From owner-freebsd-libh@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 18 08:40:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356BA37B418; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.qc.uunet.ca (mail2.qc.uunet.ca [198.168.54.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CCC243FAF; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:40:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anarcat@espresso-com.com) Received: from xtanbul.studio.espresso-com.com ([216.94.147.57]) by mail2.qc.uunet.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IFeCVT029536; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:40:12 -0400 Received: from anarcat by xtanbul.studio.espresso-com.com with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19Sf2j-0000EF-00; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:40:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:40:13 -0400 From: The Anarcat To: Samy Al Bahra Message-ID: <20030618154012.GE533@xtanbul> Mail-Followup-To: The Anarcat , Samy Al Bahra , Paul Robinson , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-libh@freebsd.org References: <200306162015.06836.nakal@web.de> <20030616151024.0616e1e4.eaja@erols.com> <20030616191852.GA52694@ussenterprise.ufp.org> <20030618100125.GP20204@iconoplex.co.uk> <1055948691.92188.10.camel@beastie.freebsd.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1055948691.92188.10.camel@beastie.freebsd.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: The Anarcat cc: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org cc: Paul Robinson cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: YAPIB (was: Drawing graphics on terminal) X-BeenThere: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated to libh code development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:40:23 -0000 (or Yet Another Package Installer Bikeshed) [libh CC'd, for the archives] On mer jun 18, 2003 at 06:23:42 +0300, Samy Al Bahra wrote: > > - Whether the installer is graphical or not is not the issue. Grey boxes on > > a blue background with yellow, red and black text is just plain ugly to a > > society that understands art and interior design. I know you're limited on > > pallet due to the restrictions of the console, but you can make sysinstall > > nicer just by changing the colour scheme. You can make it a hell of a lot > > nicer by making it consistent and functionally useful. Who cares really... Are you going to code it? Are you going to rewrite sysinstall and provide support or are you going to rewrite dialog? I'm getting *really* tired of random people popping up on mailing lists and saying what should and shouldn't be done and complaining about how sysinstall sucks. Yes it sucks! So what? What are you going to do about it? > Just as YaST, a libsysinstall can be provided to provide a standard UI > API for applications to use + various UI plugins (ncurses, QT, GTK, Xaw, > you name it) and configuration modules (users, network, ports, etc...). > Though, before we all get excited about the possibilities of such an > installer, what's happening with libh? Isn't it supposed to deal with > all of sysintall's short-comings? All I see now is a lot of talk and no > code, maybe such discussion should go to libh's mailing list (where we > can talk design there)? Nothing's happening with libh. I suggest you folks to stop talking and start designing. If someone can come with a clean design of a new package manager/installer, then *maybe* something could come out of it, but in all the time I've been interested in package management in BSD, all the talk I've seen has been moot (e.g. I want a GTK installer! I want a pkgAPI!), without any actual code or design. Just talk impeding progress. The only real improvement I'm aware of is portupgrade, which is doing an extraordinaire job considering the architechture, and just popped up without prior useless, endless, close-minded discussions. Let us not forget Colin's binary upgrade software which looks increasingly interesting. libh's dead, folks. It's been dead for a good while now. I was just kicking it to make it look like we could tear something out of this monster. Now back to your scheduled bikeshed. A.