From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 17 03:53:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADABD16A4B3 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 03:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gateway.nixsys.be (gateway.nixsys.be [195.144.77.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2D5F43FE0 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 03:53:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from philip@nixsys.be) Received: from hermes.nixsys.be (hermes.nixsys.be [195.144.77.45]) by gateway.nixsys.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B815C159 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:53:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: by hermes.nixsys.be (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C56B46E; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:53:26 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:53:25 +0200 From: Philip Paeps To: Laurent LEVIER Message-ID: <20030917105325.GB656@hermes.nixsys.be> Mail-Followup-To: Laurent LEVIER , qa@FreeBSD.org References: <200309120710.h8C7AFsR051642@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200309120710.h8C7AFsR051642@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Date-in-Rome: ante diem XV Kalendas Octobres MMDCCLVI ab Urbe Condida X-PGP-Fingerprint: FA74 3C27 91A6 79D5 F6D3 FC53 BF4B D0E6 049D B879 X-Message-Flag: Get a proper mailclient! Mutt: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: kern/47451: 5.0 GENERIC(sysinstall CD) locks during boot on Proliant ML530 X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:53:31 -0000 On 2003-09-12 00:10:15 (-0700), Laurent LEVIER wrote: > I got the same problem with another ML530 with FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE boot CD I managed to get a 2003-08-31 JPSNAP boot-cd to boot an ML530. It needs ACPI off to work though, with ACPI, I get it to panic. > ML530 is 2x800MHz Xeon + 1 GB RAM + Compaq Smart Array 4200 I have the same model. > I tried with no ACPI but problem remains. Without ACPI worked here with a JPSNAP from 2003-08-31, and RELENG_5_1 worked pretty well too. Perhaps something ACPI-related changed since 5.1-RELEASE? - Philip -- Philip Paeps Please don't CC me, I am subscribed to the list. There are three ways to get things done: (1) Do it yourself, (2) Hire someone to do it, or (3) Forbid your kids to do it. From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 17 04:03:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A5A16A4B3 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 04:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tirion.argosnet.com (ANice-202-1-5-3.w80-15.abo.wanadoo.fr [80.15.167.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E53843F75 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 04:03:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from llevier@argosnet.com) Received: from osgiliath.argosnet.com (osgiliath [192.168.0.10]) by tirion.argosnet.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h8HB3WkU049145; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:03:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from llevier@argosnet.com) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20030917130158.01f342f8@pop.levier.org> X-Sender: llevier@pop.levier.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:03:32 +0200 To: Philip Paeps From: Laurent LEVIER In-Reply-To: <20030917105325.GB656@hermes.nixsys.be> References: <200309120710.h8C7AFsR051642@freefall.freebsd.org> <20030917105325.GB656@hermes.nixsys.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cc: qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: kern/47451: 5.0 GENERIC(sysinstall CD) locks during boot on Proliant ML530 X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:03:49 -0000 >Without ACPI worked here with a JPSNAP from 2003-08-31, and RELENG_5_1 >worked pretty well too. I am doomed :-/ But what is a JPSNAP, I am not familiar with this. >Perhaps something ACPI-related changed since 5.1-RELEASE? Possible, but from my understanding, RELENG_5_1 & 5-1-RELEASE are the same since 5.1 is officially released... @+ Laurent LEVIER IT Systems & Networks Security Expert From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 17 04:21:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3207B16A4B3 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 04:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gateway.nixsys.be (gateway.nixsys.be [195.144.77.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC04443F75 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 04:21:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from philip@nixsys.be) Received: from hermes.nixsys.be (hermes.nixsys.be [195.144.77.45]) by gateway.nixsys.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E329C159 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:21:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: by hermes.nixsys.be (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7328B6E; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:21:40 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:21:40 +0200 From: Philip Paeps To: Laurent LEVIER Message-ID: <20030917112139.GC656@hermes.nixsys.be> Mail-Followup-To: Laurent LEVIER , qa@FreeBSD.org References: <200309120710.h8C7AFsR051642@freefall.freebsd.org> <20030917105325.GB656@hermes.nixsys.be> <6.0.0.22.2.20030917130158.01f342f8@pop.levier.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20030917130158.01f342f8@pop.levier.org> X-Date-in-Rome: ante diem XV Kalendas Octobres MMDCCLVI ab Urbe Condida X-PGP-Fingerprint: FA74 3C27 91A6 79D5 F6D3 FC53 BF4B D0E6 049D B879 X-Message-Flag: Get a proper mailclient! Mutt: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: kern/47451: 5.0 GENERIC(sysinstall CD) locks during boot on Proliant ML530 X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:21:43 -0000 On 2003-09-17 13:03:32 (+0200), Laurent LEVIER wrote: > > Without ACPI worked here with a JPSNAP from 2003-08-31, and RELENG_5_1 > > worked pretty well too. > > I am doomed :-/ Not yet :-) > But what is a JPSNAP, I am not familiar with this. JPSNAPs are builds you can find on , basically 'snapshots' of different branches. I managed to boot and install a current jpsnap, and then installed sources from RELENG_5_1, which worked fine. > > Perhaps something ACPI-related changed since 5.1-RELEASE? > > Possible, but from my understanding, RELENG_5_1 & 5-1-RELEASE are the same > since 5.1 is officially released... The RELENG_5_1 branch contains some updates to 5.1-RELEASE. Cheers, - Philip -- Philip Paeps philip@paeps.cx +32 486 114 720 From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 18 12:34:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C7416A4BF; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B1D43FDF; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:34:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost ([192.168.0.5]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h8IJYhvd019982; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:34:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:29:42 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <20030918152942.5c7163df.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.3claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Mail selection options in sysinstall(8). X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tom Rhodes List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:34:46 -0000 Greetings, This is just a quick note that the MTA installation options in sysinstall(8) has changed. Users now have the option of choosing between Sendmail, Postfix, and Exim. Due to legal issues, qmail was not added to the selection. Sorry. -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 18 14:44:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C906B16A4BF for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cultdeadsheep.org (charon.cultdeadsheep.org [80.65.226.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF2FD43FE0 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:44:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheepkiller@cultdeadsheep.org) Received: (qmail 42292 invoked by uid 85); 18 Sep 2003 23:44:44 +0200 Received: from sheepkiller@cultdeadsheep.org by goofy.cultdeadsheep.org by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.20rc2 ( Clear:RC:1:. Processed in 0.044025 secs); 18 Sep 2003 21:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lucifer.cultdeadsheep.org) (sheepkiller@cultdeadsheep.org@192.168.0.2) by goofy.cultdeadsheep.org with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 23:44:44 +0200 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:44:42 +0200 From: Clement Laforet To: Tom Rhodes Message-Id: <20030918234442.51921f77.sheepkiller@cultdeadsheep.org> In-Reply-To: <20030918152942.5c7163df.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> References: <20030918152942.5c7163df.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Organization: tH3 cUlt 0f tH3 d3@d sH33p X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) X-Face: ._cVVRDn#-2((lnfi^P7CoD4htI$4+#G/G)!w|,}H5yK~%(3-C.JlEYbOjJGFwJkt*7N^%z jYeu[;}]}F"3}l5R'l"X0HbvT^D\Q&%deCo)MayY`);TO Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Mail selection options in sysinstall(8). X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:44:48 -0000 On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:29:42 -0400 Tom Rhodes wrote: Hi Tom ! > This is just a quick note that the MTA installation options in > sysinstall(8) has changed. Users now have the option of choosing > between Sendmail, Postfix, and Exim. > > Due to legal issues, qmail was not added to the selection. Sorry. Do you think it could be a good idea to add "simple" SMTP systems like ssmtp or any local delivery /usr/sbin/sendmail clone ? Most of system act as standalone machine or satellite one (i.e. machine uses a smtp server on the LAN), and using a full features MTA is, for me, a little bit useless. regards, clem From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 18 14:58:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA52716A4B3 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tenebras.com (blade.tenebras.com [66.92.188.175]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 377F443FCB for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:58:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: (qmail 86228 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 21:58:17 -0000 Received: from sapphire.tenebras.com (HELO tenebras.com) (192.168.188.241) by laptop.tenebras.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 21:58:16 -0000 Message-ID: <3F6A2A72.90405@tenebras.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:58:10 -0700 From: Michael Sierchio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, zh-tw, zh-cn, fr, en, de-de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Rhodes References: <20030918152942.5c7163df.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20030918152942.5c7163df.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Mail selection options in sysinstall(8). X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:58:19 -0000 Tom Rhodes wrote: > Due to legal issues, qmail was not added to the selection. Sorry. What legal issues? It seems entirely possible to produce a license-compliant var-qmail package for FreeBSD. It would be nice to offer it as the default MTA. From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 18 15:13:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30BE16A4B3; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arthur.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD85943FB1; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:13:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@arthur.nitro.dk) Received: by arthur.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 806FC10BFAA; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:13:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:13:20 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Clement Laforet Message-ID: <20030918221319.GD1558@FreeBSD.org> References: <20030918152942.5c7163df.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030918234442.51921f77.sheepkiller@cultdeadsheep.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mR8QP4gmHujQHb1c" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030918234442.51921f77.sheepkiller@cultdeadsheep.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: Tom Rhodes cc: FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Mail selection options in sysinstall(8). X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:13:22 -0000 --mR8QP4gmHujQHb1c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2003.09.18 23:44:42 +0200, Clement Laforet wrote: > On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:29:42 -0400 > Tom Rhodes wrote: >=20 > Hi Tom !=20 >=20 > > This is just a quick note that the MTA installation options in > > sysinstall(8) has changed. Users now have the option of choosing > > between Sendmail, Postfix, and Exim. > >=20 > > Due to legal issues, qmail was not added to the selection. Sorry. >=20 > Do you think it could be a good idea to add "simple" SMTP systems like > ssmtp or any local delivery /usr/sbin/sendmail clone ? Most of system > act as standalone machine or satellite one (i.e. machine uses a smtp > server on the LAN), and using a full features MTA is, for me, a little > bit useless. Sounds like a good idea. Postfix and Exim were mainly chosen because we knew them, but the code was written with the intention to support more MTA's. To add an extra MTA to sysinstall requires that there is a package available, and we need to know if there is any extra steps are needed to make it "just work" out of the box. If you can supply this information I can rather quickly make a patch to add another MTA to sysinstall. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen FreeBSD Documentation Team --mR8QP4gmHujQHb1c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/ai3/h9pcDSc1mlERAgkpAJ9MHLTnwIjvnYU7kWdNPr90+eJ2RQCgmz8O sUMokHG6PZFrP//ypq11kc4= =hXiU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mR8QP4gmHujQHb1c-- From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 18 18:20:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0895D16A4B3; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6CA43FAF; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:20:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (bay6-86.fyi.net [206.80.154.86]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h8J1KXvd020612; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:20:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:15:31 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: Michael Sierchio Message-Id: <20030918211531.293e916a.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <3F6A2A72.90405@tenebras.com> References: <20030918152942.5c7163df.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <3F6A2A72.90405@tenebras.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.3claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Mail selection options in sysinstall(8). X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 01:20:38 -0000 On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:58:10 -0700 Michael Sierchio wrote: > Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > Due to legal issues, qmail was not added to the selection. Sorry. > > What legal issues? It seems entirely possible to produce a license-compliant > var-qmail package for FreeBSD. It would be nice to offer it as the default > MTA. > I was told that the version which exists in our ports collection cannot be packaged. When I tested that theory: # make package ===> qmail-1.03_1 may not be packaged: djb\'s packaging license does not allow non-standard qmail binary distributions. I personally lack the time to 'produce a license compliant var-qmail package'. -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 19 00:45:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3489516A4B3; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.broadpark.no (mail.broadpark.no [217.13.4.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B26743FBD; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:45:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (37.80-203-228.nextgentel.com [80.203.228.37]) by mail.broadpark.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CED7788D3; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:45:48 +0200 (MEST) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 0F1BC99B49; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:45:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dwp.des.no (dwp.des.no [10.0.0.4]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 02FA899B42; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:45:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id BE44AB84A; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:45:43 +0200 (CEST) To: Michael Sierchio References: <20030918152942.5c7163df.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <3F6A2A72.90405@tenebras.com> From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:45:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: <3F6A2A72.90405@tenebras.com> (Michael Sierchio's message of "Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:58:10 -0700") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=8.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_GNUS_UA version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: Tom Rhodes cc: FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Mail selection options in sysinstall(8). X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:45:50 -0000 Michael Sierchio writes: > What legal issues? It seems entirely possible to produce a license-compl= iant > var-qmail package for FreeBSD. It would be nice to offer it as the defau= lt > MTA. No, because QMail needs patches to run correctly on FreeBSD (in fact, it requires patches to run correctly on *any* system, because DJB doesn't want to lose face by admitting that QMail contains bugs, and therefore hasn't updated the official distribution since mid-1998). DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 19 04:30:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED3F516A4BF; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.firstcallgroup.co.uk (dilbert.firstcallgroup.co.uk [194.200.93.142]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A9643FCB; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:30:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfrench@firstcallgroup.co.uk) Received: from pfrench by mailhost.firstcallgroup.co.uk with local (Exim 4.12) id 1A0JSc-0004Ac-00; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:30:02 +0100 To: FreeBSD-qa@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <20030918234442.51921f77.sheepkiller@cultdeadsheep.org> Message-Id: From: Pete French Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:30:02 +0100 Subject: Re: Mail selection options in sysinstall(8). X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:30:05 -0000 > This is just a quick note that the MTA installation options in > sysinstall(8) has changed. Users now have the option of choosing > between Sendmail, Postfix, and Exim. Sounds good - how is this going to work with mergemaster by the way ? Is it always going to complain about mailwrapper and invite the user to switch back to sendmail, or will it recognise that exim (or whatever) was installed originally ? -pcf. From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 19 04:39:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D645F16A4BF for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anduin.net (anduin.net [212.12.46.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5BEB043FE1 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:39:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ltning@anduin.net) Received: (qmail 79020 invoked by uid 85); 19 Sep 2003 11:39:02 -0000 Received: from ltning@anduin.net by anduin.net by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.20rc1 (clamscan: 0.60. Clear:RC:1:. Processed in 0.021988 secs); 19 Sep 2003 11:39:02 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: ltning@anduin.net via anduin.net X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.20rc1 (Clear:RC:1:. Processed in 0.021988 secs) Received: from celduin.net (HELO anduin.net) (81.0.162.106) by anduin.net with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 11:39:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:39:00 +0200 From: Eirik Oeverby To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030919133900.451a3f5d.ltning@anduin.net> In-Reply-To: <20030918221319.GD1558@FreeBSD.org> References: <20030918152942.5c7163df.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030918234442.51921f77.sheepkiller@cultdeadsheep.org> <20030918221319.GD1558@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mail selection options in sysinstall(8). X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:39:06 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey, On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:13:20 +0200 "Simon L. Nielsen" wrote: > On 2003.09.18 23:44:42 +0200, Clement Laforet wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:29:42 -0400 > > Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > > Hi Tom ! > > > > > This is just a quick note that the MTA installation options in > > > sysinstall(8) has changed. Users now have the option of choosing > > > between Sendmail, Postfix, and Exim. > > > > > > Due to legal issues, qmail was not added to the selection. Sorry. > > > > Do you think it could be a good idea to add "simple" SMTP systems > > like ssmtp or any local delivery /usr/sbin/sendmail clone ? Most of > > system act as standalone machine or satellite one (i.e. machine uses > > a smtp server on the LAN), and using a full features MTA is, for me, > > a little bit useless. > > Sounds like a good idea. Postfix and Exim were mainly chosen because > we knew them, but the code was written with the intention to support > more MTA's. Great. The obvious choice would be qmail. Not sure if that one integrates/replaces sendmail cleanly though. > To add an extra MTA to sysinstall requires that there is a package > available, and we need to know if there is any extra steps are needed > to make it "just work" out of the box. If you can supply this > information I can rather quickly make a patch to add another MTA to > sysinstall. - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/auqndAvR8ct7fEcRApk3AJ9YQ+vtI8YxRn9DzPFfBzoIL29wMQCfXJMh Eq/deB+L+kyHc/G/qlOafFY= =SDB7 - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/aurUdAvR8ct7fEcRAhi4AJ9JAL/GWqsafX+B5WcHRFjZ/XZonwCdEzho Dpm242QRxXAbavu5oNhTgPA= =ZqfH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 19 04:55:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8568D16A4B3; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arthur.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9207A43FDF; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:55:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@arthur.nitro.dk) Received: by arthur.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CA31310BFAA; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:55:31 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:55:31 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Clement Laforet Message-ID: <20030919115529.GB386@FreeBSD.org> References: <20030918152942.5c7163df.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030918234442.51921f77.sheepkiller@cultdeadsheep.org> <20030918221319.GD1558@FreeBSD.org> <20030919003456.7745f63e.sheepkiller@cultdeadsheep.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jI8keyz6grp/JLjh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030919003456.7745f63e.sheepkiller@cultdeadsheep.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: trhodes@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Mail selection options in sysinstall(8). X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:55:34 -0000 --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2003.09.19 00:34:56 +0200, Clement Laforet wrote: > On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:13:20 +0200 > "Simon L. Nielsen" wrote: >=20 > > To add an extra MTA to sysinstall requires that there is a package > > available, and we need to know if there is any extra steps are needed > > to make it "just work" out of the box. If you can supply this > > information I can rather quickly make a patch to add another MTA to > > sysinstall. >=20 > I mainly use ssmtp and i can tell you that the package uses correctly > mailwrapper, except for -bd options, but I can make a patch to silently > ignore this, since ssmtp is not a daemon. > If you like the idea, I can check all packages and provide sysinstall > patch. I think it would be great with another alternative. I saw that the ssmtp package is very small, so that shouldn't be a problem to fit it on disc1. I'm not sure if it's a problem that it doesn't support -bd, I actually don't think so. If you can provide a patch for sysinstall it is of course even better :-). If you have any questions about how to implement it, it's probably better to do it off list. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen FreeBSD Documentation Team --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/au6xh9pcDSc1mlERAgVqAJ4ygfkWsIqzH9kJFnEakvEpFsk0qQCfWqus TdRKMViILOm9n59H0ceV/TE= =2AaU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh-- From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 19 05:05:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E866816A4B3; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 05:05:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arthur.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F33A43FF3; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 05:05:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@arthur.nitro.dk) Received: by arthur.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1B62A10BFAA; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:05:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:05:36 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Pete French Message-ID: <20030919120535.GC386@FreeBSD.org> References: <20030918234442.51921f77.sheepkiller@cultdeadsheep.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Mail selection options in sysinstall(8). X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:05:39 -0000 --ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2003.09.19 12:30:02 +0100, Pete French wrote: > > This is just a quick note that the MTA installation options in > > sysinstall(8) has changed. Users now have the option of choosing > > between Sendmail, Postfix, and Exim. >=20 > Sounds good - how is this going to work with mergemaster by the way ? Is = it > always going to complain about mailwrapper and invite the user to > switch back to sendmail, or will it recognise that exim (or whatever) was > installed originally ? It's going to "complain", a little anyway, in the same way as it would do if you had installed the MTA manually as a port/package, and set the appropriate options to make it work (mainly mailer.conf, periodic.conf and newsyslog). I don't think it is possible (with the way mergemaster is supposed to work) to teach it about this kind of changes. You could probably make a pre compare script, and use that on your systems, but I havn't tried to do that. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen FreeBSD Documentation Team --ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/avEPh9pcDSc1mlERAgt8AKCSIeCT0a5OiKzf6BKVvlffQK5CGACfVKx9 Aa9e2wRQ2YIP7w7zRI3DiB0= =WkW9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6-- From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 19 05:10:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A7716A4B3; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 05:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arthur.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14FB543FF2; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 05:10:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@arthur.nitro.dk) Received: by arthur.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 53CD110BFAA; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:10:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:10:15 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Eirik Oeverby Message-ID: <20030919121014.GD386@FreeBSD.org> References: <20030918152942.5c7163df.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030918234442.51921f77.sheepkiller@cultdeadsheep.org> <20030918221319.GD1558@FreeBSD.org> <20030919133900.451a3f5d.ltning@anduin.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xo44VMWPx7vlQ2+2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030919133900.451a3f5d.ltning@anduin.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mail selection options in sysinstall(8). X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:10:17 -0000 --xo44VMWPx7vlQ2+2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2003.09.19 13:39:00 +0200, Eirik Oeverby wrote: > On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:13:20 +0200 > "Simon L. Nielsen" wrote: >=20 > > Sounds like a good idea. Postfix and Exim were mainly chosen because > > we knew them, but the code was written with the intention to support > > more MTA's. >=20 > Great. The obvious choice would be qmail. Not sure if that one > integrates/replaces sendmail cleanly though.=20 As mentioned by Tom's original mail that isn't possible due to the qmail license. You can go bug djb about it :-) (though I doubt it will change anything). Note, the license is the reason why qmail isn't included, it's not a crusade against qmail - I also use qmail myself some places. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen FreeBSD Documentation Team --xo44VMWPx7vlQ2+2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/avImh9pcDSc1mlERAv0zAJ4o3pShm1X4iwpsssAhj32jvYNYAgCeOm3z NpfKDf495qpv1/Ywi1v8QWY= =S4xB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xo44VMWPx7vlQ2+2-- From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 19 07:48:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F9B16A4C2 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tenebras.com (blade.tenebras.com [66.92.188.175]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7996343FE5 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:48:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: (qmail 98707 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 14:48:03 -0000 Received: from sapphire.tenebras.com (HELO tenebras.com) (192.168.188.241) by laptop.tenebras.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 14:48:03 -0000 Message-ID: <3F6B1722.7000701@tenebras.com> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:48:02 -0700 From: Michael Sierchio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, zh-tw, zh-cn, fr, en, de-de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20030918152942.5c7163df.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030918234442.51921f77.sheepkiller@cultdeadsheep.org> <20030918221319.GD1558@FreeBSD.org> <20030919133900.451a3f5d.ltning@anduin.net> <20030919121014.GD386@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20030919121014.GD386@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mail selection options in sysinstall(8). X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:48:07 -0000 Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > As mentioned by Tom's original mail that isn't possible due to the qmail > license. You can go bug djb about it :-) (though I doubt it will change > anything). > > Note, the license is the reason why qmail isn't included, it's not a > crusade against qmail - I also use qmail myself some places. Note: in my view the problem is that the current port maintainer has decided to produce an install that is not conformant with Dan's license granting an exception to the requirement for his approval. It is entirely possible to make a binary package that either: meets with his approval, or; fulfills the requirements for the exemption. I've contacted him directly on the matter. If you like, I'll put together binary packages for RELEASE_4.8, RELEASE_4.9, RELEASE_5.1, and RELEASE_5.2. From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 19 10:45:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50CD516A4B3; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from perilith.com (perilith.com [207.198.250.232]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E1943FE5; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:45:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aard@perilith.com) Received: by perilith.com (Postfix, from userid 1050) id 0DF9F1203CAAB; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:45:25 -0400 From: a clever sheep To: "Simon L. Nielsen" Message-ID: <20030919174524.GA4823@perilith.com> References: <20030918234442.51921f77.sheepkiller@cultdeadsheep.org> <20030919120535.GC386@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030919120535.GC386@FreeBSD.org> Precedence: special-delivery User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: Pete French cc: FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Mail selection options in sysinstall(8). X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:45:28 -0000 On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 02:05:36PM +0200, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > > I don't think it is possible (with the way mergemaster is supposed to > work) to teach it about this kind of changes. You could probably make a > pre compare script, and use that on your systems, but I havn't tried to > do that. would it be possible to add an option to mergemaster (similar to IGNORE_MOTD) to make it ignore the pertinent mail files? -- aard@perilith.com From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 19 10:49:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E976516A4B3; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (defout.telus.net [199.185.220.240]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 632FD43F3F; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:49:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cpressey@catseye.mine.nu) Received: from kallisti.ca ([207.81.23.108]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.netSMTP <20030919174927.PNMS13702.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@kallisti.ca>; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:49:27 -0600 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:51:44 -0700 From: Chris Pressey To: Michael Sierchio Message-Id: <20030919105144.730068ac.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> In-Reply-To: <3F6B1722.7000701@tenebras.com> References: <20030918152942.5c7163df.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030918234442.51921f77.sheepkiller@cultdeadsheep.org> <20030918221319.GD1558@FreeBSD.org> <20030919133900.451a3f5d.ltning@anduin.net> <20030919121014.GD386@FreeBSD.org> <3F6B1722.7000701@tenebras.com> Organization: Cat's Eye Technologies X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mail selection options in sysinstall(8). X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:49:31 -0000 On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:48:02 -0700 Michael Sierchio wrote: > Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > > > As mentioned by Tom's original mail that isn't possible due to the > > qmail license. You can go bug djb about it :-) (though I doubt it > > will change anything). > > > > Note, the license is the reason why qmail isn't included, it's not a > > crusade against qmail - I also use qmail myself some places. > > Note: in my view the problem is that the current port maintainer > has decided to produce an install that is not conformant with > Dan's license granting an exception to the requirement for his > approval. It is entirely possible to make a binary package that > either: meets with his approval, or; fulfills the requirements > for the exemption. I quite agree. Quoting http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html : "You are permitted to distribute a precompiled var-qmail package if (1) installing the package produces exactly the same /var/qmail hierarchy as a user would obtain by downloading, compiling, and installing qmail-1.03.tar.gz, fastforward-0.51.tar.gz, and dot-forward-0.71.tar.gz; (2) the package behaves correctly, i.e., the same way as normal qmail+fastforward+dot-forward installations on all other systems; and (3) the package's creator warrants that he has made a good-faith attempt to ensure that the package behaves correctly." Frankly I'd be surprised if a package built straight from the qmail port didn't meet these requirements. -Chris From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 19 10:54:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C973516A4B3; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shaft.techsupport.co.uk (shaft.techsupport.co.uk [212.250.77.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B106843FE0; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:54:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from pc3-cdif2-5-cust222.cdif.cable.ntl.com ([81.101.152.222] helo=shrike.submonkey.net ident=mailnull) by shaft.techsupport.co.uk with esmtp (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.22) id 1A0PS4-0000UU-7Y; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:53:52 +0100 Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.22) id 1A0PS1-000G2d-A5; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:53:49 +0100 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:53:49 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Chris Pressey Message-ID: <20030919175349.GB60318@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Chris Pressey , Michael Sierchio , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-qa@freebsd.org References: <20030918152942.5c7163df.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030918234442.51921f77.sheepkiller@cultdeadsheep.org> <20030918221319.GD1558@FreeBSD.org> <20030919133900.451a3f5d.ltning@anduin.net> <20030919121014.GD386@FreeBSD.org> <3F6B1722.7000701@tenebras.com> <20030919105144.730068ac.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="98e8jtXdkpgskNou" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030919105144.730068ac.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: Michael Sierchio cc: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mail selection options in sysinstall(8). X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:54:02 -0000 --98e8jtXdkpgskNou Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 10:51:44AM -0700, Chris Pressey wrote: > On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:48:02 -0700 > Michael Sierchio wrote: >=20 > > Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > >=20 > > > As mentioned by Tom's original mail that isn't possible due to the > > > qmail license. You can go bug djb about it :-) (though I doubt it > > > will change anything). > > >=20 > > > Note, the license is the reason why qmail isn't included, it's not a > > > crusade against qmail - I also use qmail myself some places. > >=20 > > Note: in my view the problem is that the current port maintainer > > has decided to produce an install that is not conformant with > > Dan's license granting an exception to the requirement for his > > approval. It is entirely possible to make a binary package that > > either: meets with his approval, or; fulfills the requirements > > for the exemption. >=20 > I quite agree. Quoting http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html : >=20 > "You are permitted to distribute a precompiled var-qmail package if (1) > installing the package produces exactly the same /var/qmail hierarchy as > a user would obtain by downloading, compiling, and installing > qmail-1.03.tar.gz, fastforward-0.51.tar.gz, and dot-forward-0.71.tar.gz; > (2) the package behaves correctly, i.e., the same way as normal > qmail+fastforward+dot-forward installations on all other systems; and > (3) the package's creator warrants that he has made a good-faith attempt > to ensure that the package behaves correctly." >=20 > Frankly I'd be surprised if a package built straight from the qmail port > didn't meet these requirements. If I installed a package that put itself in /var simply because the guy who wrote it says that's where it should be (on my system!), then I wouldn't be best pleased. Enough said. Ceri --=20 User: DO YOU ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR? Iniaes: Sure, I can accept all forms of payment. -- www.chatterboxchallenge.com --98e8jtXdkpgskNou Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/a0KtocfcwTS3JF8RAuW5AKCT2XL4I41ZnIYcd1cCG8NJqDRS0ACfUyT4 1xoRfKrSuuDEk1sFi8hibIY= =SIkb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --98e8jtXdkpgskNou-- From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 19 11:04:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A8516A4B3; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (defout.telus.net [199.185.220.240]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE78943FBF; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:04:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cpressey@catseye.mine.nu) Received: from kallisti.ca ([207.81.23.108]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.netSMTP <20030919180421.PPEM6747.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@kallisti.ca>; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:04:21 -0600 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:06:38 -0700 From: Chris Pressey To: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Message-Id: <20030919110638.5c282e06.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> In-Reply-To: References: <20030918152942.5c7163df.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <3F6A2A72.90405@tenebras.com> Organization: Cat's Eye Technologies X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: trhodes@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.org cc: kudzu@tenebras.com cc: FreeBSD-qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Mail selection options in sysinstall(8). X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:04:22 -0000 On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:45:43 +0200 des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav) wrote: > Michael Sierchio writes: > > What legal issues? It seems entirely possible to produce a > > license-compliant var-qmail package for FreeBSD. It would be nice > > to offer it as the default MTA. >=20 > No, because QMail needs patches to run correctly on FreeBSD (in fact, > it requires patches to run correctly on *any* system, because DJB > doesn't want to lose face by admitting that QMail contains bugs, and > therefore hasn't updated the official distribution since mid-1998). Could you elaborate on that? Unless I'm mistaken, the only patches in /usr/ports/qmail/files are patches needed for qmail to *install* correctly - and all the WITH_*_PATCH options refer to optional patches. If I'm missing a patch for correct behaviour I'd like to get my mitts on it ASAP :) -Chris From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 19 11:12:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909A216A4B3; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.net (outbound02.telus.net [199.185.220.221]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AFB743FF9; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:12:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cpressey@catseye.mine.nu) Received: from kallisti.ca ([207.81.23.108]) by priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.netSMTP <20030919181220.QPWQ21920.priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.net@kallisti.ca>; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:12:20 -0600 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:14:38 -0700 From: Chris Pressey To: Ceri Davies Message-Id: <20030919111438.5025ea0c.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> In-Reply-To: <20030919175349.GB60318@submonkey.net> References: <20030918152942.5c7163df.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20030918234442.51921f77.sheepkiller@cultdeadsheep.org> <20030918221319.GD1558@FreeBSD.org> <20030919133900.451a3f5d.ltning@anduin.net> <20030919121014.GD386@FreeBSD.org> <3F6B1722.7000701@tenebras.com> <20030919105144.730068ac.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> <20030919175349.GB60318@submonkey.net> Organization: Cat's Eye Technologies X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mail selection options in sysinstall(8). X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:12:22 -0000 On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:53:49 +0100 Ceri Davies wrote: > On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 10:51:44AM -0700, Chris Pressey wrote: > > On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:48:02 -0700 > > Michael Sierchio wrote: > > > > > Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > > > > > > > As mentioned by Tom's original mail that isn't possible due to > > > > the qmail license. You can go bug djb about it :-) (though I > > > > doubt it will change anything). > > > > > > > > Note, the license is the reason why qmail isn't included, it's > > > > not a crusade against qmail - I also use qmail myself some > > > > places. > > > > > > Note: in my view the problem is that the current port maintainer > > > has decided to produce an install that is not conformant with > > > Dan's license granting an exception to the requirement for his > > > approval. It is entirely possible to make a binary package that > > > either: meets with his approval, or; fulfills the requirements > > > for the exemption. > > > > I quite agree. Quoting http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html : > > > > "You are permitted to distribute a precompiled var-qmail package if > > (1) installing the package produces exactly the same /var/qmail > > hierarchy as a user would obtain by downloading, compiling, and > > installing qmail-1.03.tar.gz, fastforward-0.51.tar.gz, and > > dot-forward-0.71.tar.gz;(2) the package behaves correctly, i.e., the > > same way as normal qmail+fastforward+dot-forward installations on > > all other systems; and(3) the package's creator warrants that he has > > made a good-faith attempt to ensure that the package behaves > > correctly." > > > > Frankly I'd be surprised if a package built straight from the qmail > > port didn't meet these requirements. > > If I installed a package that put itself in /var simply because the > guy who wrote it says that's where it should be (on my system!), then > I wouldn't be best pleased. Enough said. But that's not an argument for denying it to other users, who quite possibly agree that it should go into /var, or who simply don't care overmuch where it goes. -Chris From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 19 11:21:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48BB116A4B3; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.broadpark.no (mail.broadpark.no [217.13.4.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225224400B; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:21:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (37.80-203-228.nextgentel.com [80.203.228.37]) by mail.broadpark.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768837859F; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:21:04 +0200 (MEST) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 3B7039A006; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:21:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dwp.des.no (dwp.des.no [10.0.0.4]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 6F57C99FE1; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:20:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 2366DB84A; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:20:57 +0200 (CEST) To: Chris Pressey References: <20030918152942.5c7163df.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <3F6A2A72.90405@tenebras.com> <20030919110638.5c282e06.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:20:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20030919110638.5c282e06.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> (Chris Pressey's message of "Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:06:38 -0700") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=8.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_GNUS_UA version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: trhodes@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.org cc: kudzu@tenebras.com cc: FreeBSD-qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Mail selection options in sysinstall(8). X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:21:07 -0000 Chris Pressey writes: > des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav) wrote: > > No, because QMail needs patches to run correctly on FreeBSD (in fact, > > it requires patches to run correctly on *any* system, because DJB > > doesn't want to lose face by admitting that QMail contains bugs, and > > therefore hasn't updated the official distribution since mid-1998). > Could you elaborate on that? Unless I'm mistaken, the only patches in > /usr/ports/qmail/files are patches needed for qmail to *install* > correctly - and all the WITH_*_PATCH options refer to optional patches. Performance under high load will be abysmal if you leave out the bigqueue patches, and you may also want to increase the hash size. The latter is problematic because qmail built with one hash size can't operate on a queue generated by qmail built with a different hash size, so you need to be very careful when upgrading. I don't believe the port allows you to change the hash size, though... DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 19 11:32:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA20716A4B3 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail14.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C909C43FFB for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:32:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 29276 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 18:32:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender )encrypted SMTP for ; 19 Sep 2003 18:32:01 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8JIVW6Y094325; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:31:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.4 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20030919111438.5025ea0c.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:31:35 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Chris Pressey X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mail selection options in sysinstall(8). X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:32:12 -0000 On 19-Sep-2003 Chris Pressey wrote: > On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:53:49 +0100 > Ceri Davies wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 10:51:44AM -0700, Chris Pressey wrote: >> > On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:48:02 -0700 >> > Michael Sierchio wrote: >> > >> > > Simon L. Nielsen wrote: >> > > >> > > > As mentioned by Tom's original mail that isn't possible due to >> > > > the qmail license. You can go bug djb about it :-) (though I >> > > > doubt it will change anything). >> > > > >> > > > Note, the license is the reason why qmail isn't included, it's >> > > > not a crusade against qmail - I also use qmail myself some >> > > > places. >> > > >> > > Note: in my view the problem is that the current port maintainer >> > > has decided to produce an install that is not conformant with >> > > Dan's license granting an exception to the requirement for his >> > > approval. It is entirely possible to make a binary package that >> > > either: meets with his approval, or; fulfills the requirements >> > > for the exemption. >> > >> > I quite agree. Quoting http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html : >> > >> > "You are permitted to distribute a precompiled var-qmail package if >> > (1) installing the package produces exactly the same /var/qmail >> > hierarchy as a user would obtain by downloading, compiling, and >> > installing qmail-1.03.tar.gz, fastforward-0.51.tar.gz, and >> > dot-forward-0.71.tar.gz;(2) the package behaves correctly, i.e., the >> > same way as normal qmail+fastforward+dot-forward installations on >> > all other systems; and(3) the package's creator warrants that he has >> > made a good-faith attempt to ensure that the package behaves >> > correctly." >> > >> > Frankly I'd be surprised if a package built straight from the qmail >> > port didn't meet these requirements. >> >> If I installed a package that put itself in /var simply because the >> guy who wrote it says that's where it should be (on my system!), then >> I wouldn't be best pleased. Enough said. > > But that's not an argument for denying it to other users, who quite > possibly agree that it should go into /var, or who simply don't care > overmuch where it goes. Most FreeBSD packages do allow you to use an arbitray prefix. See pkg_add(8) for more info. The debate seems to be that djb@ doesn't want any precompiled packages to have that flexibility for whatever reason. If djb@ doesn't want qmail to be widely deployed then thats his problem I guess. :) -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 19 12:02:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D2E16A4BF for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from updegrove.net (12-246-251-12.client.attbi.com [12.246.251.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D9B343FF2 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:02:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsdstable@updegrove.net) Received: (qmail 92298 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 19:02:32 -0000 Received: from adsl-64-166-46-11.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net (HELO updegrove.net) (64.166.46.11) by updegrove.net with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 19:02:32 -0000 Message-ID: <3F6B5340.30601@updegrove.net> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:04:32 -0700 From: Rick Updegrove User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.org References: <20030918152942.5c7163df.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20030918152942.5c7163df.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Mail selection options in sysinstall(8). X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:02:20 -0000 Tom Rhodes wrote: >Greetings, > >This is just a quick note that the MTA installation options in >sysinstall(8) has changed. Users now have the option of choosing >between Sendmail, Postfix, and Exim. > >Due to legal issues, qmail was not added to the selection. Sorry. > > > Could you please elaborate on these "legal issues"? http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html says If you want to distribute modified versions of qmail (including ports, no matter how minor the changes are) you'll have to get my approval. This does not mean approval of your distribution method, your intentions, your e-mail address, your haircut, or any other irrelevant information. It means a detailed review of the exact package that you want to distribute. Exception: You are permitted to distribute a precompiled var-qmail package if (1) installing the package produces /exactly/ the same /var/qmail hierarchy as a user would obtain by downloading, compiling, and installing qmail-1.03.tar.gz, fastforward-0.51.tar.gz, and dot-forward-0.71.tar.gz; (2) the package behaves correctly, i.e., the same way as normal qmail+fastforward+dot-forward installations on all other systems; and (3) the package's creator warrants that he has made a good-faith attempt to ensure that the package behaves correctly. It is not acceptable <../compatibility.html> to have qmail working differently on different machines; any variation is a bug. If there's something about a system (compiler, libraries, kernel, hardware, whatever) that changes qmail's behavior, then that platform is /not/ supported, and you are /not/ permitted to distribute binaries. From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 19 12:04:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A7516A4B3 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from updegrove.net (12-246-251-12.client.attbi.com [12.246.251.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A068B43FEC for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:04:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsdstable@updegrove.net) Received: (qmail 92353 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 19:05:03 -0000 Received: from adsl-64-166-46-11.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net (HELO updegrove.net) (64.166.46.11) by updegrove.net with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 19:05:03 -0000 Message-ID: <3F6B53D7.7010505@updegrove.net> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:07:03 -0700 From: Rick Updegrove User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mail selection options in sysinstall(8). X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:04:52 -0000 John Baldwin wrote: >Most FreeBSD packages do allow you to use an arbitray prefix. See >pkg_add(8) for more info. The debate seems to be that djb@ doesn't >want any precompiled packages to have that flexibility for whatever >reason. If anyone is interested in the "whatever" see http://cr.yp.to/compatibility.html From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 19 12:13:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54CB16A4BF; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:13:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (defout.telus.net [199.185.220.240]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9955B43FE3; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:13:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cpressey@catseye.mine.nu) Received: from kallisti.ca ([207.81.23.108]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.netSMTP <20030919191355.RDCQ13702.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@kallisti.ca>; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:13:55 -0600 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:16:12 -0700 From: Chris Pressey To: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Message-Id: <20030919121612.4a31c1ae.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> In-Reply-To: References: <20030918152942.5c7163df.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <3F6A2A72.90405@tenebras.com> <20030919110638.5c282e06.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> Organization: Cat's Eye Technologies X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: trhodes@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Mail selection options in sysinstall(8). X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:13:56 -0000 On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:20:56 +0200 des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav) wrote: > Chris Pressey writes: > > des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav) wrote: > > > No, because QMail needs patches to run correctly on FreeBSD (in > > > fact, it requires patches to run correctly on *any* system, > > > because DJB doesn't want to lose face by admitting that QMail > > > contains bugs, and therefore hasn't updated the official > > > distribution since mid-1998). > > Could you elaborate on that? Unless I'm mistaken, the only patches > > in/usr/ports/qmail/files are patches needed for qmail to *install* > > correctly - and all the WITH_*_PATCH options refer to optional > > patches. >=20 > Performance under high load will be abysmal if you leave out the > bigqueue patches, and you may also want to increase the hash size. > The latter is problematic because qmail built with one hash size can't > operate on a queue generated by qmail built with a different hash > size, so you need to be very careful when upgrading. I don't believe > the port allows you to change the hash size, though... That would be a nice touch. I still don't understand, though, is it a correctness issue, or a performance issue? My server is not under high load, and qmail sure seems to work correctly. Googling, the only plausible bug report I could find was that some OS'es interpret the IP address 0.0.0.0 to mean the local machine, and some disallow it as an illegal IP address. It seems that qmail's intention is that 0.0.0.0 is illegal (as it is on OpenBSD(?)) If that is not also the case for FreeBSD, that might mean a qmail binary distribution is out of the question (based on Dan's statement "If there's something about a system (compiler, libraries, kernel, hardware, whatever) that changes qmail's behavior, then that platform is /not/ supported, and you are /not/ permitted to distribute binaries.") -Chris From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 19 12:56:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EAAF16A4B3; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.broadpark.no (mail.broadpark.no [217.13.4.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A8443F3F; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:56:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (37.80-203-228.nextgentel.com [80.203.228.37]) by mail.broadpark.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69CB78EB0; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:55:50 +0200 (MEST) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 682F79A07D; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:55:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dwp.des.no (dwp.des.no [10.0.0.4]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 07F779A06A; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:55:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id D94EBB84A; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:55:45 +0200 (CEST) To: Chris Pressey References: <20030918152942.5c7163df.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <3F6A2A72.90405@tenebras.com> <20030919110638.5c282e06.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> <20030919121612.4a31c1ae.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:55:45 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20030919121612.4a31c1ae.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> (Chris Pressey's message of "Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:16:12 -0700") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=8.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_GNUS_UA version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: trhodes@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.org cc: FreeBSD-qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Mail selection options in sysinstall(8). X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:56:35 -0000 Chris Pressey writes: > des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav) wrote: > > Performance under high load will be abysmal if you leave out the > > bigqueue patches, and you may also want to increase the hash size. > > [...] > That would be a nice touch. I still don't understand, though, is it a > correctness issue, or a performance issue? My server is not under high > load, and qmail sure seems to work correctly. These are just performance issues (but serious ones; under high loads, qmail performance can sometimes get so bad that it enters a death spiral where everything it does just makes the problem worse; I've experienced this in the field). There may be some correctness issues as well; DJB is not known for letting the harsh realities of life get in the way of pedantic RFC compliance. There have been problems in the past with qmail being unable to cope with non-compliant DNS servers. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no