From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 00:13:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1419D16A4CE; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:13:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF59843DAC; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:11:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDAF5AE095; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:10:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 58737-09; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:10:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9B8A5AE087; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:10:01 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20031214081001.9B8A5AE087@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:10:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-11-23 - 2003-12-13 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 08:13:52 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://www.FreshPorts.org/ - the place for ports FreshSource - http://www.FreshSource.org/ - the place for source From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 15:57:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BADB216A4CE for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:57:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.richardflanagan.com.au (gateway.richardflanagan.com.au [203.149.71.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA35443D2D for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:57:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from akozak@richardflanagan.com.au) Received: from akozak (akozak.richardflanagan.com.au [192.168.0.21]) by mail.richardflanagan.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 3EF84218C14; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:58:33 +1000 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3FDCFBF0.000001.02096@akozak> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:10:25 +1000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501313) From: "Andrew Kozak" References: <20031213091345.1ca7d655.rpratt1950@earthlink.net> To: X-FID: PLAINTXT-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 cc: FreeBSD Newbies Subject: Re: Mailing lists (was RE: growfs question) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:57:13 -0000 Hiya Randy Sound good, thanks very much for the tips I'll give that method a go for sure :) Regards Andy -------Original Message------- From: Randy Pratt Date: 14/12/2003 12:15:11 AM To: Andrew Kozak Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Mailing lists (was RE: growfs question) On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:28:29 +1000, Andrew Kozak wrote: > I find the -questions email list to be way too busy and technical > to be of any use to me. Where do I find a "new user" oriented > technical help list? I am now on the -questions list for the third > time, the volume of mail is incredible, and following threads is > entirely beyond me there, as most subject lines are meaningless to > me, I have such a low understanding of the technical stuff. And the > man pages and other documentation assumes knowledge not in > evidence to me. In other words, can't make heads or tails of them, > either. You've ran into some of the same issues I had when I started using FreeBSD/unix so I thought I'd offer some suggestions that you might find helpful. The volume of mail on some of the FreeBSD mailing lists can be daunting. Its really not necessary to subscribe to the lists to post a question. For this reason, people will cc you on any responses to your question (or should). It might be wise to request that you be copied if you don't subscribe as a reminder for those that might forget. Almost all of the lists are available for reading without subscribing via the web: http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/current/ The links to each mailing list contain the current week's postings and its content is continuously updated. The online version is archived early Sunday morning and then starts over. If you want to browse old archives in threaded format, they can be accessed thru the parent directory: http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/ Personally, I find reading the lists in this manner preferable to subscribing to each list and managing it locally. Once I found my favorite lists, I made a local document which contained links directly to those lists so that they're just a click away. I've also made it a habit to save copies of posts that are of interest to me for quick reference. It seemed to be much easier than trying to find it again using a search engine. I've found that reading the lists on a regular basis can greatly add to your knowledge. Once you find something, try reading the manual page on it. It takes a little practice to develop some skill to read and understand manual pages (and often several readings of the same thing). Manual pages are written primarily as reference documents and not tutorials. Once you get the hang of them, they are a valuable resource. I'm fairly sure you'll get some responses to your query from the questions list. Don't forget that people answering your question are volunteering so be patient and courteous. Best regards, Randy -- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 17:17:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659F416A4CE for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:17:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from nature.Berkeley.EDU (nature.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.253.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAED143D36 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:17:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gvrdolja@nature.Berkeley.EDU) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nature.Berkeley.EDU (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27DA7C1E4E; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:17:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from nature.Berkeley.EDU ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nature [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16617-06; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:17:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by nature.Berkeley.EDU (Postfix, from userid 7458) id AA87EC1E52; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:17:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nature.Berkeley.EDU (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99BE5C1E4E; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:17:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:17:24 -0800 (PST) From: Gordon Vrololjak To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." In-Reply-To: <3FCFDAC9.6040908@daleco.biz> Message-ID: References: <3FCFDAC9.6040908@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nature.berkeley.edu cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: updating question (fwd) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:17:32 -0000 Ouch... ! That means I should try the make world method and recompile everything? Seems less of a pain to reinstall. Or should I do a 'portupgrade -a' after updating with cvsup? I just want to keep up with security updates to keep the system secure. Gordon > For the system itself, use the method shown > in the FreeBSD handbook ("new" method, Chapter > 21 "The Cutting Edge"). > > For 3rd party software, install from the ports tree, > then use portupgrade (also in ports) to keep up > with the changes. An excellent article by Dru Lavigne: > > http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/28/FreeBSD_Basics.html > > HTH, > > Kevin Kinsey > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 20:25:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 620CA16A4CE for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:25:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9229743D4C for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:25:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:28:06 -0600 Message-ID: <3FDFDA85.2070707@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:24:37 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031124 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gordon Vrololjak References: <3FCFDAC9.6040908@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2003 04:28:06.0875 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B4612B0:01C3C456] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: updating question (fwd) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 04:25:11 -0000 Gordon Vrololjak wrote: >Ouch... ! That means I should try the make world method and recompile >everything? Seems less of a pain to reinstall. Or should I do a >'portupgrade -a' after updating with cvsup? > >I just want to keep up with security updates to keep the system secure. >Gordon > > > Well, "make world/make buildkernel" et al doesn't make you create off-box backups and leave you with a non-running system while you wipe a disk and start over, for one thing... ;-) Or maybe I misunderstand what you're saying.... It really would depend a bit on your hardware. My servers do their rebuilds overnight, generally. At home, on Athlon 1800+, the building probably takes less time then d'loading new source over the modem .... couple of hours max. And, like I said, I can usually do some work while it does its thing; just have to reboot after "make installkernel". Surely not *much* worse than "Windows Update" (at least not when a new SP comes out ;-) ). If you just want to stay secure, for many "advisories" there is a patch submitted against the "buggy" code. You apply the patch and then recompile/reinstall only the program(s) that are affected. Every once in a while it's a biggy (sendmail, BIND, etc.) and "make world" seems a good alternative. I almost always use "make world", because, as I said, it's little skin off my nose, and I like bright shiny new toys ... ;-) As for your ports, "portupgrade" is wonderful. But, if you've any quantity of them, it can be quite a big deal. I've done "portupgrade -arR" twice on my desktop system. Two days, generally; as stated, a lot of that is just downloading the new source. I have XFree, Gnome, 3 other wm's, Apache, PHP, GIMP, MySQL, Acroread, Mozilla, Opera, JDK ... tons of stuff to upgrade each time. God forbid I ever install Openoffice.... :o If you're just concerned about security, I'd just "portupgrade" which ever program has the new version out, although after a while you get behind with dependencies. In these days of ADSL and cable modems, it doesn't seem that big of a deal to me (I just wish I could get it here in the sticks....) Also, I hope it's clear that "make world" and "portupgrade" do two different things ... one rebuilds the base system, the other rebuilds most 3rd party SW you have installed.... KDK >>For the system itself, use the method shown >>in the FreeBSD handbook ("new" method, Chapter >>21 "The Cutting Edge"). >> >>For 3rd party software, install from the ports tree, >>then use portupgrade (also in ports) to keep up >>with the changes. An excellent article by Dru Lavigne: >> >>http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/28/FreeBSD_Basics.html >> >>HTH, >> >>Kevin Kinsey >> >> From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 10:39:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FDF16A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:39:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibague.terra.com.br (ibague.terra.com.br [200.154.55.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BA1A43D41 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:39:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fabricio.carboni@terra.com.br) Received: from sucre.terra.com.br (sucre.terra.com.br [200.176.3.37]) by ibague.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0BCBECA53 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:39:56 -0200 (BRST) Received: from fabriciocarboni (sp.200_155_7_149.datacenter1.com.br [200.155.7.149]) (authenticated user fabricio.carboni) by sucre.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9574D3C19E for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:39:56 -0200 (BRST) Message-ID: <006c01c3c4cd$2b59c8b0$95c0000a@comdominio.com.br> From: "Fabricio Carboni (terra)" To: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:37:50 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: VIA VT6105 Rhine III on FreeBSD 4.9 Release X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:39:59 -0000 Hi, This is my first post in this list. I have the freebsd 4.9 release on CD and the VIA VT6105 Rhine III card doesn't recognized automatically by system. However,when I install freebsd 5.1 release, the vr0 card appears normally and it stay up without any problem. Someone know what may I do to solve this one or wich list I should post this doubt.? Thanks and sorry if this message is off-topic. Fabricio Carboni From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 10:50:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1A416A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:50:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from amber.aeternal.net (amber.in.markiza.sk [195.146.148.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A747643D3F for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:50:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from corwin@aeternal.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by amber.aeternal.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B912A54E0 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:51:25 +0100 (CET) From: Martin Hudec To: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:51:23 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <006c01c3c4cd$2b59c8b0$95c0000a@comdominio.com.br> In-Reply-To: <006c01c3c4cd$2b59c8b0$95c0000a@comdominio.com.br> X-Copyright: (C) 2003 Martin Hudec X-Operating-System: FreeBSD amber.aeternal.net 4.9-RELEASE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200312171951.23186.corwin@aeternal.net> Subject: Re: VIA VT6105 Rhine III on FreeBSD 4.9 Release X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:50:43 -0000 Hi there, this network card is able to work with 4.9 release, as they say in hardware compatibility list: VIA Technologies VT3043 ``Rhine I'', VT86C100A ``Rhine II'', and VT6105/ VT6105M ``Rhine III'' Fast Ethernet NICs ( vr(4) driver) Maybe your kernel is not configured for this card (GENERIC kernel misses a lot of stuff :)) This card requires these devices in kernel: device miibus device vr Take a look into /usr/src/sys/i386/conf, there is a file named GENERIC which holds configuration of your kernel. Try to look for those devices inside. cheers, M. On Wednesday 17 December 2003 19:37, Fabricio Carboni (terra) wrote: > I have the freebsd 4.9 release on CD and the VIA VT6105 Rhine III card > doesn't recognized automatically by system. However,when I install freebsd > 5.1 release, the vr0 card appears normally and it stay up without any > problem. -- : :. kind regards :.. Martin Hudec :.: :.: =w= http://www.aeternal.net :.: =m= +421.907.303393 :.: =@= corwin@aeternal.net :.: :.: "When you want something, all the universe :.: conspires in helping you to achieve it." :.: - The Alchemist (Paulo Coelho) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 14:05:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 160B516A4CF for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:05:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from nature.Berkeley.EDU (nature.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.253.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D612943D36 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:05:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gvrdolja@nature.Berkeley.EDU) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nature.Berkeley.EDU (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793E0C1E32; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:05:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from nature.Berkeley.EDU ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nature [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23802-07; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:05:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by nature.Berkeley.EDU (Postfix, from userid 7458) id E8A0EC1E35; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:05:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nature.Berkeley.EDU (Postfix) with ESMTP id D829DC1E32; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:05:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:05:36 -0800 (PST) From: Gordon Vrololjak To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." In-Reply-To: <3FDFDA85.2070707@daleco.biz> Message-ID: References: <3FDFDA85.2070707@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nature.berkeley.edu cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: updating question (fwd) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:05:44 -0000 Thanks for the help Kevin, >From the handbook they give a lot of warnings about backing up the system, checking /etc/groups for discrepencies, etc... makes me sort of worried about losing everything including the kernel I recompiled for the sytem after doing a make world. I was wondering too, why the commands mentioned in the handbook don't work for me? ie: from handbook: The solution is to examine /usr/src/etc/group and compare its list of groups with your own. If there are any groups in the new file that are not in your file then copy them over. Similarly, you should rename any groups in /etc/group which have the same GID but a different name to those in /usr/src/etc/group. ... but I find I don't have /usr/src/etc/group Thanks, Gordon \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Gordon Ante Vrdoljak Electron Microscope Lab ICQ 23243541 http://nature.berkeley.edu/~gvrdolja 26 Giannini Hall gvrdolja@nature.berkeley.edu UC Berkeley phone (510) 642-2085 Berkeley CA 94720-3330 fax (510) 643-6207 cell (510) 290-6793 On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > Gordon Vrololjak wrote: > > >Ouch... ! That means I should try the make world method and recompile > >everything? Seems less of a pain to reinstall. Or should I do a > >'portupgrade -a' after updating with cvsup? > > > >I just want to keep up with security updates to keep the system secure. > >Gordon > > > > > > > > Well, "make world/make buildkernel" et al doesn't make you > create off-box backups and leave you with a non-running > system while you wipe a disk and start over, for one thing... ;-) > > Or maybe I misunderstand what you're saying.... > > It really would depend a bit on your hardware. My servers > do their rebuilds overnight, generally. At home, on Athlon > 1800+, the building probably takes less time then d'loading > new source over the modem .... couple of hours max. And, > like I said, I can usually do some work while it does its thing; > just have to reboot after "make installkernel". Surely not > *much* worse than "Windows Update" (at least not when > a new SP comes out ;-) ). > > If you just want to stay secure, for many "advisories" there > is a patch submitted against the "buggy" code. You apply > the patch and then recompile/reinstall only the program(s) > that are affected. > > Every once in a while it's a biggy (sendmail, BIND, etc.) > and "make world" seems a good alternative. I almost > always use "make world", because, as I said, it's little > skin off my nose, and I like bright shiny new toys ... ;-) > > As for your ports, "portupgrade" is wonderful. But, if you've > any quantity of them, it can be quite a big deal. I've done > "portupgrade -arR" twice on my desktop system. Two days, > generally; as stated, a lot of that is just downloading the new > source. I have XFree, Gnome, 3 other wm's, Apache, PHP, GIMP, > MySQL, Acroread, Mozilla, Opera, JDK ... tons of stuff to > upgrade each time. God forbid I ever install Openoffice.... :o > > If you're just concerned about security, I'd just "portupgrade" > which ever program has the new version out, although after a > while you get behind with dependencies. In these days of ADSL > and cable modems, it doesn't seem that big of a deal to me (I just > wish I could get it here in the sticks....) > > Also, I hope it's clear that "make world" and "portupgrade" do > two different things ... one rebuilds the base system, the other > rebuilds most 3rd party SW you have installed.... > > KDK > > >>For the system itself, use the method shown > >>in the FreeBSD handbook ("new" method, Chapter > >>21 "The Cutting Edge"). > >> > >>For 3rd party software, install from the ports tree, > >>then use portupgrade (also in ports) to keep up > >>with the changes. An excellent article by Dru Lavigne: > >> > >>http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/28/FreeBSD_Basics.html > >> > >>HTH, > >> > >>Kevin Kinsey > >> > >> > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 09:43:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9DD16A4CE for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:43:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from TERRADB2.univ.dir.wwu.edu (terradb2.cms.wwu.edu [140.160.248.136]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F94F43D41 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:43:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Phillip.Nordwall@wwu.edu) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:43:35 -0800 Message-ID: <3FE8E112169C9044922C256E6B2EE8F20874E2@terradb2.cms.wwu.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Colorsls Thread-Index: AcO9+HMwyifn0Vi6QpetBRQVYWfkUAIXxZfa From: "Phillip Nordwall" To: "Andrew Kozak" , "FreeBSD Newbies" Subject: RE: Colorsls X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:43:55 -0000 I use ls -G on my system, will this work for you? Phillip Nordwall -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Kozak [mailto:akozak@richardflanagan.com.au] Sent: Mon 12/8/2003 6:13 PM To: FreeBSD Newbies Cc:=09 Subject: Colorsls Hi All I was hoping to spice up my console with colorls, which I had installed = in 4 7, I have done a complete reinstall since, and noticed that colorls has = gone from the ports in 4.9 ! Does anyone know of a port that has taken it's = place ? Or another method of obtaining colors for irssi and ls ? =20 Andy =20 _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 10:18:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D2C16A4F4 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:18:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C9C43D54 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:18:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:21:43 -0600 Message-ID: <3FE340DA.4030708@daleco.biz> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:18:02 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031124 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Phillip Nordwall References: <3FE8E112169C9044922C256E6B2EE8F20874E2@terradb2.cms.wwu.edu> In-Reply-To: <3FE8E112169C9044922C256E6B2EE8F20874E2@terradb2.cms.wwu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2003 18:21:44.0093 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4AF5CD0:01C3C65C] cc: Andrew Kozak cc: FreeBSD Newbies Subject: Re: Colorsls X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:18:43 -0000 Phillip Nordwall wrote: >I use ls -G on my system, will this work for you? > >Phillip Nordwall > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Andrew Kozak [mailto:akozak@richardflanagan.com.au] >Sent: Mon 12/8/2003 6:13 PM >To: FreeBSD Newbies >Cc: >Subject: Colorsls >Hi All > >I was hoping to spice up my console with colorls, which I had installed in 4 >7, I have done a complete reinstall since, and noticed that colorls has gone >from the ports in 4.9 ! Does anyone know of a port that has taken it's place >? >Or another method of obtaining colors for irssi and ls ? > >Andy > > > In .cshrc setenv CLICOLOR KDK From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 19:10:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D2216A4CE for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:10:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73A543D41 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:10:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) hBK3AAFR002517 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:10:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hBK3AAce002516 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:10:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:10:10 -0800 (PST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200312200310.hBK3AAce002516@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 03:10:14 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________