From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 13 01:37:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B95737B401; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 01:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.des.no (37.80-203-228.nextgentel.com [80.203.228.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4367A43FA3; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 01:37:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 2602) id 6CFC095958; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:37:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:37:12 +0200 From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey Message-ID: <20030713083712.GA86012@des.no> References: <20030709125055.GA90046@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20030709193315.A494@citusc.usc.edu> <20030710123509.GA97000@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <3F0D6AAD.9030406@potentialtech.com> <20030710141516.GA97366@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <3F0DAFDA.2050708@potentialtech.com> <3F0E91FB.57B452A5@mindspring.com> <3F0EB5BB.1080203@potentialtech.com> <20030713053837.GC94666@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20030713053837.GC94666@wantadilla.lemis.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: Bill Moran cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where can I find FreeBSD-related SCO lawsuit updates? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 08:37:15 -0000 On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 03:08:37PM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > My current best guess is that they're hoping to get royalties from > Linux. I'm sure Linus Torvalds will be quite happy to turn over 10% of his license revenues to SCO :) DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 13 01:39:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3CA37B401 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 01:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A972543F93 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 01:39:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCF0C526BB; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:09:09 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:09:09 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Message-ID: <20030713083909.GN94666@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20030709125055.GA90046@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20030709193315.A494@citusc.usc.edu> <20030710123509.GA97000@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <3F0D6AAD.9030406@potentialtech.com> <20030710141516.GA97366@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <3F0DAFDA.2050708@potentialtech.com> <3F0E91FB.57B452A5@mindspring.com> <3F0EB5BB.1080203@potentialtech.com> <20030713053837.GC94666@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20030713083712.GA86012@des.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="JLiXfqD9/Kt1b+Pq" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030713083712.GA86012@des.no> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: Bill Moran cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where can I find FreeBSD-related SCO lawsuit updates? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 08:39:13 -0000 --JLiXfqD9/Kt1b+Pq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday, 13 July 2003 at 10:37:12 +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 03:08:37PM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> My current best guess is that they're hoping to get royalties from >> Linux. > > I'm sure Linus Torvalds will be quite happy to turn over 10% of his > license revenues to SCO :) I'm sure that hope and reality are two different things. I've never seen a better example than this nonsense. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --JLiXfqD9/Kt1b+Pq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD4DBQE/ERqtIubykFB6QiMRAm7lAJsHR5q5jpTenrzRhRgkP1Ru8aSesQCYwWsO gLWQ1Oy9u5SVQUKRjhWCZQ== =p3Iz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --JLiXfqD9/Kt1b+Pq-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 13 10:46:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D345637B401; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:46:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B934B43F93; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:46:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from underway@comcast.net) Received: from localhost.localdomain (12-230-74-101.client.attbi.com[12.230.74.101](untrusted sender)) by attbi.com (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <200307131746430150079mn1e>; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:46:43 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6DHn7DZ013555; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:49:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from underway@comcast.net) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h6DHn24e013554; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:49:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from underway@comcast.net) To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" References: <20030709125055.GA90046@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20030709193315.A494@citusc.usc.edu> <20030710123509.GA97000@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <3F0D6AAD.9030406@potentialtech.com> <20030710141516.GA97366@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <3F0DAFDA.2050708@potentialtech.com> <3F0E91FB.57B452A5@mindspring.com> <3F0EB5BB.1080203@potentialtech.com> <20030713053837.GC94666@wantadilla.lemis.com> From: underway@comcast.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:49:01 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20030713053837.GC94666@wantadilla.lemis.com> (Greg Lehey's message of "Sun, 13 Jul 2003 15:08:37 +0930") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Where can I find FreeBSD-related SCO lawsuit updates? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:46:46 -0000 Greg 'groggy' Lehey writes: > My current best guess is that they're hoping to get royalties from > Linux. That's why they don't want to identify the code; they want it > to be in there. They've said a number of things that point to this > conclusion. See http://www.lemis.com/grog/SCO/sontag.html: > > "GPL has the same derivative rights concept [as UNIX]," according > to Sontag: "Once contributed, code cannot be removed." You're conclusion might be true, but I don't see how it follows from your quote there. He surely can't think that contributed code cannot be removed from other code and it's wrong to assume that reading when there is a more reasonable one available. He probably just meant that (legally) contributed (and GPL'd) Unix code cannot be "removed" from the use of the public under the perpetual license terms. (Even if the "as UNIX" editorial insertion is accurate, he'd just be saying that was true of the AT&T license too.) It seems that he was just acknowledging that legally GPL'd AT&T code could not be removed from public use by SCO, except that it wasn't (he claimed) legally GPL'd. Taken out of context, it hints at a worse problem which has received little discussion, but which SCO might be making an issue of. (I haven't been paying close enough attention to say.) Specifically, that while some piece of code (say, a Linux or FreeBSD kernel) no longer contains ANY code which comes from some bad source (eg, AT&T/SCO), it might still qualify as a derivative, when everyone knows that that's what it is in a laymen's understanding of "derivative". And copyright law gives the owner of the source rights in derivatives. So what are the chances that a court (or worried targets of a lawsuit) would agree that some code can be a derivative of some source without containing any remains of that source? I think that the example of books and movies is educational. I believe that one could violate the copyrights (not just trademarks) of, say Star Trek's owners, by filming a new "Space Track" movie with enough similarities to the real thing but without a bit of the actual real thing (sound, words, images, scene design, etc.). Courts tend to side with those who they think most responsible for the existance of the maybe-derivative, in our case, SCO (now owning the interests of AT&T). (But they might instead consider it overreaching for a horse long out of the barn.) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 13 14:29:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D9C37B401; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 14:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law14-f89.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.89]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE1B43F85; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 14:29:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from otterr77@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 14:29:32 -0700 Received: from 66.93.49.241 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:29:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.93.49.241] X-Originating-Email: [otterr77@hotmail.com] From: "Otterro Del Agua" To: questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:29:31 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2003 21:29:32.0763 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9A7B2B0:01C34985] Subject: FFL License terms X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:29:34 -0000 Good afternoon. I was hoping to find some information here, but have been unable to find it so far. I'm in the process of completing media for release and am looking at different licensing options. I'm familiar with BSD, GPL, and even Poul-Henning Kamp's "beer-ware license". I've found reference to FFL (and even FFLv2), in honor of Bill Fumerola. Where can I find the terms of this license? I need to make sure there are no issues with compliance with other/future releases. Is this something we can expect to see the any of the "top five" using in the future? -ott _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 13 17:23:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C1CB37B401 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E0543F93 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:23:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03622 for chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:23:18 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:23:18 -0600 (MDT) From: Brett Glass Message-Id: <200307140023.SAA03622@lariat.org> To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Interesting NetCraft survey X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 00:23:25 -0000 NetCraft apparently ran a survey to see which Web hosting companies had the best reliability -- and, for the month of June at least, the top 5 were all running FreeBSD. See http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2003/07/08/most_reliable_and_fastest_hosting_company_sites_during_june.html From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 13 22:13:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63BAF37B401 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from digger1.defence.gov.au (digger1.defence.gov.au [203.5.217.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A3C43F3F for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:13:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Alex.Wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au) Received: from dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au (dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.150]) by digger1.defence.gov.au with ESMTP id h6E5DQDb001413 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:43:26 +0930 (CST) Received: from muttley.dsto.defence.gov.au (unverified) by dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:43:08 +0930 Received: from ednex501.dsto.defence.gov.au (ednex501.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.81])h6E55g800284 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:35:43 +0930 (CST) Received: from squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au ([131.185.40.211]) by ednex501.dsto.defence.gov.au with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id MX7HC0VB; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:35:29 +0930 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:35:43 +0930 (CST) From: "Wilkinson,Alex" X-X-Sender: wilkinsa@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au To: chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030714143525.Y7655@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NIS+ Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alex.Wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 05:13:17 -0000 Hi all, Is it possible to find out all of the NIS+/NIS clients of a NIS+ server running in NIS compatibility mode ? -aW From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 13 22:55:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DD537B401 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C6D43F93 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:55:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.apsfilter.org) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6E5t9hR065766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 14 Jul 2003 07:55:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.apsfilter.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost)h6E5t8ap065765; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 07:55:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.apsfilter.org) Received: from titan.klemm.apsfilter.org (localhost.klemm.apsfilter.org [127.0.0.1]) by klemm.apsfilter.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6E5owTv020838; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 07:51:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas@titan.klemm.apsfilter.org) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by titan.klemm.apsfilter.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h6E5onPV020837; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 07:50:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 07:50:49 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: Paul Robinson Message-ID: <20030714055049.GA20757@titan.klemm.apsfilter.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030625214311.00e5e240@localhost> <20030626010357.J508@hub.org> <20030626110336.GW34365@iconoplex.co.uk> <20030626113553.GA53078@packet.org.uk> <20030626115133.GA57378@iconoplex.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030626115133.GA57378@iconoplex.co.uk> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.1-CURRENT X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: RMS says: "Use BSD, for goodness sake!" X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 05:55:17 -0000 On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 12:51:33PM +0100, Paul Robinson wrote: > On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 12:35:53PM +0100, Peter McGarvey wrote: > > > * Paul Robinson [2003-06-26 12:04:33 BST]: > > > awk - encourage people to port their code away from awk. Big. > > > > Does anyone actually USE awk? > > Yes. > > > Other than to filter columns that is. > > That's exactly what it's used for. I haven't seen anybody use awk for more > than a command line `awk '{print $4, $6}'` in years. I know one guy who uses > it for other stuff, and he's moving it all to perl anyway. If we were to > write a 'colprint' command that would do the same thing, most people would > not notice the difference if it went. Thats not true, I still use awk because its _there_, its not bloated and does for smaller things exactly what I want. Perl is nice, but why should I use something bloated, when a tool with a smaller memory footprint does the job well ? Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm - Powered by FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE Need a magic printfilter today ? -> http://www.apsfilter.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 14 01:30:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A4337B40F for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 01:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hannibal.servitor.co.uk (hannibal.servitor.co.uk [195.188.15.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8C243FA3 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 01:30:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@hannibal.servitor.co.uk) Received: from paul by hannibal.servitor.co.uk with local (Exim 4.14) id 19byjO-00076O-A1 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:30:46 +0100 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:30:46 +0100 From: Paul Robinson To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030714083046.GA8118@iconoplex.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: Paul Robinson Subject: Don't tell -advocacy, they might get ideas... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:30:33 -0000 As the friend who pointed it out to me said: "Now that's marketing". Perhaps somebody should consider offering FreeBSD on similar terms: http://milkyway.has.it/ Or then again, maybe not. :-) Make sure you scroll down for the "articles" - the "Salient Features of Linux" certainly cheered up my Monday morning. Trust me, it would take too long to argue against each of these points here on the list, so don't bother. Just read, nod wisely and feel smug you're not that stupid. :-) -- Paul Robinson From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 14 01:49:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19AA37B401 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 01:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgate.packet.org.uk (public2-with1-3-cust50.bagu.broadband.ntl.com [80.5.52.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CDB343F75 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 01:49:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fbsd-x@packet.org.uk) Received: from xaphod by mailgate.packet.org.uk with local (Exim 4.20) id 19bz1D-000Lyf-6Q; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:49:11 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:49:11 +0100 From: Peter McGarvey To: Paul Robinson Message-ID: <20030714084911.GA84458@packet.org.uk> References: <20030714083046.GA8118@iconoplex.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030714083046.GA8118@iconoplex.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Don't tell -advocacy, they might get ideas... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:49:18 -0000 * Paul Robinson [2003-07-14 09:32:12 BST]: > As the friend who pointed it out to me said: "Now that's marketing". Perhaps > somebody should consider offering FreeBSD on similar terms: > > http://milkyway.has.it/ > > Or then again, maybe not. :-) > > Make sure you scroll down for the "articles" - the "Salient Features of > Linux" certainly cheered up my Monday morning. Trust me, it would take too > long to argue against each of these points here on the list, so don't > bother. Just read, nod wisely and feel smug you're not that stupid. :-) Well, personally I'm still trying to figure out what planet this guy is on. Once I've worked this out I'll then be in a position to to comment on the cluenessless quotient.... -- TTFN, FNORD Peter McGarvey Freelance FreeBSD Hacker (will work for bandwidth) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 14 04:25:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4F537B401 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 04:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axl.seasidesoftware.co.za (axl.seasidesoftware.co.za [196.31.7.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FC743F3F for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 04:25:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@starjuice.net) Received: from sheldonh by axl.seasidesoftware.co.za with local (Exim 4.20) id 19c1SH-0006X0-3x for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:25:17 +0200 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:25:17 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20030714112517.GD24168@starjuice.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Sheldon Hearn Subject: Vendor service in Toronto X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:25:24 -0000 Hi folks, I'm looking to buy some heavy metal for deployment in Toronto, and need to know whether any of y'all have recommendations on which vendors give good or bad service in Toronto. Compaq's finally out the window as a purchasing option for us, and I'm currently thinking either Dell or IBM. Ciao, Sheldon. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 14 04:40:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119D837B401 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 04:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.des.no (37.80-203-228.nextgentel.com [80.203.228.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A11243FB1 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 04:40:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 4B28A959F7; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:40:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dwp.des.no (dwp.des.no [10.0.0.4]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 11344959A5 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:40:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id E229CB822; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:40:32 +0200 (CEST) To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org References: <20030714112517.GD24168@starjuice.net> From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:40:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20030714112517.GD24168@starjuice.net> (Sheldon Hearn's message of "Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:25:17 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=8.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_GNUS_UA version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Subject: Re: Vendor service in Toronto X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:40:37 -0000 Sheldon Hearn writes: > Compaq's finally out the window as a purchasing option for us, and I'm > currently thinking either Dell or IBM. Neither Dell nor IBM are good choices unless you're prepared to pay muchos di=F1eros for a service contract - and in some cases s/unless/even if/ (I remember IBM spending two weeks and bob knows how much money trying to fix a DOA Netfinity 5600 instead of just replacing it like we asked them to; they even flew in a tech circus rep from Scotland who ended up replacing just about everything except the case and the PSUs). If you have to choose between those to, go with Dell as their stuff is generally cheaper and less f***ed-up than IBM's. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 14 06:47:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 440D237B401 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 06:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mindfields.energyhq.es.eu.org (73.Red-213-97-200.pooles.rima-tde.net [213.97.200.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7184043FA3 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 06:47:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org) Received: from scienide.energyhq.es.eu.org (scienide.energyhq.es.eu.org [192.168.100.1]) by mindfields.energyhq.es.eu.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D51322B607; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:46:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:46:52 +0200 From: Miguel Mendez To: Alexander Kabaev Message-Id: <20030714154652.4d991915.flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org> In-Reply-To: <20030702123855.0a3534f5.ak03@gte.com> References: <000b01c3408e$b9fd1310$2401a8c0@xoanan> <3F0306FE.37E35D77@mindspring.com> <20030702123855.0a3534f5.ak03@gte.com> Organization: Energy HQ X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.3 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="=.:E_3S)bV?eTA8m" cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Support for XFS in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:47:09 -0000 --=.:E_3S)bV?eTA8m Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alexander Kabaev wrote : Hi, > Well, that is a bit unfair. We haven't _released_ anything, but > mkfs.xfs port was something we did first, along with the rest of > xfsprogs suite. The XFS module was compiling and linking and even was > able to mount XFS filesystem all the way with initial (clean) journal > check, root inode retrieval, etc. Unfortunately the lack of available > time resulted in this project slipping through cracks. There seems to > be a new interest in getting it off the ground though. Sorry for jumping so late into this thread. After having some not fun experiences with the NVIDIA drivers, my desire to have an fsck-less FS is back. Is that code publicly avaiable via cvs or any other mean? Any web page with info of the status? Cheers, -- Miguel Mendez - flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org EnergyHQ :: http://www.energyhq.tk Tired of Spam? -> http://www.trustic.com --=.:E_3S)bV?eTA8m Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/ErRQnLctrNyFFPERAgoIAJwOsXMFih2rM10UeroB+L6/3reRNwCdFu9L MhHsGJCpQvucAsDG6coaYy4= =yokF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=.:E_3S)bV?eTA8m-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 14 06:50:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95CE537B401 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 06:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515C443F3F for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 06:50:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7612C3D28; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:50:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: Sheldon Hearn Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:50:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3F127CED.22313.291A6B4A@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20030714112517.GD24168@starjuice.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Vendor service in Toronto X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:50:29 -0000 On 14 Jul 2003 at 13:25, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > I'm looking to buy some heavy metal for deployment in Toronto, and need > to know whether any of y'all have recommendations on which vendors give > good or bad service in Toronto. > > Compaq's finally out the window as a purchasing option for us, and I'm > currently thinking either Dell or IBM. FWIW, http://www.freebsdsystems.com/ is in Toronto. I've never seen or used their gear, or heard any feedback. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 14 07:32:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C314937B401 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 07:32:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.des.no (37.80-203-228.nextgentel.com [80.203.228.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1BEF43F3F for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 07:32:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 19458959F7; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:32:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dwp.des.no (dwp.des.no [10.0.0.4]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id D2A1F959A5; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:31:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id B3539B822; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:31:58 +0200 (CEST) To: "Dan Langille" References: <3F127CED.22313.291A6B4A@localhost> From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:31:58 +0200 In-Reply-To: <3F127CED.22313.291A6B4A@localhost> (Dan Langille's message of "Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:50:37 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=8.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_GNUS_UA version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: Sheldon Hearn cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Vendor service in Toronto X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:32:03 -0000 "Dan Langille" writes: > FWIW, http://www.freebsdsystems.com/ is in Toronto. I've never seen=20 > or used their gear, or heard any feedback. I believe they donated some hardware to sos@ recently - that makes them good guys in my book... DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 14 08:06:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 588FE37B401 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6FE043FBD for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:06:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19c4u8-000PrJ-EI; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:06:16 +0100 Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) h6EF6FCl026528; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:06:16 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h6EF6FjW026527; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:06:15 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:06:15 +0100 From: Jonathon McKitrick To: Bill Moran Message-ID: <20030714150615.GB25725@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20030709125055.GA90046@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20030709193315.A494@citusc.usc.edu> <20030710123509.GA97000@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <3F0D6AAD.9030406@potentialtech.com> <20030710141516.GA97366@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <3F0DAFDA.2050708@potentialtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3F0DAFDA.2050708@potentialtech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19c4u8-000PrJ-EI*y/6aA5A//n.* cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where can I find FreeBSD-related SCO lawsuit updates? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:06:41 -0000 On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 02:26:34PM -0400, Bill Moran wrote: : I think that if SCO _wins_ the lawsuit, it will help the free software : cause, I hope so. I'm just glad we are still getting a lot of committers these days, the ports tree is growing, and we get good publicity like the recent 5.x reviews and the Netcraft survey. I'm looking forward to 5.x becoming stable so I can try it out. jcm -- If you cannot do something well, learn to enjoy doing it poorly. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 14 09:26:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C3437B401 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web13405.mail.yahoo.com (web13405.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B60FD43FA3 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:26:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from h2g2_jimmiejaz@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030714162619.49747.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.154.0.151] by web13405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:26:19 PDT Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:26:19 -0700 (PDT) From: jimmie james To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Vendor service in Toronto X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:26:20 -0000 >I'm looking to buy some heavy metal for deployment in ?Toronto, and need >to know whether any of y'all have recommendations on >which vendors give >good or bad service in Toronto. http://www.gtabug.ca/ might be of some interest to you. Toronto BSD users group. Someone may be able to recommend shops. jimmie james __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 14 09:43:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC7837B401 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C3D43FD7 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:43:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19c6DZ-00008O-00; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:30:25 -0700 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:30:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: Jonathon McKitrick In-Reply-To: <20030714150615.GB25725@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where can I find FreeBSD-related SCO lawsuit updates? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:43:50 -0000 > I'm looking forward to 5.x becoming stable so I can try it out. What parts of 5.x are unstable for you? (Or what have you heard is unstable that effects you?) Jeremy C. Reed http://bsd.reedmedia.net/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 14 10:46:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5E5A37B401 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta07ps.bigpond.com (mta07ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.132]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFE743F93 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:46:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ncb@pobox.com) Received: from gonzales.pobox.com ([144.135.25.81]) by mta07ps.email.bigpond.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with SMTP id <0HI100LJT00LQP@mta07ps.email.bigpond.com> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:45:57 +1000 (EST) Received: from cpe-203-45-115-132.nsw.bigpond.net.au ([203.45.115.132]) by psmam05bpa.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.2g 107/15760810); Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:45:57 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:54:43 +1000 From: Nicholas Brawn In-reply-to: X-Sender: nbra1174@pop-server.bigpond.net.au To: "Jeremy C. Reed" , Jonathon McKitrick Message-id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030715035401.00b87e78@pop-server.bigpond.net.au> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20030714150615.GB25725@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where can I find FreeBSD-related SCO lawsuit updates? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:46:01 -0000 He might be referring to the 5.x release documentation that states that you should stick with 4.8-STABLE for the time being due to the -CURRENT nature of 5.x At 02:30 AM 7/15/2003, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > > I'm looking forward to 5.x becoming stable so I can try it out. > >What parts of 5.x are unstable for you? > >(Or what have you heard is unstable that effects you?) > > Jeremy C. Reed > http://bsd.reedmedia.net/ > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 14 11:33:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3E137B401 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731F743F3F for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:33:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19c88V-0006UU-0g; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:33:19 +0100 Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) h6EIXICl027419; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:33:18 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h6EIXHXw027418; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:33:17 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:33:17 +0100 From: Jonathon McKitrick To: Nicholas Brawn Message-ID: <20030714183317.GA27204@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20030714150615.GB25725@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <5.2.0.9.0.20030715035401.00b87e78@pop-server.bigpond.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030715035401.00b87e78@pop-server.bigpond.net.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19c88V-0006UU-0g*vWjfGeaa9o6* cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where can I find FreeBSD-related SCO lawsuit updates? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:33:22 -0000 On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 03:54:43AM +1000, Nicholas Brawn wrote: : He might be referring to the 5.x release documentation that states that you : should stick with 4.8-STABLE for the time being due to the -CURRENT nature : of 5.x Exactly. jm -- My other computer is your Windows box. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 23:05:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4027B37B401 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 23:05:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seven.Alameda.net (seven.alameda.net [64.81.53.71]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB6AF43FA3 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 23:04:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ulf@Alameda.net) Received: by seven.Alameda.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 512593A201; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 23:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 23:04:59 -0700 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20030718230459.G863@seven.alameda.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE Subject: Help wanted: Building a motherboard database X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 06:05:00 -0000 I am working on a little database which will allow me to search for motherboards having specific requirements. One of the requirements is the IO layout in the back. I have so far made the following layouts: http://seven.alameda.net/~ulf/atx-io/ATX-IO-shields_files/ATX-IO-shields_gif_1.htm This work so far is based on looking at all Supermicro boards and the ATX specs on formfactor.org. I just started looking at other manufactors, like MSI, but they have all their handbooks zip'ed, so downloading them all, executing them, finding the page, is going to take time. What I am looking for is any io layout you have seen and is not shown yet. An example for this would be: Keyboard, Mouse stacked USBx2, LAN stacked Serial, VGA, Paralell stacked 3x Audio, Gameport stacked. This would describe the top left layout in the above URL. I have also put up a stencil for Visio which was used to make the above URL. The stencil can be found at: http://seven.alameda.net/~ulf/atx-io/ATX-IO.vss -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 You can find my resume at: http://seven.Alameda.net/~ulf/resume.html