From owner-freebsd-binup Sun Mar 9 4:48:21 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-binup@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B285F37B401 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 04:48:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from bela.bezeqint.net (bela.bezeqint.net [192.115.106.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F43B43F3F for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 04:48:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michael@zend.com) Received: from mr2.bezeqint.net (pip-17.bezeqint.net [192.115.106.17]) by bela.bezeqint.net (Bezeq International SMTP out Mail Server) with ESMTP id A2CE033FD8 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 14:48:33 +0200 (IST) Received: from mail.zend.com (bzq-117-235-230.cust.bezeqint.net [192.117.235.230]) by mr2.bezeqint.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.2.2-GA) with SMTP id ATX18903; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 14:47:53 +0200 (IST) Received: (qmail 14471 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2003 12:47:50 -0000 Received: from gibraltar.zend.office (10.1.2.137) by bzq-117-235-230.cust.bezeqint.net with SMTP; 9 Mar 2003 12:47:50 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Michael Spector Organization: Zend Technologies LTD To: freebsd-binup@freebsd.org Subject: Re: binup project Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 14:48:55 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200303061459.00436.michael@zend.com> <20030307011551.GB389@nitro.dk> In-Reply-To: <20030307011551.GB389@nitro.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200303091448.55141.michael@zend.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-binup@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Friday 07 March 2003 03:15, you wrote: > On 2003.03.06 14:59:00 +0200, Michael Spector wrote: > > Can anybody say me what is the status of this project? > > I don't think anybody are actively working on the project at the moment= =2E > A few months ago I started a development document but I have not gotten > much further since I stranded on how to deal with a few issues (mainly > handling of version numbers and patches). > > > Is this possible to participate? > > Certainly - anything to get things going would be very helpful. > > I think the current code should be replaced with something based on > HTTP, but I don't know what other people on the lists things about that= =2E > What do you think about this scheme: Server side: -------------- Webserver (Apache), database (MySQL). Server can be written in PHP (easy to implement interraction with DB, more secure, easy to maintain, use of HTTP(S) protocol) Client side: -------------- Whatever (C program) Interraction scheme: ---------------------- Client =09=09=09 Server = DB ------- =09=09=09-------- = ----- 1) --> GET list?rel=3D4.7p3&... =09----------------->=09 = (request the list of p= ackages for release 4.7p3) = ---> SELECT FROM ... ----> = <--- (result) <-------------- <--- list.txt (in some format) <----------------- 2) (calculations: create list of needed updates) 3) foreach $update { =20 -----------> GET package -------------------> = =2E.... <--------- package retreival ------------------ } Server can hold cache of most requested files. If file doesn't exist on t= he server it can return redirection to another server. This is my suggestion (without going into details). If you find this temp= ting, I would like to help with developement. --=20 ---------------------------------------- With best regards, Michael Spector Tel: 972-(0)54840565 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-binup" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-binup Sun Mar 9 5:19:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-binup@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B1E37B401 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 05:19:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from arthur.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A3543FAF for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 05:19:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@arthur.nitro.dk) Received: by arthur.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1F30310BF84; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 14:19:21 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 14:19:21 +0100 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Colin Percival Cc: freebsd-binup@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: binup project Message-ID: <20030309131919.GF379@nitro.dk> References: <5.0.2.1.1.20030307134749.01d80ba8@popserver.sfu.ca> <200303061459.00436.michael@zend.com> <200303061459.00436.michael@zend.com> <5.0.2.1.1.20030307134749.01d80ba8@popserver.sfu.ca> <5.0.2.1.1.20030308222612.033d0e90@popserver.sfu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20030308222612.033d0e90@popserver.sfu.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-binup@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2003.03.08 22:34:37 +0000, Colin Percival wrote: > My code cryptographically signs the updates; they can then be=20 > distributed by whatever means is convenient (http, ftp, shortwave radio= =20 > broadcast...) although since the client code uses fetch(1) that imposes= =20 > some restrictions. Doing things this way, in addition to eliminating=20 > spoofing attacks, also makes it possible for the severely paranoid to=20 > perform all secure operations on a system which is physically disconnecte= d=20 > from the Internet (and copy the update files to a webserver via sneakerne= t). Ok, looking forward to seeing your next version. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+az9X8kocFXgPTRwRAmlDAKCVQY8ywdGF/xhNpgDPim7P0txG4ACfWd+o tMmL8UR7CdyawAP2+bLnGhk= =ekkU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-binup" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-binup Sun Mar 9 6: 0:23 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-binup@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5366B37B401 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 06:00:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from arthur.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A01BA43F85 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 06:00:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@arthur.nitro.dk) Received: by arthur.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id F264110BF84; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:00:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:00:19 +0100 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Michael Spector Cc: freebsd-binup@freebsd.org Subject: Re: binup project Message-ID: <20030309135924.GG379@nitro.dk> References: <200303061459.00436.michael@zend.com> <20030307011551.GB389@nitro.dk> <200303091448.55141.michael@zend.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="aT9PWwzfKXlsBJM1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200303091448.55141.michael@zend.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-binup@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --aT9PWwzfKXlsBJM1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2003.03.09 14:48:55 +0200, Michael Spector wrote: > This is my suggestion (without going into details). If you find this > tempting, I would like to help with developement. This is basically what I had thought of (and outlined in my binup document). I prefer postgresql but that mainly a matter of taste :). The more complicated part is (as I see it) handling updates between major/minor versions (4.7 -> 4.8) and external packages... That could of course be handled by not supporting it initially. I think the binup transport code (that find/fetched) the updates should rather independent of the packages/patches being transported to allow support for FreeBSD packages (.tgz), libh, Colin Percival's patches and so on. I think the first thing to do make a more complete description of the client/server "protocol" since different persons then can start seperatly on the client and the server. If you are interested in looking at the server part I would be happy to look at the client. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --aT9PWwzfKXlsBJM1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+a0jy8kocFXgPTRwRAkPQAKCsI2qbaI+udwF7Yxa05vD6H7WGzACdG4JT RjOunJJbowvHqJuFa3aDvJk= =biLM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --aT9PWwzfKXlsBJM1-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-binup" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-binup Sun Mar 9 6: 9:16 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-binup@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568D137B401 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 06:09:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C4443FAF for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 06:09:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk) Received: from piii600.wadham.ox.ac.uk ([81.103.196.4]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20030309133543.IMIG20049.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@piii600.wadham.ox.ac.uk>; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 13:35:43 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20030309133107.01c3d4e0@popserver.sfu.ca> X-Sender: cperciva@popserver.sfu.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 13:35:41 +0000 To: "Simon L. Nielsen" From: Colin Percival Subject: Re: binup project Cc: freebsd-binup@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20030309131919.GF379@nitro.dk> References: <5.0.2.1.1.20030308222612.033d0e90@popserver.sfu.ca> <5.0.2.1.1.20030307134749.01d80ba8@popserver.sfu.ca> <200303061459.00436.michael@zend.com> <200303061459.00436.michael@zend.com> <5.0.2.1.1.20030307134749.01d80ba8@popserver.sfu.ca> <5.0.2.1.1.20030308222612.033d0e90@popserver.sfu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-binup@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 14:19 09/03/2003 +0100, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: >Ok, looking forward to seeing your next version. For FreeBSD 4.7, the server and client code can be found at http://www.sfu.ca/~cperciva/freebsd/freebsd-update-client-1_1.tgz http://www.sfu.ca/~cperciva/freebsd/freebsd-update-server-1_1.tgz with the following hashes: MD5 (freebsd-update-client-1_1.tgz) = 4a95239791de00a358b40411b227d5c3 MD5 (freebsd-update-server-1_1.tgz) = 249e1d7d55f98824afc344186fa86f30 I haven't been able to test this code on 5.0, (can't chroot from a 4.x kernel into a 5.x world), and I just found a few hours ago that it doesn't work on 4.6 due to SUBDIR_OVERRIDE not existing (but I'll be fixing that in a moment). 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