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Пишите soft8@altern.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jan 26 3:18:52 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E1937B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 03:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr4.ruhr.de [212.23.134.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9333A43F13 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 03:18:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 16468 invoked by uid 10); 26 Jan 2003 11:18:35 -0000 Received: from nathan.internal (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nathan.internal (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0QBC40B073558; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:12:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ue@nathan.internal) Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.internal (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0QBC3x6073557; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:12:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:12:03 +0100 From: Udo Erdelhoff To: Kris Kennaway Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc64 Fbsd5.0 Message-ID: <20030126111202.GC57904@nathan.ruhr.de> Mail-Followup-To: Kris Kennaway , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <368D67626F94DC42890180F75B1E97C799949D@newman.bisinc.net> <20030124205352.GI30015@procyon.firepipe.net> <20030125100448.GA57904@nathan.ruhr.de> <20030125111640.GA12608@rot13.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030125111640.GA12608@rot13.obsecurity.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 03:16:40AM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 11:04:48AM +0100, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > > > + SPARC Installation > > + > > + Install &os; on an UltraSPARC system can only be done via a > > + serial console, it is not possible to use the keyboard > > + console. > > It is possible, just not very pretty. Are you talking about the grammar (which is poor, I was half asleep at the time) or the fact that we have to document this problem? We are getting numerous complaints/questions about this one on -sparc, that's why I proposed this addition. /s/Udo -- I figure that if the burned hand teaches best, then the entire scorched epidermis simply has to get its point across. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jan 26 4: 0:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3253C37B401; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 04:00:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-169-104-205.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.169.104.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B0643ED8; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 04:00:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C19670BD; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 04:00:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0D2501660; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 04:00:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 04:00:19 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Udo Erdelhoff Cc: Kris Kennaway , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc64 Fbsd5.0 Message-ID: <20030126120018.GB20541@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <368D67626F94DC42890180F75B1E97C799949D@newman.bisinc.net> <20030124205352.GI30015@procyon.firepipe.net> <20030125100448.GA57904@nathan.ruhr.de> <20030125111640.GA12608@rot13.obsecurity.org> <20030126111202.GC57904@nathan.ruhr.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="GRPZ8SYKNexpdSJ7" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030126111202.GC57904@nathan.ruhr.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --GRPZ8SYKNexpdSJ7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 12:12:03PM +0100, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 03:16:40AM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 11:04:48AM +0100, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > >=20 > > > + SPARC Installation > > > + > > > + Install &os; on an UltraSPARC system can only be done via a > > > + serial console, it is not possible to use the keyboard > > > + console. > >=20 > > It is possible, just not very pretty. >=20 > Are you talking about the grammar (which is poor, I was half asleep at the > time) or the fact that we have to document this problem? >=20 > We are getting numerous complaints/questions about this one on -sparc, > that's why I proposed this addition. Your patch states "it is not possible to use the keyboard console [to install FreeBSD]". This is untrue: it is possible, but the display is not drawn properly and keyboard navigation is unintuitive (you have to use emacs navigation keys or the menu hotkeys). It is _recommended_ that you install via a serial console instead, but if you know what you're doing you can struggle through. Kris --GRPZ8SYKNexpdSJ7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+M83SWry0BWjoQKURAvGFAKCJ08FNLzhfUbZu/gxTzEoqfUbkVACcD/N8 9M8rQAnQDldGjLIMTp2yQdQ= =6cjj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --GRPZ8SYKNexpdSJ7-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jan 26 4: 1:23 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D60637B401; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 04:01:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC5F43E4A; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 04:01:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@freebsd.org) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0QC17Ql006350; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:01:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@freebsd.org) To: Ruslan Ermilov Cc: current@freebsd.org, docs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sbin/disklabel disklabel.8 disklabel.c From: phk@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:40:00 +0200." <20030126114000.GA58366@sunbay.com> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:01:07 +0100 Message-ID: <6349.1043582467@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <20030126114000.GA58366@sunbay.com>, Ruslan Ermilov writes: >and installed the new kernel (without any problems) on it. Next >reboot refused to boot FreeBSD by mentioning that "No operating >system was found". I wondered how I managed to screw my disk up. Welcome to the club if people who was bitten by the poor design choices in the BSD disklabel. >Now the >question. Where is the code in the kernel that prevents swapping >and/or writing to a disklabel portion of a physically first >partition on the disk? In GEOM it works the following way: Assume we have a disk: ad0. The disk has an MBR with two slices: ad0s1 ad0s2. Assume that ad0s1 has a BSD disklabel with three partitions: ad0s1a ad0s1b and ad0s1c. When nothing is opened yet, you can open any of those devices anyway you want, and (almost, see below) write anything you want to any of them. No, lets say you open ad0s1a for writing. Since the location of ad0s1a is determined by the on-disk BSD disklabel, we cannot allow you to trash that label now. The BSD module will therefore open ad0s1 with an "Exclusive" bit, which means "don't write under my feet". If you try to open ad0s1 for writing now, you will get EPERM. You can open ad0s2 for writing because the MBR module will reaslize that they don't overlap so there is no danger. When The BSD label opens ad0s1, the same thing repeats: The MBR module wants to protect the MBR, so it also opens /dev/ad0 with the exclusive bit and therefore you cannot open /dev/ad0 for writing. So far so good. You cannot trash the MBR by writing to ad0s1 or ad0s2 because despite all its failings, the MBR does not have it's controlling meta-data in-band. Basically the disklayout is: [MBR sector][slice 1][slice 2] The BSD disklabel on the other hand, puts the label into harms way by allowing partitions to overlap the disklabel and bootblock area: [LABEL-area] [partition A ] [partition B] So special magic is implemented to check if the writes you do to one of the ad0s1? partitions would modify the label-area, and intercept the write, validate that it contains a disklabel compatible which do not modify the currently open partitions and generally DTRT. This protection does not extend down in the stack: If you didn't open any of the ad0s1? paritions, nothing prevents you from opening ad0s1 for writing and trashing the BSD label that way. The final wrinkle is that the 'c' partition overlaps the 'a' and 'b' partitions, so once you have opened ad0s1a for writing you are no longer allowed to open ad0s1c for writing since that would allow you to royally screw up the filesystem on 'a' under its feet. Do I hate the fact that the disklabel and boot code is in-band in BSD labels ? Yes you bet. If it wasn't because the BSD label has so many other restrictions, I would simply change our policy to not allow the overlap: no partitions in the first 16k, end of story. Sure it would take some time to migrate etc etc. But (fortunately) the BSD label has some stupid limitations and I have decided that we should migrate to a more powerful format, and that the GPT format looks like the thing, so I'm just going to leave the BSD label with it's broken semantics as it is. Thanks for asking the question, it prompted me to explain this stuff, and I've cc'ed the doc crew because this answer should probably go into a FAQ/DOC of some kind. Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jan 26 9:25:36 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDDB37B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:25:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from tnt4.tnt.cx (ip68-9-59-220.ri.ri.cox.net [68.9.59.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2859F43EB2 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:25:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from casper@freebsd.tnt.cx) Received: from freebsd.tnt.cx (casper@ip68-9-59-220.ri.ri.cox.net [68.9.59.220]) by tnt4.tnt.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0QHSCI3087658 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:28:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from casper@freebsd.tnt.cx) Received: (from casper@localhost) by freebsd.tnt.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0QHSBGp087657; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:28:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:28:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200301261728.h0QHSBGp087657@freebsd.tnt.cx> To: doc@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-URL: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.8.4rel.1 X-Personal_Name: : Bah From: bah@bah.com Subject: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors.htm Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org bah To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jan 26 9:25:53 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0D337B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:25:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from tnt4.tnt.cx (ip68-9-59-220.ri.ri.cox.net [68.9.59.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F1143F3F for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:25:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from casper@freebsd.tnt.cx) Received: from freebsd.tnt.cx (casper@ip68-9-59-220.ri.ri.cox.net [68.9.59.220]) by tnt4.tnt.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0QHSTI3087664; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:28:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from casper@freebsd.tnt.cx) Received: (from casper@localhost) by freebsd.tnt.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0QHSTuf087663; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:28:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:28:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200301261728.h0QHSTuf087663@freebsd.tnt.cx> To: doc@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-URL: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.8.4rel.1 X-Personal_Name: : sdf From: asdf@freebsd.tnt.cx Subject: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors.htm Cc: asf@freebsd.tnt.cx Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org asdef To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jan 26 21:30:10 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21DC37B401; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:30:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5372743E4A; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:30:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (trhodes@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0R5U9NS072756; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:30:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0R5U9uc072752; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:30:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:30:09 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Rhodes Message-Id: <200301270530.h0R5U9uc072752@freefall.freebsd.org> To: rwatson@freebsd.org, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/35678: docproj Makefiles for web are broken for paths with spaces Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: docproj Makefiles for web are broken for paths with spaces State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: trhodes State-Changed-When: Sun Jan 26 21:28:29 PST 2003 State-Changed-Why: This is not a problem specific to the doc project. In fact I don't think this is a bug at all, its a conflict of using make(1) with absolute paths. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=35678 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jan 26 21:36:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4043437B401; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:36:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81B343F18; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:36:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (trhodes@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0R5aPNS074701; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:36:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0R5aPFR074697; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:36:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:36:25 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Rhodes Message-Id: <200301270536.h0R5aPFR074697@freefall.freebsd.org> To: s-seiji@hyper.ocn.ne.jp, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/46841: Typo in manual page sshd(8). Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Typo in manual page sshd(8). State-Changed-From-To: open->feedback State-Changed-By: trhodes State-Changed-When: Sun Jan 26 21:35:40 PST 2003 State-Changed-Why: This is contributed software from the OpenBSD Project. Could you perhaps submit this patch to them? http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=46841 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jan 26 21:54:36 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF6237B405; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:54:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C077743F3F; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:54:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (trhodes@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0R5sZNS079682; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:54:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0R5sZIA079678; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:54:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:54:35 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Rhodes Message-Id: <200301270554.h0R5sZIA079678@freefall.freebsd.org> To: trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, trhodes@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/46271: Omission in ldconfig(8) manpage Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Omission in ldconfig(8) manpage Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->trhodes Responsible-Changed-By: trhodes Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Jan 26 21:54:14 PST 2003 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll handle this! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=46271 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jan 26 23:50:20 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A49437B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:50:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ptd-24-25-181-251.maine.rr.com (ptd-24-25-181-251.maine.rr.com [24.25.181.251]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 10F7243F1E for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:50:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from qucDVDtoCD12903@earthlink.net) Received: from [26.84.34.94] by smtp4.cyberec.com with smtp; Jan, 27 2003 1:42:46 AM -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO web13708.mail.yahoo.com) (141.52.163.69) by smtp4.cyberec.com with SMTP; Jan, 27 2003 12:28:39 AM -0300 Received: from ssymail.ssy.co.kr ([113.236.31.212]) by a231242.upc-a.chello.nl with local; Jan, 26 2003 11:49:04 PM +0700 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.gmx.net) (78.165.116.169) by smtp4.cyberec.com with smtp; Jan, 26 2003 10:37:52 PM +1200 From: Kena To: Friends@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Subject: *NEW***COPY ANY DVD TO CD**** Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 01:50:08 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-Priority: 1 Message-Id: <20030127075017.10F7243F1E@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org UNSUBSCRIBE AT THE BOTTOM --------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Subscriber/Member, You don't need to spend hundreds of dollars on a DVD burner to backup your DVD's! 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 27 2:57:31 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBAAA37B401; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 02:57:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from trillian.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEAC143F89; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 02:57:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@trillian.nitro.dk) Received: by trillian.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BB83958D7; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:57:26 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:57:26 +0100 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bsd.*.mk documentation Message-ID: <20030127105725.GA3474@nitro.dk> References: <20030123223555.GE418@nitro.dk> <20030124030320.GA9853@gothmog.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030124030320.GA9853@gothmog.gr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2003.01.24 05:03:20 +0000, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > Do there exist any documentation of the bsd.*.mk files beyond the > > out of date bsd.README in /usr/share/doc ? > None that I know of. I usually try to find my way through the > makefiles by reading comments. That is the approch I have been using too :-) > Feel free to start working on anything that pleases you or keeps your > interest going. I'm sure a lot of folks who want to make good use of > the existing *.mk files will be grateful to see something written :) Ok. I will have a look at it. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+NRCV8kocFXgPTRwRAgWWAJ9hLGETUCIrBFFcCc6DjApqth395QCcDb/4 cw2tAkutBPXcvwKWkP6u5kQ= =b4VD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 27 6: 4: 5 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2932837B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 06:04:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from gwdu60.gwdg.de (gwdu60.gwdg.de [134.76.98.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D82043ED8 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 06:04:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kheuer@gwdg.de) Received: from gwdu60.gwdg.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gwdu60.gwdg.de (8.12.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0RE41rv014734 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:04:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from kheuer@gwdg.de) Received: from localhost (kheuer@localhost) by gwdu60.gwdg.de (8.12.6/8.12.4/Submit) with ESMTP id h0RE40g5014731 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:04:01 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: gwdu60.gwdg.de: kheuer owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:04:00 +0100 (CET) From: Konrad Heuer To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Short article about 5.0-R in FR Message-ID: <20030127150019.X1236-100000@gwdu60.gwdg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The "Frankfurter Rundschau", an important daily German newspaper, had a short article (in German) about 5.0-RELEASE on January, the 24th, which is available online, too: http://www.fr-aktuell.de/ressorts/mensch_technik_umwelt/netzwerk/?cnt=3D964= 35 Best regards K. Heuer (kheuer@gwdg.de) Dr. Konrad Heuer | _____ _____ ___ ---------------------------------------------+=09 / __\ \ / / \ / __| Gesellschaft f=FCr wissenschaftliche |=09| (_ |\ \/\/ /| |) | (_ = | Datenverarbeitung mbH G=F6ttingen (GWDG) |=09 \___| \_/\_/ |___/ \___= | -----------------+---------------------------+ Am Fa=DFberg | E-Mail: kheuer@gwdg.de | * * 37077 G=F6ttingen | Telefon: +495512011540 | * * * (Germany) | Telefax: +4955121119 | * * * * * -----------------+---------------------------+ * * * * * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 27 10:18:35 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22DC037B401; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:18:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB3CD43ED8; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:18:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (trhodes@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0RIIXNS052972; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:18:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0RIIXd2052968; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:18:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:18:33 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Rhodes Message-Id: <200301271818.h0RIIXd2052968@freefall.freebsd.org> To: swear@attbi.com, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, trhodes@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/47170: xargs(1) manpage has "utility" problems. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: xargs(1) manpage has "utility" problems. State-Changed-From-To: open->patched State-Changed-By: trhodes State-Changed-When: Mon Jan 27 10:16:52 PST 2003 State-Changed-Why: Slightly different version committed. Using command in place of utility is a little out of tune with how other manual pages read (or should read) where: The .Nm utility is used. I agree that .Ar utility and .Nm utility is confusing here and I'll work on sorting this out. Thanks for the submission Gary! Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->trhodes Responsible-Changed-By: trhodes Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Jan 27 10:16:52 PST 2003 Responsible-Changed-Why: Slightly different version committed. Using command in place of utility is a little out of tune with how other manual pages read (or should read) where: The .Nm utility is used. I agree that .Ar utility and .Nm utility is confusing here and I'll work on sorting this out. Thanks for the submission Gary! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=47170 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 27 11: 1:10 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEACD37B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:01:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE0D43F7B for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:00:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0RJ0vNS067646 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:00:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0RJ0uUF067628 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:00:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:00:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200301271900.h0RJ0uUF067628@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The problem is understood and a solution is being sought. f - feedback Further work requires additional information from the originator or the community - possibly confirmation of the effectiveness of a proposed solution. p - patched A patch has been committed, but some issues (MFC and / or confirmation from originator) are still open. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on, due to lack of information or resources. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested -- or when fixing the problem is abandoned. Critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a [2001/10/31] i386/31671 doc 4.4 installer hangs at " Mounting root fr 1 problem total. Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- s [1999/10/04] i386/14135 doc lpt1 nolonger exists after 3.2-RELEASE s [2000/07/18] docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags o [2001/05/23] docs/27605 doc Cross-document references () o [2002/01/15] ports/33929 doc Section 15.15 of the FreeBSD Porter's Han o [2002/03/06] docs/35620 doc make release fails in documentation for R o [2002/03/21] docs/36168 doc -pthread/_THREAD_SAFE docs missing in gcc o [2002/04/12] docs/37029 doc The translation in Italian language of th o [2002/08/20] docs/41824 doc LANG is not documented in setlocale(3) o [2002/08/22] docs/41892 doc Patch to fix slowdowns of documentation b o [2002/09/01] docs/42292 doc PPP documentation should use quote marks o [2002/09/02] docs/42339 doc Release process doesn't document required o [2002/09/13] docs/42762 doc ppp.8 has no description of $env and ~use o [2002/10/07] docs/43776 doc /etc/sshd_config settings overridden by P o [2002/11/14] docs/45303 doc Bug in PDF DocBook rendering o [2002/12/02] docs/45948 doc Porter's Handbook doesn't address securit o [2002/12/15] docs/46286 doc there's an omission and an error in the n o [2002/12/18] docs/46365 doc there is no documentation on getosreldate o [2003/01/01] docs/46674 doc Wrong description of 'list' option for ip 18 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2000/03/01] docs/17104 doc gethostbyname(3) contains a reference to o [2001/02/01] docs/24786 doc missing FILES descriptions in sa(4) o [2001/04/29] docs/26943 doc [patch] description of :C modifier is mis o [2001/05/25] docs/27653 doc Updates to send-pr.html to support MIME o [2001/05/26] docs/27654 doc Update to PR 27653 o [2001/07/04] docs/28699 doc strptime(3) %d format specifier not compl o [2001/07/26] docs/29245 doc top(1) manpage doesn't understand SMP o [2001/08/09] docs/29571 doc [PATCH] No man page for pgrp kernel funct a [2001/08/23] docs/30008 doc This document should be translated, comme o [2001/09/08] docs/30442 doc remove broken referemce to gettime(9) fro o [2001/09/27] docs/30873 doc ``ip'' man page does not specify byte ord o [2001/10/07] docs/31109 doc replace gif images w/ png ones due to pat o [2001/10/09] docs/31164 doc man page for strftime is incorrect o [2001/11/15] docs/32020 doc loader.8 manpage missing tunables o [2001/11/16] docs/32054 doc inconsistency between index.3 and rindex. o [2001/12/01] docs/32425 doc Document cvs update `P file' output o [2001/12/10] docs/32674 doc no man page for the ntp_adjtime system ca o [2002/01/05] docs/33589 doc Patch to doc.docbook.mk to post process . o [2002/01/13] docs/33852 doc split(1) man page implies that input file o [2002/01/14] docs/33877 doc Documentet behaviour of SF_flags for non- o [2002/01/15] misc/33926 doc Search function on website can not access o [2002/02/01] docs/34529 doc [patch] Grammar nits in usbd.conf(5) and o [2002/02/15] bin/34955 doc [PATCH] ps(1) is out of touch with realit a [2002/02/16] docs/35011 doc There are no commands called "diskless" o o [2002/02/22] docs/35222 doc mailing list archive URL regexp suboptima o [2002/02/26] docs/35343 doc Old broken Unix docco Makefiles o [2002/03/03] docs/35523 doc manpage fixes for df(1) and ls(1) o [2002/03/05] docs/35575 doc Pw(8) man page makes no mention of /var/l o [2002/03/06] docs/35602 doc dump(8)/restore(8) pages don't explain "a o [2002/03/06] docs/35607 doc dump(1) page needs discussion of scary er o [2002/03/06] docs/35608 doc mt(1) page uses "setmark" without explana o [2002/03/06] docs/35609 doc mt(1) page needs explanation of "long era o [2002/03/06] docs/35612 doc ps(1) page "state" description doesn't me o [2002/03/07] docs/35642 doc lo(4) page maybe should document optional o [2002/03/07] docs/35644 doc lo(4) page presumes familiarity with prin o [2002/03/07] docs/35646 doc cp(1) page needs a "Bugs" section. o [2002/03/07] docs/35647 doc www; combine query-by-number and multi-fi o [2002/03/07] docs/35648 doc rc.conf; add note about "flags" to both f o [2002/03/07] docs/35649 doc mount_smbfs(8) page: "See ./examples/dot. o [2002/03/07] docs/35652 doc bsd.README seriously obsolete o [2002/03/08] docs/35686 doc blackhole(4) page seems to contradict its o [2002/03/08] docs/35687 doc /etc/nsmb.conf missing mention of readers o [2002/03/10] docs/35732 doc adduser(8) page has obsolete reference an o [2002/03/12] docs/35823 doc [PATCH] Little Restructuring of the Devel o [2002/03/15] docs/35941 doc cd(4) manual doesn't mention "target" use o [2002/03/15] docs/35942 doc at(1) manual doesn't describe at.allow an o [2002/03/15] docs/35943 doc at(1) config files are misplaced in /var/ o [2002/03/15] docs/35953 doc hosts.equiv(5) manual is confusing or wro o [2002/03/18] docs/36055 doc [PATCH] adding some help-yourself-info to o [2002/03/20] misc/36154 doc Getting USB mouse to work: usbd and mouse o [2002/03/28] docs/36432 doc Proposal for doc/share/mk: make folded bo o [2002/03/28] docs/36449 doc symlink(7) manual doesn't mention trailin o [2002/03/28] docs/36459 doc tftp(1) manual's "get" syntax/description o [2002/03/29] docs/36524 doc bad links on handbook index page o [2002/04/01] docs/36628 doc header an footer of openssl manpages are o [2002/04/03] docs/36724 doc ipnat(5) manpage grammar is incomplete an o [2002/04/18] docs/37221 doc obsolete reference to seqpacket in mount_ o [2002/04/25] docs/37457 doc acpi(4) man page references non-existant o [2002/04/25] docs/37470 doc jail field not documented in procfs(5) o [2002/05/02] docs/37693 doc Minor correxion to FreeBSD Porter's Handb o [2002/05/03] docs/37719 doc Detail VOP_ naming in a relevant man-page o [2002/05/07] docs/37843 doc manual for pthread_setschedparam is wrong o [2002/05/11] docs/37952 doc Typos, missing/incorrect accents in Itali o [2002/05/15] docs/38117 doc New FAQ entry for memory states o [2002/05/15] docs/38118 doc New FAQ entry for amount of free memory o [2002/05/18] docs/38225 doc change "CDROM" to "CD-ROM" o [2002/05/22] docs/38426 doc extra manpage .Xr to locate relevant sysc o [2002/05/25] docs/38556 doc EPS file of beastie, as addition to exist o [2002/05/27] docs/38620 doc Committers Guide and CVS o [2002/05/27] docs/38647 doc cvsupit built-in instructions are slightl o [2002/05/31] docs/38772 doc firewall_type feature not mentioned on Ha o [2002/06/02] docs/38815 doc Many typo fixed, and a question left unan o [2002/06/02] docs/38817 doc /usr/share/man/man8/boot.8.gz documents / o [2002/06/07] docs/38982 doc developers-hanbook/Jail fix o [2002/06/08] docs/39044 doc The man page for rot13(6) never mentions o [2002/06/10] docs/39129 doc handbook; type WRT simulating postscript o [2002/06/12] docs/39213 doc No rc(4) man page o [2002/06/12] docs/39214 doc No my(4) man page o [2002/06/14] docs/39293 doc the dumpon man page incorrectly states th o [2002/06/15] docs/39348 doc kenv fetch of hostname requires dhcp/boot o [2002/06/19] docs/39530 doc access(2) man page has unnecessarily broa o [2002/06/19] docs/39532 doc 'find' man page should o [2002/06/24] docs/39822 doc firewall.7: change "Mbits" to "Mbits/s" a o [2002/06/24] docs/39824 doc Various tweaks for doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/bo o [2002/07/04] docs/40196 doc man find does not describe -follow o [2002/07/05] docs/40234 doc Typos and language cleanup in /usr/share/ o [2002/07/07] docs/40313 doc Grammar, wording, and clarifications for o [2002/07/10] docs/40423 doc Keyboard(4)'s definition of parameters to o [2002/07/10] docs/40443 doc Update books/faq/book.sgml for USB .ko's o [2002/07/21] docs/40851 doc [PATCH] "mergemaster -p" in UPDATING's "C o [2002/07/22] docs/40910 doc [PATCH] Typos & grammer fixes for /usr/sh o [2002/07/22] docs/40911 doc [PATCH] Minor improvements for /usr/share o [2002/07/24] docs/40952 doc login.conf should mention that "idletime" o [2002/07/26] docs/41034 doc [PATCH] Typos in /etc/named/named.conf co o [2002/07/28] docs/41089 doc pax -B option does not mention interactio o [2002/07/29] docs/41110 doc "apropos linux" doesn't find brandelf o [2002/07/30] docs/41167 doc adventure.6 man-page, add section AUTHORS o [2002/08/02] docs/41263 doc [PATCH] Clarifications and minor grammer o [2002/08/02] docs/41270 doc confusing directions for kernelconfig cha o [2002/08/07] docs/41423 doc Update FAQ: attrib command for windows du o [2002/08/12] docs/41578 doc Incorrect #include in the usb(4) manpage o [2002/08/12] docs/41580 doc usb(4) manpage: Structures' fields aren't o [2002/08/18] docs/41761 doc Update for /ru/internal/ part of site o [2002/08/19] docs/41787 doc man page for route (Section 8) missing de o [2002/08/19] docs/41791 doc Documentation formatting error o [2002/08/19] docs/41807 doc natd -punch_fw "bug" o [2002/08/20] docs/41820 doc Device driver confusion in Handbook (2.3) o [2002/08/21] docs/41879 doc cleanup to DOCROOT/share/sgml/freebsd.dsl o [2002/08/22] docs/41919 doc MINI kernel for bootfloppy (Handbook p.34 a [2002/08/27] docs/42058 doc Documentation: Installing Oracle 8i onto o [2002/09/01] docs/42293 doc copystr(9) man page incorrectly describes o [2002/09/01] docs/42312 doc make release broken without full ports o [2002/09/26] docs/43410 doc hardware-i386.html doesn't even mention p o [2002/09/27] docs/43416 doc pw(8) -u uidmin,uidmax feature is out of o [2002/10/01] docs/43569 doc src/share/examples/worm/README out-of-dat o [2002/10/04] docs/43651 doc stab(5) incorrectly states to include jus o [2002/10/09] docs/43861 doc non-trivial typo in wicontrol man page f [2002/10/09] docs/43864 doc Minor documentation to add o [2002/10/10] docs/43899 doc incorrect info in man page for fetch (8) o [2002/10/11] docs/43941 doc Rationale for Upgrade Sequence o [2002/10/14] docs/44074 doc ln(1) manual clarifications [patch] o [2002/10/18] docs/44217 doc Problematic PDF version of handbook for 4 o [2002/10/19] docs/44296 doc Contributors page refers to History secti o [2002/10/20] docs/44312 doc Typos in /usr/src/share/examples/ipfw/cha o [2002/10/21] docs/44337 doc [PATCH] netstat(1) manual references none o [2002/10/23] docs/44400 doc ipfw(8) has contradictions in bridged and o [2002/10/24] docs/44435 doc sysctl manpage: add example for tcsh o [2002/10/29] docs/44594 doc Handbook doesn't mention drivers.flp for o [2002/11/14] docs/45294 doc LINT notes are murky re PQ_CACHESIZE sett o [2002/11/17] docs/45371 doc man page for exports lacks information on o [2002/11/25] docs/45702 doc Error in manual page ssh_config(5) o [2002/12/02] docs/45940 doc burncd missing info o [2002/12/11] docs/46181 doc "make fetch-recursive" target description o [2002/12/11] docs/46196 doc Missing return value in (set_)menu_format o [2002/12/11] docs/46200 doc fix for ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/porters-handbo o [2002/12/16] docs/46291 doc correlation between HZ kernel config para o [2002/12/16] docs/46295 doc please add information to Nvi recovery em o [2003/01/02] docs/46709 doc tables in terminfo.5 are broken o [2003/01/05] docs/46793 doc DEVICE_POLLING can not be used with SMP, f [2003/01/07] docs/46841 doc Typo in manual page sshd(8). o [2003/01/09] docs/46919 doc setkey(8) references the wrong RFC for ES o [2003/01/14] docs/47085 doc boot(8) manpage is incomplete according t o [2003/01/14] docs/47093 doc FTP(1) man page correction o [2003/01/20] docs/47246 doc gcc man page incorrectly mentions -kthrea 144 problems total. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 27 13:23:58 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C98837B401; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:23:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78FA343ED8; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:23:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([12.242.158.67]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53) with ESMTP id <20030127212349053001sluie>; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:23:49 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0RLLTm9043795; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:21:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h0RLLO3j043792; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:21:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: jojo set sender to swear@attbi.com using -f To: Tom Rhodes Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/47170: xargs(1) manpage has "utility" problems. References: <200301271818.h0RIIXd2052968@freefall.freebsd.org> From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 27 Jan 2003 13:21:23 -0800 In-Reply-To: <200301271818.h0RIIXd2052968@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: Lines: 36 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tom Rhodes writes: > Slightly different version committed. Using command in place of utility is > a little out of tune with how other manual pages read (or should read) > where: > The > .Nm > utility > is used. You mean like the crontab(1) manpage which uses that once, and then uses "this command" 7 times and "The crontab(1) command" once, and which says "FreeBSD General Commands Manual" at the top of the displayed page? ^^^^^^^^ This will find many other examples: find $(manpath|sed s/:/\ /g) | xargs zgrep command /dev/null Even sh(1) says "The shell is a command that [...] executes other commands" after starting out "This utility" and never using it again. Here's a few manpages which begin "The [] command": pkg_which(1), pkgdepfix(1), tk(n), message(n). Now, I don't have a big problem with "utility" if you do a good job un-confusing it with the "utility" argument, but it seems like a tough job. Some manpages use "The ... program"; you might use that to avoid confusion with the "utility" argument (or vice versa?) if you don't like "command". ("Program" is actually better as it doesn't needlessly seem to be classifying programs as utilities, tools, applications, etc. Finally, note that several manpages document a program linked with several filenames. It can be useful to refer to both the program and to the commands which cause the program to run and which are being documented by the manpage. Ideally, programs would not be mentioned in most manpages; they are implementation details. It is commands which should be documented (at least in sections 1 and 8). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 27 14:19:16 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2A837B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:19:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6F243F5B for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:19:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from moble.pittgoth.com ([192.168.0.5]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h0RMJ6Od052068; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:19:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:19:26 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/47170: xargs(1) manpage has "utility" problems. Message-Id: <20030127171926.6b7963b5.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: References: <200301271818.h0RIIXd2052968@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0CUR) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 27 Jan 2003 13:21:23 -0800 swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) wrote: > Tom Rhodes writes: > > > Slightly different version committed. Using command in place of > > utility is a little out of tune with how other manual pages read (or > > should read) where: > > The > > .Nm > > utility > > is used. > > You mean like the crontab(1) manpage which uses that once, and then > uses"this command" 7 times and "The crontab(1) command" once, and > which says"FreeBSD General Commands Manual" at the top of the > displayed page? > ^^^^^^^^ > This will find many other examples: > find $(manpath|sed s/:/\ /g) | xargs zgrep command /dev/null > > Even sh(1) says "The shell is a command that [...] executes other > commands" after starting out "This utility" and never using it again. > > Here's a few manpages which begin "The [] command": pkg_which(1), > pkgdepfix(1), tk(n), message(n). > > Now, I don't have a big problem with "utility" if you do a good job > un-confusing it with the "utility" argument, but it seems like a tough > job. Some manpages use "The ... program"; you might use that to avoid > confusion with the "utility" argument (or vice versa?) if you don't > like"command". ("Program" is actually better as it doesn't needlessly > seem to be classifying programs as utilities, tools, applications, > etc. Actually I like `command' the only thing here was that I didn't really want to remove the .Nm utility which was already there. On another note, I would extremely like to unconfuse the entire utility mess within this manual page! I see how a user can get confused quickly. > > Finally, note that several manpages document a program linked with > several filenames. It can be useful to refer to both the program and > to the commands which cause the program to run and which are being > documented by the manpage. Ideally, programs would not be mentioned > in most manpages; they are implementation details. It is commands > which should be documented (at least in sections 1 and 8). > I like the idea of documenting drivers and kernel functions also though. On an off the wall note, a recent commit removed the NW from disklabel. This may help your patch ;) Thanks for all the comments and help, Gary. -- Tom Rhodes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 27 14:24:33 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA89B37B413 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:24:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (milan.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.144]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C942043F7B for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:24:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@unixpages.org) Received: from gondor.middleearth (gondor.middleearth [192.168.1.42]) by milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09124A91E for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:24:25 +0100 (CET) Received: by gondor.middleearth (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1DCA245D8; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:24:24 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:24:23 +0100 From: Christian Brueffer To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: contributors article patch for review Message-ID: <20030127222423.GL54604@unixpages.org> References: <20030119163653.GW2568@unixpages.org> <20030119222730.GX2568@unixpages.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="R+Rs1qz93vBJxC1z" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030119222730.GX2568@unixpages.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT X-PGP-Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --R+Rs1qz93vBJxC1z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 11:27:30PM +0100, Christian Brueffer wrote: > On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 05:36:53PM +0100, Christian Brueffer wrote: > > Hi, > >=20 > > I would like to hear some opinions about the patch at > > http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/con.diff. > >=20 > > It converts all 'Additional contributors' entries into the form > >=20 > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > This makes the whole thing consistent and gets rid of the linewrappings. > >=20 > > The downside is, that the patch is 203k big, that's bigger than the > > article.sgml itself (181k), repo bloat comes to mind. > > =20 > > On the other hand, the document will only get bigger, so now would > > be a good time for cleanup. > >=20 > > Opinions? > >=20 >=20 > It could/should be extended to convert all entries to that style, > for consistancy. >=20 If there are no objections in the next 24 hours, I'll commit the patch. - Christian --=20 Christian Brueffer chris@unixpages.org brueffer@FreeBSD.org GPG Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc GPG Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D --R+Rs1qz93vBJxC1z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+NbGXbHYXjKDtmC0RAoHOAKC9xl0WvpdrEf0RSOA3cNUnVXPSlwCfc/Ha 8LmcPUDpN7URJ/9lLULH6iw= =QzbP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --R+Rs1qz93vBJxC1z-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 27 15:27:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8737637B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:27:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA81043F79 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:27:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (nosferatu.blackend.org [192.168.10.205]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h0RNRXeo004361; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 00:27:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nosferatu.blackend.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0RNRbSr002631; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 00:27:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@nosferatu.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by nosferatu.blackend.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0RNRVHh002630; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 00:27:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 00:27:31 +0100 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Christian Brueffer Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: contributors article patch for review Message-ID: <20030127232731.GF569@nosferatu.blackend.org> References: <20030119163653.GW2568@unixpages.org> <20030119222730.GX2568@unixpages.org> <20030127222423.GL54604@unixpages.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tjCHc7DPkfUGtrlw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030127222423.GL54604@unixpages.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --tjCHc7DPkfUGtrlw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 11:24:23PM +0100, Christian Brueffer wrote: > On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 11:27:30PM +0100, Christian Brueffer wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 05:36:53PM +0100, Christian Brueffer wrote: > > > Hi, > > >=20 > > > I would like to hear some opinions about the patch at > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/con.diff. > > >=20 > > > It converts all 'Additional contributors' entries into the form > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > This makes the whole thing consistent and gets rid of the linewrappin= gs. > > >=20 > > > The downside is, that the patch is 203k big, that's bigger than the > > > article.sgml itself (181k), repo bloat comes to mind. > > > =20 > > > On the other hand, the document will only get bigger, so now would > > > be a good time for cleanup. > > >=20 > > > Opinions? > > >=20 > >=20 > > It could/should be extended to convert all entries to that style, > > for consistancy. > >=20 >=20 > If there are no objections in the next 24 hours, I'll commit the patch. > Is it mandatory? I mean what it brings to the reader or to the next commits? tags are just like or