From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 10:06:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F6316A4CE for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:06:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp3.sentex.ca (smtp3.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708F343FB1 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:06:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smtp2.sentex.ca (smtp2c.sentex.ca [64.7.153.30]) by smtp3.sentex.ca (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAGI68x3069095; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:06:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from BLUELAPIS.sentex.ca (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by smtp2.sentex.ca (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with SMTP id hAGI6AiR023634; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:06:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) From: Mike Tancsa To: "Douglas K. Rand" Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:06:11 -0500 Message-ID: References: <8765hlxkyd.wl@delta.meridian-enviro.com> <200311160207.hAG27cV64876@agena.meridian-enviro.com> <874qx5x8yz.wl@delta.meridian-enviro.com> In-Reply-To: <874qx5x8yz.wl@delta.meridian-enviro.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: asr monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:06:13 -0000 This is really odd. We have quite a few cards deployed on FreeBSD and have none of these problems. Which 3ware cards are you using ? What is the firmware rev ? ---Mike On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:56:04 -0600, in sentex.lists.freebsd.hardware you wrote: >Simon> Please do share your unhappy experience with 3ware. > >We've had one troublesome system, running supported IBM disks (120 GB >IC35L120AVVA07 disks) where we have repeated drive timeout errors, and >recently the mirror sets (we're running 4 disks in a RAID-10) get out >of sync. I had it once where the system was still stable (kind of at >least) and an MD5 checksum of a large file would come up different, >but always one of two values. I did the "verify array" operation at >the BIOS, and it found "an unknown error". (If its unknow, how can it >be an error?) This causes the volume to be initialized, and then my >MD5 checksum is always the same. > >We just had one of our MySQL servers die with a corrupted page in the >database, ran the verify array on that system, and again we got the >unknown error. (This system also has supported disks, the IBM 80 GB >IC35L080AVVA07.) > >I'm really getting worried now with the mirror sets getting out of >sync, this is not a good thing at all.=20 > >The rumor mill has 3ware supporting FreeBSD directly with their 7.7 >release of drivers, so I'll probably try that when it happens.=20 > >simon> 3ware can email you if something goes wrong, no need to watch >simon> syslog. > >Right, I guess I just like the syslog approach, it works even if 3dmd >isn't working, or the system is so borked it can't send email, in >which case it probably can't send a syslog message either. :( >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware >To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 13:22:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F35B16A4CE for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:22:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from agena.meridian-enviro.com (agena.meridian-enviro.com [207.109.235.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64A743FDD for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:22:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rand@meridian-enviro.com) Received: from delta.meridian-enviro.com (delta.meridian-enviro.com [10.10.10.43])hAGLMDV84970; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:22:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rand@meridian-enviro.com) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:22:13 -0600 Message-ID: <873ccoxb3u.wl@delta.meridian-enviro.com> From: "Douglas K. Rand" To: "Simon" In-Reply-To: <200311160402.hAG42MV84340@agena.meridian-enviro.com> References: <874qx5x8yz.wl@delta.meridian-enviro.com> <200311160402.hAG42MV84340@agena.meridian-enviro.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.10.1 (Watching The Wheels) SEMI/1.14.5 (Awara-Onsen) FLIM/1.14.5 (Demachiyanagi) APEL/10.6 MULE XEmacs/21.4 (patch 14) (Reasonable Discussion) (i386--freebsd) X-Face: $L%T~#'9fAQ])o]A][d7EH`V;"_;2K;TEPQB=v]rDf_2s% Subject: Re: asr monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:22:34 -0000 Simon> Is this repeatable on different hardware (different drives/raid Simon> card/etc) using 3ware? I cannot reliably reproduce the problem. I do have one partiuclar system that fails this way fairly often, once or twice a month. I've experienced the same problem on two other systems, but actually only once on each of these two systems. All of our installations are RAID-10. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 13:33:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E17FA16A4CE for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:33:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from agena.meridian-enviro.com (agena.meridian-enviro.com [207.109.235.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A4343F85 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:33:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rand@meridian-enviro.com) Received: from delta.meridian-enviro.com (delta.meridian-enviro.com [10.10.10.43])hAGLX2V85837; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:33:02 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rand@meridian-enviro.com) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:33:02 -0600 Message-ID: <871xs8xalt.wl@delta.meridian-enviro.com> From: "Douglas K. Rand" To: Mike Tancsa In-Reply-To: References: <8765hlxkyd.wl@delta.meridian-enviro.com> <200311160207.hAG27cV64876@agena.meridian-enviro.com> <874qx5x8yz.wl@delta.meridian-enviro.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.10.1 (Watching The Wheels) SEMI/1.14.5 (Awara-Onsen) FLIM/1.14.5 (Demachiyanagi) APEL/10.6 MULE XEmacs/21.4 (patch 14) (Reasonable Discussion) (i386--freebsd) X-Face: $L%T~#'9fAQ])o]A][d7EH`V;"_;2K;TEPQB=v]rDf_2s% List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:33:23 -0000 Mike> This is really odd. We have quite a few cards deployed on Mike> FreeBSD and have none of these problems. Which 3ware cards are Mike> you using? What is the firmware rev? What really worries me about this is that the mirror set gets corrupted WITHOUT the 3ware controller knowing about it. The system we have the recurring problems with is: o FreeBSD 4.8 o 3ware 7506-4LP o 4 x IBM 120GB IC35L120AVVA07 disks o Tyan 2460 Tiger MP o 1 GB of Micron ECC RAM o 2 x AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2000+ o (I don't have the BIOS rev, the card is out of the system right now) Other systems we've had the problem in: o FreeBSD 4.7 o 3ware 7500-4LP o 4 x IBM 80GB IC35L080AVVA07 disks o Tyan 2460 Tiger MP o 1 GB of Micron ECC RAM o 2 x AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2000+ o twe0: 4 ports, Firmware FE7X 1.04.00.024, BIOS BE7X 1.07.02.008 o FreeBSD 4.8 o 3ware 7450 o 4 x IBM 75GB DTLA-307075 disks o SuperMicro P6DBS o 768 MB of Micron ECC RAM o 2 x Pentium II 400MHz o twe0: 4 ports, Firmware FE7X 1.03.09.027, BIOS BE7X 1.07.02.002 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 13:42:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5B616A550 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:42:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from cobra.acceleratedweb.net (cobra-gw.acceleratedweb.net [207.99.79.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 289BD43FE3 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:42:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: (qmail 60190 invoked by uid 110); 16 Nov 2003 21:44:17 -0000 Received: from ool-18baaf5c.dyn.optonline.net (HELO win2kpc1) (24.186.175.92) by cobra.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 16 Nov 2003 21:44:17 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "Douglas K. Rand" , "Mike Tancsa" Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:42:28 -0500 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2661) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;4) In-Reply-To: <871xs8xalt.wl@delta.meridian-enviro.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20031116214234.289BD43FE3@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: "freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: asr monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:42:35 -0000 I would contact 3ware about this and make sure you are running latest firmware on the drives and the controller as well as the motherboard. The controller does ECC checks on all reads and writes, which is how it knows when a drive fails. FreeBSD should have very little to do with this as 3ware is a pure hardware RAID. I would try fixing the problem before trying adaptec or any other brand, for that matter. You may end up with even worse problems. I heard more bad things about adaptec RAID than 3ware. It could very well be that several of your drives are bad and 3ware just can't pick up on it, but who knows, ask 3ware :-) -Simon On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:33:02 -0600, Douglas K. Rand wrote: >Mike> This is really odd. We have quite a few cards deployed on >Mike> FreeBSD and have none of these problems. Which 3ware cards are >Mike> you using? What is the firmware rev? > >What really worries me about this is that the mirror set gets >corrupted WITHOUT the 3ware controller knowing about it. > >The system we have the recurring problems with is: > > o FreeBSD 4.8 > o 3ware 7506-4LP > o 4 x IBM 120GB IC35L120AVVA07 disks > o Tyan 2460 Tiger MP > o 1 GB of Micron ECC RAM > o 2 x AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2000+ > o (I don't have the BIOS rev, the card is out of the system right > now) > >Other systems we've had the problem in: > > o FreeBSD 4.7 > o 3ware 7500-4LP > o 4 x IBM 80GB IC35L080AVVA07 disks > o Tyan 2460 Tiger MP > o 1 GB of Micron ECC RAM > o 2 x AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2000+ > o twe0: 4 ports, Firmware FE7X 1.04.00.024, BIOS BE7X 1.07.02.008 > > > o FreeBSD 4.8 > o 3ware 7450 > o 4 x IBM 75GB DTLA-307075 disks > o SuperMicro P6DBS > o 768 MB of Micron ECC RAM > o 2 x Pentium II 400MHz > o twe0: 4 ports, Firmware FE7X 1.03.09.027, BIOS BE7X 1.07.02.002 >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 14:52:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F0416A4CE for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:52:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from agena.meridian-enviro.com (agena.meridian-enviro.com [207.109.235.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0BC243FBF for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:52:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rand@meridian-enviro.com) Received: from delta.meridian-enviro.com (delta.meridian-enviro.com [10.10.10.43])hAGMq9V91437; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:52:09 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rand@meridian-enviro.com) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:52:08 -0600 Message-ID: <87znewvsdj.wl@delta.meridian-enviro.com> From: "Douglas K. Rand" To: "Simon" In-Reply-To: <200311162142.hAGLgXV86401@agena.meridian-enviro.com> References: <871xs8xalt.wl@delta.meridian-enviro.com> <200311162142.hAGLgXV86401@agena.meridian-enviro.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.10.1 (Watching The Wheels) SEMI/1.14.5 (Awara-Onsen) FLIM/1.14.5 (Demachiyanagi) APEL/10.6 MULE XEmacs/21.4 (patch 14) (Reasonable Discussion) (i386--freebsd) X-Face: $L%T~#'9fAQ])o]A][d7EH`V;"_;2K;TEPQB=v]rDf_2s% cc: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: asr monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:52:12 -0000 Simon> I would contact 3ware about this and make sure you are running Simon> latest firmware on the drives and the controller as well as the Simon> motherboard. I know that I'm not at the most recent rev of the BIOS on the 3ware cards, but I'm also sure that I'm running different BIOS revs on all three cards. My experience in the past with 3ware support has been less than satisfactory. Sure, I'm not running a supported OS (yet), but the guy at 3ware is never very helpful. (It always seems to be the same guy.) Simon> The controller does ECC checks on all reads and writes, which Simon> is how it knows when a drive fails. FreeBSD should have very Simon> little to do with this as 3ware is a pure hardware RAID. I agree, but I haven't had much luck persuading 3ware of that view point. Simon> I would try fixing the problem before trying adaptec or any Simon> other brand, for that matter. You may end up with even worse Simon> problems. We've been fighting this problem for months now, and while I'd like to get it solved, I really need to get some systems up and into production. I've been doing some performance tests, and the Adaptec card falls pretty short of the 3ware card, most likely because of the 64 bit interface that the 3ware card has, and the Adaptec is only 32 bit. Simon> I heard more bad things about adaptec RAID than 3ware. This is not good news. :( Simon> It could very well be that several of your drives are bad and Simon> 3ware just can't pick up on it, but who knows, ask 3ware :-) I also thought that the drives were suspect. But after running IBM's drive fitness test, going so far as to have it erase the entire disk and then verify the media afterwards, all the disks pass this test. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 15:14:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83D316A4CE for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:14:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp3.sentex.ca (smtp3.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C314D43FBD for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:14:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by smtp3.sentex.ca (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAGNEIx3016147; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:14:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simian.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [192.168.43.27]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAGNEKhX058659; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:14:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.0.20031116181425.0709f7c8@209.112.4.2> X-Sender: mdtpop@209.112.4.2 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:19:04 -0500 To: "Douglas K. Rand" From: Mike Tancsa In-Reply-To: <871xs8xalt.wl@delta.meridian-enviro.com> References: <8765hlxkyd.wl@delta.meridian-enviro.com> <200311160207.hAG27cV64876@agena.meridian-enviro.com> <874qx5x8yz.wl@delta.meridian-enviro.com> <871xs8xalt.wl@delta.meridian-enviro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: asr monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:14:25 -0000 I am running with FE7X 1.05.00.023 BE7X 1.08.00.036 on a number of 7xxxx cards with good results. The only heavily used RAID10 I have is on a 6xxx series card. Most are Intel boards, but I do have one dual MP 2000 board that runs RAID1 on a 7000 board. ---Mike At 04:33 PM 16/11/2003, Douglas K. Rand wrote: >Mike> This is really odd. We have quite a few cards deployed on >Mike> FreeBSD and have none of these problems. Which 3ware cards are >Mike> you using? What is the firmware rev? > >What really worries me about this is that the mirror set gets >corrupted WITHOUT the 3ware controller knowing about it. > >The system we have the recurring problems with is: > > o FreeBSD 4.8 > o 3ware 7506-4LP > o 4 x IBM 120GB IC35L120AVVA07 disks > o Tyan 2460 Tiger MP > o 1 GB of Micron ECC RAM > o 2 x AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2000+ > o (I don't have the BIOS rev, the card is out of the system right > now) > >Other systems we've had the problem in: > > o FreeBSD 4.7 > o 3ware 7500-4LP > o 4 x IBM 80GB IC35L080AVVA07 disks > o Tyan 2460 Tiger MP > o 1 GB of Micron ECC RAM > o 2 x AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2000+ > o twe0: 4 ports, Firmware FE7X 1.04.00.024, BIOS BE7X 1.07.02.008 > > > o FreeBSD 4.8 > o 3ware 7450 > o 4 x IBM 75GB DTLA-307075 disks > o SuperMicro P6DBS > o 768 MB of Micron ECC RAM > o 2 x Pentium II 400MHz > o twe0: 4 ports, Firmware FE7X 1.03.09.027, BIOS BE7X 1.07.02.002 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 06:11:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC5916A4CE for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:11:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from quartz.jimking.net (wddl-adsl-nrp2-186.txucom.net [207.70.162.186]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57B043FBF for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:11:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@jimking.net) Received: from jimking.net (charcoal.ad.lgc.com [134.132.77.248]) (authenticated bits=0) by quartz.jimking.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAHEB3Sn067836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:11:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jim@jimking.net) Message-ID: <3FB8D6F4.90103@jimking.net> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:11:00 -0600 From: Jim King User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031110 Thunderbird/0.4a X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Dell 2450 monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:11:05 -0000 I just got a Dell PowerEdge 2450 and I have installed FreeBSD 5.1 on it. Is there any software that will let me monitor hardware status, i.e. temperatures, fan speeds, power supply status, etc.? From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 16:56:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5958A16A4CE; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:56:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09FA43FAF; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:56:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from b_cassidy@bellsouth.net) Received: from bellsouth.net ([68.214.83.181]) by imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.netSMTP <20031118005631.ZFKF11940.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@bellsouth.net>; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:56:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:01:08 -0600 From: Bryan Cassidy To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20031117200108.66f53bcb.b_cassidy@bellsouth.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.7 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: New parts for new PC (need help - little knowledge of hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 00:56:35 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I suck when it comes to hardware. I know so little about hardware. My dad said he is gonna get me about $400.00 worth of computer parts for Christmas/Birthday sence they are so close so I can start building a new custom PC. I have already picked out the case I want. I found a Antec PlusView1000AMG chassis I like for $80.00 on e-bay so that is the first thing I have chosen to get. Next is to choose a mother board. I am wanting a ASUS just because I hear alot of people talking about it on the forums, irc etc and think I would be happy with it. One of the things I am confused about it the onboard sound. I don't want onboard sound. Or do I? I am using a Sound Blaster Live!/PCI card now and I think I want to stick with a PCI sound card. If the motherboard from asus has onboard sound can I use a PCI sound card? Is it best to use a PCI sound card or onboard? I get confused when it comes with PCI sound cards and onboard sound. What is really over all best when it comes to performance and features that is supported in FreeBSD? So, I have a Chassis picked out and *just* a brand name motherboard I want to buy. Any sertain models you people would recommend on a Asus motherboard? Remember, I know pretty much nothing about hardware, I have $400 to spend, if the amount of the chassis ($80.00) plus the price of the motherboard yall *may* recommend doesn't equal up to $400 could you give some more recommendations on parts? Maybe video cards, power supply and cooling? I was thinking about buying the TrueBlue 480 Watt PSU 480 Watt ATX12V Illuminated from antec. Good idea? Recommend something else that I can get the same things from this power supply in another one but cheaper? Sorry about the crazy questions but I know nothing about hardware and I would like to get some *real* opinions on hardware on FreeBSD. This system will most deffinately have FreeBSD installed. I think I will always use FreeBSD as long as I own a computer. I'm pretty sure I can get a case that's $80.00, a mother board around $100 or so, a power supply, *maybe* a video card and a hard drive for around $400. What else can you tell me to help out? I appreciate any responses I get. He wants me to hurry up and tell him what I want so he can go on and order it for me. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/uX1kjnOL7dYm/EQRAt5hAJ46bDemQCVApHoRfz1zT7CRlfrf5gCfbGbb pPVHtBnW1PlLxi2ZvoXc3WY= =nfYx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 18:23:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0623016A4CE for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:23:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from cydem.org (h24-66-230-151.ed.shawcable.net [24.66.230.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2B043FCB for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:23:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org.ua) Received: from h24-66-229-2.ed.shawcable.net (h24-66-229-2.ed.shawcable.net [24.66.229.2]) by cydem.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDAA36B12; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:23:17 -0700 (MST) From: To: b_cassidy@bellsouth.net Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:23:16 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20031117200108.66f53bcb.b_cassidy@bellsouth.net> In-Reply-To: <20031117200108.66f53bcb.b_cassidy@bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200311171923.16288.soralx@cydem.org.ua> cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New parts for new PC (need help - little knowledge of hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 02:23:23 -0000 > things I am confused about it the onboard sound. I don't want onboard > sound. Or do I? probably not > If the motherboard from > asus has onboard sound can I use a PCI sound card? yes, you can always use both if you want (if the onboard one will work in FreeBSD, of course) > Is it best to use a PCI sound card or onboard? PCI sound cards are generally better (they have higher sound quality and amplification) > Remember, I know pretty much nothing about hardware, Sooner or later, you'll have to learn; now it's good time to start... > cooling? I was thinking about buying the TrueBlue 480 Watt PSU > 480 Watt ATX12V Illuminated from antec. Good idea? I think that 480 Watts is really too much for U$400 machine As for the system configuration, it's better for you to decide what you want by your self. Maybe all you want is some Via Epia C3? I would personally recommend Athlon XP or Pentium III [Tualatin] based system. When selecting a mainboard, check (by chipset names) that the on-board ethernet, sound and ATA controllers will work with FreeBSD. 17.11.2003; 19:07:05 [SorAlx] http://cydem.org.ua/ From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 18:44:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F1A16A4CE; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:44:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-lbl.southeast.rr.com [24.25.9.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4747943FCB; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:44:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@ec.rr.com) Received: from ec.rr.com (cpe-024-211-231-149.ec.rr.com [24.211.231.149]) hAI2i4fm017919; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:44:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3FB98764.7060008@ec.rr.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:43:48 -0500 From: Jason User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Patrick Proniewski References: <20031117200108.66f53bcb.b_cassidy@bellsouth.net> <6007B49C-1967-11D8-9BA9-0030654D97EC@patpro.net> In-Reply-To: <6007B49C-1967-11D8-9BA9-0030654D97EC@patpro.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Bryan Cassidy Subject: Re: New parts for new PC (need help - little knowledge of hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 02:44:12 -0000 Patrick Proniewski wrote: > On 18 nov. 2003, at 03:01, Bryan Cassidy wrote: > >> Next is to choose a mother board. I am >> wanting a ASUS just because I hear alot of people talking about it on >> the forums, irc etc and think I would be happy with it. > > > you will, as long as you do not choose a cheap ASUS (SiS chipset and > controllers) > For max performance and better FreeBSD support, choose a motherboard > with Intel chipset (if you choose to go with a pentium of course, I've > no experience with AMD) > If you go amd choose an nforce board. The newer chipset revisions are great for overclocking. The nforce also has(depending on manufacture and chipset version) great integrated audio(the same dobly digital thx(?) certified hardware on the xbox) and video(a geforce 2 or 4 mx). Last time I heard the onboard land support sucks for any open source os, or in other words may require a lot of your time to get working. Asus is very good, but I am an avid epox user, so I must recommend an epox also. > >> If the motherboard from >> asus has onboard sound can I use a PCI sound card? > > > you can, of course. > > >> Is it best to use a >> PCI sound card or onboard? > > > PCI is better, in general, as for Video or LAN, but some high end > motherboard have very good (in quality) onboard feature. > my order of priority here is : lan > video > sound : if you can buy > only one PCI card, take a NIC card, then a video card, then finally a > sound card. > Of course, a gamer would choose to get video "offboard" as a priority. > depends on your use. > > >> I was thinking about buying the TrueBlue 480 Watt PSU >> 480 Watt ATX12V Illuminated from antec. Good idea? > > > first you list your needs : > - computational power > - disk space > - video power > - RAM use > Pcpowercooling.com has excellent equipment and has info to help you choose the right size psu. Also I have always used linksys network equipment and am very happy with there products. Finnally if you can afford it scsi is diffenetly better than ide, but I'm sure most people will think that is over kill. Though if you are shopping on ebay you can find some great deals, older used scsi is still leaps and bounds better than ide, though the sizes of the drives may be low by comparison. I would suggest you do most of your shopping for new stuff on newwgg.com, I have always had great experinces with them. > then you choose your processor, your disks, and so on. > You should end with 1 or 2 motherboards that will suit your needs and > price. > > In general you'll want to avoid very cheap chipset, ultra-low end > video card are just good enough for console, low end NIC with crash > your freeBSD box (worst case) or drop paquets and deliver poor I/O. > > Remember that PIV and latest AMD need huge PSU, 480 W will be fine > anyway. > SATA disk are not yet good enough to justify their tag. IDE will be > great but I would recommand a good controler (*not* SiS) > Try and choose a good motherboard that will sport 4 or more RAM slots, > and that support more than 1GB RAM, so you'll be able to add some RAM > later. > Don't go with IDE RAID. Even if it works great, it's extra money and > hassle. > NIC : intel etherexpress Pro 10/100 is really good, most 3Com are good > too, avoid low end Dlink/Realtek > > Take a look a ABIT's motherboard, some of them are really good. > > hth > > patpro From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 19:09:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB55B16A4CE for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:09:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from cydem.org (h24-66-230-151.ed.shawcable.net [24.66.230.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6331743FB1 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:09:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org.ua) Received: from h24-66-229-2.ed.shawcable.net (h24-66-229-2.ed.shawcable.net [24.66.229.2]) by cydem.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB8E37FAC; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:09:41 -0700 (MST) From: To: jason@ec.rr.com, patpro@patpro.net Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:09:40 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20031117200108.66f53bcb.b_cassidy@bellsouth.net> <6007B49C-1967-11D8-9BA9-0030654D97EC@patpro.net> <3FB98764.7060008@ec.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3FB98764.7060008@ec.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200311172009.40504.soralx@cydem.org.ua> cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New parts for new PC (need help - little knowledge of hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 03:09:44 -0000 > equipment and am very happy with there products. Finnally if you can > afford it scsi is diffenetly better than ide, but I'm sure most people > will think that is over kill. Though if you are shopping on ebay you > can find some great deals, older used scsi is still leaps and bounds > better than ide, though the sizes of the drives may be low by > comparison. I would suggest you do most of your shopping for new stuff IMO main reason to go with SCSI is reliability of every SCSI product. For example, I've seen lots and lots of dead IDE hard drives, but _never_ seen a real SCSI HDD die (I have an old 200Mb one that still works well). Note that I'm talking here about real SCSI drives, but not just a regular IDE HDD with SCSI interface; also, I have no experience with the newer stuff (SCSI drives over ~40Gb) 17.11.2003; 20:02:13 [SorAlx] http://cydem.org.ua/ From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 19:23:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A8716A4CE; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:23:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0108043FBF; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:23:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from judmarc@fastmail.fm) X-Sasl-enc: ghj089+P3G/P9/Lre1zjSw 1069125821 Received: from jud.dyndns.org (dialup-67.74.84.82.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net [67.74.84.82]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8464233F5; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:23:40 -0500 (EST) To: "Bryan Cassidy" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20031117200108.66f53bcb.b_cassidy@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: From: Jud Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:23:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20031117200108.66f53bcb.b_cassidy@bellsouth.net> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.30 (FreeBSD, build 505) cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New parts for new PC (need help - little knowledge of hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 03:23:48 -0000 On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:01:08 -0600, Bryan Cassidy wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I suck when it comes to hardware. I know so little about hardware. My > dad said he is gonna get me about $400.00 worth of computer parts for > Christmas/Birthday sence they are so close so I can start building a new > custom PC. I have already picked out the case I want. I found a Antec > PlusView1000AMG chassis I like for $80.00 on e-bay so that is the first > thing I have chosen to get. Next is to choose a mother board. I am > wanting a ASUS just because I hear alot of people talking about it on > the forums, irc etc and think I would be happy with it. One of the > things I am confused about it the onboard sound. I don't want onboard > sound. Or do I? I am using a Sound Blaster Live!/PCI card now and I > think I want to stick with a PCI sound card. If the motherboard from > asus has onboard sound can I use a PCI sound card? Is it best to use a > PCI sound card or onboard? I get confused when it comes with PCI sound > cards and onboard sound. What is really over all best when it comes to > performance and features that is supported in FreeBSD? So, I have a > Chassis picked out and *just* a brand name motherboard I want to buy. > Any sertain models you people would recommend on a Asus motherboard? > Remember, I know pretty much nothing about hardware, I have $400 to > spend, if the amount of the chassis ($80.00) plus the price of the > motherboard yall *may* recommend doesn't equal up to $400 could you give > some more recommendations on parts? Maybe video cards, power supply and > cooling? I was thinking about buying the TrueBlue 480 Watt PSU > 480 Watt ATX12V Illuminated from antec. Good idea? Recommend something > else that I can get the same things from this power supply in another > one but cheaper? Sorry about the crazy questions but I know nothing > about hardware and I would like to get some *real* opinions on hardware > on FreeBSD. This system will most deffinately have FreeBSD installed. I > think I will always use FreeBSD as long as I own a computer. I'm pretty > sure I can get a case that's $80.00, a mother board around $100 or so, a > power supply, *maybe* a video card and a hard drive for around $400. > What else can you tell me to help out? I appreciate any responses I get. > He wants me to hurry up and tell him what I want so he can go on and > order it for me. You can probably give yourself a bit of a crash course by looking at and , then take a look through to see what you can get for your money. Don't forget memory, for which you may want to look at as well as NewEgg. PC Power and Cooling has high quality stuff, but they may be a bit over your budget. Regarding motherboards and CPUs, AMDs are cheaper than Pentiums for equivalent performance, but AMDs run hotter, meaning the CPU fan must move more air, meaning more noise. Though not the absolute best on price, in terms of quality service and excellent advice on putting together a system you could do a lot worse than talking to Todd at Envision Computer Solutions (). Jud From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 20:13:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3664616A4CE; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:13:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C3743FAF; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:13:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from b_cassidy@bellsouth.net) Received: from bellsouth.net ([68.214.83.181]) by imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.netSMTP <20031118041308.ZHCA6276.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@bellsouth.net>; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:13:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:17:49 -0600 From: Bryan Cassidy To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20031117231749.752eb920.b_cassidy@bellsouth.net> In-Reply-To: <200311171923.16288.soralx@cydem.org.ua> References: <20031117200108.66f53bcb.b_cassidy@bellsouth.net> <200311171923.16288.soralx@cydem.org.ua> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.7 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New parts for new PC (need help - little knowledge of hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 04:13:10 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Oh no. I must have explained myself wrong. $400.00 is just for starters. I know for a fact I'm gonna buy that case so that leaves me with say $300.00 to be on the safe side. Besides the case I would like the motherboard to be the first actual piece of hardware I buy. Meaning the motherboard could be $300.00 is it is well worth putting into a new system. I just want to get the best performance in all ways when using FreeBSD on a daily bases, as a server, maybe do some video/image editing, playing dvds, don't really care about games on the pc but would like some crips clean graphics when using X and it's applications, and ANYTHING that I might want to get into later on FreeBSD I want to be able to do it fast and use the features the hardware offers that FreeBSD supports. I like doing anything and everything pretty much on FreeBSD. I just love it. It's just that I want a new machine, I will most likely pick up new things to do under FreeBSD and want to do it with the full capabilities the OS offers. Like i said, $400.00 is just for starters. I am getting the case from Antec for sure, the motherboard I'm sure I want to go with ASUS could cost $300.00 and break even with $400.00 for the first FEW parts I am getting. The reason I am building the PC is to learn about hardware mainly and to have more fun with FreeBSD of course. So, the things that I will be doing on FreeBSD are not limited to just using Sylpheed, Opera etc. I might pick up something new tomorrow, see a feature that FreeBSD offers to make more out of my machine but my hardware just doesn't have it. I hope I made myself more clear this time. On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:23:16 -0700 wrote: > > > things I am confused about it the onboard sound. I don't want > > onboard sound. Or do I? > > probably not > > > If the motherboard from > > asus has onboard sound can I use a PCI sound card? > > yes, you can always use both if you want (if the onboard one will work > in FreeBSD, of course) > > > Is it best to use a PCI sound card or onboard? > > PCI sound cards are generally better (they have higher sound quality > and amplification) > > > Remember, I know pretty much nothing about hardware, > > Sooner or later, you'll have to learn; now it's good time to start... > > > cooling? I was thinking about buying the TrueBlue 480 Watt PSU > > 480 Watt ATX12V Illuminated from antec. Good idea? > > I think that 480 Watts is really too much for U$400 machine > > As for the system configuration, it's better for you to decide what > you want by your self. Maybe all you want is some Via Epia C3? I would > personally recommend Athlon XP or Pentium III [Tualatin] based system. > > When selecting a mainboard, check (by chipset names) that the on-board > ethernet, sound and ATA controllers will work with FreeBSD. > > 17.11.2003; 19:07:05 > [SorAlx] http://cydem.org.ua/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/uat9jnOL7dYm/EQRAmjnAJ0ZmMjFeTfkdZe2sXq8rUcRMyHwZQCcDIPq fb+YLpzeYyD6LIxtSHIgW3Y= =ohfh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 03:26:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D083916A4CF for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 03:26:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.poste.it (piallalo.cs.poste.it [62.241.4.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7685943FBD for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 03:26:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrea.franceschini@postecom.it) Received: from knute.cs.poste.it (192.168.44.146) by relay.poste.it (6.7.015) id 3FA8462A00022D53; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:26:35 +0100 Received: from knute.cs.poste.it (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knute.cs.poste.it (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hAIBPH9w004028; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:25:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andrea.franceschini@postecom.it) Received: (from andrea@localhost) by knute.cs.poste.it (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id hAIBPHEa004027; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:25:17 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: knute.cs.poste.it: andrea set sender to andrea.franceschini@postecom.it using -f Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:25:16 +0100 From: Andrea Franceschini To: SAMU Message-ID: <20031118112516.GA2034@postecom.it> Mail-Followup-To: SAMU , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org References: <5956122968.20031113131421@mail.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5956122968.20031113131421@mail.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless DWL-520+ X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:26:42 -0000 On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 01:14:21PM +0300, SAMU wrote: > Hello ALL, > I have DLink DWL-520+ adapter. It have VendorID:0x104C and devID:0x8400. System is FreeBSD 4.9 RC. > I could not to make it work properly in my system. > > Now i'll discibe my actions: > 1) in file if_wi_pci.c I have added line: " {0x104c, 0x8400, WI_BUS_PCI_NATIVE, "Intersil Prism2.5"}," > 2) I have recompiled kernel > During boot time system found new device wi0 with memory range "blah blah" and port range "blah blah" on pci0 IRQ 10. > After that system reports error: wi0 "No Mem space on prism2.5?" > > What's wrong ? > Can I make it work anyway? > > > -- > Best regards, > SAMU mailto:samspeedu@mail.ru > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" All the "plus" models of DLink (520+,650+) are based on Texas Instruments ACX100 which is not supported. On linux there's an reverse engineering effort give a look at acx100.sf.net.. Bye. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 10:07:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AAFC16A4CE for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:07:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CDDC443F3F for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:07:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dguha1@gmx.de) Received: (qmail 1691 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 2003 18:07:09 -0000 Received: from 128.253.38.63 by www56.gmx.net with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:07:09 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:07:09 +0100 (MET) From: "Dip Guha" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated: #19482560 Message-ID: <14554.1069178829@www56.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Question about RS232 interfacing X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:07:12 -0000 Hello All, I am new to this list and am not sure if this is the right place to ask this question. Nonetheless, I am sure that you computer gurus can provide me some pointers. What I am trying to do is this: I have a camera shutter driver that is connected to COM1 port and a camera image processing unit that is connected to the parallel (printer) port. I am interested to control the driver and the image processing unit by writing a program in a PC that is used as a controller. The PC has Windows 98 installed in it, and I am using a Turbo C++ 7.0 compiler. While compiling the program, I am getting an error in dos.h which states that the following are wrong: void _Cdecl setvect (int interruptno, void interrupt (*isr()); -> This says function definition out of place void interrupt (*_Cdecl getvect(int interruptno)) (); -> the same error here as well. I am not sure what exactly the problem is, though I suspect a compiler mismatch. Can any one of you please let me know what I could do to rectify this error? Or perhaps provide me some help (or an alternative link) so that I could get the program working. Thanks a lot in advance! Dip -- GMX Weihnachts-Special: Seychellen-Traumreise zu gewinnen! Rentier entlaufen. Finden Sie Rudolph! Als Belohnung winken tolle Preise. http://www.gmx.net/de/cgi/specialmail/ +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More! +++ From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 15:11:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEED316A4CE for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:11:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from beowulf.devnetinc.com (beowulf.devnetinc.com [65.204.197.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 027BD43FF3 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:11:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crome@devnetinc.com) Received: by beowulf.devnetinc.com (DEVNET, Inc. Mail Daemon, from userid 1003) id C95412000342; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:19:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from cromedome (proxy.devnetinc.com [65.204.197.227]) 7FF662000340 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:19:06 -0600 (CST) From: "Jason A. Crome" To: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:13:30 -0600 Organization: DEVNET, Inc. Message-ID: <003901c3ae29$9472a7a0$2600a8c6@cromedome> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: Multi-homed system in FreeBSD 4.9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:11:10 -0000 Hello all, Hate to sound dumb, but this is my first time setting up a multi-homed system in FreeBSD. I can get the box working just fine with one network adapter, but the second adapter will not take an IP address. Using = dmesg and ifconfig, I can see the card just fine. . . . There doesn't appear = to be anything wrong other than the card not showing the IP I have assigned = it. The box is using 2 3Com 3c905C network cards. I have verified that both cards work in other PCs. I am attempting to assign one card the IP 192.168.0.1 and the other 192.168.0.2 (using /stand/sysinstall) in an attempt to monitor traffic across my network. Any insight that can be offered up would be of great assistance :-) Thanks in advance! -------------------------------------------------- Jason A. Crome Senior Software Engineer, DEVNET, Inc. E-Mail: crome@devnetinc.com http://www.devnetinc.com =20 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 15:33:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E694616A4CF for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:33:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from pit.databus.com (p70-227.acedsl.com [66.114.70.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D418643FB1 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:33:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barney@pit.databus.com) Received: from pit.databus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pit.databus.com (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAINXSTb034795; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:33:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from barney@pit.databus.com) Received: (from barney@localhost) by pit.databus.com (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id hAINXSPw034794; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:33:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from barney) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:33:28 -0500 From: Barney Wolff To: "Jason A. Crome" Message-ID: <20031118233328.GA34651@pit.databus.com> References: <003901c3ae29$9472a7a0$2600a8c6@cromedome> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <003901c3ae29$9472a7a0$2600a8c6@cromedome> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multi-homed system in FreeBSD 4.9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:33:32 -0000 On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 05:13:30PM -0600, Jason A. Crome wrote: > > Hate to sound dumb, but this is my first time setting up a multi-homed > system in FreeBSD. I can get the box working just fine with one network > adapter, but the second adapter will not take an IP address. Using dmesg > and ifconfig, I can see the card just fine. . . . There doesn't appear to > be anything wrong other than the card not showing the IP I have assigned it. > > The box is using 2 3Com 3c905C network cards. I have verified that both > cards work in other PCs. I am attempting to assign one card the IP > 192.168.0.1 and the other 192.168.0.2 (using /stand/sysinstall) in an > attempt to monitor traffic across my network. Any insight that can be > offered up would be of great assistance :-) You can't assign two addresses in the same subnet. If you insist on doing that, assign the second one as 192.168.0.2/32. (In sysinstall, specify the netmask as 255.255.255.255) But really, why do you think you need to do this? -- Barney Wolff http://www.databus.com/bwresume.pdf I'm available by contract or FT, in the NYC metro area or via the 'Net. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 17:58:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27DD16A4CF for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:58:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.covadmail.net (mx05.covadmail.net [63.65.120.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6BF2343FA3 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:58:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from strick@covad.net) Received: (covad.net 25318 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2003 01:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mist.nodomain) (67.101.100.205) by sun-qmail10 with SMTP; 19 Nov 2003 01:58:27 -0000 Received: from mist.nodomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mist.nodomain (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAJ1wOQV000728; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:58:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@mist.nodomain) Received: (from dan@localhost) by mist.nodomain (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id hAJ1wNOi000727; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:58:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:58:23 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Strick Message-Id: <200311190158.hAJ1wNOi000727@mist.nodomain> To: b_cassidy@bellsouth.net, judmarc@fastmail.fm cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: dan@mist.nodomain cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New parts for new PC (need help - little knowledge of hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:58:36 -0000 On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Bryan Cassidy wrote: >> > I suck when it comes to hardware. I know so little about hardware. My > dad said he is gonna get me about $400.00 worth of computer parts for > Christmas/Birthday sence they are so close so I can start building a new > custom PC. I have already picked out the case I want. I found a Antec > ... > sure I can get a case that's $80.00, a mother board around $100 or so, a > power supply, *maybe* a video card and a hard drive for around $400. > What else can you tell me to help out? I appreciate any responses I get. > He wants me to hurry up and tell him what I want so he can go on and > order it for me. >> On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, judmarc@fastmail.fm responded: >> > You can probably give yourself a bit of a crash course by looking at http://www.anandtech.com; and take a look through for your money. Don't forget memory, for which you may want to look at > high quality stuff, but they may be a bit over your budget. > Regarding motherboards and CPUs, AMDs are cheaper than Pentiums for > equivalent performance, but AMDs run hotter, meaning the CPU fan must move > more air, meaning more noise. >> AMD Athlon cpus seem to be more cost effective at the low end, but just below the high end the new Intel P4s may offer a bigger bang per buck. Tom's Hardware did a bunch of articles on this and on recent motherboards earlier this year. There is also a Tom's Hardware article on rolling your own PC from component parts. Tom's Hardware and Anand Tech are excellent sources of reviews of new hardware components. I used them extensively when recently building my new custom PC. Some of the components I chose were: approximate component price ($) ---------------------------------------------------- ----------- Lian-Li PC-60 aluminum case 105 ProSilence-420 (~420 watt) PS from Silent Maxx 100 Pentium-4 2.8 GHz cpu 275 Gigabyte GA-8KNXP motherboard 220 two Kingston 512MB DDR400 dimms (with parity/ECC) 230 ATi Radeon 9500 PRO video card 205 two Seagate 120GB serial ATA disk drives 250 Samsung combo 52x CD-writer / DVD-reader 70 Zalman CNPS700 AlCu cpu cooler 40 Enermax fan controller / temperature monitor / i/o panel 40 Microsoft Windows XP Professional 135 I am generally pleased with the result, but I did have (and still have) some serious problems, mainly with the motherboard. The Lian-Li case is solid and has lots of room inside without being too tall for the space in which it is installed. It has a motherboard mounting tray that slides out the back. This can be really convenient but given the complexity of cabling that connects the motherboard to the power supply, fans, peripheral devices and case connectors, you won't slide the mother board out very often. The power supply seems to be rather quiet and more than adequate for its load. I still have a lot of capacity for expansion: 5 empty 3.5" bays and 2 empty 5.25" bays. The 2.8 GHz cpu with dual channel DDR400 memory on the so called "800 MHz" front side bus) is rather fast, about 10 times as fast as my old machine. I have already become addicted to it and feel considerable impatience when I use my old machine. A 2.6 GHz or even 2.4 GHz cpu would probably run only imperceptibly slower and would have saved a little pocket change, but what the heck: "you only live once." I didn't really need a whole GB of main memory, but the 512 MB dimms were not terribly expensive and dual channel memory systems need dimms installed in pairs and there are memory configuration restrictions that would discourage buying small capacity dimms now and larger dimms later. So I splurged. My video card choice was a compromise. I wanted something new enough to have hardware support for recent DirectX features, old enough to be well supported by XFree86 and cheap enough to be justifiable. The Radeon 9500/9700 families of cards are the newest for which XFree86 claims substantial support and yet are long out of production and the ATi web site even categorizes the 9500 as "discontinued". The 9000/9500/9700 seem to have been replaced with the 9200/9600/9800. The need for reliable XFree86 support trumped other considerations because I spend virtually all of my time running XFree86 on FreeBSD and very little time running feature hungry whizbang graphics applications. Microsoft OS is almost an unavoidable occupational hazard. I pretty much have to have one because I have peripheral devices for which there are no FreeBSD drivers (a scanner and a label writer) and I like being able to launch a whizbang graphics application (i.e. game) on occasion. I first attempted to use Windows-98SE since I had no use for modern MS OS features, but vendor claims to the contrary notwithstanding the video and motherboard device drivers just didn't work reliably with the old MS OS. I wanted to get Win2K but a friend convinced me to buy WinXP Professional. He said it supported more devices and that the "Professional Edition" was much better than the "Home Edition". I wasn't too sure about that, but I decided that MS and the Windows marketplace manufacturers would drop support (such as it is) for Win2K before WinXP. The WinXP Pro list price is about $300 (a rip-off). The "street price" is about $200. The "upgrade" version is available for about $170, but installation can be a real mess. The "OEM" version, consisting basically of a CD-ROM and a software-license/product-key, is available under $140 but there is no Microsoft user's manual (nearly useless anyway) and you may have to buy it with some hardware. WPA (Windows Product Activation) is a monumental pain. My installation is tied up in knots because I won't activate it until I resolve my bootstrap disk problems (which might force me to change my main disk controller and disk drives, possibly triggering a reactivation). Some people say you only have to call an 800 number to arrange a reactivation. Most people say you have to call an expensive 900 number and that MS puts you on hold for a long time. I would prefer not to find out the hard way. My only unexpected disappointment was the Gigabyte motherboard. It was highly rated in a Tom's Hardware review. They did not mention that he optional 8KNXP secondary cpu voltage regulator would not fit if you also used the Zalman CNPS7000 cpu cooler (which they also praised in the same article). The workaround is to not install the secondary voltage regulator which the review article said was very nice to have but not necessary with current cpus. (Side issue: the Zalman CNPS7000 cpu cooler comes in two models, Aluminum/Copper and pure Copper. The Cu model cools a little better than the AlCu model but is much heavier than permitted by Intel cpu specifications.) I anticipated some difficulty getting FreeBSD to support all the nice motherboard devices, but I was prepared to do without the more exotic ones. It turns out that FreeBSD 4.9 supports all the essential devices. I did not expect massive BIOS brain damage. The BIOS passes a wrong disk number to the master bootstrap program. This can have some really nasty consequences and there is no complete workaround. The BIOS does not support booting through one of the primary motherboard disk controllers (the SATA controller in native mode). FreeBSD 5.1 sometimes has problems reading from the PS2 mouse port, allegedly caused by some BIOS ACPI confusion. Gigabyte technical support is almost totally unresponsive. If I could do it over again, I would very seriously consider alternative motherboard brands. One final comment: if you want to limit system noise, be careful of fans on motherboard devices. You can replace case fans or slow them down with various fan controllers but fans mounted on motherboards and controller cards are not easily managed. If you do reduce fan speeds, get something to monitor internal case temperatures. You don't want to deal with the consequnces of overheating. I don't know of any video cards for which decibel levels are specified. Disk drive and case fan manufacturers do typically specify noise levels. Modern medium speed ATA disk drives with "fluid dynamic bearings" may be very quiet. Slower cpu/memory/motherboard devices tend to consume less power, require less fan and are cheaper. You can't avoid tradeoffs. Dan Strick strick@covad.net From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 18:24:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213CE16A4CF for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:24:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from cydem.org (h24-66-230-151.ed.shawcable.net [24.66.230.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 293C143FAF for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:24:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org.ua) Received: from h24-66-229-2.ed.shawcable.net (h24-66-229-2.ed.shawcable.net [24.66.229.2]) by cydem.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4DA7383F4; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:24:31 -0700 (MST) From: To: strick@covad.net, b_cassidy@bellsouth.net, judmarc@fastmail.fm Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:24:30 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200311190158.hAJ1wNOi000727@mist.nodomain> In-Reply-To: <200311190158.hAJ1wNOi000727@mist.nodomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200311181924.30355.soralx@cydem.org.ua> cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New parts for new PC (need help - little knowledge of hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 02:24:36 -0000 > My only unexpected disappointment was the Gigabyte motherboard. It was > highly rated in a Tom's Hardware review. They did not mention that he > optional 8KNXP secondary cpu voltage regulator would not fit if you also > used the Zalman CNPS7000 cpu cooler (which they also praised in the same > article). The workaround is to not install the secondary voltage > regulator which the review article said was very nice to have but not > necessary with current cpus. (Side issue: the Zalman CNPS7000 cpu cooler > comes in two models, Aluminum/Copper and pure Copper. The Cu model cools > a little better than the AlCu model but is much heavier than permitted by > Intel cpu specifications.) > > I anticipated some difficulty getting FreeBSD to support all the nice > motherboard devices, but I was prepared to do without the more exotic > ones. It turns out that FreeBSD 4.9 supports all the essential devices. > I did not expect massive BIOS brain damage. The BIOS passes a wrong > disk number to the master bootstrap program. This can have some really > nasty consequences and there is no complete workaround. The BIOS does > not support booting through one of the primary motherboard disk > controllers (the SATA controller in native mode). FreeBSD 5.1 sometimes > has problems reading from the PS2 mouse port, allegedly caused by some > BIOS ACPI confusion. Gigabyte technical support is almost totally > unresponsive. If I could do it over again, I would very seriously > consider alternative motherboard brands. just a note: I know that many people write negatively about Gigabyte mainboards, and, therefore, people may think that they are not good, and not even consider Gig as an option. Maybe I'm lucky, but I personally never had any trouble with my GA-8IHXP, and I think that this one is no worse than most Asus motherboards. The board works very well: no problems with BIOS, on-board USB (all 10 ports), audio, network, ATA and APM work well with FreeBSD. The only thing I didn't test is RAID. The mobo is also very fast and stable. 18.11.2003; 19:10:53 [SorAlx] http://cydem.org.ua/ From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 19:24:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F4F516A4CE; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:24:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383E643F93; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:24:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from judmarc@fastmail.fm) X-Sasl-enc: FcSlxMzT83xrZaJwMN5Clw 1069212279 Received: from sparky (dialup-67.74.79.169.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net [67.74.79.169]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98E54324F7; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:24:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:24:42 -0500 From: Jud To: "Dan Strick" , b_cassidy@bellsouth.net References: <200311190158.hAJ1wNOi000727@mist.nodomain> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200311190158.hAJ1wNOi000727@mist.nodomain> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.30 (Win32, build 3354) Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New parts for new PC (need help - little knowledge of hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 03:24:44 -0000 On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:58:23 -0800 (PST), Dan Strick wrote: [snip] > My video card choice was a compromise. I wanted something new enough to > have hardware support for recent DirectX features, old enough to be well > supported by XFree86 and cheap enough to be justifiable. The Radeon > 9500/9700 families of cards are the newest for which XFree86 claims > substantial support and yet are long out of production and the ATi web > site even categorizes the 9500 as "discontinued". The 9000/9500/9700 > seem to have been replaced with the 9200/9600/9800. The need for > reliable > XFree86 support trumped other considerations because I spend virtually > all > of my time running XFree86 on FreeBSD and very little time running > feature hungry whizbang graphics applications. AFAIK XFree86 doesn't have 3D hardware acceleration support for the ATI Radeon 9K cards. I have a 9500 (modded to 9700 specs with Riva Tuner) myself and don't miss the 3D support, but that's because I play games only occasionally and use Windows for them. Jud From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 22:48:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3A616A4CE for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:48:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from e2kcn1.ad.uky.edu (e2kcn1.ad.uky.edu [128.163.2.89]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD8E43F85 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:48:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Jon.Reckner@uky.edu) Received: from e2kbe1.ad.uky.edu ([128.163.2.94]) by e2kcn1.ad.uky.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:48:35 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3AE69.2741FF83" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:48:34 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Dual Monitors on geforce cards with nvidia driver Thread-Index: AcOuaRaWSiScZFGnQPiaBTGjat0/lw== From: "Reckner, Jonathan G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2003 06:48:35.0505 (UTC) FILETIME=[278FF210:01C3AE69] Subject: Dual Monitors on geforce cards with nvidia driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 06:48:37 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3AE69.2741FF83 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am trying to setup a dual monitor setup with FreeBSD and I am running = into a huge problem, when I boot freebsd i can only find one or the = other nvidia card, and it happens to be only the one i have choosen in = the bios to be the default video card, the dual system works fine in = windows. I have a nvidia gefore 4 4200 and a nvidia geforce 2 MX400. 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[205.152.59.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B5E43F93 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 00:48:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from b_cassidy@bellsouth.net) Received: from bellsouth.net ([68.214.83.181]) by imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.netSMTP <20031119084832.IEWH3345.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@bellsouth.net> for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 03:48:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 03:53:15 -0600 From: Bryan Cassidy To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20031119035315.61bbe274.b_cassidy@bellsouth.net> In-Reply-To: <200311190158.hAJ1wNOi000727@mist.nodomain> References: <200311190158.hAJ1wNOi000727@mist.nodomain> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.7 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New parts for new PC (need help - little knowledge of hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:48:34 -0000 X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:48:34 -0000 I've put some parts together. This is what I've come up with. Please tell me any recommendations on changes or anything with this system. It will run on FreeBSD. Any comments what so ever is appreciated. Please try to explain in detail when you go to tell me about changing something or whatever so I can understand it and then I can learn it and remember. Motherboard: Tyan Thunder K7X-S2468 Processors: 2 AMD Athlon MP 2400 2.0GHz Processor CPU System Memory: 2 Crucial PC2100 512MB Question about memory: From the Specs on the Tyan Thunder K7X-S2468 It says Supports ECC (72-bit) memory modules The Specs on the Memory from newegg.com says Error Checking: Non-ECC Can I use this memory with this motherbaord? XFX Geforce FX 5200 128MB DDR Model PVT34KNA With TV-out&DVI Will this vid card work with my motherboard? Is it supported under FreeBSD? FreeBSD 4.8,4.9,5.1? I get real confused when checking to see if something is supported under the hardware section. I find out the chipset and I go looking through every single line for that chipset. Still confused on how to really use the Hardware section successfully. Hard drive: SEAGATE SCSI 36.0GB 10000RPM, MODEL# ST336607LW -X10 Once again. Will this harddrive work under FreeBSD and with my motherboard? Sound Card CREATIVE LABS AUDIGY 2 ZS SOUND BLASTER 7.1, 6.1, 5.1, PCI SOUND CARD Power Supply >From PC Power and Cooling (pcpowercooling.com) Turbo-Cool 510 ATX DVD-Rom/CD-Rom PIONEER DVR-106BK DVD-Recordable (Black Bezel) DVD-R DVD-RW DVD+R DVD+RW Put all this in a Antec PLUS1080AMG Chassis On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:58:23 -0800 (PST) Dan Strick wrote: > On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Bryan Cassidy wrote: > >> > > I suck when it comes to hardware. I know so little about hardware. > > My dad said he is gonna get me about $400.00 worth of computer parts > > for Christmas/Birthday sence they are so close so I can start > > building a new custom PC. I have already picked out the case I > > want. I found a Antec... > > sure I can get a case that's $80.00, a mother board around $100 or > > so, a power supply, *maybe* a video card and a hard drive for around > > $400. What else can you tell me to help out? I appreciate any > > responses I get. He wants me to hurry up and tell him what I want so > > he can go on and order it for me. > >> > > On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, judmarc@fastmail.fm responded: > >> > > You can probably give yourself a bit of a crash course by looking at > > > http://www.tomshardware.com, then take a look through > http://www.newegg.com; to see what you can get for your money. > > Don't forget memory, for which you may want to look at > http://www.crucial.com; as well as NewEgg. PC Power and Cooling has > > high quality stuff, but they may be a bit over your budget. > > > Regarding motherboards and CPUs, AMDs are cheaper than Pentiums for > > equivalent performance, but AMDs run hotter, meaning the CPU fan > > must move more air, meaning more noise. > >> > > AMD Athlon cpus seem to be more cost effective at the low end, but > just below the high end the new Intel P4s may offer a bigger bang per > buck. Tom's Hardware did a bunch of articles on this and on recent > motherboards earlier this year. There is also a Tom's Hardware > article on rolling your own PC from component parts. > > Tom's Hardware and Anand Tech are excellent sources of reviews of new > hardware components. I used them extensively when recently building > my new custom PC. Some of the components I chose were: > approximate > component price ($) > ---------------------------------------------------- ----------- > Lian-Li PC-60 aluminum case 105 > ProSilence-420 (~420 watt) PS from Silent Maxx 100 > Pentium-4 2.8 GHz cpu 275 > Gigabyte GA-8KNXP motherboard 220 > two Kingston 512MB DDR400 dimms (with parity/ECC) 230 > ATi Radeon 9500 PRO video card 205 > two Seagate 120GB serial ATA disk drives 250 > Samsung combo 52x CD-writer / DVD-reader 70 > Zalman CNPS700 AlCu cpu cooler 40 > Enermax fan controller / temperature monitor / i/o panel 40 > Microsoft Windows XP Professional 135 > > I am generally pleased with the result, but I did have (and still > have) some serious problems, mainly with the motherboard. > > The Lian-Li case is solid and has lots of room inside without being > too tall for the space in which it is installed. It has a motherboard > mounting tray that slides out the back. This can be really convenient > but given the complexity of cabling that connects the motherboard to > the power supply, fans, peripheral devices and case connectors, you > won't slide the mother board out very often. The power supply seems > to be rather quiet and more than adequate for its load. I still have > a lot of capacity for expansion: 5 empty 3.5" bays and 2 empty 5.25" > bays. > > The 2.8 GHz cpu with dual channel DDR400 memory on the so called "800 > MHz" front side bus) is rather fast, about 10 times as fast as my old > machine. I have already become addicted to it and feel considerable > impatience when I use my old machine. A 2.6 GHz or even 2.4 GHz cpu > would probably run only imperceptibly slower and would have saved a > little pocket change, but what the heck: "you only live once." I > didn't really need a whole GB of main memory, but the 512 MB dimms > were not terribly expensive and dual channel memory systems need dimms > installed in pairs and there are memory configuration restrictions > that would discourage buying small capacity dimms now and larger dimms > later. So I splurged. > > My video card choice was a compromise. I wanted something new enough > to have hardware support for recent DirectX features, old enough to be > well supported by XFree86 and cheap enough to be justifiable. The > Radeon 9500/9700 families of cards are the newest for which XFree86 > claims substantial support and yet are long out of production and the > ATi web site even categorizes the 9500 as "discontinued". The > 9000/9500/9700 seem to have been replaced with the 9200/9600/9800. > The need for reliable XFree86 support trumped other considerations > because I spend virtually all of my time running XFree86 on FreeBSD > and very little time running feature hungry whizbang graphics > applications. > > Microsoft OS is almost an unavoidable occupational hazard. I pretty > much have to have one because I have peripheral devices for which > there are no FreeBSD drivers (a scanner and a label writer) and I like > being able to launch a whizbang graphics application (i.e. game) on > occasion. I first attempted to use Windows-98SE since I had no use > for modern MS OS features, but vendor claims to the contrary > notwithstanding the video and motherboard device drivers just didn't > work reliably with the old MS OS. I wanted to get Win2K but a friend > convinced me to buy WinXP Professional. He said it supported more > devices and that the "Professional Edition" was much better than the > "Home Edition". I wasn't too sure about that, but I decided that MS > and the Windows marketplace manufacturers would drop support (such as > it is) for Win2K before WinXP. The WinXP Pro list price is about $300 > (a rip-off). The "street price" is about $200. The"upgrade" version > is available for about $170, but installation can be a real mess. The > "OEM" version, consisting basically of a CD-ROM and a > software-license/product-key, is available under $140 but there is no > Microsoft user's manual (nearly useless anyway) and you may have to > buy it with some hardware. WPA (Windows Product Activation) is a > monumental pain. My installation is tied up in knots because I won't > activate it until I resolve my bootstrap disk problems (which might > force me to change my main disk controller and disk drives, possibly > triggering a reactivation). Some people say you only have to call an > 800 number to arrange a reactivation. Most people say you have to > call an expensive 900 number and that MS puts you on hold for a long > time. I would prefer not to find out the hard way. > > My only unexpected disappointment was the Gigabyte motherboard. It > was highly rated in a Tom's Hardware review. They did not mention > that he optional 8KNXP secondary cpu voltage regulator would not fit > if you also used the Zalman CNPS7000 cpu cooler (which they also > praised in the same article). The workaround is to not install the > secondary voltage regulator which the review article said was very > nice to have but not necessary with current cpus. (Side issue: the > Zalman CNPS7000 cpu cooler comes in two models, Aluminum/Copper and > pure Copper. The Cu model cools a little better than the AlCu model > but is much heavier than permitted by Intel cpu specifications.) > > I anticipated some difficulty getting FreeBSD to support all the nice > motherboard devices, but I was prepared to do without the more exotic > ones. It turns out that FreeBSD 4.9 supports all the essential > devices. I did not expect massive BIOS brain damage. The BIOS passes > a wrong disk number to the master bootstrap program. This can have > some really nasty consequences and there is no complete workaround. > The BIOS does not support booting through one of the primary > motherboard disk controllers (the SATA controller in native mode). > FreeBSD 5.1 sometimes has problems reading from the PS2 mouse port, > allegedly caused by some BIOS ACPI confusion. Gigabyte technical > support is almost totally unresponsive. If I could do it over again, > I would very seriously consider alternative motherboard brands. > > One final comment: if you want to limit system noise, be careful of > fans on motherboard devices. You can replace case fans or slow them > down with various fan controllers but fans mounted on motherboards and > controller cards are not easily managed. If you do reduce fan speeds, > get something to monitor internal case temperatures. You don't want > to deal with the consequnces of overheating. I don't know of any > video cards for which decibel levels are specified. Disk drive and > case fan manufacturers do typically specify noise levels. Modern > medium speed ATA disk drives with"fluid dynamic bearings" may be very > quiet. Slower cpu/memory/motherboard devices tend to consume less > power, require less fan and are cheaper. You can't avoid tradeoffs. > > Dan Strick > strick@covad.net > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 00:48:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E5CA16A4CE for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 00:48:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9529743F93 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 00:48:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from b_cassidy@bellsouth.net) Received: from bellsouth.net ([68.214.83.181]) by imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.netSMTP <20031119084850.IEXB3345.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@bellsouth.net> for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 03:48:50 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 03:53:33 -0600 From: Bryan Cassidy To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20031119035333.505cbb9c.b_cassidy@bellsouth.net> In-Reply-To: <200311190158.hAJ1wNOi000727@mist.nodomain> References: <200311190158.hAJ1wNOi000727@mist.nodomain> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.7 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New parts for new PC (need help - little knowledge of hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:48:53 -0000 I've put some parts together. This is what I've come up with. Please tell me any recommendations on changes or anything with this system. It will run on FreeBSD. Any comments what so ever is appreciated. Please try to explain in detail when you go to tell me about changing something or whatever so I can understand it and then I can learn it and remember. Motherboard: Tyan Thunder K7X-S2468 Processors: 2 AMD Athlon MP 2400 2.0GHz Processor CPU System Memory: 2 Crucial PC2100 512MB Question about memory: From the Specs on the Tyan Thunder K7X-S2468 It says Supports ECC (72-bit) memory modules The Specs on the Memory from newegg.com says Error Checking: Non-ECC Can I use this memory with this motherbaord? XFX Geforce FX 5200 128MB DDR Model PVT34KNA With TV-out&DVI Will this vid card work with my motherboard? Is it supported under FreeBSD? FreeBSD 4.8,4.9,5.1? I get real confused when checking to see if something is supported under the hardware section. I find out the chipset and I go looking through every single line for that chipset. Still confused on how to really use the Hardware section successfully. Hard drive: SEAGATE SCSI 36.0GB 10000RPM, MODEL# ST336607LW -X10 Once again. Will this harddrive work under FreeBSD and with my motherboard? Sound Card CREATIVE LABS AUDIGY 2 ZS SOUND BLASTER 7.1, 6.1, 5.1, PCI SOUND CARD Power Supply >From PC Power and Cooling (pcpowercooling.com) Turbo-Cool 510 ATX DVD-Rom/CD-Rom PIONEER DVR-106BK DVD-Recordable (Black Bezel) DVD-R DVD-RW DVD+R DVD+RW Put all this in a Antec PLUS1080AMG Chassis On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:58:23 -0800 (PST) Dan Strick wrote: > On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Bryan Cassidy wrote: > >> > > I suck when it comes to hardware. I know so little about hardware. > > My dad said he is gonna get me about $400.00 worth of computer parts > > for Christmas/Birthday sence they are so close so I can start > > building a new custom PC. I have already picked out the case I > > want. I found a Antec... > > sure I can get a case that's $80.00, a mother board around $100 or > > so, a power supply, *maybe* a video card and a hard drive for around > > $400. What else can you tell me to help out? I appreciate any > > responses I get. He wants me to hurry up and tell him what I want so > > he can go on and order it for me. > >> > > On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, judmarc@fastmail.fm responded: > >> > > You can probably give yourself a bit of a crash course by looking at > > > http://www.tomshardware.com, then take a look through > http://www.newegg.com; to see what you can get for your money. > > Don't forget memory, for which you may want to look at > http://www.crucial.com; as well as NewEgg. PC Power and Cooling has > > high quality stuff, but they may be a bit over your budget. > > > Regarding motherboards and CPUs, AMDs are cheaper than Pentiums for > > equivalent performance, but AMDs run hotter, meaning the CPU fan > > must move more air, meaning more noise. > >> > > AMD Athlon cpus seem to be more cost effective at the low end, but > just below the high end the new Intel P4s may offer a bigger bang per > buck. Tom's Hardware did a bunch of articles on this and on recent > motherboards earlier this year. There is also a Tom's Hardware > article on rolling your own PC from component parts. > > Tom's Hardware and Anand Tech are excellent sources of reviews of new > hardware components. I used them extensively when recently building > my new custom PC. Some of the components I chose were: > approximate > component price ($) > ---------------------------------------------------- ----------- > Lian-Li PC-60 aluminum case 105 > ProSilence-420 (~420 watt) PS from Silent Maxx 100 > Pentium-4 2.8 GHz cpu 275 > Gigabyte GA-8KNXP motherboard 220 > two Kingston 512MB DDR400 dimms (with parity/ECC) 230 > ATi Radeon 9500 PRO video card 205 > two Seagate 120GB serial ATA disk drives 250 > Samsung combo 52x CD-writer / DVD-reader 70 > Zalman CNPS700 AlCu cpu cooler 40 > Enermax fan controller / temperature monitor / i/o panel 40 > Microsoft Windows XP Professional 135 > > I am generally pleased with the result, but I did have (and still > have) some serious problems, mainly with the motherboard. > > The Lian-Li case is solid and has lots of room inside without being > too tall for the space in which it is installed. It has a motherboard > mounting tray that slides out the back. This can be really convenient > but given the complexity of cabling that connects the motherboard to > the power supply, fans, peripheral devices and case connectors, you > won't slide the mother board out very often. The power supply seems > to be rather quiet and more than adequate for its load. I still have > a lot of capacity for expansion: 5 empty 3.5" bays and 2 empty 5.25" > bays. > > The 2.8 GHz cpu with dual channel DDR400 memory on the so called "800 > MHz" front side bus) is rather fast, about 10 times as fast as my old > machine. I have already become addicted to it and feel considerable > impatience when I use my old machine. A 2.6 GHz or even 2.4 GHz cpu > would probably run only imperceptibly slower and would have saved a > little pocket change, but what the heck: "you only live once." I > didn't really need a whole GB of main memory, but the 512 MB dimms > were not terribly expensive and dual channel memory systems need dimms > installed in pairs and there are memory configuration restrictions > that would discourage buying small capacity dimms now and larger dimms > later. So I splurged. > > My video card choice was a compromise. I wanted something new enough > to have hardware support for recent DirectX features, old enough to be > well supported by XFree86 and cheap enough to be justifiable. The > Radeon 9500/9700 families of cards are the newest for which XFree86 > claims substantial support and yet are long out of production and the > ATi web site even categorizes the 9500 as "discontinued". The > 9000/9500/9700 seem to have been replaced with the 9200/9600/9800. > The need for reliable XFree86 support trumped other considerations > because I spend virtually all of my time running XFree86 on FreeBSD > and very little time running feature hungry whizbang graphics > applications. > > Microsoft OS is almost an unavoidable occupational hazard. I pretty > much have to have one because I have peripheral devices for which > there are no FreeBSD drivers (a scanner and a label writer) and I like > being able to launch a whizbang graphics application (i.e. game) on > occasion. I first attempted to use Windows-98SE since I had no use > for modern MS OS features, but vendor claims to the contrary > notwithstanding the video and motherboard device drivers just didn't > work reliably with the old MS OS. I wanted to get Win2K but a friend > convinced me to buy WinXP Professional. He said it supported more > devices and that the "Professional Edition" was much better than the > "Home Edition". I wasn't too sure about that, but I decided that MS > and the Windows marketplace manufacturers would drop support (such as > it is) for Win2K before WinXP. The WinXP Pro list price is about $300 > (a rip-off). The "street price" is about $200. The"upgrade" version > is available for about $170, but installation can be a real mess. The > "OEM" version, consisting basically of a CD-ROM and a > software-license/product-key, is available under $140 but there is no > Microsoft user's manual (nearly useless anyway) and you may have to > buy it with some hardware. WPA (Windows Product Activation) is a > monumental pain. My installation is tied up in knots because I won't > activate it until I resolve my bootstrap disk problems (which might > force me to change my main disk controller and disk drives, possibly > triggering a reactivation). Some people say you only have to call an > 800 number to arrange a reactivation. Most people say you have to > call an expensive 900 number and that MS puts you on hold for a long > time. I would prefer not to find out the hard way. > > My only unexpected disappointment was the Gigabyte motherboard. It > was highly rated in a Tom's Hardware review. They did not mention > that he optional 8KNXP secondary cpu voltage regulator would not fit > if you also used the Zalman CNPS7000 cpu cooler (which they also > praised in the same article). The workaround is to not install the > secondary voltage regulator which the review article said was very > nice to have but not necessary with current cpus. (Side issue: the > Zalman CNPS7000 cpu cooler comes in two models, Aluminum/Copper and > pure Copper. The Cu model cools a little better than the AlCu model > but is much heavier than permitted by Intel cpu specifications.) > > I anticipated some difficulty getting FreeBSD to support all the nice > motherboard devices, but I was prepared to do without the more exotic > ones. It turns out that FreeBSD 4.9 supports all the essential > devices. I did not expect massive BIOS brain damage. The BIOS passes > a wrong disk number to the master bootstrap program. This can have > some really nasty consequences and there is no complete workaround. > The BIOS does not support booting through one of the primary > motherboard disk controllers (the SATA controller in native mode). > FreeBSD 5.1 sometimes has problems reading from the PS2 mouse port, > allegedly caused by some BIOS ACPI confusion. Gigabyte technical > support is almost totally unresponsive. If I could do it over again, > I would very seriously consider alternative motherboard brands. > > One final comment: if you want to limit system noise, be careful of > fans on motherboard devices. You can replace case fans or slow them > down with various fan controllers but fans mounted on motherboards and > controller cards are not easily managed. If you do reduce fan speeds, > get something to monitor internal case temperatures. You don't want > to deal with the consequnces of overheating. I don't know of any > video cards for which decibel levels are specified. Disk drive and > case fan manufacturers do typically specify noise levels. Modern > medium speed ATA disk drives with"fluid dynamic bearings" may be very > quiet. Slower cpu/memory/motherboard devices tend to consume less > power, require less fan and are cheaper. You can't avoid tradeoffs. > > Dan Strick > strick@covad.net > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 12:13:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0AB16A4CE for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:13:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from adsl-63-198-35-122.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (adsl-63-198-35-122.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.35.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D7F343FCB for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:13:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j_guojun@lbl.gov) Received: from lbl.gov (localhost.pacbell.net [127.0.0.1]) ESMTP id hAJKBd8l000566; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:11:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j_guojun@lbl.gov) Sender: jin@adsl-63-198-35-122.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net Message-ID: <3FBBCE7B.7B5859D4@lbl.gov> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:11:39 -0800 From: "Jin Guojun [NCS]" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: zh, zh-CN, en-US, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Cassidy References: <200311190158.hAJ1wNOi000727@mist.nodomain> <20031119035333.505cbb9c.b_cassidy@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New parts for new PC (need help - little knowledge of hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:13:52 -0000 Bryan Cassidy wrote: > I've put some parts together. This is what I've come up with. Please > tell me any recommendations on changes or anything with this system. It > will run on FreeBSD. Any comments what so ever is appreciated. Please > try to explain in detail when you go to tell me about changing something > or whatever so I can understand it and then I can learn it and remember. > > Motherboard: > Tyan Thunder K7X-S2468 > > Processors: > 2 AMD Athlon MP 2400 2.0GHz Processor CPU > > System Memory: > 2 Crucial PC2100 512MB > Question about memory: From the Specs on the Tyan Thunder K7X-S2468 It says > Supports ECC (72-bit) memory modules > The Specs on the Memory from newegg.com says > Error Checking: Non-ECC > > Can I use this memory with this motherbaord? You must make sure that your memory is registered (buffered) module. Usually, registered memory module is ECC-based. If I remember correctly, non ECC should work on this type of motherboard, but register is required. -Jin From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 13:02:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35AF16A4CF for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:02:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from polaris.umdnj.edu (polarisa.UMDNJ.EDU [130.219.34.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CABDB43FE3 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:02:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mossmr@umdnj.edu) Received: from conversion-daemon.Polaris.umdnj.edu by Polaris.umdnj.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) id <0HOM00N01A6Z2K@Polaris.umdnj.edu> for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:02:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from rwja.umdnj.edu (rwja.umdnj.edu [130.219.4.100]) by Polaris.umdnj.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HOM00JZPAGEIC@Polaris.umdnj.edu> for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:02:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [130.219.197.190] ([130.219.197.190])for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:02:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:02:11 -0500 From: Michael Moss To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Server Hardware Recommendations X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:02:31 -0000 Hello All, I have perused the archives extensively, but am still looking for a good answer to this: Does anybody have any server hardware recommendations considering the following? 1. Would like to run BSD 4.9 Release 2. Minimal Tweaking (do not want to tweak drivers etc) 3. RAID 2 or 5, sought in this order (greatest to least) SATA, SCSI, IDE 4. Dual processor a plus but not necessary Im mostly concerned with Motherboard recommendations, preferably with built in ethernet and raid which works "out of the box". What are some setups people out there have? This is for a PHP/MySQL intensive website. Thank you for your help. -M From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 13:19:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9F416A4CF for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:19:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlasta.net (wow.atlasta.net [12.129.13.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B74C443FEA for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:19:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drais@wow.atlasta.net) Received: (qmail 24956 invoked by uid 1068); 19 Nov 2003 21:19:14 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 19 Nov 2003 21:19:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:19:14 -0800 (PST) From: David Raistrick To: Michael Moss In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Server Hardware Recommendations X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:19:17 -0000 On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, Michael Moss wrote: > 1. Would like to run BSD 4.9 Release > 2. Minimal Tweaking (do not want to tweak drivers etc) > 3. RAID 2 or 5, sought in this order (greatest to least) SATA, SCSI, > IDE > 4. Dual processor a plus but not necessary After a bum-motherboard issue, and some patches that /are/ now in 4.9-R, my SuperMicro 6023P-8R server runs like a champ. I haven't used the zero-slot raid controller, but installed an Adaptec 2200s instead. http://www.supermicro.com/PRODUCT/SUPERServer/SuperServer6023P-8R.htm Dual Xeon processors, SCA disks, Ultra320, RAID, and no tweaking outside of enabling SMP. Everything else works with a GENERIC kernel. I've now got 8 SM 5013G servers on the way, but none of'm will be using any RAID, and only 3 of'm will run FreeBSD. (ick. windows. sigh.) I HAVE encountered a problem with the 2200s when I tried to move my disk array from the 2100s. I haven't had time to readdress the issue, or contact Adaptec support yet. In a nutshell: When the disks are powered up, I get: Adaptec SCSI RAID BIOS V4.0-0 [Build 6003] (c) 1998-2002 Adaptec, Inc. All Rights Reserved. <<< Press for Adaptec RAID Configuration Utility! >>> Booting the Controller Kernel...... Fatal Error: Controller monitor failedController not started << Press any key to continue ... >> With a /very/ long wait while it tries to boot the kernel. When the disks are powered down or unpluged, it boots find and quickly. --- david raistrick drais@atlasta.net http://www.expita.com/nomime.html From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 14:54:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9B516A4CE for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:54:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-out7.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out7.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B1A43FE3 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:54:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darrell@dunmanifestin.co.uk) Received: from 192.168.2.12 ([82.38.192.148]) by smtp-out7.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:54:14 +0000 From: Darrell Blake To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:54:08 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200311192254.08939.darrell@dunmanifestin.co.uk> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2003 22:54:14.0800 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E12C100:01C3AEF0] Subject: Radeon 9600 Problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:54:12 -0000 Hi, I'm hoping someone on here can help me with this. I've been trying to get my ATI Radeon 9600 card working for ages. At first I was trying to get it working in Linux and, initially, I thought it was a problem with the kernel so I thought I'd try FreeBSD instead and I've grown to really like it. Anyway, I'm not interested in getting it to work in Linux anymore because I intend to carry on using FreeBSD. It seems really weird. I've been using Linux for five years and I think I like the idea of not being comfortable with an OS for a change =o) I get the same error message when I try to run X in Linux and FreeBSD. I've configured the kernel to use the "radeon" driver but when I run "startx" I get an error. /var/log/XFree86.0.log shows this... (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found (EE) No devices detected. Fatal server error: no screens found I can run X fine if I change the driver to "vesa" but I don't want to run in vesa mode. I want to have accelerated graphics =o) Please help, I really don't want to have to use Windows every time I want to see some accelerated graphics. Cheers, Darrell From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 19 15:05:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3403A16A4CE for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:05:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.johnrshannon.com (mail.johnrshannon.com [69.20.155.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A908443FCB for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:05:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@johnrshannon.com) Received: by mail.johnrshannon.com (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 95477124B4; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:05:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from 192-168-1-22.mobile.johnrshannon.com (192-168-1-22.mobile.johnrshannon.com [192.168.1.22]) by mail.johnrshannon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC8A124A8; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:05:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by 192-168-1-22.mobile.johnrshannon.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AD8D1187; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:05:03 -0700 (MST) From: "John R. Shannon" Organization: johnrshannon.com To: Darrell Blake , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:04:52 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <200311192254.08939.darrell@dunmanifestin.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200311192254.08939.darrell@dunmanifestin.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: clearsigned data Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200311191605.03453.john@johnrshannon.com> Subject: Re: Radeon 9600 Problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: john@johnrshannon.com List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:05:16 -0000 =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) Your card supports a second monitor. You can configure second device and=20 monitor sections for it; you don't have to if you're using a single monitor. > no screens found You're probably specifying a mode inconsistent with your devices capabiliti= es.=20 The probe output shows what is supported. P.S.: I'm using a Radeon 9600. If you want, I can send you my XF86Config fi= le=20 for a model. On Wednesday 19 November 2003 03:54 pm, Darrell Blake wrote: > Hi, > > I'm hoping someone on here can help me with this. I've been trying to get > my ATI Radeon 9600 card working for ages. At first I was trying to get it > working in Linux and, initially, I thought it was a problem with the kern= el > so I thought I'd try FreeBSD instead and I've grown to really like it. > Anyway, I'm not interested in getting it to work in Linux anymore because= I > intend to carry on using FreeBSD. It seems really weird. I've been using > Linux for five years and I think I like the idea of not being comfortable > with an OS for a change =3Do) > > I get the same error message when I try to run X in Linux and FreeBSD. I'= ve > configured the kernel to use the "radeon" driver but when I run "startx" I > get an error. /var/log/XFree86.0.log shows this... > > (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 > (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device > (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) > found (EE) No devices detected. > > Fatal server error: > no screens found > > I can run X fine if I change the driver to "vesa" but I don't want to run > in vesa mode. I want to have accelerated graphics =3Do) Please help, I re= ally > don't want to have to use Windows every time I want to see some accelerat= ed > graphics. > > Cheers, > > Darrell > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" =2D --=20 John R. Shannon john@johnrshannon.com =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (NetBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAj+79x0ACgkQOKbCxya4HYuimwCeIzMe0KfHSGbp8KwOpERjiCiN DB4AoLaPnj10oZgUTiMwi7/9iM89eywD =3Dd+yR =2D----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 01:16:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D443016A4CE for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:16:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4FEA43FD7 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:16:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id C44315309; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:16:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id C6F655308; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:16:29 +0100 (CET) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id A52CF33C7C; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:16:29 +0100 (CET) To: "Tomas Nyman" References: <002201c3a225$c46d8f70$0100a8c0@elite> From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:16:29 +0100 In-Reply-To: <002201c3a225$c46d8f70$0100a8c0@elite> (Tomas Nyman's message of "Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:15:58 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: ss X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK autolearn=no version=2.60 cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UDMA ICRC Error X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:16:39 -0000 "Tomas Nyman" writes: > ad12: UDMA ICRC error reading fsbn 0 (ad12 bn 0; cn 0 tn 0 sn 0) retrying > ad12: UDMA ICRC error reading fsbn 0 (ad12 bn 0; cn 0 tn 0 sn 0) retrying > ad12: UDMA ICRC error reading fsbn 0 (ad12 bn 0; cn 0 tn 0 sn 0) retrying > ad12: UDMA ICRC error reading fsbn 0 (ad12 bn 0; cn 0 tn 0 sn 0) falling = back to PIO mode This usually indicates a defective or improperly seated cable. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 01:24:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6FD016A4CE for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:24:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C117643FD7 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:24:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id A11505309; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:24:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 425695308; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:24:33 +0100 (CET) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id CAFD133C7C; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:24:32 +0100 (CET) To: Bryan Cassidy References: <200311190158.hAJ1wNOi000727@mist.nodomain> <20031119035315.61bbe274.b_cassidy@bellsouth.net> From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:24:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20031119035315.61bbe274.b_cassidy@bellsouth.net> (Bryan Cassidy's message of "Wed, 19 Nov 2003 03:53:15 -0600") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: ss X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK autolearn=no version=2.60 cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New parts for new PC (need help - little knowledge of hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:24:44 -0000 Bryan Cassidy writes: > Hard drive: > SEAGATE SCSI 36.0GB 10000RPM, MODEL# ST336607LW -X10 Don't bother with SCSI. It's definitely faster than IDE, but it's not worth the price for a desktop system. You'll probably be a lot happier running a RAID0 over two 120GB IDE drives (provided your motherboard has a RAID BIOS, or you buy a dual-channel PCI RAID adapter such as the Promise TX2000) DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 01:27:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F6616A4CF for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:27:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from lupinella.troll.no (lupinella.troll.no [80.232.37.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 626F743FCB for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:27:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ebakke@trolltech.com) Received: from steinbit.troll.no ([80.232.37.113]:6848 "EHLO steinbit.troll.no" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by trolltech.com with ESMTP id ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:26:54 +0100 From: "Erik H. Bakke" To: Darrell Blake , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:27:03 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <200311192254.08939.darrell@dunmanifestin.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200311192254.08939.darrell@dunmanifestin.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200311201027.03449.ebakke@trolltech.com> Subject: Re: Radeon 9600 Problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:27:14 -0000 On Wednesday 19 November 2003 23:54, Darrell Blake wrote: > I get the same error message when I try to run X in Linux and FreeBSD. I've > configured the kernel to use the "radeon" driver but when I run "startx" I > get an error. /var/log/XFree86.0.log shows this... > > (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 > (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device > (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) > found (EE) No devices detected. > > Fatal server error: > no screens found > > I can run X fine if I change the driver to "vesa" but I don't want to run > in vesa mode. I want to have accelerated graphics =o) Please help, I really > don't want to have to use Windows every time I want to see some accelerated > graphics. > Just the same as I got when I was running XFree86 from ports. The radeon driver in the current ports version does not recognize the Radeon 9600 chips. They are supported in the latest development snapshots, though, so if you try to compile and install one of them it should work with the radeon driver. That's what I did to get my card up and running properly under X. Hope this helps, best regards. -- Erik H. Bakke From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 01:28:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4356C16A4CF for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:28:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7BD43FDD for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:28:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 27EE35309; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:28:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id A3DDC5308; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:28:28 +0100 (CET) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 3F88033C7C; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:28:28 +0100 (CET) To: valiantsoul@earthlink.net References: <410-22003110931318375@earthlink.net> From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:28:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: <410-22003110931318375@earthlink.net> (Craig StJean's message of "Sat, 8 Nov 2003 22:13:18 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: ss X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK autolearn=no version=2.60 cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ATI Radeon 9800 Pro X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:28:39 -0000 "Craig StJean" writes: > I know that hardware acceleration for the Radeon 9800 Pro is > unsupported (at least officially). What do I need to get it to work? What makes you think there is a secret trick to make it work? Unless you have chip docs and experience with XFree86 internals, you'll just have to wait for it to be supported. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 01:30:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F4116A4CE for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:30:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2961743FD7 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:30:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 62BA75309; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:30:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 984185308; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:30:09 +0100 (CET) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 63B5F33C7C; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:30:09 +0100 (CET) To: Darrell Blake References: <200311192254.08939.darrell@dunmanifestin.co.uk> From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:30:09 +0100 In-Reply-To: <200311192254.08939.darrell@dunmanifestin.co.uk> (Darrell Blake's message of "Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:54:08 +0000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: ss X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK autolearn=no version=2.60 cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Radeon 9600 Problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:30:18 -0000 Darrell Blake writes: > I'm hoping someone on here can help me with this. I've been trying > to get my ATI Radeon 9600 card working for ages. This may sound stupid, but have you tried "X -configure"? DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 03:22:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6607216A4CE for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 03:22:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7609043FB1 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 03:22:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from b_cassidy@bellsouth.net) Received: from bellsouth.net ([68.214.80.19]) by imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.netSMTP <20031120112208.DNHT14203.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@bellsouth.net> for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 06:22:08 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 06:26:55 -0600 From: Bryan Cassidy To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20031120062655.060c4d7b.b_cassidy@bellsouth.net> In-Reply-To: References: <200311190158.hAJ1wNOi000727@mist.nodomain> <20031119035315.61bbe274.b_cassidy@bellsouth.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.7 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: New parts for new PC (need help - little knowledge of hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:22:13 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've got EVERYTHING picked out BUT the harddrive and controller card for the hard drive. Do you have any recommendations (seagate model #????) on the hard drive and/or controller card for a IDE HD? I'm kinda confused. I see people talking about RAID but not really sure what it is and what it does? Maybe you could explain a little to me? On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:24:32 +0100 des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav) wrote: > Bryan Cassidy writes: > > Hard drive: > > SEAGATE SCSI 36.0GB 10000RPM, MODEL# ST336607LW -X10 >=20 > Don't bother with SCSI. It's definitely faster than IDE, but it's not > worth the price for a desktop system. You'll probably be a lot > happier running a RAID0 over two 120GB IDE drives (provided your > motherboard has a RAID BIOS, or you buy a dual-channel PCI RAID > adapter such as the Promise TX2000) >=20 > DES > --=20 > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/vLMPjnOL7dYm/EQRApPIAKDuo08pkX7HPALsS6Pt7eYnEq2B8gCg7nHS xFAU1quhwz1SpSAWO7cN9As=3D =3Djnnu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 03:26:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D32CB16A4F9 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 03:26:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from supermarine.crossflight.co.uk (supermarine.crossflight.co.uk [195.172.72.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8139543FE3 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 03:26:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from guy@crossflight.co.uk) Received: from mailscan1.crossflight.co.uk (mailscan1.crossflight.co.uk [195.172.72.202])hAKBQDjp002356 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:26:13 GMT Received: from crossflight.co.uk (unverified) by mailscan1.crossflight.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.1) with ESMTP id ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:26:13 +0000 Message-ID: <3FBCA4D2.60204@crossflight.co.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:26:10 +0000 From: Guy Dawson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-gb, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Server Hardware Recommendations X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:26:18 -0000 David Raistrick wrote: > After a bum-motherboard issue, and some patches that /are/ now in 4.9-R, > my SuperMicro 6023P-8R server runs like a champ. I haven't used the > zero-slot raid controller, but installed an Adaptec 2200s instead. > > http://www.supermicro.com/PRODUCT/SUPERServer/SuperServer6023P-8R.htm We had 5.1 running on one of these very happily. I used 5.1 to soak test it (and check it installed) before installing Netware. The box was bought as a Systemax PC but it's really the same supermicro box... Guy -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Guy Dawson I.T. Manager Crossflight Ltd guy@crossflight.co.uk 07973 797819 01753 776104 ********************************************************************** This email contains the views and opinions of a Crossflight Limited employee and at this stage are in no way a direct representation of Crossflight Limited. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. 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We strongly recomend that you check this email with your own virus software as Crossflight Limited will not be held responsible for any damage caused by viruses as a result of opening this email. ********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 05:07:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C4DE16A4CE for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 05:07:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from charentes.fr.clara.net (charentes.fr.clara.net [212.43.194.76]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D9443F75 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 05:07:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ogautherot@freesurf.fr) Received: from mail.freesurf.fr (mail.freesurf.fr [212.43.206.50]) by charentes.fr.clara.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5520059A7D; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:07:25 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail.freesurf.fr (Postfix, from userid 5000) id EF934E4A01; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:07:24 +0100 (CET) References: <200311190158.hAJ1wNOi000727@mist.nodomain> <20031119035315.61bbe274.b_cassidy@bellsouth.net> <20031120062655.060c4d7b.b_cassidy@bellsouth.net> In-Reply-To: <20031120062655.060c4d7b.b_cassidy@bellsouth.net> From: ogautherot@freesurf.fr To: Bryan Cassidy Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:07:24 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: ogautherot@freesurf.fr Message-Id: <20031120130724.EF934E4A01@mail.freesurf.fr> cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New parts for new PC (need help - little knowledge of hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:07:27 -0000 Hi Bryan! I've had Seagate HDD in a PC for over 5 years and I am offering the PC soon to my parents. They seem to be pretty hard to kill. So I would recommend Seagate. I bought an IBM hard disk recently but the heads had "landed" and it made a terrible noise. I replaced it and the new unit seems pretty stable (but I have had it for a couple of months so far - difficult to give a real opinion so far). They tend to be competitive for high capacity so you may check that. The type choice will depend mostly on the capacity you need. Hope it helps Olivier Bryan Cassidy écrit: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I've got EVERYTHING picked out BUT the harddrive and controller card for > the hard drive. Do you have any recommendations (seagate model #????) on > the hard drive and/or controller card for a IDE HD? I'm kinda confused. > I see people talking about RAID but not really sure what it is and what > it does? Maybe you could explain a little to me? > > On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:24:32 +0100 > des@des.no (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) wrote: > > > Bryan Cassidy writes: > > > Hard drive: > > > SEAGATE SCSI 36.0GB 10000RPM, MODEL# ST336607LW -X10 > > > > Don't bother with SCSI. It's definitely faster than IDE, but it's not > > worth the price for a desktop system. You'll probably be a lot > > happier running a RAID0 over two 120GB IDE drives (provided your > > motherboard has a RAID BIOS, or you buy a dual-channel PCI RAID > > adapter such as the Promise TX2000) > > > > DES > > -- > > Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des@des.no > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) > > iD8DBQE/vLMPjnOL7dYm/EQRApPIAKDuo08pkX7HPALsS6Pt7eYnEq2B8gCg7nHS > xFAU1quhwz1SpSAWO7cN9As= > =jnnu > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 09:21:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BBA16A4CE for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:21:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.linkline.com (smtp1.linkline.com [66.59.235.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E808843FD7 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:21:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sclements@linkline.com) Received: from sam-clements-desktop.linkline.com (unknown [66.59.225.129]) by smtp1.linkline.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 158B39CD08; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:21:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20031120091300.036e2008@junior.loungenet.org> X-Sender: spam@junior.loungenet.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:19:31 -0800 To: Bryan Cassidy , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Samuel Clements In-Reply-To: <20031120062655.060c4d7b.b_cassidy@bellsouth.net> References: <200311190158.hAJ1wNOi000727@mist.nodomain> <20031119035315.61bbe274.b_cassidy@bellsouth.net> <20031120062655.060c4d7b.b_cassidy@bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: New parts for new PC (need help - little knowledge of hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:21:33 -0000 There are some really good RAID Primers you can read up on, like this one=20 from Intel: http://support.intel.com/support/motherboards/server/raid_info.htm or this one from LSI: http://www.lsilogic.com/products/stor_prod/raid/backgrounder1.html or this one from Adaptec: http://graphics.adaptec.com/pdfs/ACSP_RAID_Ch4.pdf My $.02 worth is the Intel and Adaptec SCSI RAID controllers seem to work=20 really well for us, but I don't have much experience in the IDE RAID realm= =20 yet with the exception of the Adaptec/Intel SATA RAID built into the ICH5R= =20 on the new S875WP1 server board that isn't yet supported under FreeBSD=20 (might want to stay away from that one for now)... Probably something from= =20 Promise will suit you fine. At the low end, if it works, theres not going=20 to be a lot of difference among controllers. -Sam At 04:26 AM 11/20/2003, Bryan Cassidy wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >I've got EVERYTHING picked out BUT the harddrive and controller card for >the hard drive. Do you have any recommendations (seagate model #????) on >the hard drive and/or controller card for a IDE HD? I'm kinda confused. >I see people talking about RAID but not really sure what it is and what >it does? Maybe you could explain a little to me? > >On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:24:32 +0100 >des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav) wrote: > > > Bryan Cassidy writes: > > > Hard drive: > > > SEAGATE SCSI 36.0GB 10000RPM, MODEL# ST336607LW -X10 > > > > Don't bother with SCSI. It's definitely faster than IDE, but it's not > > worth the price for a desktop system. You'll probably be a lot > > happier running a RAID0 over two 120GB IDE drives (provided your > > motherboard has a RAID BIOS, or you buy a dual-channel PCI RAID > > adapter such as the Promise TX2000) > > > > DES > > -- > > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) > >iD8DBQE/vLMPjnOL7dYm/EQRApPIAKDuo08pkX7HPALsS6Pt7eYnEq2B8gCg7nHS >xFAU1quhwz1SpSAWO7cN9As=3D >=3Djnnu >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 09:38:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E6316A4CE for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:38:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxsmta01.dellhost.com (mxsmta01.ow.dellhost.com [209.235.30.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707ED43FDD for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:38:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jackie.mccracken@jacktel.com) Received: from c927711-e.jacktel.net ([208.11.116.189]) by mxsmta03.dellhost.comESMTP <20031116173453.BKGO24531.mxsmta03.dellhost.com@c927711-e.jacktel.net> for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:34:53 -0500 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:29:36 -0600 Message-ID: <2E6D53592F705BB2@jacktel.com> From: "Jackie S. McCracken" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: 602Pro LAN SUITE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Dell 1750 won't run X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:38:59 -0000 I'm trying to build a Dell 1750 with 5.1. After the kern and mfsroot fl= oppies have loaded and the system starts to come up it reports an unreco= gnized chip set then once I try to run the ftp utility to load a minimum= configuration it cannot see the NIC interface i.e. it's not part of the= choices for the download. The system came with a driver disk for the B= roadcom NIC which is a 5704 gigabit interface but it only has drivers fo= r Windows, Linux, and some other OS's but nothing for FreeBSD. Accordin= g to the Dell info it is a ServerWorks GC LE Chipset with 2:1 memory int= erleaving. How do I get the system to run? I need to get it up and run= ning ASAP. Jackie From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 09:44:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FEE616A4CE for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:44:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp3.sentex.ca (smtp3.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C57943FE5 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:44:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from damian@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by smtp3.sentex.ca (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAKHi0m5089825 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:44:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from damian@sentex.net) Received: from pegmatite.sentex.ca (pegmatite.sentex.ca [192.168.42.92]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAKHi2Uq027240 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:44:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from damian@sentex.net) Received: by pegmatite.sentex.ca (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9E4191715F; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:43:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:43:45 -0500 From: Damian Gerow To: hardware@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031120174345.GR98840@sentex.net> References: <410-22003110931318375@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Key-Id: 0xB841F142 X-GPG-Fingerprint: C7C1 E1D1 EC06 7C86 AF7C 57E6 173D 9CF6 B841 F142 X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: Re: ATI Radeon 9800 Pro X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:44:05 -0000 Thus spake Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav (des@des.no) [20/11/03 04:28]: > What makes you think there is a secret trick to make it work? Unless > you have chip docs and experience with XFree86 internals, you'll just > have to wait for it to be supported. The 9600/9800 cards have accelleration in XFree86's CVS. It's planned for 4.4. To get it now, you can install x11-servers/XFree86-4-Server-snap (and, obviously, remove x11-servers/XFree86-4-Server). However, ATI seems to have been completely unresponsive to releasing docs for the kernel-level accelleration. So there's little benefit in running the accellerated X driver (aside from the fact that you can actually use your graphics card). So yes, this is very much a waiting game, unfortunately. I haven't seen any indication (after two e-mails to them) that they are willing to release any sort of documentation on the cards, nor drivers. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 09:50:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7293916A4CE for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:50:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.freebsdsystems.com (mx1.FreeBSDsystems.COM [216.138.197.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1F243FB1 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:50:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lnb@FreeBSDsystems.COM) Received: (qmail 21975 invoked by uid 0); 20 Nov 2003 17:49:49 -0000 Received: from mx1.freebsdsystems.com (HELO mail.freebsdsystems.com) (lnb@freebsdsystems.com@216.138.197.66) by mx1.freebsdsystems.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 17:49:49 -0000 Received: from phoenix1.sc03.org ([140.221.244.34]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user lnb@freebsdsystems.com) by mail.freebsdsystems.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:49:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <40249.140.221.244.34.1069350589.squirrel@mail.freebsdsystems.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:49:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Lanny Baron" To: "Michael Moss" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Server Hardware Recommendations X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:50:30 -0000 Hi Michael, Did you check out our web site, http://www.FreeBSDsystems.com ? Guranteed to boot to login: Truly kickXXX boxes : ) Regards, Lanny Michael Moss in the last message apparantly wrote: > Hello All, > I have perused the archives extensively, but am still looking for a > good answer to this: Does anybody have any server hardware > recommendations considering the following? > > 1. Would like to run BSD 4.9 Release > 2. Minimal Tweaking (do not want to tweak drivers etc) > 3. RAID 2 or 5, sought in this order (greatest to least) SATA, SCSI, > IDE > 4. Dual processor a plus but not necessary > > Im mostly concerned with Motherboard recommendations, preferably with > built in ethernet and raid which works "out of the box". > > What are some setups people out there have? > > This is for a PHP/MySQL intensive website. > > Thank you for your help. > > -M > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Lanny Baron Proud to be 100% FreeBSD http://www.FreeBSDsystems.COM Toll Free: 1.877.963.1900 =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 10:59:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D9A16A4CE for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:59:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3425A43FCB for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:59:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darrell@dunmanifestin.co.uk) Received: from blakenet ([82.38.192.148]) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:59:16 +0000 Message-ID: <002b01c3af98$6190df80$0d02a8c0@blakenet> From: "Darrell Blake" To: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:59:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2003 18:59:16.0051 (UTC) FILETIME=[64FA2230:01C3AF98] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Still Having Radeon 9600 Problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:59:14 -0000 I'm still having trouble getting my Radeon 9600 card working. My = XF86Config files looks like this... Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "XFree86 Configured" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection Section "Files" RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" ModulePath "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/AdobeWebType" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/AdobeBasics" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/PEX" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi" EndSection Section "Module" Load "extmod" Load "glx" Load "GLcore" Load "dbe" Load "record Load "xtrap" Load "freetype" Load "speedo" Load "dri" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "keyboard" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "Auto" Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "LG" ModelName "L1710S" Option "DPMS" Horizsync 79.9=20 VertRefresh 75=20 EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Card0" Driver "radeon" VendorName "ATI Technologies Inc" BoardName "Radeon 9600" BusID "PCI:1:0:1" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Card1" Driver "radeon" VendorName "ATI Technologies Inc" BoardName "Radeon 9600" BusID "PCI:1:0:0" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Card0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultColorDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1280x1024" EndSubSection EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen1" Device "Card1" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultColorDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1280x1024" EndSubSection EndSection and I get the following error in my /var/log/XFree86.0.log... (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:0) = found (EE) No devices detected. Fatal server error: no screens found What am I doing wrong? Darrell From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 20 23:40:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629BE16A4CE for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:40:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from lupinella.troll.no (lupinella.troll.no [80.232.37.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E28143FA3 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:40:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ebakke@trolltech.com) Received: from steinbit.troll.no ([80.232.37.113]:1728 "EHLO steinbit.troll.no" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by trolltech.com with ESMTP id ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:40:04 +0100 From: "Erik H. Bakke" To: "Darrell Blake" , Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:40:12 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <002b01c3af98$6190df80$0d02a8c0@blakenet> In-Reply-To: <002b01c3af98$6190df80$0d02a8c0@blakenet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200311210840.12827.ebakke@trolltech.com> Subject: Re: Still Having Radeon 9600 Problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:40:20 -0000 On Thursday 20 November 2003 19:59, Darrell Blake wrote: > I'm still having trouble getting my Radeon 9600 card working. My XF86Config > files looks like this... > What version of XFree86 are you running? -- Erik H. Bakke From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 06:19:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DB116A4CE; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 06:19:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from f19.mail.ru (f19.mail.ru [194.67.57.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 924D943FBF; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 06:19:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd1968@mail.ru) Received: from mail by f19.mail.ru with local id 1ANC8M-000KZE-00; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:19:42 +0300 Received: from [194.186.29.253] by win.mail.ru with HTTP; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:19:42 +0300 From: =?koi8-r?Q?=22?=dd dd=?koi8-r?Q?=22=20?= To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [194.186.29.253] Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:19:42 +0300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: 5.1 hangs on large file transfers X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?koi8-r?Q?=22?=dd dd=?koi8-r?Q?=22=20?= List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:19:44 -0000 HI Fellows, sorry bothering you. There is probably an inssue with 5.1-RELEASE. I got 2 hdd attached to separate cables/controllers. At the boot time I can see something like: ad0: 9732MB [19774/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA100 ad2: 76351MB [155127/16/63] at ata1-master UDMA100 ad2: UDMA ICRC error cmd=read fsbn 0 of 0-3 retrying last message repeated 2 times ad2: UDMA ICRC error cmd=read fsbn 0 of 0-3 falling back to PIO mode last message repeated 2 times Then system runs and looks alive and kicky. Buut when I'm trying to perform large file transfers from one disc to another, the system freezes with no diagnostics. Even when I press something like CapsLock led does not blink. I read some posts concerning this issue. So, I turned off any NFSs and changed cables, stripped kernel to minimum functionality (however still running natd). Still got this problem. When I do any transfers on the same hdd -- everything looks fine. The same disks with 4.7 installed work with no problems. Can this be motherboard/samsung incompatibility or just software tricks? Thanks in advance, Dmitry. P.S. please reply to me directly cause I do not read the list. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 07:28:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27BE316A4CE; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:28:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-234.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 670E743FE5; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:28:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 08BD766C55; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:28:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:28:35 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: dd dd Message-ID: <20031121152835.GA1117@xor.obsecurity.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 5.1 hangs on large file transfers X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:28:37 -0000 --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 05:19:42PM +0300, "dd dd" wrote: > HI Fellows, > sorry bothering you. > There is probably an inssue with 5.1-RELEASE. Does it persist with 5.1-CURRENT, which has a new ata driver? Kris --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/vi8jWry0BWjoQKURArJCAJwLfFHjGIF9FVs8GggYs7BYg59irACfZFWv LRqM54Dsi86rBydrVo5RhLc= =Tl1z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC-- From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 11:20:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D01C16A4CE for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:20:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from dastardly.newsbastards.org.72.27.172.IN-addr.ARPA.NOSPAM.dyndns.dk (does-d9b91939.pool.mediaWays.net [217.185.25.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57DFA43FDD for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:19:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bounce@NOSPAM.dyndns.dk) Received: from NOSPAM.spam.NOSPAM.spam.NOSPAM.dyndns.dk (NOSPAM.spam.NOSPAM.spam.NOSPAM.dyndns.dk [2002:3e50:3ceb:0:200:c0ff:fefc:19aa] (may be forged)) (8.11.6/8.11.6-SPAMMERS-DeLiGHt) with ESMTP id hAL0hU706755 verified NO) for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:43:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bounce@NOSPAM.dyndns.dk) Received: (from beer@localhost)hAL0hDu01322; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:43:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bounce@NOSPAM.dyndns.dk) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:43:13 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200311210043.hAL0hDu01322@NOSPAM.spam.NOSPAM.spam.NOSPAM.dyndns.dk> X-Authentication-Warning: NOSPAM.spam.NOSPAM.spam.NOSPAM.dyndns.dk: beer set sender to bounce@NOSPAM.dyndns.dk using -f References: <200311050441.hA54fhJ54978@NOSPAM.spam.NOSPAM.spam.NOSPAM.dyndns.dk> From: Barry Bouwsma To: FreeBSD Hardware Wizards Subject: Re: USB camera compatibility question X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:20:03 -0000 [Drop my (IPv6-only) address if replying; I'll catch the archives] I'm going to do a Bad Thing and follow up to myself, just because I tend to write way too much. And in case this would be useful for the archives or elsewhere... I blabbered mindlessly the following a few weeks back: > I'm wondering if anyone in the southern germany or adjacent border areas > has any experience with the digital camera on offer from the discounter > Aldi-Sued since 22.Okt, and FreeBSD. It's a `Traveller' or something > Does it, or should I be able to expect it to, function as a USB storage > device connected directly to a USB port under FreeBSD? Yes, with a fair amount of kernel hacking. > Or do I have to use some other device to access the memory cards and any > images thereupon? Yes, because so far the images snarfed with my hacks are okay for the first 4096 bytes, thereafter failing to match the perfect images I can download with the `mtools' utilities from a printer cum card slot. There seem to be chunks of NULs present regularly throughout the file. First of all, the device can be attached as a umass device -- I'm using some mid-Sept. source code plus the RELENG_4-USB patches based on recent -current code, fixing what breaks. The device is identified as follows: umass0: vendor 0x0784 product 0x1689, rev 0.01/0.01, addr 2, 8070i (ATAPI) over Bulk-Only The vendor ID is listed in the NetBSD usbdevs source as JENOPTIK. Make of that what you will. The product number is not present, no surprise. The SCSI ID for the camera is as follows: pass1 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 pass1: Removable Direct Access SCSI-0 device pass1: 650KB/s transfers A quirk entry is needed in umass.c in order for the device to be created as /dev/da*, without which one sees the following: Creating DISK da1 (da1:umass-sim0:0:0:0): got CAM status 0x4 (da1:umass-sim0:0:0:0): fatal error, failed to attach to device (da1:umass-sim0:0:0:0): lost device (da1:umass-sim0:0:0:0): removing device entry if (UGETW(dd->idVendor) == 0x0784) /* JENOPTIK */ { sc->quirks |= FORCE_SHORT_INQUIRY; } (Whether additional quirks are needed, perhaps to solve the 4096- byte corruption, well, I haven't experimented with that yet) Also, a quirk could be added to scsi_da.c because this device does not care for the SYNCHRONIZE_CACHE command. However, that looks to be more of a shortcoming in the ATAPI transformation, and rather than adding a line like {T_DIRECT, SIP_MEDIA_REMOVABLE, "CAMERA*", "5MP-9A3*", "1.00*"}, /*quirks*/ DA_Q_NO_SYNC_CACHE (The wildcard CAMERA* seems to be needed; the others probably can be made much more generic) instead, I thought I would see if I could get the atapi transformation to ignore sync_cache instead of returning an error and putting out those annoying messages all over my console. I don't suppose the CAM or xpt or whatever layer would know it's talking to an 8070i device and thus automagically apply the NO_SYNC_CACHE quirk... So, with that, I have a modest amount of joy. Save for the corrupted images, at least I can mount the card and get directory listings, and copy the corrupt files at several hundred kB/sec, much faster than the mtools access that gives proper images for those times I care about data integrity, taking minutes rather than seconds. Woohoo. Barry Bouwsma From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 11:48:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C6216A4CF for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:48:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from pit.databus.com (p70-227.acedsl.com [66.114.70.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63A743F3F for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:48:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barney@pit.databus.com) Received: from pit.databus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pit.databus.com (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hALJmkTb087498 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:48:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from barney@pit.databus.com) Received: (from barney@localhost) by pit.databus.com (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id hALJmktQ087497 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:48:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from barney) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:48:46 -0500 From: Barney Wolff Cc: FreeBSD Hardware Wizards Message-ID: <20031121194845.GA87408@pit.databus.com> References: <200311050441.hA54fhJ54978@NOSPAM.spam.NOSPAM.spam.NOSPAM.dyndns.dk> <200311210043.hAL0hDu01322@NOSPAM.spam.NOSPAM.spam.NOSPAM.dyndns.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200311210043.hAL0hDu01322@NOSPAM.spam.NOSPAM.spam.NOSPAM.dyndns.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 Subject: Re: USB camera compatibility question X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:48:48 -0000 On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 01:43:13AM +0100, Barry Bouwsma wrote: > > Yes, because so far the images snarfed with my hacks are okay for the > first 4096 bytes, thereafter failing to match the perfect images I can > download with the `mtools' utilities from a printer cum card slot. > There seem to be chunks of NULs present regularly throughout the file. The "junk at byte 4097" symptom matches what I get with a Sony F707 on -current using the OHCI usb controller. I believe it's a bug in the ohci driver but don't know more than that. -- Barney Wolff http://www.databus.com/bwresume.pdf I'm available by contract or FT, in the NYC metro area or via the 'Net. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 18:14:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B361116A4CE for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:14:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from msr87.hinet.net (msr87.hinet.net [168.95.4.187]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C74E43FE1 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:14:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from burkeker@ms14.hinet.net) Received: from [61.227.213.89] (61-227-213-89.HINET-IP.hinet.net [61.227.213.89]) by msr87.hinet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00679 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:14:51 +0800 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Message-Id: From: Burke Chih-Jen Ko Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:01:51 +0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: matrox G550 on FreeBSD 4.9-release X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:14:54 -0000 I am running on FreeBSD 4.9-release and with hardward set up as below: Mainboard: ABIT NF7-s, nVidia nForce 2 ultra 400 chipset Graphic adapter: Matrox Millenium G550 Having searched the archive, I found most discussions are related and XFree86, and googled with error message below, I tried several solutions but no one worked. What should I do to avoid the dmesg error? Here is the message: drm0: mem 0xe7000000-0xe77fffff,0xe6000000-0xe6003fff,0xe4000000-0xe5ffffff irq 10 at device 0.0 on pci2 error: [drm:mga_init] *ERROR* Cannot initialize the agpgart module. device_probe_and_attach: drm0 attach returned 12 and my kernel is compiled with device vga device agp device mgadrm base on information provide with this link, I don't load agp in loader.conf: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2003-May/001031.html then following are some of links I've visited: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2003-May/001032.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2003-May/001030.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freebsd-multimedia/message/12842?source=1 http://people.freebsd.org/~anholt/dri/index.html http://www.luna2.org/~yatt/freebsd/dri.shtml any hints or solutions will be appreciated! sincerely, Burke From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 22 14:21:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10EEB16A4CE for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 14:21:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B86743FE3 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 14:21:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from [10.0.0.222] (aphrodite [10.0.0.222]) by digiflux.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAMMJumF003651; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 23:19:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) From: Stacy Olivas To: Darrell Blake , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200311192254.08939.darrell@dunmanifestin.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-Cw8CAPGwSjkk4UPZkJV0" Message-Id: <1069539669.3552.10.camel@aphrodite> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 23:21:09 +0100 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Re: Radeon 9600 Problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: olivas@digiflux.org List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:21:23 -0000 --=-Cw8CAPGwSjkk4UPZkJV0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 10:30, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Darrell Blake writes: > > I'm hoping someone on here can help me with this. I've been trying > > to get my ATI Radeon 9600 card working for ages. > > This may sound stupid, but have you tried "X -configure"? > > DES Here is something that I took from the FreeSBIE port.. It should help in detecting your graphics card.. It will write an XF86Config file that you can use.. but you might want to modify it though first. Extract it and run the detect.sh script. Hopefully this will be of use to other as well.. So I am including it as an attachment. -Stacy --=-Cw8CAPGwSjkk4UPZkJV0--