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Subject: Re: ADSL PPoA or RFC1483, any solutions ?
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On Sat, 4 Oct 2003, Bruce M Simpson wrote:

BMS>On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 09:53:08AM +0200, Harti Brandt wrote:
BMS>> Does PPPoA really need signalling? I tried to find any pointers to PPPoA
BMS>> specification, but this seems to be not easy to find.
BMS>
BMS>I was probably half asleep when I wrote that answer :) it's been a stressful
BMS>week.
BMS>I should correct myself - more often than not ISPs just use PVCs. The userland
BMS>PPP could probably be run on top of a device node exporting the PVC.

What kind of device node would that need to be? A tty node? Something like
ng_tty only the other way 'round?

BMS>I prefer the idea of in-kernel ppp, though, for 1Mbps+ xDSL use.

I suppose something like pppoed would do it by just stacking the pppoed
node on top of an ng_atm node instead of ng_ether's orphan. How is PPPoE
different from PPPoA?

harti
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