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Hey there,

I'm not *really* a newbie, although I figured that this'd be one of those
questions that would make me look like one! :)
I noticed that there's no KDE support mailing list, only a Gnome one, so I
didn't quite know where to send this to..

I recently installed FreeBSD 5.0-release, and did a CVS update of the ports.
I then compiled and installed QT3,  KDELIBS3 and KDEBASE3 (in that order).
I tried to use the meta-port to compile KDE 3.1 first off, but it just
went "Yup, compiled and installed" and that was it. (and it only took
about 25 seconds)

Now, I'm not sure if this is suppose to happen or not (I really hope not)
but the fonts in KDE now look so very, very ugly. I've played with the
anti-aliasing settings, and all the different fonts, and still no real
improvement.

Did I miss something? or do something in the wrong order?

Cheers,
Mark



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Hmm was this an upgrade of a previous install of KDE or a fresh install?
If it was an upgrade look into the port "portupgrade" but you may know this already. This is the only suggestion I can think of.

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:14:19 +1100 (EST)
"Mark Gladman" <mark@fantoma.net> wrote:

> Hey there,
> 
> I'm not *really* a newbie, although I figured that this'd be one of those
> questions that would make me look like one! :)
> I noticed that there's no KDE support mailing list, only a Gnome one, so I
> didn't quite know where to send this to..
> 
> I recently installed FreeBSD 5.0-release, and did a CVS update of the ports.
> I then compiled and installed QT3,  KDELIBS3 and KDEBASE3 (in that order).
> I tried to use the meta-port to compile KDE 3.1 first off, but it just
> went "Yup, compiled and installed" and that was it. (and it only took
> about 25 seconds)
> 
> Now, I'm not sure if this is suppose to happen or not (I really hope not)
> but the fonts in KDE now look so very, very ugly. I've played with the
> anti-aliasing settings, and all the different fonts, and still no real
> improvement.
> 
> Did I miss something? or do something in the wrong order?
> 
> Cheers,
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
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Dear Sirs


We are three students attending H=E6rens Ingeni=F8rh=F8gskole (the =
norwegian millitary engineering school).
We are currently working on an assignment about operating systems. We =
are writing about FreeBSD 4.4. We would like to know if you can help us =
find , or tell us where we can find information about these following =
subjects:

*	OS structure
*	Process-handling
*	CPU-handling
*	Memory-handling
*	Filesystem (implementation)
*	I/O structure
*	Security


We would be very greatfull if we could get this information as soon as =
possible, because this assignment is due 03.07.03 (Next Friday)


We hope you can help us



Yours sincerely

Corporal Aas, Eskild=20
Corporal Holth, Per-Christian
Corporal Johnsen, Anders =20

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On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 08:31:23AM +0100, Aas, Eskild wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear Sirs
> 
> 
> We are three students attending Hærens Ingeniørhøgskole (the
> norwegian millitary engineering school).
> 
> We are currently working on an assignment about operating systems. We
> are writing about FreeBSD 4.4. We would like to know if you can help
> us find , or tell us where we can find information about these
> following subjects:
> 
> *	OS structure
> *	Process-handling
> *	CPU-handling
> *	Memory-handling
> *	Filesystem (implementation)
> *	I/O structure
> *	Security


Start at http://www.freebsd.org and take the link to the documentation
page. Also do a search for keywords at the www.freebsd.org search page,
to find other documentation on the web site. There is a security
section on the web site as well.

You will find some good documents under the two directories at
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/
If you have a FreeBSD installation, you will find them
under /usr/share/doc too. One of them, the FreeBSD Handbook,
contains lists of other information sources such as books
and online articles. There are some very interesting recent
and historical technical articles in those directories.

Your question is not for support but for orientation, so it's
perfect for the freebsd-newbies mailing list. But it's OK to
try the support mailing list too, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org,
in case one of the many volunteer experts there knows about more
documentation than the newbies know.

Be careful, though. Before asking freebsd-questions, it is
important to do your research on the web site so that you can let
them know what you found already and what you still need. That will
make those busy volunteers much more keen to help you.

Good luck with your assignment, guys!

-- 

Regards,
        -*Sue*-

 
 

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Please, I would like to translate the code of FreeBsd to Portuguese of
Brasil . We are already working with Linux here, but we feel necessary
to change do FreeBsd, but our clients want it in their native language.
What can I do for it ? Can I develope a distribution of FreeBsd here in
Brasil ?




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Hi Eliezer, looking for the same I met the people from Sama 
(http://www.samabsd.com.br) here in Florianopolis who already translated the 
FreeBSD. I hope it helps you.
Isaias Masiero Filho

Citando Eliézer dos Santos Magalhães <cyber@snike.com.br>:

> Please, I would like to translate the code of FreeBsd to Portuguese of
> Brasil . We are already working with Linux here, but we feel necessary
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> What can I do for it ? Can I develope a distribution of FreeBsd here in
> Brasil ?
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On Tuesday 25 February 2003 09:14 pm, Mark Gladman wrote:
> Hey there,
>
> I'm not *really* a newbie, although I figured that this'd be one of
> those questions that would make me look like one! :)
> I noticed that there's no KDE support mailing list, only a Gnome one,
> so I didn't quite know where to send this to..

There is a FreeBSD KDE site at <http://freebsd.kde.org/>, with a pointer 
to a QA list at <http://lists.csociety.org/listinfo/kde-freebsd>. This 
list is meant for testing, fixing, and problem solving, and is not a 
general purpose support list. There is also the traditional KDE list 
for non-Linux users at 
<http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-nonlinux>.

> I recently installed FreeBSD 5.0-release, and did a CVS update of the
> ports. I then compiled and installed QT3,  KDELIBS3 and KDEBASE3 (in
> that order). I tried to use the meta-port to compile KDE 3.1 first
> off, but it just went "Yup, compiled and installed" and that was it.
> (and it only took about 25 seconds)

The meta-port is an "install only" port. If you do a make it will do 
nothing. However, on a make install it will pull in all the 
dependencies and build them. This is because everything but libs and 
base are runtime dependencies, which only get pulled in at install.

> Now, I'm not sure if this is suppose to happen or not (I really hope
> not) but the fonts in KDE now look so very, very ugly. I've played
> with the anti-aliasing settings, and all the different fonts, and
> still no real improvement.

Make sure you have good fonts installed (webfonts, bitstream-vera), list 
them in your XF86Config, edit your XftConfig appropriately, then turn 
on anti-aliasing in the KDE control center. This is no trivial matter, 
but you can get some pointers in the Handbook, and a good font 
deuglification guide at <http://feenix.burgiss.net/ldp/fdu/>.

The trick, to me at least, is a good XftConfig file and choosing good 
fonts. There is little to no documentation on XftConfig, unfortunately. 
I grabbed my own XftConfig from Slackware at 
<ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware_source/x/xfree86/XftConfig/>. 
This was taken from Keith Packard's (the Xfree86 antialiasing guy) 
original XftConfig, which has now disappeared. You'll want to add any 
additional Type1 and truetype fonts in the directory list at the top.

Whew! That should be enough pointers to documents to last you a while! 
Someone really needs to write a font deuglification document 
specifically for FreeBSD, but I don't have the time to do it.

p.s. There have been very recent changes in ports related to Xft and 
fontconfig. If your timing for port updating was off, you might have 
picked up some broken stuff. 

David

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Hey newbies

Why do people not like topposting in replies?  It seems that (from my experience) that the business world in general _always_ topposts replies.


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On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Joshua Lokken wrote:

> Hey newbies
>
> Why do people not like topposting in replies?  It seems that (from my
> experience) that the business world in general _always_ topposts
> replies.

A) 30 years of tradition.
B) This isn't the business world.

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A CEO, vice president, director, or anyone else who thinks PowerPoint is 
the pinnacle of technology, would be posting their reply in this area. 
This is probably because their mail client has topposting on by 
default.

On Wednesday 26 February 2003 11:42 am, Doug Barton wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Joshua Lokken wrote:
> > Hey newbies
> >
> > Why do people not like topposting in replies?  It seems that (from
> > my experience) that the business world in general _always_ topposts
> > replies.
>
> A) 30 years of tradition.
> B) This isn't the business world.

But anyone else, within or without the business world, would be posting 
their repy here. Bottom posting makes sense because it puts the reply 
into context. People like to read from top to bottom. They don't like 
to read from bottom to top just to figure out what the heck the reply 
is talking about. For a 4 or 5 line post it doesn't matter too much. 
But for a 4 or 5 PAGE post, it makes a big difference.

David

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On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:34:32  
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>A CEO, vice president, director, or anyone else who thinks PowerPoint is 
>the pinnacle of technology, would be posting their reply in this area. 
>This is probably because their mail client has topposting on by 
>default.
>
>On Wednesday 26 February 2003 11:42 am, Doug Barton wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Joshua Lokken wrote:
>> > Hey newbies
>> >
>> > Why do people not like topposting in replies?  It seems that (from
>> > my experience) that the business world in general _always_ topposts
>> > replies.
>>
>> A) 30 years of tradition.
>> B) This isn't the business world.
>
>But anyone else, within or without the business world, would be posting 
>their repy here. Bottom posting makes sense because it puts the reply 
>into context. People like to read from top to bottom. They don't like 
>to read from bottom to top just to figure out what the heck the reply 
>is talking about. For a 4 or 5 line post it doesn't matter too much. 
>But for a 4 or 5 PAGE post, it makes a big difference.
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That makes sense, thanks.

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On Wednesday, 26 February 2003 at 11:38:51 -0800, Joshua Lokken wrote:
> Hey newbies
>
> Why do people not like topposting in replies?  It seems that (from
> my experience) that the business world in general _always_ topposts
> replies.

It's rather like putting the cart before the horse.  I can distinguish
about four different styles:

1.  The oldest was where you had no quotation of the original message
    at all.  It's the closest to paper mail, where you never cut up
    the original and paste it into the reply.  It has the obvious
    disadvantage that, to be intelligible, you have to make references
    to the original.

2.  The next was where the entire original message was attached,
    frequently uneditable.  This is the origin of top posting.  See
    http://www.daemonnews.org/199902/d-advocate.html for an example.

3.  Bottom posting is, as the name suggests, the opposite of top
    posting.  It has little advantages, though it does give you a
    chance to know what the reply is about.

4.  The most obvious way to do things is to interleave individual
    parts of the message.  Thus you can have a blow-by-blow reply to
    individual points.  You don't forget anything, and people know
    what you're talking about in every case.  You can see an example
    of this further down in the same web page.

So why don't people use 4 all the time?  For many, it's too much
trouble.  Maybe they can't type very well (not really much of a
reason; it's not much more work).  More likely, the tools at their
disposition aren't up to the job.  This is particularly true for
Microsoft-based systems, where I haven't been able to find any MUA
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I top-post when what I have to say is short and to the point. If I want to 
comment on several different parts, I will interweave. The thing I really 
really hate is to have to wade through several paragraphs, trying to read 
what someone responds, and I give up. If I'm interested enough to be 
following a thread, I'll have read the whole original post to begin with.

Saves me time...the purists may disagree with me and that's okay. If we all 
did things and like things the same way it would be a very boring world indeed.

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>On Wednesday, 26 February 2003 at 11:38:51 -0800, Joshua Lokken wrote:
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> >
> > Why do people not like topposting in replies?  It seems that (from
> > my experience) that the business world in general _always_ topposts
> > replies.
>
>It's rather like putting the cart before the horse.  I can distinguish
>about four different styles:
>
>1.  The oldest was where you had no quotation of the original message
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>     the original and paste it into the reply.  It has the obvious
>     disadvantage that, to be intelligible, you have to make references
>     to the original.
>
>2.  The next was where the entire original message was attached,
>     frequently uneditable.  This is the origin of top posting.  See
>     http://www.daemonnews.org/199902/d-advocate.html for an example.
>
>3.  Bottom posting is, as the name suggests, the opposite of top
>     posting.  It has little advantages, though it does give you a
>     chance to know what the reply is about.
>
>4.  The most obvious way to do things is to interleave individual
>     parts of the message.  Thus you can have a blow-by-blow reply to
>     individual points.  You don't forget anything, and people know
>     what you're talking about in every case.  You can see an example
>     of this further down in the same web page.
>
>So why don't people use 4 all the time?  For many, it's too much
>trouble.  Maybe they can't type very well (not really much of a
>reason; it's not much more work).  More likely, the tools at their
>disposition aren't up to the job.  This is particularly true for
>Microsoft-based systems, where I haven't been able to find any MUA
>which allows you to write messages with a real editor.
>
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On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:56:10  
 WolfRyder wrote:
>I top-post when what I have to say is short and to the point. If I want to 
>comment on several different parts, I will interweave. The thing I really 
>really hate is to have to wade through several paragraphs, trying to read 
>what someone responds, and I give up. If I'm interested enough to be 
>following a thread, I'll have read the whole original post to begin with.
>
>Saves me time...the purists may disagree with me and that's okay. If we all 
>did things and like things the same way it would be a very boring world indeed.
>
>WolfRyder
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>>On Wednesday, 26 February 2003 at 11:38:51 -0800, Joshua Lokken wrote:
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>> >
>> > Why do people not like topposting in replies?  It seems that (from
>> > my experience) that the business world in general _always_ topposts
>> > replies.
>>
>>It's rather like putting the cart before the horse.  I can distinguish
>>about four different styles:

>>
>>4.  The most obvious way to do things is to interleave individual
>>     parts of the message.  Thus you can have a blow-by-blow reply to
>>     individual points.  You don't forget anything, and people know
>>     what you're talking about in every case.  You can see an example
>>     of this further down in the same web page.
>>
>>So why don't people use 4 all the time?  For many, it's too much
>>trouble.  Maybe they can't type very well (not really much of a
>>reason; it's not much more work).  More likely, the tools at their
>>disposition aren't up to the job.  This is particularly true for
>>Microsoft-based systems, where I haven't been able to find any MUA
>>which allows you to write messages with a real editor.
>>
>>Greg
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Yeah, that's what I has in mind when I asked the question, I guess.  Windows is the tool of choice at work, and while I have been mucking about with Cygwin, I haven't found an MUA that works very well, either.  Actually, a couple of months back I was using Opera, which has a decent mail interface.  I was told that since Opera changed the titles of attachments when it sent them, I _had_ to use Outlook Express!  I finally convinced the boss to allow me to use Outlook proper, but you see what I'm saying.... ;)  Thanks for the replies!

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On Wednesday, 26 February 2003 at 16:56:10 -0600, WolfRyder wrote:
> At 09:10 AM 2/27/03 +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>> 2.  The next was where the entire original message was attached,
>>    frequently uneditable.  This is the origin of top posting.  See
>>    http://www.daemonnews.org/199902/d-advocate.html for an example.
>
> I top-post when what I have to say is short and to the point.

In that case you should trim away stuff which is irrelevant, such as
most of my mail message in this case.

>> 4.  The most obvious way to do things is to interleave individual
>>    parts of the message.  Thus you can have a blow-by-blow reply to
>>    individual points.  You don't forget anything, and people know
>>    what you're talking about in every case.  You can see an example
>>    of this further down in the same web page.
>
> The thing I really really hate is to have to wade through several
> paragraphs, trying to read what someone responds, and I give up.

The thing I really hate is to have a lot of irrelevant text in a
message, wherever it is.  If you've got irrelevant text in the middle
of a message, that's wrong.  If you've got irrelevant text at the end
of a message, that's wrong too.

> If I'm interested enough to be following a thread, I'll have read
> the whole original post to begin with.

And remember every detail?  Sorry, I'm not that good.  And I can't
trust the person at the other end to know what I'm thinking.

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            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
            align=center><STRONG><SPAN 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Òèðàæ</SPAN></STRONG></P></TD>
          <TD 
          style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: gray 3pt double; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
          vAlign=top width=250>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
            align=center><STRONG><SPAN 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Ñòîèìîñòü 
            òèðàæà ($)</SPAN></STRONG></P></TD></TR>
        <TR>
          <TD 
          style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
          vAlign=top width=250>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
            align=center><SPAN 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">50</SPAN></P></TD>
          <TD 
          style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
          vAlign=top width=250>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
            align=center><SPAN 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">7,5</SPAN></P></TD></TR>
        <TR>
          <TD 
          style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
          vAlign=top width=250>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
            align=center><SPAN 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">100</SPAN></P></TD>
          <TD 
          style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
          vAlign=top width=250>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
            align=center><SPAN 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">9</SPAN></P></TD></TR>
        <TR>
          <TD 
          style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
          vAlign=top width=250>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
            align=center><SPAN 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">200</SPAN></P></TD>
          <TD 
          style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
          vAlign=top width=250>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
            align=center><SPAN lang=EN-US 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">19</SPAN><SPAN 
            lang=EN-US 
        style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD></TR>
        <TR>
          <TD 
          style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
          vAlign=top width=250>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
            align=center><SPAN 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">500</SPAN></P></TD>
          <TD 
          style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
          vAlign=top width=250>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
            align=center><SPAN lang=EN-US 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">40</SPAN><SPAN 
            lang=EN-US 
        style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD></TR>
        <TR>
          <TD 
          style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
          vAlign=top width=250>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
            align=center><SPAN 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">1000</SPAN></P></TD>
          <TD 
          style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
          vAlign=top width=250>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
            align=center><SPAN lang=EN-US 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">75</SPAN><SPAN 
            lang=EN-US 
        style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></P>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN 
      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">* 
      áóìàãà ïëîòíîñòüþ äî 300 ã/ì<SUP>2</SUP><BR><BR><B 
      style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Âèçèòíûå êàðòî÷êè (öèôðîâàÿ 
      ÷åðíî-áåëàÿ ïå÷àòü):</B><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></P>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">
      <TABLE 
      style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm; mso-table-layout-alt: fixed; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
      cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=1>
        <TBODY>
        <TR>
          <TD 
          style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: gray 3pt double; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
          vAlign=top width=250>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
            align=center><STRONG><SPAN 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Òèðàæ</SPAN></STRONG></P></TD>
          <TD 
          style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: gray 3pt double; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
          vAlign=top width=250>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
            align=center><STRONG><SPAN 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Ñòîèìîñòü 
            òèðàæà ($)</SPAN></STRONG></P></TD></TR>
        <TR>
          <TD 
          style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
          vAlign=top width=250>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
            align=center><SPAN 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">50</SPAN></P></TD>
          <TD 
          style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
          vAlign=top width=250>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
            align=center><SPAN lang=EN-US 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">5</SPAN><SPAN 
            lang=EN-US 
        style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD></TR>
        <TR>
          <TD 
          style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
          vAlign=top width=250>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
            align=center><SPAN 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">100</SPAN></P></TD>
          <TD 
          style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
          vAlign=top width=250>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
            align=center><SPAN lang=EN-US 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">7</SPAN><SPAN 
            lang=EN-US 
        style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD></TR>
        <TR>
          <TD 
          style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
          vAlign=top width=250>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
            align=center><SPAN 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">200</SPAN></P></TD>
          <TD 
          style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
          vAlign=top width=250>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
            align=center><SPAN lang=EN-US 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">15</SPAN><SPAN 
            lang=EN-US 
        style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD></TR>
        <TR>
          <TD 
          style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
          vAlign=top width=250>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
            align=center><SPAN 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">500</SPAN></P></TD>
          <TD 
          style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
          vAlign=top width=250>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
            align=center><SPAN lang=EN-US 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">25</SPAN><SPAN 
            lang=EN-US 
        style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD></TR>
        <TR>
          <TD 
          style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
          vAlign=top width=250>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
            align=center><SPAN 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">1000</SPAN></P></TD>
          <TD 
          style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
          vAlign=top width=250>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
            align=center><SPAN lang=EN-US 
            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">40</SPAN><SPAN 
            lang=EN-US 
        style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></P>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN 
      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><SPAN 
      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">* 
      áóìàãà ïëîòíîñòüþ äî 300 
    ã/ì<SUP>2</SUP></SPAN><BR></SPAN></P></FONT></o:p></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN 
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT 
color=#008000>Ïëàêàòû À3:</FONT></SPAN></B><SPAN 
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></P>
<TABLE 
style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm; mso-table-layout-alt: fixed; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=1>
  <TBODY>
  <TR>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: gray 3pt double; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center><STRONG><SPAN 
      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Òèðàæ</SPAN></STRONG></P></TD>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: gray 3pt double; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center><STRONG><SPAN 
      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Ñòîèìîñòü 
      òèðàæà ($)</SPAN></STRONG></P></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center><SPAN 
      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">1</SPAN></P></TD>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center>5</P></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center><SPAN 
      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">5</SPAN></P></TD>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center>20</P></TD></TR>
  <TR style="HEIGHT: 11.65pt">
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; HEIGHT: 11.65pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center>10</P></TD>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; HEIGHT: 11.65pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center>35</P></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center><SPAN 
      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">50</SPAN></P></TD>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center>150</P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN 
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><BR><FONT 
color=#ff0000><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Äâóñòîðîííèå 
êàëåíäàðè:</B><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></P>
<TABLE 
style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm; mso-table-layout-alt: fixed; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=1>
  <TBODY>
  <TR>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: gray 3pt double; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center><STRONG><SPAN 
      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Òèðàæ</SPAN></STRONG></P></TD>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: gray 3pt double; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center><STRONG><SPAN 
      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Ñòîèìîñòü 
      òèðàæà ($)</SPAN></STRONG></P></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center><SPAN 
      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">50</SPAN></P></TD>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center>20</P></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center><SPAN 
      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">100</SPAN></P></TD>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center>35</P></TD></TR>
  <TR style="HEIGHT: 11.65pt">
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; HEIGHT: 11.65pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center>300</P></TD>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; HEIGHT: 11.65pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center>80</P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN 
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><B 
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN 
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Öèôðîâàÿ 
ïå÷àòü ëþáûõ ôàéëîâ:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><B 
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN 
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN 
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Ïî 
äîãîâîðåííîñòè<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN 
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN 
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><STRONG>Èçãîòîâëåíèå 
óïàêîâêè ëþáûõ ôîðìàòîâ :<BR></STRONG><BR>Ïî 
äîãîâîðåííîñòè&nbsp;<BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN 
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">&nbsp;</SPAN><B 
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN 
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></B><B 
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN 
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><B 
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN 
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Äèñêîíòíûå 
êàðòû:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><B 
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN 
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<TABLE 
style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm; mso-table-layout-alt: fixed; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=1>
  <TBODY>
  <TR>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: gray 3pt double; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center><STRONG><SPAN 
      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Òèðàæ</SPAN></STRONG></P></TD>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: gray 3pt double; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center><STRONG><SPAN 
      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Ñòîèìîñòü 
      òèðàæà ($)</SPAN></STRONG></P></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center><SPAN 
      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">50</SPAN></P></TD>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center><SPAN lang=EN-US 
      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">30</SPAN><SPAN 
      lang=EN-US style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center><SPAN 
      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">100</SPAN></P></TD>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center><SPAN lang=EN-US 
      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">38</SPAN><SPAN 
      lang=EN-US style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center><SPAN 
      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">200</SPAN></P></TD>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center><SPAN lang=EN-US 
      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">50,7</SPAN><SPAN 
      lang=EN-US style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center><SPAN 
      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">500</SPAN></P></TD>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-left-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center><SPAN lang=EN-US 
      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">110</SPAN><SPAN 
      lang=EN-US style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD 
    style="BORDER-RIGHT: gray 3pt double; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT: gray 3pt double; WIDTH: 187.5pt; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: gray 3pt double; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-border-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt; mso-border-top-alt: thick-thin-large-gap gray 3.0pt" 
    vAlign=top width=250>
      <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" 
      align=center><SPAN 
      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">1000</SPAN></P></TD>
    <TD 
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Doug Barton wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Joshua Lokken wrote:
> 
> 
>>Hey newbies
>>
>>Why do people not like topposting in replies?  It seems that (from my
>>experience) that the business world in general _always_ topposts
>>replies.

Midposting is contextually relevant. BOTH top and bottom posting are not.
> 
> 
> A) 30 years of tradition.
Que Zero Mostel and his fiddle...

> B) This isn't the business world.
According to my banner advertising revenue report, this is very true, I 
am sorry to say...

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Hello everyone..
Anyone knows why those two dirs (/dist and /modules.old ) exist?

is it safe enough to rm 'em both?

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>
> >> I top-post when what I have to say is short and to the point.
>
> >In that case you should trim away stuff which is irrelevant, such as
> >most of my mail message in this case.
>
>
> >>The thing I really hate is to have a lot of irrelevant text in a
> >>message, wherever it is.  If you've got irrelevant text in the middle
> >>of a message, that's wrong.  If you've got irrelevant text at the end
> >>of a message, that's wrong too.

The above part I had to add the >> myself. I use Eudora, not Outlook.


> >> If I'm interested enough to be following a thread, I'll have read
> >> the whole original post to begin with.
>
> >And remember every detail?  Sorry, I'm not that good.  And I can't
> >trust the person at the other end to know what I'm thinking.
>
For reference I keep the original post. What's one email as opposed to a 
bazillion?


> >> Saves me time...
>
> >And wastes other people's time?
>
> >Note that this message, which includes quotes (reinserted in the
> >correct place) is about half the length of your time-saving version.
>
> >Greg

And it took me longer to "seek" your responses than it took to read the 
original post. I understand that people will not agree on this issue "do we 
respond 'before' or 'after' a section that is >'d?" "Do I use ** 
or >?"  "Do I start with a 'new' message and copy/paste what I want into it?"

The possibilities are mind boggling. I'm not trying to incite a flame war 
or anything else. Just stating my opinion.  I've seen some web versions 
of  'netiquette' and perhaps an authoritative one can be written. But just 
like anything else in writing, people will find things that "agree with 
their point of view".

These are my opinions, no flame or offence intended,
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On 26-Feb-2003 Doug Barton wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Joshua Lokken wrote:
> 
>> Hey newbies
>>
>> Why do people not like topposting in replies?  It seems that (from my
>> experience) that the business world in general _always_ topposts
>> replies.
> 
> A) 30 years of tradition.
> B) This isn't the business world.
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There's always the simpler reason, many mua's autoinsert your sig at the
bottom.  :)



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Someone, quite probably WolfRyder, once wrote:
>> >> If I'm interested enough to be following a thread, I'll have read
>> >> the whole original post to begin with.
>>
>> >And remember every detail?  Sorry, I'm not that good.  And I can't
>> >trust the person at the other end to know what I'm thinking.
>>
>For reference I keep the original post. What's one email as opposed to a 
>bazillion?

Unfortunately when dealing with high volumes that's not always
practical.  I still have a lot of mail kept around for reference and
sometimes sorting through it can be a huge pain.  Also given that this
is a mailing list there can be problems with propagation, see my quote
below.

>Just stating my opinion.  I've seen some web versions 
>of  'netiquette' and perhaps an authoritative one can be written. But just 
>like anything else in writing, people will find things that "agree with 
>their point of view".

Back in October 1995 RFC1855, AKA FYI28, appeared.  RFCs are pretty
authoritative and about the closest thing the Internet has to
regulations.

In terms of top/bottom posting I couldn't find an explicit comment, but
with a quick scan but I did find this one:

    - If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you
      summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just
      enough text of the original to give a context.  This will make
      sure readers understand when they start to read your response.
      Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the
      postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a
      response to a message before seeing the original.  Giving context
      helps everyone.  But do not include the entire original!

Given that traditionally people interwove their replies it's pretty easy
to see the point though.  It also mentions the propagation issue I
mentioned above.  Maybe it's just that my interpretation fits in with my
view of the world.  If you want to read the full document then a copy
can be found at <http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/fyi/fyi28.html>

It's true that most managers etc. don't read RFCs and they've started
doing things their way, but even if you top post everywhere else it's
probably fair to say that a group full of people who've been online
longer than most people have been using computers will be a little more
traditional.  You don't have to post like everyone else but you'll fit
in a lot more if you do.

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"Joshua Lokken" <bsdaemon@eudoramail.com> wrote:

>I _had_ to use Outlook Express!

The default configuration of which has done much to trash the
readability of usenet/mailing list archives.  What you see is
not what you send.

Poor (or no) word wrapping is as annoying as top posting.
Read your one liner at http://makeashorterlink.com/?F35D26E93
(links to your post in the google archive.)

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Hello!

Sorry to bother, but I'm a newbie in the FreeBSD world ;-) ... Would you
please help?

I think this is a FAQ:
For the new 5.0 release, I've noticed that only 3 ISO images are available
on the official FTP site. Are there any other (i.e. the disc3, disc4 images,
etc.) ? I know they contain the optional applications and all kind of
goodies ... ;-)  Or do they appear later?

I would like to download them all, if available, to form the most complete
possible CD set ...

Thanks a lot,
Razvan
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On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Thanos Tsouanas wrote:

> Hello everyone..
> Anyone knows why those two dirs (/dist and /modules.old ) exist?

Please ask this question on freebsd-questions.

Good luck,

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Hi,

>Razvan, rsandu@softhome.net wrote:
>Sorry to bother, but I'm a newbie in the FreeBSD world ;-) ... Would you
>please help?
>
From one newbie to another, welcome to FreeBSD. Hate to sound like I'm 
kissing arse, but this is a 'really' cool OS.

>I think this is a FAQ:
>For the new 5.0 release, I've noticed that only 3 ISO images are available
>on the official FTP site. Are there any other (i.e. the disc3, disc4 
>images,
>etc.) ? I know they contain the optional applications and all kind of
>goodies ... ;-)  Or do they appear later?
>
>I would like to download them all, if available, to form the most complete
>possible CD set ...
>
With networks the way they are nowadays, I generally don't bother getting 
all the iso's. Usually, I just grab the install disk and pull the packages 
needed either from ftp (done automatically when you make the port) or 
gnutella as I need them. (As far as ports go, I try to stay more current 
than when the Release came out, anyways.)

But I can also understand if you just want them all, just in case. The best 
information I can give you is from the 4.2 release I bought, which had four 
disks. disks 1 and 2 are the install and recovery disks; disks 3 and 4 are 
"extra packages," as I'd assume disk 3 is for 5.0.

Maybe there is a side project which tracks and makes iso sets like this. I 
don't know of one, but maybe someone on this list does. I think the 'entire' 
collection may have grown too large for this to really be practical.

>Thanks a lot,
>Razvan
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					<td width=657 valign=top><font size=2 color=#686767>Áåéñáîë, áàñêåòáîë, áîêñ, ôóòáîë (àìåðèêàíñêèé), ñêà÷êè, ïàðóñíûé ñïîðò, ïëàâàíèå, òåííèñ è ëåãêàÿ àòëåòèêà. Ñïîðò äàë ðîæäåíèå áîëüøëìó êîëè÷åñòâó ÿçûêîâûõ âûðàæåíèé íå òîëüêî â îáëàñòè ñàìîãî ñïîðòà, íî è â ïîâñåäíåâíîì ðàçãîâîðå ëþäåé, êîòîðûå íå èìåþò ê ñïîðòó íèêàêîãî îòíîøåíèÿ.</font></td>
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	<tr><td><font size=2 color=#C20E05><b>ØÈÐÎÊÎ ÐÀÑÏÐÎÑÒÐÀÍÅÍÍÛÅ ÀÁÁÐÅÂÈÀÒÓÐÛ, ÎÒÍÎÑßÙÈÅÑß Ê ÔÈÍÀÍÑÀÌ:</b></font></td></tr>
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					<td width=657 valign=top><font size=2 color=#686767>Íàèáîëåå ðàñïðîñòðàííåííûõ èíèöèàë è àááðåâèàòóð, èçâåñòíûõ ïðàêòè÷åñêè âñåì, êòî èìååò äåëî ñ äåíüãàìè è ôèíàíñàìè.</font></td>
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	<tr><td><font size=2 color=#509A75><b>ÐÅÊËÀÌÍÀß ËÅÊÑÈÊÀ È ßÇÛÊ:</b></font></td></tr>
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					<td width=657 valign=top><font size=2 color=#686767>Ïîñêîëüêó ðåêëàìà ñòàíîâèòñÿ âñå áîëåå òâîð÷åñêîé, óìíîé è íåïîâòîðèìîé, ìîæíî ïðåäïîëîæèòü, ÷òî è ëåêñèêà â ýòîé îáëàñòè ÿâëÿåòñÿ äîâîëüíî âûðàçèòåëüíîé. Ïðèâîäÿòñÿ íàèáîëåå ðàñïðîñòðàíåííûå òåðìèíû èçâåñòíûå âñåì, êòî áûâàåò íà Ìýäèñîí Àâåíþ.</font></td>
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					<td width=657 valign=top><font size=2 color=#686767>Ïî÷òè ÷òî âñå òåðìèíû, êîòîðûå âàì ïîíàäîáÿòñÿ, äëÿ âñòóïëåíèÿ â ìèð ìàðêåòèíãà. Êóäà áû ìû íå ïîøëè, ìû ïîâñþäó îêðóæåíû ðàçëè÷íûìè ôîðìàìè ìàðêåòèíãà, îò ëèñòîâîê äî ïëàêàòîâ íà óëèöàõ, îò áëàãîäàðñòâåííûõ ïèñåì äî çâîíêèõ ñòèøêîâ, îò ðàçãîâîðíûõ ôðàç äî òåêñòîâ, âûïèñûâàåìûõ â íåáå ñàìîëåòàìè. Èìåííî ïîòîìó, ÷òî êàæäûé ïðèåì â ìàðêåòèíãå èìååò ñâîå îáîçíà÷åíèå, äëÿ íåïîñâÿùåííîãî â ýòî ìíîãîå êàæåòñÿ ïî÷òè íå èìåþùèì ñìûñëà è èçëèøíèì. Ìíîãèå èç òåðìèíîâ îáðàçîâàíû îò ÿðêèõ õóäîæåñòâåííûõ îáðàçîâ. ×òî, íàïðèìåð, ìîæåò îçíà÷àòü òàêîå âûðàæåíèå, êàê "êîðîâà ñ êîëîêîëü÷èêîì", "îòçâóê âûñòðåëà" èëè "áîêîâèê"?</font></td>
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					<td width=657 valign=top><font size=2 color=#686767>Òåðìèíû ÿâëÿþòñÿ çíàêîìûìè íå òîëüêî ëþáîìó àìåðèêàíñêîìó áèçíåñìåíó-ïóòåøåñòâåííèêó, íî è êàæäîìó. êòî åäåò â îòïóñê, ïëàíèðóåò ïóòåøåñòâèå èëè ïðîñòî ïðîâîæàåò êîãî-íèáóäü â àýðîïîðòó.</font></td>
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	<tr><td><font size=2 color=#9F8F0A><b>ËÅÊÑÈÊÀ, ÎÒÍÎÑßÙÀßÑß Ê ÏÅÐÅÃÎÂÎÐÀÌ:</b></font></td></tr>
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					<td width=657 valign=top><font size=2 color=#686767>Íå ñëåäóåò, âåðîÿòíî, îñîáåííî ïîä÷åðêèâàòü òîò ôàêò, ÷òî âñÿêèé, äëÿ êîòîðîãî íåçíàêîì ÿçûê ïåðåãîâîðîâ, âñåãäà îêàçûâàåòñÿ â íåîáû÷íîì, çà÷àñòóþ âåñüìà òÿæåëîì ïîëîæåíèè. Áåç ïîíèìàíèÿ îñîáîãî ÿçûêà ïåðåãîâîðîâ âàæíûå äèñêóññèè è ñîãëàøåíèÿ ìîãóò ïîíÿòû ïðåâðàòíî.</font></td>
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					<td width=657 valign=top><font size=2 color=#686767>Ñóùåñòâóåò ðÿä òåðìèíîâ è èäèîì, êîòîðûå îáû÷íî èñïîëüçóþòñÿ íà ìèòèíãàõ è âñòðå÷àõ.</font></td>
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					<td width=657 valign=top><font size=2 color=#686767>Êàæäûé, êòî êîãäà-íèáóäü ïðèíèìàë ðåøåíèå î ïîêóïêå ïåðñîíàëüíîãî êîìïüþòåðà, íåïðåðûâíî ïîïàäàë â ñðåäó ðåêëàìíûõ îáúÿâëåíèé, êîìïüþòåðíûõ ôàíàòîâ, òîðãîâöåâ è äðóãèõ ëè÷íîñòåé, êîòîðûå ãîâîðèëè íà ìàëîïîíÿòíîì òåõíè÷åñêîì ÿçûêå, êàæóùèìñÿ êàêèì-òî äðóãèì ÿçûêîì. Íà ñàìîì æå äåëå, ýòî òàéíûé ÿçûê, ëèíãî, ÿâëÿåòñÿ ïðîäóêòîì òåõ, êòî ïðîèçâîäèò êîìïüþòåðíóþ òåõíèêó è êòî ïîëàãàåò, ÷òî ÷åì áîëåå ñëîæíà êîìïüþòåðíàÿ òåðìèíîëîãèÿ, òåì æåëàííåå áóäåò âûãëÿäåòü èõ ïðîäóêöèÿ â ãëàçàõ ïîêóïàòåëÿ.</font></td>
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	<tr><td><font size=2 color=#817E8C><b>ÈÍÒÅÍÑÈÂÍÛÉ 2 ÌÅÑß×ÍÛÉ TOEFL ÊÓÐÑ:</b></font></td></tr>
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					<td width=657 valign=top><font size=2 color=#686767>Ìû ïîìîãàåì ñòóäåíòàì ýôôåêòèâíî ñäàòü ýêçàìåí TOEFL, ïðîéòè ñîáåñåäîâàíèå â èíîñòðàííîé êîìïàíèè èëè äëÿ ýìèãðàöèè â ÑØÀ, Êàíàäó, Àâñòðàëèþ.</font></td>
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At 01:57 PM 2/27/03 +0000, Kevin Golding wrote:
> >For reference I keep the original post. What's one email as opposed to a
> >bazillion?
>
>Unfortunately when dealing with high volumes that's not always
>practical.  I still have a lot of mail kept around for reference and
>sometimes sorting through it can be a huge pain.  Also given that this
>is a mailing list there can be problems with propagation, see my quote
>below.

Yes, sorting email is a pain. Sometimes the volume gets so overwhelming my 
delete key goes crazy. If it's something I'll make reference to later, 
though, I'll dump it into it's own directory. Yeah, that's the librarian in 
me...sort and put have a whole different meaning to me in some contexts ;-)

>Back in October 1995 RFC1855, AKA FYI28, appeared.  RFCs are pretty
>authoritative and about the closest thing the Internet has to
>regulations.

I came on-line about that time, not in the news threads but on IRC, then 
email. I missed that whole "threaded" thing and the above mentioned 
document wasn't required reading in my graduate program (though looking at 
it, it should have been.)

>In terms of top/bottom posting I couldn't find an explicit comment, but
>with a quick scan but I did find this one:
>------snip
>
>Given that traditionally people interwove their replies it's pretty easy
>to see the point though.  It also mentions the propagation issue I
>mentioned above.  Maybe it's just that my interpretation fits in with my
>view of the world.  If you want to read the full document then a copy
>can be found at <http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/fyi/fyi28.html>

This doc is _Very_ good! Thank you for the link!

>It's true that most managers etc. don't read RFCs and they've started
>doing things their way,

It's not only managers. Anyone with an email address may think they know 
best how to form emails. I have a coworker who continually sends emails 
with all caps in the subject line. After 6+months of telling her she's 
shouting at me, I gave up and told her from now on I will delete any email 
from her where she shouts (and I have).

>  but even if you top post everywhere else it's
>probably fair to say that a group full of people who've been online
>longer than most people have been using computers will be a little more
>traditional.  You don't have to post like everyone else but you'll fit
>in a lot more if you do.

I don't really care about "fitting in", only about being understood. Thanks 
Kevin. I'll take to heart what we've discussed and do my best to not 
respond to any email unless I have sufficient time to edit the text :-)

>Kevin
>--
>kevin@caomhin.demon.co.uk

Carol
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Hi *,

	I am trying to install 4.7/5.0 to system with IDE RAID. Both IDE disks are 
on IDE "Raid" controller using Silicon 0680 chip, in controller bios I 
created setup so that both disks shall be in one mirror set. Starting 
install, sysinstall see only two different IDE devices (ad4/ad5), so far 
that is bit suspicious, but anyway fine with me, installation goes on to 
ad4. After fine installation I am trying to set up raid:

	 atacotnrol create RAID ad4 ad5

	after that , booting .. and kernel doesn't see where from to boot .. ar0 
seems to be inaccessable or doesn't contain anything bootabl'e .. eg 
previoously boot device were ad4s1e (or soemthing like that .. ) assumably 
ar0s1e should be what must be used .. using it crashes system.

	What is right procedure to install to such IDE RADI controller FreeBSD 
system ?

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