From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Mar 23 13: 4:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3202F37B401 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:04:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from procyon.firepipe.net (procyon.firepipe.net [198.78.66.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02FF43F85 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:04:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@csociety.org) Received: by procyon.firepipe.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7F1F322351; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:04:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:04:44 -0800 From: Will Andrews To: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: KDE users? Message-ID: <20030323210444.GR983@procyon.firepipe.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Are there any KDE users on alpha here? If so, please mail kde@ telling us which version of FreeBSD you use it on, so we can best target your specific platform. Thanks. Regards, -- wca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Mar 23 14:25:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D01237B401 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:25:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65FFA43F3F for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:25:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2NMPoNq018278; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:25:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2NMPofU018277; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:25:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:25:50 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Will Andrews Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KDE users? Message-ID: <20030323222550.GB18246@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20030323210444.GR983@procyon.firepipe.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030323210444.GR983@procyon.firepipe.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-OS: FreeBSD 4.8-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 01:04:44PM -0800, Will Andrews wrote: > Hi, > > Are there any KDE users on alpha here? If so, please mail kde@ > telling us which version of FreeBSD you use it on, so we can best > target your specific platform. Thanks. What exactly do you mean by platform? Processor type? -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Mar 23 14:30:49 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C5A37B401 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:30:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from procyon.firepipe.net (procyon.firepipe.net [198.78.66.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A92C43F85 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:30:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@csociety.org) Received: by procyon.firepipe.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 36E3922351; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:30:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:30:43 -0800 From: Will Andrews To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Will Andrews , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KDE users? Message-ID: <20030323223043.GS983@procyon.firepipe.net> References: <20030323210444.GR983@procyon.firepipe.net> <20030323222550.GB18246@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030323222550.GB18246@freebie.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 11:25:50PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > What exactly do you mean by platform? Processor type? Well, I meant FreeBSD version (-stable, -current). Processor type would be nice to know but probably not necessary. Regards, -- wca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Mar 23 14:33:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD2C837B401 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:33:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1E143F75 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:33:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2NMXcNq018359; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:33:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2NMXcIJ018358; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:33:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:33:38 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Will Andrews Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KDE users? Message-ID: <20030323223338.GC18246@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20030323210444.GR983@procyon.firepipe.net> <20030323222550.GB18246@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20030323223043.GS983@procyon.firepipe.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030323223043.GS983@procyon.firepipe.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-OS: FreeBSD 4.8-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 02:30:43PM -0800, Will Andrews wrote: > On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 11:25:50PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > What exactly do you mean by platform? Processor type? > > Well, I meant FreeBSD version (-stable, -current). Processor > type would be nice to know but probably not necessary. Ah, ok. I would _guess_ that most Alpha _users_ try to avoid -current, as it is generally a rocky boat on Alpha, much more so than on x86. So I would suggest targeting -stable. -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Mar 23 14:39:44 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A3C637B404; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:39:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from procyon.firepipe.net (procyon.firepipe.net [198.78.66.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4EA43F3F; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:39:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@csociety.org) Received: by procyon.firepipe.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DACBA22351; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:39:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:39:41 -0800 From: Will Andrews To: Wilko Bulte Cc: kde@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KDE users? Message-ID: <20030323223941.GT983@procyon.firepipe.net> Mail-Followup-To: Wilko Bulte , kde@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20030323210444.GR983@procyon.firepipe.net> <20030323222550.GB18246@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20030323223043.GS983@procyon.firepipe.net> <20030323223338.GC18246@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030323223338.GC18246@freebie.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 11:33:38PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 02:30:43PM -0800, Will Andrews wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 11:25:50PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > What exactly do you mean by platform? Processor type? > > > > Well, I meant FreeBSD version (-stable, -current). Processor > > type would be nice to know but probably not necessary. > > Ah, ok. I would _guess_ that most Alpha _users_ try to avoid > -current, as it is generally a rocky boat on Alpha, much more so > than on x86. So I would suggest targeting -stable. Thanks for the information. Regards, -- wca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Mar 23 15: 9: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0609C37B401 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 15:08:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta01.mail.mel.aone.net.au (mta01.mail.au.uu.net [203.2.192.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E64C43F85 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 15:08:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rbyrnes@ozemail.com.au) Received: from pootah.ozemail.com.au ([63.60.233.201]) by mta01.mail.mel.aone.net.au with ESMTP id <20030323230854.EVLL19002.mta01.mail.mel.aone.net.au@pootah.ozemail.com.au>; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:08:54 +1100 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030323162817.02755660@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rbyrnes@pop.ozemail.com.au@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:49:19 +1100 To: Kirk Strauser From: Rob B Subject: Re: Tuning my PC64 (heh!) Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <87znnoynjy.fsf@pooh.honeypot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 04:31 PM 22/03/03, Kirk Strauser sent this up the stick: >A friend gave me a PC64 system that I'm using as a firewall (running >-STABLE). I have a couple of quick questions: Cool, I have one of these as well :) >1) The system has 2MB of L2 cache. Would bumping that to 8MB make a >noticeable difference on, say, a make buildworld? Potentially ... but I doubt it's worth the cost IIRC cache chips for these babies are hideously expensive. >2) I've installed a Tekram DC-390f U/W SCSI card, and two U/W drives: a 4GB >IBM and a 9GB IBM. Throughput is dismal, to say the least: > > > >Is there some "DONT_MAKE_SMALL_WRITES_CRAWL" setting that I've missed >somewhere? Running nightly backups on the machine takes forever. I really >don't expect miracles from the little fellow, but still... Can't help here .... my Cabriolet is out of action at the moment, so I'm reinstalling the OS on it. cheers, Rob -- You, you, you shouldn't, you shouldn't traumatize women with sexual intercourse. I should know, I'm a medieval doctor, I own a moat! This is random quote 1246 of 1254. Distance from the centre of the brewing universe [15200.8 km (8207.8 mi), 262.8 deg](Apparent) Rennerian Public Key fingerprint = 6219 33BD A37B 368D 29F5 19FB 945D C4D7 1F66 D9C5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 24 9:46:16 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA3937B401; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:46:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A115843FB1; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:46:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.8/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h2OHjvAm055603; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:45:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2OHjqbt055598; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:45:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:45:51 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: alpha@freebsd.org, gallatin@cs.duke.edu, jdp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! Message-ID: <20030324174551.GA55549@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: David O'Brien , alpha@freebsd.org, gallatin@cs.duke.edu, jdp@freebsd.org References: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> <3E76CE0F.8FAA6AE3@mindspring.com> <20030318080132.GB10867@HAL9000.homeunix.com> <15991.9122.826678.673067@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <200303181645.h2IGjcuG035185@vashon.polstra.com> <20030321053255.GA67634@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030321053255.GA67634@dragon.nuxi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-23.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 09:32:55PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 08:45:38AM -0800, John Polstra wrote: > > In article <15991.9122.826678.673067@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>, > > Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > > FWIW, I think -mieee should be on by default. If anybody cared about > > > speed, they'd use the compaq compiler or a P4. > > > > I agree! The lack of -mieee has nailed me on several occasions. > > "Fast but broken" is a lousy default. > > I was already convensed when Drew said to change it, after you saying it > too I'm booting my alpha to start hacking. :-) I have a mostly ready patch to make -mieee the default. But I just wanted to double check that we really want this, and not just adding -mieee to CFLAGS for /usr/src. Also do we want -mieee-with-inexact instead of -mieee? I'm not enough of an FP guy to totally grasp the differences. (see http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-3.2.2/gcc/DEC-Alpha-Options.html#DEC%20Alpha%20Options) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 24 10:30:31 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A60837B401; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:30:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from wall.polstra.com (wall-gw.polstra.com [206.213.73.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B8BB43FAF; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:30:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h2OIURJL051478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:30:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@vashon.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h2OIUQix007424; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:30:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:30:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200303241830.h2OIUQix007424@vashon.polstra.com> To: alpha@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: obrien@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! In-Reply-To: <20030324174551.GA55549@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> <200303181645.h2IGjcuG035185@vashon.polstra.com> <20030321053255.GA67634@dragon.nuxi.com> <20030324174551.GA55549@dragon.nuxi.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-19.6 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <20030324174551.GA55549@dragon.nuxi.com>, David O'Brien wrote: > > I have a mostly ready patch to make -mieee the default. But I just > wanted to double check that we really want this, and not just adding > -mieee to CFLAGS for /usr/src. Good question. :-) > Also do we want -mieee-with-inexact instead of -mieee? I'm not enough of > an FP guy to totally grasp the differences. (see > http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-3.2.2/gcc/DEC-Alpha-Options.html#DEC%20Alpha%20Options) I think we just want -mieee. John -- John Polstra John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 24 10:38: 1 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655BD37B401; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:37:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9740843F3F; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:37:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2OIbtRv021720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:37:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h2OIbo713457; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:37:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15999.20606.848713.334572@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:37:50 -0500 (EST) To: John Polstra Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! In-Reply-To: <200303241830.h2OIUQix007424@vashon.polstra.com> References: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> <200303181645.h2IGjcuG035185@vashon.polstra.com> <20030321053255.GA67634@dragon.nuxi.com> <20030324174551.GA55549@dragon.nuxi.com> <200303241830.h2OIUQix007424@vashon.polstra.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-22.9 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Polstra writes: > In article <20030324174551.GA55549@dragon.nuxi.com>, > David O'Brien wrote: > > > > I have a mostly ready patch to make -mieee the default. But I just > > wanted to double check that we really want this, and not just adding > > -mieee to CFLAGS for /usr/src. > > Good question. :-) I think we'd also want it on for ports. IE, enabling -mieee in the KDE build saved me from some FPE's in konquerer when I was using an alpha desktop. So, I think that making it the default is probably the best. As long as somebody can turn it off with -mnoieee or something. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 24 20: 1:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F71837B401 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:01:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54DA43F3F for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:01:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.8/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h2P412Am013445; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:01:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2P40wPK013443; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:00:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:00:57 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: John Polstra , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! Message-ID: <20030325040057.GD12961@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: David O'Brien , Andrew Gallatin , John Polstra , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> <200303181645.h2IGjcuG035185@vashon.polstra.com> <20030321053255.GA67634@dragon.nuxi.com> <20030324174551.GA55549@dragon.nuxi.com> <200303241830.h2OIUQix007424@vashon.polstra.com> <15999.20606.848713.334572@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15999.20606.848713.334572@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-21.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 01:37:50PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > So, I think that making it the default is probably the best. As long > as somebody can turn it off with -mnoieee or something. Unfortnately, that is hard to do (turning it off). :-( Do I commit my patches if it means one cannot turn it off? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 25 6: 2:59 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8CA937B401; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 06:02:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C7743F85; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 06:02:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PE2tRv021333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:02:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h2PE2oL14820; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:02:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16000.24970.493746.357815@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:02:50 -0500 (EST) To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: John Polstra , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! In-Reply-To: <20030325040057.GD12961@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> <200303181645.h2IGjcuG035185@vashon.polstra.com> <20030321053255.GA67634@dragon.nuxi.com> <20030324174551.GA55549@dragon.nuxi.com> <200303241830.h2OIUQix007424@vashon.polstra.com> <15999.20606.848713.334572@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20030325040057.GD12961@dragon.nuxi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-22.9 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien writes: > On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 01:37:50PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > So, I think that making it the default is probably the best. As long > > as somebody can turn it off with -mnoieee or something. > > Unfortnately, that is hard to do (turning it off). :-( > Do I commit my patches if it means one cannot turn it off? > Darn. My opinion is that its rather important for users to be able to turn it off. Assuming we went the other route, and built the world and ports with -mieee, how many Makefile changes would be involved? Thanks, Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 25 8:21:27 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A8737B404 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:21:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.oremut01.us.wh.verio.net (gatekeeper.oremut01.us.wh.verio.net [198.65.168.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484CD43F85 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:21:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fclift@verio.net) Received: from mx.dmz.orem.verio.net (mx.dmz.orem.verio.net [10.1.1.10]) by gatekeeper.oremut01.us.wh.verio.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91423BF427 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:21:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net (vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net [10.1.1.59]) by mx.dmz.orem.verio.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2PGLKp84355 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:21:20 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:23:36 -0700 (MST) From: Fred Clift X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! In-Reply-To: <16000.24970.493746.357815@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: <20030325092026.X54897-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > David O'Brien writes: > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 01:37:50PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > So, I think that making it the default is probably the best. As long > > > as somebody can turn it off with -mnoieee or something. > > > > Unfortnately, that is hard to do (turning it off). :-( > > Do I commit my patches if it means one cannot turn it off? So how are you achieving this? Are you changing makefiles in the buildsystem? How about tweaking the compiler so that the default semantics are reversed and then change the flag -mieeee (or whatever it was -- can't remember) to just be -noieee as suggested? By just changing the compiler, we dont have to touch the rest of the system, and people can still get the desired behavior fairly easily... I dont know what changes we make already but I understand that there is some customization to the compiler that is imported into the system. So, what is one more change? Fred -- Fred Clift - fclift@verio.net -- Remember: If brute force doesn't work, you're just not using enough. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 25 8:28:15 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8DF37B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:28:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C15B43FAF for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:28:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.8/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h2PGRsAm064300; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:27:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2PGRkYF064299; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:27:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:27:46 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: John Polstra , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! Message-ID: <20030325162746.GC64175@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: David O'Brien , Andrew Gallatin , John Polstra , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> <200303181645.h2IGjcuG035185@vashon.polstra.com> <20030321053255.GA67634@dragon.nuxi.com> <20030324174551.GA55549@dragon.nuxi.com> <200303241830.h2OIUQix007424@vashon.polstra.com> <15999.20606.848713.334572@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20030325040057.GD12961@dragon.nuxi.com> <16000.24970.493746.357815@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <16000.24970.493746.357815@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-21.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 09:02:50AM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > David O'Brien writes: > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 01:37:50PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > So, I think that making it the default is probably the best. As long > > > as somebody can turn it off with -mnoieee or something. > > > > Unfortnately, that is hard to do (turning it off). :-( > > Do I commit my patches if it means one cannot turn it off? > > Darn. > > My opinion is that its rather important for users to be able to turn > it off. > > Assuming we went the other route, and built the world and ports with > -mieee, how many Makefile changes would be involved? Ports, one -- /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk /usr/src, one -- /usr/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 25 8:33:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D6737B401; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:33:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D9443F85; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:33:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PGXpRv000745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:33:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h2PGXkf14933; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:33:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16000.34026.634358.164828@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:33:46 -0500 (EST) To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: John Polstra , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! In-Reply-To: <20030325162746.GC64175@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> <200303181645.h2IGjcuG035185@vashon.polstra.com> <20030321053255.GA67634@dragon.nuxi.com> <20030324174551.GA55549@dragon.nuxi.com> <200303241830.h2OIUQix007424@vashon.polstra.com> <15999.20606.848713.334572@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20030325040057.GD12961@dragon.nuxi.com> <16000.24970.493746.357815@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20030325162746.GC64175@dragon.nuxi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-22.9 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien writes: > On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 09:02:50AM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > David O'Brien writes: > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 01:37:50PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > So, I think that making it the default is probably the best. As long > > > > as somebody can turn it off with -mnoieee or something. > > > > > > Unfortnately, that is hard to do (turning it off). :-( > > > Do I commit my patches if it means one cannot turn it off? > > > > Darn. > > > > My opinion is that its rather important for users to be able to turn > > it off. > > > > Assuming we went the other route, and built the world and ports with > > -mieee, how many Makefile changes would be involved? > > Ports, one -- /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk > /usr/src, one -- /usr/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk OK, if its hard to implement a -nomieee, then I think it would be best to simply change the Makefiles to add -mieee. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 25 8:43:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ACDB37B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:43:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from wall.polstra.com (wall-gw.polstra.com [206.213.73.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2FA43F93 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:43:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h2PGhcJL056786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:43:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@vashon.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h2PGhbXs008867; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:43:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:43:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200303251643.h2PGhbXs008867@vashon.polstra.com> To: alpha@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! In-Reply-To: <16000.34026.634358.164828@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> References: <20030317161219.GA1429@sunbay.com> <16000.24970.493746.357815@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20030325162746.GC64175@dragon.nuxi.com> <16000.34026.634358.164828@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-19.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <16000.34026.634358.164828@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > OK, if its hard to implement a -nomieee, then I think it would be best > to simply change the Makefiles to add -mieee. I agree. John -- John Polstra John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 25 16: 2:37 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9AFE37B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:02:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun13.bham.ac.uk (sun13.bham.ac.uk [147.188.128.145]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8E043F75 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:02:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trigonometric@softhome.net) Received: from [147.188.128.127] (helo=bham.ac.uk) by sun13.bham.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18xyNG-00033Z-00 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 00:02:34 +0000 Received: from sci-fs1.bham.ac.uk ([147.188.118.71]) by bham.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 18xyNG-0005eY-00 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 00:02:34 +0000 Received: from [192.168.25.27] not authenticated [147.188.187.95] by sci-fs1.bham.ac.uk with Novell NIMS $Revision: 2.88.1.1 $ on Novell NetWare; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 00:01:48 +0000 Subject: AlphaStation 255 + FreeBSD 5.0 Release, X hang From: Jimmy K To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1048636963.3819.45.camel@chronus.chronus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 26 Mar 2003 00:02:43 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT_XIMIAN autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a DEC AlphaStation 255, it has an S3 86C765 (Trio64) graphics card. I recently upgraded it to FreeBSD 5.0 RELEASE. X used to work on FreeBSD 4.6 when Option "no_pci_disconnect" was used, however this trick does not work with 5.0 ala Xfree86 4.2.1; the machine locks up and has to be power cycled. I've tried lots of things and nothing seems to work. This problem seems to be little publicised but omnipresent with the Alphastation 255. I was wondering where I can find the definitive guide on what is wrong with the Alpha and the Trio 64 and how I can get my current machine to work. It surprises me that this problem is not more widely publicised owing to the fact that many AlphaStation 255's come with this card installed. I apologise in advance, I know this is a technical list but I had nowhere else to go since there aren't that many people out there that are experts on FreeBSD alpha. Kxxx To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 27 06:02:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FBDD37B401 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:02:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from arthur.vortex4.net (arthur.vortex4.net [216.27.179.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8988243F93 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:02:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from friend@vortex4.net) Received: (qmail 61790 invoked by uid 1000); 27 Mar 2003 14:02:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:02:44 -0800 From: Dave To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030327060244.I46996@vortex4.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD arthur.vortex4.net 4.8-RC FreeBSD 4.8-RC X-System-Stats: 2:33PM up 2 days, 20:18, 2 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Subject: -march=pca56 blows up nethack34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:02:47 -0000 Hey all, I'm not sure if there's a more appropriate forum to report this problem, and any relevent feedback on that front would be appropriate. I recently installed 5.0-RELEASE on a PC164SX Alpha system, dutifully set my CPUTYPE to pca56 in /etc/make.conf, built & installed world without problems, and started adding important ports to the system, most notably nethack34-nox11. I found after building it (with no reported problems), that it wouldn't run-- after the class/race/alignment selection (or lackthereof if you let it select for you), the game would bomb out with "illegal instruction". I solved the problem by pkg_delete'ing the port, commenting out the CPUTYPE var from /etc/make.conf, and rebuilding it. Now it works with no problems. So I'm wondering a couple of things. First, has anyone seen anything like this before with other ports on 5.x for alpha? Is it "safe" to specify my CPUTYPE? Second, who would benefit the most from this bug report? The alpha list? the current list? the port maintainer? Feedback is appreciated. Thanks! -- Dave Cotton friend@vortex4.net From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 28 01:39:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB74C37B401 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 01:39:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from web20502.mail.yahoo.com (web20502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 59D1943F75 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 01:39:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lefebvrebertrand@yahoo.fr) Message-ID: <20030328093938.28771.qmail@web20502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.250.47.16] by web20502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:39:38 CET Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:39:38 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bertrand=20LEFEBVRE?= To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_00_10,HTML_MESSAGE version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Unable to create ..... X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:39:39 -0000 I got an alpha 2100 digital and when I install freebsd, the partitionning is ok but it refuses to create the swap partition with the error: unable to create node in /dev for da0b ... I found nothing in the FAQS Help please. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Testez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 29 10:27:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E82B737B401 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:27:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A7B43FD7 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:27:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2TIRjRv017210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 13:27:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h2TIReb24060; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 13:27:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16005.58780.487088.88619@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 13:27:40 -0500 (EST) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Subject: Fix for osf1 emulation in 5.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:27:50 -0000 Hi, Some people have been having problems like the following with OSF/1 emulation on 5.0-RELEASE and 5.0-current: exception system: exiting due to multiple internal errors: out of memory trying to allocate exception system resources handler returned invalid disposition It turns out that this is caused by a subtle difference in SMP and UP kernels. Only SMP kernels are affected by this problem. If you have a single CPU system, the easist fix is to remove the line 'options SMP' from your kernel config file, rebuild your kernel, install it, and reboot. If you have an SMP system, please apply the appended patch, rebuild your kernel, install it, and reboot. Another option would be to upgrade to 5.0-current, where this problem has just been fixed (by the application of the patch below). Cheers, Drew Index: alpha/include/param.h =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/alpha/include/param.h,v retrieving revision 1.29 diff -u -r1.29 param.h --- alpha/include/param.h 17 Sep 2002 01:48:54 -0000 1.29 +++ alpha/include/param.h 21 Mar 2003 20:15:47 -0000 @@ -91,8 +91,9 @@ #include #include +#define MAXSMPCPU 8 #ifdef SMP -#define MAXCPU 32 +#define MAXCPU MAXSMPCPU #else #define MAXCPU 1 #endif Index: alpha/include/pmap.h =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/alpha/include/pmap.h,v retrieving revision 1.21 diff -u -r1.21 pmap.h --- alpha/include/pmap.h 16 Mar 2003 04:16:02 -0000 1.21 +++ alpha/include/pmap.h 21 Mar 2003 20:15:05 -0000 @@ -177,7 +177,7 @@ struct { u_int32_t asn:ASN_BITS; /* address space number */ u_int32_t gen:ASNGEN_BITS; /* generation number */ - } pm_asn[MAXCPU]; + } pm_asn[MAXSMPCPU]; struct pmap_statistics pm_stats; /* pmap statistics */ struct vm_page *pm_ptphint; /* pmap ptp hint */ LIST_ENTRY(pmap) pm_list; /* list of all pmaps. */ From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 29 13:18:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3691B37B401 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 13:18:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D0E943F3F for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 13:18:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.8/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h2TLIdAm002005; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 13:18:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2TLIdfE002004; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 13:18:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 13:18:39 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Fred Clift Message-ID: <20030329211839.GE37614@dragon.nuxi.com> Mail-Followup-To: David O'Brien , Fred Clift , alpha@freebsd.org References: <16000.24970.493746.357815@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20030325092026.X54897-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030325092026.X54897-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Don't upgrade your Alphas! X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 21:18:53 -0000 On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 09:23:36AM -0700, Fred Clift wrote: > > David O'Brien writes: > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 01:37:50PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > So, I think that making it the default is probably the best. As long > > > > as somebody can turn it off with -mnoieee or something. > > > > > > Unfortnately, that is hard to do (turning it off). :-( > > > Do I commit my patches if it means one cannot turn it off? > > > So how are you achieving this? Are you changing makefiles in the > buildsystem? No, by hacking the compiler code. > How about tweaking the compiler so that the default semantics are reversed > and then change the flag -mieeee (or whatever it was -- can't remember) to > just be -noieee as suggested? > > By just changing the compiler, we dont have to touch the rest of the > system, and people can still get the desired behavior fairly easily... Uh... show me your FSF GCC committable patches please. You're boarder line insulting me here, so do not offer anymore suggestions w/o some code to back it up. > I dont know what changes we make already but I understand that there is > some customization to the compiler that is imported into the system. So, > what is one more change? A PITA to maintain and something that might not at all port to some future version of GCC like 3.3 or 3.4.