From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 14 01:02:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D15D16A4BF for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 01:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blarf.homeip.net (adsl-209-204-188-56.sonic.net [209.204.188.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB61343FE3 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 01:02:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@blarf.homeip.net) Received: by blarf.homeip.net (Postfix, from userid 2000) id 78FCE25734; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 01:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 01:02:28 -0700 From: Alex Zepeda To: peterg@ptree32.com.au, freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030914080228.GA19065@blarf.homeip.net> References: <200309140438.ABM22703@dommail.onthenet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200309140438.ABM22703@dommail.onthenet.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: zipzippy@sonic.net Subject: Re: How are things looking? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 08:02:29 -0000 On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 02:38:09PM +1000, peterg@ptree32.com.au wrote: > FreeBSD will use the console device that OpenFirmware is > set to. You can use the FreeBSD loader in place of the > NetBSD one, and OFW can even boot a FreeBSD kernel directly. Indeed, the knob labeled "XCOFF_GLUE" was the one I was looking for. I tossed in the NetBSD linker script, and changed the base address to match the NetBSD loader for good measure (before I found XCOFF_GLUE). With those, I was able to use objdump and fixcoff (which would make a great addition to the fbsd tree) from NetBSD to create a useable loader. Of course now, I'm going to go back and make sure the other two changes weren't needed (and perhaps reverting them will make the kernel bootable). After that, of course, will be getting the onboard ethernet working. :-D - alex From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 14 06:45:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 921F116A4BF for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 06:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dommail.onthenet.com.au (dommail.OntheNet.com.au [203.13.70.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0805143FB1 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 06:45:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peterg@ptree32.com.au) Received: from dommail.onthenet.com.au (localhost.onthenet.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by dommail.onthenet.com.au (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.2.4-GA) with ESMTP id ABM25875; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:45:46 +1000 (EST) From: Message-Id: <200309141345.ABM25875@dommail.onthenet.com.au> Received: from 68.166.4.126 by dommail.onthenet.com.au (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.2.4-GA) with HTTP/1.1; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:45:46 +1000 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:45:46 +1000 To: Alex Zepeda X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.4-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How are things looking? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:45:52 -0000 >> FreeBSD will use the console device that OpenFirmware is >> set to. You can use the FreeBSD loader in place of the >> NetBSD one, and OFW can even boot a FreeBSD kernel directly. Oops, I forgot that you were using the beige G3 there. You're right, OFW 2.4 doesn't understand ELF. >I was able to use objdump and fixcoff (which would make >a great addition to the fbsd tree) from NetBSD to create >a useable loader. That's great news. My plan was not to use binutils, but to modify the existing elf2aout to create the XCOFF'd loader. >After that, of course, will be getting the onboard ethernet >working. :-D I'm working on that as well (for the B&W G3), but if you want, and since I won't be coding for another week or so, you could start with the sources at www.freebsd.org/~grehan/if_bm.c if_bmreg.h The big issue is how to do a clean NEWBUS version of dbdma. later, Peter. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 14 13:01:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43CAC16A4BF for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blarf.homeip.net (adsl-209-204-188-56.sonic.net [209.204.188.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5DC543FAF for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:01:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@blarf.homeip.net) Received: by blarf.homeip.net (Postfix, from userid 2000) id 6E8F625126; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:01:47 -0700 From: Alex Zepeda To: peterg@ptree32.com.au, freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030914200147.GB3626@blarf.homeip.net> References: <200309141345.ABM25875@dommail.onthenet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200309141345.ABM25875@dommail.onthenet.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: How are things looking? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:01:48 -0000 On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 11:45:46PM +1000, peterg@ptree32.com.au wrote: > I'm working on that as well (for the B&W G3), but if you > want, and since I won't be coding for another week or so, > you could start with the sources at > > www.freebsd.org/~grehan/if_bm.c > if_bmreg.h > > The big issue is how to do a clean NEWBUS version of dbdma. Indeed. I may be in over my head here.. but we'll see once I get this thing booting. The next question as I see it is: how can I do an incremental cross build? I'm at that point where I just wanted to toy with loader changes.. but all I could come up with was a buildworld with -DNOCLEAN. There's gotta be something easier, right? - alex From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 14 20:57:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC4216A4BF for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:57:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blarf.homeip.net (adsl-209-204-188-56.sonic.net [209.204.188.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026BF43FAF for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:57:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@blarf.homeip.net) Received: by blarf.homeip.net (Postfix, from userid 2000) id 71EDE2537B; Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:57:38 -0700 From: Alex Zepeda To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030915035738.GA1503@blarf.homeip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: zipzippy@sonic.net Subject: OldWorld Mac: 1, Boot Loader: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 03:57:39 -0000 Argh. So I was looking through the CVS logs.. and I suppose the boot loader works fine on New World 'puters... well it won't on an Old World Mac. The "new" copyin functions just refuse to play nice (ofw_pmap blah blhah blah claim blah blah blah failed). Unfortunately backing it out cleanly is a big mess, and I haven't been able to pick one out. - alex From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 15 03:07:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3EF716A4BF for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 03:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blarf.homeip.net (adsl-209-204-188-56.sonic.net [209.204.188.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FAEF43FDD for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 03:07:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@blarf.homeip.net) Received: by blarf.homeip.net (Postfix, from userid 2000) id D349A25360; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 03:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 03:07:58 -0700 From: Alex Zepeda To: Andrew McCall , freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030915100758.GB460@blarf.homeip.net> References: <20030915035738.GA1503@blarf.homeip.net> <3F6574CC.2050904@digitalparadise.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3F6574CC.2050904@digitalparadise.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: OldWorld Mac: 1, Boot Loader: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:08:00 -0000 On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 09:14:04AM +0100, Andrew McCall wrote: > I don't know if this is needed or not, but I know quite a bit about how > the OldWorld boot process works. Well feel free to jump in anytime I'm making a stupid gross generalization. > Personally, I think its a little easier than the NewWorld boot process, > and can make for a much tidier install as there isn't any relience on a > HFS+ volume. I don't really see it, given how broken the OpenFirmware code was in the OW macs. No ELF support, no Apple Partition Map support, no support for ISO file versions (or at least truncating of the default version), etc. > One thing I would like to suggest is that its "done-right". I think > that we should be able to have FreeBSD-only systems that boot straight > to FreeBSD and have no reliance on MacOS. Sure, and that's the way it's setup right now. My problem is that the original FBSD loader allocates memory via some OF functions. About a year ago, this was changed to allocate memory by tickling some stuff directly. I haven't been able to distil a properly working loader yet as there have been a bunch of other changes prompted by drastic code changes well outside the ofw loader. That's what I'd like to remedy. If I can get the loader to allocate memory in an agreeable manner, I suppose that the kernel would boot just fine. - alex From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 15 08:24:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0EC16A4BF for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blarf.homeip.net (adsl-209-204-188-56.sonic.net [209.204.188.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D447743FBF for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:24:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zipzippy@sonic.net) Received: by blarf.homeip.net (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 8301C255FD; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 198.189.224.165 ([198.189.224.165]) by www.defamed.com (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:24:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1063639455.3f65d99f2b4e5@www.defamed.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:24:15 -0700 From: Alex Zepeda To: Andrew McCall References: <20030915035738.GA1503@blarf.homeip.net> <3F6574CC.2050904@digitalparadise.co.uk> <20030915100758.GB460@blarf.homeip.net> <3F659A05.1050508@digitalparadise.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3F659A05.1050508@digitalparadise.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 198.189.224.165 cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OldWorld Mac: 1, Boot Loader: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:24:16 -0000 Quoting Andrew McCall : > This isn't a flame at me is it? I am new to this mailing list, and I > wasn't presuming you didn't know this stuff already! Sorry if I stepped > out too soon. :( Oh, not at all. I'm hardly well versed in the ways of the FreeBSD/x86 kernel, let alone somethign as buggy^H^H^H^H^Hexotic as a PowerMac. I'm all ears for a better suggestion. > :) I suppose its just down to opinion! I feel a little more comfy with > the OW Macs as they seem to be more like a PC BIOS. I have to agree > that the OFW is very broken though. Ahh, well I'm all for moving away from the PC BIOS. In fact I like the *idea* of OpenFirmware a whole bunch. It's just Apple's various subpar implementations that drive me nuts. > Almost every version has its own > quirks according to documentation I have read. I like the way that )as > far as I am aware) you could have a OW Mac with *just* FreeBSD on it and > no boot parition. As far as I can tell, you would need a HFS partition > on a NW Mac as the bootloader is built into the OFW and that only > understands HFS parititions. I don ';t Well, AFAIK none of the OF versions (yet?) grok the Apple Partition map. This is what makes dual booting quite a pain. If you read over the NetBSD FAQ on all this stuff (http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/), it goes over what the various versions of OF do and don't support. I'm pretty sure you don't need an HFS partition to do anything really. You just need to stick whatever you're loading in the first partition. This is a non issue for me at least because I would really like to dual boot off of the internal disk (so far only possible with Darwin and Linux). > Well if there is anyway I can help, let me know. Could we not just use > the code from NetBSD, or is it a little more complicated that that? (as > I said, I am not skilled enough to code yet, but I think I know *how* I > should do it!). Well for starters, the NetBSD file layout is quite different. The next big problem is that the nbsd loader didn't like the FreeBSD kernel too much. Different expected entry point perhaps? - alex From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 17 13:46:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8593316A4B3 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A87A043FE1 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:46:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mccall@digitalparadise.co.uk) Received: from h2o.demon.co.uk ([80.177.172.29] helo=digitalparadise.co.uk) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19zjBq-0004K4-0b for freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:46:18 +0100 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:46:17 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Andrew McCall To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Subject: Installation Instructions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:46:20 -0000 Hi Folks, I think I have done enough "thinking" of installing FreeBSD recently, and I should actually try and install it :) I have been looking around, and I can't actually see any installation instructions! Come to think of it - I can't even find anywhere to download it! Are there any FreeBSD/PPC install guides anywhere? Do I have to install it on a x86 machine and cross-compile? Thanks, Andrew McCall From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 18 09:41:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E0F116A4B3 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (mail-in-03.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A212643FDD for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:41:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from comrad@drunkencat.net) Received: from imac (dsl-082-082-068-142.arcor-ip.net [82.82.68.142]) by mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485E8C1152 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:41:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:41:20 +0200 From: Bernd Ritter To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030918184120.50afb55e.comrad@drunkencat.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; powerpc-yellowdog-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: still active X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:41:23 -0000 hi, is this port still active? Bernd From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 18 13:16:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BA516A4BF for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 13:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-in-04.arcor-online.net (mail-in-04.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F1E43FDD for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 13:16:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from comrad@drunkencat.net) Received: from imac (dsl-082-082-068-142.arcor-ip.net [82.82.68.142]) by mail-in-04.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964A6A69A9 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:16:04 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:16:03 +0200 From: Bernd Ritter To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030918221603.0f8192f0.comrad@drunkencat.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; powerpc-yellowdog-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: still active X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:16:06 -0000 hi thanks for the answer. I was really wondering, as the latest news is like a year old. is there anywhere an updated status-report? binaries? i would like to kick away my linux for freebsd on my mac. Bernd From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 18 13:26:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B69616A4B3 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 13:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.89]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7108343FBF for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 13:26:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leimy2k@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin07-en2 [10.13.10.152]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h8IKQR9D027417; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 13:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (adsl-19-169-229.jan.bellsouth.net [68.19.169.229]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/8.12.9/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h8IKQP21029311; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 13:26:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20030918221603.0f8192f0.comrad@drunkencat.net> References: <20030918221603.0f8192f0.comrad@drunkencat.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v591) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5BAF05D2-EA16-11D7-97CA-0003937E39E0@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Leimbach Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:26:17 -0500 To: Bernd Ritter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.591) cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: still active X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:26:31 -0000 Who wouldn't... If I could get FBSD to boot from whatever file system is on the iPod [HFS+] I'd just firewire boot it :). Dave On Sep 18, 2003, at 3:16 PM, Bernd Ritter wrote: > hi > > thanks for the answer. I was really wondering, as the latest news is > like a year old. is there anywhere an updated status-report? binaries? > i would like to kick away my linux for freebsd on my mac. > > Bernd > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ppc > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ppc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 18 20:49:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D75816A4B3 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:49:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2302F43F75 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:49:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drhodus@catpa.com) Received: from catpa.com ([67.32.176.213]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with ESMTP id <20030919034932.RTPB24581.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@catpa.com>; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:49:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:49:31 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: David Leimbach From: David Rhodus In-Reply-To: <5BAF05D2-EA16-11D7-97CA-0003937E39E0@mac.com> Message-Id: <469A7816-EA54-11D7-8DF8-000A959B213E@catpa.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: still active X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 03:49:34 -0000 On Thursday, September 18, 2003, at 04:26 PM, David Leimbach wrote: > Who wouldn't... > > If I could get FBSD to boot from whatever file system is on the iPod > [HFS+] I'd just > firewire boot it :). I think that could be made to work with some small amount of effort as the code to read/write HFS+ has been committed to the FreeBSD tree... -DR From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 18 21:09:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0715816A4B3 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (A17-250-248-89.apple.com [17.250.248.89]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6268F43FDF for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:09:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leimy2k@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin07-en2 [10.13.10.152]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h8J49f9D013064; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (adsl-19-169-229.jan.bellsouth.net [68.19.169.229]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/8.12.9/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h8J49a21002242; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:09:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <469A7816-EA54-11D7-8DF8-000A959B213E@catpa.com> References: <469A7816-EA54-11D7-8DF8-000A959B213E@catpa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v599) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0C746FC8-EA57-11D7-B6B6-0003937E39E0@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Leimbach Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:09:22 -0500 To: David Rhodus X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.599) cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: still active X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:09:46 -0000 On Sep 18, 2003, at 10:49 PM, David Rhodus wrote: > > On Thursday, September 18, 2003, at 04:26 PM, David Leimbach wrote: > >> Who wouldn't... >> >> If I could get FBSD to boot from whatever file system is on the iPod >> [HFS+] I'd just >> firewire boot it :). > > I think that could be made to work with some small amount of effort as > the code > to read/write HFS+ has been committed to the FreeBSD tree... I thought it had... I should see if my iPod works on FBSD first [x86] > > -DR > From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 18 21:18:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F1016A4B3 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (A17-250-248-97.apple.com [17.250.248.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9406C43F3F for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:18:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leimy2k@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin07-en2 [10.13.10.152]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h8J4I2Cr007164; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (adsl-19-169-229.jan.bellsouth.net [68.19.169.229]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/8.12.9/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h8J4Hf21003915; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:17:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0C746FC8-EA57-11D7-B6B6-0003937E39E0@mac.com> References: <469A7816-EA54-11D7-8DF8-000A959B213E@catpa.com> <0C746FC8-EA57-11D7-B6B6-0003937E39E0@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v599) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2F40CC7C-EA58-11D7-B6B6-0003937E39E0@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Leimbach Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:17:30 -0500 To: David Leimbach X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.599) cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: still active X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:18:04 -0000 On Sep 18, 2003, at 11:09 PM, David Leimbach wrote: > > On Sep 18, 2003, at 10:49 PM, David Rhodus wrote: > >> >> On Thursday, September 18, 2003, at 04:26 PM, David Leimbach wrote: >> >>> Who wouldn't... >>> >>> If I could get FBSD to boot from whatever file system is on the iPod >>> [HFS+] I'd just >>> firewire boot it :). >> >> I think that could be made to work with some small amount of effort >> as the code >> to read/write HFS+ has been committed to the FreeBSD tree... > > > I thought it had... I should see if my iPod works on FBSD first [x86] > Well... I'll be damned: GEOM: create disk da0 dp=0xc21c3450 da0 at sbp0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Removable Simplified Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 50.000MB/s transfers, Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 9536MB (19531260 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1215C) > >> >> -DR >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ppc > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ppc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 18 21:22:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE8C16A4BF; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (A17-250-248-86.apple.com [17.250.248.86]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AED443F3F; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:22:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leimy2k@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin08-en2 [10.13.10.153]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h8J4MlKx029678; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (adsl-19-169-229.jan.bellsouth.net [68.19.169.229]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/8.12.9/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h8J4MjwE027468; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v599) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Leimbach Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:22:37 -0500 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.599) cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: HFS+ driver kernel options? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:22:48 -0000 Hey... just looking to see what option I need to enable to get HFS+ support... I am going to try experimenting with building a ppc cross-build environment and try to install FreeBSD on my iPod and boot from it :) Dave From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 18 23:59:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85ED016A4B3; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (ms-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4458543FD7; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:59:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@unixpages.org) Received: from r220-1 (r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.31]) by ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HLG00GUN8K7SP@ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de>; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:55:20 +0200 (MEST) Received: from relay.RWTH-Aachen.DE ([134.130.3.1]) by r220-1 (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:55:18 +0200 (MEST) Received: from haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (daemon@haakonia.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.92]) h8J6tIsU017513; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:55:18 +0200 (MEST) Received: from gondor.middleearth (gondor.middleearth [192.168.1.42]) by haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326201B; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:55:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: by gondor.middleearth (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1BDFD4532; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:55:16 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:55:16 +0200 From: Christian Brueffer In-reply-to: To: David Leimbach Message-id: <20030919065516.GB31340@unixpages.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary=cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.1-CURRENT X-PGP-Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D References: cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HFS+ driver kernel options? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:59:01 -0000 --cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 11:22:37PM -0500, David Leimbach wrote: > Hey... just looking to see what option I need to enable to get HFS+=20 > support... >=20 All you need should be here: http://people.freebsd.org/~yar/hfs/ - Christian --=20 Christian Brueffer chris@unixpages.org brueffer@FreeBSD.org GPG Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc GPG Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D --cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/aqhUbHYXjKDtmC0RAqQcAKDzYtZN/ba8wlCQa4ffUEo5Tr+/pwCg0wvS LlQC/t1XkBkpPgfoqcHYtjY= =V7P4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp-- From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 19 03:46:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1FA16A4B3; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 03:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from firecrest.mail.pas.earthlink.net (firecrest.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.247]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C8643FBD; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 03:46:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from user-2ivfmp3.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.219.35] helo=mindspring.com) by firecrest.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1A0ImB-0003G9-00; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 03:46:12 -0700 Message-ID: <3F6ADE2E.4CBA1BB3@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 03:45:02 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Leimbach References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a480d4f8bbc2193b3e4fac426c7b6ef1132601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HFS+ driver kernel options? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:46:14 -0000 David Leimbach wrote: > Hey... just looking to see what option I need to enable to get HFS+ > support... > > I am going to try experimenting with building a ppc cross-build > environment and > try to install FreeBSD on my iPod and boot from it :) (1) iPod's default to MSDOSFS for compatability with PC's. (2) iPod's do not have a PPC, they have two ARM chips. There's a Linux that runs on iPod's that you might want to look at, if you are truly interested in doing a port of FreeBSD, but it would be an ARM port. -- Terry From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 19 04:08:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DC616A4BF; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (A17-250-248-85.apple.com [17.250.248.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D33543FDD; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:08:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leimy2k@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin08-en2 [10.13.10.153]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h8JB89tq009298; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (adsl-19-169-229.jan.bellsouth.net [68.19.169.229]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/8.12.9/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h8JB88wE005788; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:08:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3F6ADE2E.4CBA1BB3@mindspring.com> References: <3F6ADE2E.4CBA1BB3@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v599) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8BBB12CD-EA91-11D7-A2AF-0003937E39E0@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Leimbach Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:08:06 -0500 To: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.599) cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HFS+ driver kernel options? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:08:11 -0000 On Sep 19, 2003, at 5:45 AM, Terry Lambert wrote: > David Leimbach wrote: >> Hey... just looking to see what option I need to enable to get HFS+ >> support... >> >> I am going to try experimenting with building a ppc cross-build >> environment and >> try to install FreeBSD on my iPod and boot from it :) > > (1) iPod's default to MSDOSFS for compatability with PC's. > > (2) iPod's do not have a PPC, they have two ARM chips. > > There's a Linux that runs on iPod's that you might want to look at, > if you are truly interested in doing a port of FreeBSD, but it > would be an ARM port. > You've misunderstood me. I want to build FreeBSD-PPC and install it on an iPod [filesystem wise] then use the iPod to boot my Mac. It doesn't really matter to me what CPU is in the iPod... just that its a handy firewire disk. > -- Terry From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 19 04:08:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D10216A500; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89FB343FAF; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:08:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leimy2k@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin08-en2 [10.13.10.153]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h8JB8kCr001544; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (adsl-19-169-229.jan.bellsouth.net [68.19.169.229]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/8.12.9/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h8JB88wF005788; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:08:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20030919065516.GB31340@unixpages.org> References: <20030919065516.GB31340@unixpages.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v599) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Leimbach Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:08:44 -0500 To: Christian Brueffer X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.599) cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HFS+ driver kernel options? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:08:48 -0000 On Sep 19, 2003, at 1:55 AM, Christian Brueffer wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 11:22:37PM -0500, David Leimbach wrote: >> Hey... just looking to see what option I need to enable to get HFS+ >> support... >> > > All you need should be here: http://people.freebsd.org/~yar/hfs/ > Doesn't compile under CURRENT it seems. I can give more details later but right now I have to drive for a few hours so see ya later! > - Christian > > -- > Christian Brueffer chris@unixpages.org brueffer@FreeBSD.org > GPG Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc > GPG Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D