From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Mar 16 15:50:35 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4CC37B401 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:50:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BABDD43FBD for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:50:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mux@freebsd.org) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1920) id A0BBB2ED409; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:50:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 00:50:33 +0100 From: Maxime Henrion To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: call for testers: busdma locking patch Message-ID: <20030316235033.GL3819@elvis.mu.org> References: <20030315200309.GJ3819@elvis.mu.org> <15987.60605.319905.186118@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15987.60605.319905.186118@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin wrote: > Maxime Henrion writes: > > I'm currently working on locking down the busdma backends. The alpha > > backend already has some locking for the bounce pages, but it's slightly > > incomplete. This patch cleans it up a bit, and then I'll use the same > > locking scheme for x86, since those parts of busdma are identical. It > > would be very helpful if someone with alpha hardware could test it. > > Thanks for taking this on! > > The only current consumer of the bounce pages code on alpha is the > UP1000 platform, all other platforms use scatter/gather DMA for > address limited (ie, ISA), devices. > > I have a UP1000, but its currently in a totally hosed state. I'll > need to install 5.x on it, and build my way current. I might not have > time to do that for a while. > > I guess what I'm trying to say is: "don't hold your breath waiting for > testers" ;) Do you mean that I should commit the changes now or just don't expect to find testers soon ? :-) It would make my life much easier if I could commit it soon, because I have other changes pending and because I used the same locking (ie. what was in alpha + my fixes) to lock down the x86 busdma backend. It would be nice if we could get this done soon, so that making busdma-enabled drivers MP-safe is easier. Cheers, Maxime To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Mar 16 16:46:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E28A37B401; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:46:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net (heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8346443F93; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:46:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0507.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.252] helo=mindspring.com) by heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18uilX-0007Ks-00; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:46:12 -0800 Message-ID: <3E751A72.316B7230@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:44:34 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Maxime Henrion Cc: Andrew Gallatin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: call for testers: busdma locking patch References: <20030315200309.GJ3819@elvis.mu.org> <15987.60605.319905.186118@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20030316235033.GL3819@elvis.mu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a456fb36b65bf8578babf640435a8242fd2601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Maxime Henrion wrote: > Do you mean that I should commit the changes now or just don't expect to > find testers soon ? :-) It would make my life much easier if I could > commit it soon, because I have other changes pending and because I used > the same locking (ie. what was in alpha + my fixes) to lock down the x86 > busdma backend. It would be nice if we could get this done soon, so > that making busdma-enabled drivers MP-safe is easier. If you commit the changes, you will definitely scare testers out of the bushes... 8-) 8-). Be prepared for arrows and poison darts, though... -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Mar 16 18:12:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E7237B401; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:12:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-150.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42CDE43F3F; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:12:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD6E66B37; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:12:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BFC015A5; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:12:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:12:43 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: kde@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org Cc: re-alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: kdeutils broken on alpha Message-ID: <20030317021243.GA19830@rot13.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I could have sworn I'd checked this already, but kdeutils currently fails on alpha: http://bento.freebsd.org/errorlogs/alpha-4-latest/kdeutils-3.1.log ksimcpu.cpp: In method `void CpuView::updateCpu(CpuView::CpuData &, int)': ksimcpu.cpp:258: warning: deprecated conversion from string constant to `char *' ksimcpu.cpp:271: passing `unsigned int *' as argument 4 of `sysctl(int *, unsigned int, void *, size_t *, void *, long unsigned int)' ksimcpu.cpp:217: warning: unused parameter `int cpuNumber' gmake[4]: *** [ksimcpu.lo] Error 1 gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/tmp/a/ports/misc/kdeutils3/work/kdeutils-3.1/ksim/monitors/cpu' gmake[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/tmp/a/ports/misc/kdeutils3/work/kdeutils-3.1/ksim/monitors' gmake[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 I need someone to fix this ASAP; we're waiting on this for the 4.8-rc2 alpha release. Kris --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+dS8bWry0BWjoQKURAmg3AJ4wAdMOMG0lTze2vC+FtZm54VTUZgCdGnf1 2Kedy5xz7GD7yrcSjY7g+Go= =QB+6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Mar 16 18:14:31 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1338737B401; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:14:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-150.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC5A43FA3; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:14:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3850666B37; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:14:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 18ECB1002; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:14:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:14:29 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: lioux@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org, re-alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: gstreamer broken on alpha Message-ID: <20030317021429.GA19860@rot13.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZGiS0Q5IWpPtfppv" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --ZGiS0Q5IWpPtfppv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline This is one of the desired packages for CD #1, but it's currently broken on alpha: http://bento.freebsd.org/errorlogs/alpha-4-latest/gstreamer-0.6.0.log cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -I/usr/local/include -I.. -Werror -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I.. -O -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -c cothreads.c -Wp,-MD,.deps/libcothreads_la-cothreads.TPlo -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/libcothreads_la-cothreads.lo cc1: warnings being treated as errors cothreads.c: In function `cothreads_alloc_thread_stack': cothreads.c:426: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size cothreads.c:426: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size gmake[6]: *** [libcothreads_la-cothreads.lo] Error 1 gmake[6]: Leaving directory `/tmp/a/ports/multimedia/gstreamer/work/gstreamer-0.6.0/libs/ext/cothreads/cothreads' gmake[5]: *** [all] Error 2 Can someone please fix this ASAP? Kris --ZGiS0Q5IWpPtfppv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+dS+EWry0BWjoQKURAvsvAJwPzAKHBS92b+fyI0v4Z7qW3MNYogCgieHc km1N9Uby7UbvSGBPHAs2IVk= =DlkO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZGiS0Q5IWpPtfppv-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 17 7: 5: 4 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E7E37B401; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:04:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw.cscoms.com (mailgw.cscoms.com [202.183.255.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AABB643F85; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:04:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from job2546@thaimail.com) Received: from cscoms.com (mail.cscoms.com [202.183.255.23]) by mailgw.cscoms.com (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h2HF2Iil061893; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:02:19 +0700 (ICT) Received: from ME (dial-144.ras-21.bkk.c.cscoms.com [203.170.145.144]) by cscoms.com (8.12.8/8.12.3) with SMTP id h2HEpswo024883; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:51:55 +0700 (GMT) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:51:54 +0700 (GMT) Message-Id: <200303171451.h2HEpswo024883@cscoms.com> From: job2546@thaimail.com Subject: "ถ้าคุณยังทำสิ่งที่คุณทำอยู่วันนี้ พรุ่งนี้ก็จะเหมือนวันนี้ X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Reply-To: job2546@thaimail.com X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="#MYBOUNDARY#" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --#MYBOUNDARY# Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ansi Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "หากคุณล้มเหลวที่จะวางแผน ย่อมแปลว่าคุณวางแผนที่จะล้มเหลว" จิม โรห์น นักปรัชญาอันดับ 1 ของโลก เช่น คุณคิดว่าในชีวิตนี้เราคงไม่มีทางรวย คุณก็ไจะไม่มีทางรวยเลย หรือ "คุณคิดว่าสักวันถึงฉันต้องรวยแน่ๆ" จิม โรห์น บอกว่า "ถ้าคุณยังทำสิ่งที่คุณทำอยู่ทุกวันนี้ อีก 3 ปีข้างหน้าลองคิดดูว่า คุณจะมีโอกาสรวยได้หรือไม่" "ถ้าคำตอบคือ ใช่ คุณกำลังจะรวย" ก็ยินดีกับคุณด้วยครับคุณกำลังจะรวยแล้ว "แต่ถ้าคำตอบคือ ไม่ คุณไม่สามารถรวยได้" คุณต้องเปลี่ยนอะไรสักอย่างในชีวิตคุณแล้ว จิม โรห์น บอกอีกว่า "ถ้าคุณยังทำสิ่งที่คุณทำอยู่วันนี้ พรุ่งนี้ก็จะเหมือนวันนี้ ไปเรื่อยๆไม่มีที่สิ้นสุด" หมายความว่า -ถ้าวันนี้คุณยังต้องวิ่งหาเงิน จ่ายหนี้ต่างๆ -ถ้าวันนี้คุณยังถูกเจ้านายกดขี่ ใช้งานอย่างหนัก -ถ้าวันนี้คุณยังหาทางออกไม่ได้ ลองเปิดโอกาสให้ตัวเองดู เปิดใจของคุณให้กว้างแล้วเดินตามเรามาหรือปล่อยให้โอกาสนี้หลุดลอยไป ============================================================ คุณสามารถเข้าไปดูรายละเอียดเพิ่มเติมและกรอกข้อมูลเพื่อขอรับข้อมูลเบื้องต้นฟรี ! ได้ที่ http://www.geocities.com/thaigetrich/easywork ============================================================ ขออภัยหากข้อความนี้ถูกส่งไปยังคุณโดยบังเอิญ หากคุณไม่ต้องการรับข้อความนี้อีกกรุณา mail มาที่ www.ecommerce.web1000.com/unsub --#MYBOUNDARY#-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 17 7:10:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C5C437B401; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:10:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw.cscoms.com (mailgw.cscoms.com [202.183.255.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FFD24404E; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:09:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from job2546@thaimail.com) Received: from cscoms.com (mail.cscoms.com [202.183.255.23]) by mailgw.cscoms.com (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h2HF1qil061572; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:01:52 +0700 (ICT) Received: from ME (dial-144.ras-21.bkk.c.cscoms.com [203.170.145.144]) by cscoms.com (8.12.8/8.12.3) with SMTP id h2HEpswo024882; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:51:55 +0700 (GMT) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:51:54 +0700 (GMT) Message-Id: <200303171451.h2HEpswo024882@cscoms.com> From: job2546@thaimail.com Subject: "ถ้าคุณยังทำสิ่งที่คุณทำอยู่วันนี้ พรุ่งนี้ก็จะเหมือนวันนี้ X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Reply-To: job2546@thaimail.com X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="#MYBOUNDARY#" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --#MYBOUNDARY# Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ansi Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "หากคุณล้มเหลวที่จะวางแผน ย่อมแปลว่าคุณวางแผนที่จะล้มเหลว" จิม โรห์น นักปรัชญาอันดับ 1 ของโลก เช่น คุณคิดว่าในชีวิตนี้เราคงไม่มีทางรวย คุณก็ไจะไม่มีทางรวยเลย หรือ "คุณคิดว่าสักวันถึงฉันต้องรวยแน่ๆ" จิม โรห์น บอกว่า "ถ้าคุณยังทำสิ่งที่คุณทำอยู่ทุกวันนี้ อีก 3 ปีข้างหน้าลองคิดดูว่า คุณจะมีโอกาสรวยได้หรือไม่" "ถ้าคำตอบคือ ใช่ คุณกำลังจะรวย" ก็ยินดีกับคุณด้วยครับคุณกำลังจะรวยแล้ว "แต่ถ้าคำตอบคือ ไม่ คุณไม่สามารถรวยได้" คุณต้องเปลี่ยนอะไรสักอย่างในชีวิตคุณแล้ว จิม โรห์น บอกอีกว่า "ถ้าคุณยังทำสิ่งที่คุณทำอยู่วันนี้ พรุ่งนี้ก็จะเหมือนวันนี้ ไปเรื่อยๆไม่มีที่สิ้นสุด" หมายความว่า -ถ้าวันนี้คุณยังต้องวิ่งหาเงิน จ่ายหนี้ต่างๆ -ถ้าวันนี้คุณยังถูกเจ้านายกดขี่ ใช้งานอย่างหนัก -ถ้าวันนี้คุณยังหาทางออกไม่ได้ ลองเปิดโอกาสให้ตัวเองดู เปิดใจของคุณให้กว้างแล้วเดินตามเรามาหรือปล่อยให้โอกาสนี้หลุดลอยไป ============================================================ คุณสามารถเข้าไปดูรายละเอียดเพิ่มเติมและกรอกข้อมูลเพื่อขอรับข้อมูลเบื้องต้นฟรี ! ได้ที่ http://www.geocities.com/thaigetrich/easywork ============================================================ ขออภัยหากข้อความนี้ถูกส่งไปยังคุณโดยบังเอิญ หากคุณไม่ต้องการรับข้อความนี้อีกกรุณา mail มาที่ www.ecommerce.web1000.com/unsub --#MYBOUNDARY#-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 17 7:22:34 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59D3037B401; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:22:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38CFE43F3F; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:22:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HFMTRv017053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h2HFMOR98513; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:22:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15989.59440.389659.264808@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:22:24 -0500 (EST) To: Maxime Henrion Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: call for testers: busdma locking patch In-Reply-To: <20030316235033.GL3819@elvis.mu.org> References: <20030315200309.GJ3819@elvis.mu.org> <15987.60605.319905.186118@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20030316235033.GL3819@elvis.mu.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Maxime Henrion writes: > Do you mean that I should commit the changes now or just don't expect to > find testers soon ? :-) It would make my life much easier if I could Yes ;) I think you should commit the changes now. I doubt they will be tested for a little while, but that won't be the first time. From eyeballing the patch, it certainly looks OK. > commit it soon, because I have other changes pending and because I used > the same locking (ie. what was in alpha + my fixes) to lock down the x86 > busdma backend. It would be nice if we could get this done soon, so > that making busdma-enabled drivers MP-safe is easier. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 17 8:12:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE44737B401; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:12:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8739943FAF; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:12:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (ru@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.12.8/8.12.8/Sunbay) with ESMTP id h2HGCKeK002272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:12:20 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2HGCJcP002267; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:12:19 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:12:19 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: current@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! Message-ID: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! Hold off upgrading your Alphas for a moment. Something broke libc recently that results in (at least) floating point exceptions from awk(1) (this is not related to today's awk upgrade). I've been able to reproduce this on beast.freebsd.org by building the fresh libc.a and linking awk with it, and running a test case. I haven't been able to reproduce this with 8th March libc, so the time window for the breakage is low. I suspect the recent gtdoa commit to libc; we will know that is less than an hour. Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+dfPjUkv4P6juNwoRAoVLAJ9K+Yv2cUQfBhrJ6JbTXf3AL2PLlQCggihU KhEEtTSVp6VGLxkz8+NJnLI= =lwRG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 17 8:40:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFFF037B404; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:40:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E4843F93; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:40:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (ru@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.12.8/8.12.8/Sunbay) with ESMTP id h2HGebeK005840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:40:38 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2HGebeK005835; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:40:37 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:40:37 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: David Schultz , current@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! Message-ID: <20030317164037.GB98100@sunbay.com> References: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> <200303150947.h2F9l5eQ028059@repoman.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> <200303150947.h2F9l5eQ028059@repoman.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, as I have suspected, the gdtoa change is responsible for a breakage. libc corresponding to this lib/libc works: cvs -q up -P -d -D'2003/03/12 20:20:00' : Using /home/ru/w/f/usr.bin/awk/nawk nawk... This version, together with contrib/gdtoa, doesn't: cvs -q up -P -d -D'2003/03/12 20:29:59' : Using /home/ru/w/f/usr.bin/awk/nawk nawk... : nawk: floating point exception 8 : input record number 325, file : source line number 84 To see the breakage, one needs to install new libc, and run (assuming that /usr/bin/nawk is dynamically linked) make in usr.bin/truss; this will run the awk(1) script that exhibits one of these FPEs. P.S. Hmm, I didn't test this on i386, as I found this bug when attempting to produce a cross-release of i386 on Alpha, so i386's may be affected too. Will see. On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 01:47:05AM -0800, David Schultz wrote: > das 2003/03/15 01:47:05 PST >=20 > FreeBSD src repository >=20 > Removed files: > lib/libc/stdlib strtod.c=20 > Log: > The gdtoa import apparently hasn't caused anything or anyone to > explode, so nix the old strtod() / dtoa(). This change is part > of the gdtoa patches reviewed on standards@. > =20 > Revision Changes Path > 1.26 +0 -2429 src/lib/libc/stdlib/strtod.c (dead) On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 06:12:19PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > Hi! >=20 > Hold off upgrading your Alphas for a moment. > Something broke libc recently that results in > (at least) floating point exceptions from > awk(1) (this is not related to today's awk > upgrade). >=20 > I've been able to reproduce this on beast.freebsd.org > by building the fresh libc.a and linking awk with > it, and running a test case. >=20 > I haven't been able to reproduce this with 8th > March libc, so the time window for the breakage > is low. >=20 > I suspect the recent gtdoa commit to libc; we > will know that is less than an hour. Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age --1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+dfqFUkv4P6juNwoRAgjFAJ46qT75LwA38ZKXzDtPWhEHcMgArACeNGP5 8P97haXxKZ7c4Q9pFnLuOfI= =ddAa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 17 8:43:23 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D86B37B404; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:43:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7145443F3F; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:43:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (ru@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.12.8/8.12.8/Sunbay) with ESMTP id h2HGhCeK006298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:43:12 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2HGhCLk006293; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:43:12 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:43:11 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: David Schultz , current@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! Message-ID: <20030317164311.GC98100@sunbay.com> References: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> <200303150947.h2F9l5eQ028059@repoman.freebsd.org> <20030317164037.GB98100@sunbay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tqI+Z3u+9OQ7kwn0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030317164037.GB98100@sunbay.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --tqI+Z3u+9OQ7kwn0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 06:40:37PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > Yes, as I have suspected, the gdtoa change is responsible > for a breakage. libc corresponding to this lib/libc works: >=20 > cvs -q up -P -d -D'2003/03/12 20:20:00' >=20 > : Using /home/ru/w/f/usr.bin/awk/nawk nawk... >=20 > This version, together with contrib/gdtoa, doesn't: >=20 > cvs -q up -P -d -D'2003/03/12 20:29:59' >=20 Aye, should have added the " PST" to the D specifications. Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age --tqI+Z3u+9OQ7kwn0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+dfsfUkv4P6juNwoRAksXAJwOTViCQ+eMX66xLFnz+XwcPEU7RgCdHkbL Tdc7SXABgOZJMXKHsQNxY78= =pWKa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tqI+Z3u+9OQ7kwn0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 17 8:46:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD9137B401; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:46:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF3343F3F; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:46:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (ru@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.12.8/8.12.8/Sunbay) with ESMTP id h2HGkDeK006601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:46:13 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2HGkCE1006596; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:46:13 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:46:12 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: David Schultz , current@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! Message-ID: <20030317164612.GD98100@sunbay.com> References: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> <200303150947.h2F9l5eQ028059@repoman.freebsd.org> <20030317164037.GB98100@sunbay.com> <20030317164311.GC98100@sunbay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NtwzykIc2mflq5ck" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030317164311.GC98100@sunbay.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --NtwzykIc2mflq5ck Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 06:43:11PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 06:40:37PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > Yes, as I have suspected, the gdtoa change is responsible > > for a breakage. libc corresponding to this lib/libc works: > >=20 > > cvs -q up -P -d -D'2003/03/12 20:20:00' > >=20 > > : Using /home/ru/w/f/usr.bin/awk/nawk nawk... > >=20 > > This version, together with contrib/gdtoa, doesn't: > >=20 > > cvs -q up -P -d -D'2003/03/12 20:29:59' > >=20 > Aye, should have added the " PST" to the D specifications. >=20 *Blush*. I've mangled the dates. The correct date specifiers that I tested with are: 86 8:22am cvs -q up -P -d -D'2003/03/12 12:23:00 PST' 98 8:26am cvs -q up -P -d -D'2003/03/12 12:32:00 PST' Doesn't change anything except this though. ;) Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age --NtwzykIc2mflq5ck Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+dfvUUkv4P6juNwoRAuqpAJwLPoNSd+SrW7ou/K7IkWXoQXhOEQCeK0G6 T7z22ZLiu7pJyl1rLyCoLJQ= =4HHu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NtwzykIc2mflq5ck-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 17 9:35:36 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F075E37B401 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:35:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8601243F3F for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:35:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mux@freebsd.org) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1920) id 650AC2ED40D; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:35:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:35:35 +0100 From: Maxime Henrion To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: call for testers: busdma locking patch Message-ID: <20030317173535.GO3819@elvis.mu.org> References: <20030315200309.GJ3819@elvis.mu.org> <15987.60605.319905.186118@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20030316235033.GL3819@elvis.mu.org> <15989.59440.389659.264808@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15989.59440.389659.264808@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Maxime Henrion writes: > > > Do you mean that I should commit the changes now or just don't expect to > > find testers soon ? :-) It would make my life much easier if I could > > Yes ;) > > I think you should commit the changes now. I doubt they will be > tested for a little while, but that won't be the first time. > >From eyeballing the patch, it certainly looks OK. Ok, I just committed the patch. Thanks for looking at it. Cheers, Maxime To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 17 10:37:49 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600ED37B404 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:37:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail16.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.216]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803C343FBD for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:37:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 26334 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2003 18:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail16.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 17 Mar 2003 18:37:52 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HIbhOv068687; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:37:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20030317021243.GA19830@rot13.obsecurity.org> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:38:03 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Kris Kennaway Subject: RE: kdeutils broken on alpha Cc: re-alpha@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org, kde@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 17-Mar-2003 Kris Kennaway wrote: > I could have sworn I'd checked this already, but kdeutils currently > fails on alpha: > > http://bento.freebsd.org/errorlogs/alpha-4-latest/kdeutils-3.1.log > > ksimcpu.cpp: In method `void CpuView::updateCpu(CpuView::CpuData &, int)': > ksimcpu.cpp:258: warning: deprecated conversion from string constant to `char *' > ksimcpu.cpp:271: passing `unsigned int *' as argument 4 of `sysctl(int *, unsigned int, void *, > size_t *, void *, long unsigned int)' > ksimcpu.cpp:217: warning: unused parameter `int cpuNumber' > gmake[4]: *** [ksimcpu.lo] Error 1 > gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/tmp/a/ports/misc/kdeutils3/work/kdeutils-3.1/ksim/monitors/cpu' > gmake[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/tmp/a/ports/misc/kdeutils3/work/kdeutils-3.1/ksim/monitors' > gmake[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > > I need someone to fix this ASAP; we're waiting on this for the 4.8-rc2 > alpha release. Please try out (untested) patch at http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/patches/kdeutils_alpha.patch It is a patch relative to ports/misc/kdeutils3/files. It should fix the silly warning as well. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 17 10:37:52 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06BA37B401 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:37:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail14.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7978743FAF for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:37:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 30830 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2003 18:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail14.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 17 Mar 2003 18:37:54 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HIbkOv068690; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:37:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20030317021429.GA19860@rot13.obsecurity.org> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:38:06 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Kris Kennaway Subject: RE: gstreamer broken on alpha Cc: re-alpha@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org, lioux@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 17-Mar-2003 Kris Kennaway wrote: > This is one of the desired packages for CD #1, but it's currently > broken on alpha: > > http://bento.freebsd.org/errorlogs/alpha-4-latest/gstreamer-0.6.0.log > > cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -I/usr/local/include -I.. -Werror -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 > -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I.. -O -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -c cothreads.c > -Wp,-MD,.deps/libcothreads_la-cothreads.TPlo -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/libcothreads_la-cothreads.lo > cc1: warnings being treated as errors > cothreads.c: In function `cothreads_alloc_thread_stack': > cothreads.c:426: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size > cothreads.c:426: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size > gmake[6]: *** [libcothreads_la-cothreads.lo] Error 1 > gmake[6]: Leaving directory > `/tmp/a/ports/multimedia/gstreamer/work/gstreamer-0.6.0/libs/ext/cothreads/cothreads' > gmake[5]: *** [all] Error 2 > > Can someone please fix this ASAP? Please try out the (untested) patch at http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/patches/gstreamer_alpha.patch More braindead userland programming. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 17 11:19:31 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F85537B401 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:19:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from 12-254-143-62.client.attbi.com (12-254-143-62.client.attbi.com [12.254.143.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A86D443FE3 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:19:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from soren@byu.edu) Received: (qmail 84613 invoked by uid 1001); 17 Mar 2003 19:19:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:19:24 -0700 From: Soren Harward To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: AS2100 SMP clock skew -- fixed or not? Message-ID: <20030317191924.GA84539@gandalf.tmmc.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-URL: http://home.byu.net/~sth22/ Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I see from list archives that there was some discussion on this list back in Nov. about extreme clock skews with the AlphaServer 2100 when it was running in SMP mode. Did that issue ever get fixed? I just installed 5.0 (standard release off the CD images) on my dual-processor AlphaServer 2100 and my clock is running at half speed. -- Soren Harward soren@byu.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 17 11:21:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FFC137B401 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:21:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C03144027 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:21:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HJLFjl035082; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:21:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2HJLFYC035081; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:21:15 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:21:15 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Soren Harward Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AS2100 SMP clock skew -- fixed or not? Message-ID: <20030317202115.A35066@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20030317191924.GA84539@gandalf.tmmc.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20030317191924.GA84539@gandalf.tmmc.dyndns.org>; from soren@byu.edu on Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 12:19:24PM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.8-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 12:19:24PM -0700, Soren Harward wrote: > I see from list archives that there was some discussion on this list > back in Nov. about extreme clock skews with the AlphaServer 2100 when it > was running in SMP mode. Did that issue ever get fixed? I just > installed 5.0 (standard release off the CD images) on my dual-processor > AlphaServer 2100 and my clock is running at half speed. I think Andrew Gallatin (gallatin@freebsd.org) has been working this issue. -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 17 11:31: 9 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E93D37B401 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:31:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249CC43F3F for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:31:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HJV0Rv012741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h2HJUts98769; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:30:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15990.8815.810592.704436@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:30:55 -0500 (EST) To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Soren Harward , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AS2100 SMP clock skew -- fixed or not? In-Reply-To: <20030317202115.A35066@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20030317191924.GA84539@gandalf.tmmc.dyndns.org> <20030317202115.A35066@freebie.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte writes: > On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 12:19:24PM -0700, Soren Harward wrote: > > I see from list archives that there was some discussion on this list > > back in Nov. about extreme clock skews with the AlphaServer 2100 when it > > was running in SMP mode. Did that issue ever get fixed? I just > > installed 5.0 (standard release off the CD images) on my dual-processor > > AlphaServer 2100 and my clock is running at half speed. > > I think Andrew Gallatin (gallatin@freebsd.org) has been working > this issue. No, he has not. Search the arhives. I think there may be a hack you can use in there somewhere. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 17 11:32:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7AFB37B401 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:32:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7407143FCB for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:32:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HJWVjl035218; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:32:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2HJWVGl035217; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:32:31 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:32:31 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Soren Harward , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AS2100 SMP clock skew -- fixed or not? Message-ID: <20030317203231.A35200@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20030317191924.GA84539@gandalf.tmmc.dyndns.org> <20030317202115.A35066@freebie.xs4all.nl> <15990.8815.810592.704436@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15990.8815.810592.704436@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 02:30:55PM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.8-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 02:30:55PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Wilko Bulte writes: > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 12:19:24PM -0700, Soren Harward wrote: > > > I see from list archives that there was some discussion on this list > > > back in Nov. about extreme clock skews with the AlphaServer 2100 when it > > > was running in SMP mode. Did that issue ever get fixed? I just > > > installed 5.0 (standard release off the CD images) on my dual-processor > > > AlphaServer 2100 and my clock is running at half speed. > > > > I think Andrew Gallatin (gallatin@freebsd.org) has been working > > this issue. > > No, he has not. Sorry, I know AS2x00x make you nervous ;) > Search the arhives. I think there may be a hack you can use in there > somewhere. > > Drew ---end of quoted text--- -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 17 14:12:35 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75E837B404; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:12:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from HAL9000.homeunix.com (12-233-57-224.client.attbi.com [12.233.57.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEBCB43F3F; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:12:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from das@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from HAL9000.homeunix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by HAL9000.homeunix.com (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h2HMCVnl008688; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:12:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from das@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from das@localhost) by HAL9000.homeunix.com (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h2HMCVvR008687; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:12:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from das@FreeBSD.ORG) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:12:31 -0800 From: David Schultz To: Ruslan Ermilov Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! Message-ID: <20030317221231.GA8626@HAL9000.homeunix.com> Mail-Followup-To: Ruslan Ermilov , current@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Ruslan Ermilov : > Hold off upgrading your Alphas for a moment. > Something broke libc recently that results in > (at least) floating point exceptions from > awk(1) (this is not related to today's awk > upgrade). > > I've been able to reproduce this on beast.freebsd.org > by building the fresh libc.a and linking awk with > it, and running a test case. > > I haven't been able to reproduce this with 8th > March libc, so the time window for the breakage > is low. > > I suspect the recent gtdoa commit to libc; we > will know that is less than an hour. Whups. You're probably using a locale in which the decimal point is not a period. In that case, please use the patches I just posted to the following thread, which I just CC'd you. If it really is an Alpha issue and not a locale issue, awk is probably dying on one of the scripts used by the kernel build. If you could send me the command line that causes awk to die, that would be helpful. I'm running a kernel build on beast right now to see if I can reproduce a problem. I have a meeting in a few minutes, but I'll be back in five hours or so to follow up on this. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 17 14:14:13 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4159A37B401; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:14:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-150.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB8843F85; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:14:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D4466D16; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:14:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0AE2E100F; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:14:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:14:11 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: John Baldwin Cc: Kris Kennaway , re-alpha@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org, lioux@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: gstreamer broken on alpha Message-ID: <20030317221410.GC23484@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030317021429.GA19860@rot13.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="adJ1OR3c6QgCpb/j" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --adJ1OR3c6QgCpb/j Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 01:38:06PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > Can someone please fix this ASAP? >=20 > Please try out the (untested) patch at > http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/patches/gstreamer_alpha.patch > More braindead userland programming. Thanks, John..now testing both of these. Kris --adJ1OR3c6QgCpb/j Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+dkiyWry0BWjoQKURApuDAKDukWSyIDRA7ZmFt9Lx+15JYi3ukwCeIxEk vzCVsSoiOsczQNAyHRhVmjE= =L6yO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --adJ1OR3c6QgCpb/j-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 17 14:19:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C53337B401; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:19:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990A443F93; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:19:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HMJpjl036287; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:19:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2HMJpRf036286; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:19:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:19:51 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: David Schultz Cc: Ruslan Ermilov , current@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! Message-ID: <20030317231951.A36267@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> <20030317221231.GA8626@HAL9000.homeunix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20030317221231.GA8626@HAL9000.homeunix.com>; from das@FreeBSD.ORG on Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 02:12:31PM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.8-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 02:12:31PM -0800, David Schultz wrote: > Thus spake Ruslan Ermilov : > > Hold off upgrading your Alphas for a moment. > > Something broke libc recently that results in > > (at least) floating point exceptions from > > awk(1) (this is not related to today's awk > > upgrade). > > > > I've been able to reproduce this on beast.freebsd.org > > by building the fresh libc.a and linking awk with > > it, and running a test case. > > > > I haven't been able to reproduce this with 8th > > March libc, so the time window for the breakage > > is low. > > > > I suspect the recent gtdoa commit to libc; we > > will know that is less than an hour. > > Whups. You're probably using a locale in which the decimal point > is not a period. In that case, please use the patches I just > posted to the following thread, which I just CC'd you. Ruslan has been using my Alphas to test this and there is no locale set on those. > If it really is an Alpha issue and not a locale issue, awk is > probably dying on one of the scripts used by the kernel build. > If you could send me the command line that causes awk to die, > that would be helpful. I'm running a kernel build on beast > right now to see if I can reproduce a problem. I have a meeting > in a few minutes, but I'll be back in five hours or so to follow > up on this. -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 17 16: 9:10 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C4AD37B401; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:09:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-150.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F3343F75; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:09:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C0F66B9B; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:09:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 50BD21018; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:09:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:09:07 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: John Baldwin Cc: Kris Kennaway , re-alpha@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org, lioux@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: gstreamer broken on alpha Message-ID: <20030318000907.GA24409@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030317021429.GA19860@rot13.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jRHKVT23PllUwdXP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --jRHKVT23PllUwdXP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 01:38:06PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > Can someone please fix this ASAP? >=20 > Please try out the (untested) patch at > http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/patches/gstreamer_alpha.patch > More braindead userland programming. This fixes the error..thanks! Can you please commit the patch ASAP? Kris --jRHKVT23PllUwdXP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+dmOjWry0BWjoQKURAvr7AKDYMzdWuo/VeWE67BpdIl/TuFfDSQCgsDYW XFer7u000a9Uj4YO2Rs2ja4= =ijY2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jRHKVT23PllUwdXP-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 17 18: 2: 5 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9EDC37B401; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:02:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-150.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A71043F75; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:02:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E271066B9B; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:02:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C44331007; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:02:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:02:00 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: John Baldwin Cc: Kris Kennaway , re-alpha@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org, lioux@FreeBSD.org, gnome@FreeBSD.org Subject: Gnome2 broken on alpha (Re: gstreamer broken on alpha) Message-ID: <20030318020200.GA24978@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030317021429.GA19860@rot13.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 01:38:06PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > Please try out the (untested) patch at > http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/patches/gstreamer_alpha.patch > More braindead userland programming. This fixes gstreamer, but not gstreamer-plugins is broken. This means gnome2 is still dead on alpha. http://bento.freebsd.org/errorlogs/alpha-4-latest/gstreamer-plugins-0.6.0_1.log Kris --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+dn4YWry0BWjoQKURAh8LAJ9UJmwI0TGgH+7ltOG0QbZFl+JceQCg9Lvv Upk0qilKeSTjxjrsOCE2D+E= =lzyp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 17 18: 3:21 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC5C37B401; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:03:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-150.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB0D43F3F; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:03:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520AD66BE5; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:03:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3DECB1018; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:03:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:03:18 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: John Baldwin Cc: Kris Kennaway , re-alpha@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org, kde@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: kdeutils broken on alpha Message-ID: <20030318020318.GB24978@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030317021243.GA19830@rot13.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5/uDoXvLw7AC5HRs" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --5/uDoXvLw7AC5HRs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 01:38:03PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > I need someone to fix this ASAP; we're waiting on this for the 4.8-rc2 > > alpha release. >=20 > Please try out (untested) patch at > http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/patches/kdeutils_alpha.patch It is a > patch relative to ports/misc/kdeutils3/files. It should fix the > silly warning as well. This fixes kdeutils..can you please commit it? Kris --5/uDoXvLw7AC5HRs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+dn5lWry0BWjoQKURAk0KAKCDsb39WYcuxeCyc20tptddwh5B9gCggd32 Wpbdfo2CfpVtPf3KAHKyTec= =gxlG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5/uDoXvLw7AC5HRs-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 17 18:19:15 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D93537B404; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:19:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-150.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5A443F93; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:19:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCBD166B9B; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:19:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CD7741016; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:19:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:19:13 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: emulation@FreeBSD.org Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: linux_devtools-6.1 broken on alpha Message-ID: <20030318021913.GB25100@rot13.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Fba/0zbH8Xs+Fj9o" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --Fba/0zbH8Xs+Fj9o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline http://bento.freebsd.org/errorlogs/alpha-4-latest/linux_devtools-6.1.log Kris --Fba/0zbH8Xs+Fj9o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+doIhWry0BWjoQKURAhekAKD6RAqe6vv0vW0eML8pPys+m3RKngCghmbu n2tKg6q2LOm1XApBiDNPurM= =/G2X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Fba/0zbH8Xs+Fj9o-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 17 23:13:27 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C49A37B408 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:13:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from 12-254-143-62.client.attbi.com (12-254-143-62.client.attbi.com [12.254.143.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E97AE43F85 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:13:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from soren@byu.edu) Received: (qmail 997 invoked by uid 1001); 18 Mar 2003 07:13:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 00:13:20 -0700 From: Soren Harward To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AS2100 SMP clock skew -- fixed or not? Message-ID: <20030318071319.GA592@gandalf.tmmc.dyndns.org> References: <20030317191924.GA84539@gandalf.tmmc.dyndns.org> <20030317202115.A35066@freebie.xs4all.nl> <15990.8815.810592.704436@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15990.8815.810592.704436@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-URL: http://home.byu.net/~sth22/ Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon 17 Mar 2003 at 14:30:55, Andrew Gallatin said: > Search the arhives. I think there may be a hack you can use in there > somewhere. This is what I ended up doing: In alpha_clock_interrupt() in /usr/src/sys/alpha/alpha/interrupt.c I changed the "#ifdef SMP" lines to "#ifdef SMP_BROKEN_AS2100" (which of course isn't #define'd). I re-compiled and now "sleep 5" actually sleeps for 5 seconds instead of 10. I haven't put this through really rigorous testing yet (the machine's been up for all of a half hour now -- I'm going to let it run overnight without ntpd to see if I still get some minor clock skew). Ideally, we could look to see if DEC_2100_A500 (this particular machine type) is defined in the config to see if we need to tweak this setting, however, GENERIC comes with DEC_2100_A500 #define'd by default, along with #define's for every other machine, so we'd probably need some other flag. Of course, if there's still some clock skew, we'd just need to fix the bug instead :) -- Soren Harward soren@byu.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 17 23:21: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C0237B401; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:20:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (rdu57-17-158.nc.rr.com [66.57.17.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9412143FA3; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:20:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) Received: from [10.2.1.4] (vpn-client-4.marcuscom.com [10.2.1.4]) by creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2I7JirI018981; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:19:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) Subject: Re: Gnome2 broken on alpha (Re: gstreamer broken on alpha) From: Joe Marcus Clarke To: Kris Kennaway Cc: John Baldwin , re-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, lioux@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD GNOME Users In-Reply-To: <20030318020200.GA24978@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030317021429.GA19860@rot13.obsecurity.org> <20030318020200.GA24978@rot13.obsecurity.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-wydqDsjMiIx83ylA3jBi" Organization: MarcusCom, Inc. Message-Id: <1047972048.320.2.camel@gyros> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 18 Mar 2003 02:20:49 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-22.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,PGP_SIGNATURE_2,REFERENCES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=-wydqDsjMiIx83ylA3jBi Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-71U7+zf+5ZAA1AUBoewX" --=-71U7+zf+5ZAA1AUBoewX Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 21:02, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 01:38:06PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: >=20 > > Please try out the (untested) patch at > > http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/patches/gstreamer_alpha.patch > > More braindead userland programming. >=20 > This fixes gstreamer, but not gstreamer-plugins is broken. This means > gnome2 is still dead on alpha. >=20 > http://bento.freebsd.org/errorlogs/alpha-4-latest/gstreamer-plugins-0.6.0= _1.log I think this patch should fix it. Joe >=20 > Kris --=20 PGP Key : http://www.marcuscom.com/pgp.asc --=-71U7+zf+5ZAA1AUBoewX Content-Disposition: attachment; filename*0=patch-gst-libs_ext_ffmpeg_ffmpeg_libavcodec_alpha_simple_idct; filename*1=_alpha.c Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/x-c; name*0=patch-gst-libs_ext_ffmpeg_ffmpeg_libavcodec_alpha_simple_idct_alp; name*1=ha.c; charset=ISO8859-1 --- gst-libs/ext/ffmpeg/ffmpeg/libavcodec/alpha/simple_idct_alpha.c.orig Tu= e Mar 18 02:16:44 2003 +++ gst-libs/ext/ffmpeg/ffmpeg/libavcodec/alpha/simple_idct_alpha.c Tue Mar= 18 02:18:08 2003 @@ -27,6 +27,8 @@ #include "asm.h" #include "../dsputil.h" =20 +typedef long int int_fast32_t + extern void (*put_pixels_clamped_axp_p)(const DCTELEM *block, uint8_t *pix= els, int line_size); extern void (*add_pixels_clamped_axp_p)(const DCTELEM *block, uint8_t *pix= els,=20 --=-71U7+zf+5ZAA1AUBoewX-- --=-wydqDsjMiIx83ylA3jBi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA+dsjQb2iPiv4Uz4cRAnhNAJ9oJuCtF3I4/tSil5sSBiTsO7ZZXQCgqdp5 w813ZmJ+/u3pjU9yriXqdPA= =pcv9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-wydqDsjMiIx83ylA3jBi-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 17 23:30:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA61237B404; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:30:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from HAL9000.homeunix.com (12-233-57-224.client.attbi.com [12.233.57.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9668943F85; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:30:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from das@FreeBSD.org) Received: from HAL9000.homeunix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by HAL9000.homeunix.com (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h2I7UJnl010855; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:30:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from das@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from das@localhost) by HAL9000.homeunix.com (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h2I7UJhm010854; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:30:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from das@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:30:19 -0800 From: David Schultz To: Ruslan Ermilov Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! Message-ID: <20030318073019.GA10737@HAL9000.homeunix.com> Mail-Followup-To: Ruslan Ermilov , current@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org References: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> <200303150947.h2F9l5eQ028059@repoman.freebsd.org> <20030317164037.GB98100@sunbay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030317164037.GB98100@sunbay.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Ruslan Ermilov : > Yes, as I have suspected, the gdtoa change is responsible > for a breakage. libc corresponding to this lib/libc works: > > cvs -q up -P -d -D'2003/03/12 20:20:00' > > : Using /home/ru/w/f/usr.bin/awk/nawk nawk... > > This version, together with contrib/gdtoa, doesn't: > > cvs -q up -P -d -D'2003/03/12 20:29:59' > > : Using /home/ru/w/f/usr.bin/awk/nawk nawk... > : nawk: floating point exception 8 > : input record number 325, file > : source line number 84 > > To see the breakage, one needs to install new libc, and > run (assuming that /usr/bin/nawk is dynamically linked) > make in usr.bin/truss; this will run the awk(1) script > that exhibits one of these FPEs. > > P.S. Hmm, I didn't test this on i386, as I found this > bug when attempting to produce a cross-release of i386 > on Alpha, so i386's may be affected too. Will see. The bug is Alpha specific; makenewsyscalls.sh will die if you are using an awk compiled with the new sources, regardless of what architecture you are building for. This is because floating point support on Alpha is broken unless you specifically tell gcc to unbreak it by specifying -mieee. This week is really bad for me, so unless there's a quick fix, I won't get a chance to look into it further until Thursday night. Here's a way (other than using -mieee when compiling awk) to hack around the problem. It may not work with higher optimization levels. Index: lib.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/contrib/one-true-awk/lib.c,v retrieving revision 1.1.1.3 diff -u -r1.1.1.3 lib.c --- lib.c 17 Mar 2003 07:59:58 -0000 1.1.1.3 +++ lib.c 18 Mar 2003 07:09:45 -0000 @@ -678,7 +678,7 @@ char *ep; errno = 0; r = strtod(s, &ep); - if (ep == s || r == HUGE_VAL || errno == ERANGE) + if (ep == s || isinf(r) || errno == ERANGE) return 0; while (*ep == ' ' || *ep == '\t' || *ep == '\n') ep++; That said, can someone out there with Alpha FP clue let me know why silent NaN's are broken? The architecture guide says that software support is needed to support quiet vs. signalling NaNs, but the default gcc settings seem to do this incorrectly. For instance, the following is wrong: das@beast:~> cat foo.c #include int main () { return (NAN == HUGE_VAL); } das@beast:~> gcc foo.c das@beast:~> ./a.out Floating exception das@beast:~> FWIW, the bug is caused by the fact that our strtod() didn't used to understand the string "nan" as specified in ANSI C99, and now it does. awk detects whether a given token is a number using strtod(), and since quiet NaNs seem to incorrectly cause exceptions on Alpha, it chokes on the "nanosleep" symbol in syscalls.master. I'm hoping there's a better solution than disabling support for NaNs in strtod(). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 17 23:45:32 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 977EA37B401; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:45:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0AB043FAF; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:45:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0103.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.103] helo=mindspring.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18vBms-00041Z-00; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:45:30 -0800 Message-ID: <3E76CE0F.8FAA6AE3@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:43:11 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Schultz Cc: Ruslan Ermilov , current@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! References: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> <200303150947.h2F9l5eQ028059@repoman.freebsd.org> <20030317164037.GB98100@sunbay.com> <20030318073019.GA10737@HAL9000.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a42f341de61baa556c1d230437a57e60df93caf27dac41a8fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Schultz wrote: > This is because floating point > support on Alpha is broken unless you specifically tell gcc to > unbreak it by specifying -mieee. Sounds like the ability to turn "-mieee" off at all, let alone making it the default, is bad? If so, why is that the way it is configured? > I'm hoping there's a better solution than > disabling support for NaNs in strtod(). Make "-mieee" on by default? -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 18 0: 1:35 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAECE37B401; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 00:01:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from HAL9000.homeunix.com (12-233-57-224.client.attbi.com [12.233.57.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D55D43F85; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 00:01:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from das@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from HAL9000.homeunix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by HAL9000.homeunix.com (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h2I81Wnl011094; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 00:01:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from das@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from das@localhost) by HAL9000.homeunix.com (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h2I81Wkv011093; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 00:01:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from das@FreeBSD.ORG) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 00:01:32 -0800 From: David Schultz To: Terry Lambert Cc: Ruslan Ermilov , current@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! Message-ID: <20030318080132.GB10867@HAL9000.homeunix.com> Mail-Followup-To: Terry Lambert , Ruslan Ermilov , current@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> <200303150947.h2F9l5eQ028059@repoman.freebsd.org> <20030317164037.GB98100@sunbay.com> <20030318073019.GA10737@HAL9000.homeunix.com> <3E76CE0F.8FAA6AE3@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E76CE0F.8FAA6AE3@mindspring.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Terry Lambert : > David Schultz wrote: > > This is because floating point > > support on Alpha is broken unless you specifically tell gcc to > > unbreak it by specifying -mieee. > > Sounds like the ability to turn "-mieee" off at all, let alone > making it the default, is bad? If so, why is that the way it > is configured? > > > I'm hoping there's a better solution than > > disabling support for NaNs in strtod(). > > Make "-mieee" on by default? Well, I was secretly hoping I'd get that answer from the Powers That Be, but I think it's off by default on purpose for efficiency reasons. That would imply that I need to come up with a workaround that involves not generating NaN values, *period*. Sigh. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 18 2: 3:40 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760EC37B401; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:03:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-150.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22AA743F93; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:03:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22CAB66B9B; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:03:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 187791009; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:03:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:03:36 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Joe Marcus Clarke Cc: Kris Kennaway , John Baldwin , re-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, lioux@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD GNOME Users Subject: Re: Gnome2 broken on alpha (Re: gstreamer broken on alpha) Message-ID: <20030318100336.GB997@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030317021429.GA19860@rot13.obsecurity.org> <20030318020200.GA24978@rot13.obsecurity.org> <1047972048.320.2.camel@gyros> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="98e8jtXdkpgskNou" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1047972048.320.2.camel@gyros> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --98e8jtXdkpgskNou Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 02:20:49AM -0500, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 21:02, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 01:38:06PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > >=20 > > > Please try out the (untested) patch at > > > http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/patches/gstreamer_alpha.patch > > > More braindead userland programming. > >=20 > > This fixes gstreamer, but not gstreamer-plugins is broken. This means > > gnome2 is still dead on alpha. > >=20 > > http://bento.freebsd.org/errorlogs/alpha-4-latest/gstreamer-plugins-0.6= .0_1.log >=20 > I think this patch should fix it. Still appears to be broken: http://bento.freebsd.org/errorlogs/alpha-4-latest/gstreamer-plugins-0.6.0_1= .log Kris --98e8jtXdkpgskNou Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+du73Wry0BWjoQKURApkZAJ4mjh95dSraC6VL4779Jeo4hKRtbQCgwIa3 tIFSZmcxwF1Nui7ceAF0BwM= =Zfeb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --98e8jtXdkpgskNou-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 18 5:48:27 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C976A37B404; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 05:48:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6867D43F75; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 05:48:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IDmNRv023175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:48:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h2IDmIL00315; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:48:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15991.9122.826678.673067@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:48:18 -0500 (EST) To: David Schultz Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! In-Reply-To: <20030318080132.GB10867@HAL9000.homeunix.com> References: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> <200303150947.h2F9l5eQ028059@repoman.freebsd.org> <20030317164037.GB98100@sunbay.com> <20030318073019.GA10737@HAL9000.homeunix.com> <3E76CE0F.8FAA6AE3@mindspring.com> <20030318080132.GB10867@HAL9000.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Schultz writes: > Thus spake Terry Lambert : > > David Schultz wrote: > > > This is because floating point > > > support on Alpha is broken unless you specifically tell gcc to > > > unbreak it by specifying -mieee. > > > > Sounds like the ability to turn "-mieee" off at all, let alone > > making it the default, is bad? If so, why is that the way it > > is configured? > > > > > I'm hoping there's a better solution than > > > disabling support for NaNs in strtod(). > > > > Make "-mieee" on by default? > > Well, I was secretly hoping I'd get that answer from the Powers > That Be, but I think it's off by default on purpose for efficiency > reasons. That would imply that I need to come up with a workaround > that involves not generating NaN values, *period*. Sigh. FWIW, I think -mieee should be on by default. If anybody cared about speed, they'd use the compaq compiler or a P4. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 18 8:45:49 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FFEB37B401 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:45:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from wall.polstra.com (wall-gw.polstra.com [206.213.73.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6660543FAF for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:45:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h2IGjcJL060853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:45:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@vashon.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h2IGjcuG035185; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:45:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:45:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200303181645.h2IGjcuG035185@vashon.polstra.com> To: alpha@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! In-Reply-To: <15991.9122.826678.673067@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> References: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> <3E76CE0F.8FAA6AE3@mindspring.com> <20030318080132.GB10867@HAL9000.homeunix.com> <15991.9122.826678.673067@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <15991.9122.826678.673067@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > FWIW, I think -mieee should be on by default. If anybody cared about > speed, they'd use the compaq compiler or a P4. I agree! The lack of -mieee has nailed me on several occasions. "Fast but broken" is a lousy default. John -- John Polstra John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Ch๖gyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 18 8:56:47 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48ADC37B401; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:56:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9CE43FE1; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:56:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h2IGufFU084078; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:56:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.7/8.12.7/Submit) id h2IGufIK084077; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:56:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:56:40 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Alpha 4.8 RC2 -- COME AND GET IT!! Message-ID: <20030318165640.GA83997@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Now available at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/alpha/ISO-IMAGES/4.8-RC2 and ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/alpha/4.8-RC2 -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 18 8:56:54 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A3237B407; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:56:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (rdu57-17-158.nc.rr.com [66.57.17.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 602EE43FB1; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:56:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) Received: from [10.2.1.4] (vpn-client-4.marcuscom.com [10.2.1.4]) by creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IGtXrI023030; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:55:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) Subject: Re: Gnome2 broken on alpha (Re: gstreamer broken on alpha) From: Joe Marcus Clarke To: Kris Kennaway Cc: John Baldwin , re-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, lioux@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD GNOME Users In-Reply-To: <20030318100336.GB997@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030317021429.GA19860@rot13.obsecurity.org> <20030318020200.GA24978@rot13.obsecurity.org> <1047972048.320.2.camel@gyros> <20030318100336.GB997@rot13.obsecurity.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-nBD9Yu7lPH8buPTl3not" Organization: MarcusCom, Inc. Message-Id: <1048006601.348.23.camel@dhcp-528-2140> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 18 Mar 2003 11:56:41 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-39.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,PGP_SIGNATURE_2, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,QUOTE_TWICE_1,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=-nBD9Yu7lPH8buPTl3not Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2003-03-18 at 05:03, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 02:20:49AM -0500, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 21:02, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 01:38:06PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > >=20 > > > > Please try out the (untested) patch at > > > > http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/patches/gstreamer_alpha.patch > > > > More braindead userland programming. > > >=20 > > > This fixes gstreamer, but not gstreamer-plugins is broken. This mean= s > > > gnome2 is still dead on alpha. > > >=20 > > > http://bento.freebsd.org/errorlogs/alpha-4-latest/gstreamer-plugins-0= .6.0_1.log > >=20 > > I think this patch should fix it. >=20 > Still appears to be broken: >=20 > http://bento.freebsd.org/errorlogs/alpha-4-latest/gstreamer-plugins-0.6.0= _1.log Don't I feel embarrassed. I forgot a ';' at the end of my typedef. Of course, I haven't been able to login to an Alpha to test any of this. Joe >=20 > Kris --=20 PGP Key : http://www.marcuscom.com/pgp.asc --=-nBD9Yu7lPH8buPTl3not Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA+d0/Jb2iPiv4Uz4cRAkcEAKCuWGH+bNES9M2Im6E6sO3oTJPIzwCeMjJK KM4SD/cslqCwC5iJ0O+0bhU= =Guyv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-nBD9Yu7lPH8buPTl3not-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 18 10:24:33 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C548037B401; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:24:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mandarin.fruitsalad.org (pc117.net160.koping.net [81.16.160.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687CC43F85; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:24:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lauri@kde.org) Received: from [192.168.15.5] (helo=kurant.internal.hasta.se) by mandarin.fruitsalad.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18vLlC-0005ku-00; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:24:26 +0100 From: Lauri Watts To: John Baldwin Subject: Re: [kde-freebsd] RE: kdeutils broken on alpha Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:23:50 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.9 Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org, kde@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Boundary-02=_5Q2d+bvC9Y4ZZtL"; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200303181923.53401.lauri@kde.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --Boundary-02=_5Q2d+bvC9Y4ZZtL Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: signed data Content-Disposition: inline On Monday 17 March 2003 19.38, John Baldwin wrote: > Please try out (untested) patch at > http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/patches/kdeutils_alpha.patch It is a > patch relative to ports/misc/kdeutils3/files. It should fix the > silly warning as well. Thanks a lot for this John. We've been on the lookout for an alpha to test= =20 the KDE builds on for a long time, but until we get hold of one, we're=20 reliant on either guessing, or help from those of you who do have one (and= =20 know what you're doing with it.) =20 So from the KDE/FreeBSD team, thank you, it's really appreciated. Regards =2D-=20 Lauri Watts KDE on FreeBSD: http://freebsd.kde.org/ --Boundary-02=_5Q2d+bvC9Y4ZZtL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA+d2Q5/gUyA7PWnacRAut4AJ0aDzgPMQiGrnyjG/l76hB82VjzlgCfeAR3 FDzDAsGatPciCpZSgJDQey0= =Q2bu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Boundary-02=_5Q2d+bvC9Y4ZZtL-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 18 12: 0: 9 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E2C37B401 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:00:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from alcanet.com.au (mail2.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5681643F75 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:00:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: from sydsmtp01.alcatel.com.au (IDENT:root@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alcanet.com.au (8.12.4/8.12.4/Alcanet1.3) with ESMTP id h2IJxqFx031146; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:59:53 +1100 Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au ([139.188.20.247]) by sydsmtp01.alcatel.com.au (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.11) with ESMTP id 2003031906595139:270985 ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:59:51 +1100 Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h2IJxpui089813; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:59:51 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.12.8/8.12.5/Submit) id h2IJxkDP089812; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:59:46 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:59:46 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: John Polstra Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, gallatin@cs.duke.edu Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! Message-ID: <20030318195946.GZ90290@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: John Polstra , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, gallatin@cs.duke.edu References: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> <3E76CE0F.8FAA6AE3@mindspring.com> <20030318080132.GB10867@HAL9000.homeunix.com> <15991.9122.826678.673067@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <200303181645.h2IGjcuG035185@vashon.polstra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200303181645.h2IGjcuG035185@vashon.polstra.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on SYDSMTP01/AlcatelAustralia(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 19/03/2003 06:59:51 AM, Serialize by Router on SYDSMTP01/AlcatelAustralia(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 19/03/2003 06:59:53 AM, Serialize complete at 19/03/2003 06:59:53 AM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2003-Mar-18 08:45:38 -0800, John Polstra wrote: >In article <15991.9122.826678.673067@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>, >Andrew Gallatin wrote: >> >> FWIW, I think -mieee should be on by default. If anybody cared about >> speed, they'd use the compaq compiler or a P4. > >I agree! The lack of -mieee has nailed me on several occasions. >"Fast but broken" is a lousy default. The Compaq compiler also defaults to not generating IEEE code. For most FP work, the AXP partial IEEE support is "good enough". On older Alpha's, full IEEE compliance is fairly expensive because of the lack of exact FP exceptions. In any case, Seymour Cray made quite a good living pandering to people for whom speed was more important than accuracy :-). Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 18 13:51:51 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A94037B401 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:51:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from wall.polstra.com (wall-gw.polstra.com [206.213.73.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349BD43FA3 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:51:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h2ILpcJL061907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:51:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@vashon.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h2ILpcPP035490; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:51:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:51:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200303182151.h2ILpcPP035490@vashon.polstra.com> To: alpha@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! In-Reply-To: <20030318195946.GZ90290@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> References: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> <15991.9122.826678.673067@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <200303181645.h2IGjcuG035185@vashon.polstra.com> <20030318195946.GZ90290@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <20030318195946.GZ90290@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au>, Peter Jeremy wrote: > On 2003-Mar-18 08:45:38 -0800, John Polstra wrote: > > > >I agree! The lack of -mieee has nailed me on several occasions. > >"Fast but broken" is a lousy default. > > The Compaq compiler also defaults to not generating IEEE code. Good point. But I think that's mostly because DEC marketing had to play "win the benchmark" games that we don't have to play. Also, DEC had only one platform architecture. Since we have several architectures, we should strive to make them behave as much alike by default as we reasonably can. > For most FP work, the AXP partial IEEE support is "good enough". True, but the trouble is that it's usually the input to the program that determines whether the partial IEEE support will cause a problem or not. A program may be good enough during testing, but fail miserably later with real world inputs. > On older Alpha's, full IEEE compliance is fairly expensive because > of the lack of exact FP exceptions. Granted. But older Alphas are total dogs anyway (even compared to Intel PCs from the same era), so I don't think we should let them influence our decisions much. > In any case, Seymour Cray made quite a good living pandering to > people for whom speed was more important than accuracy :-). I can't argue with that ... :-) John -- John Polstra John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Ch๖gyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 18 13:55:23 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C8C737B404 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:55:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from wall.polstra.com (wall-gw.polstra.com [206.213.73.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDDBD43F85 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:55:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h2ILtCJL061924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:55:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@vashon.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h2ILtCRT035500; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:55:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:55:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200303182155.h2ILtCRT035500@vashon.polstra.com> To: alpha@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! In-Reply-To: <200303182151.h2ILpcPP035490@vashon.polstra.com> References: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> <200303181645.h2IGjcuG035185@vashon.polstra.com> <20030318195946.GZ90290@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> <200303182151.h2ILpcPP035490@vashon.polstra.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <200303182151.h2ILpcPP035490@vashon.polstra.com>, John Polstra wrote: > > Also, DEC had only one platform architecture. Hrm, this was a pretty dumb thing to say. They had only one architecture except for the PDP-8 and the PDP-11 and the VAX and a few others. "Never mind" on this point. :-} I plead travel fatigue. John -- John Polstra John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Ch๖gyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 18 14:46: 7 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 703D237B405; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:46:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-150.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F7343FCB; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:46:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04AE266E08; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:46:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D5B98963; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:46:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:46:02 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: alpha@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: kgdb on alpha does not work properly Message-ID: <20030318224602.GA3777@rot13.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I've been having trouble getting gdb -k on alpha to give me sensible backtraces. For example, here is the backtrace of a softupdates panic that I dumped by calling doadump in ddb: (kgdb) bt #0 0xfffffc0000421828 in doadump () at /a/asami/portbuild/alpha/src-client/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:238 #1 0xfffffc0000355060 in db_fncall (dummy1=0, dummy2=0, dummy3=0, dummy4=0x0) at /a/asami/portbuild/alpha/src-client/sys/ddb/db_command.c:546 #2 0xfffffc0000354cb4 in db_command (last_cmdp=0xfffffc00006673b8, cmd_table=0x0, aux_cmd_tablep=0xfffffc0000616728, aux_cmd_tablep_end=0xfffffc0000616748) at /a/asami/portbuild/alpha/src-client/sys/ddb/db_command.c:346 #3 0xfffffc0000354e34 in db_command_loop () at /a/asami/portbuild/alpha/src-client/sys/ddb/db_command.c:470 #4 0xfffffc0000359244 in db_trap (type=0, code=0) at /a/asami/portbuild/alpha/src-client/sys/ddb/db_trap.c:72 #5 0xfffffc000057ee70 in kdb_trap (a0=1, a1=0, a2=0, entry=3, regs=0xfffffe0006c59818) at /a/asami/portbuild/alpha/src-client/sys/alpha/alpha/db_interface.c:211 #6 0xfffffc000058fe48 in trap (a0=1, a1=1, a2=18446739675669307791, entry=3, framep=0xfffffe0006c59818) at /a/asami/portbuild/alpha/src-client/sys/alpha/alpha/trap.c:382 #7 0xfffffc0000580928 in XentIF () at machine/asm.h:62 #8 0xfffffc000057eff0 in Debugger (msg=---Can't read userspace from dump, or kernel process--- ) at /a/asami/portbuild/alpha/src-client/sys/alpha/alpha/db_interface.c:278 warning: Hit beginning of text section without finding warning: enclosing function for address 0x6 This warning occurs if you are debugging a function without any symbols (for example, in a stripped executable). In that case, you may wish to increase the size of the search with the `set heuristic-fence-post' command. Otherwise, you told GDB there was a function where there isn't one, or (more likely) you have encountered a bug in GDB. (kgdb) Can someone please look into this? Kris --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+d6GqWry0BWjoQKURAk2RAKCidoWn3BH763m4LJK89oFdoNMeggCfWk3M 81ziDAm1PK6LYVyUgpbIxjg= =Nbgi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 18 14:59: 8 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E582B37B401; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:59:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAAC543FA3; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:59:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2IMx5Rv005469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h2IMx0J00921; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:59:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15991.42164.106407.279644@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:59:00 -0500 (EST) To: Kris Kennaway Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kgdb on alpha does not work properly In-Reply-To: <20030318224602.GA3777@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030318224602.GA3777@rot13.obsecurity.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kris Kennaway writes: > I've been having trouble getting gdb -k on alpha to give me sensible > backtraces. For example, here is the backtrace of a softupdates panic > that I dumped by calling doadump in ddb: <..> > #6 0xfffffc000058fe48 in trap (a0=1, a1=1, a2=18446739675669307791, entry=3, > framep=0xfffffe0006c59818) at /a/asami/portbuild/alpha/src-client/sys/alpha/alpha/trap.c:382 > #7 0xfffffc0000580928 in XentIF () at machine/asm.h:62 As I've mentioned before, gdb on alpha looses its marbles when there's a trap in the stack trace. An explicit panic without a trap works fine. Ddb works fine in any circumstance. > > Can someone please look into this? I spent a day or two hacking on gdb last year and never made any progress. I wish somebody with more gdb fu would look at it. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 18 15:34:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3686B37B401; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:34:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-150.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C35943FBD; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:34:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD1266B9B; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:34:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A85C71009; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:34:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:34:22 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: asa@gascom.ru, gnome@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: seahorse broken on alpha (kills gnome2-fifth-toe) Message-ID: <20030318233422.GA3976@rot13.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zhXaljGHf11kAtnf" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline http://bento.freebsd.org/errorlogs/alpha-4-latest/seahorse-0.7.1.log I need a fix ASAP for the alpha rc2 packages. Kris --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+d6z+Wry0BWjoQKURArlTAJ9hJtNN9h2/kA1bkAjsZlAZqXCOCwCgk6Pk o+OMvrRuR4dHJZWqkIbqn7A= =fu7K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 18 15:36:44 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5298137B404; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:36:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-150.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A480243F85; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:36:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC3066B9B; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:36:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 46D8CF6C; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:36:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:36:40 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Joe Marcus Clarke Cc: Kris Kennaway , John Baldwin , re-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, lioux@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD GNOME Users Subject: Re: Gnome2 broken on alpha (Re: gstreamer broken on alpha) Message-ID: <20030318233640.GA4055@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030317021429.GA19860@rot13.obsecurity.org> <20030318020200.GA24978@rot13.obsecurity.org> <1047972048.320.2.camel@gyros> <20030318100336.GB997@rot13.obsecurity.org> <1048006601.348.23.camel@dhcp-528-2140> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zhXaljGHf11kAtnf" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1048006601.348.23.camel@dhcp-528-2140> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 11:56:41AM -0500, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > > Still appears to be broken: > >=20 > > http://bento.freebsd.org/errorlogs/alpha-4-latest/gstreamer-plugins-0.6= .0_1.log >=20 > Don't I feel embarrassed. I forgot a ';' at the end of my typedef. Of > course, I haven't been able to login to an Alpha to test any of this. This fixes the build..can you please commit? Kris --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+d62IWry0BWjoQKURAh2hAJwMMCUuxQFixFjAtdQFT+jRDnMorACg8csS 9mpdeI/9b332GXZ0GXgrdEg= =CtQN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 18 16:52:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A218837B401 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:52:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from wall.polstra.com (wall-gw.polstra.com [206.213.73.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE0043F85 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:52:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h2J0qdJL062536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:52:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@vashon.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h2J0qd0U035726; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:52:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:52:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200303190052.h2J0qd0U035726@vashon.polstra.com> To: alpha@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Subject: Re: Alpha 4.8 RC2 -- COME AND GET IT!! In-Reply-To: <20030318165640.GA83997@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <20030318165640.GA83997@dragon.nuxi.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <20030318165640.GA83997@dragon.nuxi.com>, David O'Brien wrote: > Now available at > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/alpha/ISO-IMAGES/4.8-RC2 > and > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/alpha/4.8-RC2 Is "4.8-RC2-alpha-miniinst.iso" sufficient for testing the install, or do I need to get "4.8-RC2-alpha-disc2.iso" as well? Sorry for the clueless question. It's been years since I did a fresh install on an Alpha. John -- John Polstra John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Ch๖gyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 18 17:28: 1 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D8437B404 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:28:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65C443F93 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:27:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 807BC5308; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 02:27:57 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: John Polstra Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha 4.8 RC2 -- COME AND GET IT!! From: des@ofug.org (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 02:27:56 +0100 In-Reply-To: <200303190052.h2J0qd0U035726@vashon.polstra.com> (John Polstra's message of "Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:52:39 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090015 (Oort Gnus v0.15) Emacs/21.2 References: <20030318165640.GA83997@dragon.nuxi.com> <200303190052.h2J0qd0U035726@vashon.polstra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Polstra writes: > Is "4.8-RC2-alpha-miniinst.iso" sufficient for testing the install, > or do I need to get "4.8-RC2-alpha-disc2.iso" as well? Disc 2 is the live filesystem. It includes the installer, but not the distributions, so you can only use it for a network install, or as a fixit CD. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 18 18:12:48 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13CA137B401; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:12:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-150.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ED6343F85; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:12:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B372B66B9B; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:12:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8BE73F6C; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:12:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:12:44 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Kris Kennaway , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kgdb on alpha does not work properly Message-ID: <20030319021244.GA4792@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030318224602.GA3777@rot13.obsecurity.org> <15991.42164.106407.279644@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15991.42164.106407.279644@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 05:59:00PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: >=20 > Kris Kennaway writes: > > I've been having trouble getting gdb -k on alpha to give me sensible > > backtraces. For example, here is the backtrace of a softupdates panic > > that I dumped by calling doadump in ddb: >=20 > <..> >=20 > > #6 0xfffffc000058fe48 in trap (a0=3D1, a1=3D1, a2=3D18446739675669307= 791, entry=3D3, > > framep=3D0xfffffe0006c59818) at /a/asami/portbuild/alpha/src-clien= t/sys/alpha/alpha/trap.c:382 > > #7 0xfffffc0000580928 in XentIF () at machine/asm.h:62 >=20 >=20 > As I've mentioned before, gdb on alpha looses its marbles when there's > a trap in the stack trace. An explicit panic without a trap works fine. > Ddb works fine in any circumstance. Hmm, ok, thanks. I guess I can use addr2line to trace through the panic. Kirk usually needs information from the (missing, in this case) stack frames to debug it though :-( Kris --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+d9IcWry0BWjoQKURAioLAKCZ1pLhVcBUzAp0d+8O/eQefYrWPgCg8yOW OPSa+riI3voNXqor4hPDv/A= =WJIp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 18 21:56:27 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2101937B401; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:56:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (rdu57-17-158.nc.rr.com [66.57.17.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED1343F93; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:56:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) Received: from [10.2.1.4] (vpn-client-4.marcuscom.com [10.2.1.4]) by creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2J5t2rI027884; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 00:55:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) Subject: Re: Gnome2 broken on alpha (Re: gstreamer broken on alpha) From: Joe Marcus Clarke To: Kris Kennaway Cc: John Baldwin , re-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, lioux@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD GNOME Users In-Reply-To: <20030318233640.GA4055@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030317021429.GA19860@rot13.obsecurity.org> <20030318020200.GA24978@rot13.obsecurity.org> <1047972048.320.2.camel@gyros> <20030318100336.GB997@rot13.obsecurity.org> <1048006601.348.23.camel@dhcp-528-2140> <20030318233640.GA4055@rot13.obsecurity.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-qjszQ5vCD97EHAFmoXb/" Organization: MarcusCom, Inc. Message-Id: <1048053373.306.0.camel@gyros> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 19 Mar 2003 00:56:13 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-39.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,PGP_SIGNATURE_2, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,QUOTE_TWICE_1,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=-qjszQ5vCD97EHAFmoXb/ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2003-03-18 at 18:36, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 11:56:41AM -0500, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: >=20 > > > Still appears to be broken: > > >=20 > > > http://bento.freebsd.org/errorlogs/alpha-4-latest/gstreamer-plugins-0= .6.0_1.log > >=20 > > Don't I feel embarrassed. I forgot a ';' at the end of my typedef. Of > > course, I haven't been able to login to an Alpha to test any of this. >=20 > This fixes the build..can you please commit? I can, but it will break the build on -CURRENT. I'll try to wrap the fix for both versions. Joe >=20 > Kris --=20 PGP Key : http://www.marcuscom.com/pgp.asc --=-qjszQ5vCD97EHAFmoXb/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA+eAZ9b2iPiv4Uz4cRAtugAKCJDitRDNXjZhh+41tmG5hPmeSzxACgiFap 50Q0etjUyryuYd+pFpYEne8= =Xa5U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-qjszQ5vCD97EHAFmoXb/-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 18 22: 1:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920B337B401; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:01:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-150.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27BC643F85; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:01:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A0066B9B; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:01:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 86186F6C; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:01:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:01:09 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Joe Marcus Clarke Cc: Kris Kennaway , John Baldwin , re-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, lioux@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD GNOME Users Subject: Re: Gnome2 broken on alpha (Re: gstreamer broken on alpha) Message-ID: <20030319060109.GA6147@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030317021429.GA19860@rot13.obsecurity.org> <20030318020200.GA24978@rot13.obsecurity.org> <1047972048.320.2.camel@gyros> <20030318100336.GB997@rot13.obsecurity.org> <1048006601.348.23.camel@dhcp-528-2140> <20030318233640.GA4055@rot13.obsecurity.org> <1048053373.306.0.camel@gyros> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1048053373.306.0.camel@gyros> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 12:56:13AM -0500, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > On Tue, 2003-03-18 at 18:36, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 11:56:41AM -0500, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > >=20 > > > > Still appears to be broken: > > > >=20 > > > > http://bento.freebsd.org/errorlogs/alpha-4-latest/gstreamer-plugins= -0.6.0_1.log > > >=20 > > > Don't I feel embarrassed. I forgot a ';' at the end of my typedef. = Of > > > course, I haven't been able to login to an Alpha to test any of this. > >=20 > > This fixes the build..can you please commit? >=20 > I can, but it will break the build on -CURRENT. I'll try to wrap the > fix for both versions. OK. Kris --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+eAelWry0BWjoQKURAqIIAKCc/YuB4BtLuHxBvejooF1JNfUPfwCgrkVh dGAm3oO3SyIpgH/rgHYO5+M= =+v7F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 18 22: 4:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A9737B401; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (rdu57-17-158.nc.rr.com [66.57.17.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B5C43F85; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:04:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) Received: from [10.2.1.4] (vpn-client-4.marcuscom.com [10.2.1.4]) by creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2J639rI037553; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 01:03:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) Subject: Re: seahorse broken on alpha (kills gnome2-fifth-toe) From: Joe Marcus Clarke To: Kris Kennaway Cc: asa@gascom.ru, FreeBSD GNOME Users , alpha@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20030318233422.GA3976@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030318233422.GA3976@rot13.obsecurity.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-NSW2Bgxm5wnKIWbAyFM+" Organization: MarcusCom, Inc. Message-Id: <1048053859.306.5.camel@gyros> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 19 Mar 2003 01:04:20 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-39.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,PGP_SIGNATURE_2, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,QUOTE_TWICE_1,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=-NSW2Bgxm5wnKIWbAyFM+ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2003-03-18 at 18:34, Kris Kennaway wrote: > http://bento.freebsd.org/errorlogs/alpha-4-latest/seahorse-0.7.1.log >=20 > I need a fix ASAP for the alpha rc2 packages. This isn't fixed after my commit the other day? Joe >=20 > Kris --=20 PGP Key : http://www.marcuscom.com/pgp.asc --=-NSW2Bgxm5wnKIWbAyFM+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA+eAhjb2iPiv4Uz4cRAmLtAJ0UOJoncS+HXE/6FbR8IwQyqWq3cwCgpua0 eOwd3iixVEEKeEjKamDc+pE= =Mnex -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-NSW2Bgxm5wnKIWbAyFM+-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 18 22:12:20 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24FD37B401; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:12:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-150.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F4C43F3F; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:12:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6DF66B9B; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:12:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8AF6B100F; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:12:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:12:17 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Joe Marcus Clarke Cc: Kris Kennaway , asa@gascom.ru, FreeBSD GNOME Users , alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: seahorse broken on alpha (kills gnome2-fifth-toe) Message-ID: <20030319061217.GA6249@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030318233422.GA3976@rot13.obsecurity.org> <1048053859.306.5.camel@gyros> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1048053859.306.5.camel@gyros> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 01:04:20AM -0500, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > On Tue, 2003-03-18 at 18:34, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > http://bento.freebsd.org/errorlogs/alpha-4-latest/seahorse-0.7.1.log > >=20 > > I need a fix ASAP for the alpha rc2 packages. >=20 > This isn't fixed after my commit the other day? Ah..it might be: I think I still have the old version in this tree. Anyway, this is only required for the cdrom package set by virtue of gnome2-fifth-toe, which does not build because of mozilla. Kris --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+eApBWry0BWjoQKURAi8EAKCcfJJXdIHIbXnJQe3RPgAApUTA5ACgnOLb IcpqEiqchVZU+ICWTLHK4a4= =hX1t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 18 22:13:36 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE7F37B401; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:13:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (rdu57-17-158.nc.rr.com [66.57.17.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E6843F75; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:13:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) Received: from [10.2.1.4] (vpn-client-4.marcuscom.com [10.2.1.4]) by creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2J6CDrI037666; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 01:12:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) Subject: Re: seahorse broken on alpha (kills gnome2-fifth-toe) From: Joe Marcus Clarke To: Kris Kennaway Cc: asa@gascom.ru, FreeBSD GNOME Users , alpha@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20030319061217.GA6249@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030318233422.GA3976@rot13.obsecurity.org> <1048053859.306.5.camel@gyros> <20030319061217.GA6249@rot13.obsecurity.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-6QmQnXegMyExCiHtpiIH" Organization: MarcusCom, Inc. Message-Id: <1048054404.306.9.camel@gyros> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 19 Mar 2003 01:13:24 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-39.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,PGP_SIGNATURE_2, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,QUOTE_TWICE_1,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=-6QmQnXegMyExCiHtpiIH Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2003-03-19 at 01:12, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 01:04:20AM -0500, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-03-18 at 18:34, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > http://bento.freebsd.org/errorlogs/alpha-4-latest/seahorse-0.7.1.log > > >=20 > > > I need a fix ASAP for the alpha rc2 packages. > >=20 > > This isn't fixed after my commit the other day? >=20 > Ah..it might be: I think I still have the old version in this tree. > Anyway, this is only required for the cdrom package set by virtue of > gnome2-fifth-toe, which does not build because of mozilla. I believe this should be fixed. Joe >=20 > Kris --=20 PGP Key : http://www.marcuscom.com/pgp.asc --=-6QmQnXegMyExCiHtpiIH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA+eAqEb2iPiv4Uz4cRAiQkAKCXS5e3WQp8HHVH0PJF7QEIY7Nu+wCfVOpO 41CUJtSBrWS2hMomeDm9C7w= =MzIO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-6QmQnXegMyExCiHtpiIH-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 18 22:14: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18A237B401; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:14:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (rdu57-17-158.nc.rr.com [66.57.17.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9EE43F85; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:14:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) Received: from [10.2.1.4] (vpn-client-4.marcuscom.com [10.2.1.4]) by creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2J6CkrI037677; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 01:12:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) Subject: Re: Gnome2 broken on alpha (Re: gstreamer broken on alpha) From: Joe Marcus Clarke To: Kris Kennaway Cc: John Baldwin , re-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, lioux@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD GNOME Users In-Reply-To: <20030318233640.GA4055@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030317021429.GA19860@rot13.obsecurity.org> <20030318020200.GA24978@rot13.obsecurity.org> <1047972048.320.2.camel@gyros> <20030318100336.GB997@rot13.obsecurity.org> <1048006601.348.23.camel@dhcp-528-2140> <20030318233640.GA4055@rot13.obsecurity.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-mOwoOI8ilHPRrpR/3AbU" Organization: MarcusCom, Inc. Message-Id: <1048054437.306.11.camel@gyros> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 19 Mar 2003 01:13:57 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-39.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,PGP_SIGNATURE_2, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,QUOTE_TWICE_1,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=-mOwoOI8ilHPRrpR/3AbU Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2003-03-18 at 18:36, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 11:56:41AM -0500, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: >=20 > > > Still appears to be broken: > > >=20 > > > http://bento.freebsd.org/errorlogs/alpha-4-latest/gstreamer-plugins-0= .6.0_1.log > >=20 > > Don't I feel embarrassed. I forgot a ';' at the end of my typedef. Of > > course, I haven't been able to login to an Alpha to test any of this. >=20 > This fixes the build..can you please commit? This should now be fixed. By the way, do we still have an Alpha -STABLE machine we can access? Thanks. Joe >=20 > Kris --=20 PGP Key : http://www.marcuscom.com/pgp.asc --=-mOwoOI8ilHPRrpR/3AbU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA+eAqkb2iPiv4Uz4cRAnxlAJ9SDQG4mYPpuduahNihCJwCiLf+SgCgmM+B 3ceGUo9ejqYjZmML770i9ZE= =SXfb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-mOwoOI8ilHPRrpR/3AbU-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 18 22:29: 2 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD6037B404; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:29:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-150.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6951743F3F; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:28:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B83066B9B; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:28:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 19CB0F6C; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:28:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:28:59 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Joe Marcus Clarke Cc: Kris Kennaway , John Baldwin , re-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, lioux@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD GNOME Users Subject: Re: Gnome2 broken on alpha (Re: gstreamer broken on alpha) Message-ID: <20030319062859.GA6452@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030317021429.GA19860@rot13.obsecurity.org> <20030318020200.GA24978@rot13.obsecurity.org> <1047972048.320.2.camel@gyros> <20030318100336.GB997@rot13.obsecurity.org> <1048006601.348.23.camel@dhcp-528-2140> <20030318233640.GA4055@rot13.obsecurity.org> <1048054437.306.11.camel@gyros> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="J/dobhs11T7y2rNN" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1048054437.306.11.camel@gyros> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --J/dobhs11T7y2rNN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 01:13:57AM -0500, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > This should now be fixed. By the way, do we still have an Alpha -STABLE > machine we can access? Thanks. I don't think there exists one in the freebsd cluster, but ISTR committers have offered accounts on their personal machines before. Kris --J/dobhs11T7y2rNN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+eA4qWry0BWjoQKURAkEOAKCb6n4nD9cVPGgebabct3x51+0EagCgjcG0 L5oCnD+/qObvAfzont2MPW8= =oDLb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --J/dobhs11T7y2rNN-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 19 6:58:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B2E037B401; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:58:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw.cscoms.com (mailgw.cscoms.com [202.183.255.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B7643FB1; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:58:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wowwwhealthy@thaimail.com) Received: from cscoms.com (mail.cscoms.com [202.183.255.23]) by mailgw.cscoms.com (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h2JEtVil003728; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:55:31 +0700 (ICT) Received: from ME (dial-255.ras-7.bkk.c.cscoms.com [203.170.141.193]) by cscoms.com (8.12.8/8.12.3) with SMTP id h2JEqnwo000991; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:52:50 +0700 (GMT) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:52:49 +0700 (GMT) Message-Id: <200303191452.h2JEqnwo000991@cscoms.com> From: wowwwhealthy@thaimail.com Subject: ท่านทราบหรือไม่ว่าคนอ้วนจะเสี่ยงต่อการเป็นเบาหวานมากกว่าคนน้ำหนักปกติถึง 30 เท่า X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Reply-To: wowwwhealthy@thaimail.com X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="#MYBOUNDARY#" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --#MYBOUNDARY# Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ansi Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit คนไทยกำลังเป็นโรคอ้วนมากขึ้นทุกที พ.อ.หญิง รศ. พ.ญ. พรฑิตา ชัยอำนวย ผู้อำนวยการเวชศาสตร์ฟื้นฟู โรงพยาบาลพระมงกุฏเกล้า บรรยายเรื่อง "กินอย่างไรให้ห่างไกลโรคหัวใจและโรคอ้วน" ในตอนหนึ่งของการบรรยาย ผู้บรรยายกล่าวว่า "สิ่งที่พึงตระหนักคือ ผู้ชายไม่ควรให้รอบเอวเกิน 36 นิ้ว หญิงไม่ควรเกิน 32 นิ้ว ถ้ามากกว่านี้ต้องเร่งลดน้ำหนัก" เพราะถ้าหากท่านวัดรอบเอวแล้วได้ตัวเลขเกินกว่ามาตราฐานนี้ แสดงว่าท่านกำลังเป็นโรคอ้วน คนเป็นโรคอ้วนมีความเสี่ยงที่จะต้อง พบกับโรคร้ายต่างๆ มากมาย นับตั้งแต่ โรคหัวใจ เบาหวาน ไขมันในเลือดสูง ความดันโลหิตสูง อัมพาต และท่านอาจจะหยุดหายใจขณะหลับ จนเกิดภาวะพร่องออกซิเจน ตื่นนอนจะมีอาการมึน เป็นต้อหินง่ายเนื่องจากเลือดขาดออกซิเจน เป็นโรคข้อ เพราะแบกรับน้ำหนักมาก เป็นเกาต์ มะเร็ง นิ่วในถุงน้ำดี มีลูกยาก โรคเกี่ยวกับระบบหายใจ โรคถุงน้ำดี ท่านทราบหรือไม่ว่าคนอ้วนจะเสี่ยงต่อการเป็นเบาหวานมากกว่าคนน้ำหนักปกติถึง 30 เท่า เสี่ยงเป็นโรคหลอดเลือดหัวใจตีบกว่าคนทั่วไป 15 เท่า โรคอัมพาต 11 เท่า โรคมะเร็งลำไส้ 2 เท่า คนเป็นโรคอ้วนเป็นโรคร้ายตายง่ายอย่างนี้ถ้าไม่เรียกคนที่มีรอบเอวเกินมาตราฐานว่า รอบเอวมรณะ แล้วจะเรียกว่าอะไรล่ะครับ วิธีถอดห่วงยาง (ลดเอว) คุณหมอบอกว่า วิธีรักษาโรคอ้วนสามารถทำได้ด้วยการควบคุมแคลอรีของอาหารที่รับประทาน คือพยายามให้ลดลงวันละ 600 แคลอรี ซึ่งภายใน 7 วันท่านจะสามารถลดน้ำหนักได้0.6 กิโลกรัม เพราะไขมัน 1 กิโลกรัม เท่ากับ 7,000 แคลอรี ประการที่สำคัญ ต้องออกกำลังกายอย่างสม่ำเสมอทุกวันครับ อย่างน้อย 20 นาที ถ้าออกกำลังกายได้ 60 นาทีจะยิ่งเป็นผลดี คุณหมอบอกว่าเราควรให้สนใจใฝ่ศึกษาหาความรู้ด้านโภชนาการให้มาก ๆ คือให้ศึกษาว่าอาหารชนิดไหนให้พลังงานน้อย พลังมากแค่ไหน และ ควรสร้างความสุขที่ได้บริโภคอาหารไขมันต่ำ ๆ ในการรับประทานอาหารควรเคี้ยวให้ช้าๆ จะรู้สึกอิ่มทั้งๆ ที่บริโภคน้อย อ้อ ! 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(192.168.100.29) by mail.gascom.ru with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 15:02:11 -0000 Subject: Re: seahorse broken on alpha (kills gnome2-fifth-toe) From: Akifyev Sergey To: Joe Marcus Clarke Cc: Kris Kennaway , FreeBSD GNOME Users , alpha@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1048054404.306.9.camel@gyros> References: <20030318233422.GA3976@rot13.obsecurity.org> <1048053859.306.5.camel@gyros> <20030319061217.GA6249@rot13.obsecurity.org> <1048054404.306.9.camel@gyros> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-EYlsXr/cyOyIusTMQsVm" Organization: JSC Gascom Message-Id: <1048086482.243.54.camel@asa.gascom.net.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 19 Mar 2003 18:08:02 +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=-EYlsXr/cyOyIusTMQsVm Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2003-03-19 at 09:13, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > I believe this should be fixed. FYI: I've contacted seahorse developers. This fix will be committed to next seahorse release. --=20 regards, Akifyev Sergey JSC Gascom PGP key available from: ftp://ftp.gascom.ru/pub/PGP-keys/asa.txt --=-EYlsXr/cyOyIusTMQsVm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA+eIfSbu06QwmNwNsRArZlAKCLNpxLpPiHmBceQjji9Jwg7JWnLwCgiccT t+6HbREiHdV+Zmm9CEXNCRA= =mSxp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-EYlsXr/cyOyIusTMQsVm-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 19 10:20:53 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7497337B401 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:20:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB9C43FA3 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:20:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h2JIKpFU092584; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:20:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.7/8.12.7/Submit) id h2JIKof4092583; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:20:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:20:50 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: John Polstra Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha 4.8 RC2 -- COME AND GET IT!! Message-ID: <20030319182050.GA92527@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: alpha@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: David O'Brien , John Polstra , alpha@freebsd.org References: <20030318165640.GA83997@dragon.nuxi.com> <200303190052.h2J0qd0U035726@vashon.polstra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200303190052.h2J0qd0U035726@vashon.polstra.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 04:52:39PM -0800, John Polstra wrote: > Is "4.8-RC2-alpha-miniinst.iso" sufficient for testing the install, Yes. The miniinst is disc1 minus all the packages. I.e., it is the most that one can get of the traditional disc1 from only the output of "make release". To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 19 10:23:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67CF637B401 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:23:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF3843F3F for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:23:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JINjRv022142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:23:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h2JINet02362; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:23:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15992.46508.848181.114241@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:23:40 -0500 (EST) To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: John Polstra Subject: Re: Alpha 4.8 RC2 -- COME AND GET IT!! In-Reply-To: <20030319182050.GA92527@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <20030318165640.GA83997@dragon.nuxi.com> <200303190052.h2J0qd0U035726@vashon.polstra.com> <20030319182050.GA92527@dragon.nuxi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien writes: > On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 04:52:39PM -0800, John Polstra wrote: > > Is "4.8-RC2-alpha-miniinst.iso" sufficient for testing the install, > > Yes. The miniinst is disc1 minus all the packages. I.e., it is the most > that one can get of the traditional disc1 from only the output of "make > release". > Wilko raised some questions about the bootability of this image. Wilko: Did you find out if the problem was on your end, or is the image bad? Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 19 10:58:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A712237B401 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:58:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CBEB43F85 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:58:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JIwpjl048162; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:58:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JIwpom048161; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:58:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:58:51 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, John Polstra Subject: Re: Alpha 4.8 RC2 -- COME AND GET IT!! Message-ID: <20030319195851.C48087@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20030318165640.GA83997@dragon.nuxi.com> <200303190052.h2J0qd0U035726@vashon.polstra.com> <20030319182050.GA92527@dragon.nuxi.com> <15992.46508.848181.114241@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15992.46508.848181.114241@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 01:23:40PM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.8-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 01:23:40PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > David O'Brien writes: > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 04:52:39PM -0800, John Polstra wrote: > > > Is "4.8-RC2-alpha-miniinst.iso" sufficient for testing the install, > > > > Yes. The miniinst is disc1 minus all the packages. I.e., it is the most > > that one can get of the traditional disc1 from only the output of "make > > release". > > > > Wilko raised some questions about the bootability of this image. > > Wilko: Did you find out if the problem was on your end, or is the > image bad? One needs (needed, I think David fixed it by now?) to run the setcdboot tool on it (setcdboot foo.iso /boot/cdboot will do it). setcdboot is in ports/sysutils. After I did that things booted just fine. -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 19 11:19:40 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500BD37B401 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:19:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from HAL9000.homeunix.com (12-233-57-224.client.attbi.com [12.233.57.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B032943F85 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:19:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from das@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from HAL9000.homeunix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by HAL9000.homeunix.com (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h2JJJcmR001998 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:19:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from das@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from das@localhost) by HAL9000.homeunix.com (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h2JJJcZu001997 for alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:19:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from das@FreeBSD.ORG) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:19:37 -0800 From: David Schultz To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: making -mieee the default Message-ID: <20030319191937.GA1678@HAL9000.homeunix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As discussed in the thread "HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas!", I would like to make the -mieee option to gcc the default, since lots of floating point stuff breaks without it. Alpha hardware doesn't support IEEE FP, so there is a performance penalty associated with this; when a floating point value x *might* be NaN, the compiler inserts explicit logic to generate a trap only if appropriate. (It seems to use cmpt??/su most of the time). I just wanted to check if there were any objections before moving forward. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 19 11:32: 5 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B431837B401; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:32:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E907F43FAF; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:32:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JJW3Rv028451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:32:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h2JJVw002430; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:31:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15992.50606.275974.241571@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:31:58 -0500 (EST) To: David Schultz Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: making -mieee the default In-Reply-To: <20030319191937.GA1678@HAL9000.homeunix.com> References: <20030319191937.GA1678@HAL9000.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Schultz writes: > As discussed in the thread "HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas!", > I would like to make the -mieee option to gcc the default, since > lots of floating point stuff breaks without it. Alpha hardware > doesn't support IEEE FP, so there is a performance penalty > associated with this; when a floating point value x *might* be > NaN, the compiler inserts explicit logic to generate a trap only > if appropriate. (It seems to use cmpt??/su most of the time). I > just wanted to check if there were any objections before moving > forward. > Please go for it. On an unrelated note, can somebody reboot beast so that it stops complaining multiple times/second: beast kernel: devstat_end_transaction: HELP!! busy_count for da1 is < 0 (-1)! Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 20 3:26:57 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0764137B401; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 03:26:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from lambda.foldr.org (lambda.foldr.org [198.78.66.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF1143F75; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 03:26:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vs@foldr.org) Received: from theater.foldr.org (root@pD9509C8E.dip.t-dialin.net [217.80.156.142]) by lambda.foldr.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2KBQnjR002943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Mar 2003 12:26:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from vs@foldr.org) Received: from varphi.ipv6.foldr.org (varphi.ipv6.foldr.org [IPv6:3ffe:b80:2de:1:2e0:7dff:fe70:781]) by theater.foldr.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2KBQuKc033230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 20 Mar 2003 12:27:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from vs@varphi.theater.foldr.org) Received: (from vs@localhost) by varphi.ipv6.foldr.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id 32K9riQA029075; Mon, 20 Mar 2023 10:53:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from vs) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2023 10:53:44 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <202303200953.32K9riQA029075@varphi.ipv6.foldr.org> To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: [patch] fix plist devl/linux_devtools (alpha) From: Volker Stolz Reply-To: Volker Stolz Cc: kris@freebsd.org, alpha@freebsd.org X-send-pr-version: 3.113 X-GNATS-Notify: Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Submitter-Id: current-users >Originator: Volker Stolz >Organization: >Confidential: no >Synopsis: [patch] fix plist devl/linux_devtools (alpha) >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Category: ports >Class: sw-bug >Release: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE alpha >Environment: System: FreeBSD varphi.theater.foldr.org 4.7-STABLE FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE #1: Tue Jan 7 22:41:09 CET 2003 root@varphi.theater.foldr.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/VARPHI alpha >Description: The missing files in fact no longer exist. Browsing some of the header files on i386 shows that they are either i386-specific or have comments to avoid using them. [I also tested that gcc from this package can indeed build a 'return(0) binary.] >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- alpha begins here --- --- pkg-plist.alpha.orig Thu Mar 20 09:28:15 2003 +++ pkg-plist.alpha Thu Mar 20 10:17:35 2003 @@ -1818,9 +1818,7 @@ usr/include/sys/acct.h usr/include/sys/bitypes.h usr/include/sys/cdefs.h -usr/include/sys/debugreg.h usr/include/sys/dir.h -usr/include/sys/elf.h usr/include/sys/errno.h usr/include/sys/fcntl.h usr/include/sys/file.h @@ -1839,7 +1837,6 @@ usr/include/sys/mtio.h usr/include/sys/param.h usr/include/sys/pci.h -usr/include/sys/perm.h usr/include/sys/poll.h usr/include/sys/prctl.h usr/include/sys/procfs.h @@ -1848,7 +1845,6 @@ usr/include/sys/quota.h usr/include/sys/raw.h usr/include/sys/reboot.h -usr/include/sys/reg.h usr/include/sys/resource.h usr/include/sys/select.h usr/include/sys/sem.h @@ -1886,7 +1882,6 @@ usr/include/sys/utsname.h usr/include/sys/vfs.h usr/include/sys/vlimit.h -usr/include/sys/vm86.h usr/include/sys/vt.h usr/include/sys/vtimes.h usr/include/sys/wait.h @@ -2009,10 +2004,6 @@ usr/lib/gcc-lib/alpha-redhat-linux/egcs-2.91.66/cc1plus usr/lib/gcc-lib/alpha-redhat-linux/egcs-2.91.66/collect2 usr/lib/gcc-lib/alpha-redhat-linux/egcs-2.91.66/cpp -usr/lib/gcc-lib/alpha-redhat-linux/egcs-2.91.66/crtbegin.o -usr/lib/gcc-lib/alpha-redhat-linux/egcs-2.91.66/crtbeginS.o -usr/lib/gcc-lib/alpha-redhat-linux/egcs-2.91.66/crtend.o -usr/lib/gcc-lib/alpha-redhat-linux/egcs-2.91.66/crtendS.o usr/lib/gcc-lib/alpha-redhat-linux/egcs-2.91.66/f771 usr/lib/gcc-lib/alpha-redhat-linux/egcs-2.91.66/include/README usr/lib/gcc-lib/alpha-redhat-linux/egcs-2.91.66/include/exception --- alpha ends here --- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 20 16:49:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450D837B401 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:49:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 327B243F3F for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:49:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 7F0605308; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 01:49:10 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: RC2 test results From: des@ofug.org (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 01:49:09 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090015 (Oort Gnus v0.15) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org No luck booting 4.8RC2 on my PWS600au. I used the disc2 image; the loader loads, but can't find a kernel. The ls command reveals that /boot contains mfsroot.gz but no kernel; the only kernel available is /kernel.GENERIC, which boots until the "Enter root password, or ^D to go multi-user" prompt, at which point init exits on signal 12, is restarted, dies, is restarted, etc. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 20 18: 6:49 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C3A37B401 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B1843FA3 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:06:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h2L26dFU066494; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:06:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.7/8.12.7/Submit) id h2L26c1Q066493; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:06:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:06:38 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, John Polstra Subject: Re: Alpha 4.8 RC2 -- COME AND GET IT!! Message-ID: <20030321020638.GA66423@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: David O'Brien , Andrew Gallatin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, John Polstra References: <20030318165640.GA83997@dragon.nuxi.com> <200303190052.h2J0qd0U035726@vashon.polstra.com> <20030319182050.GA92527@dragon.nuxi.com> <15992.46508.848181.114241@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15992.46508.848181.114241@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 01:23:40PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > David O'Brien writes: > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 04:52:39PM -0800, John Polstra wrote: > > > Is "4.8-RC2-alpha-miniinst.iso" sufficient for testing the install, > > > > Yes. The miniinst is disc1 minus all the packages. I.e., it is the most > > that one can get of the traditional disc1 from only the output of "make > > release". > > Wilko raised some questions about the bootability of this image. I manually ran cdboot on the images right after Wilko reported it. I'm not sure why it didn't work properly by the script we use to build them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 20 21:33: 1 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4057C37B401 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:33:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B9AE43FA3 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:32:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h2L5WtFU067743; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:32:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.7/8.12.7/Submit) id h2L5WtDa067742; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:32:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:32:55 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: John Polstra Cc: alpha@freebsd.org, gallatin@cs.duke.edu Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! Message-ID: <20030321053255.GA67634@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: David O'Brien , John Polstra , alpha@freebsd.org, gallatin@cs.duke.edu References: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> <3E76CE0F.8FAA6AE3@mindspring.com> <20030318080132.GB10867@HAL9000.homeunix.com> <15991.9122.826678.673067@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <200303181645.h2IGjcuG035185@vashon.polstra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200303181645.h2IGjcuG035185@vashon.polstra.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 08:45:38AM -0800, John Polstra wrote: > In article <15991.9122.826678.673067@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>, > Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > FWIW, I think -mieee should be on by default. If anybody cared about > > speed, they'd use the compaq compiler or a P4. > > I agree! The lack of -mieee has nailed me on several occasions. > "Fast but broken" is a lousy default. I was already convensed when Drew said to change it, after you saying it too I'm booting my alpha to start hacking. :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 21 3: 0:33 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9324137B405 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 03:00:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw.cscoms.com (mailgw.cscoms.com [202.183.255.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03CE43F3F for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 03:00:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Economic2003@thaimail.com) Received: from cscoms.com (mail.cscoms.com [202.183.255.23]) by mailgw.cscoms.com (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h2LAv7ET024741; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 17:58:05 +0700 (ICT) Received: from ME (dial-111.ras-7.bkk.c.cscoms.com [203.170.129.111]) by cscoms.com (8.12.8/8.12.3) with SMTP id h2LAsEwo015259; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 17:54:15 +0700 (GMT) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 17:54:14 +0700 (GMT) Message-Id: <200303211054.h2LAsEwo015259@cscoms.com> From: Economic2003@thaimail.com Subject: สหรัฐ รบกับอิรัก เศรษฐกิจะดีขึ้นจริง ความมั่นคงในงานมีจริงหรือ? 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Please give specific address not your display name. --#MYBOUNDARY#-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 21 5:46:48 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876F237B401; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 05:46:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E126543F75; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 05:46:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2LDkQRv021298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:46:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h2LDkLw05559; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:46:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15995.6061.438600.611581@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:46:21 -0500 (EST) To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: John Polstra , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! In-Reply-To: <20030321053255.GA67634@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> <3E76CE0F.8FAA6AE3@mindspring.com> <20030318080132.GB10867@HAL9000.homeunix.com> <15991.9122.826678.673067@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <200303181645.h2IGjcuG035185@vashon.polstra.com> <20030321053255.GA67634@dragon.nuxi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien writes: > On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 08:45:38AM -0800, John Polstra wrote: > > In article <15991.9122.826678.673067@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>, > > Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > > FWIW, I think -mieee should be on by default. If anybody cared about > > > speed, they'd use the compaq compiler or a P4. > > > > I agree! The lack of -mieee has nailed me on several occasions. > > "Fast but broken" is a lousy default. > > I was already convensed when Drew said to change it, after you saying it > too I'm booting my alpha to start hacking. :-) While you're there, see if you can coerce gcc into not using fp registers willy-nilly ;) Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 21 8:37:35 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ADE237B401; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:37:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw.cscoms.com (mailgw.cscoms.com [202.183.255.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54FB343F75; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:37:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from FreeBooklet@thaimail.com) Received: from cscoms.com (mail.cscoms.com [202.183.255.23]) by mailgw.cscoms.com (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h2LGZKET032213; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 23:35:34 +0700 (ICT) Received: from ME (dial-49.ras-7.bkk.c.cscoms.com [203.170.129.49]) by cscoms.com (8.12.8/8.12.3) with SMTP id h2LGV4wo017066; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 23:31:07 +0700 (GMT) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 23:31:04 +0700 (GMT) Message-Id: <200303211631.h2LGV4wo017066@cscoms.com> From: FreeBooklet@thaimail.com Subject: แจกฟรี ! หนังสือคู่มือคนเคยจน สำหรับผู้สนใจ.... 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Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a patch to fix some memory leaks in the OSF/1 image activator but I would like for someone to test it to make sure I didn't somehow break execution of OSF/1 applications. The patch is at http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/patches/alpha_osf1.patch. Thanks. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 21 13: 9: 7 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8FC037B409; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:09:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211BF43FF5; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:07:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2LKwxRv027514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h2LKwsj05994; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:58:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15995.32014.569222.626233@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:58:54 -0500 (EST) To: John Baldwin Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OSF/1 patch.. In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Your patch seems to work fine. Thanks, Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 21 15:12: 7 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1DE737B401 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:12:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from procyon.firepipe.net (procyon.firepipe.net [198.78.66.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4001043FB1 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:12:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@csociety.org) Received: by procyon.firepipe.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1BF32222D7; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:12:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:12:05 -0800 From: Will Andrews To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: RAM for a DEC PWS 433au? Message-ID: <20030321231205.GB983@procyon.firepipe.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Does anyone know what kind of RAM these machines take? I am getting conflicting reports: 1) It takes normal ECC SDRAM, and would be fine with ECC PC100. 2) It's a special form of ECC SDRAM with a slight physical extension of some sort; it works in both Alphas and normal ECC SDRAM slots, but normal ECC SDRAM doesn't work in alpha slots. Before I attempt to obtain more memory for a 433au, I was hoping to get some enlightenment here. Regards, -- wca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 21 19: 5:40 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC6137B401 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:05:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from wall.polstra.com (wall-gw.polstra.com [206.213.73.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AED943F85 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:05:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h2M35YJL037116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:05:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@vashon.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h2M35YNE000680; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:05:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:05:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200303220305.h2M35YNE000680@vashon.polstra.com> To: alpha@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: will@csociety.org Subject: Re: RAM for a DEC PWS 433au? In-Reply-To: <20030321231205.GB983@procyon.firepipe.net> References: <20030321231205.GB983@procyon.firepipe.net> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <20030321231205.GB983@procyon.firepipe.net>, Will Andrews wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know what kind of RAM these machines take? I am > getting conflicting reports: > > 1) It takes normal ECC SDRAM, and would be fine with ECC PC100. > 2) It's a special form of ECC SDRAM with a slight physical > extension of some sort; it works in both Alphas and normal ECC > SDRAM slots, but normal ECC SDRAM doesn't work in alpha slots. > > Before I attempt to obtain more memory for a 433au, I was hoping > to get some enlightenment here. I have no personal knowledge about this, but if you go to www.crucial.com and enter "433au" into the "product search" type-in, you get this match: http://www.crucial.com/store/mpartspecs.asp?mtbpoid=EACF72A78C0EB3BE&CPE=IL6609&WSMD=Personal%20Workstation%20433au&WSPN=CT142820 John -- John Polstra John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Ch๖gyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 21 19:39:29 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D0837B401 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:39:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from poptart.bithose.com (ip-204-97-176-41.modem.logical.net [204.97.176.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6316E43F85 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:39:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jakari@bithose.com) Received: from poptart.bithose.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by poptart.bithose.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2M3dQJ6074656 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 22:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (jakari@localhost) by poptart.bithose.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id h2M3dQtG074589 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 22:39:26 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: poptart.bithose.com: jakari owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 22:39:26 -0500 (EST) From: Jameel Akari To: Subject: Re: RAM for a DEC PWS 433au? In-Reply-To: <200303220305.h2M35YNE000680@vashon.polstra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, John Polstra wrote: > In article <20030321231205.GB983@procyon.firepipe.net>, > Will Andrews wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Does anyone know what kind of RAM these machines take? I am > > getting conflicting reports: > > > > 1) It takes normal ECC SDRAM, and would be fine with ECC PC100. I think this is the case; it's actually 66MHz IIRC. > I have no personal knowledge about this, but if you go to > www.crucial.com and enter "433au" into the "product search" type-in, > you get this match: > > http://www.crucial.com/store/mpartspecs.asp?mtbpoid=EACF72A78C0EB3BE&CPE=IL6609&WSMD=Personal%20Workstation%20433au&WSPN=CT142820 I bought RAM for my 500au at Crucial and it worked just fine, even if it was a little pricy. I figure an Alpha deserved better than whatever I could find for $20 at a computer fair.. -- #!/jameel/akari sleep 4800; make clean && make breakfast To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 21 20:52:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDCDA37B404 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 20:52:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4CC43F85 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 20:52:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h2M4qQS2010741; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 20:52:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.7/8.12.7/Submit) id h2M4qQLu010740; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 20:52:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 20:52:26 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Will Andrews Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RAM for a DEC PWS 433au? Message-ID: <20030322045226.GA1845@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: David O'Brien , Will Andrews , alpha@freebsd.org References: <20030321231205.GB983@procyon.firepipe.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030321231205.GB983@procyon.firepipe.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 03:12:05PM -0800, Will Andrews wrote: > Does anyone know what kind of RAM these machines take? I am > getting conflicting reports: > > 1) It takes normal ECC SDRAM, and would be fine with ECC PC100. > 2) It's a special form of ECC SDRAM with a slight physical > extension of some sort; it works in both Alphas and normal ECC > SDRAM slots, but normal ECC SDRAM doesn't work in alpha slots. It uses 83 MHz unbuffered ECC SDRAM DIMM's installed in pairs. IIRC double sided DIMM's (ie, RAM chips on both sides of the DIMM). It is hit and miss getting PC100 ECC DIMM's to work. I've seen successfully reports from using a pair of Kingston KVR100X72C2/256. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 21 21:31:54 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D3B37B401 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 21:31:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [208.162.254.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA4843F93 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 21:31:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from pooh.honeypot.net.strauser.com (kirk@pooh.honeypot.net [10.0.5.128]) by kanga.honeypot.net (8.12.8/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h2M5VnZh068016 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 23:31:49 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Tuning my PC64 (heh!) From: Kirk Strauser Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 23:31:45 -0600 Message-ID: <87znnoynjy.fsf@pooh.honeypot.net> Lines: 46 X-Mailer: Gnus/5.090016 (Oort Gnus v0.16) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=-=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A friend gave me a PC64 system that I'm using as a firewall (running =2DSTABLE). I have a couple of quick questions: 1) The system has 2MB of L2 cache. Would bumping that to 8MB make a noticeable difference on, say, a make buildworld? 2) I've installed a Tekram DC-390f U/W SCSI card, and two U/W drives: a 4GB IBM and a 9GB IBM. Throughput is dismal, to say the least: bonnie++ on the 4GB: Version 1.93c ------Sequential Output------ --Sequential Input- --Ran= dom- Concurrency 1 -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --See= ks-- Machine Size K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP /sec= %CP gopher.honeypo 300M 6 99 7420 69 3631 41 12 99 7568 42 168.2= 65 Latency 2663ms 120ms 676ms 1859ms 25477us 3951= ms Version 1.93c ------Sequential Create------ --------Random Create----= ---- gopher.honeypot.net -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Dele= te-- files /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec= %CP 16 967 96 2611 94 1438 89 975 96 2496 95 1661= 91 Latency 369ms 300ms 353ms 361ms 225ms 240= ms bonnie++ on the 9GB: Version 1.93c ------Sequential Output------ --Sequential Input- --Ran= dom- Concurrency 1 -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --See= ks-- Machine Size K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP /sec= %CP gopher.honeypo 300M 6 99 9349 94 4957 68 11 99 12079 96 235.7= 106 Latency 1586ms 145ms 138ms 803ms 13585us 1979= ms Version 1.93c ------Sequential Create------ --------Random Create----= ---- gopher.honeypot.net -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Dele= te-- files /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec= %CP 16 92 11 4292 99 155 12 83 10 4124 99 257= 24 Latency 488ms 1891us 262ms 364ms 2565us 257= ms Is there some "DONT_MAKE_SMALL_WRITES_CRAWL" setting that I've missed somewhere? Running nightly backups on the machine takes forever. I really don't expect miracles from the little fellow, but still... Thanks for any information, =2D-=20 Kirk Strauser In Googlis non est, ergo non est. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA+e/VF5sRg+Y0CpvERAqxnAJ9nU7wdZRaST2Be3EdfbQjaEgyAgACfSrqQ UHJK0eO1Ha/hRjCHG61cm9Q= =WFO5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Mar 22 2:26:32 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7008A37B404 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 02:26:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from postino.fi.infn.it (postino.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237CE43F75 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 02:26:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it) Received: from dijkstra.fi.infn.it (dijkstra.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.13]) by postino.fi.infn.it (8.12.8/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2MAQHA4082535; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 11:26:19 +0100 (CET) Received: by dijkstra.fi.infn.it (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A4A3436D81; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 11:26:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dijkstra.fi.infn.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 784EE30C01; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 11:26:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 11:26:16 +0100 (CET) From: Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it X-X-Sender: fddi@dijkstra.fi.infn.it To: Jameel Akari Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAM for a DEC PWS 433au? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.1(snapshot 20020920) (postino.fi.infn.it) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-100.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, SUBJECT_MONTH_2,TO_BE_REMOVED_REPLY,USER_AGENT_PINE, USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.43 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org they are nto so expensive at crucial. in ITaly a COMPAQ dealer asked me 1000 euros foe 128MH RAM!! of course I did not buy it. Anyone has experience in buying at crucial? are they honest? what if the shippign is damaged?? Rick On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Jameel Akari wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, John Polstra wrote: > > > In article <20030321231205.GB983@procyon.firepipe.net>, > > Will Andrews wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Does anyone know what kind of RAM these machines take? I am > > > getting conflicting reports: > > > > > > 1) It takes normal ECC SDRAM, and would be fine with ECC PC100. > > I think this is the case; it's actually 66MHz IIRC. > > > I have no personal knowledge about this, but if you go to > > www.crucial.com and enter "433au" into the "product search" type-in, > > you get this match: > > > > http://www.crucial.com/store/mpartspecs.asp?mtbpoid=EACF72A78C0EB3BE&CPE=IL6609&WSMD=Personal%20Workstation%20433au&WSPN=CT142820 > > I bought RAM for my 500au at Crucial and it worked just fine, even > if it was a little pricy. I figure an Alpha deserved better than whatever > I could find for $20 at a computer fair.. > > > -- > #!/jameel/akari > sleep 4800; > make clean && make breakfast > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Mar 22 6:58:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB4437B401 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 06:58:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from poptart.bithose.com (ip-204-97-176-41.modem.logical.net [204.97.176.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA8643F93 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 06:58:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jakari@bithose.com) Received: from poptart.bithose.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by poptart.bithose.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2MEwCJ6075456; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 09:58:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (jakari@localhost) by poptart.bithose.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id h2MEwB6i075460; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 09:58:11 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: poptart.bithose.com: jakari owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 09:58:11 -0500 (EST) From: Jameel Akari To: Cc: Subject: Re: RAM for a DEC PWS 433au? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it wrote: > they are nto so expensive at crucial. > in ITaly a COMPAQ dealer asked me 1000 euros foe 128MH RAM!! of course I Umm.. yeah. > did not buy it. Anyone has experience in buying at crucial? > are they honest? > what if the shippign is damaged?? I buy all my memory from Crucial. Never a problem. I can't say how well international shipping works, but they usually ship Federal Express and I've never had shipping damage. I'd call them and ask about shipping if you have questions. And yeah, it's 83MHz clocked.. the 66MHz was for some other machine.. too much hardware for me to keep track of. Whatever it is that Crucial lists for the machine seems correct in any case. -- #!/jameel/akari sleep 4800; make clean && make breakfast To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message