From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 9 06:18:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304DB16A4BF for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 06:18:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513CD43F75 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 06:18:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h89DIIlu007801 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 09:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h89DIIBB007800 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 09:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 09:18:18 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030909131818.GA7429@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: ftp-master.us.freebsd.org... X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 13:18:22 -0000 I think it's now fully functional. cvsupd seems to be doing the right thing. If you sync from ftp-master.freebsd.org using either cvsup or rsync please check the network response time to ftp-master.us.freebsd.org to see if your throughput is better for ftp-master.us. A quick way to check is just run ping and see what the time is, though there are more elaborate ways. :-) If that check shows a better time to ftp-master.us than you get to ftp-master.freebsd.org please give cvsup-ing/rsync-ing from ftp-master.us a try. We would like to offload ftp-master.freebsd.org at least a little bit before the 4.9 release if we can. Since ftp-master.us is I-2 connected I'm hoping at least some of the Universities will see a better response time from ftp-master.us than ftp-master.freebsd.org. As before, if you try this and find a problem please let us know. It might be something I can fix. :-) Thanks! -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 9 13:36:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75CFF16A4BF for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freesbee.wheel.dk (freesbee.wheel.dk [193.162.159.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F25B43FE9 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:36:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesper@skriver.dk) Received: by freesbee.wheel.dk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 44522384EC; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:36:32 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:36:32 +0200 From: Jesper Skriver To: Ken Smith Message-ID: <20030909203632.GA99177@skriver.dk> References: <20030909131818.GA7429@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030909131818.GA7429@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B88 9CE8 66E9 E631 C9C5 5EB4 22AB F0EC F956 1C31 X-PGP-Public-Key: http://freesbee.wheel.dk/~jesper/gpgkey.pub cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ftp-master.us.freebsd.org... X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 20:36:34 -0000 On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 09:18:18AM -0400, Ken Smith wrote: > > I think it's now fully functional. cvsupd seems to be doing the > right thing. > > If you sync from ftp-master.freebsd.org using either cvsup or rsync > please check the network response time to ftp-master.us.freebsd.org to > see if your throughput is better for ftp-master.us. A quick way to > check is just run ping and see what the time is, though there are more > elaborate ways. :-) If that check shows a better time to ftp-master.us > than you get to ftp-master.freebsd.org please give cvsup-ing/rsync-ing > from ftp-master.us a try. We would like to offload > ftp-master.freebsd.org at least a little bit before the 4.9 release if > we can. Since ftp-master.us is I-2 connected I'm hoping at least some > of the Universities will see a better response time from ftp-master.us > than ftp-master.freebsd.org. > > As before, if you try this and find a problem please let us know. It > might be something I can fix. :-) ftp.FreeBSD.org (.dk half of it) and ftp.dk.FreeBSD.org both sync from ftp-master.us.freebsd.org via cvsup now. /Jesper -- Jesper Skriver, jesper(at)skriver(dot)dk - CCIE #5456 One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, One IP to bring them all and in the zone to bind them. From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 9 15:21:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C262316A4BF; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from white.imgsrc.co.jp (ns.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E8943FEA; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:21:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3265B28407E; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 07:21:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2::130]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688D428407D; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 07:21:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2::130]) by black.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3153E1E4637; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 07:21:07 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 07:21:07 +0900 Message-ID: <7my8wx61t8.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: hubs@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.10.1 (Watching The Wheels) SEMI/1.14.5 (Awara-Onsen) FLIM/1.14.5 (Demachiyanagi) APEL/10.6 Emacs/21.3 (i386--freebsd) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.5 - "Awara-Onsen") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 Subject: sources.FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:21:10 -0000 I've set up the replacement of /pub/FreeBSD/branches/ stuff. This service is referred as like this: ftp://sources.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/sources/HEAD/src/Makefile ftp://sources.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/sources/RELENG_4/src/Makefile http://sources.FreeBSD.org/HEAD/src/Makefile http://sources.FreeBSD.org/RELENG_4/src/Makefile These trees are updated 4 times per hour with about 20 minutes delay from commitment in the repository. I'll change some of the references in our web tree which is pointing to cvsweb. I think some of them should point to actual files rather than CVS history page. And I hope this service would provide a convenient way to point our source files as an URL. This FTP (and HTTP) tree is not intended to be mirrored to the worldwide. I'll not block mirroring, but you does not need to mirror this contents as for official FreeBSD FTP mirror sites. Enjoy! -- Jun Kuriyama // IMG SRC, Inc. // FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 10 02:36:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A7EE16A4BF for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 02:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (kazi.fit.vutbr.cz [147.229.8.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B9C43FE0 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 02:36:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8A9akFg008256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:36:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from cejkar@localhost) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.12.9/8.12.5/Submit) id h8A9akCA008255 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:36:46 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: kazi.fit.vutbr.cz: cejkar set sender to cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz using -f Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:36:46 +0200 From: Rudolf Cejka To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030910093646.GA6391@fit.vutbr.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Subject: Problems with cvsup updates from ftp-master.FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:36:50 -0000 Hello, since some time, I see following error in my cvsup logs from ftp-master.FreeBSD.org: ... Updating collection ftp-development/all Updating collection ftp-others/all Rmdir FreeBSD/misc Cannot remove directory "/usr/local/etc/cvsup/prefixes/FreeBSD-archive.all/FreeBSD/misc": Directory not empty Finished successfully When I remove sup.client/ftp-others/checkouts.all, remove FreeBSD/misc/supfile and FreeBSD/misc, and run cvsup in full mode, first update is successfull: ... Updating collection ftp-development/all Updating collection ftp-others/all Mkdir FreeBSD/misc Create FreeBSD/misc/supfile Finished successfully But the next cvsup update again returns to its error message. During my tests, I even got this log: ... Updating collection ftp-development/all Updating collection ftp-others/all Create FreeBSD/misc/supfile Rmdir FreeBSD/misc Cannot remove directory "/usr/local/etc/cvsup/prefixes/FreeBSD-archive.all/FreeB SD/misc": Directory not empty Finished successfully :o) Does anybody have the same problems? Does anybody know, what to do with this? Furthermore, FreeBSD/misc has drwx------. We have talked just about others permissions, that they should pass through mirrors. However, we have not talked about group permissions very much. At now, I have cvsup and cvsupd under different users and the same group, so anything without group permissions could not be mirrored from ftp-master.cz. Should I run cvsup and cvsupd under the same user, or user permissions without group permissions should not be on ftp-master? Some time, I even saw d---------, which is bad for cvsup in any case, and when directory with these permissions is mirrored, I have to fix it by hand, so I think that d--------- and maybe drwx------ should not be allowed on ftp-master, or the problem is/would be just in my configuration? -- Rudolf Cejka http://www.fit.vutbr.cz/~cejkar Brno University of Technology, Faculty of Information Technology Bozetechova 2, 612 66 Brno, Czech Republic From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 10 06:00:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4134B16A4BF for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from white.imgsrc.co.jp (ns.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77AE43FE1 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:00:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B28AC284042 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:00:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2::130]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E716C28407B for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:00:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2::130]) by black.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA3A1E4628 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:00:24 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:00:24 +0900 Message-ID: <7miso06bo7.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20030910093646.GA6391@fit.vutbr.cz> References: <20030910093646.GA6391@fit.vutbr.cz> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.10.1 (Watching The Wheels) SEMI/1.14.5 (Awara-Onsen) FLIM/1.14.5 (Demachiyanagi) APEL/10.6 Emacs/21.3 (i386--freebsd) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.5 - "Awara-Onsen") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 Subject: Re: Problems with cvsup updates from ftp-master.FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:00:28 -0000 At Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:36:46 +0200, Rudolf Cejka wrote: > Does anybody have the same problems? Does anybody know, what to do with this? > > Furthermore, FreeBSD/misc has drwx------. We have talked just about > others permissions, that they should pass through mirrors. However, we > have not talked about group permissions very much. At now, I have cvsup > and cvsupd under different users and the same group, so anything without > group permissions could not be mirrored from ftp-master.cz. Should I run > cvsup and cvsupd under the same user, or user permissions without group > permissions should not be on ftp-master? Some time, I even saw d---------, > which is bad for cvsup in any case, and when directory with these > permissions is mirrored, I have to fix it by hand, so I think that > d--------- and maybe drwx------ should not be allowed on ftp-master, > or the problem is/would be just in my configuration? Hmm, FreeBSD/misc should have reasonable permission (775). I'll check configuration of server side... -- Jun Kuriyama // IMG SRC, Inc. From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 10 20:04:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E5F16A4BF for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 517B544013 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:04:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h8B34ulu003799 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 23:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h8B34tBi003798 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 23:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 23:04:55 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030911030455.GA3493@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Change in layout? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 03:04:58 -0000 I have been "asking around" to see if this is possible. They haven't said it's possible yet, but they haven't said it's not possible either. So, IF it turns out this is possible do you think this would help? 1) Move the *release* package set into the releases/ directory itself, instead of that being a symlink. 2) Move the non-release package sets (e.g. packages-5-current) to a new directory named releases/ Using the 4.9 release as an example that means the package set that would be placed in ports/i386/packages-4.9-release under the current scheme would be placed in releases/i386/4.9-RELEASE/packages instead. The reasons I thought this might help are: - the releases/ directory continues to be "static" stuff, with some clever rsync scripts or the separate cvsup collections available you can continue to just sync that during active release times if you want - the ports/ directory will only contain "dynamic" stuff, and only stuff directly related to the operations of "ports" (a tarball of the /usr/ports tree, plus all the distfiles) - the packages/ directory (new) will contain only "dynamic" stuff, and there will be less of it because the (static) release package sets will now be in the releases/ directory This should make choosing to carry only ports stuff or only packages stuff easier if you want to do that. Is this worth pursuing? They may still say no - keep in mind releases are built by different people than the ports/packages, etc. and coordinating it amongst all the different people during a time they're all under stress (release time...) might not work. Thanks. -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 10 20:08:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2049A16A4BF for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122EC43F3F for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:08:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h8B38flu003867 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 23:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h8B38fZQ003866 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 23:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 23:08:41 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030911030841.GB3493@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20030911030455.GA3493@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030911030455.GA3493@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Change in layout? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 03:08:43 -0000 On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 11:04:55PM -0400, Ken Smith wrote: > 2) Move the non-release package sets (e.g. packages-5-current) to > a new directory named releases/ Sigh... 2) Move the non-release package sets (e.g. packages-5-current) to a new directory named packages/ -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 10 20:12:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D8616A4BF for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229FB43F75 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:12:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id 6B85748F3E; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:12:41 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62AE752D96; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:12:41 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:12:41 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Ken Smith In-Reply-To: <20030911030455.GA3493@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Message-ID: References: <20030911030455.GA3493@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Change in layout? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 03:12:46 -0000 On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Ken Smith wrote: > 1) Move the *release* package set into the releases/ directory > itself, instead of that being a symlink. > 2) Move the non-release package sets (e.g. packages-5-current) to > a new directory named releases/ i'm not quite following the second part. do you mean non release package sets should stay in a packages/ tree (new from ports/) > Using the 4.9 release as an example that means the package set that > would be placed in ports/i386/packages-4.9-release under the current > scheme would be placed in releases/i386/4.9-RELEASE/packages instead. yep. this would be good for better management of space in the future and provides a more logical distribution of the package sets. > - the releases/ directory continues to be "static" stuff, with some > clever rsync scripts or the separate cvsup collections available > you can continue to just sync that during active release times if > you want yep. once you have sync'ed a release tree you never need to sync it again as the contents should never change (sure, there are always exceptions but they have been very few of those in recent years) > - the packages/ directory (new) will contain only "dynamic" stuff, > and there will be less of it because the (static) release package > sets will now be in the releases/ directory this will allow some mirrors to exclude the entire dynamic/rebuilt 'packages' tree due to the volume of updates and do it very easily. > Is this worth pursuing? They may still say no - keep in mind releases > are built by different people than the ports/packages, etc. and > coordinating it amongst all the different people during a time they're > all under stress (release time...) might not work. sounds pretty good to me to do this. regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 10 20:14:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A08E16A4BF for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from coe.ufrj.br (roma.coe.ufrj.br [146.164.53.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A96F43FB1 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:14:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonny@jonny.eng.br) Received: from jonny.eng.br (RJ174002.user.veloxzone.com.br [200.149.174.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by coe.ufrj.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3883F57D832; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:14:43 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <3F5FE8A9.5010006@jonny.eng.br> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:14:49 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Carlos_Mendes_Lu=EDs?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: pt-br, en-us, en, pt MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken Smith References: <20030911030455.GA3493@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> In-Reply-To: <20030911030455.GA3493@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Change in layout? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 03:14:47 -0000 Ken Smith wrote: > I have been "asking around" to see if this is possible. They haven't > said it's possible yet, but they haven't said it's not possible either. > So, IF it turns out this is possible do you think this would help? > > 1) Move the *release* package set into the releases/ directory > itself, instead of that being a symlink. Wouldn't this make those who download entire release dir to get almost 5G? And also, in these times when we donwload ISO images, is this a problem? > 2) Move the non-release package sets (e.g. packages-5-current) to > a new directory named releases/ You meant packages here, right? I like this idea. > Using the 4.9 release as an example that means the package set that > would be placed in ports/i386/packages-4.9-release under the current > scheme would be placed in releases/i386/4.9-RELEASE/packages instead. > > The reasons I thought this might help are: > > - the releases/ directory continues to be "static" stuff, with some > clever rsync scripts or the separate cvsup collections available > you can continue to just sync that during active release times if > you want > > - the ports/ directory will only contain "dynamic" stuff, and only > stuff directly related to the operations of "ports" (a tarball > of the /usr/ports tree, plus all the distfiles) > > - the packages/ directory (new) will contain only "dynamic" stuff, > and there will be less of it because the (static) release package > sets will now be in the releases/ directory > > This should make choosing to carry only ports stuff or only packages stuff > easier if you want to do that. > > Is this worth pursuing? They may still say no - keep in mind releases > are built by different people than the ports/packages, etc. and > coordinating it amongst all the different people during a time they're > all under stress (release time...) might not work. It needs some changes (and I don't know whici), but it's worth trying. Jonny -- João Carlos Mendes Luís - Networking Engineer - jonny@jonny.eng.br From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 10 21:03:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A123216A4BF for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC4E43FB1 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:03:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h8B43Ulu004719 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h8B43U48004718 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:03:30 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030911040330.GB4360@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20030911030455.GA3493@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <3F5FE8A9.5010006@jonny.eng.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3F5FE8A9.5010006@jonny.eng.br> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Change in layout? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 04:03:31 -0000 On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 12:14:49AM -0300, Joo Carlos Mendes Lus wrote: > Wouldn't this make those who download entire release dir to get > almost 5G? And also, in these times when we donwload ISO images, is > this a problem? Yes, the releases/ directory will grow dramatically in size. But I figured almost every mirror site would fall into one of two categories: 1) They download the packages, so this is not a big change because all it does is change where the files land. 2) They currently don't download the packages, just the releases/ directory. This set of folks are most likely using a hand-written rsync or have had experience tweaking cvsup so they just need to adapt that slightly. But I could definitely be wrong in this regard... :-/ As for "these times", that suggested "Release Guide" we discussed a long time ago did result in some discussions with re@. I don't know if it will work out in the end but it's at least possible some of what we discussed will be done. Part of what we discussed was having the package sets posted several days before the rest of the release bits. If that happens it should help minimize the problem we'd have with ISO images, etc. because hopefully the package files would have propagated out before the ISO's show up. We'll see... :-) -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 11 05:36:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080B816A4BF for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 05:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B748944001 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 05:36:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h8BCaBlu011272 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h8BCaAKm011271 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:36:10 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030911123610.GA10809@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: mirror-announce@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:36:13 -0000 [ Quick summary: If you are an Official Mirror Site and you have even a tiny doubt I have the correct email address for your site please reply to this, straight to me, and at least let me know what your site's name is. Don't assume that just because you're on hubs@ you are taken care of - it's better to reply to this. Those of you who replied to my previous message asking for site info for the upcoming 4.9 release do NOT need to do anything - you gave me what I needed already. ] Last night the list "mirror-announce@freebsd.org" was created for us, though I haven't added any addresses to it yet. I'm not sure if it will be "ready enough" for the 4.9 release but I'll try. This list will be mandatory for all Official Mirror Sites and it will be a strictly "announce only" list - not for discussion (that's what hubs@ is for :-). When it is ready this will be where the re@ folks will announce things relevant to releases instead of hubs@. This is being done for two reasons - hubs@ can at times get a bit too chatty to be made a *requirement* of all Official Mirror Sites, and maybe having this be a private list will reduce the chances of the releases being "announced" (on slashdot for example) before re@ is ready for it. Please note that because hubs@ is a public list and anyone can sign up for it I can't use that as a base to build mirror-announce@ from so just because you're on hubs@ doesn't mean you'll automatically wind up on mirror-announce@. Also, upon reflection (read: dealing with tons of SPAM resulting from my email address being on various Web pages... :-) at this time I have no intention of adding new places on the Web we list site contact email addresses. If that changes we'll check with you beforehand. I would still like to have two classes of email addresses for every site though. Those of you who responded to the previous message should still be all set, I don't think your answer would change. What we need is: 1) Who we should send email to when announcing things, if we need to contact you because a problem was reported with your site, etc. For large sites this might be an alias that reaches several tech staff-ers who can handle problems. 2) Who we should believe if they send email to us asking that information about the site be changed. Note this needs to be a real email address we'd see in the "From:" headers. If we receive a change request from an unrecognized address we'll try to confirm the request by sending to (1) before we do anything so this will delay processing the request. If you are a small site there may not be any difference between (1) and (2), and that's fine. Larger sites tend to have different answers for (1) and (2) though. I'll call (1) the Site Contact and (2) the Site Maintainer. So... Given that if any of you have not replied to my previous message asking for info about sites for the upcoming FreeBSD 4.9 release here's the template again: FreeBSD name: Real site name: Site Maintainer(s): [*REAL* email address, who would send us email] Site Contact(s): [Who we should send email to] Content: [ISO's/release files/packages] Access Methods: [FTP/rsync/cvsup/http] Upstream Host: [where you feed from] Sync Mechanism: [how you download - cvsup/rsync/omi/mirror/etc] Thanks. -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 11 07:05:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C674216A4BF for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 07:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AFBB43FE9 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 07:05:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h8BE5glu013241 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h8BE5gXg013240 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:05:42 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030911140542.GA13124@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20030910093646.GA6391@fit.vutbr.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030910093646.GA6391@fit.vutbr.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Problems with cvsup updates from ftp-master.FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:05:44 -0000 On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 11:36:46AM +0200, Rudolf Cejka wrote: > Does anybody have the same problems? Does anybody know, what to do with this? Are you still having problems? Jun fixed something yesterday. There was one thing odd about that directory on ftp-master - it was owned by a currently unused uid so there was no mapping of uid to username. -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 11 07:19:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A29116A4BF for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 07:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (kazi.fit.vutbr.cz [147.229.8.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95DAF43FE0 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 07:19:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8BEJQFg077970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:19:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from cejkar@localhost) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.12.9/8.12.5/Submit) id h8BEJQrV077968 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:19:26 +0200 (CEST) Resent-Message-Id: <200309111419.h8BEJQrV077968@kazi.fit.vutbr.cz> X-Authentication-Warning: kazi.fit.vutbr.cz: cejkar set sender to cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz using -f Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:19:05 +0200 From: Rudolf Cejka To: Ken Smith Message-ID: <20030911141905.GA76410@fit.vutbr.cz> References: <20030910093646.GA6391@fit.vutbr.cz> <20030911140542.GA13124@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030911140542.GA13124@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Resent-From: cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:19:26 +0200 Resent-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Subject: Re: Problems with cvsup updates from ftp-master.FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:19:30 -0000 Ken Smith wrote (2003/09/11): > Are you still having problems? Jun fixed something yesterday. There > was one thing odd about that directory on ftp-master - it was owned > by a currently unused uid so there was no mapping of uid to username. Thanks for the fix and for the explanation (very good for more experiences...). As I see, it is fixed now (4 hours ago :o). -- Rudolf Cejka http://www.fit.vutbr.cz/~cejkar Brno University of Technology, Faculty of Information Technology Bozetechova 2, 612 66 Brno, Czech Republic