From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 19 04:37:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5031916A4B3 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 04:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.webmonster.de (datasink.webmonster.de [194.162.162.209]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 02C8143F85 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 04:37:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karsten@rohrbach.de) Received: (qmail 73360 invoked by uid 1000); 19 Oct 2003 11:37:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:37:10 +0200 From: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" To: John Polstra Message-ID: <20031019113732.GD68501@mail.webmonster.de> References: <20031010060149.GA3707@math.uic.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Arbitrary-Number-Of-The-Day: 42 X-URL: http://www.rohrbach.de./ X-Work-URL: http://webmonster.de./ X-Work-Address: webmonster.de - Karsten W. Rohrbach; Mainzer Str. 106; 64293 Darmstadt; Germany" X-Work-Phone: +49 (0)700 webmonster (=93266678) cc: Vladimir V Egorin cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvsup server operation X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:37:13 -0000 John Polstra(jdp@polstra.com)@2003.10.10 13:21:06 +0000: > I don't have any automatic rate throttling on the mirrors I manage. Rate throttling with processes that happen to use up some memory often tend to be a DoS against oneself. Also, IMVHO, the idea behind online networking services is getting the jobs done faster. Therefor maximum bandwidth should be achieved (eg. the sooner the client finishes the better. The amount of transferred data is the same, if throttled or not). In certain thottling/bandwidth management scenarios, the transmitted amount of data is even higher when throttled. > But I check the log files periodically. Any time I notice somebody > abusing a mirror (e.g., with cronjob updates more frequently than once > an hour) I simply blacklist them in the cvsupd.access file. I feel no > remorse at all about denying access to greedy jerks. Likewise, when Same here. I'm glad that I am not alone with this attitude. I am very tolerant, though, but if one runs an update against port-all every 5 minutes 24x7 just to 'stay current', I write a polite email and turn the off-knob. > I catch people doing simultaneous updates from multiple machines at > their site, I add a rule to cvsupd.access that limits them to 1 update > at a time from their subnet. I always have a great big smile on my > face when I do that. No guilt whatsoever. :-) Yup. Especially the folks at universities and institutes should know better when everything boils down to shared access of computing ressources, but they don't. Limiting the no. of connections from their subnet is the only viable solution. I had an email this year from some lab guy complaining about being limited with his 20 machines that pulled src-all and ports-all every morning at 3:00. Tsk tsk. > The scary thing is when you find out how few of these cronjob mirror > abusers even notice that they're not getting updates any more. I got quite some resonance on cvsup7.de when I change ACLs or write polite emails. 75% of the folks understand what it's about and change their configurations, etc. The remaining 25% are T-Online customers, anyway, so we got to be glad that they don't speel FreeBSD like "PhreeBSD" and such... ;-) Though, the biggest problem we face on cvsup7.de is the load at 3:00am, because half of germany thinks that this would be a good time to update their src and ports... Regards, /k -- > Hackers do it with all sorts of characters. webmonster.de -- InterNetWorkTogether -- built on the open source platform http://www.webmonster.de/ - ftp://ftp.webmonster.de/ - http://www.rohrbach.de/ GnuPG: 0xDEC948A6 D/E BF11 83E8 84A1 F996 68B4 A113 B393 6BF4 DEC9 48A6 Please do not remove my address from To: and Cc: fields in mailing lists. 10x From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 19 10:25:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E3716A4B3 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blake.polstra.com (dsl081-189-066.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.189.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE0E43F3F for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:25:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from strings.polstra.com (dsl081-189-067.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.189.67]) by blake.polstra.com (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9JHPNOH066549; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:25:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.4 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20031019113732.GD68501@mail.webmonster.de> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:25:23 -0700 (PDT) From: John Polstra To: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.421707, version=0.14.5 cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvsup server operation X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:25:25 -0000 On 19-Oct-2003 Karsten W. Rohrbach wrote: > > Though, the biggest problem we face on cvsup7.de is the load at 3:00am, > because half of germany thinks that this would be a good time to update > their src and ports... Yep. That's because a lot of people run their update scripts from /etc/periodic/daily, which gets processed at 3:01 every morning. John From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 23 22:10:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F15216A4B3 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gauss.stokely.org (builder.freebsdmall.com [65.86.180.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701EB43FDD for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:10:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@gauss.stokely.org) Received: from gauss.stokely.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gauss.stokely.org (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9O5AKYm007922 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:10:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@gauss.stokely.org) Received: (from murray@localhost) by gauss.stokely.org (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id h9O5AJQO007921 for hubs@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:10:19 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031024051019.GD5073@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Subject: 4.9-RC4 (i386) on ftp-master X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 05:10:27 -0000 A final release candidate for i386 is on ftp-master. No need to mail me when your site has the bits. Thanks, - Murray From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 24 01:07:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7881016A4BF for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s42.q.p80.net (s45.q.p80.net [217.75.96.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190EB43FBD for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:07:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from magnus.benngard@port80.se) Received: from [81.26.235.3] ([81.26.235.3]) by s42.q.p80.net (8.12.9/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h9O87EsQ023498 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:07:14 +0200 From: Magnus Benngard To: hubs@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1066982275.2928.30.camel@mabe.g.port80.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.4 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:57:56 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: New mirror? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:07:18 -0000 Hi! I am thinking of setting up a mirror of cvsup in Gothenburg, Sweden. Do anyone se a need for it or am I totally wrong? /Magnus From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 24 10:33:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF9E816A4B3 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from procyon.firepipe.net (procyon.firepipe.net [198.78.66.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6475243F3F for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:33:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@csociety.org) Received: by procyon.firepipe.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A6B6021229; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:33:13 -0700 From: Will Andrews To: Magnus Benngard Message-ID: <20031024173313.GY75599@procyon.firepipe.net> Mail-Followup-To: Magnus Benngard , hubs@freebsd.org References: <1066982275.2928.30.camel@mabe.g.port80.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1066982275.2928.30.camel@mabe.g.port80.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New mirror? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:33:15 -0000 On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 09:57:56AM +0200, Magnus Benngard wrote: > I am thinking of setting up a mirror of cvsup in Gothenburg, > Sweden. Do anyone se a need for it or am I totally wrong? Well, there is only one public cvsup mirror in Sweden at the moment (cvsup/cvsup2 = cvsup.dataphone.se), although I might open the one at fruitsalad.org in Köping. Either way I don't see a problem with another cvsup server in Sweden. Regards, -- wca