From owner-freebsd-amd64@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 28 09:41:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA9016A4B3 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from norton.palomine.net (norton.palomine.net [66.93.48.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AB1C743FF9 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:41:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sullrich@palomine.net) Received: (qmail 93000 invoked by uid 1004); 28 Sep 2003 16:41:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:41:22 -0400 From: SKU To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030928164122.GA92089@palomine.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Buildworld times on a AMD64 processor X-BeenThere: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the AMD64 platform List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:41:24 -0000 Greetings! Can someone tell me how much quicker FreeBSD runs on the Amd64 platform for compiling worlds and or make release? Currently I can build release on a Pentium 4 3.02 ghz in about 40 minutes (without ports) and would like to get this down to around 10-15 minutes (or even 20). Second question: If you had to buy a couple of FreeBSD builder boxes for building releases and testing only, which platform would you go with: Amd64 or the Opteron? Third question: Can the x86 codebase be cross-compiled while running under 64 bits? Ultimately I am making x86 releases. Thanks in advance for any help that you can offer! -SKU From owner-freebsd-amd64@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 3 07:42:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5812516A4B3 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pandora.cs.kun.nl (pandora.cs.kun.nl [131.174.33.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2631644061 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:40:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adridg@cs.kun.nl) Received: from odin.cs.kun.nl by pandora.cs.kun.nl id h93EeDdK028716 (8.12.10/3.58); Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:40:13 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:40:13 +0200 (MEST) From: Adriaan de Groot To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: amd64 as an X desktop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: adridg@cs.kun.nl List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the AMD64 platform List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:42:52 -0000 Hi all, KDE-FreeBSD is starting to work on getting KDE running on ia64. A lousy task, since there's no X port, and no gdb either. Plus, ia64 boxes are ruddy expensive, and so there's not enough of them to play with. I was thinking of getting an amd64 box to play with, to perhaps sort out some of the other 32-bit x86 linux-centric stuff in KDE. However, I'm a KDE guy, not a kernel, X, or gdb guy, so I need to have that basis stable before I can get anything done. How's X's stability on amd64 right now? Does gdb work? -- Adriaan de Groot groot@kde.org http://freebsd.kde.org GPG Key Fingerprint 934E 31AA 80A7 723F 54F9 50ED 76AC EE01 FEA2 A3FE From owner-freebsd-amd64@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 3 13:10:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF3416A4B3 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B7A43FE0 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:10:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A962A900; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:10:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: adridg@cs.kun.nl In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:10:32 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20031003201032.45A962A900@canning.wemm.org> cc: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: amd64 as an X desktop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the AMD64 platform List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 20:10:39 -0000 Adriaan de Groot wrote: > Hi all, > > KDE-FreeBSD is starting to work on getting KDE running on ia64. A lousy > task, since there's no X port, and no gdb either. Plus, ia64 boxes are > ruddy expensive, and so there's not enough of them to play with. I was > thinking of getting an amd64 box to play with, to perhaps sort out some of > the other 32-bit x86 linux-centric stuff in KDE. However, I'm a KDE guy, > not a kernel, X, or gdb guy, so I need to have that basis stable before I > can get anything done. > > How's X's stability on amd64 right now? Does gdb work? The XFree86-4 ports build and mostly work. It doesn't work well on some of the older vga drivers (a 1996 vintage trident card that I tried), but does work on the matrox/ati/nvidia cards the last time I tried. I run it on a matrox g450 at work. As far as stability goes, it was bomb proof up until a few weeks ago when I got a segfault during a 'make release' and Alan Cox got a lost interrupt somewhere. That may have been generic 5.x problems though, but the interrupt thing is a more interesting issue. Having said that, it does work pretty well. I'm in the process of switching my primary desktop boxes (home and work) to amd64 machines. I just haven't quite gotten around to moving the files over yet. David O'Brien had trouble with an nvidia card I believe. We do have a gdb that does work, but its a "special" build based on a prerelease pre-gdb-6.0-tree. My experience with it so far suggest that it actually seems to work a little better than the one in /usr/src at the moment. I should put the binary in a more accessible place. Having said all that, it hasn't been officially promoted to tier-1 status yet, mostly because I wanted to hold off on an ABI-break before doing that. It looks like I dont need to do it after all. In reality it is in better shape than some of our other tier-1 platforms, but keeping a pair of peril-sensitive sunglasses nearby would be a good strategy. If you want to pick up a machine, I've booted FreeBSD on both the asus SK8N and gigabyte K8N Pro (both nvidia nforce3 based). I have not tried the asus K8V or whatever it is called (via K8T800 chipset based). I've been meaning to try out a via based system to make sure there are no suprises. No, we do not have a driver for the onboard nvidia ethernet on the nforce3, but some of the boards I've seen have a realtek 8110 based gigabit ethernet (no driver) or a 3com/marvell gigabit chip (I dont know what this chip is). The ATA driver doesn't recognize some of the SATA or RAID hardware on these boards, but I've been able to use plain IDE drives no problem. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 From owner-freebsd-amd64@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 3 13:30:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB88616A4B3 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omega.metrics.com (ns.metrics.com [204.138.110.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 499AA44001 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:30:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomh@waterloo.equitrac.com) Received: from syncro.metrics.com ([192.168.96.20]) by omega.metrics.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05524 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SYNCRO with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:30:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Haapanen, Tom" To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:30:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: amd64 as an X desktop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the AMD64 platform List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 20:30:45 -0000 Peter, Do you know whether anyone has tried a Tyan K8S (I think this is an AMD 8000 chipset)? Any chance of SMP support in the near future? K8S has a Broadcom BCM5704C Ethernet chip, ATI Rage XL video and Promise PDC2037x S/ATA RAID. Plus optionally LSI 53C1030 U320 SCSI. Is there any point considering building a machine around this board? Thanks ... Tom -----Original Message----- From: Peter Wemm [mailto:peter@wemm.org] Sent: 03 October, 2003 16:11 To: adridg@cs.kun.nl Cc: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: amd64 as an X desktop? [...] If you want to pick up a machine, I've booted FreeBSD on both the asus SK8N and gigabyte K8N Pro (both nvidia nforce3 based). I have not tried the asus K8V or whatever it is called (via K8T800 chipset based). I've been meaning to try out a via based system to make sure there are no suprises. No, we do not have a driver for the onboard nvidia ethernet on the nforce3, but some of the boards I've seen have a realtek 8110 based gigabit ethernet (no driver) or a 3com/marvell gigabit chip (I dont know what this chip is). The ATA driver doesn't recognize some of the SATA or RAID hardware on these boards, but I've been able to use plain IDE drives no problem. From owner-freebsd-amd64@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 3 13:54:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45F216A4B3 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 593DC43FAF for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:54:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4343C2A913; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:54:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Haapanen, Tom" In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:54:24 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20031003205424.4343C2A913@canning.wemm.org> cc: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: amd64 as an X desktop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the AMD64 platform List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 20:54:24 -0000 "Haapanen, Tom" wrote: > Peter, > > Do you know whether anyone has tried a Tyan K8S (I think this is an AMD 8000 > chipset)? Any chance of SMP support in the near future? No, I don't know about a Tyan K8S. It is likely to Just Work though. I didn't mention the server-class boards in the previous post - I expect them all to work fine since they use the AMD chipsets. As for SMP, I've got a mostly complete set of code that compiles, but the AP bootstrap code still needs to be finished. And of course, debugging and making it actually work rather than just compile. :-) It shouldn't be long. > K8S has a Broadcom BCM5704C Ethernet chip, ATI Rage XL video and Promise > PDC2037x S/ATA RAID. Plus optionally LSI 53C1030 U320 SCSI. > > Is there any point considering building a machine around this board? Tell you what, build one and send it to me.. I'd be glad to.. errr ``test'' it :-) Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 From owner-freebsd-amd64@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 3 13:58:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A647E16A4B3 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:58:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omega.metrics.com (ns.metrics.com [204.138.110.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9559543FE9 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:58:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomh@waterloo.equitrac.com) Received: from syncro.metrics.com ([192.168.96.20]) by omega.metrics.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06954 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SYNCRO with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:58:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Haapanen, Tom" To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:58:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: amd64 as an X desktop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the AMD64 platform List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 20:58:24 -0000 If I could only afford to build two, I would gladly send you one of them! :-) Tom -----Original Message----- From: Peter Wemm [mailto:peter@wemm.org] Sent: 03 October, 2003 16:54 To: Haapanen, Tom Cc: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: amd64 as an X desktop? > Is there any point considering building a machine around this board? Tell you what, build one and send it to me.. I'd be glad to.. errr ``test'' it :-) From owner-freebsd-amd64@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 3 14:51:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161A016A4B3 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pandora.cs.kun.nl (pandora.cs.kun.nl [131.174.33.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D9743FF2 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:51:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adridg@cs.kun.nl) Received: from odin.cs.kun.nl by pandora.cs.kun.nl id h93Lp9dK016720 (8.12.10/3.58); Fri, 3 Oct 2003 23:51:09 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 23:51:09 +0200 (MEST) From: Adriaan de Groot To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20031003201032.45A962A900@canning.wemm.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: amd64 as an X desktop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: adridg@cs.kun.nl List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the AMD64 platform List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 21:51:12 -0000 Hi Peter, Thanks for the informative post. So amd64 is headed for tier-1 status? Have you actually tried running GNOME / KDE on it? THose are pretty stressful and complicated things, that's why ia64 started trying to get them to work. On Fri, 3 Oct 2003, Peter Wemm wrote: > > thinking of getting an amd64 box to play with, to perhaps sort out some of > > the other 32-bit x86 linux-centric stuff in KDE. However, I'm a KDE guy, > > not a kernel, X, or gdb guy, so I need to have that basis stable before I > > can get anything done. > > issue. Having said that, it does work pretty well. I'm in the process of > switching my primary desktop boxes (home and work) to amd64 machines. > I just haven't quite gotten around to moving the files over yet. David > O'Brien had trouble with an nvidia card I believe. OK, my primary goal is to find some combination of hardware that would Just Work, based partly on what I can scrounge out of my current machines. I would be mostly interested in what gcc 3.3 does with C++ code on the amd64, and in hunting down endian/sizeness bugs in KDE. > If you want to pick up a machine, I've booted FreeBSD on both the asus SK8N > and gigabyte K8N Pro (both nvidia nforce3 based). I have not tried the > asus K8V or whatever it is called (via K8T800 chipset based). I've been meaning > to try out a via based system to make sure there are no suprises. Aye, and if I build two, you'll be glad to "test" one. Tella ya what, I'll shell out a month's salary for just one box with a K8V, and let you know. Although, by the time the parts arrive here, you'll probably have one anyway. > No, we do not have a driver for the onboard nvidia ethernet on the nforce3, > but some of the boards I've seen have a realtek 8110 based gigabit ethernet > (no driver) or a 3com/marvell gigabit chip (I dont know what this chip is). This sounds like "there is no Gb LAN support at all anywhere". > The ATA driver doesn't recognize some of the SATA or RAID hardware on these > boards, but I've been able to use plain IDE drives no problem. OK, I guess that's a start. I can't tell whether the Promise 20378 RAID controller is supported from the FBSD x86 HW support page -- that'd provide 2 SATA ports already. And the LAN controller seems to be 3Com, that can hardly be a problem. -- Adriaan de Groot adridg@cs.kun.nl Kamer A6020 024-3652272 GPG Key Fingerprint 934E 31AA 80A7 723F 54F9 50ED 76AC EE01 FEA2 A3FE http://www.cs.kun.nl/~adridg/research/ From owner-freebsd-amd64@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 3 15:10:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40DA916A4BF for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opiate.soulwax.net (CPE0010a702d464-CM000039ae486b.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [63.138.27.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB1343F75 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:10:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chopra@opiate.soulwax.net) Received: by opiate.soulwax.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8787265; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:09:08 -0400 From: Munish Chopra To: Adriaan de Groot Message-ID: <20031003220908.GA18802@opiate.soulwax.net> References: <20031003201032.45A962A900@canning.wemm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: cc: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: amd64 as an X desktop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the AMD64 platform List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:10:13 -0000 On 2003-10-03 23:51 +0200, Adriaan de Groot wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Thanks for the informative post. So amd64 is headed for tier-1 status? That's been my understanding for a while. [...] > > > No, we do not have a driver for the onboard nvidia ethernet on the nforce3, > > but some of the boards I've seen have a realtek 8110 based gigabit ethernet > > (no driver) or a 3com/marvell gigabit chip (I dont know what this chip is). > > This sounds like "there is no Gb LAN support at all anywhere". > I don't know if it helps, but several of the reference (pre-production) boards shipped with the 3Com stuff on-board. Most, if not all from what I hear, production boards seem to be shipping with the Realtek chip. This has apparently caused headaches here and there. > > The ATA driver doesn't recognize some of the SATA or RAID hardware on these > > boards, but I've been able to use plain IDE drives no problem. > > OK, I guess that's a start. I can't tell whether the Promise 20378 RAID > controller is supported from the FBSD x86 HW support page -- that'd > provide 2 SATA ports already. And the LAN controller seems to be 3Com, > that can hardly be a problem. > I think Promise has been pretty generous to Soeren so far by providing him SATA hardware to test with. You might want to check with him for details. Good luck. -- Munish Chopra From owner-freebsd-amd64@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 3 15:25:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6AFF16A4B3 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3937143F75 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:25:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (IDENT:brdavis@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h93MP8DH028464; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:25:08 -0700 Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.3/Submit) id h93MP8Jw028463; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:25:08 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:25:08 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Munish Chopra Message-ID: <20031003222508.GB12984@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <20031003201032.45A962A900@canning.wemm.org> <20031003220908.GA18802@opiate.soulwax.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031003220908.GA18802@opiate.soulwax.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) on odin.ac.hmc.edu cc: Adriaan de Groot cc: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: amd64 as an X desktop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the AMD64 platform List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:25:25 -0000 --s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 06:09:08PM -0400, Munish Chopra wrote: > On 2003-10-03 23:51 +0200, Adriaan de Groot wrote: > I don't know if it helps, but several of the reference (pre-production) > boards shipped with the 3Com stuff on-board. Most, if not all from what > I hear, production boards seem to be shipping with the Realtek > chip. This has apparently caused headaches here and there. The server class boards I've seen all have Broadcom chips which puts them in the "better then something without a driver, but not much else" catagory. The MSI board we have works fine, but has serious problems PXE booting. Better then half the time it failes in such a way that it doesn't even make it to the automagic reboot partion on the disk. The other one is an Accelertech Tsunami64 which is more stable under some loads them some of our dual Xeons. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ffdAXY6L6fI4GtQRAp21AJ9C1FqlMAxsPrpNmEM+3CYrZAWwXACgxaRi TUnQF3IlndduQWRbvNDANgo= =Ukyu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML-- From owner-freebsd-amd64@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 4 10:11:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 802E416A4B3 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A757C44003 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:11:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h94HBhJC092895; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:11:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h94HBgXJ092894; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:11:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:11:42 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Peter Wemm Message-ID: <20031004171142.GA92848@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <20031003201032.45A962A900@canning.wemm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031003201032.45A962A900@canning.wemm.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.1-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 cc: adridg@cs.kun.nl cc: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: amd64 as an X desktop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: amd64@freebsd.org List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the AMD64 platform List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 17:11:48 -0000 On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 01:10:32PM -0700, Peter Wemm wrote: > The ATA driver doesn't recognize some of the SATA or RAID hardware on these > boards, but I've been able to use plain IDE drives no problem. The SATA RAID on the Asus SK8N works fine. From owner-freebsd-amd64@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 4 10:13:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C83216A4B3 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E9943F93 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:13:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h94HDZJC092928; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:13:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h94HDYsH092927; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:13:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:13:34 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: "Haapanen, Tom" Message-ID: <20031004171334.GB92848@dragon.nuxi.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.1-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 cc: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: amd64 as an X desktop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the AMD64 platform List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 17:13:36 -0000 On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 04:30:34PM -0400, Haapanen, Tom wrote: > Peter, > > Do you know whether anyone has tried a Tyan K8S (I think this is an AMD 8000 > chipset)? Any chance of SMP support in the near future? Other than SMP support, FreeBSD works fine on all the AMD chipset based motherboards. From owner-freebsd-amd64@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 4 10:14:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B114516A4B3 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:14:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9E244003 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:14:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h94HEqJC092948; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:14:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h94HEqQ9092947; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:14:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:14:51 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Peter Wemm Message-ID: <20031004171451.GC92848@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <20031003205424.4343C2A913@canning.wemm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031003205424.4343C2A913@canning.wemm.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.1-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 cc: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: amd64 as an X desktop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the AMD64 platform List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 17:14:55 -0000 On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 01:54:24PM -0700, Peter Wemm wrote: > > K8S has a Broadcom BCM5704C Ethernet chip, ATI Rage XL video and Promise > > PDC2037x S/ATA RAID. Plus optionally LSI 53C1030 U320 SCSI. > > > > Is there any point considering building a machine around this board? > > Tell you what, build one and send it to me.. I'd be glad to.. errr ``test'' > it :-) I've offered you access to such a system in the AMD Developer Center before. :-)