Reply-To: Message from "Dan Langille" of "Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:32:59 EST." <3E2E8F7B.23076.5378117E@localhost> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:38:18 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" X-Sender: 520006753247-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Dan Langille" wrote: > On 22 Jan 2003 at 9:17, Eric Anderson wrote: > > > Anyone still interested in this? I know a few people said "Yea, we need > > it", and I offered to register bsdevents.org and host it, but I didn't > > see any sign of volunteers for it.. FYI there's a german language list called bsd-events@unix-ag.uni-kl.de not that active, but if you send a a short note in english they may remember to feed you URLs to event in Europe they hear of. Julian Stacey jhs @ berklix.com Computer Systems Engineer, Unix & Net Consultant, Munich. Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren. Munich BSD Conference: http://berklix.org/conf/ Spam phrases triggering deletion: http://berklix.com/jhs/mail/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 22 17:59:33 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6457937B401 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:59:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com (mailout10.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5050D43EB2 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:59:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fwd06.sul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18bWeC-0005tz-00; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 02:59:16 +0100 Received: from jhs.muc.de (520006753247-0001@[217.228.208.172]) by fmrl06.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 18bWeA-23rBtwC; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 02:59:14 +0100 Received: from flip.jhs.private (flip.jhs.private [192.168.91.24]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0N209U68735; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 03:00:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from flip.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flip.jhs.private (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0N1xhm94590; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 02:59:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flip.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200301230159.h0N1xhm94590@flip.jhs.private> To: "Dan Langille" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, "Rainer Duffner" , "Oliver Fromme" Subject: Re: any brochures or handouts available? In-Reply-To: Message from "Julian H. Stacey" of "Tue, 21 Jan 2003 20:50:16 +0100." <200301211950.h0LJoGm69953@flip.jhs.private> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 02:59:43 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" X-Sender: 520006753247-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I wrote this morning > "Dan Langille" wrote: > > Do we have any brochures or handouts which can be printed off and > > distributed at events? Something along the lines of "What is > > FreeBSD, where can I find more info"? > > > > This would be generally useful and something I could use this weekend > > at OSW (http://www.osw.ca/). > > It's not quite what you want .. but .. There's an all 3 BSDs leaflet at > http://berklix.org/bim/leaflet/ > It's in German but, before you think `useless for Canada', > I guess a lot of the work in a leaflet is deciding on format & content > & tools & getting Makefile right etc, so you may like to take a > quick look. BSD buzzwords/ acronyms are the same anyway. > > It produces a nice format: landscape sheet with double vertical > fold, leaflet style, red demon on front, swatting a fly from Windows. > It was written by Oliver Fromme for a trade show 18 months ago. > Rainer Duffner, also of our Munich BSD user group is doing a merge > of 2 versions. I've cc'd both. ... > Let me know if you need a rush job by Friday then :-) It's now Thu Jan 23 02:18:54 CET 2003 & I've finished the translation. Source & paper size images are up on http://www.berklix.org/bim/leaflet/dual/ There's some loose ends to tidy - A4 paper not USA, - 2nd page prints wrong way up, - English version seems sonsiderably shorter than German (hope I missed nothing ?) but all that's minor, can be dealt with later, it's time to sleep ! :-) PS I've tried to be fairly faithful to the German original, so if there's something in the English you don't approve, or is obsolete, it could be I've inherited it from the German, which was first written 1.5 years ago. There's even a few comments in there, of things I'd like to see checked. PPS Changes are best sent me in diff -c leaflet.m4 Julian Stacey jhs @ berklix.com Computer Systems Engineer, Unix & Net Consultant, Munich. Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren. Munich BSD Conference: http://berklix.org/conf/ Spam phrases triggering deletion: http://berklix.com/jhs/mail/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jan 24 22:27:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A0637B401 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 22:27:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from kurush.osdn.org.ua (external.osdn.org.ua [212.40.34.156]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B6CE43F5B for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 22:27:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from never@kurush.osdn.org.ua) Received: from kurush.osdn.org.ua (never@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kurush.osdn.org.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0P6RXWK093365 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 08:27:34 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from never@kurush.osdn.org.ua) Received: (from never@localhost) by kurush.osdn.org.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0P6RX4E093364 for freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 08:27:33 +0200 (EET) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 08:27:32 +0200 From: Alexandr Kovalenko To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... Message-ID: <20030125062732.GA92204@nevermind.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Just found very good article @osnews.com about PRing 5.0-RELEASE: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2650 You know, it is true. I would like to start new initiative inside FreeBSD Project to promote FreeBSD worldwide. The aims and tasks of project will be: - make press releases on all possible languages about significant events in FreeBSD projects; - pass those press releases to all local mass media, either on- or offline; - working together with publishers so that they will issue handbook on local language (if avaliable); - working with authors to help them make _good_ books about FreeBSD, not bad-translated-handbook-not-having-any-clue-what-is-being-translated; - working with CD publishers so that they will issue FreeBSD boxes (here in Kiev, Ukraine, I can find only different flavours of Linux being sold, and only once I've seen 4.5-RELEASE 4CD box, when 4.7 was out, I've asked consultant, and he said that they had 7 such boxen and sold them very fast (2 days)), there is demand for such boxs everywhere, but, for example here in .ua we cannot buy those 4CD boxes. Yes we can buy it from overseas, but pricing is too high compared to our local salaries :/ I would like to ask if anyone interested in this? P.S. Sorry for my very bad English, I hope you understood me. -- NEVE-RIPE, will build world for food Ukrainian FreeBSD User Group http://uafug.org.ua/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jan 25 5: 1:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E536737B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 05:01:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from satanii.enemy.org (satanii.enemy.org [62.116.11.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F3743ED8 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 05:01:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shammer@satanii.enemy.org) Received: from satanii.enemy.org (shammer@localhost [IPv6:::1]) by satanii.enemy.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0PD3mb0094220; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:03:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from shammer@satanii.enemy.org) Received: (from shammer@localhost) by satanii.enemy.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0PD3lic094219; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:03:47 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:03:47 +0100 From: Josef El-Rayes To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Cc: never@nevermind.kiev.ua Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... Message-ID: <20030125130347.GA93965@satanii.enemy.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! > I would like to start new initiative inside FreeBSD Project to promote FreeBSD worldwide. I share your opinion. it really has to be done such kind of work, for getting more attention - which will surely help the project getting more support. i offer my help, but without supervision from the core or at least some commiters, i fear this attemp will fail. greets, josef To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jan 25 7:53:48 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9324637B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 07:53:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5016B43EB2 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 07:53:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0PFriIF046915 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:53:44 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: Subject: RE: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:53:32 +0100 Message-ID: <004b01c2c489$ea0b54d0$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <20030125130347.GA93965@satanii.enemy.org> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Hello! > > > I would like to start new initiative inside FreeBSD Project > to promote FreeBSD worldwide. > > I share your opinion. it really has to be done such kind of > work, for getting more attention - which will surely help > the project getting more support. > > i offer my help, but without supervision from the core or at > least some commiters, i fear this attemp will fail. I'd be willing to help with this effort as well... I've been using FreeBSD for quite some time both at home and in the work environment and would like to "give" something back to the community. -Stacy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jan 25 9:58:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DAC637B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:58:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from priv-edtnes61.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9770243E4A for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:58:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfak@telus.net) Received: from [192.168.1.179] ([216.232.36.68]) by priv-edtnes61.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030125175838.LRQV7527.priv-edtnes61.telusplanet.net@[192.168.1.179]>; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:58:38 -0700 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... From: Peter Kieser To: Alexandr Kovalenko Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <20030125062732.GA92204@nevermind.kiev.ua> References: <20030125062732.GA92204@nevermind.kiev.ua> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1043517532.651.1.camel@sharpie> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 25 Jan 2003 09:58:52 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Heck, I can't even get a FreeBSD 4.5 box where I live. In BC, Canada. I'd love to see it in the stores, I'd surely buy it if at all possible. On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 22:27, Alexandr Kovalenko wrote: > Hello, > > Just found very good article @osnews.com about PRing 5.0-RELEASE: > > http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2650 > > You know, it is true. > > I would like to start new initiative inside FreeBSD Project to promote > FreeBSD worldwide. The aims and tasks of project will be: > > - make press releases on all possible languages about significant > events in FreeBSD projects; > - pass those press releases to all local mass media, either on- or > offline; > - working together with publishers so that they will issue handbook > on local language (if avaliable); > - working with authors to help them make _good_ books about FreeBSD, > not > bad-translated-handbook-not-having-any-clue-what-is-being-translated; > - working with CD publishers so that they will issue FreeBSD boxes > (here in Kiev, Ukraine, I can find only different flavours of > Linux being sold, and only once I've seen 4.5-RELEASE 4CD box, > when 4.7 was out, I've asked consultant, and he said that they had > 7 such boxen and sold them very fast (2 days)), there is demand > for such boxs everywhere, but, for example here in .ua we cannot > buy those 4CD boxes. Yes we can buy it from overseas, but pricing > is too high compared to our local salaries :/ > > I would like to ask if anyone interested in this? > > P.S. Sorry for my very bad English, I hope you understood me. -- Peter Kieser pfak@telus.net () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ - against microsoft attachments To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jan 25 10:41:44 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4D937B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:41:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from prometheus.home.laserfence.net (apollo.laserfence.net [196.44.69.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF0B43EB2 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:41:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@phoenix.home.laserfence.net) Received: from phoenix.home.laserfence.net ([192.168.0.2]) by prometheus.home.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18cVEm-0007ip-00; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 20:41:04 +0200 Received: from will by phoenix.home.laserfence.net with local (Exim 4.10) id 18cVEk-0002zE-00; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 20:41:02 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Willie Viljoen To: Peter Kieser Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 20:41:02 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <20030125062732.GA92204@nevermind.kiev.ua> <1043517532.651.1.camel@sharpie> In-Reply-To: <1043517532.651.1.camel@sharpie> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200301252041.02493.will@unfoldings.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You can buy 4.7 from http://www.freebsdmall.com/ :) On Saturday 25 January 2003 19:58, Peter Kieser wrote: > Heck, I can't even get a FreeBSD 4.5 box where I live. In BC, Canada. > I'd love to see it in the stores, I'd surely buy it if at all possible. > > On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 22:27, Alexandr Kovalenko wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Just found very good article @osnews.com about PRing 5.0-RELEASE: > > > > http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3D2650 > > > > You know, it is true. > > > > I would like to start new initiative inside FreeBSD Project to promot= e > > FreeBSD worldwide. The aims and tasks of project will be: > > > > =09- make press releases on all possible languages about significant > > =09 events in FreeBSD projects; > > =09- pass those press releases to all local mass media, either on- or > > =09 offline; > > =09- working together with publishers so that they will issue handboo= k > > =09 on local language (if avaliable); > > =09- working with authors to help them make _good_ books about FreeBS= D, > > =09 not > > =09 bad-translated-handbook-not-having-any-clue-what-is-being-transl= ated; > > =09- working with CD publishers so that they will issue FreeBSD boxes > > =09 (here in Kiev, Ukraine, I can find only different flavours of > > =09 Linux being sold, and only once I've seen 4.5-RELEASE 4CD box, > > =09 when 4.7 was out, I've asked consultant, and he said that they h= ad > > =09 7 such boxen and sold them very fast (2 days)), there is demand > > =09 for such boxs everywhere, but, for example here in .ua we cannot > > =09 buy those 4CD boxes. Yes we can buy it from overseas, but pricin= g > > =09 is too high compared to our local salaries :/ > > > > I would like to ask if anyone interested in this? > > > > P.S. Sorry for my very bad English, I hope you understood me. --=20 Willie Viljoen Freelance IT Consultant 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas Bloemfontein 9321 South Africa +27 51 522 15 60 +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) will@unfoldings.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jan 25 12:25:41 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F90837B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:25:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from priv-edtnes62.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE0F43EB2 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:25:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfak@telus.net) Received: from [192.168.1.179] ([216.232.36.68]) by priv-edtnes62.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030125202532.FDAH1598.priv-edtnes62.telusplanet.net@[192.168.1.179]>; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 13:25:32 -0700 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... From: Peter Kieser To: Willie Viljoen Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200301252041.02493.will@unfoldings.net> References: <20030125062732.GA92204@nevermind.kiev.ua> <1043517532.651.1.camel@sharpie> <200301252041.02493.will@unfoldings.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1043526347.651.3.camel@sharpie> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 25 Jan 2003 12:25:47 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I actually wanna buy it in the store. Not online. On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 10:41, Willie Viljoen wrote: > You can buy 4.7 from http://www.freebsdmall.com/ :) > > On Saturday 25 January 2003 19:58, Peter Kieser wrote: > > Heck, I can't even get a FreeBSD 4.5 box where I live. In BC, Canada. > > I'd love to see it in the stores, I'd surely buy it if at all possible. > > > > On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 22:27, Alexandr Kovalenko wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > Just found very good article @osnews.com about PRing 5.0-RELEASE: > > > > > > http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2650 > > > > > > You know, it is true. > > > > > > I would like to start new initiative inside FreeBSD Project to promote > > > FreeBSD worldwide. The aims and tasks of project will be: > > > > > > - make press releases on all possible languages about significant > > > events in FreeBSD projects; > > > - pass those press releases to all local mass media, either on- or > > > offline; > > > - working together with publishers so that they will issue handbook > > > on local language (if avaliable); > > > - working with authors to help them make _good_ books about FreeBSD, > > > not > > > bad-translated-handbook-not-having-any-clue-what-is-being-translated; > > > - working with CD publishers so that they will issue FreeBSD boxes > > > (here in Kiev, Ukraine, I can find only different flavours of > > > Linux being sold, and only once I've seen 4.5-RELEASE 4CD box, > > > when 4.7 was out, I've asked consultant, and he said that they had > > > 7 such boxen and sold them very fast (2 days)), there is demand > > > for such boxs everywhere, but, for example here in .ua we cannot > > > buy those 4CD boxes. Yes we can buy it from overseas, but pricing > > > is too high compared to our local salaries :/ > > > > > > I would like to ask if anyone interested in this? > > > > > > P.S. Sorry for my very bad English, I hope you understood me. -- Peter Kieser pfak@telus.net () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ - against microsoft attachments To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jan 25 12:45:58 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 941D837B405 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:45:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D0843F18 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:45:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0PKjnd4001048; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:45:49 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: "'Peter Kieser'" , "'Willie Viljoen'" Cc: Subject: RE: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:45:37 +0100 Message-ID: <007d01c2c4b2$b7afcdd0$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <1043526347.651.3.camel@sharpie> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've gotten it from CompUSA stores before... Just go down to Washington State and find your closest CompUSA.. Here is a location that might be close (or far from you depending on where in BC you live): Bellevue Superstore Store # 184 100 108th Ave N.E. The Shops @ Main Street Bellevue, WA 98004 Mon - Sat: 9am - 9pm Sun:10am - 6pm Phone Numbers Main: (425) 452-9511 Fax: (425) 452-3198 Service Center: (425) 452-3175 You can find directions to it from the link on their page at www.compusa.com Hope this helps. -Stacy > > > I actually wanna buy it in the store. Not online. > > On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 10:41, Willie Viljoen wrote: > > You can buy 4.7 from http://www.freebsdmall.com/ :) > > > > On Saturday 25 January 2003 19:58, Peter Kieser wrote: > > > Heck, I can't even get a FreeBSD 4.5 box where I live. In > BC, Canada. > > > I'd love to see it in the stores, I'd surely buy it if at > all possible. > > > > > > On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 22:27, Alexandr Kovalenko wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Just found very good article @osnews.com about PRing > 5.0-RELEASE: > > > > > > > > http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2650 > > > > > > > > You know, it is true. > > > > > > > > I would like to start new initiative inside FreeBSD > Project to promote > > > > FreeBSD worldwide. The aims and tasks of project will be: > > > > > > > > - make press releases on all possible languages > about significant > > > > events in FreeBSD projects; > > > > - pass those press releases to all local mass > media, either on- or > > > > offline; > > > > - working together with publishers so that they > will issue handbook > > > > on local language (if avaliable); > > > > - working with authors to help them make _good_ > books about FreeBSD, > > > > not > > > > > bad-translated-handbook-not-having-any-clue-what-is-being-translated; > > > > - working with CD publishers so that they will > issue FreeBSD boxes > > > > (here in Kiev, Ukraine, I can find only > different flavours of > > > > Linux being sold, and only once I've seen > 4.5-RELEASE 4CD box, > > > > when 4.7 was out, I've asked consultant, and > he said that they had > > > > 7 such boxen and sold them very fast (2 > days)), there is demand > > > > for such boxs everywhere, but, for example > here in .ua we cannot > > > > buy those 4CD boxes. Yes we can buy it from > overseas, but pricing > > > > is too high compared to our local salaries :/ > > > > > > > > I would like to ask if anyone interested in this? > > > > > > > > P.S. Sorry for my very bad English, I hope you understood me. > -- > Peter Kieser > pfak@telus.net > > () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail > /\ - against microsoft attachments > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jan 25 12:51:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B827037B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:51:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C04143ED8 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:51:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0PKpnd4001072; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:51:49 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: "'Stacy Olivas'" , "'Peter Kieser'" , "'Willie Viljoen'" Cc: Subject: RE: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:51:37 +0100 Message-ID: <007e01c2c4b3$8e046d00$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <007d01c2c4b2$b7afcdd0$0502000a@sentinel> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Oops, I just realized I hit Bellevue.. that is WAY to far south for you.. sorry, it's been several years since I've been back to Washington so I forgot what cities are up towards the Northern border.. Try this: The closest one to Everett would be: Mountlake Terrace Superstore Store # 411 6007-A 244th Street SW S.W. Mountlake Terrace, WA 98043-5453 Store Hours Mon - Sat: 9am - 9pm Sun:10am - 6pm Phone Numbers Main: (425) 744-0165 Fax: (425) 744-2598 Service Center: (425) 744-2575 Then again, this too might be too far for you. -Stacy > > > I've gotten it from CompUSA stores before... Just go down to > Washington > State and find your closest CompUSA.. > > Here is a location that might be close (or far from you > depending on where > in BC you live): > > Bellevue Superstore > Store # 184 > 100 108th Ave N.E. > The Shops @ Main Street > Bellevue, WA 98004 > > Mon - Sat: 9am - 9pm Sun:10am - 6pm > Phone Numbers Main: (425) 452-9511 Fax: (425) 452-3198 > Service Center: (425) 452-3175 > > You can find directions to it from the link on their page at > www.compusa.com > > Hope this helps. > > -Stacy > > > > > > > I actually wanna buy it in the store. Not online. > > > > On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 10:41, Willie Viljoen wrote: > > > You can buy 4.7 from http://www.freebsdmall.com/ :) > > > > > > On Saturday 25 January 2003 19:58, Peter Kieser wrote: > > > > Heck, I can't even get a FreeBSD 4.5 box where I live. In > > BC, Canada. > > > > I'd love to see it in the stores, I'd surely buy it if at > > all possible. > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 22:27, Alexandr Kovalenko wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > Just found very good article @osnews.com about PRing > > 5.0-RELEASE: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2650 > > > > > > > > > > You know, it is true. > > > > > > > > > > I would like to start new initiative inside FreeBSD > > Project to promote > > > > > FreeBSD worldwide. The aims and tasks of project will be: > > > > > > > > > > - make press releases on all possible languages > > about significant > > > > > events in FreeBSD projects; > > > > > - pass those press releases to all local mass > > media, either on- or > > > > > offline; > > > > > - working together with publishers so that they > > will issue handbook > > > > > on local language (if avaliable); > > > > > - working with authors to help them make _good_ > > books about FreeBSD, > > > > > not > > > > > > > > bad-translated-handbook-not-having-any-clue-what-is-being-translated; > > > > > - working with CD publishers so that they will > > issue FreeBSD boxes > > > > > (here in Kiev, Ukraine, I can find only > > different flavours of > > > > > Linux being sold, and only once I've seen > > 4.5-RELEASE 4CD box, > > > > > when 4.7 was out, I've asked consultant, and > > he said that they had > > > > > 7 such boxen and sold them very fast (2 > > days)), there is demand > > > > > for such boxs everywhere, but, for example > > here in .ua we cannot > > > > > buy those 4CD boxes. Yes we can buy it from > > overseas, but pricing > > > > > is too high compared to our local salaries :/ > > > > > > > > > > I would like to ask if anyone interested in this? > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Sorry for my very bad English, I hope you understood me. > > -- > > Peter Kieser > > pfak@telus.net > > > > () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail > > /\ - against microsoft attachments > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jan 25 14:29:22 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657CC37B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:29:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C1F43EB2 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:29:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0008.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.8] helo=mindspring.com) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18cYnV-00023l-00; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:29:10 -0800 Message-ID: <3E330F58.A9B3CC33@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:27:36 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Kieser Cc: Alexandr Kovalenko , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... References: <20030125062732.GA92204@nevermind.kiev.ua> <1043517532.651.1.camel@sharpie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a435503990812e9d2c72fc7cdc42295cc1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Kieser wrote: > Heck, I can't even get a FreeBSD 4.5 box where I live. In BC, Canada. > I'd love to see it in the stores, I'd surely buy it if at all possible. You need to talk to the reformulated Walnut Creek CDROM; also, please do not confuse "Sales" with "Marketing". On of the worst mistakes you can make, if you are a startup, is to lump them together while you are trying for funding. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jan 25 18:17:34 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB3837B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 18:17:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7996643EB2 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 18:17:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0Q2HVc4085150 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:17:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0Q2HUv0085149 for freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:17:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:17:30 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... Message-ID: <20030125211730.A85112@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20030125130347.GA93965@satanii.enemy.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20030125130347.GA93965@satanii.enemy.org>; from j.el-rayes@godskitchen.org on Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 02:03:47PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [[cc's trimmed, this is a general reply not directed at anyone in particular]] Believe it or else, this was discussed not too long ago. A press release was written for 5.0, and is available http://www.freebsd.org/news/press-rel-7.html Sadly, getting this press release onto newswire would cost a sum of money we just don't have, and contacting journalists directly is very time-consuming. But a few of us with @freebsd.org addresses are working on it. There was much discussion of an advocacy project not too long ago, just a couple months in fact. We went so far as to write a to-do list, which should still be in the archives. What happened? *Nothing.* This discussion generated sound and fury, but signified nothing. I would really like some help pushing FreeBSD on the media. If folks want to help, go grab the to-do list out of the archives and get to work! You don't have to be a committer, but in that same -advocacy thread I described the Easy Way to Become a Committer, with me as your sponsor. We need more advocacy. We know what to do. Please, if you want to help, grab that to-do list and get to work! At the moment, I'm afraid I'm not feeling like discussing this much further. We talked it to death last time, and nothing happened. Anyone who wants to help, please do so! Start by doing something, not by talking about how bad it is! ==ml On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 02:03:47PM +0100, Josef El-Rayes wrote: > > Hello! > > > I would like to start new initiative inside FreeBSD Project to promote FreeBSD worldwide. > > I share your opinion. it really has to be done such kind of work, for getting more attention - which will surely help the project getting more support. > > i offer my help, but without supervision from the core or at least some commiters, i fear this attemp will fail. > > greets, josef > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Absolute BSD: http://www.AbsoluteBSD.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jan 25 18:53:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BFE37B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 18:53:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from priv-edtnes62.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7062343E4A for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 18:53:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfak@telus.net) Received: from [192.168.1.179] ([216.232.36.68]) by priv-edtnes62.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030126025344.OGSF1598.priv-edtnes62.telusplanet.net@[192.168.1.179]>; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 19:53:44 -0700 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... From: Peter Kieser To: Terry Lambert Cc: Alexandr Kovalenko , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <3E330F58.A9B3CC33@mindspring.com> References: <20030125062732.GA92204@nevermind.kiev.ua> <1043517532.651.1.camel@sharpie> <3E330F58.A9B3CC33@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1043549638.651.11.camel@sharpie> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 25 Jan 2003 18:53:58 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Was searching through the archives and found this: "With version 5 coming up, we have a great chance to get people to look at FreeBSD, and to get a lot of positive press. We'd be fools to let that chance pass by." Well, I guess we are fools, we already let that chance go, and alot of people are looking at this release as the release that failed. On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 14:27, Terry Lambert wrote: > Peter Kieser wrote: > > Heck, I can't even get a FreeBSD 4.5 box where I live. In BC, Canada. > > I'd love to see it in the stores, I'd surely buy it if at all possible. > > You need to talk to the reformulated Walnut Creek CDROM; also, > please do not confuse "Sales" with "Marketing". On of the worst > mistakes you can make, if you are a startup, is to lump them > together while you are trying for funding. > > -- Terry -- Peter Kieser pfak@telus.net () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ - against microsoft attachments To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jan 25 19: 6: 2 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF2337B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 19:06:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B8F43F1E for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 19:05:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0Q35uc4085634; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 22:05:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0Q35uGv085633; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 22:05:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 22:05:56 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: Peter Kieser Cc: Terry Lambert , Alexandr Kovalenko , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... Message-ID: <20030125220556.A85608@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20030125062732.GA92204@nevermind.kiev.ua> <1043517532.651.1.camel@sharpie> <3E330F58.A9B3CC33@mindspring.com> <1043549638.651.11.camel@sharpie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1043549638.651.11.camel@sharpie>; from pfak@telus.net on Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 06:53:58PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, yes. But it can be fixed, even now. It would be nice if someone went into the archives, got out that comprehensive to-do list, and posted it in a nice HTML version where people could claim tasks, statuses could be given, etc. Committers are available to back real work. We are not available to spew hot air. :-) On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 06:53:58PM -0800, Peter Kieser wrote: > Was searching through the archives and found this: > > "With version 5 coming up, we have a great chance to get people to look > at FreeBSD, and to get a lot of positive press. We'd be fools to let > that chance pass by." > > Well, I guess we are fools, we already let that chance go, and alot of > people are looking at this release as the release that failed. > > On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 14:27, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Peter Kieser wrote: > > > Heck, I can't even get a FreeBSD 4.5 box where I live. In BC, Canada. > > > I'd love to see it in the stores, I'd surely buy it if at all possible. > > > > You need to talk to the reformulated Walnut Creek CDROM; also, > > please do not confuse "Sales" with "Marketing". On of the worst > > mistakes you can make, if you are a startup, is to lump them > > together while you are trying for funding. > > > > -- Terry > -- > Peter Kieser > pfak@telus.net > > () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail > /\ - against microsoft attachments > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Absolute BSD: http://www.AbsoluteBSD.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jan 25 19:15:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6851C37B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 19:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F48743EB2 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 19:15:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from question+advocacy@closedsrc.org) Received: by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id ACB74549D; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 19:15:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 19:15:11 -0800 From: Linh Pham To: Michael Lucas Cc: Peter Kieser , Terry Lambert , Alexandr Kovalenko , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... Message-ID: <20030126031511.GA63483@q.closedsrc.org> References: <20030125062732.GA92204@nevermind.kiev.ua> <1043517532.651.1.camel@sharpie> <3E330F58.A9B3CC33@mindspring.com> <1043549638.651.11.camel@sharpie> <20030125220556.A85608@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030125220556.A85608@blackhelicopters.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: closedsrc.org Mail-Copies-To: poster X-PGP-Key: http://olosecsrc.org/~question/pubkey.asc" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2003-01-25 22:05 -0500, Michael Lucas wro= te: # But it can be fixed, even now. It would be nice if someone went into # the archives, got out that comprehensive to-do list, and posted it in # a nice HTML version where people could claim tasks, statuses could be # given, etc. I've got some time tonight, I'll surf through the archives (and my mailbox, but if someone is kind enough to send me a copy... I'd really appreciate it), I'll make an HTML version of it. When done, should it just be a send-pr and mark it as docs and advocacy? Thanks --=20 Linh Pham question+advocacy@closedsrc.org Webmaster and FreeBSD Geek http://closedsrc.org Apprentice Manager Editor and Writer http://www.daemonnews.org Courage: The things I do for love | And So Western Civilization Crumbles --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+M1K/whofDeWkDMIRAhrvAKCgaf6SZEilM0+U36lj1bzwnCIxpQCdEl+B qSYvCt8gZQrsj7WWUpRImHk= =60zw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jan 25 20:53:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50FD37B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 20:53:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B63E43F13 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 20:53:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91E43D27; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:53:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: Peter Kieser Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:53:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... Cc: Alexandr Kovalenko , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <3E332388.26870.655A9E88@localhost> References: <3E330F58.A9B3CC33@mindspring.com> In-reply-to: <1043549638.651.11.camel@sharpie> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 25 Jan 2003 at 18:53, Peter Kieser wrote: > Was searching through the archives and found this: > > "With version 5 coming up, we have a great chance to get people to > look at FreeBSD, and to get a lot of positive press. We'd be fools to > let that chance pass by." > > Well, I guess we are fools, we already let that chance go, and alot of > people are looking at this release as the release that failed. Let them. Those that want to get off their asses and do something about it will do something about it. Generally, in projects, either you do it or it won't get done. No sense bitching about it. Much more credit goes to the people who do the work rather than those that complain about things which don't get done. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jan 25 20:57:33 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D23537B401; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 20:57:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B008543EB2; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 20:57:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011483D27; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:57:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: Michael Lucas Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:57:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <3E332471.28829.655E2DB9@localhost> In-reply-to: <20030125211730.A85112@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20030125130347.GA93965@satanii.enemy.org>; from j.el-rayes@godskitchen.org on Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 02:03:47PM +0100 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 25 Jan 2003 at 21:17, Michael Lucas wrote: > There was much discussion of an advocacy project not too long ago, > just a couple months in fact. We went so far as to write a to-do > list, which should still be in the archives. > > What happened? > > *Nothing.* > > This discussion generated sound and fury, but signified nothing. In short, people want something done. But nobody wants to do it. I'm all for suggestions and idea. But people have to realise that unless someone steps forward and actually does it, nothing will be accomplished. All it takes is one person to start and others will join in. But it seems nobody cares enough to do it. > I would really like some help pushing FreeBSD on the media. If folks > want to help, go grab the to-do list out of the archives and get to > work! Neah, it's far easier to suggest and moan! ;) > You don't have to be a committer, but in that same -advocacy thread I > described the Easy Way to Become a Committer, with me as your sponsor. > > We need more advocacy. > > We know what to do. > > Please, if you want to help, grab that to-do list and get to work! I agree with the above. Please folks, it's pretty simple to do. Do it. > At the moment, I'm afraid I'm not feeling like discussing this much > further. We talked it to death last time, and nothing happened. > Anyone who wants to help, please do so! Start by doing something, not > by talking about how bad it is! Good words. With that, I hope we hear the last about how bad things are. Either accept things, or improve them. But please, spare us the moaning! Thank you. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jan 25 21: 2:48 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8566A37B401; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:02:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net (outbound02.telus.net [199.185.220.221]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D79043F1E; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:02:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfak@telus.net) Received: from [192.168.1.179] ([216.232.36.68]) by priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030126050240.WSWL5251.priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net@[192.168.1.179]>; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 22:02:40 -0700 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... From: Peter Kieser To: Dan Langille Cc: Michael Lucas , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <3E332471.28829.655E2DB9@localhost> References: <20030125130347.GA93965@satanii.enemy.org> ; from j.el-rayes@godskitchen.org on Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 02:03:47PM +0100 <3E332471.28829.655E2DB9@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1043557374.27099.5.camel@sharpie> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 25 Jan 2003 21:02:54 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I should have something done about this by Monday, probably Sunday. So just hold tight, and then I'll post it somewhere, and we can start picking what people want to do, and actually doing it. On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 20:57, Dan Langille wrote: > On 25 Jan 2003 at 21:17, Michael Lucas wrote: > > > There was much discussion of an advocacy project not too long ago, > > just a couple months in fact. We went so far as to write a to-do > > list, which should still be in the archives. > > > > What happened? > > > > *Nothing.* > > > > This discussion generated sound and fury, but signified nothing. > > In short, people want something done. But nobody wants to do it. > I'm all for suggestions and idea. But people have to realise that > unless someone steps forward and actually does it, nothing will be > accomplished. All it takes is one person to start and others will > join in. But it seems nobody cares enough to do it. > > > I would really like some help pushing FreeBSD on the media. If folks > > want to help, go grab the to-do list out of the archives and get to > > work! > > Neah, it's far easier to suggest and moan! ;) > > > You don't have to be a committer, but in that same -advocacy thread I > > described the Easy Way to Become a Committer, with me as your sponsor. > > > > We need more advocacy. > > > > We know what to do. > > > > Please, if you want to help, grab that to-do list and get to work! > > I agree with the above. Please folks, it's pretty simple to do. Do > it. > > > At the moment, I'm afraid I'm not feeling like discussing this much > > further. We talked it to death last time, and nothing happened. > > Anyone who wants to help, please do so! Start by doing something, not > > by talking about how bad it is! > > Good words. With that, I hope we hear the last about how bad things > are. Either accept things, or improve them. But please, spare us > the moaning! Thank you. -- Peter Kieser pfak@telus.net () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ - against microsoft attachments To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jan 25 21: 5:15 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4510137B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:05:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A9A43E4A for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:05:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chrisc@daemonnews.org) Received: from daemonnews.org (12-255-24-24.client.attbi.com[12.255.24.24]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02) with SMTP id <2003012605050700200ml6pbe>; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 05:05:07 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 22:05:07 -0700 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Cc: Willie Viljoen , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org To: Peter Kieser From: Chris Coleman In-Reply-To: <1043526347.651.3.camel@sharpie> Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Saturday, January 25, 2003, at 01:25 PM, Peter Kieser wrote: > I actually wanna buy it in the store. Not online. BSDMall.com and FreeBSDMall.com both manufacture a retail boxed edition that is slowly appearing in stores. Both versions are easy for retail stores to get a hold of. However, It takes customers requesting it for most stores to pick it up. Both BSDMall and FreeBSD have people dedicated to trying to get BSD products into retail stores. We are having some success, but can only work so fast with our limited resources. If any of you can help us get the product into a retail store, please let us know. -Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jan 25 21:48:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CED3937B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:48:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from gis.net (home.gis.net [208.218.130.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE3C443F18 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:48:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@slaudiovis.org) Received: from rasputin ([63.214.104.109]) by mail.gis.net; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:48:17 -0500 From: "Patrick Cable II" To: Subject: FreeBSD Press Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:48:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c2c4fe$926f4c20$02007f0a@rasputin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <20030125220556.A85608@blackhelicopters.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello List! None of you know me; mainly because I don't have much to say (I read the lists, but only make comments when I feel I have something useful to contribute). As someone who is very happy with the FreeBSD operating system, I believe this can be my way of giving back. My mother, a Boston Globe Employee (owned by The New York Times, mind you), said a good way to get something printed in the business/tech section was to write a letter to the editor of the tech section, PR attached. From there, it could be picked up by other papers, etc. I don't know. It's definitely a thought. If we create a letter that we can accompany the PR with, I think we could get somewhere. When I get a chance I can start working on a nice letter. Though, ideas of what it should contain would be helpful. - Patrick Cable II Media Technician, Dennett Elementary School - Plympton, MA "Today is the tomorrow you were worried about yesterday. Was it worth it?" -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Michael Lucas Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:06 PM To: Peter Kieser Cc: Terry Lambert; Alexandr Kovalenko; freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... Well, yes. But it can be fixed, even now. It would be nice if someone went into the archives, got out that comprehensive to-do list, and posted it in a nice HTML version where people could claim tasks, statuses could be given, etc. Committers are available to back real work. We are not available to spew hot air. :-) On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 06:53:58PM -0800, Peter Kieser wrote: > Was searching through the archives and found this: > > "With version 5 coming up, we have a great chance to get people to look > at FreeBSD, and to get a lot of positive press. We'd be fools to let > that chance pass by." > > Well, I guess we are fools, we already let that chance go, and alot of > people are looking at this release as the release that failed. > > On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 14:27, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Peter Kieser wrote: > > > Heck, I can't even get a FreeBSD 4.5 box where I live. In BC, Canada. > > > I'd love to see it in the stores, I'd surely buy it if at all possible. > > > > You need to talk to the reformulated Walnut Creek CDROM; also, > > please do not confuse "Sales" with "Marketing". On of the worst > > mistakes you can make, if you are a startup, is to lump them > > together while you are trying for funding. > > > > -- Terry > -- > Peter Kieser > pfak@telus.net > > () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail > /\ - against microsoft attachments > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Absolute BSD: http://www.AbsoluteBSD.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message