From owner-freebsd-bugbusters Wed Feb 19 8:58:35 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2ABC37B401 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:58:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from atnsmtp91.24on.cc (ATNSMTP91.24on.cc [213.225.2.184]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591DF43F85 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:58:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tilman@arved.de) Received: from 21322530218.direct.eti.at ([213.225.30.218]) by atnsmtp91.24on.cc with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Wed, 19 Feb 2003 18:02:15 +0100 Received: from sauna.arved.de (sauna.arved.de [192.168.2.4]) by 21322530218.direct.eti.at (8.12.7/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1JGxjQb050625 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:59:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from tilman@arved.de) Received: from sauna.arved.de (sauna.arved.de [127.0.0.1]) by sauna.arved.de (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h1JGwM5w041166 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:58:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from tilman@arved.de) Received: (from tilman@localhost) by sauna.arved.de (8.12.7/8.12.7/Submit) id h1JGwMr7041165; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:58:22 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: sauna.arved.de: tilman set sender to tilman@arved.de using -f Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:58:09 +0100 From: Tilman Linneweh To: bugbusters@FreeBSD.org Subject: PRs assigned to people without freefall account. Message-Id: <20030219175809.60befbe1.arved@FreeBSD.org> Organization: FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.10 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="=.5AmETU.SgFSuGe" Sender: owner-freebsd-bugbusters@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --=.5AmETU.SgFSuGe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi bugbusters, I am wondering if there is a policy about assigning PRs to people without freefall accounts. There are some in the PR Database most sent by MA, Dunzi, who prefills the Responsible: field with the port Maintainer. For example: ports/48392 ports/48387 ports/48330 But I have also seen some committers assign PRs to the port Maintainers, e.g ports/48363. IMHO all PRs should be assigned to people who are able to close the PRs. What do you think? Should an explaining paragraph be added to the PR handling guidelines? regards tilman --=.5AmETU.SgFSuGe Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+U7etfCLDn4B6xToRAhPEAJ91/LMOAT/Ai/F9eJLfMaQcHNrl7ACeJg1F 9Uv2pfi2lisUEIC8PK7De3o= =wgLF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=.5AmETU.SgFSuGe-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-bugbusters" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-bugbusters Wed Feb 19 14:24:32 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7F937B401; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:24:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3517A43F3F; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:24:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-b201.otenet.gr [212.205.244.209]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1JMOQFw001926; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 00:24:27 +0200 (EET) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h1JMOP0R006205; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 00:24:25 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.7/8.12.7/Submit) id h1JMOP17006204; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 00:24:25 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 00:24:25 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Tilman Linneweh Cc: bugbusters@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: PRs assigned to people without freefall account. Message-ID: <20030219222425.GB615@gothmog.gr> References: <20030219175809.60befbe1.arved@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030219175809.60befbe1.arved@FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-bugbusters@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2003-02-19 17:58, Tilman Linneweh wrote: > Hi bugbusters, > > I am wondering if there is a policy about assigning PRs to people > without freefall accounts. > > There are some in the PR Database most sent by MA, Dunzi > , who prefills the Responsible: field with > the port Maintainer. There is only one non-ports PR that has a reesponsible field with a non freebsd.org address, and this has been closed a rather long while ago. Now, only ports-PRs are in gnats with this sort of reponsible: > For example: > ports/48392 > ports/48387 > ports/48330 I think that this is probably OK for ports stuff, since the maintainer is probably the first person who should take care of problems with the specific ports. But what happens if the maintainer has lost that email address, or cannot work on the ports anymore? Prefilling the responsible field is certainly *not* okay for the rest of the categories, since this way committers might never have a chance of looking at the PR in question and noticing that there is a problem. > But I have also seen some committers assign PRs to the port > Maintainers, e.g ports/48363. This is fine imho, as long as the maintainer has expressed a wish to resolve all the possible problems of the port; this *is* what maintainership is all about, after all, right? The only really important reservation that I have against this is: how will the maintainer of a port that is not committer find someone to really do the commit and close the PR for him? I'm not a ports committer, so perhaps the freebsd-ports people can help here? > IMHO all PRs should be assigned to people who are able to close the PRs. Seems reasonable too. > What do you think? Should an explaining paragraph be added to the PR > handling guidelines? What do the ports committers prefer? a) Letting the responsible field contain non-committer emails? b) Only allowing FreeBSD.org addresses. - - Giorgos -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+VAQZ1g+UGjGGA7YRAlxSAJ0Y5DaweNkALDjpwgab7xCX/RiraQCgkwWw PcJqYkB4KGOtZfjnLqq1upA= =R5eZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-bugbusters" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-bugbusters Wed Feb 19 14:55:23 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD00237B407 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:55:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from analog.databits.net (analog.databits.net [198.78.65.155]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5857743F93 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:55:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from petef@analog.databits.net) Received: (qmail 90228 invoked by uid 1000); 19 Feb 2003 22:54:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:54:26 -0600 From: Pete Fritchman To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: Tilman Linneweh , bugbusters@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: PRs assigned to people without freefall account. Message-ID: <20030219225426.GA73988@absolutbsd.org> References: <20030219175809.60befbe1.arved@FreeBSD.org> <20030219222425.GB615@gothmog.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030219222425.GB615@gothmog.gr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-bugbusters@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ++ 20/02/03 00:24 +0200 - Giorgos Keramidas: [...] | What do the ports committers prefer? | | a) Letting the responsible field contain non-committer emails? | b) Only allowing FreeBSD.org addresses. I think b) is the sane way to do it. It's pretty much taken for granted that if a PR affects port , then the maintainer of that port is responsible. If I take a PR about a port I don't maintain, it's understood that I'm going to coordinate my fixes with the maintainer (or just proxy their fix, or approve the third-party fix with them). I think we should only allow freefall logins to own a PR. If someone else owns a PR, they can't _really_ fix it. They can submit a patch, but they can't be responsible for committing it & closing the bug and/or following up with the reporter of the bug. --pete To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-bugbusters" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-bugbusters Wed Feb 19 14:59:22 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E477737B401; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:59:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc1-cdif2-5-cust240.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.101.150.240]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF8943F93; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:59:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ldBP-0008Wq-00; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 22:59:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 22:59:19 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Pete Fritchman Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , Tilman Linneweh , bugbusters@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: PRs assigned to people without freefall account. Message-ID: <20030219225919.GB32379@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Pete Fritchman , Giorgos Keramidas , Tilman Linneweh , bugbusters@FreeBSD.org References: <20030219175809.60befbe1.arved@FreeBSD.org> <20030219222425.GB615@gothmog.gr> <20030219225426.GA73988@absolutbsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030219225426.GA73988@absolutbsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-bugbusters@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 04:54:26PM -0600, Pete Fritchman wrote: > I think we should only allow freefall logins to own a PR. If someone > else owns a PR, they can't _really_ fix it. They can submit a patch, > but they can't be responsible for committing it & closing the bug and/or > following up with the reporter of the bug. Yes. Eventually someone with a commit bit needs to take the responsibility for issuing the "cvs ci". Also, I'm wondering how I'd feel about getting the "PRs assigned to you" mails when I was in no position to do anything about it. Ceri -- User: DO YOU ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR? Iniaes: Sure, I can accept all forms of payment. -- www.chatterboxchallenge.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-bugbusters" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-bugbusters Wed Feb 19 15: 3: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08DB37B401 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:03:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from analog.databits.net (analog.databits.net [198.78.65.155]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B1CA43F75 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:03:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from petef@analog.databits.net) Received: (qmail 2731 invoked by uid 1000); 19 Feb 2003 23:02:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:02:09 -0600 From: Pete Fritchman To: Ceri Davies , Giorgos Keramidas , Tilman Linneweh , bugbusters@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: PRs assigned to people without freefall account. Message-ID: <20030219230209.GB73988@absolutbsd.org> References: <20030219175809.60befbe1.arved@FreeBSD.org> <20030219222425.GB615@gothmog.gr> <20030219225426.GA73988@absolutbsd.org> <20030219225919.GB32379@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030219225919.GB32379@submonkey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-bugbusters@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ++ 19/02/03 22:59 +0000 - Ceri Davies: | On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 04:54:26PM -0600, Pete Fritchman wrote: | | > I think we should only allow freefall logins to own a PR. If someone | > else owns a PR, they can't _really_ fix it. They can submit a patch, | > but they can't be responsible for committing it & closing the bug and/or | > following up with the reporter of the bug. | | Yes. Eventually someone with a commit bit needs to take the responsibility | for issuing the "cvs ci". | | Also, I'm wondering how I'd feel about getting the "PRs assigned to you" | mails when I was in no position to do anything about it. Exactly. I think the problem with ports bugs right now isn't "we can't find the maintainer (or someone with clue) to fix this...". It's more "somebody has done a fix. we need someone to commit it and close this bug report." --pete To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-bugbusters" in the body of the message