From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 14 02:05:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282B337B404 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp03.web.de [217.72.192.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E1E43FD7 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:05:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jakamara@web.de) Received: from pd9ed39cb.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.237.57.203] helo=web.de) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.97 #53) id 194zuQ-0005tz-00; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:05:50 +0200 Message-ID: <3E9A79E5.5070609@web.de> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:05:41 +0200 From: Jakamara Bruce Jensen Organization: HaikTech User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: de-de, de, en-gb, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: +FBSD en advocacy References: <3E93F627.95F34FCD@mindspring.com> <3E956C60.20700@web.de> <3E9580F3.D5FF8FCD@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <3E9580F3.D5FF8FCD@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: jakamara@web.de Subject: Re: Brilliant and very useful for FreeBSD, IMHO X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:05:53 -0000 Terry Lambert wrote: > Jakamara Bruce Jensen wrote: >>Terry Lambert wrote: >>>Michael Josefsson wrote: >>Every user can fiddle around with own his settings for the look of his >>wm and other things and settings. >>But if he breaks it, he only has to switch back to standart, and he has >>a running system back agein. >>And no user has to care about the visual etc 'tunings' an other user has >>made. > > The scope of the "fiddling" with software settings is too large; > I guaranteed you, I can break things in such a way that it's very > had to get back to default settings, when it comes to software. Can you do it while you are logged in as user? If you can, then there are sloppy rights restrictions. If you are loged in as root or an other admin account, then I asume you know what you are doing. If you don't and break the system down, then everyone is right to blame on you. > The point of user interfaces is to abstract complexity; it always > has been. Whether or not this is possible, or the extent to which > it is possible, if it is possible, really defend on how well the > parts fit. Basically this comes down to normalization. An advantage of normalisation is that an UI can check if the data makes sense. In some cases at least. > One of the big strengths of FreeBSD is the rc.conf system; it is, > if we are to be honest with ourselves, a "registry". But is it writable as normal user? I don't think so. I always say, leave all the freedom for the admin, but keep the user away from things that can harm the system, if he doesn't nned it. ciou From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 19 22:34:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD79837B401 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B789943FDF for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:34:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 1977TL-00015g-00; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:34:39 -0700 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:34:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: BSD advocacy at LinuxFest Northwest, April 26, Bellingham, Washington, USA X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 05:34:46 -0000 Last year, I ran a booth and gave a lecture about BSD at LinuxFest in Bellingham, Washington, USA. I handed out many CDs from Wasabi Systems and FreeBSD Mall. And showed some examples and answered various questions. Approximately 350-400 people attended and probably over 100 came up to the booth. The event is being held in between Seattle and Vancouver BC. It is a full day. It is free. And it will have many lectures, classes, and booths. More information at: http://linuxnorthwest.com/ http://linuxnorthwest.com/pr2003.html http://newsvac.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/04/12/1742220 (last year) This year, the event is being organized by several Linux users groups, has larger facilities and has several big names in the Linux and open source community giving lectures. Some organizers are expecting more than 1000 to attend. I have already registered for a booth for BSD advocacy and have a few Pacific Northwest BSD users volunteering to assist. (Also, I am giving a 45 minute lecture again.) Also, Wasabi Systems and FreeBSD Mall already sent me many CDs to hand-out. (Anyone want to supply OpenBSD CDs?) We are still looking for a few volunteers to randomly stand at the booth, maybe have example systems, and to provide brochures to handout and to print posters. Anyone in the Pacific Northwest area interested in helping promote FreeBSD? Thank you, Jeremy C. Reed http://www.bsdnewsletter.com/