From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 10 00:29:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3BB37B401 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 00:29:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dommail.onthenet.com.au (dommail.OntheNet.com.au [203.13.70.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EAB543F93 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 00:29:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd.org (CPE-203-45-244-178.qld.bigpond.net.au [203.45.244.178]) by dommail.onthenet.com.au (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.2.4-GA) with ESMTP id ABE38689 (AUTH peterg@ptree32.com.au); Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:29:09 +1000 (EST) Sender: grehan@dommail.onthenet.com.au Message-ID: <3F35F473.8F55C94C@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:29:55 +1000 From: Peter Grehan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MacMan20001 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A simple question X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 07:29:28 -0000 Hi Dan, > I just need to know: what is the status of the project? The news said > "almost" to single user mode, so I hope it has advanced. I am quite > interested in FreeBSD for Mac, and would be willing to do > testing/evaluation if necessary. If I missed something on another > part of the site, I'd like a redirect. > > Any help would be nice. A scan of the -ppc archives for '03 should give a better picture of where the project is up to. The system has been able to run multi-user on a limited number of NewWorld models for a while, although installation is not pretty. After a bit of a break, I'm currently getting the system to work with the recent gcc3.3 import. When that's done, I'll try and get the web pages updated. later, Peter. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 13 01:03:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E7237B401; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maillog.itri.org.tw (dnsh2.itri.org.tw [211.21.179.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3F343FBF; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:03:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mtlin1@ms36.hinet.net) Received: from mail.itri.org.tw (mail [140.96.157.2]) by maillog.itri.org.tw (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h7D83oA04875; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:03:50 +0800 (CST) Received: from ms4.itri.org.tw ([140.96.151.159]) by mail.itri.org.tw (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h7D7v9016835; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:57:10 +0800 (CST) Received: from mtlin ([140.96.254.153]) by ms4.itri.org.tw (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.11) with ESMTP id 2003081316015077:815 ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:01:50 +0800 Message-ID: <01ac01c36171$28ade6b0$0655608c@mtlin> From: "Morton Lin" To: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:01:10 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MS4/ITRI(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 2003-08-13 04:01:50 PM,2003-08-13 04:01:51 PM, Serialize complete at 2003-08-13 04:01:51 PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Porting FreeBSD to PowerPC 860 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:03:14 -0000 Hi, Peter and all : I had an EmbeddedPlanet PowerPC 860 evaluation board and ICE device. (EmbeddedPlanet SBC 860 H EP862-1.1 and BDI 2000) ( http://www.embeddedplanet.com/products/ep8xx.asp ) Now I start to survey how to port the FreeBSD into this board. I want to know does anyone work on it already ? And what's information and knowledge I should to learn and dig ? Is there any code base already I can develop depend on it ? I think the problem is I am not very familiar with FreeBSD kernel hacking. Sorry for my poor English. Any suggestion will be very appreciated. Thank you very much ! Best Regards, Morton Lin. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 13 04:02:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA22A37B401 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 04:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dommail.onthenet.com.au (dommail.OntheNet.com.au [203.13.70.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A3F43F3F for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 04:02:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd.org (CPE-203-45-244-178.qld.bigpond.net.au [203.45.244.178]) by dommail.onthenet.com.au (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.2.4-GA) with ESMTP id ABF33717 (AUTH peterg@ptree32.com.au); Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:02:17 +1000 (EST) Sender: grehan@dommail.onthenet.com.au Message-ID: <3F3A1B04.97E86EC0@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:03:32 +1000 From: Peter Grehan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Morton Lin References: <01ac01c36171$28ade6b0$0655608c@mtlin> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Porting FreeBSD to PowerPC 860 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:02:26 -0000 Hi Morton > I had an EmbeddedPlanet PowerPC 860 evaluation board and ICE device. > (EmbeddedPlanet SBC 860 H EP862-1.1 and BDI 2000) ... > I want to know does anyone work on it already ? And what's > information and knowledge I should to learn and dig ? Is there > any code base already I can develop depend on it ? I think the > problem is I am not very familiar with FreeBSD kernel hacking. The 860 is quite different than the G3/G4 processors currently supported by the port - no BAT registers - the MMU is a simple TLB, unlike the OEA h/w tablewalk in the G3/G4 - no floating point - a huge amount of system-on-chip logic and peripherals It will be quite a lot of work to get FreeBSD running on an 860, but I have one, and it is my long term goal. I greatly encourage you to join in the fun :-) The NetBSD port to the IBM 4xx is a good place to start: the 4xx is similar to the 860 in that there is only a TLB for addr translation, and it has no floating point. A lot of device driver work needs to be done to support the inbuilt peripherals. Also, the current port is closely tied to OpenFirmware - that has to be split out, and you have to find a way to get the loader to run. I'm not sure what ROM monitor the EmbeddedPlanet boards have, but if it's U-Boot, then there is a bit of work to be done to interface FreeBSD's loader to it. later, Peter. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 13 10:29:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4AD737B401; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869E643FA3; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:29:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arr@watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DHTJAL006125; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:29:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from arr@watson.org) Received: from localhost (arr@localhost)h7DHTJ5d006122; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:29:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: arr owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:29:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew R. Reiter" To: grehan@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20030813132316.O4580@fledge.watson.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Subject: 603e support (IBM thinkpad) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:29:48 -0000 Peter, Thanks for all the work you've done so far on the PowerPC port. I am receiving a IBM Power Series laptop in the mail within a few days and am very interested in attempting to get FreeBSD work on this "age" of PPC going. I read a previous email on the freebsd-ppc mailing list stating the difficulties in getting FreeBSD going on this type of PPC chip. I also noted that you have a similar 603 chip laying about. Perhaps we could lay out some plans as to how we _could_ go about adding support for this chip? Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew R. Reiter arr@watson.org arr@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 13 16:06:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81A637B401 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dommail.onthenet.com.au (dommail.OntheNet.com.au [203.13.70.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CD443FA3 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:06:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd.org (CPE-203-45-244-178.qld.bigpond.net.au [203.45.244.178]) by dommail.onthenet.com.au (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.2.4-GA) with ESMTP id ABF38691 (AUTH peterg@ptree32.com.au); Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:05:53 +1000 (EST) Sender: grehan@dommail.onthenet.com.au Message-ID: <3F3AC4A0.1D0F3DF0@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:07:12 +1000 From: Peter Grehan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Andrew R. Reiter" References: <20030813132316.O4580@fledge.watson.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 603e support (IBM thinkpad) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 23:06:03 -0000 Hi Andrew, > I am receiving a IBM Power Series laptop in the mail within a few days and > am very interested in attempting to get FreeBSD work on this "age" of PPC > going. I read a previous email on the freebsd-ppc mailing list stating > the difficulties in getting FreeBSD going on this type of PPC chip. I > also noted that you have a similar 603 chip laying about. There might be some confusion: the 860 is the Motorola MPC860 'PowerQUICC', whereas I think the IBM laptop has a model number of '860' Is it one of these ? http://www2.ibmlink.ibm.com/cgi-bin/master?request=salesmanual&parms=SMS&xh=aVxB3ceuwvyczq1USenGnN9332&xhi=usa.main%7Csalesmanual%5E&type=D&search=&title=T&product=7249 The 603e processor isn't too far off from the G3, and I don't think any of the differences would be exposed in the current FreeBSD port. > Perhaps we could lay out some plans as to how we _could_ go about adding support for > this chip? The most difficult task would be device support for the system controller, interrupt controller (if it isn't OpenPIC), and peripherals. While it is theoretically possible to use OpenFirmware for all i/o (i.e. NetBSD's ofwppc port), that would be hideously slow, so I think you'd have to extract h/w info from Linux source. There's some good info on getting Linux to work on these machines at: http://penguinppc.org/projects/ later, Peter. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 13 16:09:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCE637B401; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 939F943FBF; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:09:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arr@watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7DN8gAL052443; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:08:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from arr@watson.org) Received: from localhost (arr@localhost)h7DN8gnY052440; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:08:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: arr owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:08:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew R. Reiter" To: Peter Grehan In-Reply-To: <3F3AC4A0.1D0F3DF0@freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20030813190812.W50712@fledge.watson.org> References: <20030813132316.O4580@fledge.watson.org> <3F3AC4A0.1D0F3DF0@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 603e support (IBM thinkpad) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 23:09:10 -0000 Uncertain. Receiving hardware tuesday so I am currently not exactly sure what I will have. I will send an update next week. Thanks for the reply. Cheers, Andrew On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Peter Grehan wrote: :Hi Andrew, : :> I am receiving a IBM Power Series laptop in the mail within a few days and :> am very interested in attempting to get FreeBSD work on this "age" of PPC :> going. I read a previous email on the freebsd-ppc mailing list stating :> the difficulties in getting FreeBSD going on this type of PPC chip. I :> also noted that you have a similar 603 chip laying about. : : There might be some confusion: the 860 is the Motorola MPC860 'PowerQUICC', :whereas I think the IBM laptop has a model number of '860' : : Is it one of these ? : :http://www2.ibmlink.ibm.com/cgi-bin/master?request=salesmanual&parms=SMS&xh=aVxB3ceuwvyczq1USenGnN9332&xhi=usa.main%7Csalesmanual%5E&type=D&search=&title=T&product=7249 : : The 603e processor isn't too far off from the G3, and I don't think any of the :differences would be exposed in the current FreeBSD port. : :> Perhaps we could lay out some plans as to how we _could_ go about adding support for :> this chip? : : The most difficult task would be device support for the system controller, interrupt :controller (if it isn't OpenPIC), and peripherals. While it is theoretically possible to :use OpenFirmware for all i/o (i.e. NetBSD's ofwppc port), that would be hideously :slow, so I think you'd have to extract h/w info from Linux source. : : There's some good info on getting Linux to work on these machines at: : : http://penguinppc.org/projects/ : :later, : :Peter. : -- Andrew R. Reiter arr@watson.org arr@FreeBSD.org