From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 9 0:10: 9 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0D437B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 00:10:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [64.251.91.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D3B43FB1; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 00:10:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C1E72AE4A2; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 00:10:01 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-01-19 - 2003-02-08 Message-Id: <20030209081001.C1E72AE4A2@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 00:10:01 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 7-Feb : Oh what a week I've had! It's been fun, but not the best kind. http://freebsddiary.org/what-a-week.php?2 28-Jan : Open Source Weekend - conference report OSW was a great event http://freebsddiary.org/osw-2003.php?2 21-Jan : Amazon, OSW, and my thanks More features, more advocacy, and more appreciation http://freebsddiary.org/index.html?2 -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://www.FreshPorts.org/ - the place for ports FreshSource - http://www.FreshSource.org/ - the place for source To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 9 16: 7: 4 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C910637B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 16:07:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from web12301.mail.yahoo.com (web12301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.99]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E85D43F3F for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 16:07:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joespr@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030210000702.20209.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.233.233.56] by web12301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 16:07:02 PST Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 16:07:02 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Springer Subject: Install from DOS partition: this newbie is totally confused To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Install FreeBSD 5 from DOS partition: Newbie totally confused. I am attempting to install FreeBSD 5 from DOS partition, but I am stymied. Here's where I am so far: 1. Created kern floppy: kern.flp using fdimage 2. Created mfsroot floppy : mfsroot.flp using fdimage 3. Copied entire CD (disk1) to DOS partition, to C:\freebsd The machine I want to install on has no CD-ROM drive. So this is what I do: 1. Insert kern floppy in A: and power on. Looks good, get the same kind of output as in the FreeBSD handbook, after a few minutes I get the message to put in the MFS root floppy. So I do. 2. Insert mfsroot floppy and press enter. Things continue happily for a few moments, I get the message "Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. Booting [kernel] in 9 seconds... " OK, so PC reboots with mfsboot floppy in it. 3. Upon reboot, I see the following: FreeBSD/i386 boot Default: 0:fd(0,a)/boot/loader boot: Now what to I do? I though I was supposed to get the Kernel Configuration Menu. How do I get the menu? I assume I want to get to the menu by accessing the CD files I copied to C:. But how? Also, I made a drivers floppy (drivers.flp) which the drivers.txt says contains msdosfs which I assume I will need to use to access the current C:, but how do I do this? Sorry for so many questions, but I have searched high and low in the FreeBSD Manual and FAQ, but I cannot figure it out myself. Thanks for your help, Joe __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 9 17:13:34 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF2437B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 17:13:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow058o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD20143F93 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 17:13:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfm@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from lexx ([62.31.198.203]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Mon, 10 Feb 2003 01:13:29 +0000 From: John Murphy To: Joe Springer Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Install from DOS partition: this newbie is totally confused Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 01:13:29 +0000 Organization: poor Reply-To: jfm@blueyonder.co.uk Message-ID: References: <20030210000702.20209.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030210000702.20209.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Install FreeBSD 5 from DOS partition: Newbie totally >confused. I'm not surprised. 5.0 release is 'Alpha ware' and installing from a DOS partition is perhaps the trickiest way, however: >I am attempting to install FreeBSD 5 from DOS >partition, but I am stymied. Here's where I am so far: > >1. Created kern floppy: kern.flp using fdimage >2. Created mfsroot floppy : mfsroot.flp using fdimage >3. Copied entire CD (disk1) to DOS partition, to >C:\freebsd > >The machine I want to install on has no CD-ROM drive. > >So this is what I do: > >1. Insert kern floppy in A: and power on. >Looks good, get the same kind of output as in the >FreeBSD handbook, after a few minutes I get the >message to put in the MFS root floppy. So I do. > >2. Insert mfsroot floppy and press enter.=20 >Things continue happily for a few moments, I get the >message > "Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key >for command prompt.=20 > Booting [kernel] in 9 seconds... " >OK, so PC reboots with mfsboot floppy in it. It certainly shouldn't re-boot at this stage. Is this 'known good' hardware? >3. Upon reboot, I see the following:=20 > FreeBSD/i386 boot > Default: 0:fd(0,a)/boot/loader > boot: As you would if you simply booted the 2nd. disk. >Now what to I do? Describe the hardware you're using and ask on FreeBSD-questions. Or try 4.7 release first. >I though I was supposed to get the Kernel >Configuration Menu.=20 You would have done usually. But the generic kernel on the kern.flp disc is not able to survive your hardware. You could try re-writing it. >How do I get the menu?=20 >I assume I want to get to the menu by accessing the CD >files I copied to C:. But how? You'll see ;) >Also, I made a drivers floppy (drivers.flp) which the >drivers.txt says contains msdosfs which I assume I >will need to use to access the current C:, but how do >I do this? You may be at the leading edge here, but I expect others have installed 5.0 this way. I'll try it myself if you get nowhere. It's worth the trouble. John. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 9 17:33:51 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50A637B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 17:33:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B0B43FA3 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 17:33:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfm@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from lexx ([62.31.198.203]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Mon, 10 Feb 2003 01:33:48 +0000 From: John Murphy To: newbies@freebsd.org Cc: joespr@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Install from DOS partition: this newbie is totally confused Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 01:33:48 +0000 Organization: poor Reply-To: jfm@blueyonder.co.uk Message-ID: <5nvd4vc60qkoten1hmp6rt37jdtp1jjj29@4ax.com> References: <20030210000702.20209.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>I though I was supposed to get the Kernel >>Configuration Menu.=20 > >You would have done usually. Although not with 5.0 if you're thinking of the visual configuration editor thing where device conflicts could be decreased. I haven't seen it on a 5.0 install so far. Perhaps 5.0 is harder to install on pre plug and play hardware with unusual IRQ/address ranges. John. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 9 18:43: 7 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A49C37B401; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from abcy.office-abc.co.jp (abcy.office-abc.co.jp [211.0.31.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6AD0543FBD; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:42:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from iidinjz@att.net) Received: from tjgc.upcnc [90.0.160.84] by abcy.office-abc.co.jp with ESMTP id AOUVUP; Sun, 09 Feb 03 18:37:19 +0400 Received: from 43izit6rj [43.134.43.24] by 90.0.160.84 with ESMTP id RIHYE; Sun, 09 Feb 03 18:21:19 +0400 Message-ID: <2x1gj7u13pn6ws-l9@8bn89yw09c> From: "Lana Hyatt" To: , , , , , , Subject: This is the email you have been waiting for Date: Sun, 09 Feb 03 18:21:19 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="7C4.F91._2_B6.E66EF" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --7C4.F91._2_B6.E66EF Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do you think that attorneys overcharge? http://rd.yahoo.com/^Random/075198/*http://198.170.236.87 And that is just the surface of what we offer! http://rd.yahoo.com/^Random/075198/*http://198.170.236.87 If you don't want to get anymore of these emails, click HERE: legalsys_rem88@yahoo.co.in and send us a blank email. --7C4.F91._2_B6.E66EF-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 9 21:32: 9 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D2C37B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:32:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from 12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com (12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com [12.234.22.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC2143F93 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:32:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from dougb.net (6d2dpk6fhmghto2q@dougb.net [10.0.0.1]) by 12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1A5W3S8002066; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:32:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:32:03 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Barton To: Joe Springer Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Install from DOS partition: this newbie is totally confused In-Reply-To: <20030210000702.20209.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030209213127.M866@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> References: <20030210000702.20209.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-message-flag: Outlook -- Not just for spreading viruses anymore! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The proper place for this is freebsd-questions. The -newbies list is supposed to be for discussion of new user experiences, not questions. Good luck, Doug -- "The last time France wanted more evidence, it rolled right through Paris with a German flag." - David Letterman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 9 21:35:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D4137B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:35:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from web12308.mail.yahoo.com (web12308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A8F8E43FE0 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:34:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joespr@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030210053403.58544.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.233.233.56] by web12308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 21:34:03 PST Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:34:03 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Springer Subject: Fwd: Re: Install from DOS partition: this newbie is totally confused To: newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John, Thanks for the replies and advice. I've learned a few things... 1. My questions like this should go to FreeBSD-questions. Sorry. 2. I begin to understand that much of the doc (FreeBSD Manual, FAQ) that I have been reading is probably not up to FreeBSD 5.0 yet. 3. The hardware I am atempting to install on is probably not where I should be on something as new as 5.0. (FWIW, the hw I've been trying to use is a 486 motherboard but with some not-off-the-shelf configuration.) 4. My *nix skills are probably not up to what I have been attempting with this project. I need to step back and try something easier for my first FreeBSD install. Joe > >>I though I was supposed to get the Kernel > >>Configuration Menu. > > > >You would have done usually. > > Although not with 5.0 if you're thinking of the > visual configuration > editor thing where device conflicts could be > decreased. I haven't > seen it on a 5.0 install so far. > > Perhaps 5.0 is harder to install on pre plug and > play hardware with > unusual IRQ/address ranges. > > John. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 10 10:43:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AEA437B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from thor.acuson.com (thor.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7818043FA3 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:43:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HA300DBPVYJNJ@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:42:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:35:48 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-188.acuson.com ([157.226.46.188]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id Y2R0KM3T; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:37:04 -0800 Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:42:46 -0800 From: Johnson David Subject: Re: Zip Drive Backups In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20030208084734.00a931b0@pop.omah.uswest.net> To: WolfRyder , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <200302101042.46068.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030208084734.00a931b0@pop.omah.uswest.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday 08 February 2003 07:02 am, WolfRyder wrote: > The instructions I found for backup were for tape backup, not zip > drive. Any suggestions? Any articles out there I missed (I'm sure > there are and I just didn't know where to look for them)? The > commands for tape backup don't work with zip drives (I tried them). Most backup programs expect tape drives. A few newer ones let you use cdrw as well. But I don't know of any that let you backup to arbitrary media. In any case, for "small" backup jobs like this, perhaps a simple script you write yourself would work best. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 11 1:36:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A0737B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 01:36:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta04.btfusion.com (mta04.btfusion.com [62.172.195.246]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51C243F85 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 01:36:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nepland@stn.com.br) Received: from [217.37.0.205] (helo=QCLSERVER.QuickCargo.local) by mta04.btfusion.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18iWq8-0001x6-01; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:36:33 +0000 Received: from dhivehinet.net.mv ([200.163.190.16]) by QCLSERVER.QuickCargo.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:36:31 +0000 Message-ID: <000055e06fbc$000038c5$000064f7@kangnung.ac.kr> To: Cc: , , , , , , , , , From: "Donna" Subject: CEO of L Air engages new Operation Safe Seat11142 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 01:35:34 -2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2003 09:36:33.0375 (UTC) FILETIME=[105D1EF0:01C2D1B1] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Undervalued Weekly Reporter Initiates Coverage: OTCBB: LAIR UWR ALERT: Since September 11th traveling by air has become a combat zone. This Belgian airline carrier is taking over Sabena's once coveted Brussels hub, creating low-cost direct international routes and providing high quality service. With all of its competitive advantages L-AIR Holdings (OTC BB: LAIR) is destined to become the "JetBlue" (NASDAQ: BLU) of Europe. HOW TO BENEFIT FROM THE AIRLINE CARRIER/TRAVEL CRISIS BY INVESTING IN HIGH GROWTH SAFE, SECURE and PROFITABLE GLOBAL CARRIERS? L-Air Holdings, Inc. (OTC BB: LAIR) - US$20M in revenue immediately from its first three routes. Shares Outstanding-----------------22.305 Million Shares in DTC----------------------4.5 Million DTC shares m'gt friendly-------900k DTC management shares----------3.2 Million DTC shares in public float-----400k Recent Price-----------------------$0.185 Year Low/Hi------------------------$0.09 - $0.185 Visist Website at lair.com If you are a frequent or even some-time airline passenger then you already know how important it is to not only receive a low-priced fare, but to get the most expeditious and friendly customer service possible. This is where most international airline carriers have failed since September 11th. Now that war with Iraq is likely, further financial crisis at most of the major airlines is also likely. Alternative international air carriers flying under flags from countries not likely to be the target of terrorist attack are seeing their bookings increase dramatically. So who benefits from this? The airline carriers in countries such as Belgium, France, Norway and others that, can operate safely and securely within this framework, while not sacrificing customer service and satisfaction through pricing. That is one of the reasons why we believe L-Air Holdings, Inc. (OTCBB: LAIR) will succeed particularly well in the short term. Long-term we feel that the OTCBB: LAIR business model combined with implementation by its impressive management team and in-place financiers will bring much higher valuations to this stock. The Company's commitment to cost efficiencies and customer satisfaction is at the core of its business model, just like JetBlue (NASDAQ: JBLU), Southwest Air (NYSE: LUV), and easyJet.com, all of whom are very successful within their respective markets and industry leaders. This international carrier is on the path to success. Fortune Magazine recently stated that Southwest Airlines is the all-time #1 successful investment. We feel L-Air Holdings is on a similar path. As recently reported in SPEEDNEWS (speednews.com), the newsletter of record for the aviation industry, L-Air Holdings is in the process of acquiring a European airline, Belgium Universal Airways, in order to receive an AOC (air operations certificate). Within one-month of finalizing the acquisition currently being negotiated and receipt of its AOC, expected to be complete by March 1, 2003, LAIR will operate two Airbus A340-300 aircraft over three high-traffic routes. Contracts for these routes are in place with tour operators and other agencies providing an initial and immediate revenue stream of approximately US$400k weekly, or annualized revenues in excess of $20 million from existing contracts. Based in Brussels, Belgian Universal Airways, through direct ownership by OTCBB: LAIR, is being transformed into a low-priced passenger airline providing exceptional customer service, much like its USA based counterpart, JetBlue (NASDAQ: JBLU). The Company plans an aggressive expansion campaign as led by its capable ex-Sabena staff and management with its financier and 51% owner Universal Capital Partners (UCP). UCP has already spent over US$5 million and committed an additional US$10 million in cash to the Company's initial operating budget. UCP has also signed leases with major aircraft manufacturers to provide LAIR with at least 5-Airbus 340-300 aircraft by year-end. UCP is a majority shareholder of LAIR. LAIR expects to take delivery of the first two freshly painted jets in April 2003 with the following routes to be serviced: Route 1) Brussels -to- Puntancana (Caribbean - one of the heaviest European tourist destinations currently) Route 2) Yervena -to- LAX (Contracts with Armenian agency to provide this much needed service to be announced upon successful completion of acquisition) Route 3) Toronto -to- Montreal -to- Delhi, India (No competition on this highly lucrative and much needed route as of yet) Three additional Airbus 340's are to be acquired through leases in the Fall of 2003. The carrier proposes to launch new operations from its Brussels hub in April 2003. Ask anyone in the airline industry what is the most promising source of revenue growth with the current political situation and insurance cost nightmare for U.S. and other majors and many will agree that small carriers with high-traffic routes and good low maintenance cost aircraft are the key. Focusing on profitable long haul routes with low-cost maintenance jets, while providing exceptional customer satisfaction OTCBB: LAIR is one of these carriers. The Company's commitment to cost efficiencies and customer satisfaction is at the core of its business model, just like JetBlue (NASDAQ: JBLU), Southwest Air (NYSE: LUV), and easyJet.com all of whom are very successful within their respective markets and industry leaders. This international carrier is on the path to success. About the Co. - Belgian Universal Airways, OTCBB: LAIR Europe needs a safe and decent, well run Airline, managed by highly qualified and experienced staff, that will provide good service at a fair price for everyone. Since the closure of Sabena in 2001 (the Belgian National Airline) due to Swiss Air's bankruptcy (Swiss Air had recently bought Sabena), there has been a need to revive the once thriving wide International Flight Network based in Brussels. In addition, since the September 11 tragedy, carriers that are not terrorist targets are increasingly being called upon to pick up these routes. Through an acquisition of 49% of Belgian Universal Airways by OTCBB: LAIR, UCP and Sabena's Captain Raymond Nicolai are now preparing to meet this need. Universal Capital Partners (UCP) is currently negotiating with the airline to finalize an acquisition that will give UCP 51% ownership, while 49% will reside with OTCBB: LAIR. UCP is the single largest shareholder of OTCBB: LAIR currently. This structure is necessary to meet ownership requirements mandating that 51% of a European air carrier be European owned. Captain Raymond Nicolai has dedicated his life to Aviation since 1968. He is an ex-Belgian Air Force fighter pilot and is an instructor on many types of Aircraft including the company's chosen A340. Captain Nicolai is bringing many of the former Sabena management and staff that will comprise the bulk of the company's 100 plus in number workforce. These well trained ex-Sabena staff members are dedicated to the Company's (OTCBB: LAIR) mission of creating a new Belgian National Airline that represents excellence in all aspects, including on-time flights, the highest level of customer service, cost efficiencies in operations and maximization of profitability for its investors. With the addition of many new international direct routes to markets including Asia, Middle East, Africa, USA, Canada, Caribbean and Europe the Company has a better than average chance of achieving success due to the lack of any competition servicing these routes currently. Belgian Universal will operate a fleet of 5 Airbus A340-300 aircraft capable of seating 220 Economy seats, 30 Business class full comfort pitch seat, and 10 First class sleeperettes. All Belgian Universal's aircraft feature roomy all-leather seats each equipped with satellite phones and full individual multi-media systems capable of delivering many different forms of entertainment, including: a large selection of movies / videos, music (MP3 and other format), computer/video games, and the soon to be offered "on-board" Internet services. All available at every seat along with the many high quality amenities not found on existing air carriers competing with the Company (OTCBB: LAIR). With Belgian Universal, all seats are assigned, a good percentage of travel is ticketless, all fares are one-way, and a Saturday night stay is never required. For more information, schedules and fares, please visit Website at lair.com. Press releases, can be found on the website at lair.com. Airline industry experts agree that the most promising source of revenue growth with the current political situation and insurance cost nightmare for U.S. and other majors is within the group of small carriers with high-traffic routes and low-maintenance cost aircraft. Focusing on profitable long haul routes with low-cost maintenance jets, while providing exceptional customer service, OTCBB: LAIR is one of these carriers. The Company's commitment to cost efficiencies and customer satisfaction is at the core of its business model, just like JetBlue (NASDAQ: JBLU), Southwest Air (NYSE: LUV), and easyJet.com, all of whom are very successful within their respective markets and industry leaders. 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Copyright 2000, 2001, 2002 all rights reserved To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 11 9:13:29 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EEF237B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:13:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FEF43F93 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:13:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Trader.Alerts@verizon.net) Received: from user-37ka498.dialup.mindspring.com ([207.69.17.40] helo=xandor-prime.Xandor.local) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18idwz-0005XA-00; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:12:05 -0800 Received: from relay.verizon.net (1Cust9.tnt28.dfw9.da.uu.net [67.234.73.9]) by xandor-prime.Xandor.local with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 1X92TBC3; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:33:08 -0500 Message-ID: <00006f2b426c$00000ae6$000052c8@relay.verizon.net> To: From: "Alert Service" Subject: Real Estate Stocks: Safe Haven for Investors Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:32:29 -1800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reply-To: Trader.Alerts@verizon.net X-Priority: 5 X-MSMail-Priority: Low MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) Sensitivity: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org SPECIAL ALERT
        =             &= nbsp;    Feb. 2003 Edition  - Featuring CNN Mon= ey and Reuters
<= /tr>
Each month Wall Street Monthly analysts study, re= search, and examine hundreds of NASDAQ stocks, in an effort to pinpoint th= e one with the most promise.

Th= is month's pick : World Associates Inc.

Symbol: WAIV

Current Price: $0.15

Opinion: Str= ong Buy

Mortgage rat= es have dipped to levels not seen since 1965 and stock markets are in a th= ree-year swoon. This has fueled home buying and building, making the secto= r one of the rare bright spots in a slumping U.S. economy. Mor= e.....

  The Housing Market is= Red Hot ! Construction spending rose 0.3% in November, helped by record a= ctivity in the red-hot housing market, the government reported.  = ;  More.....

  The median price of new and existin= g homes sold in San Bernardino County during November skyrocketed 18.2 per= cent from a year earlier.    More.....<= /P>

The results are in. Last year was another record-setting year for= real estate thanks to an economy with low interest rates.  &nbs= p; More.....

Re= cent News:

 Highlights of Current and Future Success:

 - Rec= ently acquired more than $10 M in real estate assets

 - Projected sales of $100,000,000 over four years

<= p class=3DMsoNormal> - More than $5M in earnings projected for eac= h of 2003 and 2004

 -  Real estat= e may provide assets that allow for a listing on a major exchange

<= p class=3DMsoNormal> - Incorporating environmentally friendly and = sustainable technologies

<= b>WAIV Aims High, Determined To Succ= eed:

World is extending th= e real estate concept of "highest and best use" to include quali= ty of life considerations. A "higher and better" use for real pr= operty is to find the very most profitable use that also provides a benefi= cial impact to the community and environment. World believes that this app= roach will be a key to successful real property development in the future.=

<= table cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D3 width=3D340 border=3D0 height=3D76><= tr>A Closer Look:
World Associates, Inc. (World) was founded in 1990 and it = has evolved into a fully integrated real estate enterprise. World is combi= ning access to the capital markets, a competency with Internet technology,= a portfolio of sustainable technologies, and the inherent strength of rea= l estate as a means of creating shareholder value. Early in 2002 World acq= uired more than $10 million in real estate assets. The company is negotiat= ing other joint venture opportunities and alliances, and it will continue = to expand it's growing portfolio of assets to develop.

Objective= :

The company=FFFFFF92s immediate objective is to = execute a plan of development for it's current assets that include more th= an 300 acres of property valued at more than $10,000,000. When fully devel= oped, the property will support more than 700 homes representing more than= $100,000,000 in total sales over the next four years. The company will co= ntinue to add to the assets it owns, focusing on land development, afforda= ble housing, 55+ housing, and infill housing.

= = Points to Consider:

  • This stock is based on r= eal estate, the traditional hard asset
    • Manufactured housing is the future-New ho= mes cost up to 35% less than regular construction
  • Affordable housing will always be in demand=
  • This is an early stage opportun= ity with good upside potential
  •  Rain or Shine, = manufactured housing construction continues without delay from weather con= ditions.

Conclusion:

Real estate is the tra= ditional hard asset and it is the foundation of World Associates, Inc. The= strength and potential for growth embodied by the current real estate mar= ket, dictates that this sector be in the spotlight for creating value.=

The Savvy Investor chooses its first pick of the New Year - Worl= d Associates Inc. (WAIV). With their strategic positioning and acquisition= s WAIV is sure to move to the forefront of the sector. In an unstable mark= et - its a necessity to add strong stocks to your portfolio.

= This has been the February Edition of The Savvy Investor Newsletter.

Editing Chairman

Joi= n our premiere update and get a sneak preview of upcoming reports. = <= /p>

Disclaimer:

The Savvy Investor Newsletter provides= information on selected companies that it believes has investment potenti= al. The&nbs= p; Savvy Investor Newsletter is not a registere= d investment advisor or broker - dealer. This report is provided as an inf= ormation service only, and the statements and opinions in this report shou= ld not be construed as an offer or solicitation to buy or sell any securit= y. Savvy In= vestor Newsletter accepts no liability for any loss = arising from an investors reliance on or use of this report. An investment= in WAIV is considered to be highly speculative and should not be consider= ed unless a person can afford a complete loss of investment. The Savvy Investor Newsl= etter  has been retained to distribute this rep= ort on WAIV and has been paid fifteen hundred dollars by a third party. Th= is report involves forward looking statements, which involve risk, and unc= ertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those s= et forth in the forward - looking statements. For further details concerni= ng these risks and uncertainties, see the SEC filings of WAIV including th= e company's most recent annual and quarte= rly reports.

If you feel that this service is no longer o= f benefit to you, and you do not want to be notified along with the invest= ors on this list, please  CLICK HERE<= /font> NOTE: By blocking your email address from the= recipients you will no longer receive your FREE company advisory nor your= FREE company update in the Future.
To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 11 9:52:43 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010A937B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:52:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail6-sh.home.nl (mail6.home.nl [213.51.128.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F7243F93 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:52:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Peter1994@home.nl) Received: from cc134482-a ([217.120.224.34]) by mail6-sh.home.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030211175236.JSFE3290.mail6-sh.home.nl@cc134482-a> for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:52:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Unix Freebsd From: Peter Organization: DJB Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:51:21 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera7.01/Win32 M2 build 2651 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello people, Maybe a stupid question but iam working lately on a unixbased system.. and i am learning the skills... At mine work we have a discussion about the names of the folders especially one folder; ETC.. lot of books [internetfiles] comment this one as ETCetera... Is this true? We think not, because in it are configuration files.. like *.conf Is the C a part of Configuration? And are the next ones true? BIN=Binairy USR=Unix Sytem Resources?? Sorry for the bad englisch, but mine native language is dutch... :) Waiting for your answer.. Greetz from the netherlands! -- Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 11 9:59:23 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3817D37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:59:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from deimos.frii.net (deimos.frii.com [216.17.128.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B88E43F75 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:59:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tpconnolly@frii.com) Received: from tconnolly (g8denver.org [207.109.48.8] (may be forged)) by deimos.frii.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1BHxChB099851; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:59:12 -0700 (MST) From: "Thomas Connolly" To: "'Peter'" , Subject: RE: Unix Freebsd Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:59:09 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c2d1f7$48df5b80$5608a8c0@ceesi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here is the rundown on Unix filesystems. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/dirstructure.ht= ml etc - usually pronounced et - see =3D System configuration and scripts Hope this helps. Thomas P. Connolly Senior Development Engineer Colorado Engineering Experiment Station Inc. Phone: (970) 897-2711 Fax: (970) 897-2710 Email: tconnolly@ceesi.com =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:51 AM To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Unix Freebsd Hello people, Maybe a stupid question but iam working lately on a unixbased system.. = and=20 i am learning the skills... At mine work we have a discussion about the names of the folders = especially=20 one folder; ETC.. lot of books [internetfiles] comment this one as=20 ETCetera... Is this true? We think not, because in it are configuration files.. like *.conf Is the = C=20 a part of Configuration? And are the next ones true? BIN=3DBinairy USR=3DUnix Sytem Resources?? Sorry for the bad englisch, but mine native language is dutch... :) Waiting for your answer.. Greetz from the netherlands! --=20 Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 11 10:20:57 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654B037B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:20:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F6843F85 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:20:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jolok@myrealbox.com) Received: from inspectorbox jolok@smtp-send.myrealbox.com [130.94.160.46] by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.28 $ on Novell NetWare; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:20:53 -0700 From: "Joshua Lokken" To: "Thomas Connolly" , "'Peter'" , Subject: RE: Unix Freebsd Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:20:53 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <000901c2d1f7$48df5b80$5608a8c0@ceesi.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Do you know where the abbreviations came from, ie. what does 'etc' stand [stood] for? Joshua > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Thomas Connolly > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 9:59 AM > To: 'Peter'; freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: Unix Freebsd > > > Here is the rundown on Unix filesystems. > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/dirs > tructure.html > > etc - usually pronounced et - see = System configuration and scripts > > Hope this helps. > > Thomas P. Connolly > Senior Development Engineer > Colorado Engineering Experiment Station Inc. > Phone: (970) 897-2711 > Fax: (970) 897-2710 > Email: tconnolly@ceesi.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Peter > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:51 AM > To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: Unix Freebsd > > Hello people, > > Maybe a stupid question but iam working lately on a unixbased > system.. and > i am learning the skills... > At mine work we have a discussion about the names of the > folders especially > one folder; ETC.. lot of books [internetfiles] comment this one as > ETCetera... > Is this true? > We think not, because in it are configuration files.. like > *.conf Is the C > a part of Configuration? > > And are the next ones true? BIN=Binairy USR=Unix Sytem Resources?? > > Sorry for the bad englisch, but mine native language is dutch... :) > > Waiting for your answer.. Greetz from the netherlands! > > -- > Peter > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 11 10:24:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B78237B405 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:24:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from thor.acuson.com (thor.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F51E43FB1 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:24:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HA500FMQPRNAM@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:23:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:17:15 -0800 Received: from acuson.com (bull.acuson.com [157.226.46.72]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id Y2R0K0N1; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:18:38 -0800 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:24:26 -0800 From: Johnson David Subject: Re: Unix Freebsd To: Peter Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <3E493FDA.4020301@acuson.com> Organization: Acuson MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020611 References: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Peter wrote: > Hello people, > > Maybe a stupid question but iam working lately on a unixbased system.. > and i am learning the skills... > At mine work we have a discussion about the names of the folders > especially one folder; ETC.. lot of books [internetfiles] comment this > one as ETCetera... > Is this true? I'm sure there's a real acronym in there somewhere, but I prefer to think of it as simply "etcetera". I've been using UNIX for twenty years, and no one has set me straight yet. > And are the next ones true? BIN=Binairy USR=Unix Sytem Resources?? bin = "bin" as in executable binary, and not "bin" as in storage bin. usr = short for "user", at least that's how I always viewed it. I'm probably wrong, but old habits die hard. It makes sense, because software that is meant for the multiple users (either end users or sysadmins) are stored in /usr somewhere, unless they are needed at boot time or in single user mode. In the long run, these names mean whatever you want them to mean. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 11 10:30:51 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B4A37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:30:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from deimos.frii.net (deimos.frii.com [216.17.128.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0C143F93 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:30:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tpconnolly@frii.com) Received: from tconnolly (g8denver.org [207.109.48.8] (may be forged)) by deimos.frii.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1BIUigX042604; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:30:44 -0700 (MST) From: "Thomas Connolly" To: "'Johnson David'" , "'Peter'" Cc: Subject: RE: Unix Freebsd Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:30:43 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c2d1fb$b0dc76b0$5608a8c0@ceesi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-reply-to: <3E493FDA.4020301@acuson.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here here! I agree with everything you said. Thomas P. Connolly Senior Development Engineer Colorado Engineering Experiment Station Inc. Phone: (970) 897-2711 Fax: (970) 897-2710 Email: tconnolly@ceesi.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Johnson David Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 11:24 AM To: Peter Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unix Freebsd Peter wrote: > Hello people, > > Maybe a stupid question but iam working lately on a unixbased system.. > and i am learning the skills... > At mine work we have a discussion about the names of the folders > especially one folder; ETC.. lot of books [internetfiles] comment this > one as ETCetera... > Is this true? I'm sure there's a real acronym in there somewhere, but I prefer to think of it as simply "etcetera". I've been using UNIX for twenty years, and no one has set me straight yet. > And are the next ones true? BIN=Binairy USR=Unix Sytem Resources?? bin = "bin" as in executable binary, and not "bin" as in storage bin. usr = short for "user", at least that's how I always viewed it. I'm probably wrong, but old habits die hard. It makes sense, because software that is meant for the multiple users (either end users or sysadmins) are stored in /usr somewhere, unless they are needed at boot time or in single user mode. In the long run, these names mean whatever you want them to mean. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 11 10:38: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7578237B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:38:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E084843FB1 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:38:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jolok@myrealbox.com) Received: from inspectorbox jolok@smtp-send.myrealbox.com [130.94.160.46] by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.28 $ on Novell NetWare; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:38:03 -0700 From: "Joshua Lokken" To: "Thomas Connolly" , "'Johnson David'" , "'Peter'" Cc: Subject: RE: Unix Freebsd Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:38:01 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <000a01c2d1fb$b0dc76b0$5608a8c0@ceesi.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks! Joshua > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Thomas Connolly > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:31 AM > To: 'Johnson David'; 'Peter' > Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: Unix Freebsd > > > Here here! I agree with everything you said. > > Thomas P. Connolly > Senior Development Engineer > Colorado Engineering Experiment Station Inc. > Phone: (970) 897-2711 > Fax: (970) 897-2710 > Email: tconnolly@ceesi.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Johnson David > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 11:24 AM > To: Peter > Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Unix Freebsd > > Peter wrote: > > Hello people, > > > > Maybe a stupid question but iam working lately on a > unixbased system.. > > and i am learning the skills... > > At mine work we have a discussion about the names of the folders > > especially one folder; ETC.. lot of books [internetfiles] > comment this > > one as ETCetera... > > Is this true? > > I'm sure there's a real acronym in there somewhere, but I prefer to > think of it as simply "etcetera". I've been using UNIX for > twenty years, > and no one has set me straight yet. > > > And are the next ones true? BIN=Binairy USR=Unix Sytem Resources?? > > bin = "bin" as in executable binary, and not "bin" as in storage bin. > > usr = short for "user", at least that's how I always viewed it. I'm > probably wrong, but old habits die hard. It makes sense, because > software that is meant for the multiple users (either end users or > sysadmins) are stored in /usr somewhere, unless they are > needed at boot > time or in single user mode. > > In the long run, these names mean whatever you want them to mean. > > David > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 11 10:56:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797E437B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:56:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from motgate5.mot.com (motgate5.mot.com [144.189.100.105]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D57E43FA3 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:56:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Charles.S.Libby@motorola.com) Received: from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by motgate5.mot.com (Motorola/Motgate5) with ESMTP id h1BIuCuZ021303 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:56:13 -0700 (MST) Received: [from il33exm02.wes.mot.com (il33exm02.wes.mot.com [154.56.3.102]) by pobox.mot.com (MOT-pobox 2.0) with ESMTP id LAA08241 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:56:21 -0700 (MST)] Received: from motorola.com (DHCP129_188_138_177.corp.mot.com [129.188.138.177]) by il33exm02.wes.mot.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2656.59) id 1SRVB96M; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:56:21 -0600 Message-ID: <3E494615.1000805@motorola.com> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:51:01 -0600 From: "Charles S. Libby" Reply-To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Unix Freebsd References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org One of the possible acronyms used for etc is E = Extended T = Tool C = Chest Just one thought. Charles Joshua Lokken wrote: >Thanks! > >Joshua > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >>[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Thomas Connolly >>Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:31 AM >>To: 'Johnson David'; 'Peter' >>Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org >>Subject: RE: Unix Freebsd >> >> >>Here here! I agree with everything you said. >> >>Thomas P. Connolly >>Senior Development Engineer >>Colorado Engineering Experiment Station Inc. >>Phone: (970) 897-2711 >>Fax: (970) 897-2710 >>Email: tconnolly@ceesi.com >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org >>[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Johnson David >>Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 11:24 AM >>To: Peter >>Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org >>Subject: Re: Unix Freebsd >> >>Peter wrote: >> >> >>>Hello people, >>> >>>Maybe a stupid question but iam working lately on a >>> >>> >>unixbased system.. >> >> >>>and i am learning the skills... >>>At mine work we have a discussion about the names of the folders >>>especially one folder; ETC.. lot of books [internetfiles] >>> >>> >>comment this >> >> >>>one as ETCetera... >>>Is this true? >>> >>> >>I'm sure there's a real acronym in there somewhere, but I prefer to >>think of it as simply "etcetera". I've been using UNIX for >>twenty years, >>and no one has set me straight yet. >> >> >> >>>And are the next ones true? BIN=Binairy USR=Unix Sytem Resources?? >>> >>> >>bin = "bin" as in executable binary, and not "bin" as in storage bin. >> >>usr = short for "user", at least that's how I always viewed it. I'm >>probably wrong, but old habits die hard. It makes sense, because >>software that is meant for the multiple users (either end users or >>sysadmins) are stored in /usr somewhere, unless they are >>needed at boot >>time or in single user mode. >> >>In the long run, these names mean whatever you want them to mean. >> >>David >> >>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message >> >> >>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message >> >> >> > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 11 13:11: 7 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AAD737B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:11:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.hccnet.nl (smtp.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A25943FA3 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:11:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from duiker@haggis.nl) Received: from zeus by smtp.hccnet.nl via fia148-72.dsl.hccnet.nl [62.251.72.148] with ESMTP for id h1BLAnqP021351 (8.12.5/2.00); Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:10:52 +0100 (MET) From: "Colin J. Raven" To: Subject: RE: Unix Freebsd Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:08:43 +0100 Message-ID: <001601c2d211$c2899a30$1500000a@scrk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <3E494615.1000805@motorola.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Damn, that's clever. I never thought of that...(seriously!! I'm really *not* being sarcastic) What kind of a mind do you have?? Awesome and creepy at the same time :-) -Colin On February 11th 2003 at 19:56 CET Charles S. Libby said; =20 +> One of the possible acronyms used for etc is +> E =3D Extended +> T =3D Tool +> C =3D Chest +>=20 +> Just one thought. +> Charles +> >>Peter wrote: +> >> =20 +> >> +> >>>Hello people, +> >>> +> >>>Maybe a stupid question but iam working lately on a +> >>> =20 +> >>> +> >>unixbased system.. +> >> =20 +> >> +> >>>and i am learning the skills... +> >>>At mine work we have a discussion about the names of the folders +> >>>especially one folder; ETC.. lot of books [internetfiles] +> >>> =20 +> >>> +> >>comment this +> >> =20 +> >> +> >>>one as ETCetera... +> >>>Is this true? +> >>> =20 +> >>> +> >>I'm sure there's a real acronym in there somewhere, but I prefer to +> >>think of it as simply "etcetera". I've been using UNIX for +> >>twenty years, +> >>and no one has set me straight yet. +> >> +> >> =20 +> >> +> >>>And are the next ones true? BIN=3DBinairy USR=3DUnix Sytem=20 +> Resources?? +> >>> =20 +> >>> +> >>bin =3D "bin" as in executable binary, and not "bin" as in=20 +> storage bin. +> >> +> >>usr =3D short for "user", at least that's how I always viewed it. = I'm +> >>probably wrong, but old habits die hard. It makes sense, because +> >>software that is meant for the multiple users (either end users or +> >>sysadmins) are stored in /usr somewhere, unless they are +> >>needed at boot +> >>time or in single user mode. +> >> +> >>In the long run, these names mean whatever you want them to mean. +> >> +> >>David +>=20 +>=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 12 0: 5: 3 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D03337B405 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:05:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from kkman.com.tw (TC210-202-84-32.adsl.pl.apol.com.tw [210.202.84.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00BCC44027 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:04:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from junny@kkman.com.tw) From: junny@kkman.com.tw Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6p9qkXaxPs+EuLi4=?= Reply-To: junny@kkman.com.tw Date: 12 Feb 2003 16:04:48 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20030212080448.00BCC44027@mx1.FreeBSD.org> To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ¤¤°ª¦~ÄÖ¥¢·~¦M¾÷

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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 12 13:10:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64C637B401; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:10:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from cobalt.anytimehosting.net (cobalt.anytimehosting.net [200.30.53.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40A143F93; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:10:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from planetakike@planetakike.com) Received: from planetakike.com (ayustar-216-72-76-142.ayustar.net [216.72.76.142] (may be forged)) by cobalt.anytimehosting.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id h1CL9NR12128; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:09:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:09:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200302122109.h1CL9NR12128@cobalt.anytimehosting.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: planetakike@planetakike.com Reply-To: planetakike@planetakike.com To: planetakike@planetakike.com Subject: PlaNeTa kIKe.coM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org PlaNeTa kIKe.coM cOnTRa tOdA AuTOriDaD <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> </body> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 12 13:52: 9 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D70237B401; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:51:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebsd.org (p50867E3A.dip.t-dialin.net [80.134.126.58]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8985943FE5; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:51:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from james1k3@netscape.net) X-Priority: 1 From: To: "majordomo@freebsd.org" Subject: [private and confindential] Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:53:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BC2B74.89D1CCC0" Message-Id: <20030212215133.8985943FE5@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC2B74.89D1CCC0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable AMSTERDAM, THE NETHERLANDS. CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS PROPOSAL. You may be surprised to receive this letter from me since you do not know me personally. I am Carol Makali, the only child of James Makali,the most popular black farmer in Zimbabwe who was murdered in the land dispute in my country. I got your contact through network online hence decided to write you. Before the death of my father, he had taken me to Johannesburg to deposit the sum of US8.6 million (Eight million, Six Hundred thousand United States dollars), in one of the private security company, as he foresaw the looming danger in Zimbabwe this money was deposited in a box as gem stones to avoid much demurrage from security company. This amount was meant for the purchase of new machines and chemicals for the Farms and establishment of new farms in Swaziland. This land problem came when Zimbabwean President Mr. Robert Mugabe introduced a new Land Act Reform wholly affecting the rich white farmers and some few black farmers, and this resulted to the killing and mob action by Zimbabwean war veterans and some lunatics in the society. In fact a lot of people were killed because of this Land reform Act for which my father was one of the victims. It is against this background that, I and my mother fled Zimbabwe for fear of our lives and are currently staying in the Netherlands where we are seeking political asylum and moreso have decided to transfer my father’s money to a more reliable foreign account. since the law of Netherlands prohibits a refugee (asylum seeker) to open any bank account or to be involved in any financial transaction throughout the territorial zone of Netherlands, As the only child of my father, I am saddled with the responsibility of seeking a genuine foreign account where this money could be transferred without the knowledge of my government who are bent on taking everything we have got. The South African government seems to be playing along with them. I am faced with the dilemma of moving this amount of money out of South Africa for fear of going through the same experience in future, both countries have similar political history. As a businesslady,I am seeking for a partner who I have to entrust my future and that of my family in his hands, I must let you know that this transaction is risk free. If you accept to assist me and my mother, all I want you to do for me, is to make an arrangements with the security company to clear the consignment(funds) from their afiliate office here in the Netherlands as i have already given directives for the consignment to be brought to the Netherlands from South Africa.But before then all modalities will have to be put in place like change of ownership to the consignment and more importantly this money I intend to use for investment. I have two options for you. Firstly you can choose to have certain percentage of the money for nominating your account for this transaction. Or you can go into partnership with me for the proper profitable investment of the money in your country. Whichever the option you want, feel free to notify me. I have also mapped out 5% of this money for all kinds of expenses incurred in the process of this transaction. If you do not prefer a partnership I am willing to give you 20% of the money while the remaining 75% will be for my investment in your country. Contact me with the above telephone number or my E-mail address while I implore you to maintain the absolute secrecy required in this transaction. Thanks, GOD BLESS YOU Yours Faithfully, Carol Makali. 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Âíóòðåííèé äèàìåòð øïóëè, ìì

76

Ïðî÷íîñòü ïðè ðàñòÿæåíèè âäîëü/ïîïåðåê, êã/ñì2

Íå ìåíåå 150/140

ÃÎÑÒ 14236-81

Îòíîñèòåëüíîå óäëèíåíèå ïðè ðàçðûâå âäîëü/ïîïåðåê, %

Íå ìåíåå 250/300

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Óñàäêà ïðîäîëüíàÿ, %

Äî 80

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Äî 40

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200-1500

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40-150

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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 12 15:47:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1975637B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:47:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from pop017.verizon.net (pop017pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0347F43F93 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:47:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david.radovanovic@verizon.net) Received: from bigone ([141.149.122.203]) by pop017.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20030212234752.CITF10203.pop017.verizon.net@bigone> for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:47:52 -0600 Reply-To: From: "David Radovanovic" To: Subject: Disks fillin up Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:47:51 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1503723687.20021228134909@fpm.kubsu.ru> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [141.149.122.203] at Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:47:51 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm sorry if this is the wrong forum though I've searched the typical places including user groups. My problem is that my / is 102% capacity: rsc-web1# df -hi Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity iused ifree %iused Mounted on /dev/ad0s1a 126M 118M -2.2M 102% 2976 13278 18% / /dev/ad0s1f 252M 118K 232M 0% 12 32498 0% /tmp /dev/ad0s1g 8.7G 2.0G 6.0G 25% 170443 971955 15% /usr /dev/ad0s1e 252M 158M 74M 68% 2792 29718 9% /var /dev/ad2s1e 126M 2.0K 116M 0% 1 16253 0% /backup /dev/ad2s1f 252M 55M 177M 24% 2735 29775 8% /backupvar /dev/ad2s1g 252M 4.0K 232M 0% 4 32506 0% /backuptmp /dev/ad2s1h 18G 2.0G 14G 12% 171945 2166613 7% /backupusr procfs 4.0K 4.0K 0B 100% 49 1459 3% /proc rsc-web1# uname -r 4.6-RC Any obvious solutions or recommended reading? Thanks :) David Radovanovic WhatsTheBigIdea.com, Inc. -- Bright ideas for the Web! 249 Partition Street Saugerties, New York 12477 (845) 247-0909, FAX: (845) 246-3880 http://www.WhatsTheBigIdea.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 12 17: 5:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D319C37B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:05:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from thor.acuson.com (ac17859.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C205843FAF for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:05:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HA800G032Z9V0@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:04:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:57:47 -0800 Received: from Siemens.com (dhcp-46-167.acuson.com [157.226.46.167]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id Y2R0LYPH; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:59:08 -0800 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:04:55 -0800 From: Johnson David Subject: Re: Disks fillin up In-reply-to: To: dave@whatsthebigidea.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <3E4AEF37.6000402@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20030211 References: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Radovanovic wrote: >Any obvious solutions or recommended reading? > > The obvious solution is to find out what's filling up your root partition. Since you don't have either /tmp or /var mounted there, I suspect that you either have A) a whole bunch of old kernels; B) have a whole bunch of coredumps under /; or C) you've been using root as a login account, and now have too much stuff in /root. 126M is more than enough room for a root partition that doesn't have /tmp or /var. For further reading, see the du manpage. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 12 18:33:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE38C37B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:33:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts5.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C826B43FA3 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:33:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from krockmitaine@sympatico.ca) Received: from sympatico.ca ([65.94.194.88]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20030213023310.MTWZ17488.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@sympatico.ca>; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:33:10 -0500 Message-ID: <3E4B03AC.6070601@sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:32:12 -0500 From: Marc LeMaire User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021005 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, fr, fr-be, fr-ca, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Johnson David Cc: dave@whatsthebigidea.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disks fillin up References: <3E4AEF37.6000402@Siemens.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As recommended reading, you can start with "Dealing with full disks" from Michael Lucas : http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2001/09/27/Big_Scary_Daemons.html Marc Johnson David wrote: > David Radovanovic wrote: > >> Any obvious solutions or recommended reading? >> >> > The obvious solution is to find out what's filling up your root > partition. Since you don't have either /tmp or /var mounted there, I > suspect that you either have A) a whole bunch of old kernels; B) have > a whole bunch of coredumps under /; or C) you've been using root as a > login account, and now have too much stuff in /root. 126M is more than > enough room for a root partition that doesn't have /tmp or /var. > > For further reading, see the du manpage. > > David > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 12 22:32:31 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0684B37B401; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:32:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntserver.emergo.com (mail.emergo.com [212.153.180.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5BAD43F3F; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:32:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@163.com) Received: from plain (LINAFTE [218.66.13.117]) by ntserver.emergo.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 1XPMDCAL; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 06:18:27 +0100 From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@163.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: É¢»§±¦E×é³ÉÁ¢£¬Ð´º´óÌػݣ¬Ãû¶îÓÐÏÞ£¬¿ìÈ¥Ë÷È¡ÐÂÕ³̰ɣ¡ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:25:47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="DEFAULT_CHARSET" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-Id: <20030213063210.B5BAD43F3F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org É¢»§±¦E×é³ÉÁ¢£¬Ð´º´óÌػݣ¬Ãû¶îÓÐÏÞ£¬¿ìÈ¥Ë÷È¡ÐÂÕ³̰ɣ¡ ÏÈ»ñÀûºó¸¶·Ñ£¡ ÎȽ¡»ñÀû£¬É¢»§±¦ÔÙÒ»´ÎÀûÓÃÎÒÃǵÄʵÁ¦£¬ÓÐЧµÄ¹æ±Ü´óÅ̵ķç ÏÕ¡£2002ÄêÏ°ëÄêµÄ²Ù×÷½áÊøÁË£¬ÔÚ´óÅ̵ø·ù´ï20.8%µÄ´óÐÜÊУ¬Ï °ëÄêÉ¢»§±¦¸÷ÕË»§µÄ¾ùÖµ»ñÀûÒÀ¾É´ïµ½ÁË8.92%£¬×î¼ÑÕË»§»ñÀû´ï17. 4% 2003ÄêµÄÐÐÇéÒÀ¾É²»ÈÝÀÖ¹Û£¬Ö»ÓжÔÏûÏ¢ÃæµÄ׼ȷ°ÑÎÕ£¬ ¼¼ÊõÃæ µÄ͸³¹Àí½â£¬²ÅÄÜʵÏÖÕË»§ÊÐÖµµÄÎȽ¡ÔöÕÇ¡£ËÄÄêÀ´µÄ»áÔ±·þÎñʵÁ¦ £¬¶ÔÖйú¹ÉÊÐÐÐÇéµÄÓÐÁ¦°ÑÎÕ£¬ÕâÒ»Çж¼±íÃ÷É¢»§±¦ÕæÕæÕýÕý·þÎñÓÚ ¹ã´óÉ¢»§£¬ÊÇÄúÖµµÃÐÅÈεĴó¹Ü¼Ò¡£Ñ¡ÔñÎÒÃÇ£¬Ò²¾ÍÑ¡ÔñÁËÎȽ¡Ó¯Àû £¬ÎÞÓdz´¹ÉµÄδÀ´£¡ÕæÕý°Ñ¡°×¬Ç®¾ÍÊÇÓ²µÀÀí¡±Â䵽ʵ´¦£¡ÏÈ»ñÀûºó ¸¶·Ñ£¬Õâ¾ÍÊÇÎÒÃÇʵÁ¦µÄ³Ðŵ£¡ É¢»§±¦E×é³ÉÁ¢£¬Ð´º´óÌػݣ¬Ãû¶îÓÐÏÞ£¬¿ìÈ¥Ë÷È¡ÐÂÕ³̰ɣ¡ ÏÈ»ñÀûºó¸¶·Ñ£¡ ¹ÉÊзçÔƱä»Ã£¬¶ÔÓÚÔÚ×ʽð¼¼ÊõÏûÏ¢µÈ·½ÃæÕ¼ÁÓÊƵÄÄúÀ´½²Äܵà ɢ»§±¦½ðÅ£×ÊѶµÄÖ¸µ¼ÎÞÒÉÊǸöºÃÑ¡Ôñ¡£Ì¤Ì¤ÊµÊµµÄ·ÖÎöºÍÃ÷È·µÄÖ¸ µ¼£¬ÊÇÓÃʱ¼ä»»È¡Îȶ¨ÊÕÒæµÄͶ×ÊÀíÄҲÊDZ¾¹¤×÷ÊÒµÄ×ÚÖ¼£»ÏàÐÅ ±¾¹¤×÷ÊÒµÄְҵˮ׼±Ø½«Ê¹Äú°ÚÍÑ¡°»¨Á¦Æø¡¢Å⾫Á¦¡¢¿÷Àϱ¾¡±µÄ¾Ö Ã棬ÕæÕý°Ñ¡°×¬Ç®¾ÍÊÇÓ²µÀÀí¡±Â䵽ʵ´¦£¡ÏÈ»ñÀûºó¸¶·Ñ£¬Õâ¾ÍÊÇÎÒ ÃÇʵÁ¦µÄ³Ðŵ£¡ ÏÈ»ñÀûºó¸¶·Ñ£¡ Ò»ÑùµÄÅÌÃ棬²»Ò»ÑùµÄÊÕÒ棬À´°É£¬Ñ¡ÔñÎÒÃÇ£¬Ñ¡ÔñÄãÃÇÎÞÓÇÓ¯Àû µÄ½«À´£¡ºÍÎÒÃǵĻáÔ±Ò»ÆðÏíÊÜÎÞÓdz´¹É£¬ÇáËÉÓ¯ÀûµÄÀÖȤ°É£¡ ÓÐÒâÕßÇëÁ¢¼´ÖÂÐÅsanhubao2002@vip.163.comË÷È¡Èë»áÕ³̣¨º¬ É¢»§±¦µÄÒµ¼¨£©¡£ É¢»§±¦½ðÅ£×Éѯ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 12 22:35:10 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68BBD37B405; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:34:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from globalpromoter.com (97.35.35.65.cfl.rr.com [65.35.35.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6FCFE44063; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:33:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from levi@globalpromoter.com) Message-ID: <000111b5da53$deb31361$23602874@quaembm.mau> From: To: Website@FreeBSD.ORG, owner@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: GlobalPromoter.com 1st Page listings on Google Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 00:13:06 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org globalpromoter

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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 13 2:16:13 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1F8137B401 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 02:16:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from fmx1.freemail.hu (fmx1.freemail.hu [195.228.242.221]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5CD3243FBD for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 02:16:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gannater@freemail.hu) Received: (qmail 28918 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2003 11:16:09 +0100 Received: from fm1.freemail.hu (195.228.242.201) by fmx1.freemail.hu with SMTP; 13 Feb 2003 11:16:09 +0100 Received: (qmail 73296 invoked by uid 3644897); 13 Feb 2003 11:16:09 +0100 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:16:09 +0100 (CET) From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Gannater_J=E1nos?= Subject: Postfix To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [62.201.87.188] X-HTTP-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-2 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I use postfix as my default MTA. I can send E-mails with Outlook (via SMTP) to the users in my computer, but not to the outdside world, with another domain. How can I send e-mails to another domain? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 13 9:38:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58D537B401 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC40343FDD for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:38:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-a026.otenet.gr [212.205.215.26]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1DHcD4A023012 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 19:38:14 +0200 (EET) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h1DHbnnA000994 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 19:37:49 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.7/8.12.7/Submit) id h1DF0iPL087946; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:00:44 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:00:44 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Gannater J?nos Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Postfix Message-ID: <20030213150044.GB60144@gothmog.gr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2003-02-13 11:16, Gannater J?nos wrote: > I use postfix as my default MTA. > I can send E-mails with Outlook (via SMTP) to the users in my > computer, but not to the outdside world, with another domain. > How can I send e-mails to another domain? Post details of your Postfix setup to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 13 13:50:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF7B37B401 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:50:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com [24.93.36.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08ACC43FBD for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:50:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ARL@Telcoman.com) Received: from chris2.Telcoman.com (cs24332-69.austin.rr.com [24.243.32.69]) by ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h1DLjJbn021902 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:45:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030213153706.00aa0c60@pop.telcoman.com> X-Sender: arl%telcoman.com@pop.telcoman.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:39:56 -0600 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org From: ARL Subject: FREE BSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings, I'm involved with a project to establish several Retail ISP's using BSD software and systems. I'm looking for some excellent engineering books and manuals for staff education and training. Would you have any recommendations ? We are all excited about finally moving to open systems. Thanks, ARL To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 13 13:54:24 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F6337B405 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:54:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from deimos.frii.net (deimos.frii.com [216.17.128.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC8143FBF for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:54:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tpconnolly@frii.com) Received: from tconnolly (g8denver.org [207.109.48.8] (may be forged)) by deimos.frii.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1DLsLTF040507; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:54:21 -0700 (MST) From: "Thomas Connolly" To: "'ARL'" , Subject: RE: FREE BSD Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:54:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c2d3aa$76f6c4e0$5608a8c0@ceesi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030213153706.00aa0c60@pop.telcoman.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The FreeBSD Handbook is always a good place to start. Good luck and congrats on the switch to FreeBSD! Thomas P. Connolly Senior Development Engineer Colorado Engineering Experiment Station Inc. Phone: (970) 897-2711 Fax: (970) 897-2710 Email: tconnolly@ceesi.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of ARL Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 2:40 PM To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FREE BSD Greetings, I'm involved with a project to establish several Retail ISP's using BSD software and systems. I'm looking for some excellent engineering books and manuals for staff education and training. Would you have any recommendations ? We are all excited about finally moving to open systems. Thanks, ARL To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 13 15:29:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFFEF37B401 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:29:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F01C43F85 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:29:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from terrydunlap@netzero.net) Received: from barney (pcp246633pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net [68.55.64.60]) by mtaout04.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.09 (built Jan 7 2003)) with SMTP id <0HA900L3FT8LOX@mtaout04.icomcast.net> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 18:29:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 18:30:19 -0500 From: Terry J Dunlap Jr Subject: Re: FREE BSD To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org, ARL Message-id: <001001c2d3b7$df1f94e0$0201a8c0@barney> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030213153706.00aa0c60@pop.telcoman.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I personally like and use "FreeBSD Unleashed" by Urban & Tiemann. However, I would not simply hand this book to someone brand new to FreeBSD; it could turn them off due to its size. I began my first exposure to FreeBSD by reading the manual and buying a copy of Annelise Anderson's "FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System For Your Personal Computer." As I began to expand and experiment, I turned to "Unleashed." As I began to build and integrate networks, I turned to "The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide" by Ted Mittelstaedt. His book is designed more towards using FreeBSD in a mixed environment, particullary with Windows servers. Good luck, and welcome to the world of FreeBSD! Terry Dunlap ----- Original Message ----- From: "ARL" To: Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 4:39 PM Subject: FREE BSD > Greetings, > > I'm involved with a project to establish several Retail ISP's using BSD > software and systems. I'm looking for some excellent engineering books > and manuals for staff education and training. Would you have any > recommendations ? > > We are all excited about finally moving to open systems. > > Thanks, > > ARL > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 13 16:32: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE9637B401 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:32:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from newtonsecond.com (adsl-63-207-117-158.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.207.117.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D5843FB1 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:32:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tristan11@mindspring.com) Received: from [12.43.53.1] (account michelle HELO localhost) by newtonsecond.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with ESMTP-TLS id 520182 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:31:59 -0800 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:31:58 -0800 Subject: Re: FREE BSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Michelle Weeks To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000601c2d3aa$76f6c4e0$5608a8c0@ceesi.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just started administering a FreeBSD machine about nine months ago without any previous unix experience. The FreeBSD Unleashed book has been my bible. On Thursday, February 13, 2003, at 01:54 PM, Thomas Connolly wrote: > The FreeBSD Handbook is always a good place to start. > > Good luck and congrats on the switch to FreeBSD! > > Thomas P. Connolly > Senior Development Engineer > Colorado Engineering Experiment Station Inc. > Phone: (970) 897-2711 > Fax: (970) 897-2710 > Email: tconnolly@ceesi.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of ARL > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 2:40 PM > To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: FREE BSD > > Greetings, > > I'm involved with a project to establish several Retail ISP's using BSD > software and systems. I'm looking for some excellent engineering books > and manuals for staff education and training. Would you have any > recommendations ? > > We are all excited about finally moving to open systems. > > Thanks, > > ARL > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 13 17:41:33 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D7937B401 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:41:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net (mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 92ADC43F85 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:41:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wolfryder@qwest.net) Received: (qmail 81668 invoked by uid 0); 14 Feb 2003 01:41:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (63.231.195.9) by mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net with QMQP; 14 Feb 2003 01:41:31 -0000 Received: from adsl189.omah.uswest.net (HELO wolf.qwest.net) (209.180.104.189) by mpls-pop-09.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2003 01:41:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 19:46:08 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030213193904.00abadd0@pop.omah.uswest.net> From: "WolfRyder" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org X-Sender: wolfryder@pop.omah.uswest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Subject: Re: FREE BSD In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030213153706.00aa0c60@pop.telcoman.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The one I settled on was "Absolute BSD: The Ultimate Guide to FreeBSD" by Michael Lucas. It's written in a manner I can understand and use, though I've also used "The FreeBSD Handbook". I didn't get "The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide" , but the reviews were outstanding on this and Absolute BSD. I've also found this list to be invaluable and I've gotten some good suggestions/encouragement from the IRC channel #freebsdhelp on OpenProjects. There are many really good "HowTo's" out there also. Carol At 03:39 PM 2/13/03 -0600, ARL wrote: >Greetings, > >I'm involved with a project to establish several Retail ISP's using BSD >software and systems. I'm looking for some excellent engineering books >and manuals for staff education and training. Would you have any >recommendations ? > >We are all excited about finally moving to open systems. > >Thanks, > >ARL > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 13 22:10:58 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D11337B405 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:10:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from nyogtha.unknownkadath.net (nyogtha.unknownkadath.net [209.153.153.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 053EA43FA3 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:10:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asenchi@asenchi.com) Received: from pale (12-245-211-155.client.attbi.com [12.245.211.155]) by nyogtha.unknownkadath.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h1E6PAfX029767; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 01:25:10 -0500 (EST) From: "Asenchi" To: "ARL" , Subject: RE: FREE BSD Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 01:10:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030213153706.00aa0c60@pop.telcoman.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I personally think that you just need to surf the web for your desired question. There are tons of resources...including the handbook. However, in print, 'FreeBSD Unleashed' is amazing. Also, the gentleman that wrote 'Absolute BSD' writes columns on http://www.onlamp.com this a great resource. Congrats on your exposure to BSD, it is addictive, watchout! :) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of ARL > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 4:40 PM > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: FREE BSD > > > Greetings, > > I'm involved with a project to establish several Retail > ISP's using BSD > software and systems. I'm looking for some excellent > engineering books > and manuals for staff education and training. Would you have any > recommendations ? > > We are all excited about finally moving to open systems. > > Thanks, > > ARL > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 14 13: 6:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD8B37B401 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:06:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6629B43F75 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:06:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from [212.227.126.206] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18jn2p-0002Kg-00; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 22:06:51 +0100 Received: from [80.133.97.242] (helo=moritz.alleswirdgruener) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18jn2o-0003FQ-00; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 22:06:51 +0100 Received: from moritz.alleswirdgruener (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgruener (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1EKmUfC001454; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 21:48:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost) by moritz.alleswirdgruener (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h1EKjAIh001434; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 21:45:10 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 21:45:10 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@localhost To: WolfRyder Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FREE BSD In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030213193904.00abadd0@pop.omah.uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I didn't get "The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide" , but the reviews The chapter on printing is in /usr/share/doc. H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 14 13:37: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5100637B405; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:37:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (sdf.lonestar.org [216.162.208.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54D543F3F; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:37:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from xyphob@sdf.lonestar.org) Received: (from xyphob@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.11.6+3.4W/8.11.6) id h1ELanB08793; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 21:36:49 GMT Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 21:36:49 GMT From: Dave Manor Message-Id: <200302142136.h1ELanB08793@sdf.lonestar.org> To: danl@freebsddiary.org, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-01-19 - 2003-02-08 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org r2 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 14 19:10:17 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF5437B401 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:10:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FD443FCB for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:10:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1F3ADNS046302 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:10:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1F3ADsI046300 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:10:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:10:13 -0800 (PST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200302150310.h1F3ADsI046300@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Feb 15 11:11:13 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DEE37B405; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:11:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (norge.freeshell.org [216.162.208.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D6643F3F; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:11:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from xyphob@sdf.lonestar.org) Received: (from xyphob@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.11.6+3.4W/8.11.6) id h1FJB3V22026; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 19:11:03 GMT Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 19:11:03 GMT From: Dave Manor Message-Id: <200302151911.h1FJB3V22026@sdf.lonestar.org> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, sue@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org q To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message