From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 2 1: 9:34 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3AE37B401; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 01:09:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B6D443F85; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 01:09:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (nosferatu.blackend.org [192.168.10.205]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h1299Tii053788; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 10:09:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nosferatu.blackend.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1299WUW000616; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 10:09:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@nosferatu.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by nosferatu.blackend.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1299Vq1000615; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 10:09:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 10:09:31 +0100 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Doug Barton Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: suggestion for pgpkeys-developers.html Message-ID: <20030202090931.GA586@nosferatu.blackend.org> References: <20030201195255.D75897@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030201195255.D75897@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 08:10:49PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: > Howdy, > > I added my pgp key to the handbook today, which started me thinking. > (Yeah, I know... dangerous) It would be nice to be able to do something > like > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/pgpkeys-dougb.html > and have it show just my key. I was also thinking that at 108 entries, the > page is a little bulky, so it might be more convenent to have > pgpkeys-developers.html just be the list of developers, with a link to the > key files. And last but not least, it seems that the existing anchor tags > are simply generated sequentially. It might be nice if they were generated > by entity instead, that way they would stay consistent. > It just depends if we want to "display" the keys in the printed version, using links could be a problem for the printed version. > Of course, I have no idea how to do any of this, or if it's even possible. > :) The current complexity of the documentation system has kind of left me > behind. But, if someone is looking for something to do... > I'm currently working on a structure change to put all independant things in /usr/doc/share, the pgpkeys will be concerned aswell. I will look at that problem. Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 2 1:10:13 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC78F37B401 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 01:10:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-relay1.yahoo.com (mail-relay1.yahoo.com [216.145.48.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC5D43F93 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 01:10:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from 12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com (12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com [12.234.22.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail-relay1.yahoo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC838B5FF for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 01:09:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 01:09:58 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Barton To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Interesting mdoc problem from src/contrib/bind Message-ID: <20030202010856.X77226@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> X-message-flag: Outlook -- Not just for spreading viruses anymore! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Howdy, Me again. :) http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=45269 has a good point about the man pages installed as part of src/contrib/bind. If you take a look at src/lib/libisc/Makefile you'll see how they are installed. It would probably be possible to correct the #include line with another sed pattern, but I'm not sure what the best way to handle adding the LIBRARY section would be. That could also be done with sed, but I thought our mdoc experts might have a better idea. Obviously, editing the files off the vendor branch is not an option. I don't mind tackling this one, just let me know. Doug -- If it's moving, encrypt it. If it's not moving, encrypt it till it moves, then encrypt it some more. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 2 1:14:28 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6794837B407; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 01:14:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from 12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com (12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com [12.234.22.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8455C43F79; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 01:14:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from slave.gorean.org (wi83vwrdenqelclt@slave.gorean.org [10.0.0.1]) by 12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h129ENfS077848; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 01:14:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 01:14:23 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Barton To: Marc Fonvieille Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: suggestion for pgpkeys-developers.html In-Reply-To: <20030202090931.GA586@nosferatu.blackend.org> Message-ID: <20030202011046.A77226@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> References: <20030201195255.D75897@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> <20030202090931.GA586@nosferatu.blackend.org> Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-message-flag: Outlook -- Not just for spreading viruses anymore! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 2 Feb 2003, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 08:10:49PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: > > Howdy, > > > > I added my pgp key to the handbook today, which started me thinking. > > (Yeah, I know... dangerous) It would be nice to be able to do something > > like > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/pgpkeys-dougb.html > > and have it show just my key. I was also thinking that at 108 entries, the > > page is a little bulky, so it might be more convenent to have > > pgpkeys-developers.html just be the list of developers, with a link to the > > key files. And last but not least, it seems that the existing anchor tags > > are simply generated sequentially. It might be nice if they were generated > > by entity instead, that way they would stay consistent. > > > > It just depends if we want to "display" the keys in the printed version, > using links could be a problem for the printed version. I considered that actually, but there are other things that have links to follow, right? I would think that for something like this you could simply list all the key pages following the page of links. > > Of course, I have no idea how to do any of this, or if it's even possible. > > :) The current complexity of the documentation system has kind of left me > > behind. But, if someone is looking for something to do... > > > > I'm currently working on a structure change to put all independant > things in /usr/doc/share, the pgpkeys will be concerned aswell. > I will look at that problem. Sweet! This isn't a high priority thing... what we have works, I was just thinking of ways to improve it. How hard would it be to change the anchor links in the existing structure to match the committer entity? I would like to be able to give a link to my key on this page, and since my last name begins with 'Ba' I would probably be safe in using the relative link, but others are not so lucky. Doug -- If it's moving, encrypt it. If it's not moving, encrypt it till it moves, then encrypt it some more. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 2 1:14:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 846A637B401 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 01:14:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7427943F79 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 01:14:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (nosferatu.blackend.org [192.168.10.205]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h129Eaii053856; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 10:14:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nosferatu.blackend.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h129EdUW000642; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 10:14:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@nosferatu.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by nosferatu.blackend.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h129Ecsw000641; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 10:14:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 10:14:38 +0100 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Craig Rodrigues Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Minor grammar fixo Message-ID: <20030202091438.GB586@nosferatu.blackend.org> References: <20030202053955.GA38125@attbi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030202053955.GA38125@attbi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 12:39:55AM -0500, Craig Rodrigues wrote: > Hi, > > Minor grammar fixo for the developers-handbook. > Fixed, thanks. Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 2 1:27: 1 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7457637B401; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 01:26:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E6E43F79; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 01:26:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (nosferatu.blackend.org [192.168.10.205]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h129Quii053930; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 10:26:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nosferatu.blackend.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h129QxUW000692; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 10:26:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@nosferatu.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by nosferatu.blackend.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h129QwUu000691; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 10:26:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 10:26:58 +0100 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Doug Barton Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: suggestion for pgpkeys-developers.html Message-ID: <20030202092658.GC586@nosferatu.blackend.org> References: <20030201195255.D75897@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> <20030202090931.GA586@nosferatu.blackend.org> <20030202011046.A77226@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030202011046.A77226@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 01:14:23AM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: > > > > It just depends if we want to "display" the keys in the printed version, > > using links could be a problem for the printed version. > > I considered that actually, but there are other things that have links to > follow, right? I would think that for something like this you could simply > list all the key pages following the page of links. > My bad :) I see now what you want. It's possible to have the delevoppers list with links to a page with all pgpkeys, which would be quite the same as current situation. > > > Of course, I have no idea how to do any of this, or if it's even possible. > > > :) The current complexity of the documentation system has kind of left me > > > behind. But, if someone is looking for something to do... > > > > > > > I'm currently working on a structure change to put all independant > > things in /usr/doc/share, the pgpkeys will be concerned aswell. > > I will look at that problem. > > Sweet! This isn't a high priority thing... what we have works, I was just > thinking of ways to improve it. > > How hard would it be to change the anchor links in the existing structure > to match the committer entity? I would like to be able to give a link to > my key on this page, and since my last name begins with 'Ba' I would > probably be safe in using the relative link, but others are not so lucky. > If you want to directly "jump" to an existing key, you would have to change: the first with then using in the sgml code to create the link. Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 2 2:22:52 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB0137B401; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 02:22:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6649943F3F; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 02:22:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (nosferatu.blackend.org [192.168.10.205]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h12AMmii054153; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 11:22:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nosferatu.blackend.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h12AMpUW000835; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 11:22:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@nosferatu.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by nosferatu.blackend.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h12AMppO000834; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 11:22:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 11:22:51 +0100 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Doug Barton Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: suggestion for pgpkeys-developers.html Message-ID: <20030202102250.GD586@nosferatu.blackend.org> References: <20030201195255.D75897@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> <20030202090931.GA586@nosferatu.blackend.org> <20030202011046.A77226@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> <20030202092658.GC586@nosferatu.blackend.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030202092658.GC586@nosferatu.blackend.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 10:26:58AM +0100, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > > If you want to directly "jump" to an existing key, you would have to > change: > the first with then using > in the sgml code to create the link. > Using would let us to reach directly the key at http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/pgpkeys-developers.html#PGPKEY-DOUGB I think it would be a great improvement. If you have time to do it for all entries, go on :)) Think about updating comments in README and addkey.sh too. Mail the diffs to that list or someone else from docs for a review. Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 2 2:49:54 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF9FF37B401; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 02:49:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from 12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com (12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com [12.234.22.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4A843E4A; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 02:49:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from slave.gorean.org (udo7lfoo69kntqez@slave.gorean.org [10.0.0.1]) by 12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h12AnhfS078333; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 02:49:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 02:49:42 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Barton To: Marc Fonvieille Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: suggestion for pgpkeys-developers.html In-Reply-To: <20030202102250.GD586@nosferatu.blackend.org> Message-ID: <20030202024233.M77226@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> References: <20030201195255.D75897@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> <20030202090931.GA586@nosferatu.blackend.org> <20030202011046.A77226@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> <20030202092658.GC586@nosferatu.blackend.org> <20030202102250.GD586@nosferatu.blackend.org> Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-message-flag: Outlook -- Not just for spreading viruses anymore! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1620853660-1044182982=:77226" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1620853660-1044182982=:77226 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 2 Feb 2003, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > Using would let us to reach directly the key > at > http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/pgpkeys-developers.html#PGPKEY-DOUGB Ok, here you go. Thanks for the tips! Doug -- If it's moving, encrypt it. 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Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 47806 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Typo in the Developer's Handbook. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Feb 02 03:00:29 PST 2003 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Alexander Pohoyda >Release: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD oak.pohoyda.family 4.7-STABLE FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE #40: Sat Feb 1 20:10:54 CET 2003 apog@oak.pohoyda.family:/usr/src/sys/compile/OAK i386 >Description: "libparanoia" mistyped as "libparnoia". There is a security port named "libparanoia". >How-To-Repeat: On the page http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/secure-bufferov.html search for "libparnoia" string. >Fix: Replace "libparnoia" with "libparanoia". >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 2 3:20:12 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F1F37B401; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 03:20:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED15D43F43; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 03:20:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blackend@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (blackend@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h12BKANS001417; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 03:20:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blackend@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from blackend@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h12BKAvN001413; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 03:20:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 03:20:10 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Fonvieille Message-Id: <200302021120.h12BKAvN001413@freefall.freebsd.org> To: alexander.pohoyda@gmx.net, blackend@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/47806: Typo in the Developer's Handbook. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Typo in the Developer's Handbook. State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: blackend State-Changed-When: Sun Feb 2 03:19:48 PST 2003 State-Changed-Why: Fixed, thanks. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=47806 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 2 3:28:15 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4DBE37B41B; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 03:28:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B79A43FB8; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 03:27:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (nosferatu.blackend.org [192.168.10.205]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h12BRgii054394; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:27:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nosferatu.blackend.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h12BRkUW001532; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:27:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@nosferatu.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by nosferatu.blackend.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h12BRk5S001531; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:27:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:27:45 +0100 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Doug Barton Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: suggestion for pgpkeys-developers.html Message-ID: <20030202112745.GE586@nosferatu.blackend.org> References: <20030201195255.D75897@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> <20030202090931.GA586@nosferatu.blackend.org> <20030202011046.A77226@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> <20030202092658.GC586@nosferatu.blackend.org> <20030202102250.GD586@nosferatu.blackend.org> <20030202024233.M77226@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030202024233.M77226@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 02:49:42AM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: > > Ok, here you go. Thanks for the tips! > The diff seems Ok here. If no one see any objection in the next 24 hours, feel free to commit it. Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 2 5: 0:44 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975DA37B401; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 05:00:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc2-cdif2-5-cust247.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.101.151.247]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E646743F3F; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 05:00:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.12) id 18fJjl-0001sc-00; Sun, 02 Feb 2003 13:00:41 +0000 Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 13:00:41 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Doug Barton Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: suggestion for pgpkeys-developers.html Message-ID: <20030202130041.GA7195@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Doug Barton , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20030201195255.D75897@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> <20030202090931.GA586@nosferatu.blackend.org> <20030202011046.A77226@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> <20030202092658.GC586@nosferatu.blackend.org> <20030202102250.GD586@nosferatu.blackend.org> <20030202024233.M77226@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030202024233.M77226@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> X-message-flag: All your linuxconf-configured redhat are belong to us. X-message-flag-attribution: suresh, sdm. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 02:49:42AM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: > On Sun, 2 Feb 2003, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > > > Using would let us to reach directly the key > > at > > http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/pgpkeys-developers.html#PGPKEY-DOUGB > > Ok, here you go. Thanks for the tips! Looks good Doug. Thanks for doing this. Ceri -- From the dwelling of the Urgrosh I come! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 2 5:12: 8 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9752237B401; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 05:12:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60BD943F75; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 05:12:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-a198.otenet.gr [212.205.215.198]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h12DBuow028052; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 15:11:58 +0200 (EET) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h12DBtBk013441; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 15:11:55 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h12DB268013395; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 15:11:02 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 15:11:02 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Doug Barton Cc: Marc Fonvieille , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: suggestion for pgpkeys-developers.html Message-ID: <20030202131102.GD749@gothmog.gr> References: <20030201195255.D75897@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> <20030202090931.GA586@nosferatu.blackend.org> <20030202011046.A77226@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> <20030202092658.GC586@nosferatu.blackend.org> <20030202102250.GD586@nosferatu.blackend.org> <20030202024233.M77226@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030202024233.M77226@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2003-02-02 02:49, Doug Barton wrote: > > http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/pgpkeys-developers.html#PGPKEY-DOUGB > > Ok, here you go. Thanks for the tips! It builds ok. It links fine. Commit it. I like this change a lot. It makes the links to the individual pgpkeys more `persistent', and easier to remember. The links will work for retrieving the key of, say `dougb', this week, next year and several decades afterwards. Cool! :))) - Giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 2 5:20:27 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E037A37B401; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 05:20:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from 12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com (12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com [12.234.22.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1601843F3F; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 05:20:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from slave.gorean.org (kemsojicza5k0m5w@slave.gorean.org [10.0.0.1]) by 12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h12DKOfS079618; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 05:20:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 05:20:24 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Barton To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: Marc Fonvieille , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: suggestion for pgpkeys-developers.html In-Reply-To: <20030202131102.GD749@gothmog.gr> Message-ID: <20030202051859.L77226@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> References: <20030201195255.D75897@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> <20030202090931.GA586@nosferatu.blackend.org> <20030202011046.A77226@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> <20030202092658.GC586@nosferatu.blackend.org> <20030202102250.GD586@nosferatu.blackend.org> <20030202024233.M77226@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> <20030202131102.GD749@gothmog.gr> Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-message-flag: Outlook -- Not just for spreading viruses anymore! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 2 Feb 2003, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > It builds ok. It links fine. Commit it. Done. Thanks to you and ceri for the review, and Marc for the tutoring. :) > I like this change a lot. It makes the links to the individual > pgpkeys more `persistent', and easier to remember. The links will > work for retrieving the key of, say `dougb', this week, next year and > several decades afterwards. Cool! :))) Hey, I have good ideas now and then. Just don't tell anyone, you'll ruin my rep. Doug -- If it's moving, encrypt it. If it's not moving, encrypt it till it moves, then encrypt it some more. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 2 6:44:32 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6494437B401 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 06:44:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from x1-6-00-20-40-c5-94-a3.k63.webspeed.dk (x1-6-00-20-40-c5-94-a3.k63.webspeed.dk [80.197.0.178]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DFDDB43F3F for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 06:44:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from piekuipers@juno.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by pmail1.netuse.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0IEJlU10938 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 14:44:27 +0000 Received: from relay1o.ripn.net (relay1o.ripn.net [194.85.61.113]) by ns.incotrans.spb.ru (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id gBUCVNQ53061; for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 14:44:27 +0000 Received: from mx1.mail.yahoo.com (unknown [200.60.133.139]) by inferno.brasko.org with HTTP; for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 14:44:27 +0000 Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 14:44:27 +0000 From: "aligar" To: "" Subject: Семинары для бухгалтерии. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <002001c2a4ee$02c91720$7800a8c0@pc120> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Семинар «Налог на прибыль организаций» - 5 февраля. - Признание доходов для целей налогообложения - Признание расходов для целей налогообложения -Арбитражная практика по налогу на прибыль прошлых - возможность использование применительно к гл. 25 НК РФ - Комментарий к Методическим рекомендациям по применению 25 главы части II НК РФ Приказ МНС РФ от 20.12.2002 N БГ-3-02/729 и к ПБУ 18/02 «Учет расчетов по налогу на прибыль» На семинаре выступает МЕДВЕДЕВ Александр Николаевич, к.э.н, главный аудитор ЗАО «Аудит БТ», автора 40 книг и свыше 200 журнальных статей по вопросам бухгалтерского учета, налогообложения и хозяйственного права. Семинар «Налоговый учет. Особенности заполнения налоговых регистров.» 6 февраля. 1.Общие принципы организации и ведения налогового учета в соответствии с главой 25 НК РФ 2. Взаимосвязь бухгалтерского и налогового учета. Отличие бухгалтерского и налогового учета 3. Налоговый учет: 3.1 Сырья и материалов 3.2 Товаров 3.3 Основных средств и амортизации по ним 3.4. Расходов на оплату труда 3.5 Принципы распределения прямых расходов, в соответствии со ст 318-320 НК РФ 3.6 Принцип равномерности признания доходов и расходов в соответствии со статьями 271-271 НК РФ 3.7 Доходов (выручки и внереализационных расходов) 4. Формирование налоговой отчетности. Особенности заполнения налоговых регистров На семинаре выступают: Меведев Александр Николаевич, к.э.н, главный аудитор ЗАО «Аудит БТ», автора 40 книг и свыше 200 журнальных статей по вопросам бухгалтерского учета, налогообложения и хозяйственного права. Климова Марина Аркадьевна, к.э.н., профессиональный бухгалтер, автор книг «Налог на доходы физических лиц», «Как правильно оформить учетную политику организации», «Документооборот в бухгалтерском учете», «Трудовой Кодекс РФ: постатейный комментарий», «Заработная плата: практическое руководство», «Договоры гражданско-правового характера: заключение, учет и налогообложение», СЕМИНАР «Бухгалтерский и налоговый учет основных средств (с примерами заполнения налоговых регистров)» 6-7 февраля Программа семинара 6 февраля: 1. Квалификация основных средств (в том числе проблема основных средств непроизводственной сферы). 2. 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Специфические виды основных средств: «Малоценные основные средства, Библиотечный фонд, Капитальные вложения в арендованные объекты основных средств. 8. Учет доходов и расходов от выбытия основных средств, приходование полезных возвратов, затраты на демонтаж, отражение в отчетности. 9. Полнота учетной политики в области учета основных средств. Выступает ЕФРЕМОВА Анна Алексеевна – автор ряда книг по методологии и практике бухгалтерского учета, в том числе: «Учетная политика: содержание и процесс формирования», «Учет собственного капитала», «Учет основных средств и учетная политика предприятия», «Векселя и варианты» и др., а также многочисленных статей. Программа семинара 7 февраля: 1.Общие принципы организации и ведения налогового учета основных средств в соответствии с главой 25 НК РФ 2. Взаимосвязь бухгалтерского и налогового учета. Отличия бухгалтерского и налогового учета ОС 3. Налоговый учет основных средств и амортизации по ним 4. Формирование налоговой отчетности. Особенности заполнения налоговых регистров Выступает МЕДВЕДЕВ Александр Николаевич, кандидат экономических наук, аудитора в области общего аудита, научного редактора журнала «Бухгалтерский вестник», главного аудитора ЗАО «АУДИТ БТ», автора 28 книг и свыше 200 журнальных статей по вопросам бухгалтерского учета, налогообложения и хозяйственного права. Семинар 7 февраля "Учет затрат на производство и формирование себестоимости продукции" Программа семинара: " Понятие затрат и расходов для целей бухгалтерского учета (комментарии к ПБУ 10/99); первичный учет затрат на производство, распределение прямых затрат по объектам калькулирования (видам продукции); " Способы калькулирования; " Распределение затрат вспомогательных производств, общепроизводственных и общехозяйственных расходов по видам продукции; " Способы учета затрат (формирование полной себестоимости и директ-костинг): понятие затрат периода, порядок списания затрат периода в бухгалтерском учете, влияние директ-костинга на величину финансового результата, критерии выбора и порядок изменения учетной политики; " Нормативный метод учета себестоимости (стандарт-кост): порядок бухгалтерского учета с использованием нормативных затрат, влияние нормативного учета на величину финансового результата, построение аналитического учета, критерии выбора и порядок изменения учетной политики; " Методы оценки незавершенного производства. На семинаре выступает ЕфремоваА.А. заместитель директора Департамента аудита аудиторско-консультационной группы "Развитие бизнес -систем", автор ряда книг по методологии и практике бухгалтерского учета, в т.ч.: "Учетная политика: содержание и процесс формирования", "Учет собственного капитала", "Учет основных средств и учетная политика предприятия", а также многочисленных статей в специализированных периодических изданиях. Семинар «Налог на добавленную стоимость. Сложные вопросы» - 11 февраля. 1. Принципы исчисления НДС: "Выходной НДС" минус "входной НДС" - выходной НДС - что облагается НДС (статья 146 НК РФ): реализация товаров (работ, услуг) на территории РФ что такое "имущественное право" исполнение обязанностей налогового агента по статье 148 НК РФ строительство хозяйственным способом передача товаров (работ, услуг) для собственного потребления ввоз товаров на территорию РФ - "входной" НДС (ст. 171-172 НК РФ) приобретение товаров (работ, услуг) на территории РФ НДС, уплаченный при строительстве хозспособом НДС при передаче товаров (работ, услуг) для собственного потребления НДС, уплаченый на таможне и в бюджет при исполнении обязанностей налогового агента 2. Проблемы с исчислением НДС (строительство хозспособом, штрафные санкции, займы, безвозмездные передачи, недействительные сделки). 3. Проблемы с налоговыми вычетами (отсуствие входного НДС, бартерные операции, экспортные операции, оплата векселями, отсутствие или неправильное оформление счетов-фактур, раздельный учет затрат согласно статье 170 НК РФ при утрате льгот). На семинаре выступает МЕДВЕДЕВ Александр Николаевич, к.э.н, главный аудитор ЗАО "Аудит БТ", автора 40 книг и свыше 200 журнальных статей по вопросам бухгалтерского учета, налогообложения и хозяйственного права. БУХГАЛТЕРСКАЯ И НАЛОГОВАЯ УЧЕТНАЯ ПОЛИТИКА ОРГАНИЗАЦИИ - 12 февраля Часть первая. Учетная политика для целей бухгалтерского учета 1. Учетная политика организации в современной системе бухгалтерского учета Понятие и экономический смысл учетной политики организации. Возрастание роли учетной политики на текущем этапе реформирования учета. Нормативное регулирование учетной политики. Основные экономические принципы, на которых базируется учетная политика организации. 2. Состав учетной политики Рабочий план счетов. График документооборота. Порядок проведения инвентаризации. Формы первичных документов. Техника и технология учетных работ. 3. Раскрытие учетной политики 3.1. Учет основных средств Классификация основных средств. Срок полезного использования. Оценка основных средств. Переоценка. Изменение первоначальной стоимости при модернизации, реконструкции, частичной ликвидации. Ремонт основных средств. Амортизация основных средств. Полнота учетной политики в отношении основных средств. Эффективность учетной политики в части учета основных средств. 3.2. Учет нематериальных активов Оценка нематериальных активов. Срок полезного использования. Амортизация нематериальных активов. Отражение начисленной амортизации в бухгалтерском учете. Эффективность учетной политики в части учета нематериальных активов. 3.3. Учет материально-производственных запасов Оценка материально-производственных запасов при поступлении. Организация учетного процесса формирования фактической себестоимости материально-производственных запасов. Переоценка. Оценка МПЗ при отпуске в производство и выбытии. Способы организации учета наличия и движения МПЗ. Эффективность учетной политики в части учета материально-производственных запасов. 3.4. Учет затрат на производство Калькулирование себестоимости единицы продукции (работ, услуг). Оценка себестоимости готовой продукции. Оценка незавершенного производства и расходов будущих периодов. Учет и распределение косвенных расходов. Эффективность учетной политики в части учета затрат на производство и калькулирования себестоимости продукции (работ, услуг). 3.5. Оценка финансовых вложений Оценка в учете государственных ценных бумаг. Оценка в отчетности акций и иных ценных бумаг других организаций, котирующихся на бирже или на специальных аукционах, резервирование средств под их обесценение. Учет долговых ценных бумаг. Эффективность учетной политики в части учета финансовых вложений. 3.6. Учет валютных ценностей 3.7. Учет продаж Признание расходов на продажу. Признание выручки от продажи. Определение способа готовности работ (услуг, продукции, изделий) с длительным производственным циклом. Оценка эффективности учетной политики в части способов учета продаж. 3.8. Учет расчетов Учет расчетов векселями. Учет расчетов по сомнительным долгам. Учет расчетов по кредитам и займам. Эффективность учетной политики в части учета расчетов. 3.9. Учет договоров (контрактов) на капитальное строительство Часть вторая. Налоговая учетная политика 1. Порядок признания доходов налогоплательщика Классификация доходов в налоговом учете. Порядок определения доходов. Признание доходов. 2. Порядок признания расходов налогоплательщика Классификация расходов в налоговом учете. Порядок определения расходов. Признание расходов. Прямые и косвенные расходы. 3. Материальные расходы налогоплательщика Порядок определения материальных расходов. Оценка материальных расходов. Прямые и косвенные материальные расходы. 4. Амортизируемое имущество и амортизация Амортизируемое имущество, не подлежащее амортизации. Оценка амортизируемого имущества. Классификация амортизируемого имущества. Срок полезного использования. Начисление амортизации. Основные производственные фонды. 5. Оценка незавершенного производства, готовой продукции, товаров отгруженных 6. Расходы, связанные с выбытием имущества. Налоговый учет срочных сделок Особенности определения расходов при реализации товаров. Особенности определения налоговой базы по операциям с ценными бумагами. Критерии отнесения сделок к срочным 7. Резервы налогоплательщика Резерв на гарантийный ремонт. Резерв на ремонт основных средств. Резерв на оплату отпусков работников, выплату вознаграждения по выслуге лет, итогам работы за год. Резерв по сомнительным долгам. 8. Система налогового учета 9. Особенности учетной политики налогоплательщика, имеющего обособленные подразделения На семинаре выступает КЛИМОВА Марина Аркадьевна, к.э.н., доцент кафедры Бухгалтерского учета Московского государственного университета печати, профессиональный бухгалтер, автор книг "Налог на доходы физических лиц", "Как правильно оформить учетную политику организации", "Документооборот в бухгалтерском учете", "Трудовой Кодекс РФ: постатейный комментарий", "Заработная плата: практическое руководство", "Договоры гражданско-правового характера: заключение, учет и налогообложение", "Система налогового учета", "Себестоимость в бухгалтерском и налоговом учете". Семинар "Налоговая политика организации" - 13 февраля 1. Основные цели и задачи налоговой политики. Налоговая нагрузка на доходы и расходы организации. 2. Налоговая политика, как синтез всех "политик" организации (учетной политики, маркетинговой политики, снабженческо-сбытовой политики, кадровой, инвестиционной и др.) 3. Налоговая политика организации в отношении хозяйственных договоров, доходов и расходов, налогового законодательства и арбитражной практики. На семинаре выступает МЕДВЕДЕВ Александр Николаевич, к.э.н, главный аудитор ЗАО "Аудит БТ", автора 40 книг и свыше 200 журнальных статей по вопросам бухгалтерского учета, налогообложения и хозяйственного права. Бухгалтерский учет и налогообложение в СМИ - 14 февраля 2003 г. Особенности бухгалтерского учета в СМИ - Особенности бухгалтерского учета в СМИ: учет авторских вознаграждений; учет давальческих материалов, учет затрат на производство; постановка раздельного учета доходов и расходов в СМИ. Особенности налогообложения СМИ в 2002-2003 гг. - НДС - Налог на прибыль - Налоговый учет в издательской и полиграфической деятельности - Отраслевые особенности трудовых правоотношений ( в т.ч. оплата труда). Налогообложение доходов сотрудников и авторов. - Оптимизация учетной политики в СМИ для целей налогового и финансового учета. На семинаре выступает КЛИМОВА Марина Аркадьевна, к.э.н., доцент кафедры Бухгалтерского учета Московского государственного университета печати, профессиональный бухгалтер, автор книг "Налог на доходы физических лиц", "Как правильно оформить учетную политику организации", "Документооборот в бухгалтерском учете", "Трудовой Кодекс РФ: постатейный комментарий", "Заработная плата: практическое руководство", "Договоры гражданско-правового характера: заключение, учет и налогообложение", "Система налогового учета", "Себестоимость в бухгалтерском и налоговом учете". НОВОЕ В БУХГАЛТЕРСКОМ УЧЕТЕ И НАЛОГООБЛОЖЕНИИ ПОДРЯДНЫХ СТРОИТЕЛЬНО-МОНТАЖНЫХ ОРГАНИЗАЦИЙ, ЗАКАЗЧИКОВ-ЗАСТРОЙЩИКОВ И ИНВЕСТЕРОВ Семинар 14-15 февраля 1-й день семинара 1. Инвестиционно-строительная деятельность в Российской Федерации. Субъекты инвестиционно-строительной деятельности, организационно-правовые формы, лицензирование. 2. Нормативно-правовые документы, регламентирующие инвестиционно-строительную деятельность. Первичные учетные документы. 3. Способы организации инвестиционно-строительного процесса. Строительство подрядным и хозяйственным способами. Сметное ценообразование. Виды договоров, применяемых в процессе реализации инвестиционных проектов. 4. Формирование учетной политики подрядчиков, заказчиков-застройщиков и инвесторов. Влияние условий договоров на учетную политику данных организаций. 5. Особенности бухгалтерского учета генподрядных и субподрядных строительных организаций: учет производственных затрат, выручки от реализации, расчетов за выполнение работы Документальное оформление сдачи-приемки работ. Учет финансовых результатов. 6. Организация учета, классификация, состав и распределение прямых затрат и накладных расходов. Учет незавершенного строительного производства. Введение налогового учета. 7. Особенности бухгалтерского учета заказчиков-застройщиков: капитальных затрат, источников финансирования, сдачи-приемки работ, ввода объектов в эксплуатацию. Формирование инвентарной стоимости законченных строительством объектов. Принятие объектов к налоговому и к бухгалтерскому учету. Реализация (закрытие) инвестиционного проекта. 8. Особенности бухгалтерского учета у инвесторов. Формирование источников финансирования. Расчеты с заказчиками-застройщиками. 2-й день семинара 1.Бухгалтерская и налоговая отчетность предприятий строительного комплекса за 2002г. 2.Заполнение строительными организациями налоговой декларации по налогу на прибыль за 2002г 3.Налогообложение подрядчиков, заказчиков-застройщиков и инвесторов в соответствии с новым налоговым законодательством: " - налог на добавленную стоимость у генеральных подрядчиков; " - НДС с сумм полученных авансов; " - НДС у заказчиков (инвесторов): при строительстве объектов, при реализации (приобретении) объектов незавершенного капитального строительства; " - НДС у заказчиков-застройщиков: по товарам (работам, услугам), приобретенным для выполнения строительно-монтажных работ; при проведении модернизации или реконструкции основных средств; при проведении ремонтных работ " - НДС у застройщиков по работам, выполненным хозяйственным способом. " - налог на прибыль: льгота по налогу на прибыль для малых строительных предприятий; " - налог на имущество объектов, незавершенных строительством; " - налоги, связанные с хозяйственными операциями по выполнению функций заказчика; " - другие налоги. 4. Отдельные вопросы бухгалтерского учета и налогообложения в строительстве: " - обеспечение строительства материалами и оборудование поставки заказчика, подрядчика, давальческими материалами; " - расчеты с использованием возвратных материалов; " - расходы по оплате аренды земельного участка для строительства; " - источники финансирования и затраты на ремонт и реконструкцию действующих предприятий; " - образование резервов предстоящих расходов; " - временные титульные и нетитульные здания, соорухения, приспособления и устройства; " - хозяйственный способ строительства. 5.Сложные вопросы учета и налогообложения при совмещении субъектами инвестиционной деятельности функций одновременно двух и более субъектов: "инвестор-заказчик", "инвестор-генподрядчик", "заказчик-генподрядчик", "инвестор-заказчик-генподрядчик" и др. Заключение и исполнение смешанных договоров. Долевое участие в строительстве. Операции по уступке прав требования (доли инвестирования, жилых квартир и др.) 6. Проведение круглого стола. Ответы на вопросы. Руководитель семинара П.А.Соколов, ведущий аудитор аудиторской фирмы ООО "Информбюро" (г. Москва), автор 15 книг и свыше 100 статей по бухгалтерскому учету, аудиту и налогообложению в строительстве. Хозяйственные договоры: бухгалтерский учет и налогообложение. Налоговые последствия сделок. -17-18 февраля 1. Форма и содержание гражданско-правовых сделок. Правовая форма сделок и их экономическое содержание. Особенности заключения хозяйственных договоров, отражение результатов их исполнения в бухгалтерском и налоговом учетах. Приоритет в бухгалтерском учете экономического содержания над правовой формой. Существенные условия договоров. Договорная политика организации. 2. Особенности бухгалтерского учета и налогообложения отдельных видов договоров: купли-продажи (момент перехода прав собственности; возврат товара; отличия между розничной и оптовой торговлей; формирование скидок т.п.); мены (особенности отражения в учете мены и бартера по ПБУ 9/99 и ПБУ 10/99); аренды (расходы по ремонту, страхованию и содержанию арендованного имущества (включая коммунальные платежи), аренда имущества у физических лиц); безвозмездное пользование имуществом (ссуда); подряд (чем капитальный ремонт отличается от реконструкции и модернизации?); возмездное оказание услуг (особенности учета расходов на обучение, на охрану, на рекламу и на оплату услуг связи); посреднические сделки (поручение, комиссия, агентирование, действие в чужом интересе без поручения); страхование; прочие виды сделок (по желанию слушателей более подробно могут быть рассмотрены любые вида сделок и конкретных хозяйственных договоров). Для более правильного распределения времени отражения каждой сделки. Очень желательно при записи слушателей на семинар интересоваться видами сделок, особенно актуальными для конкретной организации. Таким образом, можно будет заранее более углубленно подготовиться и более подробно остановиться на договорах наиболее интересных слушателем. В ходе семинара хозяйственные договоры рассматриваются с трех позиций: правовой; бухгалтерской; налоговой. Отдельные спорные моменты иллюстрируются примерами из судебно-арбитражной практики как Высшего Арбитражного Суда РФ, так и Федерального арбитражного суда Московского округа. На семинаре выступает МЕДВЕДЕВ Александр Николаевич, к.э.н, главный аудитор ЗАО "Аудит БТ", автора 40 книг и свыше 200 журнальных статей по вопросам бухгалтерского учета, налогообложения и хозяйственного права. СЕМИНАР "Упрощенная система налогообложения, учета и отчетности для малых предприятий в 2003 г." - 25 февраля 1. Упрощенная система налогообложения (УСН). Налоги и сборы, исчисляемые при УСН; в каких случаях организации, перешедшие на УСН, являются налоговыми агентами по НДС, налогу на прибыль и другим налогам; преимущества и недостатки новой упрощенной системы налогообложения. Новое в законодательстве по УСН. 2. Переход на упрощенную систему налогообложения и отказ от нее. Порядок извещения налоговых органов о переходе на иную систему налогообложения. Особенности исчисления налогов при переходе с общей системы налогообложения на УСН и наоборот. 3. Организация бухгалтерского и налогового учета предприятия при переходе на УСН. Налоговые регистры, порядок расчета налога по бюджетам и фондам, льготы при УСН. 4. Порядок признания доходов и расходов в переходный период. Учет стоимости основных средств и сумм начисленной амортизации в переходный период. 5. Единый налог по результатам хозяйственной деятельности. Два варианта исчисления единого налога: объекты налогообложения, налоговая база и налоговые ставки; налоговый период, дата признания и порядок определения доходов и расходов при УСН; расходы, учитываемые и не учитываемые при определении налоговой базы; особенности учета отдельных видов доходов и расходов (расходов на приобретение основных средств и доходов от их реализации; доходов и расходов, выраженных в иностранной валюте; доходов, полученных в натуральной форме); учет убытков предыдущих периодов. 6. Учетная политика субъектов, применяющих упрощенную систему в 2003 г. 7. Отчетность организации, применяющей УСН. Порядок заполнения и сроки подачи налоговой отчетности 8. Особенности трудовых отношений с работниками в организации, применяющей УСН. Семинары проходят в Москве (м. Академическая, 2 минуты от метро пешком). Организатор семинаров Международный центр обучения. Контактные телефоны (095) 207-26-21, 971-61-68 При участии одного человека стоимость дня любого семинара составляет 3 900 руб., с учетом НДС. При участии в 2 семинарах (или 2 человек в одном семинаре) предоставляется 10% скидка, при участии в 3 семинарах (или 3 человек), четвертый – в подарок. При участии в 4 семинарах (четвертый бесплатно) профессиональным бухгалтерам выдается сертификат о прохождении программы ежегодной переподготовки ИПБ в объеме 40 часов. При регистрации сообщите номер членского билета ИПБ и дату уплаты членских взносов. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 2 7:48:58 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE46E37B401 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 07:48:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from arthur.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E9943F79 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 07:48:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@arthur.nitro.dk) Received: by arthur.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 37AA310BF92; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 16:48:45 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 16:48:45 +0100 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Possible error in hubs article Message-ID: <20030202154844.GH5612@nitro.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0ntfKIWw70PvrIHh" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --0ntfKIWw70PvrIHh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello While setting up a local mirror and reading the hubs article I noticed the following : [START] 2.3 Mirroring the WWW pages The best way is, to check out the www distribution from CVS. If you have a local mirror of the CVS repository, it is probably as easy as: % cvs -d /home/ncvs co www" [END] Is this right? I tried it but I got the files used to build the webpage which I assume need to be build like descripbed in chapter 8 ('The Website') of the FDP Primer. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --0ntfKIWw70PvrIHh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+PT3c8kocFXgPTRwRAq7dAJ9EP5QivrEaS//hqCsD3Zt1sXn+QwCgnoX5 ZWhpZTS/Knvm4fP6Uw69Ns4= =WTsu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0ntfKIWw70PvrIHh-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 2 9: 7:43 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3979237B401 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 09:07:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.mmenlinea.net (dup-148-235-13-16.prodigy.net.mx [148.235.13.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B76E43F3F for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 09:07:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fbiqfe@yandex.ru) Received: from User not authenticated [68.54.55.30] by mail1.mmenlinea.net with Novell NIMS $Revision: 2.85 $ on Linux; Sun, 02 Feb 2003 10:48:11 -0600 Reply-To: fbiqfe@yandex.ru From: Деловой английский в Москве To: ВНИМАНИЕ@FreeBSD.ORG, ДЕЛОВЫХ@FreeBSD.ORG, И@FreeBSD.ORG, ЗАНЯТЫХ@FreeBSD.ORG, @ЛЮДЕЙ.FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ДЕЛОВОЙ АНГЛИЙСКИЙ В МОСКВЕ : 251-9405 ZYHIIHMSRP Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:05:20 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20030202170741.6B76E43F3F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ДЕЛОВОЙ АНГЛИЙСКИЙ В МОСКВЕ (251 9405) предлагает для сотрудников компаний программу обучения по следующим предметам: Деловой курс / Intermediate Business English Продвинутый Бизнес курс / Upper Business English Банковское дело и финансы / Banking and Finance Международная деловая юриспруденция / Business Law Наши преподаватели из США, Канады и Великобритании обучают сотрудников в офисах компаний. Качество образовательной программы и обучения гарантируется. Предлагаем также обучение в нашем центре: Звоните по телефону 251 94 05 BUSINESS ENGLISH IN MOSCOW YPLOJJZOLZJNMRQYUUNRUEXRDCXZDHLUORNVRP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 2 10:16: 8 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11AF37B401 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 10:16:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA93143E4A for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 10:16:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mobile.pittgoth.com ([192.168.0.5]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h12IG5vK053025; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 13:16:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 13:16:20 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: "Simon L. Nielsen" Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Possible error in hubs article Message-Id: <20030202131620.202ed2fd.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20030202154844.GH5612@nitro.dk> References: <20030202154844.GH5612@nitro.dk> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 2 Feb 2003 16:48:45 +0100 "Simon L. Nielsen" wrote: > > Hello > > While setting up a local mirror and reading the hubs article I noticed > the following : > > [START] > 2.3 Mirroring the WWW pages > The best way is, to check out the www distribution from CVS. If you > have a local mirror of the CVS repository, it is probably as easy as: > % cvs -d /home/ncvs co www" > [END] > > Is this right? > > I tried it but I got the files used to build the webpage which I > assume need to be build like descripbed in chapter 8 ('The Website') > of the FDP Primer. > > -- > Simon L. Nielsen > Yes, this is correct. www is the main website directory, and below that we have translation directories, ie: en for English. -- Tom Rhodes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 2 11:31:51 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F73B37B401; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 11:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from arthur.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D5E43F75; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 11:31:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@arthur.nitro.dk) Received: by arthur.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0B40A10BF93; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:00:26 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:00:26 +0100 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Tom Rhodes Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Possible error in hubs article Message-ID: <20030202190025.GJ5612@nitro.dk> References: <20030202154844.GH5612@nitro.dk> <20030202131620.202ed2fd.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LKTjZJSUETSlgu2t" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030202131620.202ed2fd.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --LKTjZJSUETSlgu2t Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2003.02.02 13:16:20 -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > 2.3 Mirroring the WWW pages > > The best way is, to check out the www distribution from CVS. If you > > have a local mirror of the CVS repository, it is probably as easy as: > > % cvs -d /home/ncvs co www" > > > > Is this right? > Yes, this is correct. www is the main website directory, and below > that we have translation directories, ie: en for English. So shouldn't the hub article say that building is also required? The way I read it "cvs -d /home/ncvs co www" can be used to get a mirror of the FreeBSD webpages without doing anything else. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --LKTjZJSUETSlgu2t Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+PWrI8kocFXgPTRwRAnM7AJ4gM7d10h37U9Eo7+MHmJjaxZ/mlgCgjAgL pAAbslnQ/vuX+wEYSktkU7E= =ZUEE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LKTjZJSUETSlgu2t-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 2 11:40:15 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A3A37B406 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 11:40:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2EF43F43 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 11:40:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h12JeBNS061300 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 11:40:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h12JeAFT061299; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 11:40:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007D937B401 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 11:31:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from arthur.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7918B43F75 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 11:31:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@arthur.nitro.dk) Received: by arthur.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B8CE710BF97; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:31:55 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20030202193155.B8CE710BF97@arthur.nitro.dk> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:31:55 +0100 (CET) From: "Simon L.Nielsen" Reply-To: "Simon L.Nielsen" To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/47817: [patch] Error in ipfw manpage example Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 47817 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [patch] Error in ipfw manpage example >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Feb 02 11:40:10 PST 2003 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Simon L. Nielsen >Release: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD arthur.nitro.dk 4.7-STABLE FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE #0: Mon Jan 27 23:12:12 CET 2003 root@arthur.nitro.dk:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ARTHUR i386 >Description: The ipfw(8) manpage has an example of using ipfw for a stateful inspection firewall but the example does not work since it is missing the keep-state keyword to actually create the dynamic rules. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- ipfw-man-keep-state.patch begins here --- Index: ipfw.8 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/mirror/freebsd/ncvs/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.8,v retrieving revision 1.119 diff -u -d -r1.119 ipfw.8 --- ipfw.8 12 Jan 2003 03:31:10 -0000 1.119 +++ ipfw.8 2 Feb 2003 19:01:52 -0000 @@ -1212,7 +1212,7 @@ will be allowed through the firewall: .Pp .Dl "ipfw add check-state" -.Dl "ipfw add allow tcp from my-subnet to any setup" +.Dl "ipfw add allow tcp from my-subnet to any setup keep-state" .Dl "ipfw add deny tcp from any to any" .Pp A similar approach can be used for UDP, where an UDP packet coming @@ -1220,7 +1220,7 @@ the firewall: .Pp .Dl "ipfw add check-state" -.Dl "ipfw add allow udp from my-subnet to any" +.Dl "ipfw add allow udp from my-subnet to any keep-state" .Dl "ipfw add deny udp from any to any" .Pp Dynamic rules expire after some time, which depends on the status --- ipfw-man-keep-state.patch ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 2 12:40:41 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4CF237B405 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:40:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0280043F93 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:40:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h12KeENS077911 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:40:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h12KeEB2077910; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:40:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 817E437B401 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:32:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A079F43F3F for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:32:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([12.242.158.67]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51) with ESMTP id <2003020220324705100hri2ue>; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:32:47 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h12KVu5F063867; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:32:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h12KVjp9063862; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:31:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Message-Id: Date: 02 Feb 2003 12:31:45 -0800 From: "Gary W. Swearingen" Reply-To: swear@attbi.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , Adam Weinberger , Oliver Fromme Subject: docs/47818: ln(1) manpage is confusing Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 47818 >Category: docs >Synopsis: ln(1) manpage is confusing >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Feb 02 12:40:13 PST 2003 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Gary W. Swearingen >Release: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE i386 >Organization: none >Environment: n/a ================ >Description: The "ln" manual is confusing. This was cause for a recent -questions thread on the subject where that sentiment was confirmed by several people. Here are some problems: 1) Many newbies aren't familiar with its use of "target", or even with the more common use of the term. 2) The "ls -l" output shows an arrow coming out of the "target" instead of the more natural direction. This is not a problem with "ls", but a problem with "ln" misnaming the argument. 3) The other argument is called "target" by code within the "ln" program itself and by POSIX docs. 4) It's not intuitive that the "source" should be the source of the link (ie, the source of the "arrow") or the source of data when the linked file is accessed -- opposite senses. Better not use the term. 5) The seemingly arbitrary assignment of the terms "source file" and "target file" to the arguments makes their order hard to remember. 6) The order of the two arguments is opposite from their order when output by "ls -l". This is not necessarily bad, but it makes things harder to remember and makes it important that the manual help readers remember the correct order. Good terms and naming is important. 7) The "ls -l" command shows an arrow coming out of the "target", using the old ln(1)'s jargon. Arrows should go into targets. Better yet, keep them in their quiver. (I.e, don't use the esoteric term.) 8) The "apropos" string in the "Name" section doesn't contain the terms "symbolic", "soft", "hard", or the same followed by "link", all of which are likely to be searched for by apropos(1) users. 9) The last sentence of the first paragraph is more noise than help. 10) The -h description is a little confusing about how a "target_file" can point to a directory or how such a link could be followed by ln. 11) The beginning of the description doesn't mention the "link" command. 12) The descriptions could be better organized and otherwise improved. ================ >How-To-Repeat: n/a ================ >Fix: ========================= 1) The names of the command arguments (eg, in the synopsis) are changed to make clear what purpose the arguments serve and to make the command read naturally as a command to the system. ln to_filename from_filename That is, "link to [first] file from [second] file". Of course, with -s, to_filename can be any string and need not refer to a file, but that is a detail better left for the description instead of using an esoteric term like "target" to refer also to an existing filename (without -s). The terms seem less arbitrary than the ln(1)-peculiar meanings of "source" and "target", and are thus more easily remembered. Note that during discussion, it seemed clear to me that any arugment name which contained some form of the word "link" (as then proposed by me and others) caused problems for some people. The proposed names leave the word only in the command name where it is unconfusing. 2) The new synopsis looks like this: ln [-fhinsv] to_filename {... directory_name | [from_filename]} link to_filename {directory_name | from_filename} Note that "filename" is used in the synopses because the argument specifies a filename, but not necessarily a file; with -s, the filename need not refer to a file; if may refer to a directory or to nothing. 3) The description section's use of "source file" and "target file" very-much echo the names of the arguments and so they are easily replaced by new terms, "to filename" and "from filename". 4) Separating the hard and soft link cases was considered, but having five synopsis lines and using more specific argument names (which has its benefits), looked messy/confusing/redundant and gave too much to decypher and think about. 5) Some other descriptions are reworked to improve clarity. Preview results of this patch with something like this: zcat /usr/share/man/man1/ln.1.gz >/tmp/ln.1 patch -s /tmp/ln.1 groff -mandoc -Tascii /tmp/ln.1 | less Patch this: [.\" $FreeBSD: src/bin/ln/ln.1,v 1.11.2.7 2002/08/19 08:14:22 tjr Exp $] with this: --- /pr/work/ln..orig.1 Tue Jan 14 11:29:50 2003 +++ /pr/work/ln.1 Sun Feb 2 11:20:32 2003 @@ -41,65 +41,85 @@ .Sh NAME .Nm ln , .Nm link -.Nd make links +.Nd make hard links and symbolic links (symlinks, soft links) .Sh SYNOPSIS .Nm .Op Fl fhinsv -.Ar source_file -.Op Ar target_file -.Nm -.Op Fl fhinsv -.Ar source_file ... -.Ar target_dir +.Ar to_filename Brq ... Ar directory_name | Op Ar from_filename .Nm link -.Ar source_file Ar target_file +.Ar to_filename Brq Ar directory_name | Ar from_filename .Sh DESCRIPTION The .Nm -utility creates a new directory entry (linked file) which has the -same modes as the original file. -It is useful for maintaining multiple copies of a file in many places -at once without using up storage for the -.Dq copies ; -instead, a link -.Dq points -to the original copy. -There are two types of links; hard links and symbolic links. -How a link -.Dq points -to a file is one of the differences between a hard and symbolic link. -.Pp -The options are as follows: -.Bl -tag -width flag +command creates new directory entries +which generally refer to existing files +so that each file may be accessed by another filename, +possibly in another directory or filesystem. +.\"so that multiple virtual copies of a file can exist +.\"while using storage for only one file. +The +.Nm link +command is equivalent to +.Nm , +except that it must have exactly two arguments and no options; +therefore, it is not described further. +.Pp +Two types of links may be created: +.Em hard links +by default, and +.Em symbolic links +when the +.Fl s +option is used. +Symbolic links are often called +.Em symlinks +or sometimes +.Em soft links . +The two types are described following these option descriptions +(in which the +.Qq from +file (i.e., link) to be created can be +.Ar from_filename +or a file in the +.Ar directory_name +directory): +.Bl -tag -width ".Fl f" .It Fl f -If the target file already exists, -then unlink it so that the link may occur. +If the +.Qq from +file already exists, then replace it. (The .Fl f -option overrides any previous +option cancels any previous .Fl i options.) .It Fl h -If the -.Ar target_file -or -.Ar target_dir -is a symbolic link, do not follow it. This is most useful with the +If +.Ar directory_name +is a symlink to a directory, do not follow it. This is useful with the .Fl f -option, to replace a symlink which may point to a directory. +option, to replace the symlink. +(By definition, +.Ar from_filename +is a file or a symlink to a file, which is never followed by +.Nm . ) .It Fl i Cause .Nm -to write a prompt to standard error if the target file exists. +to write a prompt to standard error if the +.Qq from +file exists. If the response from the standard input begins with the character .Sq Li y or .Sq Li Y , -then unlink the target file so that the link may occur. +then remove the +.Qq from +file so that the link may occur. Otherwise, do not attempt the link. (The .Fl i -option overrides any previous +option cancels any previous .Fl f options.) .It Fl n @@ -109,69 +129,93 @@ .Nm implementations. .It Fl s -Create a symbolic link. +Create a symlink, instead of a hard link. .It Fl v Cause .Nm to be verbose, showing files as they are processed. .El .Pp -By default, -.Nm -makes -.Em hard -links. -A hard link to a file is indistinguishable from the original directory entry; -any changes to a file are effectively independent of the name used to reference -the file. -Hard links may not normally refer to directories and may not span filesystems. +Hard links to a file are indistinguishable from the file and from each other, +except for the filenames; +in fact, each file in a filesystem appears as one or more hard link +directory entries by which the file's data may be accessed. +All of a file's hard links have the same file owner, group, modes, and flags, +and changes made to one effect them all identically, +except that removing one hard link leaves the others uneffected +until the last hard link is removed, removing the file's data too. +A hard link cannot be created for a file on another filesystem nor (with +.Nm ) +for a directory. +(But note that the +.Qq \&. +and +.Qq \&.. +directories appear as hard links.) .Pp -A symbolic link contains the name of the file to -which it is linked. The referenced file is used when an +Symlinks contain the filename of a directory or file +which may be on any filesystem (or which may not exist, +a feature which is sometimes utilized +to store miscellaneous data in a directory entry). +Symlinks to one file may have different owners, groups, modes, and flags, +and are not effected by changes or removal of the file or other symlinks. +.Ss "Command Forms" +.Bl -tag -width "" +.It Nm Ar to_filename +That creates a link to +.Ar to_filename +from +.Ar basename , +where the latter is the base name +.Xr ( basename 1 ) +of +.Ar to_filename . +.It Nm Ar to_filename Ar from_filename +That creates a link to +.Ar to_filename +from +.Ar from_filename . +.It Nm Ar to_filename Ar ... Ar directory_name +That create links to one or more instances of +.Ar to_filename +from one or more corresponding instances of +.Ar directory_name/basename +where +.Ar basename +is the base name +.Xr ( basename 1 ) +of the corresponding +.Ar to_filename . +.El +.Sh "NOTES" +The handling of symlinks by other programs is not well standardized +and tends to be poorly documented for seldom-used cases; +e.g., some follow the symlink if its name is followed by +.Qq / . +See the +.Xr symlink 7 +manpage for some often-followed conventions, +notable exceptions, and related discussion. +.Pp +Hard links are created with +.Xr link 2 . +Symlinks are created with +.Xr symlink 2 . +When used on symlinks, the .Xr open 2 -operation is performed on the link. -A +and .Xr stat 2 -on a symbolic link will return the linked-to file; an +functions operate on the linked-to file, while .Xr lstat 2 -must be done to obtain information about the link. +will access information about the symlink. The .Xr readlink 2 -call may be used to read the contents of a symbolic link. -Symbolic links may span filesystems and may refer to directories. -.Pp -Given one or two arguments, -.Nm -creates a link to an existing file -.Ar source_file . -If -.Ar target_file -is given, the link has that name; -.Ar target_file -may also be a directory in which to place the link; -otherwise it is placed in the current directory. -If only the directory is specified, the link will be made -to the last component of -.Ar source_file . -.Pp -Given more than two arguments, -.Nm -makes links in -.Ar target_dir -to all the named source files. -The links made will have the same name as the files being linked to. -.Pp -When the utility is called as -.Nm link , -exactly two arguments must be supplied, -neither of which may specify a directory. -No options may be supplied in this simple mode of operation, -which performs a -.Xr link 2 -operation using the two passed arguments. +call may be used to read the contents of a symlink. .Sh SEE ALSO +.Xr basename 1 , .Xr link 2 , .Xr lstat 2 , +.Xr open 2 , .Xr readlink 2 , .Xr stat 2 , .Xr symlink 2 , @@ -183,17 +227,17 @@ .Fl n and .Fl v -options are non-standard and their use in scripts is not recommended. +options are non-standard and their omission from scripts is recommended. They are provided solely for compatibility with other .Nm implementations. .Sh STANDARDS The .Nm -utility conforms to +command conforms to .St -p1003.2-92 . .Pp -The simplified +The .Nm link command conforms to .St -susv2 . >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 2 12:47:44 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9707C37B401 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:47:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50D143F93 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:47:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([12.242.158.67]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51) with ESMTP id <2003020220474205100htfhhe>; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:47:42 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h12Kku5F064053 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:46:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h12Kkps2064050; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:46:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: jojo set sender to swear@attbi.com using -f To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: manpage section ordering and mdoc(7) manpage From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 02 Feb 2003 12:46:51 -0800 Message-ID: <6qel6qif5w.l6q@localhost.localdomain> Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The mdoc(7) manpage seems to claim to be the FreeBSD standard for manpages (or at least part of the standard). Is it? Should it be? Specifically, is the order of sections specified by the manpage the FreeBSD standard, which, if violated, calls for a doc PR? For instance, should the mdoc(7) manpage have its own "FILES" and "DIAGNOSTICS" sections re-ordered to match it's own rules? Or should the manpage be modified to sound less like a standard? If it IS the standard, should it be modified to no longer require the "IMPLEMENTATION NOTES" and "RETURN VALUES" sections, a "standard" which is seldom followed as reflected in the manpage's own example template? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 2 14:10:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5697E37B401 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 14:10:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A6FB43F85 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 14:10:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h12MAENS004692 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 14:10:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h12MAEAn004691; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 14:10:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2B437B401 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 14:09:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts14.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4C743FB1 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 14:09:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmagda@magda.ca) Received: from number6.magda.ca ([64.229.179.43]) by tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20030202220909.JRYT23890.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@number6.magda.ca> for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 17:09:09 -0500 Received: from number6.magda.ca (localhost.magda.ca [127.0.0.1]) by number6.magda.ca (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h12M99xb044738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 17:09:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dmagda@magda.ca) Received: (from dmagda@localhost) by number6.magda.ca (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h12M99YI044737; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 17:09:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dmagda) Message-Id: <200302022209.h12M99YI044737@number6.magda.ca> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 17:09:09 -0500 (EST) From: David Magda Reply-To: David Magda To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/47824: auto-create plist chapter should mention X11 mtree file Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 47824 >Category: docs >Synopsis: auto-create plist chapter should mention X11 mtree file >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Feb 02 14:10:14 PST 2003 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: David Magda >Release: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE i386 >Organization: We're orgainized? >Environment: System: FreeBSD number6.magda.ca 4.7-STABLE FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE #0: Fri Dec 27 10:36:12 EST 2002 dave@number6.magda.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNELE i386 >Description: In the Porter's Handbook, Chapter 17 (Automated package list creation) it mentions: [...] Next, create a new set of directories which your port can be installed, and install any dependencies. # mkdir /var/tmp/port-name # mtree -U -f /etc/mtree/BSD.local.dist -d -e -p /var/tmp/port-name # make depends PREFIX=/var/tmp/port-name [...] The mtree(8) line can be misleading. It should be mentioned that BSD.x11(-4).dist should be used instead of BSD.local.dist if you have an X11 application that is being installed -- especially if USE_X_PREFIX is defined (or anything with GNOME or KDE as well). >How-To-Repeat: lynx http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/porting-autoplist.html >Fix: Add a line describing that BSD.x11(-4).dist should be used if you have an X11 application. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 2 17:37:12 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86BF637B401; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 17:37:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from zkzl.poznan.pl (mail.zkzl.poznan.pl [212.126.28.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F41C643F79; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 17:37:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from valentin005@newmail.ru) Received: from 657nj7 not authenticated [24.203.40.206] by zkzl.poznan.pl with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.9 $ on Novell NetWare; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 02:31:14 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Valentin Ivanovich" To: valentin@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Продается завод. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Feb 3 11: 0:48 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2236E37B408 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 11:00:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8567E43FA3 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 11:00:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h13J0eNS040850 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 11:00:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h13J0cFF040823 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 11:00:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 11:00:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200302031900.h13J0cFF040823@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The problem is understood and a solution is being sought. f - feedback Further work requires additional information from the originator or the community - possibly confirmation of the effectiveness of a proposed solution. p - patched A patch has been committed, but some issues (MFC and / or confirmation from originator) are still open. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on, due to lack of information or resources. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested -- or when fixing the problem is abandoned. Critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a [2001/10/31] i386/31671 doc 4.4 installer hangs at " Mounting root fr 1 problem total. Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- s [1999/10/04] i386/14135 doc lpt1 nolonger exists after 3.2-RELEASE s [2000/07/18] docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags o [2001/05/23] docs/27605 doc Cross-document references () o [2002/01/15] ports/33929 doc Section 15.15 of the FreeBSD Porter's Han o [2002/03/06] docs/35620 doc make release fails in documentation for R s [2002/03/08] docs/35678 doc docproj Makefiles for web are broken for o [2002/03/21] docs/36168 doc -pthread/_THREAD_SAFE docs missing in gcc o [2002/04/12] docs/37029 doc The translation in Italian language of th o [2002/08/20] docs/41824 doc LANG is not documented in setlocale(3) o [2002/08/22] docs/41892 doc Patch to fix slowdowns of documentation b o [2002/09/01] docs/42292 doc PPP documentation should use quote marks o [2002/09/02] docs/42339 doc Release process doesn't document required o [2002/09/13] docs/42762 doc ppp.8 has no description of $env and ~use o [2002/10/07] docs/43776 doc /etc/sshd_config settings overridden by P o [2002/11/14] docs/45303 doc Bug in PDF DocBook rendering o [2002/12/02] docs/45948 doc Porter's Handbook doesn't address securit o [2002/12/15] docs/46286 doc there's an omission and an error in the n o [2003/01/01] docs/46674 doc Wrong description of 'list' option for ip 18 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2000/03/01] docs/17104 doc gethostbyname(3) contains a reference to o [2001/02/01] docs/24786 doc missing FILES descriptions in sa(4) o [2001/04/29] docs/26943 doc [patch] description of :C modifier is mis o [2001/05/25] docs/27653 doc Updates to send-pr.html to support MIME o [2001/05/26] docs/27654 doc Update to PR 27653 o [2001/07/04] docs/28699 doc strptime(3) %d format specifier not compl o [2001/07/26] docs/29245 doc top(1) manpage doesn't understand SMP o [2001/08/09] docs/29571 doc [PATCH] No man page for pgrp kernel funct a [2001/08/23] docs/30008 doc This document should be translated, comme o [2001/09/08] docs/30442 doc remove broken referemce to gettime(9) fro o [2001/09/27] docs/30873 doc ``ip'' man page does not specify byte ord o [2001/10/07] docs/31109 doc replace gif images w/ png ones due to pat o [2001/10/09] docs/31164 doc man page for strftime is incorrect o [2001/11/15] docs/32020 doc loader.8 manpage missing tunables o [2001/11/16] docs/32054 doc inconsistency between index.3 and rindex. o [2001/12/01] docs/32425 doc Document cvs update `P file' output o [2001/12/10] docs/32674 doc no man page for the ntp_adjtime system ca o [2002/01/05] docs/33589 doc Patch to doc.docbook.mk to post process . o [2002/01/13] docs/33852 doc split(1) man page implies that input file o [2002/01/14] docs/33877 doc Documentet behaviour of SF_flags for non- o [2002/01/15] misc/33926 doc Search function on website can not access o [2002/02/15] bin/34955 doc [PATCH] ps(1) is out of touch with realit a [2002/02/16] docs/35011 doc There are no commands called "diskless" o o [2002/02/22] docs/35222 doc mailing list archive URL regexp suboptima o [2002/02/26] docs/35343 doc Old broken Unix docco Makefiles o [2002/03/03] docs/35523 doc manpage fixes for df(1) and ls(1) o [2002/03/05] docs/35575 doc Pw(8) man page makes no mention of /var/l o [2002/03/06] docs/35602 doc dump(8)/restore(8) pages don't explain "a o [2002/03/06] docs/35607 doc dump(1) page needs discussion of scary er o [2002/03/06] docs/35608 doc mt(1) page uses "setmark" without explana o [2002/03/06] docs/35609 doc mt(1) page needs explanation of "long era o [2002/03/06] docs/35612 doc ps(1) page "state" description doesn't me o [2002/03/07] docs/35642 doc lo(4) page maybe should document optional o [2002/03/07] docs/35644 doc lo(4) page presumes familiarity with prin o [2002/03/07] docs/35646 doc cp(1) page needs a "Bugs" section. o [2002/03/07] docs/35647 doc www; combine query-by-number and multi-fi o [2002/03/07] docs/35648 doc rc.conf; add note about "flags" to both f o [2002/03/07] docs/35649 doc mount_smbfs(8) page: "See ./examples/dot. o [2002/03/07] docs/35652 doc bsd.README seriously obsolete o [2002/03/08] docs/35686 doc blackhole(4) page seems to contradict its o [2002/03/08] docs/35687 doc /etc/nsmb.conf missing mention of readers o [2002/03/10] docs/35732 doc adduser(8) page has obsolete reference an o [2002/03/12] docs/35823 doc [PATCH] Little Restructuring of the Devel o [2002/03/15] docs/35941 doc cd(4) manual doesn't mention "target" use o [2002/03/15] docs/35942 doc at(1) manual doesn't describe at.allow an o [2002/03/15] docs/35943 doc at(1) config files are misplaced in /var/ o [2002/03/15] docs/35953 doc hosts.equiv(5) manual is confusing or wro o [2002/03/18] docs/36055 doc [PATCH] adding some help-yourself-info to o [2002/03/20] misc/36154 doc Getting USB mouse to work: usbd and mouse o [2002/03/28] docs/36432 doc Proposal for doc/share/mk: make folded bo o [2002/03/28] docs/36449 doc symlink(7) manual doesn't mention trailin o [2002/03/28] docs/36459 doc tftp(1) manual's "get" syntax/description o [2002/03/29] docs/36524 doc bad links on handbook index page o [2002/04/01] docs/36628 doc header an footer of openssl manpages are o [2002/04/03] docs/36724 doc ipnat(5) manpage grammar is incomplete an o [2002/04/18] docs/37221 doc obsolete reference to seqpacket in mount_ o [2002/04/25] docs/37457 doc acpi(4) man page references non-existant o [2002/04/25] docs/37470 doc jail field not documented in procfs(5) o [2002/05/02] docs/37693 doc Minor correxion to FreeBSD Porter's Handb o [2002/05/03] docs/37719 doc Detail VOP_ naming in a relevant man-page o [2002/05/07] docs/37843 doc manual for pthread_setschedparam is wrong o [2002/05/11] docs/37952 doc Typos, missing/incorrect accents in Itali o [2002/05/15] docs/38117 doc New FAQ entry for memory states o [2002/05/15] docs/38118 doc New FAQ entry for amount of free memory o [2002/05/18] docs/38225 doc change "CDROM" to "CD-ROM" o [2002/05/22] docs/38426 doc extra manpage .Xr to locate relevant sysc o [2002/05/25] docs/38556 doc EPS file of beastie, as addition to exist o [2002/05/27] docs/38620 doc Committers Guide and CVS o [2002/05/27] docs/38647 doc cvsupit built-in instructions are slightl o [2002/05/31] docs/38772 doc firewall_type feature not mentioned on Ha o [2002/06/02] docs/38815 doc Many typo fixed, and a question left unan o [2002/06/02] docs/38817 doc /usr/share/man/man8/boot.8.gz documents / o [2002/06/07] docs/38982 doc developers-hanbook/Jail fix o [2002/06/08] docs/39044 doc The man page for rot13(6) never mentions o [2002/06/10] docs/39129 doc handbook; type WRT simulating postscript o [2002/06/12] docs/39213 doc No rc(4) man page o [2002/06/12] docs/39214 doc No my(4) man page o [2002/06/14] docs/39293 doc the dumpon man page incorrectly states th o [2002/06/15] docs/39348 doc kenv fetch of hostname requires dhcp/boot o [2002/06/19] docs/39530 doc access(2) man page has unnecessarily broa o [2002/06/19] docs/39532 doc 'find' man page should o [2002/06/24] docs/39822 doc firewall.7: change "Mbits" to "Mbits/s" a o [2002/06/24] docs/39824 doc Various tweaks for doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/bo o [2002/07/04] docs/40196 doc man find does not describe -follow o [2002/07/05] docs/40234 doc Typos and language cleanup in /usr/share/ o [2002/07/07] docs/40313 doc Grammar, wording, and clarifications for o [2002/07/10] docs/40423 doc Keyboard(4)'s definition of parameters to o [2002/07/10] docs/40443 doc Update books/faq/book.sgml for USB .ko's o [2002/07/21] docs/40851 doc [PATCH] "mergemaster -p" in UPDATING's "C o [2002/07/22] docs/40910 doc [PATCH] Typos & grammer fixes for /usr/sh o [2002/07/22] docs/40911 doc [PATCH] Minor improvements for /usr/share o [2002/07/24] docs/40952 doc login.conf should mention that "idletime" o [2002/07/26] docs/41034 doc [PATCH] Typos in /etc/named/named.conf co o [2002/07/28] docs/41089 doc pax -B option does not mention interactio o [2002/07/29] docs/41110 doc "apropos linux" doesn't find brandelf o [2002/07/30] docs/41167 doc adventure.6 man-page, add section AUTHORS o [2002/08/02] docs/41263 doc [PATCH] Clarifications and minor grammer o [2002/08/02] docs/41270 doc confusing directions for kernelconfig cha o [2002/08/07] docs/41423 doc Update FAQ: attrib command for windows du o [2002/08/12] docs/41578 doc Incorrect #include in the usb(4) manpage o [2002/08/12] docs/41580 doc usb(4) manpage: Structures' fields aren't o [2002/08/18] docs/41761 doc Update for /ru/internal/ part of site o [2002/08/19] docs/41787 doc man page for route (Section 8) missing de o [2002/08/19] docs/41791 doc Documentation formatting error o [2002/08/19] docs/41807 doc natd -punch_fw "bug" o [2002/08/20] docs/41820 doc Device driver confusion in Handbook (2.3) o [2002/08/21] docs/41879 doc cleanup to DOCROOT/share/sgml/freebsd.dsl o [2002/08/22] docs/41919 doc MINI kernel for bootfloppy (Handbook p.34 a [2002/08/27] docs/42058 doc Documentation: Installing Oracle 8i onto o [2002/09/01] docs/42293 doc copystr(9) man page incorrectly describes o [2002/09/01] docs/42312 doc make release broken without full ports o [2002/09/26] docs/43410 doc hardware-i386.html doesn't even mention p o [2002/09/27] docs/43416 doc pw(8) -u uidmin,uidmax feature is out of o [2002/10/01] docs/43569 doc src/share/examples/worm/README out-of-dat o [2002/10/04] docs/43651 doc stab(5) incorrectly states to include jus o [2002/10/09] docs/43861 doc non-trivial typo in wicontrol man page f [2002/10/09] docs/43864 doc Minor documentation to add o [2002/10/10] docs/43899 doc incorrect info in man page for fetch (8) o [2002/10/11] docs/43941 doc Rationale for Upgrade Sequence o [2002/10/14] docs/44074 doc ln(1) manual clarifications [patch] o [2002/10/18] docs/44217 doc Problematic PDF version of handbook for 4 o [2002/10/19] docs/44296 doc Contributors page refers to History secti o [2002/10/20] docs/44312 doc Typos in /usr/src/share/examples/ipfw/cha o [2002/10/21] docs/44337 doc [PATCH] netstat(1) manual references none o [2002/10/23] docs/44400 doc ipfw(8) has contradictions in bridged and o [2002/10/24] docs/44435 doc sysctl manpage: add example for tcsh o [2002/10/29] docs/44594 doc Handbook doesn't mention drivers.flp for o [2002/11/14] docs/45294 doc LINT notes are murky re PQ_CACHESIZE sett o [2002/11/17] docs/45371 doc man page for exports lacks information on o [2002/11/25] docs/45702 doc Error in manual page ssh_config(5) o [2002/12/02] docs/45940 doc burncd missing info o [2002/12/11] docs/46181 doc "make fetch-recursive" target description o [2002/12/11] docs/46196 doc Missing return value in (set_)menu_format o [2002/12/11] docs/46200 doc fix for ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/porters-handbo o [2002/12/16] docs/46291 doc correlation between HZ kernel config para o [2002/12/16] docs/46295 doc please add information to Nvi recovery em o [2003/01/02] docs/46709 doc tables in terminfo.5 are broken o [2003/01/05] docs/46793 doc DEVICE_POLLING can not be used with SMP, f [2003/01/07] docs/46841 doc Typo in manual page sshd(8). o [2003/01/09] docs/46919 doc setkey(8) references the wrong RFC for ES o [2003/01/14] docs/47085 doc boot(8) manpage is incomplete according t o [2003/01/14] docs/47093 doc FTP(1) man page correction o [2003/01/20] docs/47246 doc gcc man page incorrectly mentions -kthrea o [2003/01/27] docs/47575 doc Clarify requirements for IPFW2 in STABLE o [2003/01/28] docs/47594 doc [PATH] passwd(5) incorrectly states allow o [2003/01/30] docs/47690 doc builtin(1) manpage is wrong about externa o [2003/01/30] docs/47705 doc wc(1) manpage has poor explanations. o [2003/01/31] docs/47767 doc daemon(8) manpage from RELENG_4_7_0 says o [2003/02/01] docs/47792 doc www/news/news.xml translated to .de o [2003/02/02] docs/47817 doc [patch] Error in ipfw manpage example o [2003/02/02] docs/47818 doc ln(1) manpage is confusing o [2003/02/02] docs/47824 doc auto-create plist chapter should mention 152 problems total. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Feb 3 11:48:19 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242B137B401; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 11:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from naund.org (hal9000.naund.org [64.173.142.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98AD543F75; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 11:48:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@naund.org) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by naund.org (8.11.6/8.11.6-20011206ao) id h13JmGT21680; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 11:48:16 -0800 Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 11:48:16 -0800 From: Andreas Ott To: www@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: Andreas Ott Subject: 404 http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.8R/qa.html Message-ID: <20030203114816.V1428@naund.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I just wanted to see the upcoming 4.8 Release schedule and clicked on the 'testing guide' qa link. It then gave me the following 404. Please fix as time permits. Thanks, andreas Navigation Bar FreeBSD.org - Document not found The file http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.8R/qa.html does not exist at this server. You are coming from http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.8R/schedule.html. The closest match to your request is http://www.FreeBSD.org. Please contact the members of the FreeBSD Documentation Project or the server administrator www@freebsd.org. Please try our Site Map or Search Page Thank you very much! www@FreeBSD.org -- Andreas Ott andreas@naund.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Feb 3 17:37:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1525437B401; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 17:37:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6357E43F3F; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 17:37:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brueffer@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (brueffer@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h141bHNS059519; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 17:37:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brueffer@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from brueffer@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h141bGuT059515; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 02:37:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 02:37:16 +0100 (CET) From: Christian Brueffer Message-Id: <200302040137.h141bGuT059515@freefall.freebsd.org> To: simon@nitro.dk, brueffer@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/47817: [patch] Error in ipfw manpage example Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [patch] Error in ipfw manpage example State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: brueffer State-Changed-When: Tue Feb 4 02:36:56 CET 2003 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=47817 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 2: 7:54 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370A437B401; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 02:07:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (www.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5BE243FAF; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 02:07:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eugen@kuzbass.ru) Received: from kuzbass.ru (kost [213.184.65.82]) by www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h14A7pq5055614; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:07:51 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from eugen@kuzbass.ru) Message-ID: <3E3F90CB.569B22AC@kuzbass.ru> Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 17:07:07 +0700 From: Eugene Grosbein Organization: SVZServ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bug-followup@freebsd.org Cc: docs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kern/33833: Correct kernel config for 4.4-RELEASE is incorrect for 4.5-RC1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! The problem is still here at the time of 4.7-STABLE: dummynet(4) still does not note in 'KERNEL OPTION' section that 'pseudo-device ether' is mandatory for dummynet even for PPP-only operations. Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 2:16:19 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD75337B401; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 02:16:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.macomnet.ru (relay.macomnet.ru [195.128.64.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67CBC43F75; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 02:16:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from maxim@FreeBSD.org) Received: from news1.macomnet.ru (news1.macomnet.ru [195.128.64.14]) by relay.macomnet.ru (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h14AGDs10477311; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:16:13 +0300 (MSK) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:16:13 +0300 (MSK) From: Maxim Konovalov To: Eugene Grosbein Cc: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, docs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: kern/33833: Correct kernel config for 4.4-RELEASE is incorrect for 4.5-RC1 In-Reply-To: <3E3F90CB.569B22AC@kuzbass.ru> Message-ID: <20030204131422.H59393@news1.macomnet.ru> References: <3E3F90CB.569B22AC@kuzbass.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 17:07+0700, Feb 4, 2003, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > Hi! > > The problem is still here at the time of 4.7-STABLE: > dummynet(4) still does not note in 'KERNEL OPTION' section > that 'pseudo-device ether' is mandatory for dummynet > even for PPP-only operations. > > Eugene Grosbein I believe it is a bug in dummynet code. See a related PR, kern/37261. -- Maxim Konovalov, maxim@macomnet.ru, maxim@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 4:21:33 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97ABE37B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 04:21:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.linux-new-media.de (mail.linux-new-media.de [62.245.157.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5A543F79 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 04:21:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from agrytz@linux-user.de) Received: from localhost (mail.linux-new-media.de [62.245.157.204]) by mail.linux-new-media.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3212515BD5 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:21:13 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:21:11 +0100 From: Andreas Grytz To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Contact Information Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: Linux New Media AG Message-Id: <20030204122113.3212515BD5@mail.linux-new-media.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, we have a short clipping about FreeBSD in upcoming german Linux-Magazin. Please send me an snail mail adress (in Germany?) and we will send you a copy. FreeBSD was also Feature in two issues of german LinuxUser (Installation and Configuration). 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To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: piecemeal articles From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 20:46:24 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090014 (Oort Gnus v0.14) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I understand the need for splitting up the handbook into multiple html files, but why the articles? As an author, I find it extremely inconvenient to have to click back and forth to proofread my articles. Surely most of them are short enough to be presented in a single file? DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 11:55: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 061B437B405 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:55:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr4.ruhr.de [212.23.134.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 77CC943F3F for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:55:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 7050 invoked by uid 10); 4 Feb 2003 19:48:20 -0000 Received: from nathan.internal (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nathan.internal (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h14JkL0a085847 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:46:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ue@nathan.internal) Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.internal (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h14JkKYR085846 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:46:20 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:46:20 +0100 From: Udo Erdelhoff To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Possible error in hubs article Message-ID: <20030204194620.GB64761@nathan.ruhr.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20030202154844.GH5612@nitro.dk> <20030202131620.202ed2fd.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030202190025.GJ5612@nitro.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030202190025.GJ5612@nitro.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 08:00:26PM +0100, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > On 2003.02.02 13:16:20 -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > > 2.3 Mirroring the WWW pages > > > The best way is, to check out the www distribution from CVS. If you > > > have a local mirror of the CVS repository, it is probably as easy as: > > > % cvs -d /home/ncvs co www" > > > > > > Is this right? > > Yes, this is correct. www is the main website directory, and below > > that we have translation directories, ie: en for English. > So shouldn't the hub article say that building is also required? > > The way I read it "cvs -d /home/ncvs co www" can be used to get a mirror > of the FreeBSD webpages without doing anything else. That's my impression as well. And I know (from painfull experience) that just checking out www is not enough to have or even build the web pages. Basically, you need copies of the src, www, and doc repos (not the checked out versions, the repositories themselves), a copy of the webupdate script adapted to your environment, some CPU and wall clock time, and about 550 Megs of disk space. Am there, doing that, and the scars are about to form :) /s/Udo -- Enjoy the beauty and power of root To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 11:55: 9 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D44637B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:55:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr4.ruhr.de [212.23.134.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2CFC443E4A for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:55:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 7042 invoked by uid 10); 4 Feb 2003 19:48:19 -0000 Received: from nathan.internal (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nathan.internal (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h14Je70a085816 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:40:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ue@nathan.internal) Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.internal (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h14Je6D2085810 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:40:06 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:40:06 +0100 From: Udo Erdelhoff To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: suggestion for pgpkeys-developers.html Message-ID: <20030204194006.GA64761@nathan.ruhr.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20030201195255.D75897@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> <20030202090931.GA586@nosferatu.blackend.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030202090931.GA586@nosferatu.blackend.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 10:09:31AM +0100, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > It just depends if we want to "display" the keys in the printed version, > using links could be a problem for the printed version. the printed handbook (i.e. the actual book sold by WindRiver) only has the key id and the fingerprint, not the actual key itself. And this variation was done by some fiddling with style sheets, IIRC. The change that has gone in by now only adds id tags to each element, which does not modify the way the element is displayed. I think it is a great thing. And the option to answer the question for my PGP key with an RTFM... /s/Udo (grinning) -- I have the heart of an innocent child -- in a small jar on my desk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 12:13:59 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C078337B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:13:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc2-cdif2-5-cust247.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.101.151.247]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0AD43FB9 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:13:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.12) id 18g9Rv-000GsN-00; Tue, 04 Feb 2003 20:13:43 +0000 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:13:43 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: piecemeal articles Message-ID: <20030204201343.GA3311@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , doc@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-message-flag: All your linuxconf-configured redhat are belong to us. X-message-flag-attribution: suresh, sdm. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 08:46:24PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > I understand the need for splitting up the handbook into multiple html > files, but why the articles? As an author, I find it extremely > inconvenient to have to click back and forth to proofread my articles. > Surely most of them are short enough to be presented in a single file? How do you normally build them ? Running just "make" in doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/ should build them all with one file per article. FORMATS=html is the key. Ceri -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 12:17:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7664537B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:17:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF7F43F85 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:17:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id C84A4536F; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:17:21 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Ceri Davies Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: piecemeal articles From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 21:17:20 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20030204201343.GA3311@submonkey.net> (Ceri Davies's message of "Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:13:43 +0000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090014 (Oort Gnus v0.14) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) References: <20030204201343.GA3311@submonkey.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ceri Davies writes: > On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 08:46:24PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > I understand the need for splitting up the handbook into multiple html > > files, but why the articles? > How do you normally build them ? > Running just "make" in doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/ should build them all > with one file per article. I was thinking about those on www.freebsd.org, not the ones I build myself. If I get lost reading my own articles, I don't expect our users to fare much better. Sorry for not expressing myself better. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 12:18:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B77A37B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:18:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr4.ruhr.de [212.23.134.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5CA3243F75 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:18:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 8730 invoked by uid 10); 4 Feb 2003 20:18:20 -0000 Received: from nathan.internal (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nathan.internal (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h14KF70a086864 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:15:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ue@nathan.internal) Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.internal (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h14KF7S8086863 for doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:15:07 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:15:07 +0100 From: Udo Erdelhoff To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: piecemeal articles Message-ID: <20030204201507.GA86389@nathan.ruhr.de> Mail-Followup-To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 08:46:24PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > I understand the need for splitting up the handbook into multiple html > files, but why the articles? As an author, I find it extremely > inconvenient to have to click back and forth to proofread my articles. > Surely most of them are short enough to be presented in a single file? Some are, some are not - that's why all of them should be available as both html and html-split. You can get the one-file version by using article.html instead of index.html (or just giving the directory). /s/Udo -- Eat the rich -- the poor are tough and stringy. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 12:32:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4AE37B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:32:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (eos.ocn.ne.jp [211.6.83.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F4BB43F85 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:32:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp) Received: from mail.allbsd.org (p39026-adsao12honb4-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp [219.161.136.26]) by smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31562333F; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 05:32:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (alph.allbsd.org [192.168.0.10]) by mail.allbsd.org (8.12.6/3.7W/DomainMaster) with ESMTP id h14KVlJ8086911; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 05:31:47 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 05:31:29 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20030205.053129.78764236.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> To: des@ofug.org Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: piecemeal articles From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <20030204201507.GA86389@nathan.ruhr.de> References: <20030204201507.GA86389@nathan.ruhr.de> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 2.2 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote in : des> I understand the need for splitting up the handbook into multiple html des> files, but why the articles? As an author, I find it extremely des> inconvenient to have to click back and forth to proofread my articles. des> Surely most of them are short enough to be presented in a single file? Udo already pointed out, you can read an article as a single file, specifying "article.html" explicitly. For example: - splitted html version: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/index.html - single html version: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/article.html I do not know why splitted html version is by default, but it is reasonable for many readers because some articles are short and some are long, and the readers can choose single or splitted version by preference. Hmmm... How about adding an anchor to the single html version into the title page of the splitted version (and vise versa)? -- | Hiroki SATO / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 12:49: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E824A37B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:49:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from eeoth.pair.com (eeoth.pair.com [209.68.1.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 75E7243FA3 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:49:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from whizkid@eeoth.pair.com) Received: (qmail 16872 invoked by uid 3033); 4 Feb 2003 20:49:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:49:05 -0600 From: "G. Adam Stanislav" To: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Error in the handbook Message-ID: <20030204204905.GA14401@eeoth.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I believe there is an error in the FreeBSD Handbook, section 2.13.4, Installing from an MS-DOS Partition: "Each distribution is in its own directory; for example, the bin distribution can be found in the 5.0/bin/ directory" It should say the base distribution can be found in the 5.0/base/ directory, that is, where it is saying "bin" it should now be saying "base" (either that, or the ftp site is confused :-) ). Cheers, Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 12:51:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3DA237B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:51:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0218343FC1 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:51:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 2A970536E; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:51:16 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Ceri Davies Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: piecemeal articles From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 21:51:15 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20030204201343.GA3311@submonkey.net> (Ceri Davies's message of "Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:13:43 +0000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090014 (Oort Gnus v0.14) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) References: <20030204201343.GA3311@submonkey.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ceri Davies writes: > Running just "make" in doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/ should build them all > with one file per article. BTW, des@des ~/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam% make "/home/des/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/../../../share/mk/doc.docbook.mk", line 2: warning: duplicate script for target "install-html-split.tar.gz" ignored "/home/des/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/../../../share/mk/doc.docbook.mk", line 3: warning: duplicate script for target "install-html-split.tar.gz" ignored "/home/des/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/../../../share/mk/doc.docbook.mk", line 2: warning: duplicate script for target "install-html-split.tar.bz2" ignored "/home/des/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/../../../share/mk/doc.docbook.mk", line 3: warning: duplicate script for target "install-html-split.tar.bz2" ignored "/home/des/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/../../../share/mk/doc.docbook.mk", line 2: warning: duplicate script for target "install-html-split.tar.zip" ignored "/home/des/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/../../../share/mk/doc.docbook.mk", line 3: warning: duplicate script for target "install-html-split.tar.zip" ignored "/usr/share/mk/bsd.subdir.mk", line 8: warning: duplicate script for target "files" ignored "/usr/share/mk/bsd.subdir.mk", line 8: warning: duplicate script for target "includes" ignored ...and then it goes on to build fine. Is this intentional? DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 13: 2:54 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07CB037B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:02:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5284143F9B for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:02:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 0FB495371; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 22:02:50 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Hiroki Sato Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: piecemeal articles From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 22:02:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20030205.053129.78764236.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> (Hiroki Sato's message of "Wed, 05 Feb 2003 05:31:29 +0900 (JST)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090014 (Oort Gnus v0.14) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) References: <20030204201507.GA86389@nathan.ruhr.de> <20030205.053129.78764236.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hiroki Sato writes: > Udo already pointed out, you can read an article as a single file, > specifying "article.html" explicitly. For example: Ah! Thanks. > Hmmm... How about adding an anchor to the single html version into > the title page of the splitted version (and vise versa)? Sounds like a good idea, if it can be done cleanly. The split version is pretty useless for printing, for instance. BTW, as regards the PAM article, the legal notice (which I am required by contract to include in the article) is missing from the split version. To me, that alone is a very strong argument for having the unsplit version be the default. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 13: 4:54 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A1337B401; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:04:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6076643F75; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:04:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mobile.pittgoth.com (acs-24-154-229-196.zoominternet.net [24.154.229.196]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h14L4jvK044903; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 16:04:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 16:05:04 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: setantae@submonkey.net, doc@FreeBSD.org, blackend@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: piecemeal articles Message-Id: <20030204160504.6a66b638.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20030204201343.GA3311@submonkey.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 04 Feb 2003 21:51:15 +0100 Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Ceri Davies writes: > > Running just "make" in doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/ should build > > them all with one file per article. > > BTW, > > des@des ~/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam% make > "/home/des/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/../../../share/mk > /doc.docbook.mk", line 2: warning: duplicate script for target > "install-html-split.tar.gz" > ignored"/home/des/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/../../../s > hare/mk/doc.docbook.mk", line 3: warning: duplicate script for target > "install-html-split.tar.gz" > ignored"/home/des/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/../../../s > hare/mk/doc.docbook.mk", line 2: warning: duplicate script for target > "install-html-split.tar.bz2" > ignored"/home/des/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/../../../s > hare/mk/doc.docbook.mk", line 3: warning: duplicate script for target > "install-html-split.tar.bz2" > ignored"/home/des/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/../../../s > hare/mk/doc.docbook.mk", line 2: warning: duplicate script for target > "install-html-split.tar.zip" > ignored"/home/des/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/../../../s > hare/mk/doc.docbook.mk", line 3: warning: duplicate script for target > "install-html-split.tar.zip" ignored"/usr/share/mk/bsd.subdir.mk", > line 8: warning: duplicate script for target "files" > ignored"/usr/share/mk/bsd.subdir.mk", line 8: warning: duplicate > script for target "includes" ignored > > ...and then it goes on to build fine. > > Is this intentional? > No. By the way, I get this also, I think its due to a commit made by blackend, however I havn't asked him. Marc, could you look at this please? -- Tom Rhodes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 13:14: 5 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0E837B401; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:14:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B5943F43; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:14:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 682F0536E; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 22:14:02 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Tom Rhodes Cc: setantae@submonkey.net, doc@FreeBSD.org, blackend@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: piecemeal articles From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 22:14:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20030204160504.6a66b638.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> (Tom Rhodes's message of "Tue, 4 Feb 2003 16:05:04 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090014 (Oort Gnus v0.14) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) References: <20030204201343.GA3311@submonkey.net> <20030204160504.6a66b638.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tom Rhodes writes: > Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > "/home/des/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/../../../share/mk > > /doc.docbook.mk", line 2: warning: duplicate script for target > > "install-html-split.tar.gz" > > [...] > > Is this intentional? > No. By the way, I get this also, I think its due to a commit made > by blackend, however I havn't asked him. In case anyone's wondering, the line numbers are bogus - they're relative to the top of the loop or conditional or whatever that contains the erroneous code. I tried hacking make to show the real line number, but gave up. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 13:26:20 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257F737B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:26:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc2-cdif2-5-cust247.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.101.151.247]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A312D43FA7 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:26:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.12) id 18gAa7-0000AC-00; Tue, 04 Feb 2003 21:26:15 +0000 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:26:15 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: piecemeal articles Message-ID: <20030204212615.GA449@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20030204201507.GA86389@nathan.ruhr.de> <20030205.053129.78764236.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:02:49PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Hiroki Sato writes: > > Udo already pointed out, you can read an article as a single file, > > specifying "article.html" explicitly. For example: > > Ah! Thanks. > > > Hmmm... How about adding an anchor to the single html version into > > the title page of the splitted version (and vise versa)? > > Sounds like a good idea, if it can be done cleanly. The split version > is pretty useless for printing, for instance. > > BTW, as regards the PAM article, the legal notice (which I am required > by contract to include in the article) is missing from the split > version. To me, that alone is a very strong argument for having the > unsplit version be the default. Hmm, it *is* there, you just have to click on the word "Copyright" to see it. That may be not be good enough is what I guess you're saying though. Ceri -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 13:26:57 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2913637B401; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:26:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (eos.ocn.ne.jp [211.6.83.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D7943F93; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:26:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp) Received: from mail.allbsd.org (p39026-adsao12honb4-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp [219.161.136.26]) by smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AEC927FA; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 06:26:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (alph.allbsd.org [192.168.0.10]) by mail.allbsd.org (8.12.6/3.7W/DomainMaster) with ESMTP id h14LFdJ8087174; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 06:15:40 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 06:15:14 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20030205.061514.39210622.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> To: trhodes@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, blackend@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: piecemeal articles From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <20030204160504.6a66b638.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> References: <20030204201343.GA3311@submonkey.net> <20030204160504.6a66b638.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 2.2 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tom Rhodes wrote in <20030204160504.6a66b638.trhodes@FreeBSD.org>: trhodes> No. By the way, I get this also, I think its due to a commit made trhodes> by blackend, however I havn't asked him. I am also suffering from it, but it is happened on 5.X, and does not on 4.X. -- | Hiroki SATO / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 13:28:29 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE1637B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:28:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0125743F75 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:28:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 3D2B7536E; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 22:28:26 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Ceri Davies Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: piecemeal articles From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 22:28:25 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20030204212615.GA449@submonkey.net> (Ceri Davies's message of "Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:26:15 +0000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090014 (Oort Gnus v0.14) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) References: <20030204201507.GA86389@nathan.ruhr.de> <20030205.053129.78764236.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20030204212615.GA449@submonkey.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ceri Davies writes: > On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:02:49PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > BTW, as regards the PAM article, the legal notice (which I am required > > by contract to include in the article) is missing from the split > > version. > Hmm, it *is* there, you just have to click on the word "Copyright" to see it. > That may be not be good enough is what I guess you're saying though. I'd rather have it inline like in the unsplit version - but if that takes too much work I won't split hairs :) DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 13:35:28 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F88837B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:35:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc2-cdif2-5-cust247.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.101.151.247]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABCD143F93 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:35:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.12) id 18gAiz-0000G6-00; Tue, 04 Feb 2003 21:35:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:35:25 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: piecemeal articles Message-ID: <20030204213525.GB449@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , doc@freebsd.org References: <20030204201343.GA3311@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 09:51:15PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Ceri Davies writes: > > Running just "make" in doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/ should build them all > > with one file per article. > > BTW, > > des@des ~/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam% make > "/home/des/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/../../../share/mk/doc.docbook.mk", line 2: warning: duplicate script for target "install-html-split.tar.gz" ignored > "/home/des/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/../../../share/mk/doc.docbook.mk", line 3: warning: duplicate script for target "install-html-split.tar.gz" ignored > "/home/des/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/../../../share/mk/doc.docbook.mk", line 2: warning: duplicate script for target "install-html-split.tar.bz2" ignored > "/home/des/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/../../../share/mk/doc.docbook.mk", line 3: warning: duplicate script for target "install-html-split.tar.bz2" ignored > "/home/des/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/../../../share/mk/doc.docbook.mk", line 2: warning: duplicate script for target "install-html-split.tar.zip" ignored > "/home/des/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/../../../share/mk/doc.docbook.mk", line 3: warning: duplicate script for target "install-html-split.tar.zip" ignored > "/usr/share/mk/bsd.subdir.mk", line 8: warning: duplicate script for target "files" ignored > "/usr/share/mk/bsd.subdir.mk", line 8: warning: duplicate script for target "includes" ignored > > ...and then it goes on to build fine. > > Is this intentional? I'm not seeing this with a clean tree, even with "make install-html-split.tar.gz". Do you have FORMATS defined to anything other than the default ? Ceri -- Remember the hills of the clansmen! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 13:43:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3365037B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:43:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C4043F79 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:43:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id C63FD536E; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 22:43:34 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Ceri Davies Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: piecemeal articles From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 22:43:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20030204213525.GB449@submonkey.net> (Ceri Davies's message of "Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:35:25 +0000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090014 (Oort Gnus v0.14) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) References: <20030204201343.GA3311@submonkey.net> <20030204213525.GB449@submonkey.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ceri Davies writes: > I'm not seeing this with a clean tree, even with "make install-html-split.tar.gz". > Do you have FORMATS defined to anything other than the default ? No: des@des ~/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam% make -VFORMATS 2>/dev/null html DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 13:48:24 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4911C37B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:48:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr4.ruhr.de [212.23.134.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CE37443F93 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:48:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 13188 invoked by uid 10); 4 Feb 2003 21:48:20 -0000 Received: from nathan.internal (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nathan.internal (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h14Lkj0a088160 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 22:46:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ue@nathan.internal) Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.internal (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h14LkjPK088159 for doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 22:46:45 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 22:46:45 +0100 From: Udo Erdelhoff To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: piecemeal articles Message-ID: <20030204214645.GB86389@nathan.ruhr.de> Mail-Followup-To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20030204201507.GA86389@nathan.ruhr.de> <20030205.053129.78764236.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20030204212615.GA449@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:28:25PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Ceri Davies writes: > > On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:02:49PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > BTW, as regards the PAM article, the legal notice (which I am required > > > by contract to include in the article) is missing from the split > > > version. > > Hmm, it *is* there, you just have to click on the word "Copyright" to see it. > > That may be not be good enough is what I guess you're saying though. > > I'd rather have it inline like in the unsplit version - but if that > takes too much work I won't split hairs :) If you have that kind of problem, then you should consider forcing the article to be build as html only and adjust the pages pointing to it so that they link artictle.html. There is already one article that uses this, see doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/console-server/Makefile and the related files. /s/Udo -- There's more than one way to skin a cat: Way number 32 -- Wrap it around a lonely frat man's pecker. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 13:48:44 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE83E37B401; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc2-cdif2-5-cust247.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.101.151.247]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466B643F3F; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:48:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.12) id 18gAvq-0000Sb-00; Tue, 04 Feb 2003 21:48:42 +0000 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:48:42 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Hiroki Sato Cc: trhodes@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, blackend@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: piecemeal articles Message-ID: <20030204214842.GC449@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Hiroki Sato , trhodes@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, blackend@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20030204201343.GA3311@submonkey.net> <20030204160504.6a66b638.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030205.061514.39210622.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030205.061514.39210622.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 06:15:14AM +0900, Hiroki Sato wrote: > Tom Rhodes wrote > in <20030204160504.6a66b638.trhodes@FreeBSD.org>: > > trhodes> No. By the way, I get this also, I think its due to a commit made > trhodes> by blackend, however I havn't asked him. > > I am also suffering from it, but it is happened on 5.X, and > does not on 4.X. That explains why I'm not seeing it at least. Ceri -- For my elders, the forge, and the courageous! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 13:49:48 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C2637B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:49:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc2-cdif2-5-cust247.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.101.151.247]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19EF243F93 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:49:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.12) id 18gAws-0000T6-00; Tue, 04 Feb 2003 21:49:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:49:46 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Udo Erdelhoff Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: piecemeal articles Message-ID: <20030204214946.GD449@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Udo Erdelhoff , doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20030204201507.GA86389@nathan.ruhr.de> <20030205.053129.78764236.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20030204212615.GA449@submonkey.net> <20030204214645.GB86389@nathan.ruhr.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030204214645.GB86389@nathan.ruhr.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:46:45PM +0100, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:28:25PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Ceri Davies writes: > > > On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:02:49PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > > BTW, as regards the PAM article, the legal notice (which I am required > > > > by contract to include in the article) is missing from the split > > > > version. > > > Hmm, it *is* there, you just have to click on the word "Copyright" to see it. > > > That may be not be good enough is what I guess you're saying though. > > > > I'd rather have it inline like in the unsplit version - but if that > > takes too much work I won't split hairs :) > > If you have that kind of problem, then you should consider forcing the > article to be build as html only and adjust the pages pointing to it > so that they link artictle.html. There is already one article that > uses this, see doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/console-server/Makefile > and the related files. I added "Convert the console-server article to docbook" to my todo list about 30 minutes ago ;) Ceri -- By the clan, your demise is here! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 13:53:29 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7691B37B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:53:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE64D43F3F for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:53:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org (12-240-204-110.client.attbi.com[12.240.204.110]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with ESMTP id <20030204215325001008737ke>; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:53:25 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h14LrPRG085964; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:53:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h14LrOwJ085963; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:53:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:53:24 -0800 From: "Bruce A. Mah" To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Ceri Davies , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: piecemeal articles Message-ID: <20030204215324.GA85506@intruder.bmah.org> References: <20030204201343.GA3311@submonkey.net> <20030204213525.GB449@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If memory serves me right, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Ceri Davies writes: > > I'm not seeing this with a clean tree, even with "make install-html-spl= it.tar.gz". > > Do you have FORMATS defined to anything other than the default ? >=20 > No: >=20 > des@des ~/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam% make -VFORMATS 2>/dev= /null > html As someone else just pointed out, it seems to happen only on 5.0/CURRENT machines. (I always see this on my CURRENT machines and never on my 4-STABLE machines.) At one point, I think I had an email exchange with ru@ on this list in which he posted a possible fix, but I don't think anybody ever tested or committed it. (I should have been one of those "anybody"s.) Bruce. --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+QDZU2MoxcVugUsMRAr74AKC+wClqhZpQ0VD4QUGjtmohL2FcWQCeLEun Bigcy0g74PL/f+T+RXcyAzc= =w0GV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 13:53:31 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE0137B406; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:53:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4DAD43F85; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:53:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (nosferatu.blackend.org [192.168.10.205]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h14LrOii077179; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 22:53:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nosferatu.blackend.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h14LrQQv001340; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 22:53:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@nosferatu.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by nosferatu.blackend.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h14LrQvi001339; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 22:53:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 22:53:26 +0100 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Tom Rhodes Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , setantae@submonkey.net, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: piecemeal articles Message-ID: <20030204215326.GA585@nosferatu.blackend.org> References: <20030204201343.GA3311@submonkey.net> <20030204160504.6a66b638.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030204160504.6a66b638.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 04:05:04PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > On Tue, 04 Feb 2003 21:51:15 +0100 > Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > Ceri Davies writes: > > > Running just "make" in doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/ should build > > > them all with one file per article. > > > > BTW, > > > > des@des ~/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam% make > > "/home/des/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/../../../share/mk > > /doc.docbook.mk", line 2: warning: duplicate script for target > > "install-html-split.tar.gz" > > ignored"/home/des/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/../../../s > > hare/mk/doc.docbook.mk", line 3: warning: duplicate script for target > > "install-html-split.tar.gz" > > ignored"/home/des/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/../../../s > > hare/mk/doc.docbook.mk", line 2: warning: duplicate script for target > > "install-html-split.tar.bz2" > > ignored"/home/des/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/../../../s > > hare/mk/doc.docbook.mk", line 3: warning: duplicate script for target > > "install-html-split.tar.bz2" > > ignored"/home/des/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/../../../s > > hare/mk/doc.docbook.mk", line 2: warning: duplicate script for target > > "install-html-split.tar.zip" > > ignored"/home/des/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam/../../../s > > hare/mk/doc.docbook.mk", line 3: warning: duplicate script for target > > "install-html-split.tar.zip" ignored"/usr/share/mk/bsd.subdir.mk", > > line 8: warning: duplicate script for target "files" > > ignored"/usr/share/mk/bsd.subdir.mk", line 8: warning: duplicate > > script for target "includes" ignored > > > > ...and then it goes on to build fine. > > > > Is this intentional? > > > > No. By the way, I get this also, I think its due to a commit made > by blackend, however I havn't asked him. > > Marc, could you look at this please? > Ok :) It's weird I only get it on 5.X systems, nothing on 4.X. Am I alone in this case? I'd say the problem is in /usr/share/mk/* Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 13:57:40 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0030A37B405 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:57:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (eos.ocn.ne.jp [211.6.83.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED1243FA7 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:57:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp) Received: from mail.allbsd.org (p39026-adsao12honb4-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp [219.161.136.26]) by smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 273F02C26; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 06:57:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (alph.allbsd.org [192.168.0.10]) by mail.allbsd.org (8.12.6/3.7W/DomainMaster) with ESMTP id h14Lv4J8087450; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 06:57:04 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 06:56:25 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20030205.065625.55778028.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> To: des@ofug.org Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: piecemeal articles From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: References: <20030204201507.GA86389@nathan.ruhr.de> <20030205.053129.78764236.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 2.2 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="--Next_Part(Wed_Feb__5_06:56:25_2003_275)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----Next_Part(Wed_Feb__5_06:56:25_2003_275)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote in : des> > Hmmm... How about adding an anchor to the single html version into des> > the title page of the splitted version (and vise versa)? des> des> Sounds like a good idea, if it can be done cleanly. The split version des> is pretty useless for printing, for instance. OK, I will work on it. des> BTW, as regards the PAM article, the legal notice (which I am required des> by contract to include in the article) is missing from the split des> version. To me, that alone is a very strong argument for having the des> unsplit version be the default. It is not difficult very much. There is a knob in the stylesheet which changes how the legal notice is rendered. Try the attached patch. I think it is better that the style can be changed by the authors using "-V %generate-legalnotice-link%" in the Makefile (we cannot set a variable #f using -V flag, so the default should be #f as the attached patch). Any comments? -- | Hiroki SATO / ----Next_Part(Wed_Feb__5_06:56:25_2003_275)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="legalnotice.diff" Index: share/sgml/freebsd.dsl =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dsl,v retrieving revision 1.68 diff -d -u -I\$FreeBSD:.*\$ -I\$Id:.*\$ -I\$hrs:.*\$ -r1.68 freebsd.dsl --- share/sgml/freebsd.dsl 20 Nov 2002 19:41:10 -0000 1.68 +++ share/sgml/freebsd.dsl 4 Feb 2003 21:36:25 -0000 @@ -60,7 +60,7 @@ ;; ;; Naturally, this has no effect if you're building one big ;; HTML file. - #t) + #f) (define (book-titlepage-recto-elements) (list (normalize "title") ----Next_Part(Wed_Feb__5_06:56:25_2003_275)---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 13:59:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8368D37B401; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:59:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8FA743F85; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:59:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mobile.pittgoth.com (acs-24-154-229-196.zoominternet.net [24.154.229.196]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h14LxKvK045168; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 16:59:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 16:59:39 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Ceri Davies Cc: hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, blackend@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: piecemeal articles Message-Id: <20030204165939.038252d9.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20030204214842.GC449@submonkey.net> References: <20030204201343.GA3311@submonkey.net> <20030204160504.6a66b638.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030205.061514.39210622.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20030204214842.GC449@submonkey.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:48:42 +0000 Ceri Davies wrote: > On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 06:15:14AM +0900, Hiroki Sato wrote: > > Tom Rhodes wrote > > in <20030204160504.6a66b638.trhodes@FreeBSD.org>: > > > > trhodes> No. By the way, I get this also, I think its due to a > > commit made trhodes> by blackend, however I havn't asked him. > > > > I am also suffering from it, but it is happened on 5.X, and > > does not on 4.X. > > That explains why I'm not seeing it at least. > > Ceri > -- > For my elders, the forge, and the courageous! > Is there any real difference in make(1) between FreeBSD versions? Perhaps I should be more educated on the state of make(1)... -- Tom Rhodes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 14: 1:57 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C541D37B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:01:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3A343E4A for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:01:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 4C9DF536E; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 23:01:54 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Hiroki Sato Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: piecemeal articles From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 23:01:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20030205.065625.55778028.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> (Hiroki Sato's message of "Wed, 05 Feb 2003 06:56:25 +0900 (JST)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090014 (Oort Gnus v0.14) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) References: <20030204201507.GA86389@nathan.ruhr.de> <20030205.053129.78764236.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20030205.065625.55778028.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hiroki Sato writes: > Any comments? I haven't tried your patch, but the principle sounds good - and for the most part, it's a no-op, since only a few documents in the tree actually have legal notices. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 14: 2:49 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2257437B401; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:02:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5610543F3F; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:02:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mobile.pittgoth.com (acs-24-154-229-196.zoominternet.net [24.154.229.196]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h14M2jvK045195; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:02:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:03:05 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: des@ofug.org, setantae@submonkey.net, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: piecemeal articles Message-Id: <20030204170305.67d3e746.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20030204215324.GA85506@intruder.bmah.org> References: <20030204201343.GA3311@submonkey.net> <20030204213525.GB449@submonkey.net> <20030204215324.GA85506@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:53:24 -0800 "Bruce A. Mah" wrote: > If memory serves me right, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Ceri Davies writes: > > > I'm not seeing this with a clean tree, even with "make > > > install-html-split.tar.gz". Do you have FORMATS defined to > > > anything other than the default ? > > > > No: > > > > des@des ~/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pam% make -VFORMATS > > 2>/dev/null html > > As someone else just pointed out, it seems to happen only on > 5.0/CURRENT machines. (I always see this on my CURRENT machines and > never on my 4-STABLE machines.) > > At one point, I think I had an email exchange with ru@ on this list in > which he posted a possible fix, but I don't think anybody ever tested > or committed it. (I should have been one of those "anybody"s.) > > Bruce. > I should have caught this, however didn't :( Its sad, but I do tend to skip what I call noise, or things that I feel will do nothing more than take attention away from my currently oversized TODO list... -- Tom Rhodes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 14:10:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1668A37B401; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:10:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11AC43F9B; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:10:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (nosferatu.blackend.org [192.168.10.205]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h14MAMii077396; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 23:10:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nosferatu.blackend.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h14MAOQv001487; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 23:10:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@nosferatu.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by nosferatu.blackend.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h14MAOBq001486; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 23:10:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 23:10:24 +0100 From: Marc Fonvieille To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Ceri Davies , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: piecemeal articles Message-ID: <20030204221024.GB585@nosferatu.blackend.org> References: <20030204201343.GA3311@submonkey.net> <20030204213525.GB449@submonkey.net> <20030204215324.GA85506@intruder.bmah.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030204215324.GA85506@intruder.bmah.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 01:53:24PM -0800, Bruce A. Mah wrote: >=20 > As someone else just pointed out, it seems to happen only on > 5.0/CURRENT machines. (I always see this on my CURRENT machines and > never on my 4-STABLE machines.) >=20 > At one point, I think I had an email exchange with ru@ on this list in > which he posted a possible fix, but I don't think anybody ever tested > or committed it. (I should have been one of those "anybody"s.) > If a patch already exists, it's great :) cause tracking down a problem in .mk files is really long and painful :)) Marc --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+QDpP81T1MWxkgcoRAr1lAJ9469tSILa4ypToYLCElR9J+NBS4ACcCO9k K0mR5lemvGIeyqrb+axdGP4= =lc/n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 14:12:27 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26CD37B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:12:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C8543F43 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:12:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mobile.pittgoth.com (acs-24-154-229-196.zoominternet.net [24.154.229.196]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h14MCOvK045245; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:12:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:12:43 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Craig Carey Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Rm's 'man page': adding a mention of chflags, request Message-Id: <20030204171243.5087ba49.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.2.2.20030205100345.046cc8f0@pop.qsi.net.nz> References: <5.1.1.2.2.20030205100345.046cc8f0@pop.qsi.net.nz> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 10:31:01 +1300 Craig Carey wrote: > > > The man document of the FreeBSD 'rm' (file delete) command does > not mention the 'chflags' program. > > I hope you can edit the 'man' document for 'rm' in FreeBSD. > > I request that the word 'chflags' be added to the document. > Hello Craig, I've added a cross ref to both CURRENT and STABLE version of the rm(1) command. I agree that the manual page should have that listed in the SEE ALSO section. Thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 14:45: 9 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D484A37B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:45:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxzilla2.xs4all.nl (mxzilla2.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9F2A43F85 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:45:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wdk@xs4all.nl) Received: from xs2.xs4all.nl (xs2.xs4all.nl [194.109.3.12]) by mxzilla2.xs4all.nl (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h14Mj3ir091415 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 23:45:03 +0100 (CET) Received: (from wdk@localhost) by xs2.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h14Mj2l20306 for doc@freebsd.org; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 23:45:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wdk) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 23:45:02 +0100 From: Jan-Tiddo To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Reserved UID's Message-ID: <20030204224502.GD19346@xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hai, I've noticed that FreeBSD reserves UID's and GID's for specific applications and service-software. For example the UID for the MySQL daemon is 88 (if i'm not mistaken:)). I am using Postfix as MTA and I;ve tried to find a reserved UID and GID for the service, but I couldn't find it. My question: did FreeBSD reserved an UID and GID for the Postfix MTA? If not, maybe you can pick up this suggestion :) Jan-Tiddo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 17:20:16 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772BC37B401; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:20:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B2A43F93; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:20:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (trhodes@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h151KENS068633; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:20:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h151KEqr068606; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:20:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:20:14 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Rhodes Message-Id: <200302050120.h151KEqr068606@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dot@dotat.at, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/35343: Old broken Unix docco Makefiles Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Old broken Unix docco Makefiles State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: trhodes State-Changed-When: Tue Feb 4 17:19:48 PST 2003 State-Changed-Why: All the unused Makefiles have been removed from CURRENT and STABLE. Thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=35343 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 17:40: 8 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0864037B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:40:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADAD743FB1 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:40:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mobile.pittgoth.com ([192.168.0.5]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h151e3vK073847; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:40:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:40:23 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Udo Erdelhoff Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Possible error in hubs article Message-Id: <20030204204023.4b39f32f.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20030204194620.GB64761@nathan.ruhr.de> References: <20030202154844.GH5612@nitro.dk> <20030202131620.202ed2fd.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030202190025.GJ5612@nitro.dk> <20030204194620.GB64761@nathan.ruhr.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:46:20 +0100 Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 08:00:26PM +0100, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > > On 2003.02.02 13:16:20 -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > > > > 2.3 Mirroring the WWW pages > > > > The best way is, to check out the www distribution from CVS. If > > > > you have a local mirror of the CVS repository, it is probably as > > > > easy as: > > > > % cvs -d /home/ncvs co www" > > > > > > > > Is this right? > > > Yes, this is correct. www is the main website directory, and > > > below that we have translation directories, ie: en for English. > > So shouldn't the hub article say that building is also required? > > > > The way I read it "cvs -d /home/ncvs co www" can be used to get a > > mirror of the FreeBSD webpages without doing anything else. > > That's my impression as well. And I know (from painfull experience) > that just checking out www is not enough to have or even build the > web pages. Basically, you need copies of the src, www, and doc > repos (not the checked out versions, the repositories themselves), > a copy of the webupdate script adapted to your environment, some > CPU and wall clock time, and about 550 Megs of disk space. > > Am there, doing that, and the scars are about to form :) > I've added a note about performing a build WITH the docproj port installed. Thanks guys! -- Tom Rhodes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 18:14:59 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D167E37B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 18:14:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC6543F79 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 18:14:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mobile.pittgoth.com ([192.168.0.5]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h152EtvK093206; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:14:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:15:15 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Kazuo Horikawa Cc: s-seiji@hyper.ocn.ne.jp, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/46841: Typo in manual page sshd(8). Message-Id: <20030204211515.7bc83b40.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20030128.074821.41627523.horikawa@attbi.com> References: <200301270536.h0R5aPFR074697@freefall.freebsd.org> <20030128.074821.41627523.horikawa@attbi.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 07:48:21 -0700 (MST) Kazuo Horikawa wrote: > Hi Tom, > > The inconsistencies are introduced by FreeBSD local changes (and > should not exist on OpenBSD). > > You are all correct, and DES has given me permission to modify these files. Applied, thanks! -- Tom Rhodes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 18:36:51 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E4437B401; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 18:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D7843F9B; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 18:36:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (trhodes@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h152aoNS092810; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 18:36:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h152aoEn092806; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 18:36:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 18:36:50 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Rhodes Message-Id: <200302050236.h152aoEn092806@freefall.freebsd.org> To: s-seiji@hyper.ocn.ne.jp, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/46841: Typo in manual page sshd(8). Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Typo in manual page sshd(8). State-Changed-From-To: feedback->patched State-Changed-By: trhodes State-Changed-When: Tue Feb 4 18:35:52 PST 2003 State-Changed-Why: Following the audit trail and a discussion with des (MAINTAINER) I have applied your patch to CURRENT and will MFC soon. Thanks alot for the submission! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=46841 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 19: 8:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7258237B401; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:08:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1582843FA7; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:08:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (trhodes@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1538CNS004129; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:08:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1538CKW004125; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:08:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:08:12 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Rhodes Message-Id: <200302050308.h1538CKW004125@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ivoras@fer.hr, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/47246: gcc man page incorrectly mentions -kthread switch Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: gcc man page incorrectly mentions -kthread switch State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: trhodes State-Changed-When: Tue Feb 4 19:07:51 PST 2003 State-Changed-Why: Removed. Thanks for pointing this out! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=47246 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 4 19:36:24 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E6F37B401; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:36:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F260443F3F; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:36:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (trhodes@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h153aMNS019962; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:36:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h153aHZY019902; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:36:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:36:17 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Rhodes Message-Id: <200302050336.h153aHZY019902@freefall.freebsd.org> To: alex@freeman.org.ua, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/47767: daemon(8) manpage from RELENG_4_7_0 says it appeared in FreeBSD 5.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: daemon(8) manpage from RELENG_4_7_0 says it appeared in FreeBSD 5.0 State-Changed-From-To: open->patched State-Changed-By: trhodes State-Changed-When: Tue Feb 4 19:35:26 PST 2003 State-Changed-Why: I've changed 5.0 to 4.7 in STABLE. 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Wed, 5 Feb 2003 03:21:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (milan.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.144]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9DA843FA7 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 03:21:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@unixpages.org) Received: from gondor.middleearth (gondor.middleearth [192.168.1.42]) by milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36652A91E; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:21:13 +0100 (CET) Received: by gondor.middleearth (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E721144E6; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:21:12 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:21:12 +0100 From: Christian Brueffer To: Jan-Tiddo Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reserved UID's Message-ID: <20030205112112.GB630@unixpages.org> References: <20030204224502.GD19346@xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vGgW1X5XWziG23Ko" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030204224502.GD19346@xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT X-PGP-Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --vGgW1X5XWziG23Ko Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 11:45:02PM +0100, Jan-Tiddo wrote: > Hai, >=20 > I've noticed that FreeBSD reserves UID's and GID's for specific > applications and service-software. For example the UID for the MySQL > daemon is 88 (if i'm not mistaken:)). >=20 > I am using Postfix as MTA and I;ve tried to find a reserved UID and GID > for the service, but I couldn't find it. My question: did FreeBSD > reserved an UID and GID for the Postfix MTA? If not, maybe you can pick > up this suggestion :) >=20 > Jan-Tiddo >=20 The reserved UIDs are listed in the porters handbook. Postfix doesn't seem to have one. I have postfix running on my local systems and it just seems to grab a normal UID. This is the /etc/passwd entry for postfix one system here: postfix:*:1002:1002:Postfix Mail System:/var/spool/postfix:/sbin/nologin - Christian --=20 Christian Brueffer chris@unixpages.org brueffer@FreeBSD.org GPG Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc GPG Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D --vGgW1X5XWziG23Ko Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+QPOobHYXjKDtmC0RAiArAKC8fXYmdg99Mo8Cste1xSK82Uu+bQCggYXv 0hq3hxwF3yjkr9EkkQ7u0D0= =tc5J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vGgW1X5XWziG23Ko-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 5 3:34:10 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8606837B406 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 03:34:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (milan.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.144]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B90043F43 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 03:34:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@unixpages.org) Received: from gondor.middleearth (gondor.middleearth [192.168.1.42]) by milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2381C4F3; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:34:06 +0100 (CET) Received: by gondor.middleearth (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7724844E6; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:34:06 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:34:06 +0100 From: Christian Brueffer To: Andreas Grytz Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Contact Information Message-ID: <20030205113406.GC630@unixpages.org> References: <20030204122113.3212515BD5@mail.linux-new-media.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HG+GLK89HZ1zG0kk" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030204122113.3212515BD5@mail.linux-new-media.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT X-PGP-Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --HG+GLK89HZ1zG0kk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 01:21:11PM +0100, Andreas Grytz wrote: > Hello, >=20 > we have a short clipping about FreeBSD in upcoming german Linux-Magazin. > Please send me an snail mail adress (in Germany?) and we will send you a > copy. FreeBSD was also Feature in two issues of german LinuxUser > (Installation and Configuration). Might be also interesting for you ;) >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Andreas Grytz >=20 Hi, first of all, thanks for the offer :-) It's nice to see articles related to FreeBSD appear in (well known) magazines. Will the article be online at the linux-magazin.de site after some time so we could possibly link to it? There are a couple of doc@ people from Germany (me included) so I'm sure we can provide an adress. Opinions? - Christian --=20 Christian Brueffer chris@unixpages.org brueffer@FreeBSD.org GPG Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc GPG Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D --HG+GLK89HZ1zG0kk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+QPaubHYXjKDtmC0RAnrSAJ0bSi8WVsJhFlrHLoWdDn+qdD/ItgCgml/R /R8poYIwRCjcn0lJcvq+8X8= =xQ1F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HG+GLK89HZ1zG0kk-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 5 5:55:53 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB2C37B401 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 05:55:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD8B43F79 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 05:55:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) id h0NEDLWx092131; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:13:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from centtech.com (electron.centtech.com [204.177.173.173]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h0NEDKNG092123; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:13:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <3E2FF873.6040404@centtech.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:13:07 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FAQ confusion References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Quoting from the version of the FAQ currently available on the web: >>4-STABLE is the actively developed -STABLE branch. The latest release >>on the 4-STABLE is 5.0- RELEASE, which was released in January 2003. >> >>The 5-CURRENT branch is slowly progressing toward 5.0-RELEASE and >>beyond. See What is FreeBSD-CURRENT? for more information on this >>branch. Wow.. that IS confusing.. Which way is up? "The latest release on the 4-STABLE is 5.0- RELEASE.." is not grammatically correct, AND isn't really correct.. Shouldn't it say: "The latest release on the 4-STABLE branch is 4.7-RELEASE.." That last part is just all messed up. Maybe this instead: "The -CURRENT branch has recently produced 5.0-RELEASE in January 2003, which will then become the new 5-STABLE branch. Future 5.x-RELEASES will come from the 5-STABLE branch." Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching? ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 5 7:30:22 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1869D37B405 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 07:30:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA6AD43FAF for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 07:30:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h15FUBNS060139 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 07:30:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h15FUBTF060138; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 07:30:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF34737B401 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 07:28:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from HAL9000.homeunix.com (12-233-57-224.client.attbi.com [12.233.57.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DBD843F79 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 07:28:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from das@HAL9000.homeunix.com) Received: from HAL9000.homeunix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by HAL9000.homeunix.com (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h15FSpo0000929 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 07:28:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from das@HAL9000.homeunix.com) Received: (from das@localhost) by HAL9000.homeunix.com (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h15FSpdI000928; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 07:28:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from das) Message-Id: <200302051528.h15FSpdI000928@HAL9000.homeunix.com> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 07:28:51 -0800 (PST) From: David Schultz To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/47960: Update login.conf(5) to match reality Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 47960 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Update login.conf(5) to match reality >Confidential: yes >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: update >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Feb 05 07:30:11 PST 2003 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: David Schultz >Release: >Organization: >Environment: >Description: The login.conf(5) manpage contains outdated information about what capabilities are actually supported. The included patch removes the now-unsupported minpasswordlen and minpasswordcase options, and provides a reference to the PAM module that has replaced them. The patch also adds a note that many of the accounting facilities mentioned are not implemented in FreeBSD, though at least one of them is supported by third-party software in ports. In the long run, some of the options should eventually be removed from the manpage altogether. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Index: login.conf.5 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/lib/libutil/login.conf.5,v retrieving revision 1.44 diff -u -r1.44 login.conf.5 --- login.conf.5 2002/11/22 22:22:10 1.44 +++ login.conf.5 2003/02/05 15:22:47 @@ -205,7 +205,7 @@ .It "welcome file /etc/motd File containing welcome message. .El .Sh AUTHENTICATION -.Bl -column minpasswordlen indent indent +.Bl -column passwd_prompt indent indent .It Sy "Name Type Notes Description .\" .It "approve program Program to approve login. .It "copyright file File containing additional copyright information @@ -215,11 +215,6 @@ in the class may not access. .It "login_prompt string The login prompt given by .Xr login 1 -.It "minpasswordlen number 6 The minimum length a local password -may be. -.It "mixpasswordcase bool true Whether -.Xr passwd 1 -will warn the user if an all lower case password is entered. .It "passwd_format string md5 The encryption format that new or changed passwords will use. Valid values include "des", "md5" and "blf". @@ -324,6 +319,17 @@ devices in the group. If both lists are given and are non-empty, the user is restricted to those devices allowed by ttys.allow that are not available by ttys.deny. +.Pp +The +.Em minpasswordlen +and +.Em minpasswordcase +facilities for enforcing restrictions on password quality, which used +to be supported by +.Nm , +have been superseded by the +.Xr pam_passwdqc 8 +PAM module. .Sh ACCOUNTING LIMITS .Bl -column host.accounted indent indent .It Sy "Name Type Notes Description @@ -361,7 +367,15 @@ .El .Pp These fields are used by the time accounting system, which regulates, -controls and records user login access. +controls and records user login access. Of these options, only +.Em warnexpire +and +.Em warnpassword +are implemented in the base system. The +.Em idletime +capability is supported by +.Xr blimitd 8 +in the ports collection. .Pp The .Em ttys.accounted @@ -385,5 +399,8 @@ .Xr getttyent 3 , .Xr login_cap 3 , .Xr login_class 3 , +.Xr pam 3 , .Xr passwd 5 , -.Xr ttys 5 +.Xr ttys 5 , +.Xr blimitd , +.Xr pam_passwdqc 8 >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 5 11:20:51 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C122237B660; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:20:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 627EE43F9B; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:20:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (trhodes@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h15JKmNS079316; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:20:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h15JKhw2079079; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:20:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:20:43 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Rhodes Message-Id: <200302051920.h15JKhw2079079@freefall.freebsd.org> To: alex@freeman.org.ua, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/47767: daemon(8) manpage from RELENG_4_7_0 says it appeared in FreeBSD 5.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: daemon(8) manpage from RELENG_4_7_0 says it appeared in FreeBSD 5.0 State-Changed-From-To: patched->closed State-Changed-By: trhodes State-Changed-When: Wed Feb 5 11:20:17 PST 2003 State-Changed-Why: Applied! Thanks alot for pointing this out to us! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=47767 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 5 11:32:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A883637B401; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:32:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1EB43FB8; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:32:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (trhodes@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h15JWGNS083189; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:32:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h15JWF0q083178; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:32:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:32:15 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Rhodes Message-Id: <200302051932.h15JWF0q083178@freefall.freebsd.org> To: s-seiji@hyper.ocn.ne.jp, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/46841: Typo in manual page sshd(8). Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Typo in manual page sshd(8). State-Changed-From-To: patched->closed State-Changed-By: trhodes State-Changed-When: Wed Feb 5 11:31:59 PST 2003 State-Changed-Why: Applied! 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         юБУФОЩЕ ЙОЧЕУФПТЩ;
    лПТРПТБФЙЧОЩЕ Й ДТХЗЙЕ ХЮБУФОЙЛЙ ТЩОЛБ;
    лБЛПК УХННЩ ДПУФБФПЮОП ДМС ТБВПФЩ;
    юЕН, ЗДЕ Й ЛБЛ ФПТЗПЧБФШ.
  • йОУФТХНЕОФЩ НЙТПЧЩИ ФПЧБТОЩИ Й ЖЙОБОУПЧЩИ ТЩОЛПЧ:
    гЕООЩЕ ВХНБЗЙ;
    нЕЦДХОБТПДОЩК ТЩОПЛ ПВНЕОБ ЧБМАФ;
    жШАЮЕТУОЩЕ Й ПРГЙПООЩЕ ЛПОФТБЛФЩ.
  • фЕИОПМПЗЙС Й НЕИБОЙЪН ВЙТЦЕЧЩИ ЧОЕВЙТЦЕЧЩИ ПРЕТБГЙК:
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    чБМАФОЩК ТЩОПЛ “spot”;
    вЙТЦЕЧЩЕ ФПТЗПЧЩЕ УЙУФЕНЩ    ;
    лПНРШФЕОЩЕ ФПТЗПЧЩЕ УЙУФЕНЩ;
    лМЙТЙОЗПЧЩЕ (ТБУЮЕФОЩЕ) УЙУФЕНЩ РП ПВУМХЦЙЧБОЙА ПРЕТБГЙК;
    йОЖПТНБГЙПООЩЕ УЙУФЕНЩ Й ЛПНРШАФЕТОЩЕ ФЕИОПМПЗЙЙ РП ПВЕУРЕЮЕОЙА ДЙМЙОЗПЧЩИ ПРЕТБГЙК.
  • «дПФЙЦЕОЙЕ» ТЩОЛБ:
    вТПЛЕТУЛБС ЛПНРБОЙС;
    рТЙОГЙРБМ (НБТЛЕФ-НЕКЛЕТ);
    фПТЗПЧЩК УЮЕФ;
    нБТЦБ;
    лТЕДЙФОПЕ РМЕЮП;
    уПЧЕТЫЕОЙЕ УДЕМЛЙ;
    рМАУЩ Й НЙОХУЩ ”ЙОФЕТОЕФ-ФПТЗПЧМЙ”;
    рТЙВЩМШОПУФШ ПРЕТБГЙК.
  • рТПЗОПЪЙТПЧБОЙЕ ТЩОПЮОЩИ ФЕОДЕОГЙК:
    фЕИОЙЮЕУЛЙК БОБМЙЪ;
    жХОДБНЕОФБМШОЩК БОБМЙЪ;
    рТПЖЕУУЙПОБМШОЩЕ ЛПНРШАФЕТОЩЕ УЙУФЕНЩ Й РТПЗТБННОПЕ ПВЕУРЕЮЕОЙЕ, ЙУРПМШЪХЕНПЕ Ч ТБВПФЕ ДЙМЕТПЧ.
  • фПТЗПЧЩЕ УФТБФЕЗЙЙ Й ФБЛФЙЛЙ:
    уРЕЛХМСФЙЧОЩЕ ПРЕТБГЙЙ;
    хРТБЧМЕОЙЕ РПТФЖЕМЕН;
    иЕДЦЙТПЧБОЙЕ ЬЛУРПТФОП-ЙНРПТФОЩИ ПРЕТБГЙК    .
    •

    тЕЦЙН РТПЧЕДЕОЙС УЕНЙОБТБ :

    09:30 - 19:00 - ЧТЕНС РТПЧЕДЕОЙС УЕНЙОБТБ, У РЕТЕТЩЧБНЙ ОБ ЛПЖЕ Й ПВЕД

    уФПЙНПУФШ ХЮБУФЙС Ч УЕНЙОБТЕ: 450 ЗТО. ЪБ ПДОПЗП ХЮБУФОЙЛБ.

    дМС ХЮБУФЙС ОЕПВИПДЙНП:

  • рПМХЮЙФШ УЮЕФ ДМС ПРМБФЩ РП ЖБЛУХ ;
  • пРМБФЙФШ УЮЕФ ;
  • йНЕФШ РТЙ УЕВЕ РБУРПТФ Й ЛПРЙА РМБФЕЦОПЗП ДПЛХНЕОФБ.

    • тЕЗЙУФТБГЙС РТПЧПДЙФШУС ДП 12 ЖЕЧТСМС (ЧЛМАЮЙФЕМШОП)

    уЛЙДЛЙ:

  • рТЙ ПРМБФЕ ДП 10 ЖЕЧТБМС - УЛЙДЛБ 10 %;
  • рТЙ ТЕЗЙУФТБГЙЙ 2-И Й ВПМЕЕ РТЕДУФБЧЙФЕМЕК У ПДОПЗП РТЕДРТЙСФЙС - УЛЙДЛБ 10%;
  • тЕЗЙПОБМШОЩН ЛПНРБОЙСН - УЛЙДЛБ 10 %.
    •

    лПОФБЛФОБС ЙОЖПТНБГЙС Й ТЕЗЙУФТБГЙС: (044) 269-82-31;269-97-54.

    тБУУЩМЛБ ПТЗБОЙЪПЧБОБ хЛТБЙОУЛЙН гЕОФТПН дЙТЕЛФ нЬКМ. йЪЧЙОЙФЕ ЕУМЙ ЙОЖПТНБГЙС ОЕ ЪБЙОФЕТЕУПЧБМБ ЧБУ. рП ЧПРТПУБН ПТЗБОЙЪБГЙЙ ТБУУЩМПЛ, ПВТБЭБКФЕУШ РП ФЕМ. (044) 237 29 18. у ХЧБЦЕОЙЕН, лБТПМЙОБ нЕОДЕМШ.

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    хЧБЦБЕНЩЕ зПУРПДБ !
    рТЕДУФБЧЙФЕМШУФЧП "Capital Standard Corporation"     УПЧНЕУФОП У ЛПНРБОЙЕК "A-Group" РТЙЗМБЫБЕФ чБУ РТЙОСФШ ХЮБУФЙЕ Ч УЕНЙОБТЕ ОБ ФЕНХ:
     

     
    рТБЛФЙЮЕУЛЙЕ БУРЕЛФЩ ВЙТЦЕЧПК ФПТЗПЧМЙ ОБ НЕЦДХОБТПДОЩИ ЖЙОБОУПЧЩИ ТЩОЛБИ.

     
     

    уЕНЙОБТ УПУФПЙФУС: 14 ЖЕЧТБМС 2003З

    рП БДТЕУХ:     З. лЙЕЧ, ЗПУФЙОЙГБ "уБОЛФ-рЕТЕТВХТЗ" (ВХМШЧБТ ф.ыЕЧЮЕОЛП, 4)
     

     гЕМШ УЕНЙОБТБ:

    рПМХЮЙФШ ОБЗМСДОХА ЙОЖПТНБГЙА П НЕЦДХОБТПДОЩИ ЖЙОБОУПЧЩИ, ФПЧБТОЩИ Й ЖПОДПЧЩИ  ТЩОЛБИ, П НЕИБОЙЪНБИ ТБВПФЩ ОБ РТЙНЕТЕ юЙЛБЗУЛПК ВЙТЦЙ, ХЧЙДЕФШ Ч ТЕБМШОПН ЧТЕНЕОЙ ДЧЙЦЕОЙЕ ЧБМАФ Й ХЪОБФШ ЛБЛ НПЦОП РТБЧЙМШОП ЙОЧЕУФЙТПЧБФШ Й Ч ДБМШОЕКЫЕН РТЙХНОПЦБФШ УЧПК ЛБРЙФБМ. рТПЗТБННБ УЕНЙОБТБ РТЕДХУНБФТЙЧБЕФ РПМХЮЕОЙЕ ПФЧЕФПЧ ОБ ЙОФЕТЕУХАЭЙЕ ЧПРТПУЩ, ЛПОУХМШФБГЙЙ Й ДПЛМБДЩ УРЕГЙБМЙУФПЧ-РТБЛФЙЛПЧ.

    мЕЛФПТЩ Й ЧЕДХЭЙЕ УЕНЙОБТБ: РТЕДУФБЧМСАЭЙК ВТПЛЕТ CSCorp., УРЕГЙБМЙУФ РП ВЙТЦЕЧЩН ПРЕТБГЙСН (Chicago Mercantile   Exchange, Chicago Board of Trade).

    ч РТПЗТБННЕ:

  • уРЕЛХМСГЙЙ – ЛБЛ УРПУПВ РТЙХНОПЦЕОЙС ЛБРЙФБМБ:
         юБУФОЩЕ ЙОЧЕУФПТЩ;
    лПТРПТБФЙЧОЩЕ Й ДТХЗЙЕ ХЮБУФОЙЛЙ ТЩОЛБ;
    лБЛПК УХННЩ ДПУФБФПЮОП ДМС ТБВПФЩ;
    юЕН, ЗДЕ Й ЛБЛ ФПТЗПЧБФШ.
  • йОУФТХНЕОФЩ НЙТПЧЩИ ФПЧБТОЩИ Й ЖЙОБОУПЧЩИ ТЩОЛПЧ:
    гЕООЩЕ ВХНБЗЙ;
    нЕЦДХОБТПДОЩК ТЩОПЛ ПВНЕОБ ЧБМАФ;
    жШАЮЕТУОЩЕ Й ПРГЙПООЩЕ ЛПОФТБЛФЩ.
  • фЕИОПМПЗЙС Й НЕИБОЙЪН ВЙТЦЕЧЩИ ЧОЕВЙТЦЕЧЩИ ПРЕТБГЙК:
    ъБЛПОПДБФЕМШОБС ВБЪБ, РТБЧЙМБ Й РТБЛФЙЛБ БНЕТЙЛБОУЛПК НПДЕМЙ ФПТЗПЧМЙ;
    чБМАФОЩК ТЩОПЛ “spot”;
    вЙТЦЕЧЩЕ ФПТЗПЧЩЕ УЙУФЕНЩ    ;
    лПНРШФЕОЩЕ ФПТЗПЧЩЕ УЙУФЕНЩ;
    лМЙТЙОЗПЧЩЕ (ТБУЮЕФОЩЕ) УЙУФЕНЩ РП ПВУМХЦЙЧБОЙА ПРЕТБГЙК;
    йОЖПТНБГЙПООЩЕ УЙУФЕНЩ Й ЛПНРШАФЕТОЩЕ ФЕИОПМПЗЙЙ РП ПВЕУРЕЮЕОЙА ДЙМЙОЗПЧЩИ ПРЕТБГЙК.
  • «дПФЙЦЕОЙЕ» ТЩОЛБ:
    вТПЛЕТУЛБС ЛПНРБОЙС;
    рТЙОГЙРБМ (НБТЛЕФ-НЕКЛЕТ);
    фПТЗПЧЩК УЮЕФ;
    нБТЦБ;
    лТЕДЙФОПЕ РМЕЮП;
    уПЧЕТЫЕОЙЕ УДЕМЛЙ;
    рМАУЩ Й НЙОХУЩ ”ЙОФЕТОЕФ-ФПТЗПЧМЙ”;
    рТЙВЩМШОПУФШ ПРЕТБГЙК.
  • рТПЗОПЪЙТПЧБОЙЕ ТЩОПЮОЩИ ФЕОДЕОГЙК:
    фЕИОЙЮЕУЛЙК БОБМЙЪ;
    жХОДБНЕОФБМШОЩК БОБМЙЪ;
    рТПЖЕУУЙПОБМШОЩЕ ЛПНРШАФЕТОЩЕ УЙУФЕНЩ Й РТПЗТБННОПЕ ПВЕУРЕЮЕОЙЕ, ЙУРПМШЪХЕНПЕ Ч ТБВПФЕ ДЙМЕТПЧ.
  • фПТЗПЧЩЕ УФТБФЕЗЙЙ Й ФБЛФЙЛЙ:
    уРЕЛХМСФЙЧОЩЕ ПРЕТБГЙЙ;
    хРТБЧМЕОЙЕ РПТФЖЕМЕН;
    иЕДЦЙТПЧБОЙЕ ЬЛУРПТФОП-ЙНРПТФОЩИ ПРЕТБГЙК    .
    •

    тЕЦЙН РТПЧЕДЕОЙС УЕНЙОБТБ :

    09:30 - 19:00 - ЧТЕНС РТПЧЕДЕОЙС УЕНЙОБТБ, У РЕТЕТЩЧБНЙ ОБ ЛПЖЕ Й ПВЕД

    уФПЙНПУФШ ХЮБУФЙС Ч УЕНЙОБТЕ: 450 ЗТО. ЪБ ПДОПЗП ХЮБУФОЙЛБ.

    дМС ХЮБУФЙС ОЕПВИПДЙНП:

  • рПМХЮЙФШ УЮЕФ ДМС ПРМБФЩ РП ЖБЛУХ ;
  • пРМБФЙФШ УЮЕФ ;
  • йНЕФШ РТЙ УЕВЕ РБУРПТФ Й ЛПРЙА РМБФЕЦОПЗП ДПЛХНЕОФБ.

    • тЕЗЙУФТБГЙС РТПЧПДЙФШУС ДП 12 ЖЕЧТСМС (ЧЛМАЮЙФЕМШОП)

    уЛЙДЛЙ:

  • рТЙ ПРМБФЕ ДП 10 ЖЕЧТБМС - УЛЙДЛБ 10 %;
  • рТЙ ТЕЗЙУФТБГЙЙ 2-И Й ВПМЕЕ РТЕДУФБЧЙФЕМЕК У ПДОПЗП РТЕДРТЙСФЙС - УЛЙДЛБ 10%;
  • тЕЗЙПОБМШОЩН ЛПНРБОЙСН - УЛЙДЛБ 10 %.
    •

    лПОФБЛФОБС ЙОЖПТНБГЙС Й ТЕЗЙУФТБГЙС: (044) 269-82-31;269-97-54.

    тБУУЩМЛБ ПТЗБОЙЪПЧБОБ хЛТБЙОУЛЙН гЕОФТПН дЙТЕЛФ нЬКМ. йЪЧЙОЙФЕ ЕУМЙ ЙОЖПТНБГЙС ОЕ ЪБЙОФЕТЕУПЧБМБ ЧБУ. рП ЧПРТПУБН ПТЗБОЙЪБГЙЙ ТБУУЩМПЛ, ПВТБЭБКФЕУШ РП ФЕМ. (044) 237 29 18. у ХЧБЦЕОЙЕН, лБТПМЙОБ нЕОДЕМШ.

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    хЧБЦБЕНЩЕ зПУРПДБ !
    рТЕДУФБЧЙФЕМШУФЧП "Capital Standard Corporation"     УПЧНЕУФОП У ЛПНРБОЙЕК "A-Group" РТЙЗМБЫБЕФ чБУ РТЙОСФШ ХЮБУФЙЕ Ч УЕНЙОБТЕ ОБ ФЕНХ:
     

     
    рТБЛФЙЮЕУЛЙЕ БУРЕЛФЩ ВЙТЦЕЧПК ФПТЗПЧМЙ ОБ НЕЦДХОБТПДОЩИ ЖЙОБОУПЧЩИ ТЩОЛБИ.

     
     

    уЕНЙОБТ УПУФПЙФУС: 14 ЖЕЧТБМС 2003З

    рП БДТЕУХ:     З. лЙЕЧ, ЗПУФЙОЙГБ "уБОЛФ-рЕТЕТВХТЗ" (ВХМШЧБТ ф.ыЕЧЮЕОЛП, 4)
     

     гЕМШ УЕНЙОБТБ:

    рПМХЮЙФШ ОБЗМСДОХА ЙОЖПТНБГЙА П НЕЦДХОБТПДОЩИ ЖЙОБОУПЧЩИ, ФПЧБТОЩИ Й ЖПОДПЧЩИ  ТЩОЛБИ, П НЕИБОЙЪНБИ ТБВПФЩ ОБ РТЙНЕТЕ юЙЛБЗУЛПК ВЙТЦЙ, ХЧЙДЕФШ Ч ТЕБМШОПН ЧТЕНЕОЙ ДЧЙЦЕОЙЕ ЧБМАФ Й ХЪОБФШ ЛБЛ НПЦОП РТБЧЙМШОП ЙОЧЕУФЙТПЧБФШ Й Ч ДБМШОЕКЫЕН РТЙХНОПЦБФШ УЧПК ЛБРЙФБМ. рТПЗТБННБ УЕНЙОБТБ РТЕДХУНБФТЙЧБЕФ РПМХЮЕОЙЕ ПФЧЕФПЧ ОБ ЙОФЕТЕУХАЭЙЕ ЧПРТПУЩ, ЛПОУХМШФБГЙЙ Й ДПЛМБДЩ УРЕГЙБМЙУФПЧ-РТБЛФЙЛПЧ.

    мЕЛФПТЩ Й ЧЕДХЭЙЕ УЕНЙОБТБ: РТЕДУФБЧМСАЭЙК ВТПЛЕТ CSCorp., УРЕГЙБМЙУФ РП ВЙТЦЕЧЩН ПРЕТБГЙСН (Chicago Mercantile   Exchange, Chicago Board of Trade).

    ч РТПЗТБННЕ:

  • уРЕЛХМСГЙЙ – ЛБЛ УРПУПВ РТЙХНОПЦЕОЙС ЛБРЙФБМБ:
         юБУФОЩЕ ЙОЧЕУФПТЩ;
    лПТРПТБФЙЧОЩЕ Й ДТХЗЙЕ ХЮБУФОЙЛЙ ТЩОЛБ;
    лБЛПК УХННЩ ДПУФБФПЮОП ДМС ТБВПФЩ;
    юЕН, ЗДЕ Й ЛБЛ ФПТЗПЧБФШ.
  • йОУФТХНЕОФЩ НЙТПЧЩИ ФПЧБТОЩИ Й ЖЙОБОУПЧЩИ ТЩОЛПЧ:
    гЕООЩЕ ВХНБЗЙ;
    нЕЦДХОБТПДОЩК ТЩОПЛ ПВНЕОБ ЧБМАФ;
    жШАЮЕТУОЩЕ Й ПРГЙПООЩЕ ЛПОФТБЛФЩ.
  • фЕИОПМПЗЙС Й НЕИБОЙЪН ВЙТЦЕЧЩИ ЧОЕВЙТЦЕЧЩИ ПРЕТБГЙК:
    ъБЛПОПДБФЕМШОБС ВБЪБ, РТБЧЙМБ Й РТБЛФЙЛБ БНЕТЙЛБОУЛПК НПДЕМЙ ФПТЗПЧМЙ;
    чБМАФОЩК ТЩОПЛ “spot”;
    вЙТЦЕЧЩЕ ФПТЗПЧЩЕ УЙУФЕНЩ    ;
    лПНРШФЕОЩЕ ФПТЗПЧЩЕ УЙУФЕНЩ;
    лМЙТЙОЗПЧЩЕ (ТБУЮЕФОЩЕ) УЙУФЕНЩ РП ПВУМХЦЙЧБОЙА ПРЕТБГЙК;
    йОЖПТНБГЙПООЩЕ УЙУФЕНЩ Й ЛПНРШАФЕТОЩЕ ФЕИОПМПЗЙЙ РП ПВЕУРЕЮЕОЙА ДЙМЙОЗПЧЩИ ПРЕТБГЙК.
  • «дПФЙЦЕОЙЕ» ТЩОЛБ:
    вТПЛЕТУЛБС ЛПНРБОЙС;
    рТЙОГЙРБМ (НБТЛЕФ-НЕКЛЕТ);
    фПТЗПЧЩК УЮЕФ;
    нБТЦБ;
    лТЕДЙФОПЕ РМЕЮП;
    уПЧЕТЫЕОЙЕ УДЕМЛЙ;
    рМАУЩ Й НЙОХУЩ ”ЙОФЕТОЕФ-ФПТЗПЧМЙ”;
    рТЙВЩМШОПУФШ ПРЕТБГЙК.
  • рТПЗОПЪЙТПЧБОЙЕ ТЩОПЮОЩИ ФЕОДЕОГЙК:
    фЕИОЙЮЕУЛЙК БОБМЙЪ;
    жХОДБНЕОФБМШОЩК БОБМЙЪ;
    рТПЖЕУУЙПОБМШОЩЕ ЛПНРШАФЕТОЩЕ УЙУФЕНЩ Й РТПЗТБННОПЕ ПВЕУРЕЮЕОЙЕ, ЙУРПМШЪХЕНПЕ Ч ТБВПФЕ ДЙМЕТПЧ.
  • фПТЗПЧЩЕ УФТБФЕЗЙЙ Й ФБЛФЙЛЙ:
    уРЕЛХМСФЙЧОЩЕ ПРЕТБГЙЙ;
    хРТБЧМЕОЙЕ РПТФЖЕМЕН;
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    To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 5 13:44:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B15537B401; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:44:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A328543F79; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:44:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([12.242.158.67]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02) with ESMTP id <2003020521444700200i4s1pe>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 21:44:48 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h15Lhg5F017520; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:43:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h15LhaRV017517; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:43:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: jojo set sender to swear@attbi.com using -f To: Tom Rhodes Cc: Craig Carey , doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Rm's 'man page': adding a mention of chflags, request References: <5.1.1.2.2.20030205100345.046cc8f0@pop.qsi.net.nz> <20030204171243.5087ba49.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 05 Feb 2003 13:43:36 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20030204171243.5087ba49.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tom Rhodes writes: > I've added a cross ref to both CURRENT and STABLE version of the > rm(1) command. I agree that the manual page should have that > listed in the SEE ALSO section. Thanks! And maybe one for init(8) which explains how a "security level" can make it impossible to rm a file. chflags(1) doesn't mention security level either. (Please let me know if you do anything with this and I'll take it out of my long list of PRs to write.) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 5 14: 0:23 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437F637B401 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:00:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp02.wlv.untd.com (smtp02.wlv.untd.com [209.247.163.58]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DE48C43F43 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:00:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chipi@netzero.net) Received: (qmail 5260 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2003 22:00:15 -0000 Received: from 63-93-99-46.oak.dial.netzero.com (HELO ben) (63.93.99.46) by smtp02.wlv.untd.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2003 22:00:15 -0000 From: "chipi" To: Subject: Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:13:25 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org need information or doc about bsd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 5 14:26:12 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D24237B401; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:26:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from fump.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (fump.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.181.148]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A86743FB1; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:26:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@fump.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de) Received: from fump.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fump.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h15MQ750087223; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 23:26:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from alex@fump.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de) Received: (from alex@localhost) by fump.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h15MQ78i087222; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 23:26:07 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 23:26:07 +0100 From: Alexander Langer To: Tom Rhodes Cc: Udo Erdelhoff , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Possible error in hubs article Message-ID: <20030205222607.GF81591@fump.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de> References: <20030202154844.GH5612@nitro.dk> <20030202131620.202ed2fd.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030202190025.GJ5612@nitro.dk> <20030204194620.GB64761@nathan.ruhr.de> <20030204204023.4b39f32f.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030204204023.4b39f32f.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> X-PGP-Fingerprint: 7EC1 5B98 4554 2A63 9079 2B2F 9A94 CD6F 7F14 EFA4 X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Tom Rhodes (trhodes@FreeBSD.ORG): > I've added a note about performing a build WITH the docproj > port installed. Thanks guys! A pre-built version of the www-pages for easy mirroring is also available via cvsup. If you don't know how to do that, try the net/cvsup-mirror port (or whatever). Maybe you can add a note as well (I currently don't have the time, sorry). 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    To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 5 17:19:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2064137B401 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:19:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEAE443F75 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:19:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dev-null@freebsd.org) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-a086.otenet.gr [212.205.215.86]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h161JQWx007526; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 03:19:27 +0200 (EET) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h161JP5U006676; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 03:19:25 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from dev-null@freebsd.org) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h161JNH6006675; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 03:19:23 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from dev-null@freebsd.org) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 03:19:23 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: chipi Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Documentation of FreeBSD [was: (no subject)] Message-ID: <20030206011922.GA6651@gothmog.gr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2003-02-05 14:13, chipi wrote: > need information or doc > about bsd Start at: http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 5 17:20:12 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9246837B401 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:20:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E7E43F75 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:20:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h161K9NS090014 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:20:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h161K9Bg090013; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:20:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:20:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200302060120.h161K9Bg090013@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: docs/47818: ln(1) manpage is confusing Reply-To: Giorgos Keramidas Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/47818; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Giorgos Keramidas To: bug-followup@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/47818: ln(1) manpage is confusing Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 03:15:51 +0200 [-- adding to audit trail --] : Message-Id: <20030204010131.GA2267@gothmog.gr> : Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 03:01:31 +0200 : From: Giorgos Keramidas : : On 2003-02-02 12:31, "Gary W. Swearingen" wrote: : > >Originator: Gary W. Swearingen : > >Synopsis: ln(1) manpage is confusing : > >Category: docs : > >Release: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE i386 : > >Environment: n/a : > >Description: : : This sort of change applies equally to 5.X and 4.X (or older) : versions. I still remember the thread in -doc. Thanks for : reminding me about it Gary, because I `lost' it in the rest of : the doc PRs. : : > The "ln" manual is confusing. This was cause for a recent -questions : > thread on the subject where that sentiment was confirmed by several : > people. Here are some problems: : > 1) Many newbies aren't familiar with its use of "target", or even with : > the more common use of the term. : : I don't like the to_filename and from_filename names either though :( : : I would probably prefer the names: : : newlink for the hard or symbolic link file name : file for any existing files : : the difference in names makes it pretty clear which one is which, and : if you still have doubts if the reader will grasp the difference of : the two 'file' names, we can explicitly write in the text of the : manpage the fact that 'file ...' refers to existing files, while : 'newlink' refers to the files created by ln(1). : : Deciding what to call the two arguments of ln(1) is not an easy task. : I have thought a lot about it before replying. It is imperative we : find a good way to name them though, as this will also fix a lot of : the wrongs you have (rightfully) pointed out. : : > 9) The last sentence of the first paragraph is more noise than help. : : Perhaps, if we expanded the difference a bit with the following? : : How a link : .Dq points : to a file is one of the differences between a hard and symbolic link. : + Hard links are effectively different names for the same set of : + disk blocks. : + Removing one of the hard links of a file does not free the : + space of the rest of the hard links and return the disk space : + occupied by the file to the pool of free space on the disk. : + Symbolic links (also known as : + .Dq symlinks ) : + point to a specific file name. : + If you remove the file that a symbolic link points to, the : + disk space occupied by the file is freed to. : + The symbolic link continues to point to a file that no longer : + exists. : + It is then called a : + .Dq broken : + symbolic link. : : Does this look better than deleting the line? : : > 11) The beginning of the description doesn't mention the "link" command. : : This needs fixing. I agree. But isn't the paragraph near the end of : description good enough already? : : When the utility is called as link, exactly two arguments must be : supplied, neither of which may specify a directory. No options : may be supplied in this simple mode of operation, which performs : a link(2) operation using the two passed arguments. : : - Giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 5 20: 0: 9 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C4B37B401 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 20:00:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9702A43FBD for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 20:00:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h16405NS033462 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 20:00:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h16405ZJ033461; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 20:00:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BAB37B401; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 19:57:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.reppep.com (www.reppep.com [66.92.104.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECFE43F93; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 19:57:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pepper@reppep.com) Received: by www.reppep.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id 601BCFDD2; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:57:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <20030206035757.601BCFDD2@www.reppep.com> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:57:57 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Pepper Reply-To: Chris Pepper To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Cc: imp@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/47991: Handbook section on upgrading kernel says to test new kernel, but not what to test. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 47991 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Handbook section on upgrading kernel says to test new kernel, but not what to test. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Feb 05 20:00:04 PST 2003 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Chris Pepper >Release: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD www.reppep.com 4.7-STABLE FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE #0: Tue Dec 3 14:05:51 EST 2002 root@www.reppep.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/REPPEP i386 >Description: says after "make installworld" one should boot single-user to verify the new kernel works, but not how to perform this verification:

    21.4.8 Reboot into Single User Mode

    You should reboot into single user mode to test the new kernel works. Do this by following the instructions in Section 21.4.4.

    I had previously thought I should verify the functionality of ps and friends, but I just did an installworld and broke ps. I now think this is simply an indication of the kernel having evolved, and installworld would clear the problem up, but the Handbook (and UPDATING) should have some information on what to test at this stage, and probably at minimum a reference to for tips on backing out a bad kernel. >How-To-Repeat: Rebuild a kernel, read the Handbook, and try to determine if all is well or busted after "make installkernel" and reboot. >Fix: Clarify what to look for after make installkernel and before make installworld, and exit strategies if things go in the pot. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 5 20:14:51 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEEEB37B401; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 20:14:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A6A43F85; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 20:14:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from horikawa@jp.freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (12-252-35-167.client.attbi.com[12.252.35.167]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02) with SMTP id <2003020604143800200i3knve>; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 04:14:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 21:14:27 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20030205.211427.59464356.horikawa@attbi.com> To: swear@attbi.com Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, ru@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: manpage section ordering and mdoc(7) manpage From: Kazuo Horikawa In-Reply-To: <6qel6qif5w.l6q@localhost.localdomain> References: <6qel6qif5w.l6q@localhost.localdomain> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.1 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (Cc'ing mdoc(7) authority as he looks missing freebsd-doc mails.) swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) wrote: > The mdoc(7) manpage seems to claim to be the FreeBSD standard for > manpages (or at least part of the standard). Is it? Should it be? > > Specifically, is the order of sections specified by the manpage the > FreeBSD standard, which, if violated, calls for a doc PR? > > For instance, should the mdoc(7) manpage have its own "FILES" and > "DIAGNOSTICS" sections re-ordered to match it's own rules? Or should > the manpage be modified to sound less like a standard? Ruslan, what do you think about section ordering Gary mentioned? I only sweeped section 8, but I found ac.8, getty.8, init.8, mount.8, nslookup.8 nsupdate.8, pppd.8, pw.8, restore.8, rlogind.8, rshd.8, rtadvd.8, rtsold.8 and sa.8 do not follow "this order." (FILES vs DIAGNOSTICS) > If it IS the standard, should it be modified to no longer require the > "IMPLEMENTATION NOTES" and "RETURN VALUES" sections, a "standard" which > is seldom followed as reflected in the manpage's own example template? Gary, I understand that IMPLEMENTATION NOTES and RETURN VALUES are optional sections, as they are listed under the explanation "The following commands should be uncommented and used where appropriate." as follow: .\" The following commands should be uncommented and .\" used where appropriate. .\" .Sh IMPLEMENTATION NOTES .\" This next command is for sections 2, 3 and 9 function .\" return values only. .\" .Sh RETURN VALUES [snip] -- Kazuo Horikawa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 5 22:37: 7 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0207437B405 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:37:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from rockshows.com.br (200191011144-dial-user-BOL.acessonet.com.br [200.191.11.144]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DA5C43FA3 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:36:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fatorcincoo@rockshows.com.br) From: "Banda Fator Cinco" To: Subject: Dк uma Forзa ao Nosso Rock Nacional Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 04:37:52 -0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20030206063659.0DA5C43FA3@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org

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    To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 6 2:32:54 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F1337B401 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 02:32:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F49243FB1 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 02:32:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (root@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/Sunbay) with SMTP id h16AWYon088543 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:32:34 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (ru@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/Sunbay) with ESMTP id h16AWWxQ088525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:32:34 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h16AWFsE088495; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:32:15 +0200 (EET) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:32:15 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Kazuo Horikawa Cc: swear@attbi.com, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: manpage section ordering and mdoc(7) manpage Message-ID: <20030206103215.GB82539@sunbay.com> References: <6qel6qif5w.l6q@localhost.localdomain> <20030205.211427.59464356.horikawa@attbi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Fig2xvG2VGoz8o/s" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030205.211427.59464356.horikawa@attbi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --Fig2xvG2VGoz8o/s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 09:14:27PM -0700, Kazuo Horikawa wrote: > (Cc'ing mdoc(7) authority as he looks missing freebsd-doc mails.) >=20 Yes, sorry, I'm unable to keep up with the mail load, so I unsubscribed from -doc. > swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) wrote: > > The mdoc(7) manpage seems to claim to be the FreeBSD standard for > > manpages (or at least part of the standard). Is it? Should it be? > > Yes, it was designed with this in mind. > > Specifically, is the order of sections specified by the manpage the > > FreeBSD standard, which, if violated, calls for a doc PR? > > Yes, the order of sections in the manpage (documented under the A MANUAL PAGE TEMPLATE and Section Headers) was specifically aligned with our /usr/share/examples/mdoc/ templates. > > For instance, should the mdoc(7) manpage have its own "FILES" and > > "DIAGNOSTICS" sections re-ordered to match it's own rules? Or should > > the manpage be modified to sound less like a standard? >=20 Yes, DIAGNOSTICS in the mdoc(7) manpage should be moved where appropriate. > Ruslan, what do you think about section ordering Gary mentioned? >=20 > I only sweeped section 8, but I found ac.8, getty.8, init.8, mount.8, > nslookup.8 nsupdate.8, pppd.8, pw.8, restore.8, rlogind.8, rshd.8, > rtadvd.8, rtsold.8 and sa.8 do not follow "this order." (FILES vs > DIAGNOSTICS) >=20 Fixing this globally would be highly appreciated. I have this task of ordering sections sitting in my mdocNG/TODO. So, you may leave it to me, or you may do it yourself, if you have enough time now. > > If it IS the standard, should it be modified to no longer require the > > "IMPLEMENTATION NOTES" and "RETURN VALUES" sections, a "standard" which > > is seldom followed as reflected in the manpage's own example template? >=20 > Gary, I understand that IMPLEMENTATION NOTES and RETURN VALUES are > optional sections, as they are listed under the explanation "The > following commands should be uncommented and used where appropriate." > as follow: >=20 > .\" The following commands should be uncommented and > .\" used where appropriate. > .\" .Sh IMPLEMENTATION NOTES > .\" This next command is for sections 2, 3 and 9 function > .\" return values only. > .\" .Sh RETURN VALUES > [snip] >=20 RETURNS VALUES is NOT optional for sections 2, 3 and 9 functions, except when the only functions that are documented return "void". IMPLEMENTATION NOTES is indeed optional, and "should be used where appropriate". I'm planning on adding yet another standard section, EXIT STATUS, for sections 1 and 8 manpages; the idea is stolen from 1003.1-2001. Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age --Fig2xvG2VGoz8o/s Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+QjmvUkv4P6juNwoRAg7pAKCHmhNGieTr+jZUVQiRp5GEkaEJ+gCfURlt 2t2KUijoMvnhbQQ7183Zj7E= =zZ8a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Fig2xvG2VGoz8o/s-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 6 3:45:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD0BD37B401; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 03:45:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc2-cdif2-5-cust247.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.101.151.247]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DAE543FB1; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 03:45:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.12) id 18gkTZ-0001QF-00; Thu, 06 Feb 2003 11:45:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:45:53 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: piecemeal articles Message-ID: <20030206114552.GA5452@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Giorgos Keramidas , doc@freebsd.org References: <20030204201507.GA86389@nathan.ruhr.de> <20030205.053129.78764236.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20030204212615.GA449@submonkey.net> <20030204214645.GB86389@nathan.ruhr.de> <20030204214946.GD449@submonkey.net> <20030205234004.GB4538@gothmog.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030205234004.GB4538@gothmog.gr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 01:40:04AM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2003-02-04 21:49, Ceri Davies wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:46:45PM +0100, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > > > If you have that kind of problem, then you should consider forcing the > > > article to be build as html only and adjust the pages pointing to it > > > so that they link artictle.html. There is already one article that > > > uses this, see doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/console-server/Makefile > > > and the related files. > > > > I added "Convert the console-server article to docbook" to my todo list > > about 30 minutes ago ;) > > Boy, am I glad you mentioned this! :) I guess that means it's my job now then :-( > You might want to avoid some of the work I did a while ago. > I never got around too committing it, but it's online now, > for everyone to review or continue it: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~keramida/files/console-server.tgz Yeah, should come in handy. Thanks! Ceri -- The legions of the All-Father have come! 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I expect your confidentiality and your promptresponse to this mail so as to proceed. dudley rogers ------------------------------------------------- HKNETMAIL.COM Free WEB MAIL Service by HKNET To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 6 5:52:22 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CDC537B401 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 05:52:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25FA543F93 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 05:52:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-b190.otenet.gr [212.205.244.198]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h16DqBWx014043; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:52:12 +0200 (EET) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h16DqB5U019884; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:52:11 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h16DqBVe019883; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:52:11 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:52:11 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Ceri Davies , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: piecemeal articles Message-ID: <20030206135211.GA19643@gothmog.gr> References: <20030204201507.GA86389@nathan.ruhr.de> <20030205.053129.78764236.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20030204212615.GA449@submonkey.net> <20030204214645.GB86389@nathan.ruhr.de> <20030204214946.GD449@submonkey.net> <20030205234004.GB4538@gothmog.gr> <20030206114552.GA5452@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030206114552.GA5452@submonkey.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2003-02-06 11:45, Ceri Davies wrote: >On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 01:40:04AM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >>On 2003-02-04 21:49, Ceri Davies wrote: >>> I added "Convert the console-server article to docbook" to my todo >>> list about 30 minutes ago ;) >> >> Boy, am I glad you mentioned this! :) > > I guess that means it's my job now then :-( Most of the html->sgml work needed should already be done. If you need help, I'm always here. I remember starting this and then stopping because I couldn't find some of the images necessary or something. It's not "your job" but I'm still glad you feel that the article should (eventually) be converted to SGML. 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    To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 6 8:24:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C4FD37B401 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:24:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195A443F75 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:24:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mobile.pittgoth.com (acs-24-154-229-196.zoominternet.net [24.154.229.196]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h16GOafI004460; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:24:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:24:54 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Cc: research@ijs.co.nz, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Rm's 'man page': adding a mention of chflags, request Message-Id: <20030206112454.68687593.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.2.2.20030205100345.046cc8f0@pop.qsi.net.nz> <20030204171243.5087ba49.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 05 Feb 2003 13:43:36 -0800 swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) wrote: > Tom Rhodes writes: > > > I've added a cross ref to both CURRENT and STABLE version of the > > rm(1) command. I agree that the manual page should have that > > listed in the SEE ALSO section. Thanks! > > And maybe one for init(8) which explains how a "security level" can > make it impossible to rm a file. chflags(1) doesn't mention security > level either. (Please let me know if you do anything with this and > I'll take it out of my long list of PRs to write.) > Sure, I'll add it ;) -- Tom Rhodes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 6 8:58:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6295637B405 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:58:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from aol.com (adsl-66-124-9-157.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [66.124.9.157]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DBD043F3F for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:58:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from GlobeStrat5824@aol.com) Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:01:34 -0800 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org From: GlobeStrat5824@aol.com X-Mailer: Version 5.0 Subject: 2 - 3 hours work = $286 to $1,289 Daily Cash Profit! Organization: Message-Id: <20030206165829.2DBD043F3F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 25 calls per day to customers EXPECTING your call generates
     

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    You can also work your regular job and do this on the "side", as the hours include part time evenings Monday through Thursday, and also varied daytime & evening hours every other weekend.

    Commission Range is  $1,000  -  $9,600

    Our product is ‘one of a kind’, and extremely unique. It’s very in demand, and high ticket. What’s more, it can be presented to the prospect in a very simple and uncomplicated way.

    Cold calling/phone sales experience is highly preferred.

    You must be a disciplined self starter - able to work consistently without needing any motivation from others to get the job done. Do not apply if you are not.

    You must be comfortable working non-stop, a minimum of 2 to 3 hours per evening on the phone. Do not apply if you are not.

    This is an exceptional opportunity for a few special, top performing; ‘crиme de le crиme’ persons who love to talk to people and who possess higher than average closing ability. Professional experience in recruiting, insurance, debt collection, or financial products is highly desirable.

    Requirements:

      • A resident of the continental United States.
      • Extremely ambitious and driven to achieve high levels of commission.
      • Reliable, outgoing, caring, confident, competitive, & assertive.
      • Comfortable doing high volume out-bound calling.  
      • A self starter with strong autonomy and high initiative; able to work independently and consistently without direct supervision.
      • Able to devote a minimum of 14 hours per week; these hours will vary but include evening hours, and also every other weekend to include various daytime and evening hours.
      • Able to follow scripts, training mandates, directions & etc. to the letter.
      • A strong professional, yet personable phone presence.
      • Superb communication & listening skills.
      • Exceptional time management, organizational, and follow up disciplines.
      • A quiet place in which to work, with minimum disruptions.
      • Your own PC with Microsoft Word, and contact management software.
      • Unlimited internet and e-mail capabilities.
      • An active Long Distance Carrier.
      • A dedicated phone line strictly for business purposes.
      • Able to speak and write clear fluent English.

    Our representatives work from their homes as independent contractors and enjoy the independence, convenience and challenge it entails. Top closers earn well over $200,000 per year.

    By accommodating the flexibility and family/lifestyle needs of our team members, we’ve found that we can attract the ‘very best’ of the very best. We’re only interested in the highest quality, most mature and stable individuals possible.

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    To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 6 9: 0:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62ADC37B401 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:00:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F80E43FDD for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:00:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h16H0ONS023681 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:00:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h16H0OkA023680; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:00:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A126537B405 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:51:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from backup-mx.droso.dk (backup-mx.droso.dk [62.79.38.251]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1597B43FA3 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:51:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from erwin@backup-mx.droso.dk) Received: by backup-mx.droso.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 071D4A9CE; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:50:52 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20030206165052.071D4A9CE@backup-mx.droso.dk> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:50:52 +0100 (CET) From: Erwin Lansing Reply-To: Erwin Lansing To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/48011: typo in Working with Hats Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 48011 >Category: docs >Synopsis: typo in Working with Hats >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Feb 06 09:00:23 PST 2003 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Erwin Lansing >Release: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE i386 >Organization: pil.dk >Environment: System: FreeBSD panda.droso.net 4.7-STABLE FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE #13: Tue Jan 7 21:26:37 CET 2003 root@panda.droso.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PANDA i386 >Description: Either I have to go back to school, or "Often times real life happens in the life of a hat." doesn't make much sense. I guess what is meant is "Sometimes real life happens..." or "Often...". The attached patch changes it to Sometimes. >How-To-Repeat: http://www.dk.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/hats/ >Fix: --- hats.diff begins here --- Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/hats/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.4 article.sgml --- article.sgml 31 Aug 2002 16:42:19 -0000 1.4 +++ article.sgml 6 Feb 2003 16:43:45 -0000 @@ -74,7 +74,7 @@ of last resort, and would frown on hats using that either too often or as the first response. - Often times real life happens in the life of a hat. A + Sometimes real life happens in the life of a hat. A condition that core generally imposes upon the hats of the world is that they have a deputy that can act in their absence. This deputy is expected to be an active participant in the team that --- hats.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 6 11:47:19 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C17337B401; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:47:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.com (cs26207-212.hot.rr.com [24.26.207.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CDF4E43FCB; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:47:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tl@mail.com) From: "Training Line" Subject: Ключевые навыки коммуникаций Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 22:46:51 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20030206194703.CDF4E43FCB@mx1.FreeBSD.org> To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ключевые навыки коммуникации. Курс для руководителя. Презентации, совещания, переговоры.
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    Ключевые навыки коммуникации. Курс для руководителя. Презентации, совещания, переговоры.

    Курс предназначен: для руководителей организаций и подразделений.

    В регламенте курса практически отсутствует теоретический материал. Соотношение теории и практики - 20/80. В ходе тренинга слушатели участвуют в деловых играх, сопровождаемых видео-съемкой для функционального анализа поведения каждого из участников.
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    Рекомендация тренера - для максимальной эффективности слушатель должен заранее сформулировать все свои проблемы, которые он хотел бы решить в процессе тренинга. Цель тренинга - не послушать о том, как надо проводить коммуникативные акции в принципе, а приобрести практический опыт коммуникативных акций с учетом индивидуальных психологических особенностей.

    Содержание:

    1. Постановка задач аудитории.
    Определение своих целей и границ успеха

    • Анализ целей и приоритетов презентации, переговорной ситуации, совещания и др.
    • Выработка системы критериев успеха презентации
    • Определение сильных и слабых сторон
    • Определение реальных границ стиля презентации
    • Эмоциональные "спецэффекты": как сделать презентацию запоминающейся?
    2. Анализ аудитории и выработка логической аргументации
    • Картина мира аудитории: правила и ценности
    • Факторный анализ целей и приоритетов аудитории
    • Построение схемы совпадения целей презентатора и аудитории
    • Построение системы аргументов в пользу презентатора
    • Продумывание контр-аргументов для работы с возражениями
    • "Вкусные" истории: case studies, success stories, анекдоты, были и другое
    • Выбор и определение стиля презентации в соответствии со стилем аудитории
    3. Техника публичных выступлений
    • Актерское искусство и имидж: как сделать заранее подготовленное выступление живым?
    • Саморегуляция: как развить уверенность в себе и преодолеть стресс?
    • Работа с коммуникацией: как налаживать и поддерживать контакт с аудиторией? Как справляться с "трудными" участниками?
    • Как работать с агрессией, конфликтом, скрытыми мотивами?
    • Искусство импровизации: как работать с откликом аудитории?
    • Эффективное завершение презентации
    • Делова игра "Презентация (и\или Совещание)"
    4. Ведение переговоров
    • Интерактивная лекция: "Естественные" техники коммуникации в человеческих сообществах.
    • Упражнение на слышание партнера по коммуникации.
    • Техники эффективной коммуникации. Серия упражнений на внушение и противостояние внушению: устный формат.
    5. Деловая игра "Переговоры": оценка переговоров, выбор эффективной тактики и стратегии общения, проведение и анализ переговоров.

    В качестве практического материала используются следующие упражнения:
    1. Case studies и success stories – разбор конкретных ситуаций и так называемые «истории успеха».
    2. Деловые игры по отработке навыков проведения совещаний, переговоров и презентаций.



    Автор:

    Петрова Наталья Петровна - кандидат педагогических наук, докторант Российского Института Культурологии.

    Среди клиентов - "Северные Ветры дистрибьюшн" - "Пивоварни Ивана Таранова", "Консультант+", ИД "Открытые системы", ООО "Центр нефтегазового бизнеса", журнал "Деловая информация", ИД "Айрис-Пресс", Сервисный Центр Honda "Аояма моторз ", торговые дома Красный Куб и Эконика, строительные компании ФСК "Юниформстрой" и ЗАО "Западный Мост", ЗАО " Космос ТВ", ОАО "Алмазный мир", Точка опоры , Исток-Аудио Трейдинг, СИТЭС-кондиционер , РИАЛ Системз, Альвис Плюс, ЗАО "Домир", АО Юнимед, ЗАО "АМТ" МГТС, холдинг "Global Edge", ЗАО "Техкрипэнерго", Финкраска-ФК, Карелия Евроимэкс ДСП, туристическое агентство "Макс-Авиа", Московский Индустриальный Банк и другие.

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    Стоимость участия: 540 $ (включая НДС)

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    "17-19 февраля"
    в Учебном центре Training Line проводится курс

    Ключевые навыки коммуникации. Курс для руководителя. Презентации, совещания, переговоры.

    Курс предназначен: для руководителей организаций и подразделений.

    В регламенте курса практически отсутствует теоретический материал. Соотношение теории и практики - 20/80. В ходе тренинга слушатели участвуют в деловых играх, сопровождаемых видео-съемкой для функционального анализа поведения каждого из участников.
    Достоинство тренинга в том, что на нем анализируется конкретная проблема каждого слушателя. Таким образом, используется индивидуальный коммуникативный стиль, который позволяет решить конкретную ситуацию для слушателя.
    Рекомендация тренера - для максимальной эффективности слушатель должен заранее сформулировать все свои проблемы, которые он хотел бы решить в процессе тренинга. Цель тренинга - не послушать о том, как надо проводить коммуникативные акции в принципе, а приобрести практический опыт коммуникативных акций с учетом индивидуальных психологических особенностей.

    Содержание:

    1. Постановка задач аудитории.
    Определение своих целей и границ успеха

    • Анализ целей и приоритетов презентации, переговорной ситуации, совещания и др.
    • Выработка системы критериев успеха презентации
    • Определение сильных и слабых сторон
    • Определение реальных границ стиля презентации
    • Эмоциональные "спецэффекты": как сделать презентацию запоминающейся?
    2. Анализ аудитории и выработка логической аргументации
    • Картина мира аудитории: правила и ценности
    • Факторный анализ целей и приоритетов аудитории
    • Построение схемы совпадения целей презентатора и аудитории
    • Построение системы аргументов в пользу презентатора
    • Продумывание контр-аргументов для работы с возражениями
    • "Вкусные" истории: case studies, success stories, анекдоты, были и другое
    • Выбор и определение стиля презентации в соответствии со стилем аудитории
    3. Техника публичных выступлений
    • Актерское искусство и имидж: как сделать заранее подготовленное выступление живым?
    • Саморегуляция: как развить уверенность в себе и преодолеть стресс?
    • Работа с коммуникацией: как налаживать и поддерживать контакт с аудиторией? Как справляться с "трудными" участниками?
    • Как работать с агрессией, конфликтом, скрытыми мотивами?
    • Искусство импровизации: как работать с откликом аудитории?
    • Эффективное завершение презентации
    • Делова игра "Презентация (и\или Совещание)"
    4. Ведение переговоров
    • Интерактивная лекция: "Естественные" техники коммуникации в человеческих сообществах.
    • Упражнение на слышание партнера по коммуникации.
    • Техники эффективной коммуникации. Серия упражнений на внушение и противостояние внушению: устный формат.
    5. Деловая игра "Переговоры": оценка переговоров, выбор эффективной тактики и стратегии общения, проведение и анализ переговоров.

    В качестве практического материала используются следующие упражнения:
    1. Case studies и success stories – разбор конкретных ситуаций и так называемые «истории успеха».
    2. Деловые игры по отработке навыков проведения совещаний, переговоров и презентаций.



    Автор:

    Петрова Наталья Петровна - кандидат педагогических наук, докторант Российского Института Культурологии.

    Среди клиентов - "Северные Ветры дистрибьюшн" - "Пивоварни Ивана Таранова", "Консультант+", ИД "Открытые системы", ООО "Центр нефтегазового бизнеса", журнал "Деловая информация", ИД "Айрис-Пресс", Сервисный Центр Honda "Аояма моторз ", торговые дома Красный Куб и Эконика, строительные компании ФСК "Юниформстрой" и ЗАО "Западный Мост", ЗАО " Космос ТВ", ОАО "Алмазный мир", Точка опоры , Исток-Аудио Трейдинг, СИТЭС-кондиционер , РИАЛ Системз, Альвис Плюс, ЗАО "Домир", АО Юнимед, ЗАО "АМТ" МГТС, холдинг "Global Edge", ЗАО "Техкрипэнерго", Финкраска-ФК, Карелия Евроимэкс ДСП, туристическое агентство "Макс-Авиа", Московский Индустриальный Банк и другие.

    Регламент проведения семинара:
    Семинар проходит в течение 3-х дней, с 10-00 до 18-00, с перерывами на обед и кофе-брейки, в учебном классе компании Training Line по адресу: г.Москва, ул. Профсоюзная, д.65.

    Стоимость участия: 540 $ (включая НДС)

    Контактная информация: Мы с удовольствием ответим на ваши вопросы по тел.: 330-38-33, 797-99-66, по эл. почте: sender@inbox.ru

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Swearingen) Date: 06 Feb 2003 12:29:17 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20030206112454.68687593.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: Lines: 18 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tom Rhodes writes: > On 05 Feb 2003 13:43:36 -0800 > swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) wrote: > > > > And maybe one for init(8) which explains how a "security level" can > > make it impossible to rm a file. chflags(1) doesn't mention security > > level either. 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    To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 6 13:21: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DEE137B40D for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:20:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp4.arnet.com.ar (smtp4.arnet.com.ar [200.45.191.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4452A43FDD for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:20:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from websiters@ieg.com.br) Received: (qmail 28409 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2003 21:17:29 -0000 Received: ThePolice Version 0.02 by GCM Received: from unknown (HELO telecent-rx7x1b.saoe.com) (200.43.228.57) by smtp4.arnet.com.ar with SMTP; 6 Feb 2003 21:17:28 -0000 X-Mailer: YAEMB From: websiters@ieg.com.br Subject: ECG y EEG oferta Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 18:20:33 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20030206212053.4452A43FDD@mx1.FreeBSD.org> To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org APAMED-oferta aparatos medicos rosario 10 local 10 tel 4982-0344 apamed@arqa.com GUILLERMO ROBLEDO VENTA: aparatos probados comprobados por servicio tecnico comprobable =========================================================== electroencefalograma EEG 2100 u$s 4450-4483 neurologia ============================================================ electrocardiograma cardio tecnica japonesa rg 301 m digital mod 2001 1 anio de uso estado OK pesos 1750 ============================================================ REVENTA: favor de pasarnos dos lineas con el aparato que desea vender por internet DESUSCRIBIR responda este email sin comentarios To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 6 13:40: 4 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE8537B401 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:40:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59FCA43FB1 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:40:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h16Le1NS012315 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:40:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h16Le1kM012314; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:40:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098B237B406 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:36:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from sub21-156.member.dsl-only.net (sub21-156.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.21.156]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4917843FB1 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:36:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nkinkade@sub21-156.member.dsl-only.net) Received: from nkinkade by sub21-156.member.dsl-only.net with local (Exim 4.10) id 18gthQ-0000Ia-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2003 13:36:48 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 13:36:48 -0800 From: Nathan Kinkade Reply-To: Nathan Kinkade To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/48018: telnetd(8) manpage appears incorrect regarding gettytab Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 48018 >Category: docs >Synopsis: telnetd(8) manpage appears incorrect regarding gettytab >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Feb 06 13:40:00 PST 2003 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Nathan Kinkade >Release: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD sub21-156.member.dsl-only.net 4.7-STABLE FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE #5: Tue Nov 26 21:45:30 PST 2002 root@sub21-156.member.dsl-only.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP i386 >Description: The telnetd manpage clearly states in the Notes subsection that the telnetd will consult /etc/gettytab and process the 'im' capability if specified, and that if the 'if' capability is specified that this will override 'im'. telnetd does process the 'im' capability, but ignores the 'if' capability. It seems apparent from the telnetd source that it doesn't even check for the existence of the 'if' capability. Please see line 778-794 of file /usr/src/libexec/telnetd/telnetd.c. Whereas, the manpage for telnetd(8) reads: "You can also use a System V style /etc/issue file by using the if capability, which will override im. The information specified in either im or if will be displayed to both console and remote logins." >How-To-Repeat: Create the file /etc/issue, or whatever you happen to have specified in /etc/gettytab for the 'if' capability. Then attempt to login to the machine in question using telnet. The contents of the file /etc/issues is not displayed along with the login prompt, although the contents of the 'im' capability are displayed. >Fix: I suppose there are two approaches. Either configure telnetd to honor the 'if' capability of gettytab as the manpage states, or remove the offending text from the Notes subsection of the telnetd(8) manpage. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 6 13:48:57 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E6ED37B401; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:48:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc2-cdif2-5-cust247.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.101.151.247]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE92043FCB; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:48:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.12) id 18gtt7-0004WK-00; Thu, 06 Feb 2003 21:48:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 21:48:53 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Murray Stokely Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Documenting FreeBSD Officers, Hats, and Working Groups Message-ID: <20030206214853.GB17028@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Murray Stokely , doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20030128040205.GO18752@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030128040205.GO18752@freebsdmall.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 08:02:05PM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > The information about the membership of our various committees is > sparsely documented. The FreeBSD Contributor's Guide contains a list > of the core team members, but says nothing about re@ or portmgr@, for > example. Similarly, the releng pages list the membership of those two > groups without listing the members on security-officer@ or the trb@. > > I think all of these hats/groups have worked out well, but I think we > should provide a single document with this information. Maybe we just > need to update some of the pages in the internal website, or maybe a > new document needs to be created, but right now, it is pretty hard to > keep track of all of the different "hats". > > Any takers? I'll have a go if the information can be provided to me. I'm aware of portmgr@, re@, core@, doceng@, so@ and trb@ but I don't know who is in all of them (and some of them aren't really "hats"), and there may be others. I can think of two places off the top of my head, but could do with some input as to where would be most appropriate: i) the existing hats article; ii) the "Who is Responsible for What" part of the contributors article. I'm open to other suggestions. Ceri -- I am the fist of a 250 pound woman! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 6 13:55:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC13937B401; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:55:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA9043FBD; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:55:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mobile.pittgoth.com (acs-24-154-229-196.zoominternet.net [24.154.229.196]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h16LtGfI005571; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:55:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:55:35 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Ceri Davies Cc: murray@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Documenting FreeBSD Officers, Hats, and Working Groups Message-Id: <20030206165535.1503ff12.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20030206214853.GB17028@submonkey.net> References: <20030128040205.GO18752@freebsdmall.com> <20030206214853.GB17028@submonkey.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 21:48:53 +0000 Ceri Davies wrote: > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 08:02:05PM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > > The information about the membership of our various committees is > > sparsely documented. The FreeBSD Contributor's Guide contains a > > list of the core team members, but says nothing about re@ or > > portmgr@, for example. Similarly, the releng pages list the > > membership of those two groups without listing the members on > > security-officer@ or the trb@. > > > > I think all of these hats/groups have worked out well, but I think > > we should provide a single document with this information. Maybe we > > just need to update some of the pages in the internal website, or > > maybe a new document needs to be created, but right now, it is > > pretty hard to keep track of all of the different "hats". > > > > Any takers? > > I'll have a go if the information can be provided to me. > I'm aware of portmgr@, re@, core@, doceng@, so@ and trb@ but I don't > know who is in all of them (and some of them aren't really "hats"), > and there may be others. > > I can think of two places off the top of my head, but could do with > some input as to where would be most appropriate: i) the existing hats > article; ii) the "Who is Responsible for What" part of the > contributors article. I'm open to other suggestions. > I've already started on this Ceri, sorry... I've already began to think about how I want to set this up. I want to define entities so we can do things like: &donations; &so; &so-team; However, developer entities already exist without email addresses, I'm about to just include email addresses into the existing entities and let it go throughout the site. Thats the most logical way IMHO, however I'm still looking at a few other options, which include just not using email addresses, yet that would be a bad idea... If you want to help, your more than welcome! Its a large job ;) -- Tom Rhodes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 6 13:56:28 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A0337B401 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:56:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from straylight.ringlet.net (office.sbnd.net [217.75.140.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 156AE43F75 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:56:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roam@ringlet.net) Received: (qmail 25070 invoked by uid 1000); 6 Feb 2003 21:21:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:21:43 +0200 From: Peter Pentchev To: Ceri Davies Cc: Murray Stokely , doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Documenting FreeBSD Officers, Hats, and Working Groups Message-ID: <20030206212143.GJ73557@straylight.oblivion.bg> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Murray Stokely , doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20030128040205.GO18752@freebsdmall.com> <20030206214853.GB17028@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="h56sxpGKRmy85csR" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030206214853.GB17028@submonkey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --h56sxpGKRmy85csR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 09:48:53PM +0000, Ceri Davies wrote: > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 08:02:05PM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > > The information about the membership of our various committees is > > sparsely documented. The FreeBSD Contributor's Guide contains a list > > of the core team members, but says nothing about re@ or portmgr@, for > > example. Similarly, the releng pages list the membership of those two > > groups without listing the members on security-officer@ or the trb@. > >=20 > > I think all of these hats/groups have worked out well, but I think we > > should provide a single document with this information. Maybe we just > > need to update some of the pages in the internal website, or maybe a > > new document needs to be created, but right now, it is pretty hard to > > keep track of all of the different "hats". > >=20 > > Any takers? >=20 > I'll have a go if the information can be provided to me. > I'm aware of portmgr@, re@, core@, doceng@, so@ and trb@ but I don't know= who > is in all of them (and some of them aren't really "hats"), and there may = be > others. The 'who is in all of them' question is the easy part: take a look at hub:/etc/aliases :) > I can think of two places off the top of my head, but could do with some > input as to where would be most appropriate: i) the existing hats article; > ii) the "Who is Responsible for What" part of the contributors article. > I'm open to other suggestions. I think the hats article would be a good choice, with a couple of links to it from both the Handbook and the Contributors article. [clickety-click] The above represents me writing and then removing a sentence suggesting that we should place this in the Handbook. On second thought, maybe the Hats and Contributors articles were extracted for a reason, and the Handbook should be kept for really everyday use procedures and problems. So yep, IMHO, the Hats article would be a good choice. G'luck, Peter --=20 Peter Pentchev roam@ringlet.net roam@FreeBSD.org PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint FDBA FD79 C26F 3C51 C95E DF9E ED18 B68D 1619 4553 This sentence every third, but it still comprehensible. --h56sxpGKRmy85csR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+QtHn7Ri2jRYZRVMRApFZAKCdOJhZlsf6V/vrLc0Jf8FB3l7gYQCcCXcY J8GnXnRcFwiIVI3SVVWUu3E= =O4GS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --h56sxpGKRmy85csR-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 6 14: 5: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7558537B41F; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:05:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E7D43F85; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:05:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown[12.242.158.67]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02) with ESMTP id <200302062205020020033pbne>; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 22:05:02 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h16M3j5F035466; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:03:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h16M3dm6035461; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:03:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: jojo set sender to swear@attbi.com using -f To: Ruslan Ermilov , Kazuo Horikawa Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: manpage section ordering and mdoc(7) manpage References: <6qel6qif5w.l6q@localhost.localdomain> <20030205.211427.59464356.horikawa@attbi.com> <20030206103215.GB82539@sunbay.com> From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 06 Feb 2003 14:03:39 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20030206103215.GB82539@sunbay.com> Message-ID: <4ty94tcbic.94t@localhost.localdomain> Lines: 47 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ruslan Ermilov writes: > On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 09:14:27PM -0700, Kazuo Horikawa wrote: > > (Cc'ing mdoc(7) authority as he looks missing freebsd-doc mails.) (Thank you, Kazuo; I should have thought of that.) > RETURNS VALUES is NOT optional for sections 2, 3 and 9 functions, > except when the only functions that are documented return "void". > > IMPLEMENTATION NOTES is indeed optional, and "should be used > where appropriate". So we have an "optional" mixed in with the (sometimes) "required", which makes a couple of "the following..." explanations not work. Should the section order standard be changed to group the "required" (i.e., swap "IMPLEMENTATION NOTES" and "RETURN VALUES"), or should the mdoc(7) text be changed so that each section description says whether it's required or not, or what? Note that the template (and some lines following it) disagree (about order) from the "Page Structure Domain"/"Section Headers" subsection. Ruslan, thanks for replying. Do you want me to file a PR on this, or just keep this in e-mail for now, or just go away and leave it to you? (I won't be writing patches for the many other out-of-order manpages, in any case.) > I'm planning on adding yet another standard section, EXIT STATUS, > for sections 1 and 8 manpages; the idea is stolen from 1003.1-2001. And for section 6? (mdoc(7) says .Ex is for 1, 6, 8.) I sure wish .Ex's output sounded less like guru-speak: The cat utility exits 0 on success, and >0 if an error occurs. To a newbie, that doesn't even sound like English. How can a utility exit zero? When did it enter zero? It's programmer's lingo. Maybe: The exit status will be 0 on success, and >0 if an error occurs. Even if readers don't know what "exit status" is, they will at least have a term to go searching for information about. The above rewording also makes the macro work for manpages with multiple command names and for commands which don't really qualify as utilities, like section 6 games and commands like (arguably) reboot(8), savecore(8), sendmail(8). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 6 14:14:59 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5438B37B401; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:14:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc2-cdif2-5-cust247.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.101.151.247]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331F843FCB; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:14:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.12) id 18guIJ-0004fT-00; Thu, 06 Feb 2003 22:14:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 22:14:55 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Tom Rhodes Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Documenting FreeBSD Officers, Hats, and Working Groups Message-ID: <20030206221455.GC17028@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Tom Rhodes , doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20030128040205.GO18752@freebsdmall.com> <20030206214853.GB17028@submonkey.net> <20030206165535.1503ff12.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030206165535.1503ff12.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 04:55:35PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > I've already started on this Ceri, sorry... Damn, now there's a shame... ;^) > I've already began > to think about how I want to set this up. I want to define entities > so we can do things like: > > &donations; > &so; > &so-team; > > However, developer entities already exist without email addresses, > I'm about to just include email addresses into the existing entities > and let it go throughout the site. Thats the most logical way IMHO, > however I'm still looking at a few other options, which include just > not using email addresses, yet that would be a bad idea... I think it would be useful to have a list of all the hats and their members in one place though - I saw at least two people state they didn't know who was in the TRB this week. > If you want to help, your more than welcome! Its a large job ;) You're too kind. Really ;) Ceri -- Demise before evil! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 6 14:30:35 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A9437B401 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:30:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc2-cdif2-5-cust247.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.101.151.247]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB0543FBD for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:30:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.12) id 18guXO-0004j0-00; Thu, 06 Feb 2003 22:30:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 22:30:30 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Peter Pentchev Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Documenting FreeBSD Officers, Hats, and Working Groups Message-ID: <20030206223030.GA18106@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Peter Pentchev , doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20030128040205.GO18752@freebsdmall.com> <20030206214853.GB17028@submonkey.net> <20030206212143.GJ73557@straylight.oblivion.bg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030206212143.GJ73557@straylight.oblivion.bg> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 11:21:43PM +0200, Peter Pentchev wrote: > The above represents me writing and then removing a sentence suggesting > that we should place this in the Handbook. On second thought, maybe the > Hats and Contributors articles were extracted for a reason, and the > Handbook should be kept for really everyday use procedures and problems. Along this train of thought, I was idly wondering if developers' PGP keys really belong in the Handbook. I think that linking to them from the Developers section (which is the only place we have a complete(?) list of committers might be a worthwhile endeavour. I am, as always, open to rebuttal on this. Ceri -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 6 14:41: 4 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8374837B401 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:41:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B6B43F93 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:41:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mobile.pittgoth.com (acs-24-154-229-196.zoominternet.net [24.154.229.196]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h16Mf1fI005755; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:41:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:41:20 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Ceri Davies Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Documenting FreeBSD Officers, Hats, and Working Groups Message-Id: <20030206174120.0075fcd5.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20030206221455.GC17028@submonkey.net> References: <20030128040205.GO18752@freebsdmall.com> <20030206214853.GB17028@submonkey.net> <20030206165535.1503ff12.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030206221455.GC17028@submonkey.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 22:14:55 +0000 Ceri Davies wrote: > On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 04:55:35PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > > I've already began > > to think about how I want to set this up. I want to define entities > > so we can do things like: > > > > &donations; > > &so; > > &so-team; > > > > However, developer entities already exist without email addresses, > > I'm about to just include email addresses into the existing entities > > and let it go throughout the site. Thats the most logical way IMHO, > > however I'm still looking at a few other options, which include just > > not using email addresses, yet that would be a bad idea... > > I think it would be useful to have a list of all the hats and their > members in one place though - I saw at least two people state they > didn't know who was in the TRB this week. Actually, I thought of this so they can be used at the internal area, and then in the places (like releng) we can use entities and just keep one file current. Perhaps hats.ent in the internal area would be a better idea than developers... -- Tom Rhodes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 6 14:58:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A41737B401 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:58:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6576643F75 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:58:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-b184.otenet.gr [212.205.244.192]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h16MwXWx013261; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 00:58:34 +0200 (EET) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h16MwW8Q003640; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 00:58:32 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h16MwVJw003639; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 00:58:31 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 00:58:31 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: FreeBSD-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Error in the handbook Message-ID: <20030206225831.GA3454@gothmog.gr> References: <20030204204905.GA14401@eeoth.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030204204905.GA14401@eeoth.pair.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2003-02-04 14:49, "G. Adam Stanislav" wrote: > I believe there is an error in the FreeBSD Handbook, section 2.13.4, > Installing from an MS-DOS Partition: > > "Each distribution is in its own directory; for example, > the bin distribution can be found in the 5.0/bin/ directory" Just fixed it. Thanks for pointing this out :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 6 15: 2:33 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D38737B401; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:02:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc2-cdif2-5-cust247.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.101.151.247]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 745BE43F75; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:02:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.12) id 18gv2L-0004sy-00; Thu, 06 Feb 2003 23:02:29 +0000 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:02:29 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Tom Rhodes Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Documenting FreeBSD Officers, Hats, and Working Groups Message-ID: <20030206230229.GD18106@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Tom Rhodes , doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20030128040205.GO18752@freebsdmall.com> <20030206214853.GB17028@submonkey.net> <20030206165535.1503ff12.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030206221455.GC17028@submonkey.net> <20030206174120.0075fcd5.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030206174120.0075fcd5.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 05:41:20PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 22:14:55 +0000 > Ceri Davies wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 04:55:35PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > > > > I've already began > > > to think about how I want to set this up. I want to define entities > > > so we can do things like: > > > > > > &donations; > > > &so; > > > &so-team; > > > > > > However, developer entities already exist without email addresses, > > > I'm about to just include email addresses into the existing entities > > > and let it go throughout the site. Thats the most logical way IMHO, > > > however I'm still looking at a few other options, which include just > > > not using email addresses, yet that would be a bad idea... > > > > I think it would be useful to have a list of all the hats and their > > members in one place though - I saw at least two people state they > > didn't know who was in the TRB this week. > > Actually, I thought of this so they can be used at the internal > area, and then in the places (like releng) we can use entities and > just keep one file current. Perhaps hats.ent in the internal area > would be a better idea than developers... We *might* be talking about the same thing here, but I'm not sure. With the addition of the entities you mention above, I had in mind something like (in whereever it ends up). The entire thing is mutable, but it shows what I am talking about quite well: The following teams exist within the FreeBSD organization. &donations; The &donations; exists to coordinate people with stuff to give and people who want it. Their bit of the website is here. The members of the &donations; are: &mwlucas; &obrien; &trhodes; ... &admins; The &admins; look after the project's hardware and network resources. The following people are members of &admins;: &peter; &joe; ... You get the idea. Any and all omissions not intended to cause offence or whatever. Ceri -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 6 15: 9:16 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E49FF37B401; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:09:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB9943F93; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:09:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-b209.otenet.gr [212.205.244.217]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h16N8tWx025085; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 01:08:56 +0200 (EET) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h16N8p8Q003807; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 01:08:51 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h16N8pYU003806; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 01:08:51 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 01:08:51 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Gary W. 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    To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 6 15:40:48 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6AC137B401 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:40:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D08B43FAF for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:40:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mobile.pittgoth.com (acs-24-154-229-196.zoominternet.net [24.154.229.196]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h16NehfI030252; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 18:40:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 18:40:47 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Ceri Davies Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Documenting FreeBSD Officers, Hats, and Working Groups Message-Id: <20030206184047.4b08943a.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20030206230229.GD18106@submonkey.net> References: <20030128040205.GO18752@freebsdmall.com> <20030206214853.GB17028@submonkey.net> <20030206165535.1503ff12.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030206221455.GC17028@submonkey.net> <20030206174120.0075fcd5.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030206230229.GD18106@submonkey.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:02:29 +0000 Ceri Davies wrote: > On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 05:41:20PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 22:14:55 +0000 > > Ceri Davies wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 04:55:35PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > > > > > > I've already began > > > > to think about how I want to set this up. I want to define > > > > entities so we can do things like: > > > > > > > > &donations; > > > > &so; > > > > &so-team; > > > > > > > > However, developer entities already exist without email > > > > addresses, I'm about to just include email addresses into the > > > > existing entities and let it go throughout the site. Thats the > > > > most logical way IMHO, however I'm still looking at a few other > > > > options, which include just not using email addresses, yet that > > > > would be a bad idea... > > > > > > I think it would be useful to have a list of all the hats and > > > their members in one place though - I saw at least two people > > > state they didn't know who was in the TRB this week. > > > > Actually, I thought of this so they can be used at the internal > > area, and then in the places (like releng) we can use entities and > > just keep one file current. Perhaps hats.ent in the internal area > > would be a better idea than developers... > > We *might* be talking about the same thing here, but I'm not sure. > With the addition of the entities you mention above, I had in mind > something like (in whereever it ends up). The entire thing is > mutable, but it shows what I am talking about quite well: > > > The following teams exist within the FreeBSD > organization. > We are extremely close. However, you seem to be looking more at doing this in an article sort of fasion. Let me paint a picture for you with an idea: We have places throughout the website where we list team members/hats. the re area is one. We have other places which list re members and other hats. Why not define these teams in a single file. Then call that file from the other places (ie: parts of the site, hat listings, etc) and then put up a specific page in internal which just lists the hats. I think this would make life much easier for everyone. Ideas? -- Tom Rhodes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 6 16:51:58 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4287137B401; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:51:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA76743F85; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:51:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org (12-240-204-110.client.attbi.com[12.240.204.110]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53) with ESMTP id <20030207005156053003m3t1e>; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 00:51:56 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h170ptRG067759; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:51:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h170ptI7067758; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:51:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:51:55 -0800 From: "Bruce A. Mah" To: Tom Rhodes Cc: Ceri Davies , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Documenting FreeBSD Officers, Hats, and Working Groups Message-ID: <20030207005155.GA67667@intruder.bmah.org> References: <20030128040205.GO18752@freebsdmall.com> <20030206214853.GB17028@submonkey.net> <20030206165535.1503ff12.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030206221455.GC17028@submonkey.net> <20030206174120.0075fcd5.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030206230229.GD18106@submonkey.net> <20030206184047.4b08943a.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030206184047.4b08943a.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If memory serves me right, Tom Rhodes wrote: > We have places throughout the website where we list team members/hats. > the re area is one. >=20 > We have other places which list re members and other hats. Why not > define these teams in a single file. Then call that file from the > other places (ie: parts of the site, hat listings, etc) and then > put up a specific page in internal which just lists the hats. I think this is a good goal, but I'm not sure exactly how to get there. Your suggestion might work. The releng page is an example of how *not* to do this...I have no idea, for example, if our listing of portmgr@ members is correct. (It probably isn't.) At one point I was -> <- this close from getting rid of it and putting a pointer to some portmgr@-maintained list of its membership...but I couldn't find one. Bruce. --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+QwMq2MoxcVugUsMRAsIuAJ9rmA5SBiIPjBBp3//aZaaVE0voaACcCb6J Rjv6qx0oJBQy1OnqzJvqVQs= =KmG6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 6 17:21: 5 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B83337B401; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:21:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A70943FB1; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:21:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mobile.pittgoth.com ([192.168.0.5]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h171KufI030568; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 20:20:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 20:21:10 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: setantae@submonkey.net, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Documenting FreeBSD Officers, Hats, and Working Groups Message-Id: <20030206202110.76ae4e7e.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20030207005155.GA67667@intruder.bmah.org> References: <20030128040205.GO18752@freebsdmall.com> <20030206214853.GB17028@submonkey.net> <20030206165535.1503ff12.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030206221455.GC17028@submonkey.net> <20030206174120.0075fcd5.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030206230229.GD18106@submonkey.net> <20030206184047.4b08943a.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030207005155.GA67667@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:51:55 -0800 "Bruce A. Mah" wrote: > If memory serves me right, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > We have places throughout the website where we list team > > members/hats. the re area is one. > > > > We have other places which list re members and other hats. Why not > > define these teams in a single file. Then call that file from the > > other places (ie: parts of the site, hat listings, etc) and then > > put up a specific page in internal which just lists the hats. > > I think this is a good goal, but I'm not sure exactly how to get > there. Your suggestion might work. > > The releng page is an example of how *not* to do this...I have no > idea, for example, if our listing of portmgr@ members is correct. (It > probably isn't.) At one point I was -> <- this close from getting rid > of it and putting a pointer to some portmgr@-maintained list of its > membership...but I couldn't find one. > > Bruce. > Actually, I have been thinking this over a bit now. I'll define a hats.ent file in the internal/ area. This is where we put authortive groups, with their memebers, and their @FreeBSD.org email address. This will in fact create the list we need, without adding @FreeBSD.org to all the current entities in developers.sgml. We then include the entities from this file in places where we need to list hats, for example releng/ could have: re-main re-ia64 and those entities will list the current members of their party. Then, when hats change, this file only is updated, and *bang* next rebuild of the site all hats are updated. The only real question I have is: Should this entity only list the hat owners? Or have the html code (docbook code in the doc/ tree) to create a table'ed like listing? -- Tom Rhodes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 6 17:38: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2AFC37B401; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:38:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1304743FBF; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:38:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org (12-240-204-110.client.attbi.com[12.240.204.110]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51) with ESMTP id <20030207013803051007dr36e>; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 01:38:03 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h171c3RG068173; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:38:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h171c3pD068172; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:38:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:38:03 -0800 From: "Bruce A. Mah" To: Tom Rhodes Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , setantae@submonkey.net, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Documenting FreeBSD Officers, Hats, and Working Groups Message-ID: <20030207013803.GA68113@intruder.bmah.org> References: <20030128040205.GO18752@freebsdmall.com> <20030206214853.GB17028@submonkey.net> <20030206165535.1503ff12.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030206221455.GC17028@submonkey.net> <20030206174120.0075fcd5.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030206230229.GD18106@submonkey.net> <20030206184047.4b08943a.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030207005155.GA67667@intruder.bmah.org> <20030206202110.76ae4e7e.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030206202110.76ae4e7e.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If memory serves me right, Tom Rhodes wrote: > Actually, I have been thinking this over a bit now. I'll define a > hats.ent file in the internal/ area. This is where we put authortive > groups, with their memebers, and their @FreeBSD.org email address. Hmmm. Now I'm confused. Is this for the Web site? I would have expected a hats.sgml in the top-level directory (en/), roughly analogous to developers.sgml. > This will in fact create the list we need, without adding @FreeBSD.org > to all the current entities in developers.sgml. >=20 > We then include the entities from this file in places where we need > to list hats, for example releng/ could have: >=20 > re-main > re-ia64 >=20 > and those entities will list the current members of their party. > Then, when hats change, this file only is updated, and *bang* next > rebuild of the site all hats are updated. OK, sounds good, as long as we don't have to bikeshed too much about the format of what the lists should look like (punctuation, crud like that). > The only real question I have is: Should this entity only list the > hat owners? Or have the html code (docbook code in the doc/ tree) > to create a table'ed like listing? I recommend starting small. If you try to get fancy with table-like listings, you risk colliding with some other Web page author's idea of what the table should look like. :-) Bruce. --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+Qw362MoxcVugUsMRAg45AJ9gs3iScRJpQnJ2PzfgaINvBHb7fwCfX2HX Mml9xQ264/WZn4vz4eJHEFU= =Deun -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 6 17:52:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 918D637B439; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:52:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15B843F85; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:52:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mobile.pittgoth.com ([192.168.0.5]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h171q9fI030680; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 20:52:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 20:52:28 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: bmah@FreeBSD.org, setantae@submonkey.net, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Documenting FreeBSD Officers, Hats, and Working Groups Message-Id: <20030206205228.42486a38.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20030207013803.GA68113@intruder.bmah.org> References: <20030128040205.GO18752@freebsdmall.com> <20030206214853.GB17028@submonkey.net> <20030206165535.1503ff12.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030206221455.GC17028@submonkey.net> <20030206174120.0075fcd5.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030206230229.GD18106@submonkey.net> <20030206184047.4b08943a.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030207005155.GA67667@intruder.bmah.org> <20030206202110.76ae4e7e.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030207013803.GA68113@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:38:03 -0800 "Bruce A. 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I would have > expected a hats.sgml in the top-level directory (en/), roughly > analogous to developers.sgml. > Actually I felt like using in doc/ and www/, however, I don't really see much use in putting the file in the doc/ tree. -- Tom Rhodes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 6 19:54: 8 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8485937B405 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 19:54:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from hknetmail.com (nweb.hknetmail.com [202.67.240.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A462743FCB for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 19:54:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ugochukwu@hknetmail.com) Received: (qmail 5788 invoked by uid 8888); 7 Feb 2003 01:58:48 -0000 Received: from 80.179.101.210 ( [80.179.101.210]) as user ugochukwu@nweb.hknet.com by www.hknetmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:58:04 +0800 Message-ID: <1044583084.3e4312ac12a81@www.hknetmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:58:04 +0800 From: ugochukwu@hknetmail.com To: ugochukwu@hknetmail.com Subject: FINANCIAL UPLIFTMENT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 80.179.101.210 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org DEAR BRETHEN , I AM GREETING YOU TODAY WITH HAPPINESS AND JOY AS I BRING TO YOU THIS NOBLE IDEA TOWARDS UPLIFTMENT OF MANKIND IN THE UNIVERS. 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Swearingen" Cc: Kazuo Horikawa , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: manpage section ordering and mdoc(7) manpage Message-ID: <20030207160213.GA71529@sunbay.com> References: <6qel6qif5w.l6q@localhost.localdomain> <20030205.211427.59464356.horikawa@attbi.com> <20030206103215.GB82539@sunbay.com> <4ty94tcbic.94t@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="envbJBWh7q8WU6mo" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4ty94tcbic.94t@localhost.localdomain> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 02:03:39PM -0800, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: > Ruslan Ermilov writes: >=20 > > On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 09:14:27PM -0700, Kazuo Horikawa wrote: > > > (Cc'ing mdoc(7) authority as he looks missing freebsd-doc mails.) >=20 > (Thank you, Kazuo; I should have thought of that.) >=20 > > RETURNS VALUES is NOT optional for sections 2, 3 and 9 functions, > > except when the only functions that are documented return "void". > >=20 > > IMPLEMENTATION NOTES is indeed optional, and "should be used > > where appropriate". >=20 > So we have an "optional" mixed in with the (sometimes) "required", which > makes a couple of "the following..." explanations not work. Should the > section order standard be changed to group the "required" (i.e., swap > "IMPLEMENTATION NOTES" and "RETURN VALUES"), or should the mdoc(7) text > be changed so that each section description says whether it's required > or not, or what? >=20 I don't see any problems with the current scheme. The only required sessions are NAME, SYNOPSIS, and DESCRIPTION. Everything else should be uncommented and used where appropriate. "Where appropriate" is described individually for some sections (I mean the comments in the A MANUAL PAGE TEMPLATE section of mdoc(7)). Sections are also listed in the order they should be. > Note that the template (and some lines following it) disagree (about > order) from the "Page Structure Domain"/"Section Headers" subsection. >=20 Have I overlooked something when I was editing this back in 2001? > Ruslan, thanks for replying. Do you want me to file a PR on this, or > just keep this in e-mail for now, or just go away and leave it to you? > (I won't be writing patches for the many other out-of-order manpages, > in any case.) >=20 No PRs are needed. We should just work something out and then fix it. > > I'm planning on adding yet another standard section, EXIT STATUS, > > for sections 1 and 8 manpages; the idea is stolen from 1003.1-2001. >=20 > And for section 6? (mdoc(7) says .Ex is for 1, 6, 8.) >=20 Strictly speaking, yes, but none of the current section 6 manpages document their exit statuses. > I sure wish .Ex's output sounded less like guru-speak: >=20 > The cat utility exits 0 on success, and >0 if an error occurs. >=20 > To a newbie, that doesn't even sound like English. How can a utility > exit zero? When did it enter zero? It's programmer's lingo. Maybe: >=20 > The exit status will be 0 on success, and >0 if an error occurs. >=20 English speakers have to decide here. In Russian, we have this phrase sounding like "The cat utility returns 0 on successful termination, and >0 otherwise." Let me know if you can come up to an agreement on better wording; I can fix this fast and easily. > Even if readers don't know what "exit status" is, they will at least > have a term to go searching for information about. >=20 Well, readers that are unfamiliar with some manual section terms should first read the "intro" manpage for this section, like e.g. intro(1) which explains this in good details (IMO). > The above rewording > also makes the macro work for manpages with multiple command names and > for commands which don't really qualify as utilities, like section 6 > games and commands like (arguably) reboot(8), savecore(8), sendmail(8). >=20 I think the above wording is not good for at least one reason: if you document multiple utilities in a single manpage, it should be possible to explicitly document different exit statuses for different utilities. BTW, the .Ex macro is already "smart" with its wording when supplied multiple arguments. Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+Q9iFUkv4P6juNwoRAu1JAJ9WoMA2Tt6wXI33Jz7YA9GEjBwt3wCcCw7O uQGSFPm/4wAG+ovi05nmxvk= =5W05 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Feb 7 8:16: 4 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5EE37B851 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 08:15:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from soul-patrol.com (ool-182edf5c.dyn.optonline.net [24.46.223.92]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 505C143FBF for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 08:15:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from newsletter@soul-patrol.com) From: "Soul-Patrol Newsletter" To: Subject: Your Free Soul-Patrol Newsletter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 11:16:46 -0500 Reply-To: "Soul-Patrol Newsletter" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20030207161507.505C143FBF@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Soul-Patrol Newsletter # 4: Black History Month, Soul, Jazz, Slow Jams, Black Rock, Funk, Doo Wop, Neo Soul, Tom Joyner, Jazzhole, Victor Wooten, Harptones, Michael B Sutton, Soul-Patrol Newsletter


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    Black History Month

    Table of Contents

    1. CD Review - Jazzhole: 'Circle Of the Sun' 
    2. CD Review: Floetry's Floetic
    3. Commentary - I have a few issues with Tom Joyner (part 1)
    4. Concert Review - Victor Wooten at the Knitting Factory 1/21/2003
    5. Competition in Radio and Concert Industries Act: Good News For Artists and Consumers (Bad News For Clear Channel, Joyner, Hughes and other KNEE-GRO Radio Station Operators)
    6. Soul-Patrol.Net Radio - January Top 20  Programs 
    7. Soul-Patrollers In The News 
    8. Febuary Online Chat Sessions (Ray, Goodman & Brown, Harptones, Black Ivory, Mtume)
    9. Soul-Patrol Black History Month Offline Events (DC, Tampa, Pittsburgh, Philly, LA &NYC) 

    A brief introduction to those of you who might be new to Soul-Patrol.com. The award winning Soul-Patrol.com website has been one of the leading voices on the internet in the arena of featuring the best on the net in Soul, Jazz, Slow Jams, Black Rock, Funk, Doo Wop, Neo Soul and about the culture since 1996.

    We call the concept...
    'GREAT BLACK MUSIC FROM THE ANCIENT TO THE FUTURE'

    The publication you are reading now is called The Soul-Patrol Newsletter and it is designed to keep you abreast of news and views regarding this music/culture on a bi-monthly basis. Our objective is to provide you with information (CD Reviews, Concert Reviews, Commentary, Online Events, Offline Events, etc) on a timely basis that will lead to your participation either online or offline in the many musical/cultural things that the great artists we love provide for us.

    We feel that it is of paramount importance that YOU participate, because without YOUR active participation, the culture we love is going to die a slow and painful death!


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    NOTE:All of the music that you can access from this publication is being streamed via RealAudio with the consent of the artist/copy write holder with the hope that you will take a listen and decide to give them a chance to earn a place in your music collection. Soul-Patrol partners with these entities and others to fulfill it's mission to help to facilitate the extension of "Great Black Music into the Future", so that it's historical legacy will be available to our children.
    Feel free to email me with any ideas, suggestions or complaints about this publication

    --Bob Davis
    earthjuice@prodigy.net

    1. CD Review - Jazzhole: 'Circle Of the Sun'      

    JazzholeHow many of yall remember the NYC based group called " JAZZHOLE"? Remember they were pretty hot for a while in the 1990's 'acid jazz' scene, putting out some truly innovative and FUNKY sounds.  Jazzhole have been members of Soul-Patrol for several years now and I am pretty excited to be able to be in a position to tell you all about their SLAMMIN new CD called 'Circle Of the Sun. I've been listening to it over the past few weeks and it's badd! 

    Jazzhole has been around for quite a while and has been one of the leaders in putting out some high quality (and FUNKY) music against the current tide of worthless CRAP for the last decade.

    Of course the rest of the world now seems to be catching up with the vision of what Jazzhole has been trying to do. I think the mass media now refers to this kind of music as "neo soul"? (screw the label, the music is damn good) However they aren't ready to rest on the accomplishments of the past. Jazzhole has got a BRAND NEW CD called "Circle Of the Sun", which is off the hook and well worth your consideration at this time. Go to the link and check it out and while you are there you can also check out some of the sound clips from the legacy that Jazzhole has been building over the course of the past 10 years. take a listen and let me know what cha think?

    (PREDICTION: 2003 will be a GREAT year for NEW music)

    --Bob Davis

    2. Floetry's "Floetic" (Hype or the Real Deal?)

    What kinda hype? If there's any hype surrounding Floetry's "Floetic", I haven't been paying much (if any) attention to it. And, if the "hype" YOU mention comes from, say, airings of music videos on cable, then forget it, since I don't DO cable, man... "Floetic" came to my attention, via word-of-mouth from some other, independent sources whom I trust. But, as always, and in the end, I form my OWN opinions about the music I like, as well as other things in this life. *I* am MY OWN leader (within), with the Lord (Goddess) as CEO (outside of myself)... That's just how it goes, for me. Moving on... What's my opinion? I like this CD, overall :)... As I listen to a lot of the cuts, I find myself wantin' to dance! There IS a groove there that *I* (at least) can feel. Plus, I have been gettin' into the lyrics, as well as the interplay between the spoken word and singing on many of the selections. AND, I don't get offended and/or depressed by the lyrics, either (a BIG thumbs UP!...). IMHO, these sisters have got somethin' goin' on, have a few thangs to say, and *I*, at least, feel it, and see more potential. As far as I can tell, the "floetist" can FLOW, and the "songstress" can SANG, in this duo. "Floetic" (title cut), "Fun", "If I Was A Bird", and "Butterflies" are some of my favorites on that CD, and at the moment. And, I'm sure that you know that Floetry wrote "Butterflies", and Michael Jackson recorded it on his OWN joint, right? Well, *I* like Floetry's version of THEIR own song much better :)... So, that's my opinion. Remember, YOU asked for it, and you GOT it...LOL! What say YOU??

    3. Commentary: I have a few issues with Tom Joyner (part 1)      

    a. When he comes into a market he forces the stations established morning man OUT! He even did it to his own 'boy' Isaac Hayes.
    Tom is going to be the only star and he is not going to deal with another DJ who has a style or following.

    b. I also am disheartened at the number of black author's who have written to talk about the shaft of being on Sybil's book club. They pay $1500.00 for the 3 minutes on air. They get there and find out Sybil has not read their book so they must supply notes and then there is no promotion for the event and the author's (unless they are already big names) have no audience for the book club portion.

    c. Also, I heard a few years ago there was a story explaining that when you call into the TJ Foundation to donate, $15.00 to HBCU that $7.00 goes to the school and $8.00 goes to the TJ foundation. I'd love to really find out the truth behind that one if anyone can shed some light? The scholarship money TJ passes out over the air is sad. $1500.00. The cabins on his cruise cost more. Go to a local Links, Jack & Jill, Delta, Omega, Alpha, AKA any of their scholarship dinners and they'll be giving out far greater amount than TJ does on a national level. For the money TJ pulls in he should be giving substantial awards.

    d. He says his mission is supposed to be keeping old school on the Air. Well, commercial artists with big labels don't need his help but why they are his guests? Look at his guest list. Do you ever see the DELLS? Do you ever hear Ray, Goodman & Brown? What about Billy Paul and TJ always has a Mrs. Jones story. Look at the core of Classic Soul and the artists AREN’T on Tom's show. If you can't buy your way on it isn’t happening. How many times does Luther need to be a guest? But Edwin Starr, Bettye LaVette, King Floyd, and a list of Classic Soul artist all had new CD's released but you won't hear them on TJ's show. Ever hear TJ talk about the inductions into the R&R Hall of Fame. He has a national platform and could champion a few black artists into the hall. But the voice of Black America is silent on those issues. I just think if he is going to wear that title he should truly use his voice where it will best benefit his listener’s IMHO

    --Peace & Blessings, Sistah Rib

    4. Concert Review: Victor Wooten at the Knitting Factory 1/21/2003  


    Victor Wooten

    We had an absolutely MAGNIFICENT time at the Victor Wooten Show last Friday here at the Knitting Factory Hollywood...Victor, his brothers and MC Divinity were a musician's delight and certainly the standing room only capacity crowd of approximately 600 thought so as well during the 3 1/2 hour performance which should ensure many more return performances in the future!! Oh Yes!!

    AWESOME to say the least and this performance truly put all the pieces in place as we of course saw him with Bela at UCLA several months ago and now we have had the wonderful opportunity to see the extensions of this Great Showman, and the complete band, down to the magic tricks. In between time, we were treated to a fabulous segment with J.D. Blair who sat in on the drums and came to the forefront demonstrating one of the routines he and Victor used to do when he was in the group prior to his current duties with Shania Twain (who Victor also told the audience to look out for JD at the Super Bowl performance). Reggie Wooten is no doubt "The Teacher" and his precision is lighting sharp and colorful. You can tell they had a BLAST coming up together playing real music with the correct chord changes...Most of the material was from the ‘Live In America’ CD with stratospheric Funk, Fusion, Soul and Jazz with plenty of comic relief in between..:-)

    The show was simply FANTASTIC and Victor's final note on the war, peace and simply just pulling together as one people, with LOVE, completed the Pure, Live, music excursion...They are at The Coachouse this week in San Juan Capistrano.. again we look forward to their return.. And as Debra, Karl, Bob, Gary and all have said time and time again after seeing their show, the Wooten Brothers should be A MUST for all to see!!

    Lastly, it was pleasure to meet and greet the new Los Angeles/West Coast Soul-Patrol Coordinator Vernon Wright  who we look forward to working with in the next couple of months as we emerge from our studio projects...:-)

    It's All About the Music..:-)
    Lisa Gay
    www.LisaGayandThrill.com

    5. Competition in Radio and Concert Industries Act: Good News For Artists and Consumers (Bad News For Clear Channel, Joyner, Hughes and other KNEE-GRO Radio Station Operators)  

    I urge you all to please see the details about this legislation at Senator Feingold's website at:
    http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/releases/03/01/2003128910.html

    In my opinion this is a good piece of legislation and hopefully it will be ratified by
    Congress.
    I know that Black folks aren't supposed to care about stuff like this, but it's when we don't that we usually end up getting SCREWED.
    If it this legislation is passed, there will be relief provided to BOTH artists and consumers.
    It would ultimately lead to an END to the current MONOPOLISTIC/FASCIST policies currently being employed by KNEE-GRO RADIO STATION OPERATORS (both Black and White).

    In my opinion this is an important development and it's RIGHT ON TIME FOR BLACK HISTORY MONTH. My view is that our 'history of our music won't even have a future at all', if the CESSPOOL of modern day KNEE-GRO radio isn't cleaned up.

    I would ask ALL Soul-Patrollers to consider doing one or both of the following...

    a. If you feel so inclined, feel free to write Senator Feingold at the following email address to tell him that you support this legislation:
    russell_feingold@feingold.senate.gov

    b. Forward this email to as many people as you know who care about the past present and
    future of OUR culture.

    I urge you all to please see the details about this legislation at Senator Feingold's website at:
    http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/releases/03/01/2003128910.html

    Thanks In Advance
    Bob Davis
    www.soul-patrol.com
    earthjuice@prodigy.net

    6. Soul-Patrol.Net Radio January Top 20  

    Here are the most listened to broadcasts currently playing on Soul-Patrol.Net radio. industry,  the year 2002 was indeed a great year for newly released music!  The year 2003 looks to be just as good with the following new releases coming our way in 2003.

    1. Supremes Anthology
    Click Here To Listen Online

    2. Ray Goodman and Brown - A Moment With Friends
    Click Here To Listen Online

    3. Victor Wooten - Live In America
    Click Here To Listen Online

    4. Marvin Gaye - What's Going On
    Click Here To Listen Online

    5. Jackson Five Sampler
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    6. Sonny Boy - Urban Misfit
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    7. Rick James - Street Songs Live
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    8. Smokey Robinson and the Miracles - Going To A Go Go/Away We A Go Go
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    9. Soul-Patrol Digest Magazine Overview
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    10. Rare Funk w/Mr. C
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    11. Gary Tyson's Jimi Hendrix Retrospective
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    12. Gary Tyson's Five Stairsteps Retrospective
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    13. Marvin Gaye - Let's Get It On
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    14. Original P - Live at the Roxy in Boston (1999)
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    15. Mandrill - Peace and Love
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    16. Will Chill Master of the Slow Jam #1
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    17. Soul Sanctuary - Fertile Ground, Rhythm Republik, Julie Dexter, BlaKbushe
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    18. Soul-Patrol Salutes Isaac Hayes
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    19. Soul-Patrol Jazz - Philip Bailey, Jonathan Butler, Monette Sundler, Leroy Wolford,
    D'Ernia, Dale Fildler
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    20. Will Chill Master of the Slow Jam #2
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    7. Soul-Patrollers In The News

  • Standing in the Shadows of Motown (HIP-O Records and produced by our own Harry Weinger) Has Received Two Grammy Nominations for: 1) Best Traditional R&B Vocal Performance and Chaka Khan & The Funk Brothers: "What's Going On". 2) Best Compilation Soundtrack Album For A Motion Picture, TV or Other Visual Media Standing In The Shadows Of Motown The Funk Brothers & Various Artists.
     
  • Soul-Patrollers, The Mighty, Mighty Dells were recently presented with the keys to the city of their hometown of Harvey, IL, by mayor Nickolas Greaves, in recognition of their 50 years in the entertainment business.
     
  • Soul-Patroller and legendary Philadelphia Disc Jockey 'Giant' Gene Arnold was recently inducted into the Disco Hall of Fame'. Be sure to check out Giant Gene's History of Disco Part 3 being featured as a part of our Black History Month celebration on Soul-Patrol.Net Radio.

  • Soul/Jazz/Funk music legends Michael Henderson, Billy Paul and Jean Carne will be appearing at Yoshi's in the San Francisco Bay Area july 15-16.

  • Our very own MIGHTY SAM MCCLAIN (the best Soul Singer alive) will be relasing a brand new, independently produced CD entitled: 'ONE MORE BRIDGE TO CROSS'. We have already heard it and it should be on your MUST HAVE LIST for this year. We will be talking quite a bit about this CD and about Mighty Sam throught the year. You can visit his website and listen to some clips and if you like what you hear, we urge you to pre-order the CD directly from the site.

  • I have long been a fan of Jazzhole's blend of jazz/funk/soul. They manage to put out SLAMMIN music that respects the traditions of the past, without sounding 'retro'. Check out Jazzhole's brand new CD 'Circle Of The Sun', at their newly redesigned website at www.jazzhole.com

  • Did yall notice Soul-Patroller JD Blair (from the Victor Wooten Band) playing drums behind Shania Twain during the halftime show at the Super Bowl? Up on that stage he was pretty easy to spot :-)

  • Time To Get Funked Up Los Angeles!!!!  Rio Soul and Slapbak live at B.B. Kings - Universal Citywalk, Saturday Night - February 8th at 9pm and the damage is just $10.00.  Bring your “Starchild Shades” with you.

  • Be sure to check out the new Valentine's Day releases from our friends at HIP-O Records featuring: Gregory Isaacs, Patti LaBelle, Will Downing and Angela Winbush.

  • Look for reviews of new music coming soon from Soul Generation, Jeff Lorber, Etta James, BlaKbushe, Spyro Gyra, Marion Meadows, Joe McBride, Calvin Owens, Queen Esther.

  • Look out Southern California!! Our resident "love man", brotha WILL WHEATON will be bringing his silky voice to the following venues in February:
    - February 7th & 8th Stevie's Creole Cafй 16911 Ventura Blvd. Encino, Ca.818.528.3500 Showtime 9:00 pm
    - February 14th Valentines Day The Warehouse Restaurant 4499Admiralty Way Marina Del Rey, Ca. 90292 Showtime 9:00 pm
    - February 21th & 22nd Stevie's Creole Cafй 16911 Ventura Blvd. Encino, Ca. 818 528 3500 Showtime 9:00 pm

  • If you are planning to come to NYC next month for either the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremonies or the R&B Foundation Pioneer Awards, be sure to drop me an email and let me know.


    If you have a news item, update, etc that you would like to submit to the Soul-Patrol Newsletter, please send them via email to:
     
    8. Upcoming Online Chat Sessions

    Soul-Patrol.com will be having a special series of online chat sessions, featuring some of our favorite artists, who will join us live in the Soul-Patrol chat room and answer your questions in celebration of Black History Month, stay tuned for email alerts on the chat schedule and other online updates for www.soul-patrol.com .  Here is what we have on tap so far
  • Doo Wop Chat Session/Listening Party with the Harptones (Mr. Raoul Cita) 2/12/2003 at 10 pm est.
  • Classic Soul Chat Session/Listening Party with Black Ivory (Mr. Stuart Bascomb) 2/19/2003 at 10 pm est.
  • Jazz/Funk Chat Session/Listening Party with James Mtume 2/26/2003 at 10 pm est.

  • 9. Upcoming Offline Soul-Patrol Events

    Soul-Patrol will be having a series of offline events celebrating Black History Month during February in Los Angeles (Vernon Wright), Pittsburgh (Kevin Amos), Chicago (Karl Williams), NYC (Cheryl Page), Wahington DC (Zenobia Leviston)<, Tampa (Marsha Thomas) and Philadelphia (Blanche Valentine ).  If you live in these areas feel free to contact the appropriate person via email for more details.  In addition we will be sending all subscribers to this publication a separate email announcement concerning these events, based on the zip code information you have given us.

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    PITTSBURGH, PA
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    Ol' School Night in tha Burg' Soul Patrol Style EVERY Tuesday Night In February!!
    7:00 pm - 12:00 am ( EST )
    Location: Kelly's Pittsburgh/East Liberty

    All you Soul Patrollers in the Tri-state area come on out and join your host DJ Stephan Brodus on tha wheels of steel and the Funkoverlord, Kevin Amos, for an evening of great Classic Selection Of Soul, Funk & Jazz.
    Kelly's is located at 6012 Penn Circle South just above S. Highland and right below the MLK Jr. Busway about half a block. Bring your friends and rock this funky joint on a Tuesday!
    6012 Penn Circle South, East Liberty/Pittsburgh (412) 363-6012

    For further information contact Kevin Amos - Chcago Soul-Patrol Chapter Coordinator

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    WASHINGTON, DC/MARYLAND/VIRGINIA
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    The Dells & The Temptations
    February 14, 2003
    7:00 pm - 11:00 pm ( EST )
    Location: Baltimore Arena - 201 Baltimore St. - Baltimore, MD

    Valentines Night with the Love Songs of The Dells & Temptations with special guest, Harold Melvin's Bluenotes & The Soft Tones. Wow!!! This show is a must. Ticket Prices are $50, $35 & $27.50 on Sale Now.

    For more information contact Zenobia Leviston - DC/MD/VA Soul-Patrol Chapter Coordinator

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    NEW YORK, NEW YORK
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    'Jazz: The True Welcome'
    Saturday, Feb. 15th 3 p.m.
    Location: Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York, NY

    As part of Black History Month, Soul-Patrol is going to see the film "Jazz: The True Welcome", directed by Ken Burns. This film highlights the music of Louis Armstrong, Chick Webb, Duke Ellington, Benny Goodman between 1929 and 1934.

    THIS IS A FREE EVENT!!! Please RSVP a.s.a.p


    Friday, February 21, 2003

    SP'er Luis Bernard, Spoken Word Artist
    Open Mic at 7 pm, Show starts at 9 pm
    Location: Vibe Theory @ 2 Steps Down Restaurant, 240 DeKalb Avenue between (Vanderbilt and Clermont Streets) Brooklyn, NY

    Our fellow SP'er, Luis Bernard, resumed his writing a few months ago and has been really hitting the Open Mic events at different venues. His work has been very well received everywhere he has performed. After only 3 months of performing, Luis was asked to be a featured artist! Luis has now been featured 5 times!!! Soul-Patrol will be out in full force to support Luis as a Spoken Word Artist and to celebrate his Birthday!!
    Vibe Theory is run by Bless and Sadiq Truth and the Show is hosted by Buttafly. This is not to be missed! So come on down to celebrate!!
    Price $8.00
    Reasonably priced Soul-Food and Seafood
    There is limited seating, so you must RSVP A.S.A.P.!!

    For further information contact Cheryl Page- NYC Soul-Patrol Chapter Coordinator

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    TAMPA BAY, FL
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    Monday, February 24, 2003
    BLACK HISTORY CELEBRATION 2003
    7:00 pm - 9:30 pm ( EST )
    Location: TAMPA BAY, FL
    Traditional African Folk Tales, Storytelling And Singing. By Soul-Patrol Own Kwabena Dinizulu. Share The Sprit Of Black Heritage Through This Program Together Is Better With The Entire Family.

    Hillsborough County
    John F. Germany Public Library
    900 North Ashley Dr.
    Tampa, Fl 33602
    (813)273-3652
    For further information contact Marsha Thomas - Tampa Soul-Patrol Chapter Coordinator


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    PHILADELPHIA, PA
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    Philly Posse is Jumpin' Blues and Jazz
    Friday, February 21 at 8PM
    Location: Sedgwick Cultural Center 7137 Germantown Ave. Philadelphia, PA 19119 Phone: 215-248-9229

    Ok Patroller's I have said I'm back and I am in full effect. The city of Brotherly LOVE is sizzling with live performances of some of the hottest unsung talents in the nation.
    And if you wanna do yourself a "flavor" join us for this particular Black History month event on Friday, February 21 at 8PM we'll be viewing a fantastic rare film and jammin to a jazz/blues concert (hey I said Jumpin' Blues and Jazz)
    Prior to the film we will be joining film scholar Larry Richards for a presentation and chat on early jazz and blues (aka soundies) recorded on film. Then we'll be treated to a showing of a rare jazz "soundie" plus the rarely seen film gem "Reet, Petite, and Gone" (1947) starring Louis Jordan. Tickets include a special pre-screening concert by the Eric Wortham Trio. Tickets: $8 in advance (members $7) $10 at the door (members $8).

    For further information contact Blanche Valentine - Philly/NJ Soul-Patrol Chapter Coordinator

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    LOS ANGELES, CA
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    (To Be Announced)
    Vernon Wright - LA Soul-Patrol Chapter Coordinator

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    CHICAGO, IL
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    (To Be Announced)

    Karl Williams - Chcago Soul-Patrol Chapter Coordinator

    Hopefully you enjoyed this edition of the Soul-Patrol Newsletter.
    We will be back in about two weeks with the next edition, with any email alerts as required.

    If you have any comments, questions, etc feel free to drop me an email and let me know what's on your mind.

    Bob Davis
     earthjuice@prodigy.net

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    To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Feb 7 15:57: 7 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C1C37B401 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 15:57:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (eos.ocn.ne.jp [211.6.83.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FCB743F75 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 15:57:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp) Received: from mail.allbsd.org (p57194-adsao12honb4-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp [220.96.139.194]) by smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEDC432F6 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 08:57:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (alph.allbsd.org [192.168.0.10]) by mail.allbsd.org (8.12.6/3.7W/DomainMaster) with ESMTP id h17NqCJ8013219 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 08:52:12 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp) Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 08:47:48 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20030208.084748.55715545.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: /etc/start_if.${ifn} From: Hiroki Sato X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 2.2 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="--Next_Part(Sat_Feb__8_08:47:48_2003_908)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----Next_Part(Sat_Feb__8_08:47:48_2003_908)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have found it is not documented that if /etc/start_if.${ifn} is present it is executed from /etc/rc.d/network1. Is it mentioned somewhere? If not, I would like to add a description into rc.conf(5) like the attached patch. -- | Hiroki SATO / ----Next_Part(Sat_Feb__8_08:47:48_2003_908)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="rc.conf.5.diff" Index: rc.conf.5 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/share/man/man5/rc.conf.5,v retrieving revision 1.172 diff -d -u -I\$FreeBSD:.*\$ -I\$Id:.*\$ -I\$hrs:.*\$ -r1.172 rc.conf.5 --- rc.conf.5 19 Jan 2003 01:49:31 -0000 1.172 +++ rc.conf.5 7 Feb 2003 23:29:36 -0000 @@ -643,6 +643,12 @@ be added since the search would stop with the missing alias3 entry. .Pp +If +.Pa /etc/start_if. Ns Aq Ar interface +files are present, they are executed as sh-scripts before +configurations specified in +.Va ifconfig_ Ns Aq Ar interface . +.Pp It is possible to bring up an interface with DHCP by setting the .Va ifconfig_ Ns Aq Ar interface variable to ----Next_Part(Sat_Feb__8_08:47:48_2003_908)---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Feb 7 18: 5:36 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95FC737B401 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 18:05:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F313843F85 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 18:05:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from offer1@cfl.rr.com) Received: from david-congero (167.50.35.65.cfl.rr.com [65.35.50.167]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id h1823Y4m029724 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 21:05:34 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: The learning institute To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: PROTECT YOURSELF Message-ID: <20032775934doc@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 21:05:34 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Would you like to know more about credit card fraud on the internet and how to stop it? 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Thank you for your time To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Feb 7 18:17:17 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C550E37B401; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 18:17:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC2D43F3F; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 18:17:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown[12.242.158.67]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with ESMTP id <2003020802171100100g23k0e>; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 02:17:12 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h182Fp5F056022; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 18:15:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h182Fjj1056019; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 18:15:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: jojo set sender to swear@attbi.com using -f To: Ruslan Ermilov Cc: Kazuo Horikawa , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: manpage section ordering and mdoc(7) manpage References: <6qel6qif5w.l6q@localhost.localdomain> <20030205.211427.59464356.horikawa@attbi.com> <20030206103215.GB82539@sunbay.com> <4ty94tcbic.94t@localhost.localdomain> <20030207160213.GA71529@sunbay.com> From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 07 Feb 2003 18:15:45 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20030207160213.GA71529@sunbay.com> Message-ID: Lines: 115 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ruslan Ermilov writes: > I don't see any problems with the current scheme. The only required > sessions are NAME, SYNOPSIS, and DESCRIPTION. Everything else should > be uncommented and used where appropriate. "Where appropriate" is > described individually for some sections (I mean the comments in the > A MANUAL PAGE TEMPLATE section of mdoc(7)). Sections are also listed > in the order they should be. According to the template, "RETURN VALUES" is always optional (like "ENVIRONMENT", while, as you said here and later in the manpage, it is required for sections 2, 3, and 9. (Except that the "void" thing isn't documented in the manpage -- corrected in patch below.) > > Note that the template (and some lines following it) disagree (about > > order) from the "Page Structure Domain"/"Section Headers" subsection. > > > Have I overlooked something when I was editing this back in 2001? I think so. (There's a lot to overlook.) Corrected awkwardly (because of the "grouping" problem) in the patch below. (I slipped in a couple of other (minor) changes, too. I suggest you slip one in to describe "document date"; some old manpages have old dates, some have new dates.) > > > I'm planning on adding yet another standard section, EXIT STATUS, > > > for sections 1 and 8 manpages; the idea is stolen from 1003.1-2001. That will require some rewording near the word "DIAGNOSTICS" in several places, of course. > > I sure wish .Ex's output sounded less like guru-speak: > > > > The cat utility exits 0 on success, and >0 if an error occurs. ... > English speakers have to decide here. In Russian, we have > this phrase sounding like "The cat utility returns 0 on > successful termination, and >0 otherwise." That's a lot better than "exits 0", but I think using "exit status" would be good, at least until "EXIT STATUS" sections are more common. With few exceptions, is the term used throughout the sh, csh, bash, pdksh, and (almost) intro(1) manpages). Considering your other comment, I propose the following. If nobody else joins the discussion, I can raise the issue in a new thread at a later date. The exit status of *cat* will be 0 on success and >0 otherwise. Thanks. Here's the patch based on a 4.7-STABLE file from about 11'OCT'2002 --- /pr/work/mdoc..orig.7 Fri Feb 7 16:20:21 2003 +++ /pr/work/mdoc.7 Fri Feb 7 17:55:40 2003 @@ -571,10 +571,10 @@ \&.Sh SYNOPSIS \&.Sh DESCRIPTION \&.\e" The following requests should be uncommented and -\&.\e" used where appropriate. +\&.\e" used when appropriate. \&.\e" .Sh IMPLEMENTATION NOTES -\&.\e" This next request is for sections 2, 3 and 9 function -\&.\e" return values only. +\&.\e" This next request is required for sections 2, 3 and 9 function +\&.\e" return values (except when void) only. \&.\e" .Sh RETURN VALUES \&.\e" This next request is for sections 1, 6, 7 and 8 only. \&.\e" .Sh ENVIRONMENT @@ -2591,11 +2591,6 @@ . .Ss "Section Headers" . -The following -.Ql .Sh -section header macros are required in every man page. -The remaining section headers are recommended at the discretion of the -author writing the manual page. The .Ql .Sh macro is parsed but not generally callable. @@ -2603,8 +2598,12 @@ .Ql .Sh only; it then reactivates the default font for .Ql .Sh . -.Pp The default width is 8n. +.Pp +The following +.Ql .Sh +section header macros are required in every man page, +except as noted. . .Bl -tag -width ".Li .Sh\ RETURN\ VALUES" .It Li ".Sh NAME" @@ -2623,7 +2622,9 @@ .Ql .Nd , which separates the subject name from the third item, which is the description. -The description should be the most terse and lucid possible, as the space +The description should be the most terse and lucid possible (while giving +.Xr apropos 1 +users apropos words to match), as the space available is small. .Pp .Ql .Nd @@ -2701,7 +2702,10 @@ below). . .It Li ".Sh IMPLEMENTATION NOTES" -Implementation specific information should be placed here. +Implementation-specific information should be placed here. +This is optional in all man pages as explained above the +.Li ".Sh ENVIRONMENT" +description. . .It Li ".Sh RETURN VALUES" Sections 2, 3 and\~9 function return values should go here. 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    To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Feb 7 19:22:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C7C37B401 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 19:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95BE043FBD for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 19:22:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown[12.242.158.67]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with ESMTP id <2003020803224700300jts8le>; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 03:22:47 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h183LR5F056855; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 19:21:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h183LLnd056852; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 19:21:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: jojo set sender to swear@attbi.com using -f To: Hiroki Sato Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /etc/start_if.${ifn} References: <20030208.084748.55715545.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 07 Feb 2003 19:21:21 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20030208.084748.55715545.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> Message-ID: <2j1y2jcv9q.y2j@localhost.localdomain> Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hiroki Sato writes: > I have found it is not documented that if /etc/start_if.${ifn} is > present it is executed from /etc/rc.d/network1. Is it mentioned somewhere? > If not, I would like to add a description into rc.conf(5) like > the attached patch. Just off the top of my head, it seems like it would be more appropriate in the rc(8) manpage, maybe with a reference to that from where you made your patch. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Feb 8 1:30:11 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF9C637B401 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 01:30:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC65443F93 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 01:30:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h189U8NS045515 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 01:30:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h189U8Ij045514; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 01:30:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2545F37B405 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 01:23:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailbox.univie.ac.at (mail.univie.ac.at [131.130.1.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7307D43F75 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 01:23:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from le@univie.ac.at) Received: from korben.in.tern (adslle.cc.univie.ac.at [131.130.102.11]) by mailbox.univie.ac.at (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h189NPt2366824 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 10:23:29 +0100 Received: from korben.in.tern (korben [127.0.0.1]) by korben.in.tern (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h189NKwS007443 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 10:23:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from le@korben.in.tern) Received: (from le@localhost) by korben.in.tern (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h189NKGO007442; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 10:23:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from le) Message-Id: <200302080923.h189NKGO007442@korben.in.tern> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 10:23:20 +0100 (CET) From: Lukas Ertl Reply-To: Lukas Ertl To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/48083: [PATCH] missing #include in manpage for isinf(3) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 48083 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [PATCH] missing #include in manpage for isinf(3) >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Feb 08 01:30:08 PST 2003 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Lukas Ertl >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: Vienna University Computer Center >Environment: System: FreeBSD korben 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #0: Thu Feb 6 21:12:59 CET 2003 le@korben:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KORBEN i386 >Description: The manpage for isinf(3), isnan(3) and isnanf(3) has no "#include " in the SYSNOPSIS. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- isinf.diff begins here --- Index: lib/libc/gen/isinf.3 =================================================================== RCS file: /u/cvs/cvs/src/lib/libc/gen/isinf.3,v retrieving revision 1.7 diff -u -r1.7 isinf.3 --- lib/libc/gen/isinf.3 30 Oct 2000 13:23:18 -0000 1.7 +++ lib/libc/gen/isinf.3 8 Feb 2003 09:16:04 -0000 @@ -43,6 +43,7 @@ .Sh LIBRARY .Lb libc .Sh SYNOPSIS +.In math.h .Ft int .Fn isinf double .Ft int --- isinf.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Feb 8 7:24: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 748DF37B401; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 07:23:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169A043F85; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 07:23:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyboy@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (dannyboy@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h18FNwNS024680; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 07:23:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyboy@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from dannyboy@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h18FNw0g024676; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 07:23:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 07:23:58 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Harris Message-Id: <200302081523.h18FNw0g024676@freefall.freebsd.org> To: erwin@lansing.dk, dannyboy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/48032: add PERL_LEVEL to porters handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: add PERL_LEVEL to porters handbook State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dannyboy State-Changed-When: Sat Feb 8 07:23:40 PST 2003 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=48032 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Feb 8 7:29:40 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E287237B401; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 07:29:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 879CD43F85; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 07:29:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyboy@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (dannyboy@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h18FTdNS024931; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 07:29:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyboy@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from dannyboy@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h18FTdLs024927; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 07:29:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 07:29:39 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Harris Message-Id: <200302081529.h18FTdLs024927@freefall.freebsd.org> To: swear@attbi.com, dannyboy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/47818: ln(1) manpage is confusing Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: ln(1) manpage is confusing State-Changed-From-To: open->feedback State-Changed-By: dannyboy State-Changed-When: Sat Feb 8 07:28:24 PST 2003 State-Changed-Why: keramida has suggested changes and asks for comment. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=47818 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Feb 8 7:33:58 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3EE137B401; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 07:33:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8831A43F93; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 07:33:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyboy@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (dannyboy@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h18FXvNS026942; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 07:33:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyboy@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from dannyboy@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h18FXvPM026938; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 07:33:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 07:33:57 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Harris Message-Id: <200302081533.h18FXvPM026938@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mee@invert.com, dannyboy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/47093: FTP(1) man page correction Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: FTP(1) man page correction State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dannyboy State-Changed-When: Sat Feb 8 07:33:44 PST 2003 State-Changed-Why: Manpage seems to be correct. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=47093 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Feb 8 7:53:23 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7236A37B401 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 07:53:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (eos.ocn.ne.jp [211.6.83.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFDA143F85 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 07:53:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp) Received: from mail.allbsd.org (p57194-adsao12honb4-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp [220.96.139.194]) by smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1419DA7; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 00:53:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (alph.allbsd.org [192.168.0.10]) by mail.allbsd.org (8.12.6/3.7W/DomainMaster) with ESMTP id h18FpvJ8017516; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 00:51:58 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp) Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 00:49:43 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20030209.004943.63120860.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> To: swear@attbi.com Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /etc/start_if.${ifn} From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <2j1y2jcv9q.y2j@localhost.localdomain> References: <20030208.084748.55715545.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <2j1y2jcv9q.y2j@localhost.localdomain> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 2.2 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) wrote in <2j1y2jcv9q.y2j@localhost.localdomain>: swear> Just off the top of my head, it seems like it would be more appropriate swear> in the rc(8) manpage, maybe with a reference to that from where you made swear> your patch. The files start_if.${ifn} depend on rc.d/network1 and ${ifconfig_*} variables, and rc(8) manpage should not be specific for a certain rc.d/ script. So I think rc.conf(5) is a better place. JFYI, NetBSD's counterpart of rc.conf(5) includes a description of /etc/ifconfig.xxN. -- | Hiroki SATO / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Feb 8 12:10:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4C537B401 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:10:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8858443FD7 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:10:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h18KA8NS021000 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:10:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h18KA8or020999; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:10:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA1637B405 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:08:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl [194.29.178.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 660E643F75 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:08:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from G.Czaplinski@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl) Received: from localhost (localhost.mini.pw.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) by prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 217AD7D009 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 21:08:35 +0100 (CET) Received: by prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (Postfix, from userid 1368) id C85C17CF1A; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 21:08:30 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20030208200830.C85C17CF1A@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 21:08:30 +0100 (CET) From: Grzegorz Czaplinski Reply-To: Grzegorz Czaplinski To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/48095: Manual page for jail(8) does not mention mounting devfs under jail. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 48095 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Manual page for jail(8) does not mention mounting devfs under jail. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Feb 08 12:10:07 PST 2003 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Grzegorz Czaplinski >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-RELEASE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD tahoe.acn.waw.pl 5.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.0-RELEASE #14: Thu Feb 6 00:03:53 CET 2003 rgregory@tahoe.acn.waw.pl:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/TAHOE i386 >Description: The manual for jail(8) does not mention anything about mounting devfs under jail's /dev. I created a jail for sshd daemon. While tring to ssh into the jail, ssh process hangs. gregory 1161 0.0 0.7 2392 1932 p3 S+J 8:48PM 0:00.07 ssh 192.168.0.5 root 1162 0.0 0.9 5372 2360 ?? IJ 8:48PM 0:00.02 sshd: gregory [pr iv] (sshd) gregory 1165 0.0 0.9 5372 2404 ?? SJ 8:48PM 0:00.01 sshd: gregory@not ty (sshd) Thre are no free ttys. >How-To-Repeat: Create a jail environment according to jail(8) manual, start jailed sshd. Try to log into the jail more than once. >Fix: Add a comment about mounting devfs under jail's /dev. mount -t devfs devfs /pathtojail/dev Thanks to nick@garage.freebsd.pl for the hint. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Feb 8 12:20: 9 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68E437B401 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:20:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D22843F93 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:20:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h18KK6NS023145 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:20:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h18KK66V023144; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:20:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:20:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200302082020.h18KK66V023144@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Subject: Re: docs/47818: ln(1) manpage is confusing Reply-To: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/47818; it has been noted by GNATS. From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/47818: ln(1) manpage is confusing Date: 08 Feb 2003 12:10:05 -0800 Giorgos Keramidas writes: > I don't like the to_filename and from_filename names either though :( > > I would probably prefer the names: > > newlink for the hard or symbolic link file name > file for any existing files > I find "ln to_filename from_filename" ("link to filename from filename") has a really nice, rememberable ring to it. I reviewed the old thread and it's several suggestions and can find things wrong with all of them including a couple of my previous ideas. "link", "from_link", or "newlink" as the last argument isn't bad and I guess I wouldn't complain real loud about it, but the less we imply that a hard link is a link like a symlink, instead of just another filename entry in a directory, the better. I think "from_filename" is more generic and fits both soft and hard link cases better. If you really don't like "from_filename", how about "from_link" (or "from_newlink")? (I don't like the "new" part because it makes me want to go looking for the old link.) I don't like "file" even more. As you said before, that argument doesn't have to refer to a file. It can be just a filename string for the symlink's directory entry. More in next para.. > the difference in names makes it pretty clear which one is which, and > if you still have doubts if the reader will grasp the difference of > the two 'file' names, we can explicitly write in the text of the > manpage the fact that 'file ...' refers to existing files, while > 'newlink' refers to the files created by ln(1). The "difference in names" is too great in the case of a hard link. It makes it seem that a "file" and a "newlink" are very different things, when they are essentially identical, but maybe that's really more a problem with "newlink". The new manpage already explains what the arguments refer to, but I guess you can replace it to work better with any new arugment names. > Deciding what to call the two arguments of ln(1) is not an easy task. > I have thought a lot about it before replying. It is imperative we > find a good way to name them though, as this will also fix a lot of > the wrongs you have (rightfully) pointed out. Agreed. I must admit that your argument names run second-best of the candidates I've seen so far, and I'm no-doubt biased by having lived with mine for many hours, so I can live with yours, if you still want them after thinking about it again. (Maybe dropping "new"?) > Perhaps, if we expanded the difference a bit with the following? ... > to a file is one of the differences between a hard and symbolic link. > + Hard links are effectively different names for the same set of > + disk blocks. > + Removing one of the hard links of a file does not free the > + space of the rest of the hard links and return the disk space > + occupied by the file to the pool of free space on the disk. > + Symbolic links (also known as > + .Dq symlinks ) > + point to a specific file name. > + If you remove the file that a symbolic link points to, the > + disk space occupied by the file is freed to. > + The symbolic link continues to point to a file that no longer > + exists. > + It is then called a > + .Dq broken > + symbolic link. > > Does this look better than deleting the line? Worse, methinks. That sort of thing doesn't belong in the introductory paragraph(s). I think I covered that well enough in the descriptions of hardlinks and softlinks after the option descriptions. And I see no need to mention disk blocks at all; it's an implementation detail, which belongs outside the "DESCRIPTION" section, if anywhere. > > 11) The beginning of the description doesn't mention the "link" command. > > This needs fixing. I agree. But isn't the paragraph near the end of > description good enough already? I think not; the first paragraph(s) should introduce the manpage's commands, and an introduction is all that the command requires. Also, the paragraph you quote is wrong about specifying a directory. It also has an unnecessary implementation detail (which I moved to "NOTES" and generalized to all hard links, not just link(1)'s links). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Feb 8 12:40: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EBF237B401 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:40:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD2443F93 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:40:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h18Ke0NS027412 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:40:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h18Ke0JM027411; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:40:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B54437B401 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:31:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl [194.29.178.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97EBE43F85 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:31:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from G.Czaplinski@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl) Received: from localhost (localhost.mini.pw.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) by prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580917D009 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 21:31:18 +0100 (CET) Received: by prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (Postfix, from userid 1368) id CA8467CF1A; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 21:31:10 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20030208203110.CA8467CF1A@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 21:31:10 +0100 (CET) From: Grzegorz Czaplinski Reply-To: Grzegorz Czaplinski To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/48097: Manual for camediaplay(1) falsely describes a port you connect a device to. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 48097 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Manual for camediaplay(1) falsely describes a port you connect a device to. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Feb 08 12:40:00 PST 2003 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Grzegorz Czaplinski >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-RELEASE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD tahoe.acn.waw.pl 5.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.0-RELEASE #14: Thu Feb 6 00:03:53 CET 2003 rgregory@tahoe.acn.waw.pl:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/TAHOE i386 >Description: camediaplay is a download/control tool for digital cameras with Sanyo firmware. The manual page in an example part specifies a port as /dev/tty00 . In fact it should be one of these: ls -l /dev/cuaa? crw-rw---- 1 uucp dialer 28, 128 Feb 8 21:27 /dev/cuaa0 crw-rw---- 1 uucp dialer 28, 129 Feb 8 18:45 /dev/cuaa1 >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Change /dev/tty00 to /dev/cuaa0. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Feb 8 14: 0:29 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A722D37B401 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 14:00:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE28E43FA3 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 14:00:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h18M0ONS048266 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 14:00:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h18M0OZf048265; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 14:00:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729BE37B4F6 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 13:55:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mired.org (ip68-97-54-220.ok.ok.cox.net [68.97.54.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5025A43FB1 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 13:55:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 7398 invoked by uid 100); 8 Feb 2003 21:55:32 -0000 Message-Id: <20030208215532.7397.qmail@mired.org> Date: 8 Feb 2003 21:55:32 -0000 From: Mike Meyer Reply-To: Mike Meyer To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/48101: There's no documentation on the fixit disk anywhere. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 48101 >Category: docs >Synopsis: There's no documentation on the fixit disk anywhere. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Feb 08 14:00:24 PST 2003 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Mike Meyer >Release: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE i386 >Organization: Meyer Consulting >Environment: System: FreeBSD guru.mired.org 4.7-STABLE FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE #17: Wed Oct 30 09:13:02 CST 2002 mwm@guru.mired.org:/sharetmp/obj/usr/src/sys/GURU i386 >Description: There isn't any real documentation on what the fixit disk is used for anywhere on the FreeBSD site. >How-To-Repeat: Try finding that documentation. >Fix: The attached patch ands a FAQ entry that serves mostly to list the reasons one would want to use the Fixit disk, and the other sources of information that one might find useful when working with the disk. I'm not sure this is the right place to put the information, but I couldn't see any better place. 4450a4451,4519 > > > > My root file system doesn't mount. What do I do now? > > > > The fixit disk is used when your systems root file > system cannot be mounted read-only at boot time. The sole > purpose of the disk is to repair the root file system so you > can mount it, and continue the process of bringing up the > system from that point. > > The fixit CDROM has most of the functionality of a > complete FreeBSD install. It does not have > /stand, but /bin, > /sbin, /usr/bin > and /usr/sbin are all there. You > should be able to boot this CDROM and go directly to the > fixit mode. > > The fixit floppy has much less functionality. All the > tools on it are in /stand. In > particular, it does not have &man.fsck.8; or &man.newfs.8;, > but it does have &man.tar.1; and &man.restore.8;. The fixit > floppy is not bootable. You must boot the install floppy, > then insert the fixit floppy when so directed. > > There are three things that can cause your root file > system to fail to mount. Each of these has a different > solution. > > First, if your system has slices on the disk holding > the root file system, the slice table may be broken. The > tool for editing the slice table is &man.fdisk.8;. The > format of the data is documented in > /usr/include/sys/disklabel.h. > > Second, the disk label may be broken. The tool for > editing disk labels is &man.disklabel.8;. The format of the > data is documented in > /usr/include/sys/disklabel.h. > > Finally, the file system proper may be so badly broken > that it can't be mounted. The tool for fixing this is > &man.fsck.8;. The format is documented in > /usr/include/ufs/ffs/fs.h, > /usr/include/ufs/ufs/dinode.h, and > /usr/include/ufs/ufs/dir.h. Of > particular interest is the alternate superblock at block 32, > so that fsck -b 32 > disk will repair a broken > primary superblock. Note that &man.fsck.8; is > not on the fixit floppy. > > Other useful commands are &man.ed.1; and whatever you > use to restore from backups. Ed can be used to repair broken > configuration files, or to change them to deal with > nonfunctional hardware. If you are using a standard system > tool for backing up your system, then the ability to restore > backups is probably on the fixit disk. > > It is advisable to use &man.fdisk.8; - if appropriate - > to get a copy of your slice tables, and &man.disklabel.8; to get a > copy of your disk labels, and save them somewhere > safe. Printed copies for the disk your root file system is > on should be stored with the backup of the root file system. > > >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Feb 8 14:28:29 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC3A37B401 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 14:28:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from yerah.fac.cs.cmu.edu (YERAH.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.191.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D6F7543F85 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 14:28:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from David_Eckhardt@piper.nectar.cs.cmu.edu) Received: from PIPER.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU ([128.2.194.80]) by yerah.fac.cs.cmu.edu id aa08082; 8 Feb 2003 17:27 EST From: David.Eckhardt@cs.cmu.edu To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Staples??? Cc: David.Eckhardt@cs.cmu.edu Reply-To: David.Eckhardt@cs.cmu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <18987.1044743275.1@piper.nectar.cs.cmu.edu> Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 17:27:55 -0500 Message-ID: <18988.1044743275@piper.nectar.cs.cmu.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors.html says Staples carries FreeBSD on CD. I wish it were true, but my local store and the Staples web site say otherwise. You might want to poke them or quit advertising for them. Dave Eckhardt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Feb 8 18: 0:32 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63C137B401 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:00:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4C643FB1 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:00:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1920QNS014518 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:00:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1920QGB014517; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:00:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02AB637B401 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 17:54:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2982143FAF for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 17:54:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown[12.242.158.67]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02) with ESMTP id <2003020901541000200306t5e>; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 01:54:10 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h191qi5F076582 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 17:52:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h191qdQF076579; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 17:52:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Message-Id: <0qlm0qb4pl.m0q@localhost.localdomain> Date: 08 Feb 2003 17:52:38 -0800 From: "Gary W. Swearingen" Reply-To: swear@attbi.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: docs/48104: disktab(1) manpage omits b0 and b1, etc. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 48104 >Category: docs >Synopsis: disktab(1) manpage omits b0 and b1, etc. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Feb 08 18:00:25 PST 2003 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Gary W. Swearingen >Release: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE i386 >Organization: none >Environment: n/a ================ >Description: 1) The manpage omits descriptions of b0 and b1 fields. 2) The manpage uses "entry" to refer to both "entry" and "field". 3) The entry field column heading "Name" can be confused with an entry's "Name" field. 4) Some description could be improved. ================ >How-To-Repeat: n/a ================ >Fix: Patch base on .\" $FreeBSD: src/share/man/man5/disktab.5,v 1.4.2.5 2001/12/17 11:30:13 ru Exp $ --- /pr/work/disktab..orig.5 Sat Feb 8 16:40:14 2003 +++ /pr/work/disktab.5 Sat Feb 8 17:14:53 2003 @@ -54,16 +54,15 @@ .Xr termcap 5 terminal data base. Entries in .Nm -consist of a number of `:' separated fields. The -first entry for each disk gives the names which are -known for the disk, separated by `|' characters. The +consist of a number of `:'-separated fields. The +first field for each entry gives the names by which a +disk's entry may be selected, separated by `|' characters. The last name given should be a long name fully identifying the disk. .Pp -The following list indicates the normal values -stored for each disk entry. +The optional fields for each entry are: .Bl -column "indent" "boolx" -.It Sy "Name Type Description" +.It Sy "ID Type Description" .It "\&ty str Type of disk (e.g. removable, winchester)" .It "\&dt str Type of controller (e.g." .Tn SMD , ESDI , @@ -86,6 +85,8 @@ .It "\&d[0-4] num Drive-type-dependent parameters" .It "\&bs num Boot block size, default" .Dv BBSIZE +.It "\&b[0-1] num Boot block filenames; see" +.Xr disklabel 8 .It "\&sb num Superblock size, default" .Dv SBSIZE .It "\&ba num Block size for partition `a' (bytes)" >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Feb 8 18:17:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE79637B401; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:17:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6EB543F85; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:17:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org (12-240-204-110.client.attbi.com[12.240.204.110]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with ESMTP id <2003020902170900100g3462e>; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 02:17:09 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h192H8RG094415; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:17:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h192H89w094414; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:17:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:17:07 -0800 From: "Bruce A. Mah" To: Tom Rhodes Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , setantae@submonkey.net, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Documenting FreeBSD Officers, Hats, and Working Groups Message-ID: <20030209021707.GA94205@intruder.bmah.org> References: <20030206214853.GB17028@submonkey.net> <20030206165535.1503ff12.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030206221455.GC17028@submonkey.net> <20030206174120.0075fcd5.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030206230229.GD18106@submonkey.net> <20030206184047.4b08943a.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030207005155.GA67667@intruder.bmah.org> <20030206202110.76ae4e7e.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030207013803.GA68113@intruder.bmah.org> <20030206205228.42486a38.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030206205228.42486a38.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If memory serves me right, Tom Rhodes wrote: > On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:38:03 -0800 > "Bruce A. Mah" wrote: >=20 > > If memory serves me right, Tom Rhodes wrote: > >=20 > > > Actually, I have been thinking this over a bit now. I'll define a > > > hats.ent file in the internal/ area. This is where we put > > > authortive groups, with their memebers, and their @FreeBSD.org email > > > address. > >=20 > > Hmmm. Now I'm confused. Is this for the Web site? I would have > > expected a hats.sgml in the top-level directory (en/), roughly > > analogous to developers.sgml. > >=20 >=20 > Actually I felt like using in doc/ and www/, however, I don't really > see much use in putting the file in the doc/ tree. I saw your commits. I have two questions...not intended as criticism but just looking for clarification: 1. Why is your entity definition file called "hats.ent" and not "hats.sgml"? File defining entities in the www/ tree seem to have *.sgml extensions (see developers.sgml). I tried to ask you this in a prior message, but apparently I didn't ask very clearly. 2. Why did you define b.* entities for names of developers, rather than use the existing a.* entities defined in developers.sgml? (Yes, I know you added links to email addresses, but you could easily add that to the existing entities too.) Again, this isn't intended as criticism. I'm just trying to learn what your reasoning was, to see if I missed something important. Thanks! Bruce. PS. OK, this one *is* a criticism. Did you do a case-insensitive search-and-replace to change "a." to "b."? If so, consider that=20 "a." (or "A.") occurs in other places than entity names. Ahem. :-) --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+Rboi2MoxcVugUsMRAnysAJ4qEEal3hKFI8kGnxgWlfBDeRjb4QCfab3f qRxvkg61jjGhEICDGwo+0FQ= =jS6K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Feb 8 18:30:12 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88AFA37B401 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:30:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FEB643FAF for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:30:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h192UBNS024288 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:30:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h192UA3L024287; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:30:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:30:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200302090230.h192UA3L024287@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Subject: Re: docs/48101: There's no documentation on the fixit disk anywhere. Reply-To: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/48101; it has been noted by GNATS. From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) To: Mike Meyer Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/48101: There's no documentation on the fixit disk anywhere. Date: 08 Feb 2003 18:25:41 -0800 > > The fixit disk is used when your systems root file "system's root" I'm not sure if you mean this paragraph to apply to both floppy and CDROM. Isn't the purpose of the CDROM broader than just / repair? I thought this para was about the floppy until I got to the third para and became unsure. If it's about both, "The" should be "A", since "The" sound like there's only one (kind). Maybe mention floppy & CDROM here. > > system cannot be mounted read-only at boot time. The sole AFAIK, the FAQ uses only "filesystem" and not "file system". Same below.. > > purpose of the disk is to repair the root file system so you > > can mount it, and continue the process of bringing up the Better without comma. (The sentence naturally divides before "so".) > > The fixit CDROM has most of the functionality of a > > complete FreeBSD install. It does not have > > /stand, but /bin, > > /sbin, /usr/bin Comma at end? > > and /usr/sbin are all there. You ... > > Other useful commands are &man.ed.1; and whatever you > > use to restore from backups. Ed can be used to repair broken "The &man.ed.1 command can" > > > > It is advisable to use &man.fdisk.8; - if appropriate - Dare to just advise it: "Use &man.fdisk.8..." Or use true weasel words: "Many people use..." or "It's helpful to use...". 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