From owner-freebsd-firewire@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 13:22:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-firewire@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E8C816A4CE for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:22:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxfep01.bredband.com (mxfep01.bredband.com [195.54.107.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6200943D4B for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:22:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mathias@haas.se) Received: from p3-550.haas.se ([213.114.148.49] [213.114.148.49]) by mxfep01.bredband.com with SMTP id <20031218212212.URGM352.mxfep01.bredband.com@p3-550.haas.se> for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:22:12 +0100 Received: (qmail 20413 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 12:32:47 -0000 Received: from localhost.haas.se (HELO mail.haas.se) (127.0.0.1) by: 32:47 -0000 Received: from 193.14.163.194 (SquirrelMail authenticated user mathias@haas.se) by mail.haas.se with HTTP; Thu,: 32:47 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <27378.193.14.163.194.1071750767.squirrel@mail.haas.se> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:32:47 +0100 (CET) From: mathias@haas.se To: freebsd-firewire@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Subject: Hotplug? X-BeenThere: freebsd-firewire@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Firewire support in FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:22:16 -0000 Hello! Perhaps this is more of a filesystem question but I thought that maybe firewire-users have heard this question before. I intend to buy an external firewire harddisk as a cheap backup for my customers FreeBSD-server. Does FreeBSD support hotplugging of fire-wire harddisks? (That is: Can I remove it while the filesystem is in use without unmounting it?) - Or should I go with some different kind of solution? /mathias From owner-freebsd-firewire@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 13:26:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-firewire@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD9416A4CF for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:26:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from freshaire.wiz.com (freshaire.wiz.com [66.143.183.129]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F61443D50 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:26:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@wiz.com) Received: from freshaire.wiz.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freshaire.wiz.com (8.12.9p2/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hBILQGdD053411 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:26:16 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from marc@freshaire.wiz.com) Received: (from marc@localhost) by freshaire.wiz.com (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id hBILQGHc053410 for freebsd-firewire@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:26:16 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:26:16 -0600 From: Marc Wiz To: freebsd-firewire@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031218212616.GD51181@wiz.com> References: <27378.193.14.163.194.1071750767.squirrel@mail.haas.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <27378.193.14.163.194.1071750767.squirrel@mail.haas.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Subject: Re: Hotplug? X-BeenThere: freebsd-firewire@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Firewire support in FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:26:18 -0000 On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 01:32:47PM +0100, mathias@haas.se wrote: > Hello! > Perhaps this is more of a filesystem question but I thought that maybe > firewire-users have heard this question before. > > I intend to buy an external firewire harddisk as a cheap backup for my > customers FreeBSD-server. Does FreeBSD support hotplugging of fire-wire > harddisks? (That is: Can I remove it while the filesystem is in use > without unmounting it?) - Or should I go with some different kind of > solution? Mathias, why would you remove the drive before umounting it? Marc -- Marc Wiz marc@wiz.com Yes, that really is my last name. From owner-freebsd-firewire@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 13:38:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-firewire@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4515016A4CE for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:38:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxfep02.bredband.com (mxfep02.bredband.com [195.54.107.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D9F843D50 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:38:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mathias@haas.se) Received: from p3-550.haas.se ([213.114.148.49] [213.114.148.49]) by mxfep02.bredband.com with SMTP id <20031218213837.UDAR24612.mxfep02.bredband.com@p3-550.haas.se> for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:38:37 +0100 Received: (qmail 23271 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 21:49:14 -0000 Received: from amd2800.haas.se (HELO haas.se) (192.168.10.10) by: 49:14 -0000 Message-ID: <3FE21E61.3080303@haas.se> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:38:41 +0100 From: Mathias Haas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031013 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-firewire@freebsd.org References: <27378.193.14.163.194.1071750767.squirrel@mail.haas.se> <20031218212616.GD51181@wiz.com> In-Reply-To: <20031218212616.GD51181@wiz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Hotplug? X-BeenThere: freebsd-firewire@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Firewire support in FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:38:44 -0000 A just question! :-) Well, let's say that my users have really no idea about what Unix is... (and I'm not at their office every day.) What this will be for is to make a backup every day on the external firewire disk and then take the disk home in case of burglary or fire. Very much like a tape backup but 20 times cheaper if you have a lot of data. In Linux (2.4.x kernel) and Windows it's possible to simply disconnect the drive and put it in a bag. I wanted to know if this is possible in FreeBSD as well. I suppose I could simply put a umount command after the backup is done as well. But it would be more "modern" to simply disconnect it if you know what I mean. >Mathias, > >why would you remove the drive before umounting it? > >Marc > > >