From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 7 08:44:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A7937B401 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 08:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carebears.mine.nu (ti400720a080-1382.bb.online.no [80.212.165.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF6543F75 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 08:44:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chgu@carebears.mine.nu) Received: from carebears.mine.nu (localhost.carebears.net [127.0.0.1]) by carebears.mine.nu (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F2A8A109D for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:43:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 134.47.109.185 (SquirrelMail authenticated user chgu) by carebears.mine.nu with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:43:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <51070.134.47.109.185.1057592615.squirrel@carebears.mine.nu> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:43:35 +0200 (CEST) From: chgu@carebears.mine.nu To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Subject: [Fwd: Re: RMS says: "Use BSD, for goodness sake!"] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:44:26 -0000 ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: RMS says: "Use BSD, for goodness sake!" From: chgu@carebears.mine.nu Date: Mon, July 7, 2003 5:32 pm To: "Jerry Hicks" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 07:51 AM, Paul Robinson wrote: > >> The big one is gcc. Remove that, and we're really rolling. The >> alternatives >> aren't very good though - TenDRA? I remember the troll a few weeks ago suggesting this, and maybe it's a plan. The impact would be massive though. > > Plan 9's compilers are the closest thing I've seen toward a compiler that could be used to bootstrap a BSD. I believe one would pay a hefty price in terms of optimization however. > > I actually got the assembler, compiler and linker working on Freebsd a while back. The Plan 9 compiler suite generates COFF output though and I needed to get a crt0 set up for it (which I never did). FreeBSD's IBCS image activator was able to load the images without a hitch. > >> All those makefiles with command line options to be passed to gcc... > > Bah, child's play :-) > Why dont strip FreeBSD down as much as possible and try to make ports of the software. Like sendmail. Why is sendmail in /usr/src ? i guess it would be better to have in in ports. the same with cvs. I guess there is much software in /usr/src that dont "need" to be there. My opinion is to keep FreeBSD`s /usr/src small. (god damn, my mailclient dont really under stand the "replay"-word. sorry, Jerry Hicks.)