From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 3 21:40:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6C337B401; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 21:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.webcraft99.com (blis.bernama.com [202.188.124.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA3043F93; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 21:40:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from one@ensabahnur.net) Received: from localhost (beta.webcraft99.com [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.webcraft99.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA1F19308; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:40:33 +0800 (MYT) Received: from mailhub.webcraft99.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (beta.webcraft99.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 34655-10; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:40:28 +0800 (MYT) Received: from ensabahnur.net (unknown [202.157.203.86]) by mailhub.webcraft99.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D776319306; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:40:24 +0800 (MYT) Message-ID: <3F2DE3B6.6050409@ensabahnur.net> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 12:40:22 +0800 From: En Sabah Nur User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030721 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhub.webcraft99.com Subject: DNS Server Farm X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 04:40:38 -0000 Hi there Our company has inherited/bought an ISP outfit which has around 2 million subscribers. Among our first priority is to upgrade the DNS service which has been abysmal according to the users Can someone give me a head-start on a recommended configuration for such DNS outlay which serves 2M+ dial-up users? Are multiple Bind boxes with a hardware load-balancer sufficient and up to the job? If so, which hardware solution (load-balancer) should I be shortlisting? Most of the users' complains has been requests time-outs and bad uptimes, which suggest bad load management and redundancy. As I am most comfortable with FreeBSD, and I intend to deploy it across the boxes we inherited with the deal. Having said that, we do have some Solaris boxens which is lying around. Any ideas and guides is greatly appreciated Thanks -- En Sabah Nur -------------------------------------- Living in LA is like not having a date on Saturday night. -- Candice Bergen From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 3 22:37:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD35F37B401 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 22:37:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from solar.isr.co.jp (solar.isr.co.jp [210.251.64.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8EEDA43F85 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 22:36:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from javi@isr.co.jp) Received: (qmail 1330 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 14:36:57 +0900 Received: from nat.isr.co.jp (HELO enrique.isr.co.jp) (proxyuser@210.251.64.163) by solar.isr.co.jp with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 14:36:57 +0900 Received: (qmail 29438 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 14:36:57 +0900 Received: from dhcp02.isr.co.jp (HELO ?192.168.1.202?) (192.168.1.202) by enrique.isr.co.jp with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 14:36:57 +0900 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 14:39:02 +0900 From: Javi Lavandeira To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3F2DE3B6.6050409@ensabahnur.net> References: <3F2DE3B6.6050409@ensabahnur.net> Message-Id: <20030804142008.AFE2.JAVI@isr.co.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.06.02 Subject: Re: DNS Server Farm X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 05:37:01 -0000 Hi, > Our company has inherited/bought an ISP outfit which has around 2=20 > million subscribers. Among our first priority is to upgrade the DNS=20 > service which has been abysmal according to the users >=20 > Can someone give me a head-start on a recommended configuration for such= =20 > DNS outlay which serves 2M+ dial-up users? I assume the DNS server(s) will be doing name resolution and caching for your customers , am I right? Will you also be hosting the DNS zones of your customers' domains? How many maximum concurrent users do you have? I would go for a djbdns box (http://cr.yp.to/djbdns.html). Use tinydns to serve your DNS zones, and dnscache to provide resolving anc caching. Pro= bably you won't be needing a very powerful machine, but since your company seems to have enough resources, I guess it won't hurt to buy a big one. About the performance, two quotes from the djbdns FAQ: "One site reported receiving 500 queries per second per server at peak times for data from a 350-megabyte data.cdb. The tinydns process handled about 7000 queries per second of CPU time. The CPU was a Pentium III-550. This example, and lab tests, suggest that tinydns can easily handle the =2Ecom server load. However, I don't have enough data on the distribution of .com queries to carry out a realistic experiment." "cr.yp.to, which among other things handles a million mailing-list deliveries in a typical week, has been using dnscache since Christmas 1999. In a typical 4-week period, dnscache used 128 minutes of CPU time on a Pentium II-350, handling 13.7 million queries and receiving 210 megabytes of data to cache. I did a huge Internet survey through dnscache, handling nearly a million PTR queries for random IP addresses in 4.5 hours on a Pentium-133." So, I would advice to install djbdns and do some stress tests. Then you can decide whether you'll be needing another machine or not. Best regards, -- Javi Lavandeira International Systems Research http://www.isr.co.jp From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 4 08:51:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B580F37B415; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Chow.corp.media.net (rottie.media.net [66.113.65.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 135D143F75; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:51:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from max.clark@media.net) Received: from MCLARK (76.0.6.10.IN-ADDR.ARPA [10.6.0.76]) by Chow.corp.media.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id HJ3QI100.KN2; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:46:49 -0700 From: "Max Clark" To: "En Sabah Nur" , , Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:56:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <3F2DE3B6.6050409@ensabahnur.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: DNS Server Farm X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 15:51:15 -0000 For recursive lookups you should only be looking at djbdns's dnscache (http://cr.yp.to). As far as load balancers go, my preference has always been hardware (ASIC) based appliances such as the Alteon AceDirector or the Foundry ServerIron. Both are rock solid and will handle more traffic than you could imagine. Max -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of En Sabah Nur Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 9:40 PM To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: DNS Server Farm Hi there Our company has inherited/bought an ISP outfit which has around 2 million subscribers. Among our first priority is to upgrade the DNS service which has been abysmal according to the users Can someone give me a head-start on a recommended configuration for such DNS outlay which serves 2M+ dial-up users? Are multiple Bind boxes with a hardware load-balancer sufficient and up to the job? If so, which hardware solution (load-balancer) should I be shortlisting? Most of the users' complains has been requests time-outs and bad uptimes, which suggest bad load management and redundancy. As I am most comfortable with FreeBSD, and I intend to deploy it across the boxes we inherited with the deal. Having said that, we do have some Solaris boxens which is lying around. Any ideas and guides is greatly appreciated Thanks -- En Sabah Nur -------------------------------------- Living in LA is like not having a date on Saturday night. -- Candice Bergen _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 4 11:22:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11FFB37B401 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.amis.net (stingray.amis.net [212.18.32.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59AB743FA3 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:22:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blaz.zupan@amis.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stingray.amis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512EB3865DB for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:22:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from stingray.amis.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (stingray.amis.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 70005-04 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:22:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from titanic.medinet.si (titanic.medinet.si [212.18.42.5]) by stingray.amis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C258A3865D4 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:22:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: by titanic.medinet.si (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A5C055553E; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:22:22 +0200 (CEST) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030804182222.A5C055553E@titanic.medinet.si> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:22:22 +0200 (CEST) From: blaz.zupan@amis.net (Blaz Zupan) X-Virus-Scanned: by Amis Safe Mail Subject: Re: DNS Server Farm X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 18:22:25 -0000 > Our company has inherited/bought an ISP outfit which has around 2 > million subscribers. Among our first priority is to upgrade the DNS > service which has been abysmal according to the users Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:22:22 +0200 I'm actually wondering why everybody is suggesting load balancers. This means either single point of failure or very expensive hardware. I don't know anything about your infrastructure, but because you have 2 million customers you probably have many POPs which are spread out around the country. Anycast is the solution in this case. Build lots and lots of small recursive nameserver boxes and locate them at various points around your network. Each of those boxes has two IP addresses: one from the local subnet and another address which is same on all boxes - the anycast address. Put a static route on your local router which routes the anycast address to the local IP address of each box. Configure the nameserver so that it responds on the anycast address, but uses the local IP address to resolve DNS records (so that you don't get in trouble with routing the traffic from outside of your network to the local caching nameserver, because return packets might reach the wrong box due to the anycasting setup). In this scenario you have lots of boxes around your network and every single one of them is reachable by the same IP address. Now you just point your customers DNS settings at this IP address and you're all set. If you want automatic failover in this scenario, make the boxes speak BGP or some other routing protocol to the local router, Zebra works fine in this situation. Make it announce only the anycast address. If the box hiccups, the route will disappear and your customer will use another recursing nameserver somewhere in your network. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 4 12:49:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432E437B404 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.ruraltel.net (mail1.ruraltel.net [24.225.0.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CE1FD43FCB for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:49:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darryl@osborne-ind.com) Received: (qmail 9524 invoked by uid 204); 4 Aug 2003 19:49:14 -0000 Received: from darryl@osborne-ind.com by mail1.ruraltel.net by uid 201 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (. spamassassin: 2.55. Clear:SA:0(-5.0/5.0):. Processed in 1.181147 secs); 04 Aug 2003 19:49:14 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: darryl@osborne-ind.com via mail1.ruraltel.net X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:SA:0(-5.0/5.0):. 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Subject: Apache13-fp + Named Virtual Hosts X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: darryl@osborne-ind.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 19:49:17 -0000 Greetings, I installed apache13-fp from the ports on my 4.7-stable box. Started it up (thanks scot) and got it running. Works just fine publishing from Frontpage 2000 to the apache webserver. Unfortunately, I need to have this apache server implimentation hosts a couple sites. So here is what I tried: 1. Shutdown apache server. 2. Modify httpd.conf. Changed DocumentRoot to be /websites/data changed 3. Uncommented NameVirtualHost * line in httpd.conf 4. Added VirtualHost blocks DocumentRoot /websites/data/internal ServerName www.osborneindustries.com DocumentRoot /websites/data/test ServerName test.osborneindustries.com 5. Made sure last Virtual Host block was: ServerName test.osborneindustries.com 6. Reran /usr/local/frontpage/version5.0/fp_install.sh no to sub/user webs. Yes to virtual hosts. It doesn't work right when I try to use the setup. It either doesn't think the extension are running on the server, or it perpetually asks for username/password and won't accept the ones I defined in fp_install.sh. Is there a tutorial on this setup ? any ideas ? thanks, Darryl From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 4 12:50:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A62D37B408 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.ruraltel.net (mail1.ruraltel.net [24.225.0.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 75C1543F3F for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:50:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darryl@osborne-ind.com) Received: (qmail 10057 invoked by uid 204); 4 Aug 2003 19:50:23 -0000 Received: from darryl@osborne-ind.com by mail1.ruraltel.net by uid 201 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (. spamassassin: 2.55. Clear:SA:0(-4.9/5.0):. Processed in 0.941868 secs); 04 Aug 2003 19:50:23 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: darryl@osborne-ind.com via mail1.ruraltel.net X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.14 (Clear:SA:0(-4.9/5.0):. 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Subject: Apache13-fp + Named Virtual Hosts X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: darryl@osborne-ind.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 19:50:25 -0000 Sorry, forgot to mention in first post that I'm not on freebsd-isp. I am on freebsd-questions though. Greetings, I installed apache13-fp from the ports on my 4.7-stable box. Started it up (thanks scot) and got it running. Works just fine publishing from Frontpage 2000 to the apache webserver. Unfortunately, I need to have this apache server implimentation hosts a couple sites. So here is what I tried: 1. Shutdown apache server. 2. Modify httpd.conf. Changed DocumentRoot to be /websites/data changed 3. Uncommented NameVirtualHost * line in httpd.conf 4. Added VirtualHost blocks DocumentRoot /websites/data/internal ServerName www.osborneindustries.com DocumentRoot /websites/data/test ServerName test.osborneindustries.com 5. Made sure last Virtual Host block was: ServerName test.osborneindustries.com 6. Reran /usr/local/frontpage/version5.0/fp_install.sh no to sub/user webs. Yes to virtual hosts. It doesn't work right when I try to use the setup. It either doesn't think the extension are running on the server, or it perpetually asks for username/password and won't accept the ones I defined in fp_install.sh. Is there a tutorial on this setup ? any ideas ? thanks, Darryl From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 4 15:35:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575A037B433 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elk.hughes.com.au (elk.hughes.com.au [198.78.66.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCEB243F3F for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:35:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bambi@Hughes.com.au) Received: from elk.hughes.com.au (elk [198.78.66.227]) by elk.hughes.com.au (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h74MZHWN008702; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:35:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bambi@Hughes.com.au) Received: from localhost (bambi@localhost)h74MZHeL008699; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:35:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: elk.hughes.com.au: bambi owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:35:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Hughes" To: Blaz Zupan In-Reply-To: <20030804182222.A5C055553E@titanic.medinet.si> Message-ID: <20030804152939.F97726@elk.hughes.com.au> References: <20030804182222.A5C055553E@titanic.medinet.si> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DNS Server Farm X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 22:35:21 -0000 On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Blaz Zupan wrote: > Anycast is the solution in this case. Build lots and lots of small > recursive nameserver boxes and locate them at various points around your > network. Each of those boxes has two IP addresses: one from the local An anycast / BGP solution assumes that the application will never fail without taking the box down. If your DNS code falls over (or is stopped etc) then your customers are going to lose. Seeing as a "real" load balancer, like a ServerIron XL, can be found on Ebay for next to nothing these days, it's a very workable solution. We just built such a solution for a network with about 550,000 users and it works just fine. 2 or 3 good boxes and a load balancer will also be much cheaper than a box at each pop. Bambi ... From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 4 22:01:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975EC37B401 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:01:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skywalker.rogness.net (skywalker.rogness.net [64.251.173.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A609C43F85 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:01:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nick@rogness.net) Received: from skywalker.rogness.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by skywalker.rogness.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h7558w75063251; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:08:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nick@rogness.net) Received: from localhost (nick@localhost)h7558v69063248; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:08:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: skywalker.rogness.net: nick owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:08:56 -0600 (MDT) From: Nick Rogness To: Darryl Hoar In-Reply-To: <009d01c35ac1$e9fbb100$0701a8c0@darryl> Message-ID: <20030804230334.Y63035-100000@skywalker.rogness.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache13-fp + Named Virtual Hosts X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 05:02:00 -0000 On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Darryl Hoar wrote: > Sorry, forgot to mention in first post that I'm not on freebsd-isp. I > am on freebsd-questions though. > > > Greetings, > I installed apache13-fp from the ports on my 4.7-stable box. > Started it up (thanks scot) and got it running. Works just > fine publishing from Frontpage 2000 to the apache webserver. > > Unfortunately, I need to have this apache server implimentation > hosts a couple sites. So here is what I tried: > > 1. Shutdown apache server. > 2. Modify httpd.conf. Changed DocumentRoot to be /websites/data > changed > 3. Uncommented NameVirtualHost * line in httpd.conf > 4. Added VirtualHost blocks > > DocumentRoot /websites/data/internal > ServerName www.osborneindustries.com > > > DocumentRoot /websites/data/test > ServerName test.osborneindustries.com > > > 5. Made sure last Virtual Host block was: > > ServerName test.osborneindustries.com > > > 6. Reran /usr/local/frontpage/version5.0/fp_install.sh > no to sub/user webs. Yes to virtual hosts. > > It doesn't work right when I try to use the setup. It either doesn't > think the extension are running on the server, or it perpetually asks > for username/password and won't accept the ones I defined in > fp_install.sh. > Can you hit the site via a web browser? e.g.: http://www.osborneindustries.com Make sure your virtual hosts are working before you even try fp extentions. Make sure the user/group that owns the files in DocumentRoot have uid/gui > 100. Make sure you have the proper 'AllOveride All' directives for those directories. Use the owsadm.exe command line tool if fp_install.sh still doesn't work. Oh and forgot to mention, close httpd.conf file before running these tools. The install will fail if httpd.conf is opened with vi or another editor. Nick Rogness - How many people here have telekenetic powers? Raise my hand. -Emo Philips From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 4 22:42:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDCAE37B401 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.amis.net (stingray.amis.net [212.18.32.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824F743F3F for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:42:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blaz@si.FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stingray.amis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D6F3865FC; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:42:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from stingray.amis.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (stingray.amis.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 73114-01-7; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:42:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from titanic.medinet.si (titanic.medinet.si [212.18.42.5]) by stingray.amis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96CB38659A; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:42:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:42:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Blaz Zupan X-X-Sender: blaz@titanic.medinet.si To: "David J. Hughes" In-Reply-To: <20030804152939.F97726@elk.hughes.com.au> Message-ID: <20030805073757.G78439@titanic.medinet.si> References: <20030804182222.A5C055553E@titanic.medinet.si> <20030804152939.F97726@elk.hughes.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by Amis Safe Mail cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DNS Server Farm X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 05:42:53 -0000 > An anycast / BGP solution assumes that the application will never fail > without taking the box down. If your DNS code falls over (or is stopped > etc) then your customers are going to lose. Running a watchdog that checks if the DNS code is alive is next to trivial. If the DNS server fails, either restart it or take down the routing protocol so the system fails over to the next anycast box. If the machine stops to the point that the watchdog is also not working anymore, then the routing protocol doesn't work anymore as well, so you fail over to the next anycast box. > Seeing as a "real" load balancer, like a ServerIron XL, can be found on > Ebay for next to nothing these days, it's a very workable solution. We > just built such a solution for a network with about 550,000 users and it > works just fine. 2 or 3 good boxes and a load balancer will also be much > cheaper than a box at each pop. But you still have a single point of failure. You have all your boxes located at a single location. If you have a power failure or other catastropic event at that location, your whole DNS setup fails, while the rest of the network works just fine, just without a working DNS server. Same thing if your load balancer fails. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 5 04:03:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD61537B401 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 04:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.wananchi.com (ns2.wananchi.com [62.8.64.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B9A43F93 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 04:03:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wash@wananchi.com) Received: from wash by ns2.wananchi.com with local (Exim 4.20 #5 (FreeBSD)) id 19jzb9-000H7y-Tp for ; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 14:03:23 +0300 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:03:23 +0300 From: ODHIAMBO Washington To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030805110323.GA63785@ns2.wananchi.com> Mail-Followup-To: ODHIAMBO Washington , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Disclaimer: Any views expressed in this message,where not explicitly attributed otherwise, are mine alone!. X-Fortune: A bachelor is a selfish, undeserving guy who has cheated some woman out of a divorce. -- Don Quinn X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE i386 X-Best-Window-Manager: Blackbox X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.4i (2003-03-19) X-Designation: Systems Administrator, Wananchi Online Ltd. X-Location: Nairobi, KE, East Africa. X-Uptime: 2:02PM up 21:19, 3 users, load averages: 0.23, 0.46, 0.50 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Subject: startup script for kannel ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 11:03:43 -0000 I am trying out kannel (/usr/ports/www/kannel) but I don't seem to see any startup scripts for the modules. Anyone has scripts to start those? -Wash -- Odhiambo Washington "The box said 'Requires Wananchi Online Ltd. www.wananchi.com Windows 95, NT, or better,' Tel: +254 2 313985-9 +254 2 313922 so I installed FreeBSD." GSM: +254 72 743223 +254 733 744121 This sig is McQ! :-) (1) Everything depends. (2) Nothing is always. (3) Everything is sometimes. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 5 04:41:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D028C37B401 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 04:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from munk.nu (213-152-51-194.dsl.eclipse.net.uk [213.152.51.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036DC43FCB for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 04:41:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from munk@munk.nu) Received: from munk by munk.nu with local (Exim 4.20) id 19k0Bk-000BFg-CQ for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 12:41:12 +0100 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:41:12 +0100 From: Jez Hancock To: FreeBSD ISP List Message-ID: <20030805114049.GA39969@users.munk.nu> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD ISP List References: <20030805110323.GA63785@ns2.wananchi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030805110323.GA63785@ns2.wananchi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: User Munk Subject: Re: startup script for kannel ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 11:41:15 -0000 Hi Wash, On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 02:03:23PM +0300, ODHIAMBO Washington wrote: > I am trying out kannel (/usr/ports/www/kannel) but I don't seem to > see any startup scripts for the modules. > Anyone has scripts to start those? Check out rc(8) manpage - especially EXAMPLES section: EXAMPLES The following is a simple, hypothetical example of an rc.d script, which would start a daemon at boot time, and kill it at shutdown time. #!/bin/sh - # # initialization/shutdown script for foobar package case "$1" in start) /usr/local/sbin/foo -d && echo -n ' foo' ;; stop) kill `cat /var/run/foo.pid` && echo -n ' foo' ;; *) echo "unknown option: $1 - should be 'start' or 'stop'" >&2 ;; esac Probably quicker to roll your own :) -- Jez http://www.munk.nu/ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 5 06:51:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6694437B401 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 06:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lambertfam.org (www.lambertfam.org [216.223.208.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A729A43F93 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 06:51:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lambert@lambertfam.org) Received: from laptop.lambertfam.org (laptop.int.lambertfam.org [10.1.0.2]) by mail.lambertfam.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F9734D28 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by laptop.lambertfam.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8EA578A9E; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:50:45 -0400 From: Scott Lambert To: FreeBSD-ISP@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20030805135045.GA672@laptop.lambertfam.org> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD-ISP@FreeBSD.org References: <20030804182222.A5C055553E@titanic.medinet.si> <20030804152939.F97726@elk.hughes.com.au> <20030805073757.G78439@titanic.medinet.si> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030805073757.G78439@titanic.medinet.si> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: DNS Server Farm X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 13:51:02 -0000 On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 07:42:21AM +0200, Blaz Zupan wrote: > > Seeing as a "real" load balancer, like a ServerIron XL, can be > > found on Ebay for next to nothing these days, it's a very workable > > solution. We just built such a solution for a network with about > > 550,000 users and it works just fine. 2 or 3 good boxes and a load > > balancer will also be much cheaper than a box at each pop. > > But you still have a single point of failure. You have all your boxes > located at a single location. If you have a power failure or other > catastropic event at that location, your whole DNS setup fails, while > the rest of the network works just fine, just without a working DNS > server. Same thing if your load balancer fails. What he said. Even with my twenty thousand users, I put a DNS server at each of the regional hubs. That way any of the regions could be down without affecting the other users. It happenned more often than I liked despite us doing everything right. Ok, almost everything. Ninety percent of our downtime was telco related. It was a rural ISP spread out across most of one state dealing with 5 or 6 telcos. I really wanted a DNS / outbound SMTP server in each PoP but couldn't cost justify it. If you want a load balancer, and they are cheap, why not put one in each regional hub and have several smaller clusters? -- Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lambert@lambertfam.org From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 5 07:35:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5955E37B401 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.wananchi.com (ns2.wananchi.com [62.8.64.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE78D43FAF for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:35:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wash@wananchi.com) Received: from wash by ns2.wananchi.com with local (Exim 4.20 #5 (FreeBSD)) id 19k2u4-0005Ue-Ug for ; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 17:35:08 +0300 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:35:08 +0300 From: ODHIAMBO Washington To: FreeBSD ISP List Message-ID: <20030805143508.GA18393@ns2.wananchi.com> Mail-Followup-To: ODHIAMBO Washington , FreeBSD ISP List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Disclaimer: Any views expressed in this message,where not explicitly attributed otherwise, are mine alone!. X-Fortune: Some men are alive simply because it is against the law to kill them. -- Ed Howe X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE i386 X-Best-Window-Manager: Blackbox X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.4i (2003-03-19) X-Designation: Systems Administrator, Wananchi Online Ltd. X-Location: Nairobi, KE, East Africa. X-Uptime: 5:33PM up 1 day, 50 mins, 5 users, load averages: 1.08, 0.90, 0.92 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Subject: kannel+daemontools X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 14:35:15 -0000 I have kannel running erratically. I am still very new to it. However, I would like some assistance on running it under daemontools, in case anyone has gone that mileage. Thanks in advance. -Wash -- Odhiambo Washington "The box said 'Requires Wananchi Online Ltd. www.wananchi.com Windows 95, NT, or better,' Tel: +254 2 313985-9 +254 2 313922 so I installed FreeBSD." GSM: +254 72 743223 +254 733 744121 This sig is McQ! :-) Parallel lines never meet, unless you bend one or both of them. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 5 09:56:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01DCE37B401 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:56:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from telos.barkingcat.org (telos.barkingcat.org [199.170.176.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE7943FB1 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:56:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steven@barkingcat.org) Received: from localhost (steven@localhost) by telos.barkingcat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20055 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:56:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:56:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "Steven J. White" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: /usr/bin/mail problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:56:58 -0000 Hello, I have a nagging problem with /usr/bin/mail on a FreeBSD 5.0 system. When I attempt to send a message using the mail client at the command line I'm presented with the following: ren# Mail -v steven@domain.com Subject: test 1 testing . EOT can not chdir(/var/spool/clientmqueue/): Permission denied Program mode requires special privileges, e.g., root or TrustedUser. My guess is that this involves interaction between mail and sendmail re: how sendmail is called. As background, I'm running MessageWall as a spam proxy in front of sendmail but as far as I can recall this was happening before I installed MessageWall. I'd appreciate any help. Regards, Steve From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 5 15:11:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4775137B401 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elk.hughes.com.au (elk.hughes.com.au [198.78.66.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA83843FB1 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:11:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bambi@Hughes.com.au) Received: from elk.hughes.com.au (elk [198.78.66.227]) by elk.hughes.com.au (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h75MBvWN036059; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:11:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bambi@Hughes.com.au) Received: from localhost (bambi@localhost)h75MBvqm036052; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:11:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: elk.hughes.com.au: bambi owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:11:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Hughes" To: Scott Lambert In-Reply-To: <20030805135045.GA672@laptop.lambertfam.org> Message-ID: <20030805150102.N25983@elk.hughes.com.au> References: <20030804182222.A5C055553E@titanic.medinet.si> <20030805073757.G78439@titanic.medinet.si> <20030805135045.GA672@laptop.lambertfam.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: FreeBSD-ISP@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DNS Server Farm X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:11:57 -0000 On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Scott Lambert wrote: > If you want a load balancer, and they are cheap, why not put one in each > regional hub and have several smaller clusters? Because if you have 50 regional POPs then the management of either 50 or 100 DNS servers (2 per POP to ensure service continuity) becomes an issue. As does the cost. Remember the original poster was talking about a network with > 1,000,000 subscribers so there'll probably be quite a few POPs. If there is no "sacred heart" of your network that is resilient to multiple single failures, then build 2 pairs of load balanced servers and place them at strategic locations in your core. That's 4 servers and 4 load balancers (running HA mode) and not a single point of failure in sight if it's done right. With ServerIrons going for sub $1,000 on ebay it's far cheaper and a hell of a lot easier to manage than a huge anycast solution. IMHO naturally :) Bambi ... From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 6 02:59:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B24A837B401 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 02:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.arc.net.my (nagano.arc.net.my [203.115.225.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CD3043F93 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 02:59:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nick@arc.net.my) Received: from roponggi (roppongi.arc.net.my [203.115.225.83]) by mail.arc.net.my (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 Patch 1 (built Jun 6 2002)) with SMTP id <0HJ600K98ZRA6S@mail.arc.net.my> for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 17:59:34 +0800 (SGT) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 17:54:15 +0800 From: Nick Kraal To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-id: <01af01c35c00$b23551a0$53e173cb@arc.net.my> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20030730163202.GA8118@scylla.towardex.com> <006601c356bc$4d3a1b80$0702a8c0@win98> <20030730172106.GB12277@scylla.towardex.com> Subject: Apache2 error X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Nick Kraal List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 09:59:38 -0000 Just installed Apache2 from the port collection. But starting this gets me this error. Any ideas? blossom# /usr/local/sbin/apachectl start no listening sockets available, shutting down Unable to open logs Many thanks in advance. -nick/ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 6 03:06:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6B637B401 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 03:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.wananchi.com (ns2.wananchi.com [62.8.64.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B3143F85 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 03:06:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wash@wananchi.com) Received: from wash by ns2.wananchi.com with local (Exim 4.20 #5 (FreeBSD)) id 19kLBe-000FxX-QZ; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 13:06:30 +0300 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:06:30 +0300 From: ODHIAMBO Washington To: Nick Kraal Message-ID: <20030806100630.GD87551@ns2.wananchi.com> Mail-Followup-To: ODHIAMBO Washington , Nick Kraal , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <20030730163202.GA8118@scylla.towardex.com> <006601c356bc$4d3a1b80$0702a8c0@win98> <20030730172106.GB12277@scylla.towardex.com> <01af01c35c00$b23551a0$53e173cb@arc.net.my> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <01af01c35c00$b23551a0$53e173cb@arc.net.my> X-Disclaimer: Any views expressed in this message,where not explicitly attributed otherwise, are mine alone!. X-Fortune: Fortune's Fictitious Country Song Title of the Week: "How Can I Miss You if You Won't Go Away?" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE i386 X-Best-Window-Manager: Blackbox X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.4i (2003-03-19) X-Designation: Systems Administrator, Wananchi Online Ltd. X-Location: Nairobi, KE, East Africa. X-Uptime: 1:04PM up 1 day, 20:21, 2 users, load averages: 1.18, 0.90, 0.88 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache2 error X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 10:06:45 -0000 * Nick Kraal [20030806 13:00]: wrote: > Just installed Apache2 from the port collection. But starting this gets me > this error. Any ideas? > > blossom# /usr/local/sbin/apachectl start > no listening sockets available, shutting down Do you have something else listening on the same ports, like an old apache? sockstat -l | grep 80 > Unable to open logs You have to check the httpd.conf and make sure that you have setup the User/Group configs. Then check the *Log directives and make sure the permissions are right. -Wash -- Odhiambo Washington "The box said 'Requires Wananchi Online Ltd. www.wananchi.com Windows 95, NT, or better,' Tel: +254 2 313985-9 +254 2 313922 so I installed FreeBSD." GSM: +254 72 743223 +254 733 744121 This sig is McQ! :-) "APL is a write-only language. I can write programs in APL, but I can't read any of them." -- Roy Keir From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 6 09:53:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B36B637B401 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:53:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web40406.mail.yahoo.com (web40406.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 51D0243F3F for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:53:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hazecast@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030806165348.60120.qmail@web40406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.177.22.150] by web40406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 09:53:48 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:53:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "apellido jr., wilfredo p" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: use NAT or NOT X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 16:53:49 -0000 hi, here my setup, i configure my freebsd box to act as a bridge at the same time as a traffic shaper. where the external nic (rl0)is directly connected to an ethernet router and internal nic (dc0) is connected to AP (access point). Each client (wireless client)connected to AP have a public IP. im confused if im going to NAT the external nic (rl0) or not? since it has a public IP. or just a router configuration. note: external nic has a public ip ===== If you can't hear me, it's because i'm in parentheses. [ apellido jr., wilfredo p. ] __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 6 10:03:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3A3237B401 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emerald.incredible.com.na (NSP.inc.net.na [196.44.138.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00ADE43F3F for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:03:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from schalk@home.incredible.com.na) Received: from [10.222.101.2] (helo=Fujitsu) by emerald.incredible.com.na with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19kRfA-00071v-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 18:01:24 +0100 Message-ID: <006801c35c3c$a0ce65a0$0265de0a@Fujitsu> From: "Schalk Erasmus" To: References: <000a01c358d3$dcc94eb0$0265de0a@Fujitsu> <001501c358d4$eb701c90$0265de0a@Fujitsu> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:03:15 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: FreeBSD - Secure by DEFAULT ?? [hosts.allow] X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 17:03:25 -0000 Could someone assist me with this? Regards Schalk ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 10:03 AM Subject: Re: FreeBSD - Secure by DEFAULT ?? [hosts.allow] > I guess I also need to allow the other Services, in this order: > > sshd : myhomepc : allow > exim : ALL : allow > httpd : ALL : allow > ftpd : ALL : allow > ALL : ALL : deny > > Is this right? > > > # Start by allowing everything (this prevents the rest of the file > > # from working, so remove it when you need protection). > > # The rules here work on a "First match wins" basis. > > ALL : ALL : allow > > > > # Wrapping sshd(8) is not normally a good idea, but if you > > # need to do it, here's how > > #sshd : .evil.cracker.example.com : deny > > > > Regards > > Schalk Erasmus > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 9:55 AM Subject: FreeBSD - Secure by DEFAULT ?? > Hi, > > I need to know what the implications are to make use of the hosts.allow file > on a FreeBSD Production Server (ISP Setup)? > > The reason I'm asking, is that I've recently decommisioned a Linux SendMail > Server to a FreeBSD Exim Server, but with no Firewall (IPTABLES) yet. > > Besides the fact that it only runs EXIM and Apache, is it necessary to > Configure rc.Firewall? or can I only make use of the hosts.allow file? > > Currently I would only like to allow SSH access from my Home Network, > instead of allowing the WORLD. > > I've seen OpenBSD Servers using hosts.deny and hosts.allow files, but based > on the new "Access Control File", it is all merged together in one file: > > # > # hosts.allow access control file for "tcp wrapped" applications. > # $FreeBSD: src/etc/hosts.allow,v 1.8.2.7 2002/04/17 19:44:22 dougb Exp $ > # > # NOTE: The hosts.deny file is deprecated. > # Place both 'allow' and 'deny' rules in the hosts.allow file. > # See hosts_options(5) for the format of this file. > # hosts_access(5) no longer fully applies. > # Start by allowing everything (this prevents the rest of the file > # from working, so remove it when you need protection). > # The rules here work on a "First match wins" basis. > ALL : ALL : allow > > # Wrapping sshd(8) is not normally a good idea, but if you > # need to do it, here's how > #sshd : .evil.cracker.example.com : deny > > > Should I make the following changes to this file? (I'm afraid I might get > kicked out) > > ALL : ALL : deny > sshd : myhomepc.baboon.com : allow > > > What kind of protection does FreeBSD need by Default? Since OpenBSD goes > around saying: "SECURE BY DEFAULT" !? > > > Just asking..... > > Regards > Schalk Erasmus > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 6 22:22:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D359B37B401 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ivtelecom.ru (www.ivtelecom.ru [81.20.97.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905AF43F75 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:22:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from apanyushkin@ivtelecom.ru) Received: by www.ivtelecom.ru with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:22:55 +0400 Received: from dc.rspd.ivtelecom.ru ([10.48.101.200]) by mail.ivtelecom.ru with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2656.59) id PCYCLMPN; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:22:54 +0400 From: apanyushkin@ivtelecom.ru To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:22:54 +0400 X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60c) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <163155672294.20030807092254@ivtelecom.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Control Panel for Web Hosting Users X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: apanyushkin@ivtelecom.ru List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 05:23:00 -0000 Hello, I work on an ISP. Now we have only one web hosting server running Solaris. We are going to purchaise Compaq blade server and make two or free blades to be a web server for hosting. I'm going to deploy customer's virtual web server on every phisical web server to provide fault tolerance and load balancing (using Apache mod-backhand module). Could you recommend me a good control panel for our customers (even non open-source). Control panel should have following features 1. Virtual web server control 2. MySQL database control 3. Mail accounts control for Courier IMAP 4. FTP accounts control for ProFTPd. With best regards Anton. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 6 22:31:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7343C37B401 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from backup.dagupan.com (mailserver.dagupan.com [202.91.161.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268FE43F85 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:31:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from francisv@dagupan.com) Received: by mailserver.dagupan.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:31:08 +0800 Message-ID: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9012C6A99@mailserver.dagupan.com> From: francisv@dagupan.com To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:31:03 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Control Panel for Web Hosting Users X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 05:31:25 -0000 Try Plesk or cPanel. -----Original Message----- From: apanyushkin@ivtelecom.ru [mailto:apanyushkin@ivtelecom.ru] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 1:23 PM To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Control Panel for Web Hosting Users Hello, I work on an ISP. Now we have only one web hosting server running Solaris. We are going to purchaise Compaq blade server and make two or free blades to be a web server for hosting. I'm going to deploy customer's virtual web server on every phisical web server to provide fault tolerance and load balancing (using Apache mod-backhand module). Could you recommend me a good control panel for our customers (even non open-source). Control panel should have following features 1. Virtual web server control 2. MySQL database control 3. Mail accounts control for Courier IMAP 4. FTP accounts control for ProFTPd. With best regards Anton. _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 7 00:13:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7122137B401; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from likya.bimel.com.tr (likya.bimel.com.tr [212.175.96.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A1443FA3; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:13:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ustuntas@bimel.com.tr) Received: (from root@localhost) by likya.bimel.com.tr (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h777DjmB024139; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:13:45 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ustuntas@bimel.com.tr) Received: from bimel.com.tr (zeugma.bimel.com.tr [212.175.96.11]) by likya.bimel.com.tr (8.12.9/8.12.9av) with ESMTP id h777DeVZ024073; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:13:41 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ustuntas@bimel.com.tr) Message-ID: <3F31FDCB.5010102@bimel.com.tr> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 10:20:43 +0300 From: Murat USTUNTAS User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20030225 X-Accept-Language: tr, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Subject: Sendmail + SALS working configuration X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 07:13:55 -0000 Hello all, I have used to sendmail as MTA. My relay system is IP based. How can i configure sendmail with SALS.Can anyone help me get the authentication working. My goal is to allow relaying from any valid account on the system no matter what their IP. Regards, Murat Ustuntas From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 7 00:42:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F3B37B401 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h1.liquidneon.com (h1.liquidneon.com [66.252.192.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 77BC643FBD for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:42:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bdavis@house.so14k.com) Received: (qmail 27539 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 07:42:53 -0000 Received: from 12-235-234-120.client.attbi.com (HELO mccaffrey.house.so14k.com) (12.235.234.120) by h1.liquidneon.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 07:42:53 -0000 Received: by mccaffrey.house.so14k.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9B6C9320; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:42:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:42:52 -0600 From: Brad Davis To: apanyushkin@ivtelecom.ru Message-ID: <20030807074252.GC49208@mccaffrey.house.so14k.com> Mail-Followup-To: apanyushkin@ivtelecom.ru, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <163155672294.20030807092254@ivtelecom.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <163155672294.20030807092254@ivtelecom.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Control Panel for Web Hosting Users X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 07:42:54 -0000 try cpanel from IIRC cpanel.net Brad On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:22:54AM +0400, apanyushkin@ivtelecom.ru wrote: > Hello, > > I work on an ISP. Now we have only one web hosting server running > Solaris. We are going to purchaise Compaq blade server and make two or > free blades to be a web server for hosting. I'm going to deploy > customer's virtual web server on every phisical web server to provide > fault tolerance and load balancing (using Apache mod-backhand module). > Could you recommend me a good control panel for our customers (even > non open-source). Control panel should have following features > 1. Virtual web server control > 2. MySQL database control > 3. Mail accounts control for Courier IMAP > 4. FTP accounts control for ProFTPd. > > > > With best regards > Anton. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 7 01:48:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB8A37B401 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from park.rambler.ru (park.rambler.ru [81.19.64.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7337743F85 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:48:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kaa@rambler-co.ru) Received: from park (park [81.19.64.101]) by park.rambler.ru (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h778m4mF020485; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:48:04 +0400 (MSD) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:48:04 +0400 (MSD) From: Andrew Kopeyko X-X-Sender: kaa@park.rambler.ru To: apanyushkin@ivtelecom.ru In-Reply-To: <163155672294.20030807092254@ivtelecom.ru> Message-ID: <20030807124549.U60170@park.rambler.ru> References: <163155672294.20030807092254@ivtelecom.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Control Panel for Web Hosting Users X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 08:48:09 -0000 On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 apanyushkin@ivtelecom.ru wrote: > Hello, > > I work on an ISP. Now we have only one web hosting server running > Solaris. We are going to purchaise Compaq blade server and make two or > free blades to be a web server for hosting. I'm going to deploy > customer's virtual web server on every phisical web server to provide > fault tolerance and load balancing (using Apache mod-backhand module). > Could you recommend me a good control panel for our customers (even > non open-source). Control panel should have following features Try HSPComplete http://www.sw-soft.com/en/products/hspcomplete/ > 1. Virtual web server control > 2. MySQL database control > 3. Mail accounts control for Courier IMAP > 4. FTP accounts control for ProFTPd. > -- Best regards, Andrew Kopeyko Head of NOC Rambler Co. http://www.rambler.ru/ phone : +7 095 745-3619 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 7 07:25:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C0A237B401 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ivtelecom.ru (www.ivtelecom.ru [81.20.97.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C1243F93 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:25:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from apanyushkin@ivtelecom.ru) Received: by www.ivtelecom.ru with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:25:27 +0400 Received: from dc.rspd.ivtelecom.ru ([10.48.101.200]) by mail.ivtelecom.ru with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2656.59) id PCYCLNNK; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:25:21 +0400 From: apanyushkin@ivtelecom.ru To: c.raven@uk.cian.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:25:21 +0400 X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60c) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1362384989.20030807182521@ivtelecom.ru> In-Reply-To: <75036837.1060266373@[10\.0\.0\.6]> References: <75036837.1060266373@[10.0.0.6]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re[2]: Control Panel for Web Hosting Users X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: apanyushkin@ivtelecom.ru List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 14:25:30 -0000 Hello Christopher, Thursday, August 7, 2003, 5:26:13 PM, you wrote: CR> PLESK : http://www.plesk.com/ CR> Its what we use and it will do al you ask and a lot more besides. It seems to me that plesk can only control only one server. Can I deploy customer's web site on several chachines and control this site using plesk. Fault tolerance is very important for me. With best regards Anton. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 7 09:29:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E358B37B401 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:29:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lug.kamloops.net (lug2.kamloops.net [209.52.173.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301CC43F93 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:29:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fcash@sd73.bc.ca) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by lug.kamloops.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 19kmQQ-0002LC-00; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 08:11:34 -0700 From: Freddie Cash Organization: School District 73 To: apanyushkin@ivtelecom.ru Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:20:35 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <163155672294.20030807092254@ivtelecom.ru> In-Reply-To: <163155672294.20030807092254@ivtelecom.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308070920.36492.fcash@sd73.bc.ca> cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Control Panel for Web Hosting Users X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: fcash@sd73.bc.ca List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 16:29:14 -0000 On August 6, 2003 10:22 pm, apanyushkin@ivtelecom.ru wrote: > I work on an ISP. Now we have only one web hosting server running > Solaris. We are going to purchaise Compaq blade server and make two > or free blades to be a web server for hosting. I'm going to deploy > customer's virtual web server on every phisical web server to provide > fault tolerance and load balancing (using Apache mod-backhand > module). Could you recommend me a good control panel for our > customers (even non open-source). Control panel should have following > features 1. Virtual web server control > 2. MySQL database control > 3. Mail accounts control for Courier IMAP > 4. FTP accounts control for ProFTPd. There's always Webmin + Usermin + Virtualmin. http://www.webmin.com -- Freddie Cash District HelpDesk / Network Admin fcash@sd73.bc.ca helpdesk@sd73.bc.ca (250) 374-0679 ext. 219 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 7 09:45:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB6937B401 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from munk.nu (213-152-51-194.dsl.eclipse.net.uk [213.152.51.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C40843F85 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:45:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from munk@munk.nu) Received: from munk by munk.nu with local (Exim 4.20) id 19knss-00034M-M0 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:45:02 +0100 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:45:02 +0100 From: Jez Hancock To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030807164502.GA11607@users.munk.nu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <163155672294.20030807092254@ivtelecom.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <163155672294.20030807092254@ivtelecom.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: User Munk Subject: Re: Control Panel for Web Hosting Users X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 16:45:05 -0000 On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:22:54AM +0400, apanyushkin@ivtelecom.ru wrote: > I work on an ISP. Now we have only one web hosting server running > Solaris. We are going to purchaise Compaq blade server and make two or > free blades to be a web server for hosting. I'm going to deploy > customer's virtual web server on every phisical web server to provide > fault tolerance and load balancing (using Apache mod-backhand module). > Could you recommend me a good control panel for our customers (even > non open-source). Control panel should have following features > 1. Virtual web server control > 2. MySQL database control > 3. Mail accounts control for Courier IMAP > 4. FTP accounts control for ProFTPd. IIRC ispman provides control panel facilities for multiple networked servers. -- Jez http://www.munk.nu/ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 7 09:57:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C76F37B401 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from swisseasy.net (dns1.swisseasy.net [195.134.144.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF70243FBD for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:57:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arie@gerszt.ch) Received: (qmail 98053 invoked by uid 85); 7 Aug 2003 16:57:48 -0000 Received: from arie@gerszt.ch by caramba.gerszt.ch by uid 90 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (sweep: 2.14/3.66 NSV. spamassassin: 2.44. Clear:. Processed in 0.160399 secs); 07 Aug 2003 16:57:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO DELLARIE) (212.41.79.168) by mail.swisseasy.net with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 16:57:48 -0000 From: "Arie J. Gerszt" To: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:57:57 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: Web Control Panels: vote X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 16:57:51 -0000 Hi For which control panel would you vote: cPanel PLESK confixx others? Arie From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 7 10:02:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A2FD37B401 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from park.rambler.ru (park.rambler.ru [81.19.64.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFE343FE5 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:02:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kaa@rambler-co.ru) Received: from park (park [81.19.64.101]) by park.rambler.ru (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h77H2KmF026675; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:02:20 +0400 (MSD) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:02:20 +0400 (MSD) From: Andrew Kopeyko X-X-Sender: kaa@park.rambler.ru To: "Arie J. Gerszt" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030807210046.V24859@park.rambler.ru> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web Control Panels: vote X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:02:39 -0000 On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Arie J. Gerszt wrote: > Hi > > For which control panel would you vote: > > cPanel > PLESK > confixx > others? IMHO, HSPComplete would be a winner - it's developer sw-soft.com now ownes PLEX and CONFIXX both. :) -- Best regards, Andrew Kopeyko Head of NOC Rambler Co. http://www.rambler.ru/ phone : +7 095 745-3619 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 7 13:26:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B307F37B401 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:26:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aphrodite.gwi.net (aphrodite.gwi.net [207.5.128.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E809B43FAF for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:26:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ah4@mlz.us) Received: from andy.gwi.net (blake.gwi.net [207.5.142.8]) by aphrodite.gwi.net (8.12.6p2/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h77KQiPh083439; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:26:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ah4@mlz.us) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.4 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20030807124549.U60170@park.rambler.ru> X-Homepage: http://www.nachoz.com X-PGP-Key: RSA-1024 http://www.nachoz.com/andy.pub X-System-Info-DB: PostgreSQL-7.3.2 X-System-Info-RT: rt-3-0-4 X-System-Info-WM: windowmaker-0.80.2 X-System-Info-httpd: apache-1.3.28 X-System-Info-OS: FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE-#0 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 16:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Sender: aharriso@andy.gwi.net From: Andy Harrison To: Andrew Kopeyko cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Control Panel for Web Hosting Users X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 20:26:47 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 07-Aug-2003, Andrew Kopeyko wrote message "Re: Control Panel for Web Hosting Users" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.sw-soft.com/en/products/hspcomplete/ Any idea how much it is? I've always found it disconcerting when a company is too embarrassed to post their product prices and forces you to deal with sales people. ~~ Andy Harrison (full headers for details) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPzK2C1PEkLgodAWVAQFQngP+LtVaCKvuZ9TQrjsWWXatE9w7VAvtEnii jLXn/P7ZWbUC3o20nqLAw23WyWAfm63v5gCRHcH9ixDBiusD59dPlIGrd6im36zw 8b/oD9wR9rzmYacqaAyfpx4/dA+8dFLkabNGv/6atL5ux8+BTQNgoOhp9CeQ7vgm FfPy4JgHGgA= =sCOF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 7 13:31:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44ADE37B401; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.westbend.net (ns1.westbend.net [216.47.253.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34AE343FAF; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:31:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Received: from ADMIN00 (admin00.westbend.net [216.47.253.17]) by mail.westbend.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h77KV2WZ084324; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:31:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Message-ID: <005201c35d22$d26d3730$11fd2fd8@westbend.net> From: "Scot W. Hetzel" To: "Murat USTUNTAS" , , References: <3F31FDCB.5010102@bimel.com.tr> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:31:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=8.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OE version=2.43 Subject: Re: Sendmail + SALS working configuration X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 20:31:55 -0000 From: "Murat USTUNTAS" > I have used to sendmail as MTA. My relay system is IP based. How can > i configure sendmail with SALS.Can anyone help me get the authentication > working. My goal is to allow relaying from any valid account on the > system no matter what their IP. > Read /usr/ports/security/cyrus-sasl2/files/Sendmail.README for how to setup the base sendmail to support SMTP AUTH. Scot From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 7 23:28:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1536B37B401 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from starboard.anchor.net.au (starboard.anchor.net.au [203.98.94.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA8DF43F93 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:28:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lujan@zgeek.com) Received: from bulkhead.anchor.net.au ([202.4.235.65]) by starboard.anchor.net.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h785vkO20762 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:57:47 +1000 Received: from parrot.bridge.anchor.net.au (parrot.bridge.anchor.net.au [10.108.62.181]) by bulkhead.anchor.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FBD22BD39 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:59:41 +1000 (EST) From: Patrick Kelso To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1060322342.10065.47.camel@parrot.bridge.anchor.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.3 Date: 08 Aug 2003 15:59:02 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: content management X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 06:28:59 -0000 Hi, My employer is looking for adding a content management system to our webhosting services, what we are looking for is something preferably web based and with win32 clients available for it, so clients can update their website on the fly and not need to worry about the wierd and dangerous world of FTP :/. SSL encryption would be a bonus. Any ideas? Patrick Kelso From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 8 00:58:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C64F37B401 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bart.LF.net (bart.LF.net [212.9.190.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B6143F75 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:58:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ms@bart.LF.net) Received: from ms by bart.LF.net with local (Exim 4.10) id 19l28k-000L5R-00; Fr, 08 Aug 2003 09:58:22 +0200 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:58:22 +0200 From: Marc Schoechlin To: Patrick Kelso Message-ID: <20030808075822.GA81036@LF.net> References: <1060322342.10065.47.camel@parrot.bridge.anchor.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1060322342.10065.47.camel@parrot.bridge.anchor.net.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Ticket-Action: x X-Ticket-Nr: x Sender: Marc Schoechlin cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: content management X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 07:58:41 -0000 Hi ! On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 03:59:02PM +1000, Patrick Kelso wrote: > Hi, > My employer is looking for adding a content management system to our > webhosting services, what we are looking for is something preferably web > based and with win32 clients available for it, so clients can update > their website on the fly and not need to worry about the wierd and > dangerous world of FTP :/. SSL encryption would be a bonus. There are a lot of good content-management systems: * Typo3 (PHP based) * Zope (Phyton based) * Arsdidgita(Java) * ... I can recomment that systems - but there are hundreds of good free and commercial systems. Most of the CMS-systems are completely maintained over webinterfaces :-) Ask www.freshmeat.net for more informations ! Regards Marc Schoechlin -- Gruss / Best regards | LF.net GmbH | fon +49 711 90074-413 Marc Schoechlin | Ruppmannstr. 27 | fax +49 711 90074-33 ms@LF.net | D-70565 Stuttgart | http://www.lf.net From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 8 06:21:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5135537B404 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 06:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aphrodite.gwi.net (aphrodite.gwi.net [207.5.128.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A6443FBD for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 06:21:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ah4@mlz.us) Received: from andy.gwi.net (blake.gwi.net [207.5.142.8]) by aphrodite.gwi.net (8.12.6p2/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h78DLDPh077413; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:21:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ah4@mlz.us) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.4 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1060322342.10065.47.camel@parrot.bridge.anchor.net.au> X-Homepage: http://www.nachoz.com X-PGP-Key: RSA-1024 http://www.nachoz.com/andy.pub X-System-Info-DB: PostgreSQL-7.3.2 X-System-Info-RT: rt-3-0-4 X-System-Info-WM: windowmaker-0.80.2 X-System-Info-httpd: apache-1.3.28 X-System-Info-OS: FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE-#0 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Sender: aharriso@andy.gwi.net From: Andy Harrison To: Patrick Kelso cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: content management X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:21:19 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 08-Aug-2003, Patrick Kelso wrote message "content management" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Hi, > My employer is looking for adding a content management system to our > webhosting services, what we are looking for is something preferably web > based and with win32 clients available for it, so clients can update > their website on the fly and not need to worry about the wierd and > dangerous world of FTP :/. SSL encryption would be a bonus. Here's some sites to look at: http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=277539 http://cmsinfo.org/ http://www.la-grange.net/cms ~~ Andy Harrison (full headers for details) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPzOj0FPEkLgodAWVAQH0rwP5AePj1Sy9KRKmH0exfIm68EMCBxhNFx1L sZ7kQ4CLRNxDgg2aRowObbC7c0NW2OMwszAnwQtYzVnCk3nOBsQV9mKV8PPbwKZK JngkthId9ZfDnJqAdp6qd6vOO+A1XehAmewzIbPO4miKHE+FwW7d0fNf+cW+vR2s AZ4+CV7+QN8= =Kh+z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 8 08:38:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634E437B401 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from doc.metva.com.au (c210-49-152-96.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au [210.49.152.96]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE47B43FBD for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:38:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from enno@doc.metva.com.au) Received: by doc.metva.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 7A6DED78C00; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 01:38:34 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 01:38:34 +1000 From: Enno Davids To: Andy Harrison Message-ID: <20030808153834.GC23459@doc.metva.com.au> References: <1060322342.10065.47.camel@parrot.bridge.anchor.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: content management X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 15:38:40 -0000 On 08-Aug-2003, Patrick Kelso wrote message "content management" > Hi, > My employer is looking for adding a content management system to our > webhosting services, what we are looking for is something preferably web > based and with win32 clients available for it, so clients can update > their website on the fly and not need to worry about the wierd and > dangerous world of FTP :/. SSL encryption would be a bonus. You might also take a peek at: http://www.masonbook.com/ Its an O'Reilly book on the perl mason code and how it can be used for this sort of work... Enno. (...and if anyone says Vignette near you, point and laugh. Its such a crock of a product. I don't think they do FreeBSD though so you're probably safe.) From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 8 23:13:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2628437B401 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [207.200.153.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DACC43FE9 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:13:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 19lLBU-00032E-00; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:18:28 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:18:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Charles Sprickman In-Reply-To: <20030808173510.D68214@green.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newfs options + hardware raid X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 06:13:49 -0000 On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Charles Sprickman wrote: > Hi, > > I've been looking at various archives of the FreeBSD lists, as well as > Google (web/usenet) and I'm not seeing anything about suggestions on > setting up a mail server with Maildir format boxes. I posted to -isp, but > that seems pretty low-volume these days, so I thought I might find some > good advice here... > > I've looked through some smaller mail servers that are using Maildir and > I'm finding the average message size is about 3K. That leads me to > believe I'd likely be better off setting my blocksize down to perhaps 4096 > or 8192 rather than the default 16K. I may also bump the inodes up as I'm > looking at a total of about 4000 mailboxes, and eventually upwards of > 8000, and I'd hate to dump/newfs/restore in the future... Besides the block size, UFS can also support fragments (partial blocks). So 16KB isn't necessaily allocated for a 3K file. The default is 16KB and 2KB respectively. 8KB and 1KB might be better for a MailDir system. > My main question now is what I should do with the RAID setup. I'll be > using an Adaptec 2100S and if I recall correctly there are block/stripe > size settings there as well. This will be a 0+1 array. Should I alter > those defaults to match the block size of the underlying filesystem?? No. The usual advice is to use as strip size as large as possible. But for hardware RAID, usually the default setting is the best for that particular hardware. 8000 mailboxes really ins't a lot though. > Thanks, and sorry for the slightly OT, > > Charles > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-scsi > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-scsi-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 9 08:03:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E7B937B401 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 08:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mordrede.visionsix.com (mordrede.visionsix.com [65.202.119.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1DD43FAF for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 08:03:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lists@visionsix.com) Received: from vsis169 (unverified [65.202.119.169]) by mordrede.visionsix.com for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:03:37 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c35e87$67b35df0$df0a0a0a@vsis169> From: "Lewis Watson" To: Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:03:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: SmartUPS... apcupsd? nuts? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 15:03:41 -0000 I am using (APC) SmartUPS l000XL's, several FreeBSD servers, a couple of Windows servers, and other misc. gear. The windows stuff will be upgraded to FreeBSD eventually and so it only makes sense to bring an APC daemon online with FreeBSD. There seems to be several for the smart-ups model... apcupsd, upsd, upsmon, and nut. Anyone have any favorites or preferences between these in a production environment? Thanks a bunch! Lewis