From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 05:03:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A69916A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 05:03:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from smut.codersluts.net (smut.codersluts.net [69.56.159.109]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDD643D5A for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 05:03:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sektor@coders.net) Received: from [192.168.8.16] (nat-66-223-56.interland.net [66.223.56.124] (may be forged))hBLE8U80010912; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 08:08:30 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from sektor@coders.net) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <06214A1C-33B6-11D8-811B-000393D46EC6@coders.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Randi Harper Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 08:03:08 -0500 To: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spam educates X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:03:17 -0000 On Dec 20, 2003, at 9:03 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > It's amazing, but if you get enough spam you can actually learn > things from it. > > I didn't realize that in Italian "piacere" is conjugated with > "essere", until I saw it in a spam subject. (I don't really know > Italian and approach it from French.) > > One spam finally spelled out what that mysterious term "MILF" means, > although it turns out to be rather crude. > > Lately, I've realized that "Paris Hilton" apparently is a person > and not a hotel, which makes some of those spam subjects much more > sensible. > > Maybe I should arrange for the proper display of Asian scripts? A > fountain of knowledge awaits! > > -- > Christian "naddy" Weisgerber > naddy@mips.inka.de > I learned that with the proper pills and/or gadgets, I can grow a huge penis that will make women everywhere want me. Apparently this is much in demand, since 95% of my spam has something to do with the male genitals. 2% has to do with anti-spam services, and the remaining 3% is people wanting to send me money. Hmmm. Randi Harper sektie@freebsdgirl.com http://freebsdgirl.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 05:40:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9BC416A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 05:40:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from hannibal.servitor.co.uk (hannibal.servitor.co.uk [195.188.15.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B8043D4C for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 05:40:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@iconoplex.co.uk) Received: from hannibal.servitor.co.uk ([195.188.15.48] helo=iconoplex.co.uk) by hannibal.servitor.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AY3ol-000MNZ-6v; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:40:24 +0000 Message-ID: <3FE5A2BD.9020802@iconoplex.co.uk> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:40:13 +0000 From: Paul Robinson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randi Harper References: <06214A1C-33B6-11D8-811B-000393D46EC6@coders.net> In-Reply-To: <06214A1C-33B6-11D8-811B-000393D46EC6@coders.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Christian Weisgerber cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spam educates X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:40:23 -0000 Randi Harper wrote: > I learned that with the proper pills and/or gadgets, I can grow a huge > penis that will make women everywhere want me. I don't know if the following slang reference translates across to wherever you are, but with a name like Randi, I'm not suprised they send you mails like that. :-) > Apparently this is much in demand, since 95% of my spam has something > to do with the male genitals. 2% has to do with anti-spam services, > and the remaining 3% is people wanting to send me money. Now, that 2% offering anti-spam services just crack me up. They should get a prize or something for just baiting stupid people. Who the hell walks upto their mailbox, proclaims "Oh no! More spam! Oh, actually it's a mail offering me anti-spam services! Just what I need!" and then clicks the links and give these people money for spyware... The 3% wanting you to believe they are going to send you money (or rather, trust you to help them move money out of somewhere) are also good for a luagh. I know a guy who is effectively bankrupt and has served time in prison who gets e-mails he enjoys because they inform him he has been "chosen as a trusted individual" who can help move $25 million out of a "People's Republic" somewhere... I once replied to one with a different addy saying "hey mate, I just broke into this guys' e-mail and he's a dork. His security is so poor the feds will catch you in no time - I'll do it for you instead if you want" and for some reason they never replied. :-) Well, at least the laws are starting to drop into place to slowly start putting the spammers behind bars... -- Paul Robinson From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 06:05:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432B816A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 06:05:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta11.adelphia.net (mta11.adelphia.net [68.168.78.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78FD843D3F for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 06:05:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from potentialtech.com ([68.68.113.33]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031221140523.QSKD1240.mta11.adelphia.net@potentialtech.com>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:05:23 -0500 Message-ID: <3FE5A8A2.8050500@potentialtech.com> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:05:22 -0500 From: Bill Moran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031005 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randi Harper References: <06214A1C-33B6-11D8-811B-000393D46EC6@coders.net> In-Reply-To: <06214A1C-33B6-11D8-811B-000393D46EC6@coders.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Christian Weisgerber cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spam educates X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:05:25 -0000 Randi Harper wrote: > On Dec 20, 2003, at 9:03 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > >> It's amazing, but if you get enough spam you can actually learn >> things from it. >> >> I didn't realize that in Italian "piacere" is conjugated with >> "essere", until I saw it in a spam subject. (I don't really know >> Italian and approach it from French.) >> >> One spam finally spelled out what that mysterious term "MILF" means, >> although it turns out to be rather crude. >> >> Lately, I've realized that "Paris Hilton" apparently is a person >> and not a hotel, which makes some of those spam subjects much more >> sensible. >> >> Maybe I should arrange for the proper display of Asian scripts? A >> fountain of knowledge awaits! >> >> -- >> Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de >> > > I learned that with the proper pills and/or gadgets, I can grow a huge > penis that will make women everywhere want me. > > Apparently this is much in demand, since 95% of my spam has something to > do with the male genitals. 2% has to do with anti-spam services, and the > remaining 3% is people wanting to send me money. > > Hmmm. Sure paints a lovely picture of the world, doesn't it? A slew of huge-penised men running around with all them women wanting them, some of them concerned about your privacy or giving away money. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 06:08:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C87416A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 06:08:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from www6.web2010.com (www6.web2010.com [216.157.5.254]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 380C343D49 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 06:08:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from MLandman@face2interface.com) Received: from delliver.face2interface.com (dialup-wash-129-203.thebiz.net [64.30.129.203] (may be forged)) by www6.web2010.com (8.12.10/8.9.0) with ESMTP id hBLE8EjD005876; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:08:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20031221090242.07fbbd78@pop.face2interface.com> X-Sender: face@pop.face2interface.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:08:19 -0500 To: Colin Percival , Bill Moran , Colin Percival From: Marty Landman In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20031220230641.02d15ec0@popserver.sfu.ca> References: <5.0.2.1.1.20031220224013.02cf25c0@popserver.sfu.ca> <5.0.2.1.1.20031220224013.02cf25c0@popserver.sfu.ca> <5.0.2.1.1.20031220230641.02d15ec0@popserver.sfu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A bit of trivia: what does usr stand for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:08:38 -0000 At 06:08 PM 12/20/2003, Colin Percival wrote: >>The urban myth is believeable, though, since it seems silly to abbreviate >>"user" with "usr" ... I mean, you're only saving 1 letter. > > The same could be said about /tmp. I suspect it has less to do with >abbreviation, and more to do with someone having a broken "e" key on their >keyboard. ;) I like the broken 'e' key hypothesis, although given the first Unix developers were at Bell Labs I find it a little hard to believe; I worked at Bell Core once upon a time and faulty equipment like that was something I don't recall ever seeing. So I'll add a pet theory of my own [that just came to mind]. Being an old mainframe programmer I can attest to the fact that the last qualifier of a file name was conventionally made a 3 char filetype - e.g. asm, pli, obj, a convention still largely adhered to today. Maybe the original author of these main directories felt that using a 3 char name was in keeping with that convention. Marty Landman Face 2 Interface Inc 845-679-9387 Sign On Required: Web membership software for your site Make a Website: http://face2interface.com/Home/Demo.shtml From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 06:40:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4566F16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 06:40:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from smut.codersluts.net (smut.codersluts.net [69.56.159.109]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A413C43D53 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 06:40:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sektor@coders.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (adsl-215-173-195.aep.bellsouth.net [68.215.173.195] (may be forged))hBLFjs80011227; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:45:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from sektor@coders.net) In-Reply-To: <3FE5A2BD.9020802@iconoplex.co.uk> References: <06214A1C-33B6-11D8-811B-000393D46EC6@coders.net> <3FE5A2BD.9020802@iconoplex.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Randi Harper Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:40:30 -0500 To: Paul Robinson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spam educates X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:40:40 -0000 On Dec 21, 2003, at 8:40 AM, Paul Robinson wrote: > Randi Harper wrote: > >> I learned that with the proper pills and/or gadgets, I can grow a >> huge penis that will make women everywhere want me. > > I don't know if the following slang reference translates across to > wherever you are, but with a name like Randi, I'm not suprised they > send you mails like that. :-) > Die slowly and painfully, please. Randi Harper sektie@freebsdgirl.com http://freebsdgirl.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 06:44:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA97116A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 06:44:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA0E043D54 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 06:44:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Sun, 21 Dec 2003 08:47:23 -0600 Message-ID: <3FE5B18D.4020307@daleco.biz> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 08:43:25 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031124 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randi Harper References: <06214A1C-33B6-11D8-811B-000393D46EC6@coders.net> In-Reply-To: <06214A1C-33B6-11D8-811B-000393D46EC6@coders.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2003 14:47:23.0500 (UTC) FILETIME=[58001AC0:01C3C7D1] cc: Christian Weisgerber cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spam educates X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:44:16 -0000 Randi Harper wrote: > I learned that with the proper pills and/or gadgets, *I* can grow a > huge penis > that will make women everywhere want me. > Randi Harper > > sektie@freebsd*girl*.com > http://freebsd*girl*.com > This is a miraculous discovery, and one I hadn't even remotely guessed at by reading my spam. ROFL(M?O)! Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 07:03:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B008716A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 07:03:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B1743D5D for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 07:03:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:07:05 -0600 Message-ID: <3FE5B631.6000106@daleco.biz> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:03:13 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031124 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Robinson References: <06214A1C-33B6-11D8-811B-000393D46EC6@coders.net> <3FE5A2BD.9020802@iconoplex.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3FE5A2BD.9020802@iconoplex.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2003 15:07:05.0812 (UTC) FILETIME=[18B69940:01C3C7D4] cc: Christian Weisgerber cc: Randi Harper cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spam educates X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:03:58 -0000 Paul Robinson wrote: > > Well, at least the laws are starting to drop into place to slowly > start putting the spammers behind bars... > Hmm, I wonder. www.spamhaus.org claims that the new "CAN SPAM" Act is actually called the "YOU CAN SPAM" act by scum like R*lsky.... Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 08:26:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FBBB16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 08:26:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.bluecirclesoft.com (cpe-024-165-114-048.cinci.rr.com [24.165.114.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A15F43D48 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 08:26:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mrami@bluecirclesoft.com) Received: from www.bluecirclesoft.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) hBLGQV5l093539; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:26:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mrami@bluecirclesoft.com) Received: (from mrami@localhost) by www.bluecirclesoft.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8/Submit) id hBLGQUD3093538; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:26:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:26:30 -0500 From: Marc Ramirez To: Colin Percival Message-ID: <20031221162629.GA75959@www.bluecirclesoft.com> References: <5.0.2.1.1.20031220224013.02cf25c0@popserver.sfu.ca> <5.0.2.1.1.20031220224013.02cf25c0@popserver.sfu.ca> <5.0.2.1.1.20031220230641.02d15ec0@popserver.sfu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20031220230641.02d15ec0@popserver.sfu.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: chat@freebsd.org cc: Bill Moran Subject: Re: A bit of trivia: what does usr stand for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:26:33 -0000 --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 11:08:02PM +0000, Colin Percival wrote: > At 18:04 20/12/2003 -0500, Bill Moran wrote: > >Colin Percival wrote: > >> There's an urban myth floating around that it meant Unix System Resour= ce. > >>According to denizens of afc, this is likely a backronym, since the fir= st > >>use of /usr/ was to store user's files. > > > >The urban myth is believeable, though, since it seems silly to abbreviate > >"user" with "usr" ... I mean, you're only saving 1 letter. >=20 > The same could be said about /tmp. I suspect it has less to do with > abbreviation, and more to do with someone having a broken "e" key on their > keyboard. ;) I always thought "tmp" stood for "Temporarily Manipulated Philes." Marc. --=20 Marc Ramirez Blue Circle Software Corporation 513-688-1070 (main) 513-382-1270 (direct) http://www.bluecirclesoft.com http://www.mrami.com (personal) --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/5cmzg1EgpGw750IRAkvhAJ44L3F037hsXUeRh3YKG3j8ErPkkACgvYF3 5nLwE04kMd5ObcK0UWmu9eg= =8en2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 08:53:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C7C16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 08:53:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9EB0A43D5C for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 08:53:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from max@willystudios.com) Received: from unknown (HELO vekkio.willystudios.com) (willythemax@80.182.22.44 with login) by smtp002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2003 16:53:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:53:21 +0100 From: Massimiliano Stucchi To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20031221175321.577fcbcf.max@willystudios.com> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: WillyStudios.com, LTD X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="Signature=_Sun__21_Dec_2003_17_53_21_+0100_FQNJH+=z2h5zEtxP" Subject: Re: Spam educates X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:53:12 -0000 --Signature=_Sun__21_Dec_2003_17_53_21_+0100_FQNJH+=z2h5zEtxP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:03:16 +0000 (UTC) naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) wrote: > I didn't realize that in Italian "piacere" is conjugated with > "essere", until I saw it in a spam subject. (I don't really know > Italian and approach it from French.) Hmm, what do you mean by "conjugated" ? They're not that much similar, nor they have something in common... -- Stucchi Massimiliano | Gruppo Utenti FreeBSD Italia WillyStudios.com | http://www.gufi.org stucchi@willystudios.com | max@gufi.org "People who make no mistakes do not usually make anything" --Signature=_Sun__21_Dec_2003_17_53_21_+0100_FQNJH+=z2h5zEtxP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/5dABFwcpJfdZDoERAuA3AJ9Y8pqwmvTZ2m2hhAeGPvfnn8QVxACeMl2d s/ApoRcBJ3p6v6cxeE2yxW4= =BQtV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Sun__21_Dec_2003_17_53_21_+0100_FQNJH+=z2h5zEtxP-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 09:24:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 588AA16A556 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:24:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (ip30.gte215.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [209.20.215.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C5043D48 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:24:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (s1.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.201])hBLHOux6008819 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:24:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:24:56 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-X-Sender: jcw@s1.stradamotorsports.com To: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3FE50C2A.80009@potentialtech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=4.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Subject: Re: More trivia: origin of the wheel group X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:24:59 -0000 On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Bill Moran wrote: > Go on ... pull the other one! I may be starting to develop a reputation. I was joking around like this a few weeks back and some fellow went for it hook, line and sinker. DES snuffed me out. This one was just too far fetched though. I have to stay a little closer to reality next time to give my ruse more authority. :) Later, Jason From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 09:55:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5911016A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:55:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from hannibal.servitor.co.uk (hannibal.servitor.co.uk [195.188.15.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0540143D49 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:55:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@iconoplex.co.uk) Received: from hannibal.servitor.co.uk ([195.188.15.48] helo=iconoplex.co.uk) by hannibal.servitor.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AY7ng-000N7B-Fu; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:55:32 +0000 Message-ID: <3FE5DE87.4050200@iconoplex.co.uk> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:55:19 +0000 From: Paul Robinson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randi Harper References: <06214A1C-33B6-11D8-811B-000393D46EC6@coders.net> <3FE5A2BD.9020802@iconoplex.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spam educates X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:55:27 -0000 Randi Harper wrote: >> I don't know if the following slang reference translates across to >> wherever you are, but with a name like Randi, I'm not suprised they >> send you mails like that. :-) > > > Die slowly and painfully, please. Ah, you know I was only joking. But you probably get that joke all the time. So, sorry. If it makes you feel any better the spoonerism of you name suggests you'd be good at flatulating... no, no, that probably didn't help. It's an anagram of Nerd Rap Hair? No.... no.... I think I need to shut up.... -- Paul Robinson From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 10:00:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F209F16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 10:00:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (mail-in-02.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E76F43D45 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 10:00:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (dsl-213-023-057-086.arcor-ip.net [213.23.57.86]) by mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27569549FB3 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:00:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBLI025Y043898 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:00:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mailnull@kemoauc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hBLI02i7043897 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:00:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mailnull) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 18:00:01 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20031221175321.577fcbcf.max@willystudios.com> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spam educates X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 18:00:07 -0000 Massimiliano Stucchi wrote: > > I didn't realize that in Italian "piacere" is conjugated with > > "essere", until I saw it in a spam subject. > > Hmm, what do you mean by "conjugated" ? They're not that much similar, > nor they have something in common... Bad wording on my part. What I meant is that piacere takes essere as auxiliary. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 10:08:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A968116A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 10:08:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A999C43D5A for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 10:07:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from max@willystudios.com) Received: from unknown (HELO vekkio.willystudios.com) (willythemax@80.182.22.44 with login) by smtp004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2003 18:06:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:06:24 +0100 From: Massimiliano Stucchi To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20031221190624.2a4bcdc0.max@willystudios.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20031221175321.577fcbcf.max@willystudios.com> Organization: WillyStudios.com, LTD X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="Signature=_Sun__21_Dec_2003_19_06_24_+0100_UUmgKXkwu8KjxLH=" Subject: Re: Spam educates X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 18:08:18 -0000 --Signature=_Sun__21_Dec_2003_19_06_24_+0100_UUmgKXkwu8KjxLH= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 18:00:01 +0000 (UTC) naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) wrote: > Bad wording on my part. What I meant is that piacere takes essere > as auxiliary. Right. That's only with for past forms, though. "I like you" is "Tu mi piaci", wile "I liked you" is "Mi sei piaciuto", where "sei" means "you are"... Italian Grammar is known to be one of the most difficult in the world, coming from latin. Ciaociao ! -- Stucchi Massimiliano | Gruppo Utenti FreeBSD Italia WillyStudios.com | http://www.gufi.org stucchi@willystudios.com | max@gufi.org "People who make no mistakes do not usually make anything" --Signature=_Sun__21_Dec_2003_19_06_24_+0100_UUmgKXkwu8KjxLH= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/5eEgFwcpJfdZDoERAo4yAJ0WZ1VEKq4dp9gqRU0UxhuRE4bQkgCdEuX1 CwXQw1QhCPXXOMrNUgacyLM= =o1oJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Sun__21_Dec_2003_19_06_24_+0100_UUmgKXkwu8KjxLH=-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 10:20:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5566616A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 10:20:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (ip30.gte215.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [209.20.215.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7418D43D1F for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 10:20:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (s1.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.201])hBLIKOx6008945 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 10:20:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 10:20:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-X-Sender: jcw@s1.stradamotorsports.com To: chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=4.0 tests=USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Subject: Thanks IPFW2 Authors! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 18:20:28 -0000 I just started using IPFW2 and I really like it. Comments alone make my life significantly easier. Sets are very powerful and easy to use. Or-blocks have thinned out my rules without reduce the restrictiveness of my rules. I also see that there is a much richer set of characteristics that one may filter. This is great software. Thanks Luigi, Alex, Paul, Poul-Henning, Ugen, and Daniel. Later, Jason C. Wells From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 11:32:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126D816A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:32:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from shaft.techsupport.co.uk (shaft.techsupport.co.uk [212.250.77.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F9543D50 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:32:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com ([81.103.67.204] helo=shrike.submonkey.net ident=mailnull) by shaft.techsupport.co.uk with esmtp (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD) id 1AY9JW-000EPF-1N; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:32:30 +0000 Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD) id 1AY9JR-000Pmx-4H; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:32:25 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:32:25 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." Message-ID: <20031221193225.GG652@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , Paul Robinson , Christian Weisgerber , Randi Harper , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <06214A1C-33B6-11D8-811B-000393D46EC6@coders.net> <3FE5A2BD.9020802@iconoplex.co.uk> <3FE5B631.6000106@daleco.biz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HzaOE8X7KzPzAQEl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FE5B631.6000106@daleco.biz> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: Christian Weisgerber cc: Randi Harper cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spam educates X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:32:40 -0000 --HzaOE8X7KzPzAQEl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 09:03:13AM -0600, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wro= te: > Paul Robinson wrote: >=20 > >Well, at least the laws are starting to drop into place to slowly=20 > >start putting the spammers behind bars... >=20 > Hmm, I wonder. www.spamhaus.org claims that the new "CAN SPAM" > Act is actually called the "YOU CAN SPAM" act by scum like R*lsky.... Damn straight. Putting restrictions on what spammers cannot do could be seen to legitimise what they can do (especially by a defence lawyer). Ceri --=20 --HzaOE8X7KzPzAQEl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/5fVIocfcwTS3JF8RAh5xAKDE8E6XBCpFGf9/jw8J9NMr57uUnwCeJo9t oTtVWStMkRrJ5eb8glFfnkc= =M6aL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HzaOE8X7KzPzAQEl-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 11:40:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55D3616A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:40:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from lon-mail-2.gradwell.net (lon-mail-2.gradwell.net [193.111.201.126]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2187043D54 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:40:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aw1@stade.co.uk) Received: (qmail 53979 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2003 19:40:20 -0000 Received: from alsager-adsl.stade.co.uk (HELO access2.hanley.stade.co.uk) (81.6.222.119) by lon-mail-2.gradwell.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2003 19:40:20 -0000 Received: from titus.hanley.stade.co.uk (titus [192.168.1.5]) hBLJeG9Z082536 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:40:16 GMT (envelope-from aw1@titus.hanley.stade.co.uk) Received: from titus.hanley.stade.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) hBLJeFJE080883 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:40:15 GMT (envelope-from aw1@titus.hanley.stade.co.uk) Received: (from aw1@localhost) by titus.hanley.stade.co.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hBLJeEjV080882 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:40:14 GMT (envelope-from aw1) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:40:14 +0000 From: Adrian Wontroba To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031221194014.A80856@titus.hanley.stade.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Adrian Wontroba , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <06214A1C-33B6-11D8-811B-000393D46EC6@coders.net> <3FE5A2BD.9020802@iconoplex.co.uk> <3FE5DE87.4050200@iconoplex.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <3FE5DE87.4050200@iconoplex.co.uk>; from paul@iconoplex.co.uk on Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 05:55:19PM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE Organization: Yes, I was in one once. Subject: Re: Spam educates X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: aw1@stade.co.uk List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:40:24 -0000 On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 05:55:19PM +0000, Paul Robinson wrote: > If it makes you feel any better the spoonerism of you name suggests > you'd be good at flatulating... no, no, that probably didn't help. It's > an anagram of Nerd Rap Hair? No.... no.... I think I need to shut up.... STOP DIGGING! -- Adrian Wontroba From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 15:15:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E625516A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:15:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C57943D53 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:15:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from underway@comcast.net) Received: from localhost.localdomain (12-230-74-101.client.attbi.com[12.230.74.101]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with ESMTP id <2003122123154601600rpdlle>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:15:46 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) hBLNFKgS024849 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:15:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from underway@comcast.net) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hBLNFFVv024848; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:15:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from underway@comcast.net) To: chat@freebsd.org References: <3FE500F4.3060108@potentialtech.com> From: underway@comcast.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:15:15 -0800 In-Reply-To: <3FE500F4.3060108@potentialtech.com> (Bill Moran's message of "Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:09:56 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) XEmacs/21.4 (Portable Code, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: More trivia: origin of the wheel group X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:15:48 -0000 Bill Moran writes: > Does anyone know why the wheel group is called "wheel"? I mean, why not > "admins" or something like that. "wheel" certainly is a cryptic name for > the administrators group. Anyone have any idea why it's called "wheel"? Seems obvious to me. "Big wheel" was slang for "one who calls the shots" or "VIP" as long as I can remember. And "wheel" was common slang for "big wheel". Some sys admin must have seen sys admins as qualifying. Why "big wheel" had that meaning, I can only guess, but I suspect it came from horsey days when people's importance was pretty-well correlated with the size of their vehicle's wheels. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 16:45:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61C516A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:45:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta10.adelphia.net (mta10.adelphia.net [68.168.78.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7BB443D5A for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:45:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from potentialtech.com ([68.68.113.33]) by mta10.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031222004510.ZKCE12043.mta10.adelphia.net@potentialtech.com>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:45:10 -0500 Message-ID: <3FE63E95.2020201@potentialtech.com> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:45:09 -0500 From: Bill Moran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031005 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gary W. Swearingen" References: <3FE500F4.3060108@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: More trivia: origin of the wheel group X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 00:45:11 -0000 Gary W. Swearingen wrote: > Bill Moran writes: > >>Does anyone know why the wheel group is called "wheel"? I mean, why not >>"admins" or something like that. "wheel" certainly is a cryptic name for >>the administrators group. Anyone have any idea why it's called "wheel"? > > Seems obvious to me. "Big wheel" was slang for "one who calls the > shots" or "VIP" as long as I can remember. And "wheel" was common > slang for "big wheel". Some sys admin must have seen sys admins as > qualifying. Why "big wheel" had that meaning, I can only guess, but I > suspect it came from horsey days when people's importance was > pretty-well correlated with the size of their vehicle's wheels. Interesting. I can't remember ever hearing the term "Big wheel" before. Perhaps it's some local slang that is seldom used in western Pennsylvania? -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 17:20:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1F016A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:20:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from 82-41-155-225.cable.ubr01.linl.blueyonder.co.uk (82-41-155-225.cable.ubr01.linl.blueyonder.co.uk [82.41.155.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8316243D6B for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:19:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@cream.org) Received: from cream.org (spatula.home [192.168.0.4]) by gateway.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57589123; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:19:57 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <3FE646A3.6080907@cream.org> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:19:31 +0000 From: Andrew Boothman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Moran References: <3FE500F4.3060108@potentialtech.com> <3FE63E95.2020201@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <3FE63E95.2020201@potentialtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: More trivia: origin of the wheel group X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:20:01 -0000 Bill Moran wrote: >>> Does anyone know why the wheel group is called "wheel"? I mean, why not >>> "admins" or something like that. "wheel" certainly is a cryptic name >>> for >>> the administrators group. Anyone have any idea why it's called "wheel"? >> >> >> Seems obvious to me. "Big wheel" was slang for "one who calls the >> shots" or "VIP" as long as I can remember. And "wheel" was common >> slang for "big wheel". Some sys admin must have seen sys admins as >> qualifying. Why "big wheel" had that meaning, I can only guess, but I >> suspect it came from horsey days when people's importance was >> pretty-well correlated with the size of their vehicle's wheels. > > Interesting. I can't remember ever hearing the term "Big wheel" before. > Perhaps it's some local slang that is seldom used in western Pennsylvania? It sounds pretty plausible though. The only place I can remember hearing the term, "big wheel", before is in a Simpson's episode where Milhouse describes his dad as a, "big wheel down at the cracker factory", or something like that! Works for me! Andrew From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 17:26:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C6B16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:26:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD32F43D64 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:26:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from runaround.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28268; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 18:26:36 -0700 (MST) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook renders your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20031221182420.03d16fc8@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 18:26:36 -0700 To: Bill Moran , "Gary W. Swearingen" From: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: <3FE63E95.2020201@potentialtech.com> References: <3FE500F4.3060108@potentialtech.com> <3FE63E95.2020201@potentialtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: More trivia: origin of the wheel group X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:26:51 -0000 At 05:45 PM 12/21/2003, Bill Moran wrote: >Interesting. I can't remember ever hearing the term "Big wheel" before. >Perhaps it's some local slang that is seldom used in western Pennsylvania? No, it's a very common term and definitely pre-dates computers as we know them. As for the origin of the group name: Yes, it came from the DECSystem-10/20 culture, where "wheel" was shorthand for "administrator." --Brett Glass From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 18:59:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD6B16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 18:59:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxsf17.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf17.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824CC43D2D for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 18:59:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mbueide@charter.net) Received: from mbueide ([68.114.179.71])hBM2rsGH069917; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:53:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mbueide@charter.net) Received: by mbueide (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:47:01 -0700 Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:47:01 -0700 From: mike bueide To: Bill Moran Message-ID: <20031222024701.GA1417@charter.net> Mail-Followup-To: Bill Moran , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <3FE500F4.3060108@potentialtech.com> <3FE63E95.2020201@potentialtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FE63E95.2020201@potentialtech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: More trivia: origin of the wheel group X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:59:33 -0000 On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 07:45:09PM -0500, Bill Moran wrote: > Gary W. Swearingen wrote: > >Bill Moran writes: > > > >>Does anyone know why the wheel group is called "wheel"? I mean, why not > >>"admins" or something like that. "wheel" certainly is a cryptic name for > >>the administrators group. Anyone have any idea why it's called "wheel"? > > > >Seems obvious to me. "Big wheel" was slang for "one who calls the > >shots" or "VIP" as long as I can remember. And "wheel" was common > >slang for "big wheel". Some sys admin must have seen sys admins as > >qualifying. Why "big wheel" had that meaning, I can only guess, but I > >suspect it came from horsey days when people's importance was > >pretty-well correlated with the size of their vehicle's wheels. > > Interesting. I can't remember ever hearing the term "Big wheel" before. > Perhaps it's some local slang that is seldom used in western Pennsylvania? Might it not be a maritime reference? --------- Michael Bueide mbueide (at) charter (dot) net . From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 19:27:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B262016A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:27:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6225543D2D for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:27:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:30:38 -0600 Message-ID: <3FE66474.1030201@daleco.biz> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:26:44 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031124 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mike bueide References: <3FE500F4.3060108@potentialtech.com> <3FE63E95.2020201@potentialtech.com> <20031222024701.GA1417@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <20031222024701.GA1417@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2003 03:30:39.0375 (UTC) FILETIME=[F87811F0:01C3C83B] cc: Bill Moran cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: More trivia: origin of the wheel group X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:27:32 -0000 mike bueide wrote: >On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 07:45:09PM -0500, Bill Moran wrote: > > >>Gary W. Swearingen wrote: >> >> >>>Bill Moran writes: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Does anyone know why the wheel group is called "wheel"? I mean, why not >>>>"admins" or something like that. "wheel" certainly is a cryptic name for >>>>the administrators group. Anyone have any idea why it's called "wheel"? >>>> >>>> >>>Seems obvious to me. "Big wheel" was slang for "one who calls the >>>shots" or "VIP" as long as I can remember. And "wheel" was common >>>slang for "big wheel". Some sys admin must have seen sys admins as >>>qualifying. Why "big wheel" had that meaning, I can only guess, but I >>>suspect it came from horsey days when people's importance was >>>pretty-well correlated with the size of their vehicle's wheels. >>> >>> >>Interesting. I can't remember ever hearing the term "Big wheel" before. >>Perhaps it's some local slang that is seldom used in western Pennsylvania? >> >> > >Might it not be a maritime reference? > >--------- > Michael Bueide > mbueide (at) charter (dot) net . > > Possibly, but that wouldn't explain that it's commonly known among old fogeys (sic --- "look" doesn't give a plural) in Missouri. Not very salty, Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 20:14:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2D516A4CF for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:14:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from carver.gumbysoft.com (carver.gumbysoft.com [66.220.23.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B3943D54 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:14:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@gumbysoft.com) Received: by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 98F7C72DB5; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:14:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9647572DAD; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:14:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:14:03 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: Marty Landman In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031221090242.07fbbd78@pop.face2interface.com> Message-ID: <20031221201221.S55059@carver.gumbysoft.com> References: <5.0.2.1.1.20031220224013.02cf25c0@popserver.sfu.ca> <5.0.2.1.1.20031220224013.02cf25c0@popserver.sfu.ca> <5.0.2.1.1.20031220230641.02d15ec0@popserver.sfu.ca> <6.0.0.22.0.20031221090242.07fbbd78@pop.face2interface.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: chat@freebsd.org cc: Bill Moran Subject: Re: A bit of trivia: what does usr stand for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:14:05 -0000 On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Marty Landman wrote: > At 06:08 PM 12/20/2003, Colin Percival wrote: > > >>The urban myth is believeable, though, since it seems silly to abbreviate > >>"user" with "usr" ... I mean, you're only saving 1 letter. > > > > The same could be said about /tmp. I suspect it has less to do with > >abbreviation, and more to do with someone having a broken "e" key on their > >keyboard. ;) > > I like the broken 'e' key hypothesis, although given the first Unix > developers were at Bell Labs I find it a little hard to believe; I worked > at Bell Core once upon a time and faulty equipment like that was something > I don't recall ever seeing. I like the faulty equipment idea; reference creat(2). Or someone who didn't like the letter 'e'. I think it was Kerningham that said that given the chance to do it all over, he would have called it create(2). -- Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@gumbysoft.com | www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 21:01:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC4316A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:01:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (ip30.gte215.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [209.20.215.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A38E43D5F for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:01:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (s1.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.201])hBM51Fx6009852 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:01:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:01:15 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-X-Sender: jcw@s1.stradamotorsports.com To: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20031221201221.S55059@carver.gumbysoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=4.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Subject: Re: A bit of trivia: what does usr stand for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 05:01:20 -0000 On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Doug White wrote: > I think it was Kerningham that said that given the chance to do it all > over, he would have called it create(2). And there you have it. The earliest example of bikeshedding recorded in the development of unix. Later, Jason From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 22:20:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6011816A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:20:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from lon-mail-3.gradwell.net (lon-mail-3.gradwell.net [193.111.201.127]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 33BBE43D41 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:20:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aw1@stade.co.uk) Received: (qmail 3526 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 06:20:31 -0000 Received: from alsager-adsl.stade.co.uk (HELO access2.hanley.stade.co.uk) (81.6.222.119) by lon-mail-3.gradwell.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 06:20:31 -0000 Received: from titus.hanley.stade.co.uk (titus [192.168.1.5]) hBM6KV9Z084380 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:20:31 GMT (envelope-from aw1@titus.hanley.stade.co.uk) Received: from titus.hanley.stade.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) hBM6KUJE092271 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:20:30 GMT (envelope-from aw1@titus.hanley.stade.co.uk) Received: (from aw1@localhost) by titus.hanley.stade.co.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hBM6KUYA092270 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:20:30 GMT (envelope-from aw1) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:20:29 +0000 From: Adrian Wontroba To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031222062029.A91764@titus.hanley.stade.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Adrian Wontroba , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <3FE500F4.3060108@potentialtech.com> <3FE63E95.2020201@potentialtech.com> <20031222024701.GA1417@charter.net> <3FE66474.1030201@daleco.biz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <3FE66474.1030201@daleco.biz>; from kdk@daleco.biz on Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 09:26:44PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE Organization: Yes, I was in one once. Subject: Re: More trivia: origin of the wheel group X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: aw1@stade.co.uk List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:20:34 -0000 On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 09:26:44PM -0600, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > Possibly, but that wouldn't explain that it's commonly > known among old fogeys (sic --- "look" doesn't give a plural) > in Missouri. I'm fairly sure that I knew the "big wheel" term meaning "someone of importance" in my youth in the 60's. At the time, in Somerset (UK county) fairground Ferris Wheels where often known as "big wheels". I like this definition: http://www.foodreference.com/html/fbigwheelcheese.html -- Adrian Wontroba From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 23:06:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05DDA16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:06:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from vhost109.his.com (vhost109.his.com [216.194.225.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 873A743D48 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:06:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [172.199.215.131] (localhost.his.com [127.0.0.1]) by vhost109.his.com (8.12.6p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hBM75dCB038065; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:05:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20031220230641.02d15ec0@popserver.sfu.ca> References: <5.0.2.1.1.20031220224013.02cf25c0@popserver.sfu.ca> <5.0.2.1.1.20031220224013.02cf25c0@popserver.sfu.ca> <5.0.2.1.1.20031220230641.02d15ec0@popserver.sfu.ca> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 00:40:37 -0600 To: Colin Percival From: Brad Knowles Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" cc: chat@freebsd.org cc: Bill Moran Subject: Re: A bit of trivia: what does usr stand for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 07:06:05 -0000 At 11:08 PM +0000 2003/12/20, Colin Percival wrote: > The same could be said about /tmp. I suspect it has less to do with > abbreviation, and more to do with someone having a broken "e" key on their > keyboard. ;) That would explain only part of "creat()". I guess it was only lazy when it was late? ;-) -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 23:06:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D42C16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:06:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from vhost109.his.com (vhost109.his.com [216.194.225.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE5843D53 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:06:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [172.199.215.131] (localhost.his.com [127.0.0.1]) by vhost109.his.com (8.12.6p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hBM75dCD038065; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:06:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3FE63E95.2020201@potentialtech.com> References: <3FE500F4.3060108@potentialtech.com> <3FE63E95.2020201@potentialtech.com> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 00:46:13 -0600 To: Bill Moran From: Brad Knowles Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: More trivia: origin of the wheel group X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 07:06:20 -0000 At 7:45 PM -0500 2003/12/21, Bill Moran wrote: > Interesting. I can't remember ever hearing the term "Big wheel" before. > Perhaps it's some local slang that is seldom used in western Pennsylvania? From childhood -- a low-to-the-ground plastic tricycle-like contraption. Thirty some-odd years sounds like about the right timeframe.... -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 23:15:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CF016A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:15:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from ozlabs.org (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C728443D41 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:15:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (blackwater.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00032BD32 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:15:11 +1100 (EST) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB8125120C; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:45:58 +1030 (CST) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:45:58 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Doug White Message-ID: <20031222071558.GT4438@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <5.0.2.1.1.20031220224013.02cf25c0@popserver.sfu.ca> <5.0.2.1.1.20031220224013.02cf25c0@popserver.sfu.ca> <5.0.2.1.1.20031220230641.02d15ec0@popserver.sfu.ca> <6.0.0.22.0.20031221090242.07fbbd78@pop.face2interface.com> <20031221201221.S55059@carver.gumbysoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EmW68jKGQIhj8inv" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031221201221.S55059@carver.gumbysoft.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: Marty Landman cc: chat@freebsd.org cc: Bill Moran Subject: Re: A bit of trivia: what does usr stand for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 07:15:15 -0000 --EmW68jKGQIhj8inv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday, 21 December 2003 at 20:14:03 -0800, Doug White wrote: > > I think it was Kerningham that said that given the chance to do it all > over, he would have called it create(2). Nope, not even Kernighan. It was ken. There are some nice quotes at http://web.umr.edu/~eepe/jon.html. I think I might keep a bookmark on that one. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --EmW68jKGQIhj8inv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/5pouIubykFB6QiMRAsoSAJ9Ra69d5Qk5vdbjtqJIdBt4dfHG9gCeJ9hE mKwKt7T+vBCXa0ChN2cxw1s= =f+gN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EmW68jKGQIhj8inv-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 22 04:15:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD2D16A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:15:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from hannibal.servitor.co.uk (hannibal.servitor.co.uk [195.188.15.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BAB43D48 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:15:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@iconoplex.co.uk) Received: from hannibal.servitor.co.uk ([195.188.15.48] helo=iconoplex.co.uk) by hannibal.servitor.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AYOyF-0000kt-SC; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:15:35 +0000 Message-ID: <3FE6E05C.5060605@iconoplex.co.uk> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:15:24 +0000 From: Paul Robinson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aw1@stade.co.uk References: <3FE500F4.3060108@potentialtech.com> <3FE63E95.2020201@potentialtech.com> <20031222024701.GA1417@charter.net> <3FE66474.1030201@daleco.biz> <20031222062029.A91764@titus.hanley.stade.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20031222062029.A91764@titus.hanley.stade.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: More trivia: origin of the wheel group X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:15:30 -0000 Adrian Wontroba wrote: >I'm fairly sure that I knew the "big wheel" term meaning "someone of >importance" in my youth in the 60's. > Should hope so as it pre-dates all of us. >At the time, in Somerset (UK county) fairground Ferris Wheels where >often known as "big wheels". > And had been known as such for some 100 years previously. >I like this definition: > >http://www.foodreference.com/html/fbigwheelcheese.html > Sounds back-fitted to me. I had always understood it dated back to the Industrial Revolution - think water wheels as compared to small insignificant cogs in the workings of the factories at the time. There are a couple of things I do know for fact though: 1. All the references to it I can find agree that it dates to 18th/19th Century Britain 2. Nobody is 100% sure exactly where it came from 3. A lot of people think it was the basis for "wheeler dealer" To me, by far the most realistic would be related to the power sources of factories, but to be honest, does it matter? :-) -- Paul Robinson From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 22 10:13:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5945916A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:13:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D9F43D31 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:13:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from underway@comcast.net) Received: from localhost.localdomain (12-230-74-101.client.attbi.com[12.230.74.101]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <2003122218131501500l7nbne>; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:13:15 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) hBMICjgS041005; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:12:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from underway@comcast.net) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hBMICdmx041004; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:12:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from underway@comcast.net) To: Andrew Boothman References: <3FE500F4.3060108@potentialtech.com> <3FE63E95.2020201@potentialtech.com> <3FE646A3.6080907@cream.org> From: underway@comcast.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:12:39 -0800 In-Reply-To: <3FE646A3.6080907@cream.org> (Andrew Boothman's message of "Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:19:31 +0000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) XEmacs/21.4 (Portable Code, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: More trivia: origin of the wheel group X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:13:18 -0000 Andrew Boothman writes: > The only place I can remember hearing the term, "big wheel", before is > in a Simpson's episode where Milhouse describes his dad as a, "big > wheel down at the cracker factory", or something like that! I wonder if that shouldn't have been "big wheel down at the cheese factory". But that's exactly how the term is most often used -- referring to a high-level executive. I very much doubt if the term started with, or was even popularized by, the Big Wheel tricycle which came out in the mid '60s, but I don't know for sure. It'd sure be nice to have an OED or other etymological reference book. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 22 14:45:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E02B616A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 14:45:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from shaft.techsupport.co.uk (shaft.techsupport.co.uk [212.250.77.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B0443D3F for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 14:45:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com ([81.103.67.204] helo=shrike.submonkey.net ident=mailnull) by shaft.techsupport.co.uk with esmtp (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD) id 1AYYnk-0000JW-Kd; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:45:24 +0000 Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD) id 1AYYng-0004WV-I9; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:45:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:45:20 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: "Gary W. Swearingen" Message-ID: <20031222224520.GK652@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , "Gary W. Swearingen" , Andrew Boothman , chat@freebsd.org References: <3FE500F4.3060108@potentialtech.com> <3FE63E95.2020201@potentialtech.com> <3FE646A3.6080907@cream.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AJu7IxIPovG6hMTN" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: More trivia: origin of the wheel group X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:45:28 -0000 --AJu7IxIPovG6hMTN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 22, 2003 at 10:12:39AM -0800, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: > Andrew Boothman writes: >=20 > > The only place I can remember hearing the term, "big wheel", before is > > in a Simpson's episode where Milhouse describes his dad as a, "big > > wheel down at the cracker factory", or something like that! >=20 > I wonder if that shouldn't have been "big wheel down at the cheese > factory". >=20 > But that's exactly how the term is most often used -- referring to > a high-level executive. >=20 > I very much doubt if the term started with, or was even popularized > by, the Big Wheel tricycle which came out in the mid '60s, but I don't > know for sure. It'd sure be nice to have an OED or other etymological > reference book. My Cassell's Dictionary of Slang says that "big wheel" originates from the 1930s: big wheel n. [1930s+] an important, influential person, esp. in business. [the image of a smooth-running, powerful machine] I seem to remember a reference somewhere stating that the term was due to the fact that only important people could afford horse-drawn carriages, but I can't cite (or find) it at the moment. Ceri --=20 --AJu7IxIPovG6hMTN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/53QAocfcwTS3JF8RAnJRAJ0eGQbJBH8iDYftA5/T/08+kkgiMwCghIjL Tlo9F+1xkXw0ZVa41/uoXGE= =Rtqt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AJu7IxIPovG6hMTN-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 22 18:30:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB90716A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:30:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net (outbound03.telus.net [199.185.220.222]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD5B43D1F for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:30:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from viktorlazlo@telus.net) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [66.183.127.30]) by priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.netESMTP <20031223023032.EOJC20694.priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net@[192.168.1.101]>; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 19:30:32 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:30:31 -0800 (PST) From: Viktor Lazlo X-X-Sender: viktorlazlo@d66-183-123-52.bchsia.telus.net To: Bill Moran In-Reply-To: <3FE50C2A.80009@potentialtech.com> Message-ID: <20031222182338.V1760@d66-183-123-52.bchsia.telus.net> References: <3FE50C2A.80009@potentialtech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: "Jason C. Wells" cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: More trivia: origin of the wheel group X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 02:30:34 -0000 On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Bill Moran wrote: > Jason C. Wells wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Bill Moran wrote: > > > >>Does anyone know why the wheel group is called "wheel"? I mean, why not > >>"admins" or something like that. "wheel" certainly is a cryptic name for > >>the administrators group. Anyone have any idea why it's called "wheel"? > > > > The guy who wrote the group functionality was both a buddhist and a > > Journey fan. He was listening to "Wheel in the Sky" while trying to > > figure out a way to give more people administrative rights without giving > > too much access. In a fit of enlightment, he came up with a special group > > for administrators. Since they were the ones who kept things turning, it > > only seemed appropriate that "wheel" be immortalized in the /etc/group > > file. > > > > True story! > > Go on ... pull the other one! Heh-not quite sure about that, the version I was told which is somewhat less colourful is that the members of this group were the "big wheels" on the system, secondary only to root itself. But that in itself sounds something like backformation to explain the name . . . Cheers, Viktor From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 22 20:25:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA14216A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 20:25:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC3943D53 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 20:25:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from runaround.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12984; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:24:56 -0700 (MST) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook renders your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20031222212430.03ca2400@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:24:56 -0700 To: underway@comcast.net (Gary W. Swearingen), Andrew Boothman From: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: References: <3FE500F4.3060108@potentialtech.com> <3FE63E95.2020201@potentialtech.com> <3FE646A3.6080907@cream.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: More trivia: origin of the wheel group X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 04:25:09 -0000 At 11:12 AM 12/22/2003, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: >I wonder if that shouldn't have been "big wheel down at the cheese >factory". Or "big cheese down at the wheel factory." ;-) --Brett From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 24 10:52:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B34016A4CE for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:52:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from be-well.no-ip.com (lowellg.ne.client2.attbi.com [66.30.200.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C78643D55 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:52:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-current-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: by be-well.no-ip.com (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 2F2BB66; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:52:38 -0500 (EST) Sender: lowell@be-well.ilk.org To: Evren Yurtesen , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <20031224140203.GA28939@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <20031224141042.GA13426@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20031224142027.GB28939@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <3FE9A42C.5080200@ispro.net.tr> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 24 Dec 2003 13:52:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: <3FE9A42C.5080200@ispro.net.tr> Message-ID: <44smja59qh.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Lines: 9 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Is Jordan K. Hubbard back to freebsd? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:52:41 -0000 Evren Yurtesen writes: > I believe that M$ has a lot of stuff from open source software > anyway. They just rebrand it. This explains why many years ago winnuke > for windows 95 was also effecting linux :) Didnt you watch the movie > 'Antithrust' ? :))) What was that about, anti-gravity? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 24 10:57:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A8916A4CF for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:57:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from cruzio.com (dsl3-63-249-85-132.cruzio.com [63.249.85.132]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E5E43D50 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:57:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brucem@mail.cruzio.com) Received: from mail.cruzio.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cruzio.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBOKtvCM000328 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:55:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brucem@mail.cruzio.com) Received: (from brucem@localhost) by mail.cruzio.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hBOKtvcr000327 for chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:55:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brucem) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:55:57 -0800 (PST) From: "Bruce R. Montague" Message-Id: <200312242055.hBOKtvcr000327@mail.cruzio.com> To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A bit of trivia: what does usr stand for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:57:34 -0000 Regarding: > ... reference creat(2). ... > > I think it was Kerningham that said that given the chance > to do it all over, he would have called it create(2). I used (and "operated") IBM 1403 printers, teletypes, and various other impact printers of the same era, drum printers, band printers, etc.. The 1403 was arguably the best, and most widely used, mainframe printer of them all. Output from other companies machines was often printed on 1403s (via tape transfer). Invariably the print slugs that printed characters on all impact printers (and teletypes) wore out unevenly, reflecting frequency of character use. If used for normal text, the letter "e" was always the first to go (reflecting its well-known English frequency). The highly-used characters would start "fading" as their hammer/slug or equivalent began to lose its sharp relief. This was not a minor problem. An all-new print chain was like Christmas! Band printers and chain printers, such as the 1403, had multiple sets of the character set in their "chain". The 1403 chain allowed individual print slugs (characters) to be replaced (handloaded) when they became worn. I believe you could alter the frequency of the slugs to match expected use by using the "control tape", although this didn't seem really commonly done. The 1403 chain somewhat resembled a machine-gun ammo chain or bike chain. Anyhow, programmers often tried to reduce the use of common characters to avoid wearing out that character. This sometimes was designed deeply into things. For instance, the use of "." for the indirection operator in the BLISS language (equivalent to "*" in C, but much more heavily used because all variables were "pointers") was done for this reason (I heard Bill Wulf say once that's why he did it). So it is possible this common practice created a bias against "e" in Unix names. - bruce From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 24 10:59:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D8D16A4CE for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:59:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D7443D6B for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:59:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:02:09 -0600 Message-ID: <3FE9E1CC.2060408@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:58:20 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031124 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lowell Gilbert References: <20031224140203.GA28939@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <20031224141042.GA13426@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20031224142027.GB28939@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <3FE9A42C.5080200@ispro.net.tr> <44smja59qh.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> In-Reply-To: <44smja59qh.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2003 19:02:09.0859 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E9EA130:01C3CA50] cc: Evren Yurtesen cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is Jordan K. Hubbard back to freebsd? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:59:26 -0000 Lowell Gilbert wrote: >Evren Yurtesen writes: > > > >>I believe that M$ has a lot of stuff from open source software >>anyway. They just rebrand it. This explains why many years ago winnuke >>for windows 95 was also effecting linux :) Didnt you watch the movie >>'Antithrust' ? :))) >> >> > >What was that about, anti-gravity? > > > Better than what I thought. Moving over from -current, I presume? AFAIK, JKH never left, exactly... KDK From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 25 22:23:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B6D316A4CE for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 22:23:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.uninterruptible.net (mail.uninterruptible.net [64.146.146.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBCA43D6D for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 22:22:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@catonic.net) Received: from Spaz.Catonic.NET (tnt6-216-180-4-122.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.4.122]) by mail.uninterruptible.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B0E5001E; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 06:23:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix, from userid 1002) id D3EC63352; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 06:22:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8064C6C; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 06:22:54 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 06:22:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Kris Kirby To: Lowell Gilbert In-Reply-To: <44smja59qh.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Message-ID: X-Mailer: !/bin/sh MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: Evren Yurtesen cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is Jordan K. Hubbard back to freebsd? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 06:23:03 -0000 On 24 Dec 2003, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Evren Yurtesen writes: > > I believe that M$ has a lot of stuff from open source software > > anyway. They just rebrand it. This explains why many years ago winnuke > > for windows 95 was also effecting linux :) Didnt you watch the movie > > 'Antithrust' ? :))) > > What was that about, anti-gravity? Sounds like bad porno... -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR TGIFreeBSD IM: 'KrisBSD' "BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU!" This message brought to you by the US Department of Homeland Security From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 26 09:54:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59D816A4CE for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 09:54:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.uninterruptible.net (mail.uninterruptible.net [64.146.146.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A899043D58 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 09:54:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@catonic.net) Received: from Spaz.Catonic.NET (tnt6-216-180-4-173.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.4.173]) by mail.uninterruptible.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C993D5001E; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 17:55:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 4097F3352; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 17:54:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3567C4C6C; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 17:54:20 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 17:54:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Kris Kirby To: Lowell Gilbert In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Mailer: !/bin/sh MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: Evren Yurtesen cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is Jordan K. Hubbard back to freebsd? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 17:54:28 -0000 > On 24 Dec 2003, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > > Evren Yurtesen writes: > > > I believe that M$ has a lot of stuff from open source software > > > anyway. They just rebrand it. This explains why many years ago winnuke > > > for windows 95 was also effecting linux :) Didnt you watch the movie > > > 'Antithrust' ? :))) > > > > What was that about, anti-gravity? > > Sounds like bad porno... The movie referenced is "Antitrust", however, someone appears to have made a slip. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR TGIFreeBSD IM: 'KrisBSD' "BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU!" This message brought to you by the US Department of Homeland Security From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 26 21:45:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2F016A4CE for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 21:45:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855DB43D45 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 21:45:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from myister@sdf.lonestar.org) Received: from webmail.freeshell.org (IDENT:nobody@vinland.freeshell.org [192.94.73.6]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hBR5jlLx026437 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 05:45:48 GMT Received: from 24.69.255.236 (proxying for 24.82.131.95) (SquirrelMail authenticated user myister) by webmail.freeshell.org with HTTP; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 05:45:48 -0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <7106.24.69.255.236.1072503948.squirrel@webmail.freeshell.org> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 05:45:48 -0000 (UTC) From: myister@sdf.lonestar.org To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Subject: conformation # X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 05:45:52 -0000 Hi, my conformation number does not work. How come? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 27 03:28:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 952FA16A4CE for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 03:28:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-234.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB5B543D45 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 03:28:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5AA4066BAA; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 03:28:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 03:28:53 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: myister@sdf.lonestar.org Message-ID: <20031227112853.GA89441@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <7106.24.69.255.236.1072503948.squirrel@webmail.freeshell.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7106.24.69.255.236.1072503948.squirrel@webmail.freeshell.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: conformation # X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 11:28:54 -0000 --GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 05:45:48AM -0000, myister@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: > Hi, my conformation number does not work. How come? Can you please explain what you're talking about? Kris --GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/7Wz1Wry0BWjoQKURAgCKAKDQ6KUMnqnL8sxHpwn4DbrxZjqkrACcDsMc 0QC4rUHwIC5OFiDfN+IMUoE= =EmUx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 27 17:44:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A4B16A4CF for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 17:44:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ozlabs.org (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B309A43D2D for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 17:44:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (blackwater.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61B52BD32 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:44:18 +1100 (EST) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB74C51206; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:14:16 +1030 (CST) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:14:16 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Kris Kennaway Message-ID: <20031228014416.GL38246@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <7106.24.69.255.236.1072503948.squirrel@webmail.freeshell.org> <20031227112853.GA89441@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Ws+C+3cFyVqcopd2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031227112853.GA89441@xor.obsecurity.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: myister@sdf.lonestar.org cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: conformation # X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 01:44:22 -0000 --Ws+C+3cFyVqcopd2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday, 27 December 2003 at 3:28:53 -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 05:45:48AM -0000, myister@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: >> Hi, my conformation number does not work. How come? > > Can you please explain what you're talking about? His shoulder is too steep, and he has a swayback. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --Ws+C+3cFyVqcopd2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/7jVwIubykFB6QiMRAhMiAJ9+3XJ66PxakjobO0xUCAcnSp9GGwCglMVV RrAu8j8ysMtRp/m8VkcaYCw= =H2RY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Ws+C+3cFyVqcopd2--