From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 27 23:19:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A41D37B401 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from likya.bimel.com.tr (likya.bimel.com.tr [212.175.96.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A8843FBD for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:19:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ustuntas@bimel.com.tr) Received: (from root@localhost) by likya.bimel.com.tr (8.12.6p2/8.12.7) id h3S6JLkW012118 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 09:19:21 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ustuntas@bimel.com.tr) Received: from bimel.com.tr (zeugma.bimel.com.tr [212.175.96.11]) by likya.bimel.com.tr (8.12.6p2/8.12.7av) with ESMTP id h3S6JJgu012109 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 09:19:20 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ustuntas@bimel.com.tr) Message-ID: <3EACCB4D.1070906@bimel.com.tr> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 09:33:49 +0300 From: Murat USTUNTAS User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2) Gecko/20021202 X-Accept-Language: tr, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <3EA94F60.7040903@bimel.com.tr> In-Reply-To: <3EA94F60.7040903@bimel.com.tr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Subject: Re: Best Way Blocking Spams X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 06:19:19 -0000 Hello again, I have read all messages under that subject. I understand that there is no some standart way to block spam mails. I hope that some good programs writing on blocking spams. I will just make some corrections on my mail system. May be change mx as you say. But, i am waiting good solutions on blocking spam mails. Regards, Murat Ustuntas Murat USTUNTAS wrote: > Hello, > I just want to write on stoping / bloking spams ? I have tried to > install spammassasin and bogofiler to block the spams. I assume that I > am in wrong way to installation? How can I find the correct > installation steps to install spammassasin on FreeBSD with sendmail > for using system widely? Or any comments to fight the spams. > What about your solutions ? I will not change my mail server > (sendmail) to other one (postfix/qmail) because of migration problems. > I have about 2500 mail user on my system. > Regards > Murat Ustuntas > mustuntas@bimel.com.tr >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 28 00:12:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA3737B401 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 00:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from backup.dagupan.com (mailserver.dagupan.com [202.91.161.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB6043F75 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 00:12:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from francisv@dagupan.com) Received: by mailserver.dagupan.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:26:25 +0800 Message-ID: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9084CB4@mailserver.dagupan.com> From: francisv@dagupan.com To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:26:25 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Ipnat and WCCPv2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 07:12:21 -0000 Hi all, I'm running transparent proxying using WCCPv2 and OOPS on a FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE machine. The kernel patched to make it see WCCPv2 traffic (GRE) from the router (Cisco 7200) and compiled with IPFILTER option enabled. I can see GRE packets coming from the router: tcpdump -x -n ip proto 47 tcpdump: listening on xl0 14:14:45.365136 202.91.161.253 > 202.91.161.251: gre gre-proto-0x883E 4500 0044 2221 0000 ff2f c0b9 ca5b a1fd ca5b a1fb 0000 883e 0000 00fb 4500 0028 02fc 4000 7e06 71fa ca5b ae03 4007 cf73 11a5 0050 6f9f 97c2 1cf5 9495 5010 faf0 6228 0000 14:14:45.463502 202.138.131.38 > 202.91.161.251: gre gre-proto-0x883E 4500 0044 0d21 0000 fe2f f561 ca8a 8326 ca5b a1fb 0000 883e 0000 0026 4500 0028 a92b 4000 7e06 2d1f ca5b a10c d888 e294 5259 0050 00b4 b852 6266 041a 5010 2238 f4e6 0000 [... and more] On the router, I know the packets are being redirected: IP Address: 202.91.161.251 Protocol Version: 2.0 State: Usable Initial Hash Info: 00000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000 Assigned Hash Info: 24924924924924924924924924924924 92492492492492492492492492492492 Hash Allotment: 85 (33.20%) Packets Redirected: 9502 Connect Time: 00:16:47 However, I could not see any redirection happening at all (using ipnat -l): List of active MAP/Redirect filters: rdr xl0 0.0.0.0/0 port 80 -> 202.91.161.251 port 8080 tcp List of active sessions: However, I also have 2 other machines running FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE using the same WCCP patch and proxy application (OOPS) that can see redirected packets from the router. What could be the problem? --- francis a. vidal [bitstop network services] | http://www.bnshosting.net streaming media + web hosting | http://www.bitstop.ph v(02)330-2871,(02)330-2872; f(02)330-2873 | http://www.kuro.ph From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 28 05:51:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A1437B401 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 05:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h230n1fls35o1000.telia.com (h230n1fls35o1000.telia.com [217.210.234.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E23843F85 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 05:51:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@veidit.net) Received: from veidit.net (20.130.88.213.host.tele1europe.se [213.88.130.20] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0)h3SCpMD4022850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:51:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3EAD23C9.8080206@veidit.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:51:21 +0200 From: John Angelmo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030415 X-Accept-Language: sv, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.30 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Subject: VPN solution X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:51:29 -0000 Hello A company has asked me about a VPN/Firewall solution using FreeBSD, I will setup the server but then they might want to configure some of the stuff themself, is there any good (and semi easy) web/X11 GUI for them to use for isakmpd and ipfw? /John From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 28 07:43:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3EA237B401 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 07:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alcatraz.wolfpaw.net (alcatraz.wolfpaw.net [204.209.44.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E137743F93 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 07:43:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from admin-lists@wolfpaw.net) Received: (qmail 17061 invoked by uid 0); 28 Apr 2003 14:43:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wolf) (216.123.201.128) by 0 with SMTP; 28 Apr 2003 14:43:00 -0000 From: "Wolfpaw - Dale Corse" To: "Murat USTUNTAS" , Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:57:19 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3EACCB4D.1070906@bimel.com.tr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Best Way Blocking Spams X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:43:38 -0000 search for spam assassin, works great. D. -------------------------------- Dale Corse System Administrator Wolfpaw Services Inc. http://www.wolfpaw.net (780) 474-4095 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Murat USTUNTAS > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 12:34 AM > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Best Way Blocking Spams > > > Hello again, > > I have read all messages under that subject. I understand > that there is > no some > standart way to block spam mails. I hope that some good > programs writing on > blocking spams. I will just make some corrections on my > mail system. May > be change > mx as you say. > But, i am waiting good solutions on blocking spam mails. > > Regards, > > Murat Ustuntas > > Murat USTUNTAS wrote: > > > Hello, > > I just want to write on stoping / bloking spams ? I > have tried to > > install spammassasin and bogofiler to block the spams. > I assume that I > > am in wrong way to installation? How can I find the correct > > installation steps to install spammassasin on FreeBSD > with sendmail > > for using system widely? Or any comments to fight the spams. > > What about your solutions ? I will not change my mail server > > (sendmail) to other one (postfix/qmail) because of > migration problems. > > I have about 2500 mail user on my system. > > Regards > > Murat Ustuntas > > mustuntas@bimel.com.tr > >_______________________________________________ > >freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 28 10:05:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D92837B401 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gray.impulse.net (gray.impulse.net [207.154.64.174]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A00243FA3 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:05:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from secabeen@pobox.com) Received: by gray.impulse.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3BA881C6; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:05:07 -0700 (PDT) To: "Tim McCullagh" References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030425200140.03d1a358@mail.go2france.com> <056f01c30ba2$b4b0d0c0$6500a8c0@halenet.com.au> From: Ted Cabeen Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:05:07 -0700 In-Reply-To: <056f01c30ba2$b4b0d0c0$6500a8c0@halenet.com.au> ("Tim McCullagh"'s message of "Sat, 26 Apr 2003 13:19:53 +1000") Message-ID: <877k9eblj0.fsf@gray.impulse.net> Lines: 68 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley, i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best Way Blocking Spams X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:05:08 -0000 "Tim McCullagh" writes: > I will second what Len has said > > Imgate works "Brilliantly" > > It has reduced my spam intake by as much as 40% in a week. I have seen > similar reports from others using it to. > > As for the migration issues. They are not an issue. You place a separated > MX server in front of your current sendmail machine. The separate server > doesn't need to be anything special from what I have found. It just needs > an excellent operating system FreeBSD with postfix installed and the IMgate > mods > > Have a look at http://imgate.meiway.com So looking at that webpage, it looks like IMGate is just a postfix box configured with a bunch of RBLs and other blocking systems. Does anybody know exactly what RBLs, filters and blocking systems IMGate uses? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Len Conrad" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 1:01 PM > Subject: Re: Best Way Blocking Spams > > >> >> > What about your solutions ? >> >> RBL is not a very effective way to block. It helps, but other techniques >> dominate. >> >> IMGate.MEIway.com (postfix as MX + any mailbox server) >> >> > I will not change my mail server >> > (sendmail) to other one (postfix/qmail) because of migration > problems. >> >> then migrate nothing, keep sendmail on your mailbox server, and run > postfix >> as mx. >> >> Len >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training: San Jose; Denver; New York; Seattle >> IMGate.MEIway.com: anti-spam gateway, effective on 1000's of sites, free >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Ted Cabeen http://www.pobox.com/~secabeen ted@impulse.net Check Website or Keyserver for PGP/GPG Key BA0349D2 secabeen@pobox.com "I have taken all knowledge to be my province." -F. Bacon secabeen@cabeen.org "Human kind cannot bear very much reality."-T.S.Eliot cabeen@netcom.com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 28 10:47:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1783837B404 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.dev.itouchnet.net (itouchlabs.com [196.15.188.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38BC43F85 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:47:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bvi@itouchlabs.com) Received: from nobody by mx1.dev.itouchnet.net with scanned_ok (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19ACm0-0004Pq-00 for isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:50:40 +0200 X-TLS: TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128 lair.moria.org -> mx1.dev.itouchnet.net Received: from lair.moria.org ([196.15.188.23] helo=Beastie) by mx1.dev.itouchnet.net with esmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19ACly-0004PY-00; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:50:39 +0200 Message-ID: <001e01c30dae$0316ead0$0b01a8c0@Beastie> From: "Barry Irwin" To: "John Angelmo" , References: <3EAD23C9.8080206@veidit.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:43:34 +0200 Organization: iTouch Labs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Checked: This message has been scanned for any virusses and unauthorized attachments. X-iScan-ID: 16972-1051552240-41702@unconfigured version $Name: REL_2_0_4 $ Subject: Re: VPN solution X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:47:26 -0000 Unfortunately nothing that I'm aware of , however some well designed shell scripts should be able to get you round most of the problems. I use a script for the setkey settings where you drop a vpnname.cf file in a directory, and its added from there. You can also use load and delete vpnname. Should be able to do something similar with iksampd/racoon ( although I've never really got the racoon include stuff working). If you interested in discussing details contact me directly. Regards, Barry -- Barry Irwin bvi@itouchlabs.com Tel: +27214875178 Systems Administrator: Networks And Security iTouch Technology iTouch TAS http://www.itouchlabs.com Mobile: +27824457210 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Angelmo" To: Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 2:51 PM Subject: VPN solution > Hello > > A company has asked me about a VPN/Firewall solution using FreeBSD, I > will setup the server but then they might want to configure some of the > stuff themself, is there any good (and semi easy) web/X11 GUI for them > to use for isakmpd and ipfw? > > /John > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 28 16:39:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448B937B401 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reallynicejerk.com (silver.reallynicehosting.com [216.40.238.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9A443FAF for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:39:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hosting@reallynicehosting.com) Received: from bigblackhole (ts46-01-qdr64.astra.or.charter.com [66.190.246.64]) (authenticated (0 bits))h3R512921392 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 22:01:02 -0700 From: "RN Hosting" To: Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 22:04:57 -0700 Message-ID: <002701c30c7a$8cccc7c0$6401a8c0@bigblackhole> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030426190032.A034437B404@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Marvin RE: Best Way Blocking Spams X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:39:03 -0000 Yikes, my jaw hit the floor when I saw the prices for Marvin. What makes it so much better than SpamAssassin that it's worth that price? Personally, I don't see how a host could afford that and why they would want to pay a monthly fee with the availability of databases like spamcop, GPL programs like SpamAssassin, Razor, MailScanner, Bogofilter etc. That costs more than all of my other overhead combined, per domain that I host. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 10:59:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Adam Maloney Subject: RE: Best Way Blocking Spams To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is somewhat of a shameless plug, but since it's on topic I think it's appropriate. We are a Minneapolis based ISP. We didn't like any of the current solutions available, so we developed our own. It's similar to Postini, but we've put a lot of thought into it which makes it very ISP-centric, so I like it better. And it runs on FreeBSD. We have a specific pricing structure for service providers who want to provide it to their customers. It is a commercial solution, but if anyone is looking for another "hands off" approach like Troy mentioned, check http://marvin.sihope.com. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 28 20:14:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B5537B401 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alcatraz.wolfpaw.net (alcatraz.wolfpaw.net [204.209.44.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DD60C43FBD for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:14:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from admin-lists@wolfpaw.net) Received: (qmail 12720 invoked by uid 0); 29 Apr 2003 03:13:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wolf) (216.123.201.128) by 0 with SMTP; 29 Apr 2003 03:13:49 -0000 From: "Wolfpaw - Dale Corse" To: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:28:11 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <002701c30c7a$8cccc7c0$6401a8c0@bigblackhole> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Marvin RE: Best Way Blocking Spams X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 03:14:28 -0000 I agree.. and our spamassassin has a success rate of about 97% on spam messages. The failure rate (false tagging) is probably 1/1000. I personally can't see why you wouldn't just use SpamAssassin, but thats me.. Regards, Dale. -------------------------------- Dale Corse System Administrator Wolfpaw Services Inc. http://www.wolfpaw.net (780) 474-4095 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of RN Hosting > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 11:05 PM > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Marvin RE: Best Way Blocking Spams > > > Yikes, my jaw hit the floor when I saw the prices for Marvin. > > What makes it so much better than SpamAssassin that it's worth that > price? > > Personally, I don't see how a host could afford that and > why they would > want to pay a monthly fee with the availability of databases like > spamcop, GPL programs like SpamAssassin, Razor, > MailScanner, Bogofilter > etc. > > That costs more than all of my other overhead combined, per > domain that > I host. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 10:59:09 -0500 (CDT) > From: Adam Maloney > Subject: RE: Best Way Blocking Spams > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > This is somewhat of a shameless plug, but since it's on > topic I think > it's appropriate. > > We are a Minneapolis based ISP. We didn't like any of the current > solutions available, so we developed our own. It's similar > to Postini, > but we've put a lot of thought into it which makes it very > ISP-centric, > so I like it better. And it runs on FreeBSD. > > We have a specific pricing structure for service providers > who want to > provide it to their customers. > > It is a commercial solution, but if anyone is looking for > another "hands > off" approach like Troy mentioned, check http://marvin.sihope.com. > > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 28 20:18:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1571337B401 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix1.sihope.com (unix1.sihope.com [207.195.195.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB3143FB1 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:18:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adamm@sihope.com) Received: from unix1.sihope.com (adamm@localhost.sihope.com [127.0.0.1]) by unix1.sihope.com (8.12.9/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3T3IEC6008889; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:18:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (adamm@localhost)h3T3IE9s008886; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:18:14 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: unix1.sihope.com: adamm owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:18:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Adam Maloney To: RN Hosting In-Reply-To: <002701c30c7a$8cccc7c0$6401a8c0@bigblackhole> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Marvin RE: Best Way Blocking Spams X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 03:18:17 -0000 > Yikes, my jaw hit the floor when I saw the prices for Marvin. Call us, or e-mail me privately, and we can work on the price if it's such an issue. The pricing is very much in-line with the other commercial products available, and it is cheaper than home-brewing such a complete solution yourself. > What makes it so much better than SpamAssassin that it's worth that > price? SA is one tool - if you look at our stats, it doesn't even account for half of the spam that gets stopped. We've added 3 new modules in less than a year, as the existing ones become less effective. What if SA stops being maintained? Who guarantees that it will still be effective in 6 months? What if you have customers that don't want content-based filtering? Who are you to decide at what score mail is blocked? What about the customer that wants the Viagra e-mails - how does he exclude just the Viagra SA rules from his score? > Personally, I don't see how a host could afford that and why they would > want to pay a monthly fee with the availability of databases like > spamcop, GPL programs like SpamAssassin, Razor, MailScanner, Bogofilter > etc. There are many who have justified the cost, after trying the tools in the public domain. So implement the DNS-based blacklists, SA, and Razor across the board for your mailboxes, and see what kind of response you get from your customers. You'd be surprised how many people don't agree with how these tools decide to block mail. MAPS, SA and Razor are great examples. Take it even further - tell your customers to buy the OE plugins for these tools, or run their own mailservers. The price per domain goes up quite a bit. What about NT-based shops, where most of the popular unix-centric anti-spam tools aren't available to them? There are enough Marvin users around for me to say that the cost certainly justifies the value. > That costs more than all of my other overhead combined, per domain that > I host. Are you going to offer per-mailbox and per-domain configuration? How are your users going to retrieve blocked messages, and how long will you keep them? How much will you spend on a RAID to house spam for 60 days for all of your customers? Double check your numbers before you calculate overhead. Another ISP here in town implemented SA for it's entire customer base, and they eventually moved to Postini because their mail cluster couldn't handle the load. Yet another ISP put RBL in place across the board, and had hundreds of calls from customers complaining about legitimate e-mail being blocked because the sender's ISP was listed, and MAPS wouldn't remove them from the list. Explaining Spamcop, ORBS, or MAPS' view of collateral damage is not a fun conversation with a customer that is losing business because of your anti-spam tools. Food for thought. Seriously, if you don't think the price is justified, I'd like to hear more. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 10:59:09 -0500 (CDT) > From: Adam Maloney > Subject: RE: Best Way Blocking Spams > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > This is somewhat of a shameless plug, but since it's on topic I think > it's appropriate. > > We are a Minneapolis based ISP. We didn't like any of the current > solutions available, so we developed our own. It's similar to Postini, > but we've put a lot of thought into it which makes it very ISP-centric, > so I like it better. And it runs on FreeBSD. > > We have a specific pricing structure for service providers who want to > provide it to their customers. > > It is a commercial solution, but if anyone is looking for another "hands > off" approach like Troy mentioned, check http://marvin.sihope.com. > > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 28 21:48:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C8CC37B401 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alcatraz.wolfpaw.net (alcatraz.wolfpaw.net [204.209.44.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AC3F543FD7 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:48:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from admin-lists@wolfpaw.net) Received: (qmail 16043 invoked by uid 0); 29 Apr 2003 04:47:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wolf) (216.123.201.128) by 0 with SMTP; 29 Apr 2003 04:47:47 -0000 From: "Wolfpaw - Dale Corse" To: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:02:05 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Marvin RE: Best Way Blocking Spams X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 04:48:25 -0000 I am not saying Marvin is a bad thing.. there are valid reasons for the commercial product. If spam assassin stopped being maintained, I would look at it. As far as the retrieval and all that is concerned, why is it your problem? What we do is this.. in the header of all mails is a X-Spam-Status: Let the user use their mail program to decide what happens to spam with header filters (outlook does it very well), then you have given them all of their mail, and all the means to filter it.. without special software. it is now in their hands.. no RAID arrays, or 60 day holds required.. Just my 2 cents.. Regards, Dale. -------------------------------- Dale Corse System Administrator Wolfpaw Services Inc. http://www.wolfpaw.net (780) 474-4095 ******************************************* "CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information in this electronic mail transmission contains confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of the transmission is strictly prohibited." > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Adam Maloney > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 9:18 PM > To: RN Hosting > Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Marvin RE: Best Way Blocking Spams > > > > Yikes, my jaw hit the floor when I saw the prices for Marvin. > > Call us, or e-mail me privately, and we can work on the > price if it's such > an issue. The pricing is very much in-line with the other > commercial > products available, and it is cheaper than home-brewing > such a complete > solution yourself. > > > What makes it so much better than SpamAssassin that it's > worth that > > price? > > SA is one tool - if you look at our stats, it doesn't even > account for > half of the spam that gets stopped. We've added 3 new > modules in less > than a year, as the existing ones become less effective. > What if SA stops > being maintained? Who guarantees that it will still be > effective in 6 > months? What if you have customers that don't want content-based > filtering? Who are you to decide at what score mail is > blocked? What > about the customer that wants the Viagra e-mails - how does > he exclude > just the Viagra SA rules from his score? > > > Personally, I don't see how a host could afford that and > why they would > > want to pay a monthly fee with the availability of databases like > > spamcop, GPL programs like SpamAssassin, Razor, > MailScanner, Bogofilter > > etc. > > There are many who have justified the cost, after trying > the tools in the > public domain. > > So implement the DNS-based blacklists, SA, and Razor across > the board for > your mailboxes, and see what kind of response you get from > your customers. > You'd be surprised how many people don't agree with how > these tools decide > to block mail. MAPS, SA and Razor are great examples. > > Take it even further - tell your customers to buy the OE > plugins for these > tools, or run their own mailservers. The price per domain > goes up quite a > bit. What about NT-based shops, where most of the popular > unix-centric > anti-spam tools aren't available to them? > > There are enough Marvin users around for me to say that the > cost certainly > justifies the value. > > > That costs more than all of my other overhead combined, > per domain that > > I host. > > Are you going to offer per-mailbox and per-domain > configuration? How are > your users going to retrieve blocked messages, and how long > will you keep > them? How much will you spend on a RAID to house spam for > 60 days for all > of your customers? > > Double check your numbers before you calculate overhead. > > Another ISP here in town implemented SA for it's entire > customer base, and > they eventually moved to Postini because their mail cluster couldn't > handle the load. > > Yet another ISP put RBL in place across the board, and had > hundreds of > calls from customers complaining about legitimate e-mail > being blocked > because the sender's ISP was listed, and MAPS wouldn't > remove them from > the list. Explaining Spamcop, ORBS, or MAPS' view of > collateral damage is > not a fun conversation with a customer that is losing > business because of > your anti-spam tools. > > Food for thought. Seriously, if you don't think the price > is justified, > I'd like to hear more. > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 10 > > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 10:59:09 -0500 (CDT) > > From: Adam Maloney > > Subject: RE: Best Way Blocking Spams > > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > > > This is somewhat of a shameless plug, but since it's on > topic I think > > it's appropriate. > > > > We are a Minneapolis based ISP. We didn't like any of the current > > solutions available, so we developed our own. It's > similar to Postini, > > but we've put a lot of thought into it which makes it > very ISP-centric, > > so I like it better. And it runs on FreeBSD. > > > > We have a specific pricing structure for service > providers who want to > > provide it to their customers. > > > > It is a commercial solution, but if anyone is looking for > another "hands > > off" approach like Troy mentioned, check http://marvin.sihope.com. > > > > > > Adam Maloney > > Systems Administrator > > Sihope Communications > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 29 07:07:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A21837B401 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 07:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opium.co.za (opium.co.za [196.34.165.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9FF43F93 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 07:07:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@opium.co.za) Received: from mark (helo=localhost) by opium.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19AVlF-000H0z-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:07:09 +0200 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:07:09 +0200 (SAST) From: Mark Bojara X-X-Sender: mark@opium.co.za To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030429160616.D16852-100000@opium.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mark Subject: ADSL with NIC X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:07:18 -0000 Hello All, I heard its possible to hook up a ADSL line (RJ11) directly into a NIC and it will operate with pppoed/ppp is this possible? Has anybody tried this? Regards Mark Bojara ---------------------------------------------------------------- Drop your carrier... we have you surrounded! ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 29 07:14:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994CD37B401 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 07:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix1.sihope.com (unix1.sihope.com [207.195.195.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B1D43FA3 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 07:14:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adamm@sihope.com) Received: from unix1.sihope.com (adamm@localhost.sihope.com [127.0.0.1]) by unix1.sihope.com (8.12.9/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3TEEGC6002182; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:14:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (adamm@localhost)h3TEEG1N002179; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:14:16 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: unix1.sihope.com: adamm owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:14:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Adam Maloney To: Wolfpaw - Dale Corse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Marvin RE: Best Way Blocking Spams X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:14:18 -0000 > As far as the retrieval and all that is concerned, why is it > your problem? We block the mail before it gets to the destination server, or the customer's machine. ISP's like it because they no longer have to take the dictionary attacks head-on. Customer's like it because they don't have to download and process mail that they didn't want in the first place. I don't know about OE, but I've watched Eudora spend hours passing a few hundred messages through 30 filters. > What we do is this.. in the header of all mails is a > X-Spam-Status: > Let the user use their mail program to decide what happens to > spam with header filters (outlook does it very well), then you This approach certainly works, but again, SA is only 1 tool. We are already seeing spammers checking their messages with SA to try and get the score down. And everyone has seen the serialized subjects and bodies, to get around the checksum-based filters. Most of the current DNS-based blacklists are listing open relays, but the spammers have been moving away from using them, since direct-to-MX is much more efficient. More than anything Marvin is a framework, and an abstraction layer. The framework side allows me to plug in anti-spam modules (the SA module took only a couple of hours of compiling SA, coding and testing). The abstraction piece means that I only have to write the Marvin module, and let the framework handle the nitty-gritty of playing nice with the other tools, getting user configurations, etc. With our way, we only have to write code to wrap around the tool, and we can quickly add new modules, and provide users a consistent interface for working with them. Since most of the wrapper code is generic, it's very easy to implement a new program. And with the Marvin framework, I can put a new module in place and test it live without worrying about it destroying customer's mail accidentally. The design makes it safer and easier to implement a change that could be felt by thousands of customers. Also, we never modify the message contents. The original Sendmail queue files are preserved through the entire process, so the conversation with the customer that calls and says our program changed the From line, or our program added some header that broke Exchange, is a lot easier to deal with - the qf and df are never altered. (I hope this doesn't spawn the dreaded sendmail/qmail/postfix thread...) So like I said, SA is a great tool, and it's very effective - 46% in the last 10 minutes by my stats. But we wanted to give our customers more, and not have a fight to shoe-horn in "just one more spam tool" into the sendmail config every time the spammers defeated another system. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences - even though I didn't initiate the thread, I've gotten a lot out of it. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 29 07:53:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC3037B401 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 07:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alcatraz.wolfpaw.net (alcatraz.wolfpaw.net [204.209.44.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B0D0943FB1 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 07:53:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from admin-lists@wolfpaw.net) Received: (qmail 4704 invoked by uid 0); 29 Apr 2003 14:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wolf) (216.123.201.128) by 0 with SMTP; 29 Apr 2003 14:53:20 -0000 From: "Wolfpaw - Dale Corse" To: Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:07:41 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20030429160616.D16852-100000@opium.co.za> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: ADSL with NIC X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:53:58 -0000 Hi Mark, I am thinking no.. the interface will not fit :) And even if you re-crimped it, the pin-outs wouldn't match, so I doubt the card would know what to do with the connection. I could be wrong though :) As far as I know, you still need an ADSL modem for pppoe (it is PPP-Over-Ethernet after all). Regards, Dale. -------------------------------- Dale Corse System Administrator Wolfpaw Services Inc. http://www.wolfpaw.net (780) 474-4095 ******************************************* "CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information in this electronic mail transmission contains confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of the transmission is strictly prohibited." > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Mark Bojara > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 8:07 AM > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: ADSL with NIC > > > Hello All, > > I heard its possible to hook up a ADSL line (RJ11) directly > into a NIC and > it will operate with pppoed/ppp is this possible? Has > anybody tried this? > > Regards > Mark Bojara > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Drop your carrier... we have you surrounded! > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 29 09:19:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C1137B401 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:19:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [207.200.153.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F239B43F85 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:19:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 19AWEl-0005xn-00; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 07:37:39 -0700 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 07:37:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Mark Bojara In-Reply-To: <20030429160616.D16852-100000@opium.co.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ADSL with NIC X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:19:04 -0000 On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Mark Bojara wrote: > Hello All, > > I heard its possible to hook up a ADSL line (RJ11) directly into a NIC and > it will operate with pppoed/ppp is this possible? Has anybody tried this? ... An ethernet NIC will not work in this way. However, you can purchase an internal ADSL modem, which looks like a NIC to the operating system, but has a phone line jack connector. Beware of using a internal ADSL modem with FreeBSD. Unless it impersonates one of the ethernet chipsets perfectly, it won't work. Tom From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 29 10:04:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195D237B401 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opium.co.za (opium.co.za [196.34.165.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B6043F85 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:04:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@opium.co.za) Received: from mark (helo=localhost) by opium.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19AYX0-000H7w-00; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:04:38 +0200 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:04:38 +0200 (SAST) From: Mark Bojara X-X-Sender: mark@opium.co.za To: Tom Samplonius In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030429190421.B16852-100000@opium.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mark cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ADSL with NIC X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:04:48 -0000 Hi Tom, Do you have any products you could advise for me on this? Regards Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- Can't learn to do something well? Learn to enjoy doing it badly! ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Tom Samplonius wrote: > >On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Mark Bojara wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> I heard its possible to hook up a ADSL line (RJ11) directly into a NIC and >> it will operate with pppoed/ppp is this possible? Has anybody tried this? >... > > An ethernet NIC will not work in this way. However, you can purchase an >internal ADSL modem, which looks like a NIC to the operating system, but >has a phone line jack connector. > > Beware of using a internal ADSL modem with FreeBSD. Unless it >impersonates one of the ethernet chipsets perfectly, it won't work. > >Tom > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 29 10:24:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFB037B401 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.libero.it (smtp1.libero.it [193.70.192.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95EF243F85 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:24:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seba@libero.it) Received: from mi23nt (151.37.34.113) by smtp1.libero.it (7.0.012) id 3E9546860072A1CA for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:24:52 +0200 From: "Sebastiano Scorbati" To: Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:23:56 +0200 Message-ID: <001701c30e74$21672970$0200000a@mi23nt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20030429190421.B16852-100000@opium.co.za> Importance: Normal Subject: R: ADSL with NIC X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:24:55 -0000 Sangoma S518 internal ADSL modem has drivers for *BSD: http://www.sangoma.com/cards_cables/products_cards.htm http://www.sangoma.com/cards_cables/S518-datasheet.pdf Bewan (from France) has a PCI modem known to work under Linux (2.4 kernels), don't know about FreeBSD: http://www.bewan.com/bewan/products/adsl/bwadslpcist.php Hope this helps, Seba. -----Messaggio originale----- Da: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org] Inviato: martedi 29 aprile 2003 19.05 A: Tom Samplonius Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Oggetto: Re: ADSL with NIC Do you have any products you could advise for me on this? From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 29 10:34:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB2137B401 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from complx.LF.net (complx.LF.net [212.9.190.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C05B343FA3 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:34:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lists@complx.LF.net) Received: from lists by complx.LF.net with local (Exim 4.14) id 19AYzw-00056M-EQ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:34:32 +0200 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:34:32 +0200 From: Kurt Jaeger To: Sebastiano Scorbati Message-ID: <20030429173432.GX929@complx.LF.net> References: <20030429190421.B16852-100000@opium.co.za> <001701c30e74$21672970$0200000a@mi23nt> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001701c30e74$21672970$0200000a@mi23nt> cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: R: ADSL with NIC X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: pi@LF.net List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:34:36 -0000 Hi! AVM has a mixed DSL/ISDN card, and source for drivers for Linux 2.4 on its website. http://www.avm.de/de/index.html?Produkte/FRITZCard_DSL/FRITZ_Card_DSL/index.js.html http://www.avm.de/cgi-bin/portal?portal=dsl&datei=Download_neue_Version/Treiber_Stable_linux.html -- MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger 17 years to go ! LF.net GmbH fon +49 711 90074-23 pi@LF.net Ruppmannstr. 27 fax +49 711 90074-33 D-70565 Stuttgart mob +49 171 3101372 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 29 11:58:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF12237B401 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zephir.primus.ca (mail.tor.primus.ca [216.254.136.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C70043F93 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:58:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from 937863@primus.ca) Received: from dialin-133-53.hamilton.primus.ca ([209.90.133.53] helo=Bortas) by zephir.primus.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #3) id 19AaJW-0004CX-0A; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:58:53 -0400 From: "Allan Jude" <937863@primus.ca> To: "'Mark Bojara'" Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:58:43 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <20030429160616.D16852-100000@opium.co.za> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: ADSL with NIC X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:58:57 -0000 You would blow up your NIC card, your RJ11 phone line, carries a 24 volt charge, Ethernet is not charges, just the same as plugging your phone modem line into your NIC, you will break it. DO NOT CONNECT PHONE LINES TO YOUR NIC CARD!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Mark Bojara Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 10:07 AM To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: ADSL with NIC Hello All, I heard its possible to hook up a ADSL line (RJ11) directly into a NIC and it will operate with pppoed/ppp is this possible? Has anybody tried this? Regards Mark Bojara ---------------------------------------------------------------- Drop your carrier... we have you surrounded! ---------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 29 12:46:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E599037B401 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp0.libero.it (smtp0.libero.it [193.70.192.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56BD343F85 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:46:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seba@libero.it) Received: from mi23nt (151.37.34.113) by smtp0.libero.it (7.0.012) id 3E9436120078A5B2 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:46:55 +0200 From: "Sebastiano Scorbati" To: Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:45:41 +0200 Message-ID: <001c01c30e87$eccbd120$0200000a@mi23nt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20030429173432.GX929@complx.LF.net> Importance: Normal Subject: R: R: ADSL with NIC X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:46:58 -0000 Hi Kurt, looks like an interesting option but unfortunately I can't reach AVM.DE website. Is it a card for "ADSL over ISDN" (single RJ-45 jack) or it has two separate jacks (RJ-11 + RJ-45)? The two of them make different use of spectrum. Down here in Italy, if you have BRIs/PRIs and order ADSL, the incumbent will come and install a second "dry loop" (no dial tone, nor phone number) over which you use ADSL without any need for spliters or filters. Seba. -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Kurt Jaeger [mailto:lists@complx.LF.net] Inviato: martedi 29 aprile 2003 19.35 A: Sebastiano Scorbati Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Oggetto: Re: R: ADSL with NIC AVM has a mixed DSL/ISDN card, and source for drivers for Linux 2.4 on its website. http://www.avm.de/de/index.html?Produkte/FRITZCard_DSL/FRITZ_Card_DSL/index. js.html http://www.avm.de/cgi-bin/portal?portal=dsl&datei=Download_neue_Version/Trei ber_Stable_linux.html From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 29 12:53:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8685937B405 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from complx.LF.net (complx.LF.net [212.9.190.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0419B43FBD for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:53:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lists@complx.LF.net) Received: from lists by complx.LF.net with local (Exim 4.14) id 19AbA2-0005Lc-A6; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:53:06 +0200 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:53:06 +0200 From: Kurt Jaeger To: Sebastiano Scorbati Message-ID: <20030429195306.GY929@complx.LF.net> References: <20030429173432.GX929@complx.LF.net> <001c01c30e87$eccbd120$0200000a@mi23nt> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001c01c30e87$eccbd120$0200000a@mi23nt> cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: R: R: ADSL with NIC X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: pi@LF.net List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:53:07 -0000 Hi! > Hi Kurt, looks like an interesting option but unfortunately I can't reach > AVM.DE website. > Is it a card for "ADSL over ISDN" (single RJ-45 jack) or it has two separate > jacks (RJ-11 + RJ-45)? It has two seperate jacks. > The two of them make different use of spectrum. > Down here in Italy, if you have BRIs/PRIs and order ADSL, the incumbent will > come and install a second "dry loop" (no dial tone, nor phone number) over > which you use ADSL without any need for spliters or filters. Aha. In Germany, the incumbent will provide a splitter and one has to purchase a DSL-modem -- or use a router/whatever with a ADSL chipset on it. The AVM has the ADSL port and an ISDN in parallel. Whow, what a mess the telcos made out of a simple product... -- MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger 17 years to go ! LF.net GmbH fon +49 711 90074-23 pi@LF.net Ruppmannstr. 27 fax +49 711 90074-33 D-70565 Stuttgart mob +49 171 3101372 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 29 16:05:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FFB137B401 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A180D43F93 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:05:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cnst@rbcmail.ru) Received: from user74.net755.nc.sprint-hsd.net ([65.41.176.74] helo=rbcmail.ru) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19AeAK-0006Du-00; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:05:36 -0700 Message-ID: <3EAF0524.30500@rbcmail.ru> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:05:08 -0400 From: Constantine User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-gb, ru, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: DHCP X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 23:05:37 -0000 Hello! I have a FreeBSD box with 2 Ethernet cards, win xp notebook, a DSL-modem ZyXEL P645ME+, and a switcher. First I connected the modem directly to win xp, the internet was working. Then I connected FreBSD and the modem to the switcher (I don't have a free crossover cable. Nothing else was connected to that switcher at the time), and win xp to the FreeBSD. The internet was not working on the FreeBSD, though after manually running "ifconfig sis0 192.168.1.18 netmask 255.255.255.252" I could connect to the modem itself, but not to the internet (by default sis0 is set to the DHCP, and the modem supports DHCP, but it does not seem to give an address to the FreeBSD). Question 1: After I have made a few changes to the settings on the FreeBSD box, and restarted the system, I cannot connect to my FreeBSD box anymore. Is there a way to connect to the FreeBSD box, if the network addresses got messed up? One of the interfaces should be set to the DHCP, so is there a way, or an utility for win32 (cygwin, or just windows) to get back my access to the box, or will I need to borrow a monitor to fix that up? Question 2: And the second question is, why the modems DHCP server was not assigning the address to the FreeBSD? Could it be, because it was connected through a switcher? Now my win xp is connected through the same switcher to the same modem, and everything works fine... Just for a reference, these are a few lines that should be in my rc.conf. I was playing with the gateway, natd, and that kind of features, and after restarting I can no longer ping the box through the fxp0 interface with the address stated above. ifconfig_sis0="DHCP" ifconfig_fxp0="inet 192.168.0.18 netmask 255.255.255.0" gateway_enable="YES" Thank you for reading this letter, Constantine. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 29 19:33:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0733C37B401 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [207.200.153.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDBC43FAF for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:33:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 19Afpc-00051z-00; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:52:20 -0700 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:52:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Mark Bojara In-Reply-To: <20030429190421.B16852-100000@opium.co.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ADSL with NIC X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 02:33:54 -0000 Ask your ISP. Only they will know what works best with their DSLAMs. Things are still far from standardized. Tom On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Mark Bojara wrote: > Hi Tom, > > Do you have any products you could advise for me on this? > > Regards > Mark > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Can't learn to do something well? Learn to enjoy doing it badly! > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Tom Samplonius wrote: > > > > >On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Mark Bojara wrote: > > > >> Hello All, > >> > >> I heard its possible to hook up a ADSL line (RJ11) directly into a NIC and > >> it will operate with pppoed/ppp is this possible? Has anybody tried this? > >... > > > > An ethernet NIC will not work in this way. However, you can purchase an > >internal ADSL modem, which looks like a NIC to the operating system, but > >has a phone line jack connector. > > > > Beware of using a internal ADSL modem with FreeBSD. Unless it > >impersonates one of the ethernet chipsets perfectly, it won't work. > > > >Tom > > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 30 00:45:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0029637B401 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 00:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rmt-gw.multiclub.ru (multistroy.rmt.ru [213.252.80.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823B543F3F for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 00:45:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from martin@mcflysr.kurgan.ru) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rmt-gw.multiclub.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24D810D69E for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:45:40 +0400 (MSD) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:45:41 +0400 From: martin mcflysr X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Business X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <929978883.20030430114541@mcflysr.kurgan.ru> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: mailserver for 2,500 users on Intel platform X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: martin mcflysr List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 07:45:53 -0000 Hello freebsd-isp, Somebody has experience of creation of a mail server with use Postfix for service of 2500 users (smtp/pop3) on Intel platform ? Whether it is possible to inform the information on a configuration of such server (processor/memory/discks/OS)? Thank you. -- Best regards from future, HillDale martin mailto:martin@mcflysr.kurgan.ru From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 30 03:21:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334EF37B401 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 03:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from solar.isr.co.jp (solar.isr.co.jp [210.251.64.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EADA543FBD for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 03:21:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from javi@isr.co.jp) Received: from enrique.isr.co.jp (nat.isr.co.jp [210.251.64.163]) by solar.isr.co.jp (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3UALX1b020766 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:21:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from clarke (dhcp02.isr.co.jp [192.168.1.202]) by enrique.isr.co.jp (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h3UALXJ4004031; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:21:33 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:27:44 -0900 From: Javi Lavandeira To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030430192744.695612b1.javi@isr.co.jp> Organization: International Systems Research X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.11 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Possible memory leak? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:21:37 -0000 Hi, I'm running FreeBSD 4.6.2-RELEASE on a 768Mb machine. Everything is working correctly, but I'm a bit worried there could be a memory leak somewhere, because I'm generating some status graphs and active memory is growing slowly. Please take a look at http://www.ag0ny.com/graphs/index.php?action=month to see what I mean. top reports the MySQL as the most memory-hungry: 49679 mysql 2 0 37848K 23104K poll 150:17 0.88% 0.88% mysqld 65009 nobody 2 0 8228K 6400K sbwait 0:06 0.00% 0.00% httpd 65260 nobody 2 0 8196K 6372K accept 0:08 0.00% 0.00% httpd 65005 nobody 2 0 8160K 6336K accept 0:09 0.00% 0.00% httpd 65008 nobody 2 0 8032K 6172K accept 0:09 0.00% 0.00% httpd 65007 nobody 2 0 7888K 6028K sbwait 0:08 0.00% 0.00% httpd 65320 nobody 2 0 7652K 5884K accept 0:08 0.00% 0.00% httpd I'm running Qmail 1.03 , Pure-FTPd 1.0.14, Apache 1.3.27+PHP 4.3.2, SSH (ssh.com's 1.2.33), MySQL 3.22.49, djbdns (tinydns/axfrdns/dnscache) and ppp (I'm on a PPPoE link). Apache is stopped daily for around a second, in order to copy the logs to temp files and process them with Webalizer. MySQL's tables are flushed daily. There are lots of PHP scripts running, most of them also accessing the database. Is this memory behaviour normal, or could there be a problem with my setup? I have two other FreeBSD machines (both 4.5-RELEASE) and their active memory doesn't grow. Their load is very small, though. I've checked the release notes for 4.7-RELEASE and 4.8-RELEASE, but there's nothing related to a memory leak, so I think it is either normal behaviour, or a problem in one of the applications I'm running. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, -- Javier Lavandeira International Systems Research http://www.isr.co.jp From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 30 03:28:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB45037B401 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 03:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from solar.isr.co.jp (solar.isr.co.jp [210.251.64.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B7743FBD for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 03:28:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from javi@isr.co.jp) Received: from enrique.isr.co.jp (nat.isr.co.jp [210.251.64.163]) by solar.isr.co.jp (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3UAS91b020780 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:28:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from clarke (dhcp02.isr.co.jp [192.168.1.202]) by enrique.isr.co.jp (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h3UAS8J4004350; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:28:08 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:34:20 -0900 From: Javi Lavandeira To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030430193420.2fcb78fb.javi@isr.co.jp> In-Reply-To: <20030430192744.695612b1.javi@isr.co.jp> References: <20030430192744.695612b1.javi@isr.co.jp> Organization: International Systems Research X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.11 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Possible memory leak? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:28:11 -0000 Hi again, I forgot: ipfw is also running. Regards, -- Javier Lavandeira International Systems Research http://www.isr.co.jp From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 30 06:37:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 281E737B401 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 06:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ksemat.co.ug (ping.mtn.co.ug [212.88.97.58]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 945F543F75 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 06:37:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ksemat@ksemat.co.ug) Received: by ksemat.co.ug (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EF524FF8A; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:40:31 +0300 (EAT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ksemat.co.ug (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF0CFF88; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:40:31 +0300 (EAT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:40:31 +0300 (EAT) From: Noah K Sematimba To: martin mcflysr In-Reply-To: <929978883.20030430114541@mcflysr.kurgan.ru> Message-ID: <20030430162907.U318@ksemat.co.ug> References: <929978883.20030430114541@mcflysr.kurgan.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mailserver for 2,500 users on Intel platform X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:37:36 -0000 one hint would be that you should consider using database authentication for your mail users and not have them as system users.... OS of course should be FreeBSD. There is a nice howto for installing postfix with mysql/courier-pop3d on http://kirb.insanegenius.net/postfix.html As for system requirements... it really depends on your users and how much they use the service. but conservatively you could still do ok with about 60GB hard disk space, maybe a 1GHZ box with 512MB RAM. Noah. On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, martin mcflysr wrote: > Hello freebsd-isp, > > > Somebody has experience of creation of a mail server with use Postfix > for service of 2500 users (smtp/pop3) on Intel platform ? > > Whether it is possible to inform the information on a configuration of > such server (processor/memory/discks/OS)? > > > Thank you. > > -- > Best regards > from future, HillDale > martin mailto:martin@mcflysr.kurgan.ru > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 30 07:39:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1723637B401 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 07:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fep4.cogeco.net (smtp.cogeco.net [216.221.81.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F1D43FBD for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 07:39:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@dwyers.ca) Received: from tom (d235-131-219.home1.cgocable.net [24.235.131.219]) by fep4.cogeco.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 376FBCB8 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000e01c30f27$4065f230$020010ac@protechnologies> From: "Thomas Dwyer" To: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:46:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Disaster recovery X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:39:40 -0000 Hello We are in the final stages of a migration from Win2k to FreeBSD for Web = Server and Email. Everything is ready for the big switchover. I would like some advice on = disaster recovery planning. What to use for remote backup (tar?). And = with a .tar file, is it possible to resore the /usr partition over top = of a clean FreeBSD install .. etc Thanks From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 30 09:34:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15F137B404 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gray.impulse.net (gray.impulse.net [207.154.64.174]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2035443FAF for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:34:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from secabeen@pobox.com) Received: by gray.impulse.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D682829D; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:34:34 -0700 (PDT) To: martin mcflysr References: <929978883.20030430114541@mcflysr.kurgan.ru> From: Ted Cabeen Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:34:34 -0700 In-Reply-To: <929978883.20030430114541@mcflysr.kurgan.ru> (martin mcflysr's message of "Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:45:41 +0400") Message-ID: <871xzkaqqt.fsf@gray.impulse.net> Lines: 23 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley, i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mailserver for 2,500 users on Intel platform X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:34:36 -0000 martin mcflysr writes: > Somebody has experience of creation of a mail server with use Postfix > for service of 2500 users (smtp/pop3) on Intel platform ? > > Whether it is possible to inform the information on a configuration of > such server (processor/memory/discks/OS)? 2500 users is nothing. You could do that on any machine bigger than 500Mhz with 256MB of memory without any problems. Disk should be how ever much you think you'll need. On average, each user will eat up about 5MB of disk space with POP accounts, and somewhat more with IMAP. If you want to add site-wide SpamAssassin spam-filtering, you'll want a 1Ghz machine at least, preferably with multiple processors, or you'll need to offload the spam-filtering to a seperate box or boxes. -- Ted Cabeen http://www.pobox.com/~secabeen ted@impulse.net Check Website or Keyserver for PGP/GPG Key BA0349D2 secabeen@pobox.com "I have taken all knowledge to be my province." -F. Bacon secabeen@cabeen.org "Human kind cannot bear very much reality."-T.S.Eliot cabeen@netcom.com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 30 09:36:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7D137B401 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gray.impulse.net (gray.impulse.net [207.154.64.174]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DCDA43FB1 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:36:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from secabeen@pobox.com) Received: by gray.impulse.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 60419CE; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:36:31 -0700 (PDT) To: "Thomas Dwyer" References: <000e01c30f27$4065f230$020010ac@protechnologies> From: Ted Cabeen Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:36:31 -0700 In-Reply-To: <000e01c30f27$4065f230$020010ac@protechnologies> ("Thomas Dwyer"'s message of "Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:46:15 -0400") Message-ID: <87vfww9c34.fsf@gray.impulse.net> Lines: 21 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley, i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Disaster recovery X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:36:32 -0000 "Thomas Dwyer" writes: > Hello > > We are in the final stages of a migration from Win2k to FreeBSD for Web Server and Email. > > Everything is ready for the big switchover. I would like some > advice on disaster recovery planning. What to use for remote backup > (tar?). And with a .tar file, is it possible to resore the /usr > partition over top of a clean FreeBSD install .. etc Use AMANDA. It's a nice system that uses FreeBSD's native dump and restore utilites to backup any number of UNIX machines to a central backup server with tape or disk. http://www.amanda.org or misc/amanda-server and misc/amanda-client in the ports tree. -- Ted Cabeen http://www.pobox.com/~secabeen ted@impulse.net Check Website or Keyserver for PGP/GPG Key BA0349D2 secabeen@pobox.com "I have taken all knowledge to be my province." -F. Bacon secabeen@cabeen.org "Human kind cannot bear very much reality."-T.S.Eliot cabeen@netcom.com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 30 09:51:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F1437B401 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from federation.addy.com (addy.com [208.11.142.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E1E43F75 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:51:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@federation.addy.com) Received: from localhost (jim@localhost) by federation.addy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA50428 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:51:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jim@federation.addy.com) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:51:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Sander Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <000e01c30f27$4065f230$020010ac@protechnologies> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Disaster recovery X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:51:12 -0000 > And with a .tar file, is it possible to resore the /usr partition over > top of a clean FreeBSD install .. etc Although it's arguably not the best system, it works. I have done it several times. Problems that I've seen... 1. Can't boot crappy old hardware from CD-ROM to do minimal install 2. Backups dutifully copy corrupt files 3. Trying to "cheat" and not go into single-user mode, thus in-use files aren't overwritten in the restore 4. Kernel/World mismatch problems To get around those problems, I now try to restore into /usr/old or somesuch- and then "manually" move things into place. (if space permits, I keep the "fresh" /usr/* around as well- just in case) You can also... 1. Keep a "clean" install on a spare drive, to speed the process 2. Make sure you do your install from the same CDs you originially used (unless of course you update with cvsup, etc.) 3. Do direct file copies (via scp or NFS) from similarly configured machines on your network This "restore in place" procedure is very simple, and most problems I've had with it are easily resolved. If you can't justify a more complex and/or expensive solution I don't see why it won't work for you. -=Jim=- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 30 12:19:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC78837B401 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:19:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (user38.net339.fl.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B28943FCB for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:19:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bv@wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3UJIvhT087255 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:18:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bv@wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3UJIuH9087254 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:18:55 -0400 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030430191855.GS81487@wjv.com> References: <000e01c30f27$4065f230$020010ac@protechnologies> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000e01c30f27$4065f230$020010ac@protechnologies> Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-26.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) Subject: Re: Disaster recovery X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: bv@wjv.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:19:17 -0000 Wise men talk because they have something to say, however on Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 10:46 , Thomas Dwyer just had to say something so we heard: > Hello > > We are in the final stages of a migration from Win2k to FreeBSD for Web Server and Email. > Everything is ready for the big switchover. I would like some > advice on disaster recovery planning. What to use for remote > backup (tar?). And with a .tar file, is it possible to resore > the /usr partition over top of a clean FreeBSD install .. etc On a couple of commercial systems I semi-maintain [ they seem to run themselves ] I'm using a commercial program so that if anything happens to me the clients get direct support. It's called LoneTar. It backs up the files to tape, rewinds the tape, and does a bit by bit compare of the tape with the HD, and then emails the resutls of both the backup and time it took and if the verify failed and if so what files it failed on. Details at www.cactus.com Disclaimer - I am a reseller of that and another non BSD and know the principals and the author. But it's a damned good program and there is a free download-able demo if you'd like to try it. I used to run it on some SGIs and some SCO systems too. Bill. > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 30 13:31:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8969137B401 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:31:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pan.gwi.net (pan.gwi.net [207.5.128.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE2943FAF for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:31:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ah54@httpsite.com) Received: from andy.gwi.net (blake.gwi.net [207.5.142.8]) by pan.gwi.net (8.12.6p2/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h3UKV2EL092189; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:31:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ah54@httpsite.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.4 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Homepage: http://www.nachoz.com X-PGP-Key: RSA-1024 http://www.nachoz.com/andy.pub X-System-Info-DB: PostgreSQL-7.3.2 X-System-Info-RT: rt-3-0-0 X-System-Info-WM: windowmaker-0.80.2 X-System-Info-httpd: apache-1.3.27_4 X-System-Info-OS: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE #0 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Sender: aharriso@andy.gwi.net From: Andy Harrison To: Eric_Stanfield@kenokozie.com cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: anyone hosting a mud? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:31:05 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 25-Apr-2003, Eric_Stanfield@kenokozie.com wrote message "anyone hosting a mud?" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Got some guys who moved their mud off a RH5.2 box to a FBsd 4.8 box. > They're having issues getting process wrapper scripts to behave so the mud > restarts after a periodic shutdown. Everything else is working ok. > > I know this is probably 10 years too late to be asking, but if anyone is > hosting a mud and can offer some insight shoot me a note. > > Thanks, Install the daemontools port. It can monitor the process and restart it if needed. ~~ Andy Harrison ah##@httpsite.com ICQ: 123472 AIM/Y!: AHinMaine [full headers for details] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPrAynFPEkLgodAWVAQEHVQP+KKIiPhYI4F5nhgaSdYh5B66h9pQpiBv8 Iu/AA2GklVjQFNaMhrzFp/iz1AoEhlwXNlLKoNXY0unZSXH00ejOXgv/DLCh7lRH sDgoAOfccoB7iN9yKKMTPAsju6oTgFsqL497d8/NVnF2B+6R3M+WhM5ao9LOysKX +NZfkYhn/iQ= =Xps2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 1 08:26:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B5637B401 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 08:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from solomon.four10.com (solomon.four10.com [66.252.192.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AC07543FA3 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 08:26:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tech@four10.com) Received: (qmail 9360 invoked from network); 1 May 2003 14:27:26 -0000 Received: from wc-du-141-193-252-66.wcox.com (HELO blaq) (66.252.193.141) by solomon.four10.com with SMTP; 1 May 2003 14:27:26 -0000 Message-ID: <01a701c30ff5$ce1877a0$22c9fc42@blaq> From: "Onyi C. Ejiasa" To: "Constantine" , "freebsd-isp" References: <3EAF0524.30500@rbcmail.ru> Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:24:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="KOI8-R" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Re: DHCP X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Onyi C. Ejiasa" List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:26:30 -0000 Constantine, Sounds like a dilemma. I would say that the short answer is you need to = hook up a keyboard and monitor to your box and run an ifconfig to see = what address is listed per interface. You could probably figure this out = with a bunch of painful guesswork, but you don't want to put yourself = thru all that if you don't have to. I am confused with the whole "switcher" thing. What the heck is that? = Are you referring to a 10base/100base switch or hub of some sort? My = recommendation to you would be to get an inexpensive hub and a crossover = cable. Connect these to your ZyXEL. Connect your BSD box and your laptop = directly to the hub using straight thru cables. This will allow you to use/test/diagnose/whatever both boxes independent = of eachother. Regardless if the BSD box is wiggin' out or not, the WinXP = comp. should work (and vise versa). If this is not a option, then answer me some questions... 1.] What happens if you hook the DHCP nic on the FreeBSD box directly to = the ZyXEL WITHOUT the "switcher"? Does it report an IP after running = ifconfig? 2.] DO the same thing with the other network card in the BSD box. Are = you able to ping from it to the router with an assigned ip on the same = network? -------------------------------------------------------------- Onyi C. Ejiasa BlaQmail.com - Empower your e-mail. -------------------------------------------------------------- Vote for my install @ sounddomain.com! http://www.sounddomain.com/id/blaqaltima -------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Constantine=20 To: freebsd-isp=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: DHCP Hello! I have a FreeBSD box with 2 Ethernet cards, win xp notebook, a = DSL-modem=20 ZyXEL P645ME+, and a switcher. First I connected the modem directly to win xp, the internet was = working. Then I connected FreBSD and the modem to the switcher (I don't have a=20 free crossover cable. Nothing else was connected to that switcher at = the=20 time), and win xp to the FreeBSD. The internet was not working on the=20 FreeBSD, though after manually running "ifconfig sis0 192.168.1.18=20 netmask 255.255.255.252" I could connect to the modem itself, but not = to=20 the internet (by default sis0 is set to the DHCP, and the modem = supports=20 DHCP, but it does not seem to give an address to the FreeBSD). Question 1: After I have made a few changes to the settings on the FreeBSD box, = and=20 restarted the system, I cannot connect to my FreeBSD box anymore. Is=20 there a way to connect to the FreeBSD box, if the network addresses = got=20 messed up? One of the interfaces should be set to the DHCP, so is = there=20 a way, or an utility for win32 (cygwin, or just windows) to get back = my=20 access to the box, or will I need to borrow a monitor to fix that up? Question 2: And the second question is, why the modems DHCP server was not = assigning=20 the address to the FreeBSD? Could it be, because it was connected=20 through a switcher? Now my win xp is connected through the same = switcher=20 to the same modem, and everything works fine... Just for a reference, these are a few lines that should be in my=20 rc.conf. I was playing with the gateway, natd, and that kind of=20 features, and after restarting I can no longer ping the box through = the=20 fxp0 interface with the address stated above. ifconfig_sis0=3D"DHCP" ifconfig_fxp0=3D"inet 192.168.0.18 netmask 255.255.255.0" gateway_enable=3D"YES" Thank you for reading this letter, Constantine. _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 1 08:57:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA0137B401 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 08:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pendragon.tacni.net (pendragon.tacni.net [66.17.129.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B75343F3F for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 08:57:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom.oneil@tacni.com) Received: (qmail 56121 invoked by uid 85); 1 May 2003 15:57:48 -0000 Received: from tom.oneil@tacni.com by pendragon.tacni.net by uid 81 with qmail-scanner-1.15 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4200. Clear:. Processed in 0.947921 secs); 01 May 2003 15:57:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tacni.com) (66.190.75.60) by pendragon.tacni.net with SMTP; 1 May 2003 15:57:46 -0000 Message-ID: <3EB14402.5040407@tacni.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 10:57:54 -0500 From: Tom ONeil User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp References: <3EAF0524.30500@rbcmail.ru> <01a701c30ff5$ce1877a0$22c9fc42@blaq> In-Reply-To: <01a701c30ff5$ce1877a0$22c9fc42@blaq> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: DHCP X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:57:52 -0000 MAC filtering from your provider. Onyi C. Ejiasa wrote: > Constantine, > > Sounds like a dilemma. I would say that the short answer is you need to hook up a keyboard and monitor to your box and run an ifconfig to see what address is listed per interface. You could probably figure this out with a bunch of painful guesswork, but you don't want to put yourself thru all that if you don't have to. > > I am confused with the whole "switcher" thing. What the heck is that? Are you referring to a 10base/100base switch or hub of some sort? My recommendation to you would be to get an inexpensive hub and a crossover cable. Connect these to your ZyXEL. Connect your BSD box and your laptop directly to the hub using straight thru cables. > > This will allow you to use/test/diagnose/whatever both boxes independent of eachother. Regardless if the BSD box is wiggin' out or not, the WinXP comp. should work (and vise versa). > > If this is not a option, then answer me some questions... > > 1.] What happens if you hook the DHCP nic on the FreeBSD box directly to the ZyXEL WITHOUT the "switcher"? Does it report an IP after running ifconfig? > 2.] DO the same thing with the other network card in the BSD box. Are you able to ping from it to the router with an assigned ip on the same network? > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Onyi C. Ejiasa > BlaQmail.com - Empower your e-mail. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Vote for my install @ sounddomain.com! > http://www.sounddomain.com/id/blaqaltima > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Constantine > To: freebsd-isp > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 5:05 PM > Subject: DHCP > > > Hello! > > I have a FreeBSD box with 2 Ethernet cards, win xp notebook, a DSL-modem > ZyXEL P645ME+, and a switcher. > First I connected the modem directly to win xp, the internet was working. > Then I connected FreBSD and the modem to the switcher (I don't have a > free crossover cable. Nothing else was connected to that switcher at the > time), and win xp to the FreeBSD. The internet was not working on the > FreeBSD, though after manually running "ifconfig sis0 192.168.1.18 > netmask 255.255.255.252" I could connect to the modem itself, but not to > the internet (by default sis0 is set to the DHCP, and the modem supports > DHCP, but it does not seem to give an address to the FreeBSD). > > Question 1: > After I have made a few changes to the settings on the FreeBSD box, and > restarted the system, I cannot connect to my FreeBSD box anymore. Is > there a way to connect to the FreeBSD box, if the network addresses got > messed up? One of the interfaces should be set to the DHCP, so is there > a way, or an utility for win32 (cygwin, or just windows) to get back my > access to the box, or will I need to borrow a monitor to fix that up? > > Question 2: > And the second question is, why the modems DHCP server was not assigning > the address to the FreeBSD? Could it be, because it was connected > through a switcher? Now my win xp is connected through the same switcher > to the same modem, and everything works fine... > > Just for a reference, these are a few lines that should be in my > rc.conf. I was playing with the gateway, natd, and that kind of > features, and after restarting I can no longer ping the box through the > fxp0 interface with the address stated above. > ifconfig_sis0="DHCP" > ifconfig_fxp0="inet 192.168.0.18 netmask 255.255.255.0" > gateway_enable="YES" > > Thank you for reading this letter, > Constantine. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 1 09:43:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F8C37B401 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 09:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from psknet.com (grant.psknet.com [63.171.251.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A3E1A43FA3 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 09:43:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troy@psknet.com) Received: (qmail 1068 invoked by uid 85); 1 May 2003 16:43:50 -0000 Received: from troy@psknet.com by grant.psknet.com by uid 25 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (no such scanner Clear:. Processed in 0.222991 secs); 01 May 2003 16:43:50 -0000 Received: from dilbert.psknet.com (HELO dilbert) (63.171.251.35) by tc.psknet.com with SMTP; 1 May 2003 16:43:50 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 12:43:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c31000$d7d104f0$23fbab3f@psknet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: MySQL X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 16:43:52 -0000 What's the verdict on MySQL? Is 4.0.x stable, or should I stick with 3.x for now? The box is: Dual 2.4 XEON 4GB RAM U160 RAID1 TIA, -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks http://www.psknet.com 540.994.4254 - 866.477.5638 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 1 10:53:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29CA37B401 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 10:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tcworks.net (mail.tcworks.net [216.61.218.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E0A943FBD for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 10:53:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Received: from tcworks.net (stp.tcworks.net [216.61.218.6]) by mail.tcworks.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h41Hq4tL028049 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 12:52:04 -0500 (CDT) Sender: xcess@mail.tcworks.net Message-ID: <3EB15FB2.ED7EA7D0@tcworks.net> Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 12:56:02 -0500 From: Chris Cook X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.1(snapshot 20020920) (mail.tcworks.net) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-100.0 required=7.0 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.50 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Subject: SpamAssassin Rulesets X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 17:53:20 -0000 Does anyone have a really good local.cf for their SpamAssassin installs that they use in a real-world ISP environment? I figured this would be a good place to ask if people were willing to share their "tweaked" config to help the spam fighters. Of course being in the ISP environment the config would have to be somewhat forgiving. Thanks for any feedback. -- Chris o----< ccook@tcworks.net >------------------------------------o |Chris Cook - Admin |TCWORKS.NET - http://www.tcworks.net | |The Computer Works ISP |FreeBSD - http://www.freebsd.org | o-------------------------------------------------------------o From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 1 10:59:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C33C037B401 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 10:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imail.sopris.net (imail.sopris.net [216.237.72.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2580643F3F for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 10:59:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dale@sopris.net) Received: from AHRENS ([216.237.74.2]) by imail.sopris.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h41Hxgpi025724; Thu, 1 May 2003 11:59:42 -0600 (MDT) From: "Dale Ahrens" To: "'Thomas Dwyer'" , Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 11:57:46 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: RE: Disaster recovery X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 17:59:45 -0000 If funds permit, have a completely redundant FreeBSD machine standing by. Use cron and rsync to periodically copy data files over to the secondary machine. If the primary machine fails, simply change the IP number of the secondary machine to that of the primary, and viola, you are back online. Of course you will lose any emails or web data that has changed since the last rsync, but you lose data anyway if you have to get it off a tap. Any databases will need a "point of failure" recovery scheme. Also, you may want to put a tape drive in the secondary machine and backup the rsync'd data to the tape. This removes the tape backup task from your primary machine. Dale Ahrens Chief Technology Officer Sopris Surfers, Inc. 970-963-7873 dale@sopris.net www.sopris.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Thomas Dwyer Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 8:46 AM To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Disaster recovery Hello We are in the final stages of a migration from Win2k to FreeBSD for Web Server and Email. Everything is ready for the big switchover. I would like some advice on disaster recovery planning. What to use for remote backup (tar?). And with a .tar file, is it possible to resore the /usr partition over top of a clean FreeBSD install .. etc Thanks _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 1 12:35:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5455E37B401 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 12:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.beine-computer.de (host3.beine-computer.de [80.243.45.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5FD9243FAF for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 12:35:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gerrit@beine-computer.de) Received: (qmail 69975 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2003 19:35:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beine-computer.de) (80.243.45.234) by host3.beine-computer.de with SMTP; 1 May 2003 19:35:57 -0000 Message-ID: <3EB1770F.1060209@beine-computer.de> Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 21:35:43 +0200 From: Gerrit Beine User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030313 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troy Settle References: <000b01c31000$d7d104f0$23fbab3f@psknet.com> In-Reply-To: <000b01c31000$d7d104f0$23fbab3f@psknet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MySQL X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 19:35:53 -0000 Troy Settle wrote: > What's the verdict on MySQL? Is 4.0.x stable, or should I stick with > 3.x for now? > > The box is: > > Dual 2.4 XEON > 4GB RAM > U160 RAID1 > The MySQL version 4.0.12 is of course stable. We use it on a server on which it have to handle 1.6 Terabytes per month. No problems, it's very fast and reliable. So long... Gerrit -- beine computer support für open source software morgenbergstrasse 19 / 4325 08525 plauen fon: 0049 3741 581 325 mail: info@beine-computer.de url: http://www.beine-computer.de From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 2 07:32:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A64837B407 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 07:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from accounts.amigo.net (smtp.amigo.net [209.94.64.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D5543FA3 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 07:32:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randys@amigo.net) Received: from stalker.amigo.net ([209.94.67.250]) by accounts.amigo.net with esmtp; Fri, 02 May 2003 08:32:01 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 08:33:07 -0600 (MDT) From: Randy Smith X-X-Sender: randy@stalker.amigo.net To: Chris Cook In-Reply-To: <3EB15FB2.ED7EA7D0@tcworks.net> Message-ID: <20030502082810.R1406-100000@stalker.amigo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: SpamAssassin Rulesets X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 14:32:04 -0000 On Thu, 1 May 2003, Chris Cook wrote: > Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 12:56:02 -0500 > From: Chris Cook > To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" > Subject: SpamAssassin Rulesets > > Does anyone have a really good local.cf for their SpamAssassin installs > that they use in a real-world ISP environment? I figured this would be > a good place to ask if people were willing to share their "tweaked" > config to help the spam fighters. Of course being in the ISP > environment the config would have to be somewhat forgiving. > > Thanks for any feedback. > Below is what I use. I allow users to set their own settings stored in a mysql db. Note: the 'defang_mime' and 'report_header' went away with SA 2.50-ish. (I just haven't pulled them from my config yet.) ----- use_dcc 0 spam_level_stars 0 skip_rbl_checks 0 dcc_add_header 1 allow_user_rules 0 all_spam_to postmaster@amigo.net abuse@amigo.net # User configurable via web page. rewrite_subject 0 report_header 1 defang_mime 0 use_terse_report 0 user_scores_dsn DBI:mysql:Accounts:10.1.1.1 user_scores_sql_username user_scores_sql_password user_scores_sql_table SA_userprefs -- Randy Smith Amigo.Net Systems Administrator 1-719-589-6100 x 4185 http://www.amigo.net/ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 2 08:00:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F9B37B401 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 08:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alcatraz.wolfpaw.net (alcatraz.wolfpaw.net [204.209.44.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 41B1943FCB for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 08:00:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from admin-lists@wolfpaw.net) Received: (qmail 26494 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2003 14:59:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wolf) (216.123.201.128) by 0 with SMTP; 2 May 2003 14:59:35 -0000 From: "Wolfpaw - Dale Corse" To: "Randy Smith" Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:14:05 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20030502082810.R1406-100000@stalker.amigo.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: SpamAssassin Rulesets X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 15:00:13 -0000 Hi Randy, User config from a webpage.. very nice. Could you perhaps expand more on how to do that? I see what appears to be defaults in your config there.. but how does spamassassin know what the user selects? Doing it via a webpage would be nice and smooth, If you wouldn't mind dropping a few hints I would appreciate it :) Regards, Dale. -------------------------------- Dale Corse System Administrator Wolfpaw Services Inc. http://www.wolfpaw.net (780) 474-4095 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Randy Smith > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 8:33 AM > To: Chris Cook > Cc: > Subject: Re: SpamAssassin Rulesets > > > On Thu, 1 May 2003, Chris Cook wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 12:56:02 -0500 > > From: Chris Cook > > To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" > > Subject: SpamAssassin Rulesets > > > > Does anyone have a really good local.cf for their > SpamAssassin installs > > that they use in a real-world ISP environment? I figured > this would be > > a good place to ask if people were willing to share their > "tweaked" > > config to help the spam fighters. Of course being in the ISP > > environment the config would have to be somewhat forgiving. > > > > Thanks for any feedback. > > > > Below is what I use. I allow users to set their own > settings stored in a > mysql db. Note: the 'defang_mime' and 'report_header' went > away with SA > 2.50-ish. (I just haven't pulled them from my config yet.) > > ----- > > use_dcc 0 > spam_level_stars 0 > skip_rbl_checks 0 > dcc_add_header 1 > allow_user_rules 0 > all_spam_to postmaster@amigo.net abuse@amigo.net > > # User configurable via web page. > rewrite_subject 0 > report_header 1 > defang_mime 0 > use_terse_report 0 > > user_scores_dsn DBI:mysql:Accounts:10.1.1.1 > user_scores_sql_username > user_scores_sql_password > user_scores_sql_table SA_userprefs > > > > -- > Randy Smith > Amigo.Net Systems Administrator > 1-719-589-6100 x 4185 > http://www.amigo.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 2 08:42:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E952437B401 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 08:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.148]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F8B43FB1 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 08:42:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daubma@rpi.edu) Received: from grievous (alb-24-194-38-97.nycap.rr.com [24.194.38.97]) h42Fg9Gm016233; Fri, 2 May 2003 11:42:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Aaron Daubman" To: "'Wolfpaw - Dale Corse'" , "'Randy Smith'" Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:42:48 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c310c1$7c305260$cd00a8c0@grievous> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: SpamAssassin Rulesets X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 15:42:14 -0000 Not to but-in, but here's one: http://webuserprefs.pipegrep.net/ (does indeed sound interesting) Cheers, ~Aaron -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Wolfpaw - Dale Corse Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:14 AM To: Randy Smith Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: SpamAssassin Rulesets Hi Randy, User config from a webpage.. very nice. Could you perhaps expand more on how to do that? I see what appears to be defaults in your config there.. but how does spamassassin know what the user selects? Doing it via a webpage would be nice and smooth, If you wouldn't mind dropping a few hints I would appreciate it :) Regards, Dale. -------------------------------- Dale Corse System Administrator Wolfpaw Services Inc. http://www.wolfpaw.net (780) 474-4095 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Randy Smith > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 8:33 AM > To: Chris Cook > Cc: > Subject: Re: SpamAssassin Rulesets > > > On Thu, 1 May 2003, Chris Cook wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 12:56:02 -0500 > > From: Chris Cook > > To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" > > Subject: SpamAssassin Rulesets > > > > Does anyone have a really good local.cf for their > SpamAssassin installs > > that they use in a real-world ISP environment? I figured > this would be > > a good place to ask if people were willing to share their > "tweaked" > > config to help the spam fighters. Of course being in the ISP > > environment the config would have to be somewhat forgiving. > > > > Thanks for any feedback. > > > > Below is what I use. I allow users to set their own > settings stored in a > mysql db. Note: the 'defang_mime' and 'report_header' went > away with SA > 2.50-ish. (I just haven't pulled them from my config yet.) > > ----- > > use_dcc 0 > spam_level_stars 0 > skip_rbl_checks 0 > dcc_add_header 1 > allow_user_rules 0 > all_spam_to postmaster@amigo.net abuse@amigo.net > > # User configurable via web page. > rewrite_subject 0 > report_header 1 > defang_mime 0 > use_terse_report 0 > > user_scores_dsn DBI:mysql:Accounts:10.1.1.1 > user_scores_sql_username > user_scores_sql_password > user_scores_sql_table SA_userprefs > > > > -- > Randy Smith > Amigo.Net Systems Administrator > 1-719-589-6100 x 4185 > http://www.amigo.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 2 18:00:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A712937B401 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 18:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from praetor.linc-it.com (hardtime.linuxman.net [66.147.26.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCFA943F3F for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 18:00:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from mortis.over-yonder.net (adsl-32-251-198.jan.bellsouth.net [67.32.251.198]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by praetor.linc-it.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6247C15225; Fri, 2 May 2003 20:00:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mortis.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 17B8620F03; Fri, 2 May 2003 20:00:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 20:00:17 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Ted Cabeen Message-ID: <20030503010017.GF27042@over-yonder.net> References: <929978883.20030430114541@mcflysr.kurgan.ru> <871xzkaqqt.fsf@gray.impulse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <871xzkaqqt.fsf@gray.impulse.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i-fullermd.1 X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: martin mcflysr Subject: Re: mailserver for 2,500 users on Intel platform X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 01:00:33 -0000 On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 09:34:34AM -0700 I heard the voice of Ted Cabeen, and lo! it spake thus: > > 2500 users is nothing. You could do that on any machine bigger than > 500Mhz with 256MB of memory without any problems. Disk should be how > ever much you think you'll need. On average, each user will eat up > about 5MB of disk space with POP accounts, and somewhat more with > IMAP. You're crazy 8-} I've run that many users on a Pentium Pro 180 with 128 megs of RAM, on a 4 gig disk. Of course, it was pretty full on disk space, but it was loafing along on the rest. -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 3 07:32:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55D5137B401 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 07:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from psknet.com (grant.psknet.com [63.171.251.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4AF0543F3F for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 07:32:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troy@psknet.com) Received: (qmail 94906 invoked by uid 85); 3 May 2003 14:32:34 -0000 Received: from troy@psknet.com by grant.psknet.com by uid 25 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (no such scanner Clear:. Processed in 0.508309 secs); 03 May 2003 14:32:34 -0000 Received: from pool-141-152-70-91.roa.east.verizon.net (HELO abyss) (141.152.70.91) by tc.psknet.com with SMTP; 3 May 2003 14:32:33 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: "'Matthew D. Fuller'" , "'Ted Cabeen'" Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 10:32:49 -0400 Message-ID: <003501c31180$e0555280$aa8ffea9@abyss> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030503010017.GF27042@over-yonder.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: 'martin mcflysr' Subject: RE: mailserver for 2,500 users on Intel platform X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 14:32:36 -0000 Agreed. I typically see 1MB per user on average, even with 10% of the people using webmail. YMMV. Also, Mail is not CPU or Memory intensive. It's IO intensive if anything, and not even that with just 2500 users. I'd run that on just about anything over a PPRO with at least 128MB RAM. But, if you're going to engage in any antivirus or antispam scanning, then you'll need more CPU/RAM. My AV machine (PIII/1GHZ/512MB) keeps up with ~5k users (~20k messages a day) without breaking a sweat, though it did manage to destroy a brand new 7200RPM ATA100 HD in about 6 months. -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks http://www.psknet.com 540.994.4254 ~ 866.477.5638 Pulaski Chamber 2002 Small Business Of The Year > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Matthew D. Fuller > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:00 PM > To: Ted Cabeen > Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; martin mcflysr > Subject: Re: mailserver for 2,500 users on Intel platform > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 09:34:34AM -0700 I heard the voice of > Ted Cabeen, and lo! it spake thus: > > > > 2500 users is nothing. You could do that on any machine bigger than > > 500Mhz with 256MB of memory without any problems. Disk > should be how > > ever much you think you'll need. On average, each user will eat up > > about 5MB of disk space with POP accounts, and somewhat more with > > IMAP. > > You're crazy 8-} > > I've run that many users on a Pentium Pro 180 with 128 megs > of RAM, on a > 4 gig disk. > > Of course, it was pretty full on disk space, but it was > loafing along on > the rest. > > > > -- > Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net > Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ > > "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I > haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 3 15:36:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BD137B401 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 15:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gateway.serverguy.net (c17867.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au [211.28.102.221]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A9ED843F93 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 15:36:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mailreader@optushome.com.au) Received: (qmail 15512 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 08:37:08 +1000 Received: from forseti.serverguy.net (HELO forseti) (root@192.168.0.1) by gateway.serverguy.net with SMTP; 4 May 2003 08:37:08 +1000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: freebsd-list@tac-au.com To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 08:40:46 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03050408404601.00254@forseti> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: tom@dwyers.ca Subject: Re: Disaster recovery X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-list@tac-au.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 22:36:11 -0000 To add to this, if you have two machines you could run the vrrpd to do the IP change for you. On Friday 02 May 2003 03:57, you wrote: > If funds permit, have a completely redundant FreeBSD machine standing by. > Use cron and rsync to periodically copy data files over to the secondary > machine. If the primary machine fails, simply change the IP number of the > secondary machine to that of the primary, and viola, you are back online. > Of course you will lose any emails or web data that has changed since the > last rsync, but you lose data anyway if you have to get it off a tap. Any > databases will need a "point of failure" recovery scheme. > > Also, you may want to put a tape drive in the secondary machine and backup > the rsync'd data to the tape. This removes the tape backup task from your > primary machine. > > Dale Ahrens > Chief Technology Officer > Sopris Surfers, Inc. > 970-963-7873 > dale@sopris.net > www.sopris.net > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Thomas Dwyer > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 8:46 AM > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Disaster recovery > > > Hello > > We are in the final stages of a migration from Win2k to FreeBSD for Web > Server and Email. > > Everything is ready for the big switchover. I would like some advice on > disaster recovery planning. What to use for remote backup (tar?). And > with a .tar file, is it possible to resore the /usr partition over top of a > clean FreeBSD install .. etc > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Cheers, Travers mailreader@optushome.com.au From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 3 16:34:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7801937B401 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 16:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rigel.orionsys.com (rigel.orionsys.com [64.7.181.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681DD43F85 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 16:34:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbabler@rigel.orionsys.com) Received: from rigel.orionsys.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rigel.orionsys.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h43NYLFe038012 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 16:34:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbabler@rigel.orionsys.com) X-Envelope-From: dbabler@rigel.orionsys.com X-Envelope-To: X-Envelope-Host: freebsd.org. Received: from localhost (dbabler@localhost)h43NL129034147 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 16:21:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbabler@rigel.orionsys.com) Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 16:21:01 -0700 (PDT) From: David Babler To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030503160901.M43544@rigel.orionsys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Email migration from VopMail X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 23:34:27 -0000 I have a customer who wants to move his dialup customers (600+ accounts) from VopMail on Windows 2000 to Unix. So far, so good. Unfortunately, he has all of his customers configured with a non-standard setup that VopMail supports for virtual domains, though 98% of them are in the real domain. Specifically he has them all set up to present a "username" as 'user@example.com', the same as their realmed dialup login. He needs SMTP, ASMTP, POP3 and IMAP. He DOES NOT want to have to have any customers change their setups or email addresses and I am having a devil of a time explaining how non-standard VopMail is. Does anybody know of any way that sendmail or postfix and anybody's POP3 and IMAP can be forced into authenticating with such a non-standard login? -Dave From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 3 16:56:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5607337B401 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 16:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1E743FBD for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 16:56:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@alm.xs4all.nl) Received: from alm.xs4all.nl (alm.xs4all.nl [213.84.122.28]) by smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h43Nucc2049901 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 01:56:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 18393 invoked by uid 1000); 3 May 2003 23:56:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 01:56:38 +0200 From: Alson van der Meulen To: David Babler Message-ID: <20030503235638.GC2853@alm.xs4all.nl> References: <20030503160901.M43544@rigel.orionsys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030503160901.M43544@rigel.orionsys.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Email migration from VopMail X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 23:56:42 -0000 * David Babler [2003-05-04 01:34]: > I have a customer who wants to move his dialup customers (600+ accounts) > from VopMail on Windows 2000 to Unix. So far, so good. Unfortunately, he > has all of his customers configured with a non-standard setup that > VopMail supports for virtual domains, though 98% of them are in the real > domain. Specifically he has them all set up to present a "username" as > 'user@example.com', the same as their realmed dialup login. Vpopmail: http://inter7.com/vpopmail.html should be able to do what you want, it supports usernames like 'user@domain'. It's designed to work with the qmail MTA, but the website explains how to make it work with postfix. It's in the ports under mail/vpopmail-stable. > He needs SMTP, ASMTP, POP3 and IMAP. He DOES NOT want to have to have > any customers change their setups or email addresses and I am having a > devil of a time explaining how non-standard VopMail is. Does anybody > know of any way that sendmail or postfix and anybody's POP3 and IMAP can > be forced into authenticating with such a non-standard login? SMTP will obviously be handled by sendmail/postfix. Since courier-imap is listed as compatible with vpopmail, I assume you can use it for POP3 and IMAP. The only disadvantage is that vpopmail is designed to work with qmail, so it uses the same tools and syntax (tcpserver, /var/qmail/control). For ASMTP, look under SASL on http://www.postfix.org/docs.html. I assume this can be done with sendmail too, but I'm not sure whether sendmail works with vpopmail. HTH, Alson From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 3 17:51:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FCE37B401 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 17:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailsrv.amplex.net (mailsrv.amplex.net [64.246.100.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89CF443FBD for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 17:51:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@amplex.net) Received: from marktoshiba (64-246-109-10.amplex.net [64.246.109.10] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mailsrv.amplex.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h440pahc044690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 20:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012c01c311d7$41c4e750$0a6df640@amplex.net> From: "Mark Radabaugh" To: References: <20030503160901.M43544@rigel.orionsys.com> Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 20:51:08 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: Email migration from VopMail X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 00:51:15 -0000 > domain. Specifically he has them all set up to present a "username" as > 'user@example.com', the same as their realmed dialup login. > > He needs SMTP, ASMTP, POP3 and IMAP. He DOES NOT want to have to have That is our standard setup with sendmail, cyrus pop3 and imap. Sending the @domain.net doesn't cause any problems. I don't know that we did anything special. Did you try it and see what happens? Mark From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 3 17:56:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C4D37B401 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 17:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailsrv.amplex.net (mailsrv.amplex.net [64.246.100.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A8643F75 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 17:56:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@amplex.net) Received: from marktoshiba (64-246-109-10.amplex.net [64.246.109.10] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mailsrv.amplex.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h440v6hc045319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 20:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <014401c311d8$05149930$0a6df640@amplex.net> From: "Mark Radabaugh" To: References: <20030503160901.M43544@rigel.orionsys.com> <012c01c311d7$41c4e750$0a6df640@amplex.net> Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 20:56:37 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: Email migration from VopMail X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 00:56:42 -0000 > > domain. Specifically he has them all set up to present a "username" as > > 'user@example.com', the same as their realmed dialup login. > > > > He needs SMTP, ASMTP, POP3 and IMAP. He DOES NOT want to have to have > > That is our standard setup with sendmail, cyrus pop3 and imap. Sending the > @domain.net doesn't cause any problems. I don't know that we did anything > special. Did you try it and see what happens? > > Mark Hum... Then again I guess we did do something special. Take a look at pwcheck in cyrus-sasl: "Pwcheck is a daemon for permitting the SASL library to check passwords against the shadow password database." Mark Radabaugh Amplex (419) 720-3635