From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 0:11: 3 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E17F37B401 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 00:11:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from 12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com (12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com [12.234.22.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2698943F3F for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 00:11:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from slave.gorean.org (y3xl1z82myxc205j@slave.gorean.org [10.0.0.1]) by 12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h128AtfS077473; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 00:10:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 00:10:55 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Barton To: Garance A Drosihn Cc: Matthew Dillon , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Modifying mergemaster behavior In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030201235429.G77226@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> References: <200301281844.h0SIie3G086935@repoman.freebsd.org> <200301281908.h0SJ8OoY028183@apollo.backplane.com> Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-message-flag: Outlook -- Not just for spreading viruses anymore! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Re-directing to -hackers] On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > Well for one thing, if a given file has a lot of changes, then I > would like mergemaster to skip over the initial one-line change > that only tells me how some comment now has a new version-number > in it. Chances are mighty good that the cvs-ID comment tells me > nothing that helps me decide what I want to do, and it wastes > five or six valuable lines on the screen. This is an oft-requested feature, but I'm not sure how best to implement it. To satisfy all the possible combinations of things to display or not display would require running diffs at least twice every time we find something different. I'm not sure it's worth it to save 5 or 6 lines, especially when you're sending everything to $PAGER anyway. Doug -- If it's moving, encrypt it. If it's not moving, encrypt it till it moves, then encrypt it some more. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 3:58: 1 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C63B37B408 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 03:57:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9169343F3F for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 03:57:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@freebsd.org) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h12Bvu4X058895 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:57:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@freebsd.org) To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: End-Of-Life announcement for M-Systems DiskOnChip driver ("fla"). From: Poul-Henning Kamp Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 12:57:56 +0100 Message-ID: <58894.1044187076@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is _only_ about the driver for the DiskOnChip devices from M-Systems. This does not affect any other device. If you have never seen a /dev/fla0 mounted on your system, you don't need to read the rest. I realize that there are users of the DiskOnChip hardware out there now, but I seriously don't expect there to be any users once we get to FreeBSD 6.0 so I plant to remove the driver once the 5-stable branch is laid down. This means that the 5.x series of FreeBSD releases will be the last to have built in support for the Disk-On-Chip driver. The driver in the tree works with the M-systems devices I have to test with, but M-Systems have neither sent me the necessary software updates nor hardware samples of the latest generation of the DoC and I have received no emails from people who were stuck because of this. Combine this with the fact that the DoC is a CPU-poll technology where you busy-wait for the flash devices to do their thing, rather than get an interrupt when they are done, I think we can safely say that the DoC is well past its prime time. As far as I can tell, people use CompactFlash these days instead. Protests to: phk@freebsd.org Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 4:14:54 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3085637B401; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 04:14:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD2143E4A; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 04:14:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0002.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.2] helo=mindspring.com) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18fJ1G-0003DI-00; Sun, 02 Feb 2003 04:14:43 -0800 Message-ID: <3E3D0B5B.88CE0C47@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 04:13:15 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: End-Of-Life announcement for M-Systems DiskOnChip driver ("fla"). References: <58894.1044187076@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a46634214b357b328a8adfec8d5035412d667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > I realize that there are users of the DiskOnChip hardware out there > now, but I seriously don't expect there to be any users once we get > to FreeBSD 6.0 so I plant to remove the driver once the 5-stable > branch is laid down. Why? To what benefit? -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 7:11:33 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4290F37B405 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 07:11:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from altertech.net (alpha.altertech.net [66.111.55.160]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CD26843FB1 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 07:11:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yashka@exebook.com) Received: (qmail 89304 invoked by uid 0); 2 Feb 2003 15:11:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKA) (trilluser@194.149.227.156) by web.altertech.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2003 15:11:26 -0000 Message-ID: <00cf01c2cacd$4c786420$01e6a8c0@homenet> From: "Yakov Sudeikin" To: Subject: Routing within a Jail Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:10:58 +0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi freebsd-hackers, Jail with multiple LAN cards accessible from within? I have my 4.7 box serving a lot of things, and I have a Linux box routing the network packets for people in my block. I am not an administraotr of the router. I want to get rid of the Linux station, I want to create a jail on my FreeBSD box and start a router + firewall there. As far as I know this is not possible, jail is started binded to single IP. And I need to route between different interfaces and even differend LAN cards. One of them is WaveLan, others are Ethernet rl0 like. I want the router to be in the jail for security purposes, and have all my services also in the other jails (mysql, apache, ftp, mail, named, samba etc). And I want the host system ONLY serve jails and do nothing else by itself. Is FreeBSD jail subsystem mature enough to accomplish this? Thank you, Yakov Sudeikin Exebook.com - create secure, nice looking ebooks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 8:18:59 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA2637B401; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 08:18:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tacorp.net (mail.tacorp.net [208.20.58.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1CA43F3F; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 08:18:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from raistlin@tacorp.net) Received: from mail.tacorp.net (raistlin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.tacorp.net (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h12GIo5c093177; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 11:18:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from raistlin@tacorp.net) Received: from localhost (raistlin@localhost) by mail.tacorp.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h12GIn6Y093174; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 11:18:50 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.tacorp.net: raistlin owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 11:18:49 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Slagle To: Terry Lambert Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , "" Subject: Re: End-Of-Life announcement for M-Systems DiskOnChip driver ("fla"). In-Reply-To: <3E3D0B5B.88CE0C47@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20030202111806.N79142@mail.tacorp.net> References: <58894.1044187076@critter.freebsd.dk> <3E3D0B5B.88CE0C47@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 2 Feb 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > I realize that there are users of the DiskOnChip hardware out there > > now, but I seriously don't expect there to be any users once we get > > to FreeBSD 6.0 so I plant to remove the driver once the 5-stable > > branch is laid down. > > Why? > > To what benefit? I have to agree. There are surely enough embedded systems out there using it to warrent it staying around? Jason -- Jason Slagle - CCNP - CCDP /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign . X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail . / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 8:37:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA1837B405 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 08:37:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.pressenter.com (hermes.pressenter.com [209.224.20.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C06F443F75 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 08:37:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nospam@hiltonbsd.com) Received: from [198.31.224.126] (helo=daggar.sbgnet.net) by hermes.pressenter.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 18fN7T-0002iR-00; Sun, 02 Feb 2003 10:37:24 -0600 Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 10:37:21 -0600 From: Stephen Hilton To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: julian@elischer.org Subject: Re: Hi!Dear FreeBSD! Message-Id: <20030202103721.3996ec9c.nospam@hiltonbsd.com> In-Reply-To: References: <3E3BEC87.80600@gmx.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.8 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:45:48 -0800 (PST) Julian Elischer wrote: > > > On Sat, 1 Feb 2003, Marcin Dalecki wrote: > > > Kreiser Kirov wrote: > [stuff] > > Wouldn't it be best to put him in contact with some of the other > developers in the area? > > Which brings the question.. who IS in the area.. > > > maybe we should make some sort of geographical registration > web page so that people can find each other? > > how many time shave you heard, > "You're in XXXX? Hey, I'm in XXXX!" > > julian I really like this idea :-), and think that a database of all types of FreeBSD people from end-users to commiters who want to opt-in to this listing could spawn a lot of educational and fun opportunities for individuals who could drag themselves away from their screens on occasion ;-) Why not base it on latitude and longitude, along with an email address and text fields to allow for some self expression of areas of interest etc...? A clickable map would be a nice interface for the database lookups with a max radius factor, but really is just icing on the cake. Regards, Stephen Hilton nospam@hiltonbsd.com Latitude: +44.8429222 Longitude: -92.4637604 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 8:42:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5850937B401 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 08:42:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from host4.rpi.wulimasters.net (host4.rpi.wulimasters.net [128.113.36.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BB643E4A for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 08:42:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dolemite@host4.rpi.wulimasters.net) Received: (qmail 58477 invoked by uid 1001); 2 Feb 2003 16:43:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 16:43:17 +0000 From: Alex Newman To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: End-Of-Life announcement for M-Systems DiskOnChip driver ("fla"). Message-ID: <20030202164317.GA58460@host4.rpi.wulimasters.net> Reply-To: dolemite@wuli.nu References: <58894.1044187076@critter.freebsd.dk> <3E3D0B5B.88CE0C47@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E3D0B5B.88CE0C47@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 04:13:15AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > I realize that there are users of the DiskOnChip hardware out there > > now, but I seriously don't expect there to be any users once we get > > to FreeBSD 6.0 so I plant to remove the driver once the 5-stable > > branch is laid down. I use it now. -- Alex Newman Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. dolemite@wuli.nu I don't know who came up with this quote. www.wuli.nu/users/dolemite To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 8:57:49 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B891D37B405 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 08:57:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF6943E4A for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 08:57:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from agapon@cv-nj.com) Received: from asv7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (asv7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.43]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H9O00CIHXRWK5@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 02 Feb 2003 11:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from terminus.foundation.invalid (ool-4355489e.dyn.optonline.net [67.85.72.158]) by asv7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (8.12.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h12GvLh7006315 for ; Sun, 02 Feb 2003 11:57:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from edge.foundation.invalid (edge.foundation.invalid [192.168.1.12]) by terminus.foundation.invalid (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h12GvfEb028876 for ; Sun, 02 Feb 2003 11:57:41 -0500 (EST envelope-from agapon@cv-nj.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.foundation.invalid [127.0.0.1]) by edge.foundation.invalid (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h12GvdVg011559 for ; Sun, 02 Feb 2003 11:57:41 -0500 (EST envelope-from agapon@cv-nj.com) Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 11:57:39 -0500 (EST) From: Andriy Gapon Subject: Re: Hi!Dear FreeBSD! X-X-Sender: avg@edge.foundation.invalid To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-id: <20030202115336.G11553@edge.foundation.invalid> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=KOI8-U Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Guys, not to spoil your great ideas, but to supplement them with the given reality: http://www.freebsd.org/support.html#user Gleb (aka Kreiser Kirov), go to the link above and look for Ukraine. (hint: http://www.uafug.org.ua/ ) --=20 Andriy Gapon * =2E..=D3=C5=D2=D7=C9=D3 "=EF=C2=CF=DAp=C5=D7=C1=D4=C5=CC=D8 =CB=CF=CD=D0=D8= =D4=C5p=CF=D7"... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 9:27:37 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB6337B401 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 09:27:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868D443E4A for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 09:27:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@freebsd.org) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h12HRN4W017681; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 18:27:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@freebsd.org) To: Stephen Hilton Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, julian@elischer.org Subject: Re: Hi!Dear FreeBSD! From: phk@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 02 Feb 2003 10:37:21 CST." <20030202103721.3996ec9c.nospam@hiltonbsd.com> Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 18:27:23 +0100 Message-ID: <17680.1044206843@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20030202103721.3996ec9c.nospam@hiltonbsd.com>, Stephen Hilton write s: >> maybe we should make some sort of geographical registration >> web page so that people can find each other? Well, new committers are allowed to mark themselves in the xearth port: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/conventions.html Committers should know this already. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 9:29:15 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C4B037B401 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 09:29:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow053o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.96]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6AC43F3F for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 09:29:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@cream.org) Received: from cream.org ([62.31.98.144]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 2 Feb 2003 17:29:45 +0000 Message-ID: <3E3D5543.9030604@cream.org> Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 17:28:35 +0000 From: Andrew Boothman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Elischer Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: BSDWorld (Was: Hi!Dear FreeBSD!) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Julian Elischer wrote: >maybe we should make some sort of geographical registration >web page so that people can find each other? > A bunch of people from FreeBSD's UKUG started working on this. It was to be hosted on www.bsdworld.net (not generally viewable yet), although it was started it seemed to run out of steam pretty quickly. I've cc'ed the UKUG list in case someone else on there knows what the current situation is. Cheers. Andrew. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 10:18: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9812737B401 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 10:17:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.pressenter.com (hermes.pressenter.com [209.224.20.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A600543F79 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 10:17:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nospam@hiltonbsd.com) Received: from [209.224.32.122] (helo=daggar.sbgnet.net) by hermes.pressenter.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 18fOgl-0005Bh-00 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 02 Feb 2003 12:17:56 -0600 Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:17:53 -0600 From: Stephen Hilton To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hi!Dear FreeBSD! Message-Id: <20030202121753.687664fb.nospam@hiltonbsd.com> In-Reply-To: <17680.1044206843@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <20030202103721.3996ec9c.nospam@hiltonbsd.com> <17680.1044206843@critter.freebsd.dk> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.8 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 02 Feb 2003 18:27:23 +0100 phk@FreeBSD.ORG wrote: > In message <20030202103721.3996ec9c.nospam@hiltonbsd.com>, Stephen Hilton write > s: > > >> maybe we should make some sort of geographical registration > >> web page so that people can find each other? > > Well, new committers are allowed to mark themselves in the xearth port: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/conventions.html > > Committers should know this already. > I suppose this is getting way OT for hackers, so this will be my last post to this thread. Thanks PHK for pointing to the xearth port, I will take a look at it. For myself the ability to find other users to collaborate or socialize in person would be the goal. I am reluctant to "bother" a committer with chat type things, but again an opt-in type database would then say to the FreeBSD community at large that he/she does not mind a friendly email, offering an invitation to further get to know each other, and possibly could spawn a new user group, or business opportunity, or even just a good pub crawl. Subscribing to chat or ICQ are both methods to this same goal, but having many tools and ways to get the same "job" done is one of the things that IMHO makes the *NIX community so interesting. Sincerely, Stephen Hilton nospam@hiltonbsd.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 11:41:27 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275D837B401 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 11:41:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com (mailout04.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC4A43F75 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 11:41:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fwd11.sul.t-online.de by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18fPzP-0006RO-0B; Sun, 02 Feb 2003 20:41:15 +0100 Received: from jhs.muc.de (520006753247-0001@[217.80.239.252]) by fmrl11.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 18fPzG-0TApiCC; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:41:06 +0100 Received: from flip.jhs.private (flip.jhs.private [192.168.91.24]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h12JfCU04445; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:41:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from flip.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flip.jhs.private (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h12JefJ11305; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:40:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flip.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200302021940.h12JefJ11305@flip.jhs.private> To: Julian Elischer Cc: Marcin Dalecki , Kreiser Kirov , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hi!Dear FreeBSD! In-Reply-To: Message from Julian Elischer of "Sat, 01 Feb 2003 10:45:48 PST." Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 20:40:41 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" X-Sender: 520006753247-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Kreiser Kirov wrote: > [stuff] > > Wouldn't it be best to put him in contact with some of the other > developers in the area? > > Which brings the question.. who IS in the area.. User group list at http://www.freebsd.org/support.html#user * Ukraine The Ukrainian FreeBSD User Group (UAFUG) is Russian/Ukrainian languages oriented user group for the Ukrainian users of BSD-derivatives, promoting and supporting BSD flavours and open source usage. The UAFUG has had its first meeting on 2 June 2002 and meets every 2-3 weeks. We also provide an open forum for all BSD-related things in the Russian and Ukrainian languages (though we can read/write in English as well). To join the mailing list send a message to majordomo@FreeBSDDiary.org.ua with subscribe freebsd in the body of the message. Check the link above for more information. http://www.uafug.org.ua All in Russian - with a heap of daemons + blue & yellow horizontal flag. Julian Stacey jhs @ berklix.com Computer Systems Engineer, Unix & Net Consultant, Munich. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 12:57:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3DE37B401; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:57:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from holly.dyndns.org (adsl-208-191-149-232.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [208.191.149.232]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E437043F43; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:57:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@holly.dyndns.org) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.dyndns.org (8.12.6/8.11.6) id h12L0slK052153; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 15:00:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chris) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 15:00:54 -0600 From: Chris Costello To: Soeren Schmidt Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Request for info from SiS chipset owners Message-ID: <20030202210054.GG40801@holly.machined.net> Reply-To: chris@FreeBSD.org References: <200302011102.h11B25xk077482@spider.deepcore.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200302011102.h11B25xk077482@spider.deepcore.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG $ pciconf -l chip0@pci0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x07351039 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 pcib2@pci0:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x00000000 chip=0x00011039 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 isab0@pci0:2:0: class=0x060100 card=0x00000000 chip=0x00081039 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 ohci0@pci0:2:2: class=0x0c0310 card=0x0a141019 chip=0x70011039 rev=0x07 hdr=0x00 ohci1@pci0:2:3: class=0x0c0310 card=0x0a141019 chip=0x70011039 rev=0x07 hdr=0x00 atapci0@pci0:2:5: class=0x010180 card=0x55131039 chip=0x55131039 rev=0xd0 hdr=0x00 pcm0@pci0:2:7: class=0x040100 card=0x030013f6 chip=0x70121039 rev=0xa0 hdr=0x00 sis0@pci0:3:0: class=0x020000 card=0x0a141019 chip=0x09001039 rev=0x90 hdr=0x00 ed0@pci0:13:0: class=0x020000 card=0x802910ec chip=0x802910ec rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 none0@pci1:0:0: class=0x030000 card=0x03001039 chip=0x03001039 rev=0x90 hdr=0x00 -- Chris Costello FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org/ TrustedBSD Project http://www.TrustedBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 12:58:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886F837B410 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:58:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from aaz.links.ru (aaz.links.ru [193.125.152.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6036743F85 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:58:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from babolo@aaz.links.ru) Received: from aaz.links.ru (aaz.links.ru [193.125.152.37]) by aaz.links.ru (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h12L10Je012096; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 00:01:00 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from babolo@aaz.links.ru) Received: (from babolo@localhost) by aaz.links.ru (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h12L0x1a012095; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 00:01:00 +0300 (MSK) Message-Id: <200302022101.h12L0x1a012095@aaz.links.ru> Subject: Re: Routing within a Jail X-ELM-OSV: (Our standard violations) hdr-charset=KOI8-R; no-hdr-encoding=1 In-Reply-To: <00cf01c2cacd$4c786420$01e6a8c0@homenet> To: Yakov Sudeikin Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 00:00:59 +0300 (MSK) From: "."@babolo.ru Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL99b (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi freebsd-hackers, > > Jail with multiple LAN cards accessible from within? > > I have my 4.7 box serving a lot of things, and I have a Linux box routing > the network packets for people in my block. I am not an administraotr of the > router. I want to get rid of the Linux station, I want to create a jail on > my FreeBSD box and start a router + firewall there. As far as I know this is > not possible, jail is started binded to single IP. And I need to route > between different interfaces and even differend LAN cards. One of them is > WaveLan, others are Ethernet rl0 like. I want the router to be in the jail > for security purposes, and have all my services also in the other jails > (mysql, apache, ftp, mail, named, samba etc). And I want the host system > ONLY serve jails and do nothing else by itself. Is FreeBSD jail subsystem > mature enough to accomplish this? Use different boxes for router and for services. Strip every internet accessable socket on router for security. -- @BABOLO http://links.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 13:48:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D1937B401; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 13:48:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from scl8owa02.int.exodus.net (scl8out02.exodus.net [66.35.230.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2614043F3F; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 13:48:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Maksim.Yevmenkin@cw.com) Received: from SJDCEX01.int.exodus.net ([165.193.27.80]) by scl8owa02.int.exodus.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 2 Feb 2003 13:48:43 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: PPP in -direct mode does not execute any chat scripts Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 13:48:43 -0800 Message-ID: <45258A4365C6B24A9832BFE224837D552B1283@sjdcex01.int.exodus.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: PPP in -direct mode does not execute any chat scripts thread-index: AcLLBNr6BLcY4uuqSJSM1Pp25kJhxQ== From: "Maksim Yevmenkin" To: Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2003 21:48:43.0937 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB4D2910:01C2CB04] Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear Hackers, I'm working on the Bluetooth stack for FreeBSD and currently doing testing for new in-kernel RFCOMM code. RFCOMM is a way to emulate serial link over Bluetooth. In particular Bluetooth spec defines two RFCOMM based profiles LAN (Network Access profile) and DUN (DialUp Networking profile). Both profiles use PPP. My current in-kernel RFCOMM code provides SOCK_STREAM sockets interface, i.e. when application wants to talk RFCOMM it just opens a socket. The next step is to run PPP, so the launcher program opens RFCOMM connection then dup() socket to stdin and stdout and exec() PPP in direct mode. Everything works great for the LAN profile, where null-modem connection is assumed and both client and server start talking PPP right after RFCOMM connection is established. However the DUN profile is more tricky. In this scenario client just connected to the virtual serial port on the server. Now to start PPP session client must "dial a number". i.e. there is still need for a little chat script. Here is an example: 1) I'd like to use my GPRS and Bluetooth enabled cell phone to access the Internet 2) I open a RFCOMM connection to the cell phone and get connected to the virtual serial port on the cell phone. 3) Now i must dial a "special" GRPS number, i.e. something like ATD*98***1# and wait for CONNECT string from the phone 4) Now i can talk PPP. So the questions is: would it be possible to enable PPP chat=20 in "direct" mode? Is there any reason to not allow this? It seems 'login' script would do just fine. Is there any other/ better way to do this? One possible option right now is to execute /bin/chat from the launcher program before executing PPP, but i'd rather keep all chat scripts in PPP. thanks, max To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 14:20:43 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC1A37B401 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 14:20:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from web13503.mail.yahoo.com (web13503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5A4F943F43 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 14:20:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dyeske@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030202222042.3444.qmail@web13503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.196.239.120] by web13503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Feb 2003 14:20:42 PST Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 14:20:42 -0800 (PST) From: David Yeske Subject: Re: End-Of-Life announcement for M-Systems DiskOnChip driver ("fla"). To: hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I still use this. Users will not suddenly quit using hardware that works, they will start using a different OS that works with it, or they will be stuck trying to continue to support an old version of FreeBSD because it works with it. FreeBSD is the only BSD that currently supports the DOC? Has anyone obtained a copy of the TrueFFS SDK or Boot SDK? Does anyone have DOC hardware that could be used to insure this driver continues to stay alive? Regards, David Yeske __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 15: 2:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9AA37B401 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 15:02:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.iskon.hr (mail.iskon.hr [213.191.128.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4EEAA43F3F for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 15:02:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zec@tel.fer.hr) Received: (qmail 18362 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2003 00:02:21 +0100 Received: from zg04-073.dialin.iskon.hr (HELO tel.fer.hr) (213.191.137.74) by mail.iskon.hr with SMTP; 3 Feb 2003 00:02:21 +0100 Message-ID: <3E3DA383.B67C8881@tel.fer.hr> Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 00:02:27 +0100 From: Marko Zec X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yakov Sudeikin Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Routing within a Jail References: <00cf01c2cacd$4c786420$01e6a8c0@homenet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yakov Sudeikin wrote: > Hi freebsd-hackers, > > Jail with multiple LAN cards accessible from within? > > I have my 4.7 box serving a lot of things, and I have a Linux box routing > the network packets for people in my block. I am not an administraotr of the > router. I want to get rid of the Linux station, I want to create a jail on > my FreeBSD box and start a router + firewall there. As far as I know this is > not possible, jail is started binded to single IP. And I need to route > between different interfaces and even differend LAN cards. One of them is > WaveLan, others are Ethernet rl0 like. I want the router to be in the jail > for security purposes, and have all my services also in the other jails > (mysql, apache, ftp, mail, named, samba etc). And I want the host system > ONLY serve jails and do nothing else by itself. Is FreeBSD jail subsystem > mature enough to accomplish this? > Check http://www.tel.fer.hr/zec/BSD/vimage/ , this could probably be a solution for your scenario. Marko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 15:31:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B1937B401; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 15:31:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB94443F3F; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 15:31:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.12.4/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h12NV6JF050403; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 10:01:07 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) X-Authentication-Warning: cain.gsoft.com.au: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] claimed to be [127.0.0.1] Subject: Re: PPP in -direct mode does not execute any chat scripts From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Maksim Yevmenkin Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <45258A4365C6B24A9832BFE224837D552B1283@sjdcex01.int.exodus.net> References: <45258A4365C6B24A9832BFE224837D552B1283@sjdcex01.int.exodus.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1044228664.1215.3.camel@chowder.gsoft.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 03 Feb 2003 10:01:05 +1030 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1 () CARRIAGE_RETURNS,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 08:18, Maksim Yevmenkin wrote: > So the questions is: would it be possible to enable PPP chat > in "direct" mode? Is there any reason to not allow this? It > seems 'login' script would do just fine. Is there any other/ > better way to do this? One possible option right now is to > execute /bin/chat from the launcher program before executing > PPP, but i'd rather keep all chat scripts in PPP. You'd need to add an option to do this - enabling it by default would break a lot of stuff (eg I use ppp -direct for incoming PPP calls). If -direct *by default* used chat then I would have to change my ppp.conf and that would suck :) Perhaps have 'enable usechatindirect' or some such.. (You might want to forward the email to the PPP maintainer BTW) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 16:25:10 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32B237B401 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 16:25:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from milla.ask33.net (milla.ask33.net [217.197.166.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B5043F79 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 16:25:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nick@milla.ask33.net) Received: by milla.ask33.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 76C393ABB3B; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 01:27:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 01:27:02 +0100 From: Pawel Jakub Dawidek To: Yakov Sudeikin Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Routing within a Jail Message-ID: <20030203002702.GY9430@garage.freebsd.pl> References: <00cf01c2cacd$4c786420$01e6a8c0@homenet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xhZOS9k98klg1Kf3" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00cf01c2cacd$4c786420$01e6a8c0@homenet> X-PGP-Key-URL: http://garage.freebsd.pl/jules.asc X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --xhZOS9k98klg1Kf3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 09:10:58PM +0600, Yakov Sudeikin wrote: +> [...] As far as I know this is +> not possible, jail is started binded to single IP. [...] You can try my patch for multiple ips in jail: http://garage.freebsd.pl/mijail.README http://garage.freebsd.pl/mijail.tbz --=20 Pawel Jakub Dawidek UNIX Systems Administrator http://garage.freebsd.pl Am I Evil? Yes, I Am. --xhZOS9k98klg1Kf3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iQCVAwUBPj23Vj/PhmMH/Mf1AQEV7wP9H+69L9QvO/XcYAV7YlSAZLrQ7feWhzA8 RgVarjAa9x9iDAJK1FdgsCqX0VOT1onZ/+Xwmskp5rtLiZl5izgwkUbq9dZbjaD3 tfT82EGP620Y6AvTobcUpJVTIW5ZRqvRIr7aNtGTv/TIejC7DVLhXAhUaiOxGGPQ 6Khx+t23IVs= =xBO5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xhZOS9k98klg1Kf3-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 16:31: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1C437B405 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 16:30:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net (heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74BCA43F85 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 16:30:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0402.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.193.147] helo=mindspring.com) by heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18fUVl-00053o-00; Sun, 02 Feb 2003 16:30:57 -0800 Message-ID: <3E3DB7EE.8A0026E3@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 16:29:34 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Yeske Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: End-Of-Life announcement for M-Systems DiskOnChip driver ("fla"). References: <20030202222042.3444.qmail@web13503.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a474d2a290bd18d30e97e1a17922c524d9548b785378294e88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Yeske wrote: > I still use this. Users will not suddenly quit using hardware that > works, they will start using a different OS that works with it, or > they will be stuck trying to continue to support an old version of > FreeBSD because it works with it. FreeBSD is the only BSD that > currently supports the DOC? > > Has anyone obtained a copy of the TrueFFS SDK or Boot SDK? > > Does anyone have DOC hardware that could be used to insure this > driver continues to stay alive? The easiest way to keep it alive is to not cut its throat with a hulking great axe in the first place... -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 19: 0:47 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15BB37B401; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:00:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from scl8owa02.int.exodus.net (scl8out02.exodus.net [66.35.230.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8578843F75; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:00:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Maksim.Yevmenkin@cw.com) Received: from SJDCEX01.int.exodus.net ([165.193.27.80]) by scl8owa02.int.exodus.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:00:41 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: PPP in -direct mode does not execute any chat scripts Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:00:41 -0800 Message-ID: <45258A4365C6B24A9832BFE224837D552B1284@sjdcex01.int.exodus.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: PPP in -direct mode does not execute any chat scripts thread-index: AcLLEzTIvU8Cx4ZsSJuAH+1fjExemAAF4e6U From: "Maksim Yevmenkin" To: "Daniel O'Connor" Cc: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2003 03:00:41.0301 (UTC) FILETIME=[6FB84050:01C2CB30] Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Daniel, > > So the questions is: would it be possible to enable PPP chat=20 > > in "direct" mode? Is there any reason to not allow this? It > > seems 'login' script would do just fine. Is there any other/ > > better way to do this? One possible option right now is to > > execute /bin/chat from the launcher program before executing > > PPP, but i'd rather keep all chat scripts in PPP. >=20 > You'd need to add an option to do this - enabling it by default would > break a lot of stuff (eg I use ppp -direct for incoming PPP calls). If > -direct *by default* used chat then I would have to change my ppp.conf > and that would suck :) >=20 > Perhaps have 'enable usechatindirect' or some such.. i agree, it would break things if the 'default' section in the ppp.conf has 'set dial foo' and 'set login bar' lines in it (which is most likely the case) *and* if you use the same ppp.conf for both dialing out and receiving calls. in order to make things work people would have to put 'set dial' and 'set login' lines for the labels used in 'direct' mode.=20 i guess it is better to add the option. back to PPP hacking then :) thanks, max To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 19:20: 2 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D5337B401; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:20:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A31A43F3F; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:20:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h133Jg3Y000708; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:19:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 20:18:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20030202.201833.52904095.imp@bsdimp.com> To: Maksim.Yevmenkin@cw.com Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PPP in -direct mode does not execute any chat scripts From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <45258A4365C6B24A9832BFE224837D552B1283@sjdcex01.int.exodus.net> References: <45258A4365C6B24A9832BFE224837D552B1283@sjdcex01.int.exodus.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there any reason that RFCOMM doesn't give full tty support, like the various USB modem drivers do? That's likely the best way to deal with this. Then ppp or whatever application you want will just work. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 19:56:43 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D5A37B401; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:56:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from scl8owa02.int.exodus.net (scl8out02.exodus.net [66.35.230.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE4343E4A; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:56:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Maksim.Yevmenkin@cw.com) Received: from SJDCEX01.int.exodus.net ([165.193.27.80]) by scl8owa02.int.exodus.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:56:41 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: PPP in -direct mode does not execute any chat scripts Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:56:41 -0800 Message-ID: <45258A4365C6B24A9832BFE224837D552B1286@sjdcex01.int.exodus.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: PPP in -direct mode does not execute any chat scripts thread-index: AcLLMy49eGVenVwORrybTbZ69Ga4BAAALzYP From: "Maksim Yevmenkin" To: "M. Warner Losh" Cc: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2003 03:56:41.0374 (UTC) FILETIME=[427AB3E0:01C2CB38] Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Warner, > Is there any reason that RFCOMM doesn't give full tty support, like > the various USB modem drivers do? That's likely the best way to deal > with this. Then ppp or whatever application you want will just work. Yes, there is. RFCOMM connection can only be established when baseband link is open. Also RFCOMM connection exists between pair of device and identified by source address, destination address and channel. In fact up to 60 RFCOMM channels can exist on the same baseband link between the same pair of devices. So, with tty device things look a bit weird. for example if user wants to dial out then user must do three things: 1) establish binding between source, destination address, channel and particular tty device; 2) open RFCOMM channel on the tty device; 3) start PPP on the tty device. Things gets even more tricky when you want to run server on specific RFCOMM channel. In this case tty device does not exist at all until RFCOMM connection is establised. So it is really hard to do binding between connection and tty device. May be if we could clone tty devices then if would be easier. Also Bluetooth spec. has redefined some aspects of GSM 07.10 spec. and all Bluetooth 1.1 devices do not use modem signals defined in GSM 07.10. Instead there is something called=20 'credit based flow control'. So you see it is probably possible to build a tty-like interface, but i do not think it really worth the trouble. In fact one can do it right now with the help of nmdm(4) driver. It is a simple wrapper that would pass the data between socket and /dev/nmdm0{A|B}. thanks, max To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 19:58:24 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A746837B434; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:58:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29BED43F85; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:58:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.12.4/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h133vqJF055777; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:27:53 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) X-Authentication-Warning: cain.gsoft.com.au: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] claimed to be [127.0.0.1] Subject: Re: PPP in -direct mode does not execute any chat scripts From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: "M. Warner Losh" Cc: Maksim.Yevmenkin@cw.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20030202.201833.52904095.imp@bsdimp.com> References: <45258A4365C6B24A9832BFE224837D552B1283@sjdcex01.int.exodus.net> <20030202.201833.52904095.imp@bsdimp.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1044244669.3685.10.camel@chowder.gsoft.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 03 Feb 2003 14:27:50 +1030 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1 () CARRIAGE_RETURNS,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 13:48, M. Warner Losh wrote: > Is there any reason that RFCOMM doesn't give full tty support, like > the various USB modem drivers do? That's likely the best way to deal > with this. Then ppp or whatever application you want will just work. Maybe it is necessary/useful to 'steer' PPP from the RFCOMM end? eg 'when you get a connection from this device connect via PPP on stdin/stdout' Still I guess you could just run 'ppp rfcomm' instead.. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 20:11:27 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CAFB37B401; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:11:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from scl8owa02.int.exodus.net (scl8out02.exodus.net [66.35.230.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D5A43F93; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:11:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Maksim.Yevmenkin@cw.com) Received: from SJDCEX01.int.exodus.net ([165.193.27.80]) by scl8owa02.int.exodus.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:11:24 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: PPP in -direct mode does not execute any chat scripts Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:11:24 -0800 Message-ID: <45258A4365C6B24A9832BFE224837D552B1287@sjdcex01.int.exodus.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: PPP in -direct mode does not execute any chat scripts thread-index: AcLLOHo07FXF4kzyRBuEjKlGo5NdhgAAMx60 From: "Maksim Yevmenkin" To: "Daniel O'Connor" , "M. Warner Losh" Cc: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2003 04:11:24.0915 (UTC) FILETIME=[511C5C30:01C2CB3A] Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Daniel, > > Is there any reason that RFCOMM doesn't give full tty support, like > > the various USB modem drivers do? That's likely the best way to = deal > > with this. Then ppp or whatever application you want will just = work. > > Maybe it is necessary/useful to 'steer' PPP from the RFCOMM end? >=20 > eg 'when you get a connection from this device connect via PPP on > stdin/stdout' yes. that is one example. but the real trouble with tty is the server application that wants to listen on wildcard address. for example Network Access point that listens on RFCOMM channel 1. no matter what client comes in the server will just accept connection on the socket, fork and run PPP in direct mode.=20 also there are other things besides PPP that use RFCOMM. OBEX is another example, where clients will put/get objects from the server. > Still I guess you could just run 'ppp rfcomm' instead.. it will only work for in RFCOMM client case. i do not know how to build server applications with tty interface (pty's do not count :) thanks, max To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 20:21:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2010637B401; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:21:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E797143E4A; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:21:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.12.4/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h134KiJF056130; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:50:46 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) X-Authentication-Warning: cain.gsoft.com.au: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] claimed to be [127.0.0.1] Subject: RE: PPP in -direct mode does not execute any chat scripts From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Maksim Yevmenkin Cc: "M. Warner Losh" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <45258A4365C6B24A9832BFE224837D552B1287@sjdcex01.int.exodus.net> References: <45258A4365C6B24A9832BFE224837D552B1287@sjdcex01.int.exodus.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1044246042.3685.19.camel@chowder.gsoft.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 03 Feb 2003 14:50:42 +1030 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1 () CARRIAGE_RETURNS,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 14:41, Maksim Yevmenkin wrote: > yes. that is one example. but the real trouble with tty is the > server application that wants to listen on wildcard address. for > example Network Access point that listens on RFCOMM channel 1. no > matter what client comes in the server will just accept connection > on the socket, fork and run PPP in direct mode. > > also there are other things besides PPP that use RFCOMM. OBEX > is another example, where clients will put/get objects from > the server. OK, it is a pity you can't define variables when invoking PPP I guess :) > > Still I guess you could just run 'ppp rfcomm' instead.. > > it will only work for in RFCOMM client case. i do not know > how to build server applications with tty interface (pty's > do not count :) Heh, I use birda for IRDA, it's strictly userland and uses pty's.. Works really well :) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 20:24:15 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5D737B401; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:24:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4551543FA7; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:24:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h134O43Y000977; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:24:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 21:22:50 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20030202.212250.68307224.imp@bsdimp.com> To: Maksim.Yevmenkin@cw.com Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PPP in -direct mode does not execute any chat scripts From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <45258A4365C6B24A9832BFE224837D552B1286@sjdcex01.int.exodus.net> References: <45258A4365C6B24A9832BFE224837D552B1286@sjdcex01.int.exodus.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message: <45258A4365C6B24A9832BFE224837D552B1286@sjdcex01.int.exodus.net> "Maksim Yevmenkin" writes: : So you see it is probably possible to build a tty-like interface, : but i do not think it really worth the trouble. In fact one : can do it right now with the help of nmdm(4) driver. It is a : simple wrapper that would pass the data between socket and : /dev/nmdm0{A|B}. That's one way. Another is to have some control program that interacts with RFCOMM to establish a 'connection' between endpoints and sets the various parameters and gives userland access to it as a tty. barring that, you'll may be able to run chat on stdin/stdout before ppp gets into the act and get the number dialed that way and have ppp -direct run afterwards. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 20:56:16 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68F637B401; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:56:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from scl8owa02.int.exodus.net (scl8out02.exodus.net [66.35.230.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A2343F9B; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:56:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Maksim.Yevmenkin@cw.com) Received: from SJDCEX01.int.exodus.net ([165.193.27.80]) by scl8owa02.int.exodus.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:56:14 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: PPP in -direct mode does not execute any chat scripts Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:56:13 -0800 Message-ID: <45258A4365C6B24A9832BFE224837D552B1288@sjdcex01.int.exodus.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: PPP in -direct mode does not execute any chat scripts thread-index: AcLLPBtehfuRcb3kSp+1BQ5VcPciJwAAMgh/ From: "Maksim Yevmenkin" To: "M. Warner Losh" Cc: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2003 04:56:14.0085 (UTC) FILETIME=[93FB2350:01C2CB40] Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Warner, > : So you see it is probably possible to build a tty-like interface, > : but i do not think it really worth the trouble. In fact one > : can do it right now with the help of nmdm(4) driver. It is a > : simple wrapper that would pass the data between socket and > : /dev/nmdm0{A|B}. >=20 > That's one way. too many moving parts :) > Another is to have some control program that interacts with RFCOMM to > establish a 'connection' between endpoints and sets the various > parameters and gives userland access to it as a tty. sure, but userland somehow *must* know which tty to use. only control program knows which tty it just created, so the control program *must* run userland and *must* tell which tty to use. again if you want to run server, than control program somehow must be informed that incomming connections on RFCOMM channel X should be handled by server application Y. all this make control program somewhat like inetd.=20 my point is that in most cases you do not need all this stuff. there is no point in tty interface. even if you do something like wireless printing (BTW this also goes via RFCOMM). all you need to do is just setup filter that would accept data, open RFCOMM connection and feed data into printer via RFCOMM.=20 > barring that, you'll may be able to run chat on stdin/stdout before > ppp gets into the act and get the number dialed that way and have ppp > -direct run afterwards. that's another option. but why duplicate the code and make things more complicated for user? why user have to setup additional chat script just to dial a GPRS number? if i add 'enable = scripts-in-direct-mode' option to PPP all user would have to do is to add 'set dial