From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 0:14:40 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E68A37B401 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 00:14:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-relay.omnis.com (smtp-relay.omnis.com [216.239.128.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E12EE43EA9 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 00:14:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from [192.168.0.5] (dslpool2-019.networldnoc.net [209.63.227.179]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60BC42C1C for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 00:12:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: FreeBSD Stability From: Wes Peters To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20030104144157.GA485@laurel.tmseck.homedns.org> References: <200212170023.gBH0Nvlu000764@beast.csl.sri.com> <20030103000232.GA52181@blazingdot.com> <20030103062708.GA426@laurel.tmseck.homedns.org> <20030103084232.GA3371@localhost.bsd.net.il> <20030103154323.GA454@laurel.tmseck.homedns.org> <1041659893.9975.179.camel@zaphod.softweyr.com> <20030104144157.GA485@laurel.tmseck.homedns.org> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Softweyr LLC Message-Id: <1041729106.17746.145.camel@zaphod.softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 05 Jan 2003 01:11:46 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 2003-01-04 at 14:41, Thomas Seck wrote: > * Wes Peters (wes@softweyr.com): > > > On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 15:43, Thomas Seck wrote: > > > > * Nimrod Mesika (nimrod-me@bezeqint.net): > > > > > > > And uptimes are not important. Downtimes *are*. > > > > > > Yes. Especially the unscheduled ones. > > > > Don't be silly, uptimes are terribly important when they're not long > > enough to be useful. They're no longer important when they've gotten > > long enough to last between system upgrades, which FreeBSD and a number > > of other systems are regularly capable of these days. > > You are over interpreting my message. No, just taking it at face value. C'mon, look at the statement and admit it was absurd: "uptimes are not important." ;^) > Tell me: what is the maximum uptime one can achieve when following all > FreeBSD security advisories which involve loading a new kernel due to > locally or remotely exploitable kernel vulnerabilities? Shorter that the uptimes attainable with most recent 4.x releases, and longer than the uptimes attainable with 5.0 right now. Oh, you want numbers? OK, I'll take a wild stab at not more than 6-8 months, which is nowhere near the 1000+ days being reported by Netcraft, but it certainly non-zero as well. And yes, there are systems available now still not able to run for months at a time. > > I remember people being mightily impressed with VAX/VMS systems being > > able to stay up for 30 days at a time. I also more recently recall > > system administrators being very disappointed by Windows NT servers > > because they couldn't stay up for 6 days at a time and they had NO time > > in their schedule when the machines could be rebooted without disrupting > > workflow between 0400 Monday and 0400 Saturday. > > Well, I our NT servers did not BSOD on us for years now. What does this > say about NT stability? Right, nothing. The only downtimes we see here > are the scheduled ones. I want it to stay that way. > > Too many people try to squeeze advocacy out of every figure they see > somewhere. I don't. Too much motorcyle mentality. Ever ride a first generation Honda CBX? On paper, they looked great. 6 cylinders, more moving parts than a space shuttle, broad flat powerband. In reality, those extra two cylinders tended to cook your legs, it was top-heavy and unweildy, and the frame was far too flexible for the power of the bike. Good specs, lousy integration. -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 1:35:32 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1892537B401 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 01:35:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from vbook.express.ru (asplinux.ru [195.133.213.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D678A43EB2 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 01:35:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vova@sw.ru) Received: from vova by vbook.express.ru with local (Exim 4.10) id 18V7BU-0000Ga-00; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 12:35:08 +0300 Subject: Re: wi0 and mtu setting [bad idea] From: "Vladimir B. " Grebenschikov To: David Magda Cc: Evren Yurtesen , Sten Daniel S?rsdal , "Wright, Michaelx L" , fkittred@gwi.net, Michael Sierchio , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu In-Reply-To: <20030104154328.GA266@number6.magda.ca> References: <0AF1BBDF1218F14E9B4CCE414744E70F07DE29@exchange.wanglobal.net> <20030104154328.GA266@number6.magda.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Organization: TSB "Russian Express" Message-Id: <1041759307.844.4.camel@vbook.fbsd.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 05 Jan 2003 12:35:08 +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG =F7 Sat, 04.01.2003, =D7 18:43, David Magda =CE=C1=D0=C9=D3=C1=CC: > On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 02:41:38PM +0200, Evren Yurtesen wrote: > > I just dont understand why FreeBSD people have to make this wi driver s= o > > tight in standarts even though there are wireless cards which support > > non-standard(and sometimes nice) things which can be useful. I definete= ly > > disagree that something should be in standard so you will allow setting= of > > it! Another reason for jumbo frames on WiFi is support for 802.1q VLAN encapsulation on WiFi without fragmenting 1500 ip packets. I have some places where such feature is very useful. --=20 Vladimir B. Grebenschikov TSB "Russian Express" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 2:59:12 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F58A37B401 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 02:59:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercedes.e-lated.org (mercedes.e-lated.org [209.162.139.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C7643E4A for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 02:59:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danger@e-lated.org) Received: from mercedes.e-lated.org (danger@mercedes [209.162.139.84]) by mercedes.e-lated.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h05Ax3eo033168; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 02:59:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danger@e-lated.org) Received: from localhost (danger@localhost) by mercedes.e-lated.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h05Ax2hn033165; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 02:59:02 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: mercedes.e-lated.org: danger owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 02:59:01 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Seeman To: Wes Peters Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Stability In-Reply-To: <1041729106.17746.145.camel@zaphod.softweyr.com> Message-ID: <20030105025757.V33164-100000@mercedes.e-lated.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This string needs to die now. On 5 Jan 2003, Wes Peters wrote: > On Sat, 2003-01-04 at 14:41, Thomas Seck wrote: > > * Wes Peters (wes@softweyr.com): > > > > > On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 15:43, Thomas Seck wrote: > > > > > > * Nimrod Mesika (nimrod-me@bezeqint.net): > > > > > > > > > And uptimes are not important. Downtimes *are*. > > > > > > > > Yes. Especially the unscheduled ones. > > > > > > Don't be silly, uptimes are terribly important when they're not long > > > enough to be useful. They're no longer important when they've gotten > > > long enough to last between system upgrades, which FreeBSD and a number > > > of other systems are regularly capable of these days. > > > > You are over interpreting my message. > > No, just taking it at face value. C'mon, look at the statement and > admit it was absurd: "uptimes are not important." ;^) > > > Tell me: what is the maximum uptime one can achieve when following all > > FreeBSD security advisories which involve loading a new kernel due to > > locally or remotely exploitable kernel vulnerabilities? > > Shorter that the uptimes attainable with most recent 4.x releases, and > longer than the uptimes attainable with 5.0 right now. > > Oh, you want numbers? OK, I'll take a wild stab at not more than 6-8 > months, which is nowhere near the 1000+ days being reported by Netcraft, > but it certainly non-zero as well. And yes, there are systems available > now still not able to run for months at a time. > > > > I remember people being mightily impressed with VAX/VMS systems being > > > able to stay up for 30 days at a time. I also more recently recall > > > system administrators being very disappointed by Windows NT servers > > > because they couldn't stay up for 6 days at a time and they had NO time > > > in their schedule when the machines could be rebooted without disrupting > > > workflow between 0400 Monday and 0400 Saturday. > > > > Well, I our NT servers did not BSOD on us for years now. What does this > > say about NT stability? Right, nothing. The only downtimes we see here > > are the scheduled ones. I want it to stay that way. > > > > Too many people try to squeeze advocacy out of every figure they see > > somewhere. I don't. > > Too much motorcyle mentality. Ever ride a first generation Honda CBX? > On paper, they looked great. 6 cylinders, more moving parts than a > space shuttle, broad flat powerband. In reality, those extra two > cylinders tended to cook your legs, it was top-heavy and unweildy, and > the frame was far too flexible for the power of the bike. Good specs, > lousy integration. > > -- > > Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? > > Wes Peters wes@softweyr.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 5:10:37 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5532D37B401 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 05:10:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.radio-do.de (gatekeeper.Radio-do.de [193.101.164.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7155843EA9 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 05:10:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fn@radio-do.de) Received: by gatekeeper.radio-do.de (Postfix, from userid 2001) id 5C523285; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 14:10:33 +0100 (CET) To: "Stephen J. Roznowski" Cc: dschultz@uclink.Berkeley.EDU, nimrod-me@bezeqint.net, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Stability References: <200301042029.h04KTkVQ077682@pcp325887pcs.catonv01.md.comcast.net> From: Frank Nobis Date: 05 Jan 2003 14:10:33 +0100 In-Reply-To: <200301042029.h04KTkVQ077682@pcp325887pcs.catonv01.md.comcast.net> Message-ID: Lines: 23 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Stephen J. Roznowski" writes: > On 3 Jan, David Schultz wrote: > > > > What you want is to be able to take a core image of a process and > > restart it later. I forget the names of the programs that allow > > you to do this. Perhaps someone else can say what you need to > > google for. > > This would be "checkpointing". That is more a programing technique for long running programs. I think what David meant is "undump" The emacs use this to create an executable with many packages preloaded. Frank -- Reality is for those who can't face Science Fiction. (Source: /usr/games/fortune) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 5:31:36 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF7737B401 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 05:31:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from voi.aagh.net (pc2-hart3-5-cust71.midd.cable.ntl.com [81.99.55.71]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD7F43E4A for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 05:31:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom.hurst@clara.net) Received: from freaky by voi.aagh.net with local (Exim 4.10) id 18VAsC-000KZM-00 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 13:31:28 +0000 Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 13:31:27 +0000 From: Thomas Hurst To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Stability Message-ID: <20030105133127.GA73834@voi.aagh.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200301030117.H031HZS41668@asarian-host.net> <200212170023.gBH0Nvlu000764@beast.csl.sri.com> <20030103000232.GA52181@blazingdot.com> <200301030117.H031HZS41668@asarian-host.net> <3.0.5.32.20030104112023.012b8ee8@mail.sage-one.net> <20030104180739.GB607@number6.magda.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030104180739.GB607@number6.magda.ca> Organization: Not much. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * David Magda (dmagda+fstable@magda.ca) wrote: > For some people these things are important. I have no problem with > shutting down my machine every night. (Of course it's because it's in > my (small) bedroom, and I want to get some sleep. :> ) With ACPI and suspend to disk, you can turn off the system and get to keep your previous uptime (and everything else) when you next boot up :) I kept a WinXP box "up" for 3 weeks doing this, while turning it off every night. Quite nifty; 5 second boot times, and my system exactly how I left it the night before. Not terribly useful or desirable for a server though :) -- Thomas 'Freaky' Hurst - freaky@aagh.net - http://www.aagh.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 7:12: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FADE37B401 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 07:12:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from lakemtao03.cox.net (lakemtao03.cox.net [68.1.17.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F41A843EB2 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 07:12:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eqe@cox.net) Received: from anubis.rn.hr.cox.net ([68.10.48.18]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030105151205.GBXI26808.lakemtao03.cox.net@anubis.rn.hr.cox.net> for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 10:12:05 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Eriq Organization: Eq-E Networks To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: duel's in freebsd Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 10:12:35 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200301051012.35751.eqe@cox.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG which distro would be better 4.7 or 5.0 for duel cpu's. --=20 Sign, Eriq Lamar To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 8:17:33 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3387E37B401 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 08:17:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from web14511.mail.yahoo.com (web14511.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.29]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E47EF43EC2 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 08:17:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bloom064@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030105161728.87121.qmail@web14511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.211.141.205] by web14511.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 08:17:28 PST Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 08:17:28 -0800 (PST) From: Paolo M Subject: Re: wi0 and mtu setting [bad idea] To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG May be I am wrong but PPPoE is not incapsulated into an Ethernet frame, it should happen the contrary, a PPP frame incapsulated into an Ethernet frame, isn't it? - Paolo On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 05:25 PM, Evren Yurtesen wrote: I want to change MTU because I will use PPPoE on wireless interfaces So I need to set the MTU to 1508 so that 1500 byte ethernet frames can be encapsulated in the access point and sent to the client. 1500byte ethernet plus 8byte pppoe overhead makes a total of 1508 bytes MTU which I need. You showed what is the ifmtu default, but how does ifconfig decide what is the maximum MTU for this interface that a user can set? or it doesnt care about the interface and maximum that you can set is 1500? Evren On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, David Magda wrote: On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 02:41:38PM +0200, Evren Yurtesen wrote: I just dont understand why FreeBSD people have to make this wi driver so tight in standarts even though there are wireless cards which support non-standard(and sometimes nice) things which can be useful. I definetely disagree that something should be in standard so you will allow setting of it! The wi(4) driver is treated as an Ethernet device, so it inherits many of the characteristics of such devices. From /sys/dev/wi/if_wi.c: [...] ifp->if_softc = sc; ifp->if_unit = sc->wi_unit; ifp->if_name = "wi"; ifp->if_mtu = ETHERMTU; ifp->if_flags = IFF_BROADCAST | IFF_SIMPLEX | IFF_MULTICAST; ifp->if_ioctl = wi_ioctl; ifp->if_output = ether_output; ifp->if_start = wi_start; ifp->if_watchdog = wi_watchdog; ifp->if_init = wi_init; ifp->if_baudrate = 10000000; ifp->if_snd.ifq_maxlen = IFQ_MAXLEN; [...] And if you look at /usr/include/net/ethernet.h: [...] #define ETHERMTU (ETHER_MAX_LEN-ETHER_HDR_LEN-ETHER_CRC_LEN) #define ETHERMIN (ETHER_MIN_LEN-ETHER_HDR_LEN-ETHER_CRC_LEN) [...] If you want to change this you'll have to hack code. Since this is the first I've heard about it, I don't think many people share your concern regarding the issue. Is there any reason why you need this functionality? For example in /etc/defaults/rc.conf it says ----------------------------------------------- tcp_drop_synfin="NO" # Set to YES to drop TCP packets with SYN+FIN # NOTE: this violates the TCP specification ----------------------------------------------- So why do you let this to violate TCP specifications but you cant let user to violate ethernet specifications? Perhaps because this does not necessarily break inter-operability between different hosts, but changing the MTU could. There are also issues with compatibility when talking about Ethernet (though someone mentioned that "WiFi" isn't truly Ethernet). If the number is less then 1536 most Ethernet drivers assume one type of encapsulation is used (RFC 894, for "Ethernet" networks), while if it's greater then 1536 another type is (RFC 1042, for "IEEE 802.3" networks). Messing around with the MTU is fine if you can control all the hosts on the network, but things can get real messy real quickly if any mistakes are made. -- David Magda Because the innovator has for enemies all those who have done well under the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in those who may do well under the new. -- Niccolo Machiavelli, _The Prince_, Chapter VI To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 8:38:23 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3356B37B401; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 08:38:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A249F43EC2; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 08:38:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-stable-local@be-well.no-ip.com) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (lowellg.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.147.188.198]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51) with ESMTP id <20030105163821051001blq9e>; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 16:38:21 +0000 Received: from be-well.ilk.org (lowellg.ne.client2.attbi.com [24.147.188.198] (may be forged)) by be-well.ilk.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h05GcKGZ005336; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 11:38:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from freebsd-stable-local@be-well.no-ip.com) Received: (from lowell@localhost) by be-well.ilk.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h05GcJrM005333; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 11:38:19 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: be-well.ilk.org: lowell set sender to freebsd-stable-local@be-well.ilk.org using -f To: Nuno Teixeira Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bzip2recover isn't compiled/installed during build/install world (STABLE & CURRENT) References: <20030104164945.GA918@gw.tex.bogus> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 05 Jan 2003 11:38:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20030104164945.GA918@gw.tex.bogus> Message-ID: <44el7rr1qd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Lines: 14 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nuno Teixeira writes: > I noted that bzip2recover isn't installed during build/installworld. I > think it may be something related with it makefile. > > This happens on both STABLE and CURRENT brach. > > I someone could correct this, I apreciate that. I don't think it's a mistake. It isn't needed or used for the regular system operation, so there's no need for it to be in the base system. If you want it, installing the port is a trivial way of getting it into your system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 9:13:32 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC23637B401 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 09:13:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from primus.vsservices.com (primus.vsservices.com [63.66.136.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6CB43EC5 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 09:13:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gclarkii@vsservices.com) Received: from prime.vsservices.com (conr-adsl-dhcp-17-180.txucom.net [209.34.17.180]) by primus.vsservices.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h05H8dir021469 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 11:08:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from gclarkii@vsservices.com) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 11:08:45 -0600 From: GB Clark To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: gcc32 on 4.7-STABLE (c++) Message-Id: <20030105110845.032039b2.gclarkii@vsservices.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.8 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 version=2.43 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I've installed the gcc32 port and have ran into problems. How do I tell the linker where it's standard libs are? I do mostly C++ and so run into the problem with libcstd++ no comming up. I also want to install stlport, but that bombs right off the bat. I any ideas, tips or tricks to get this thing working right? My main concern is to have the most up to date C++ enviroment possiable. Please note, this is all happening on a test machine so I CAN experiment some... Thanks for the help. GB -- GB Clark II | Roaming FreeBSD Admin gclarkii@VSServices.COM | General Geek CTHULU for President - Why choose the lesser of two evils? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 10: 9:27 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A806237B401 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 10:09:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.netcologne.de (smtp.netcologne.de [194.8.194.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C810843EA9 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 10:09:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tmseck-lists@netcologne.de) Received: from mail.tmseck.homedns.org (xdsl-213-168-109-16.netcologne.de [213.168.109.16]) by smtp.netcologne.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E498670B for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 19:09:20 +0100 (MET) Received: by mail.tmseck.homedns.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3284B28439; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 19:09:07 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 19:09:06 +0100 From: Thomas Seck To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Stability Message-ID: <20030105180906.GA413@laurel.tmseck.homedns.org> Reply-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200212170023.gBH0Nvlu000764@beast.csl.sri.com> <20030103000232.GA52181@blazingdot.com> <20030103062708.GA426@laurel.tmseck.homedns.org> <20030103084232.GA3371@localhost.bsd.net.il> <20030103154323.GA454@laurel.tmseck.homedns.org> <1041659893.9975.179.camel@zaphod.softweyr.com> <20030104144157.GA485@laurel.tmseck.homedns.org> <1041729106.17746.145.camel@zaphod.softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1041729106.17746.145.camel@zaphod.softweyr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: private site in Germany X-PGP-KeyID: DF46EE05 X-PGP-Fingerprint: A38F AE66 6B11 6EB9 5D1A B67D 2444 2FE1 DF46 EE05 X-Attribution: tms Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Wes Peters (wes@softweyr.com): > On Sat, 2003-01-04 at 14:41, Thomas Seck wrote: > > * Wes Peters (wes@softweyr.com): > > > > > On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 15:43, Thomas Seck wrote: > > > > > > * Nimrod Mesika (nimrod-me@bezeqint.net): > > > > > > > > > And uptimes are not important. Downtimes *are*. > > > > > > > > Yes. Especially the unscheduled ones. > > > > > > Don't be silly, uptimes are terribly important when they're not long > > > enough to be useful. They're no longer important when they've gotten > > > long enough to last between system upgrades, which FreeBSD and a number > > > of other systems are regularly capable of these days. > > > > You are over interpreting my message. > > No, just taking it at face value. C'mon, look at the statement and > admit it was absurd: "uptimes are not important." ;^) ...as much as they were 20 years ago when computers (and me) where still in their infancy. To me this is so obvious that I did not mention it explicitly. [Max. uptime when tracking RELENG_x_y] > Oh, you want numbers? OK, I'll take a wild stab at not more than 6-8 > months, which is nowhere near the 1000+ days being reported by > Netcraft, but it certainly non-zero as well. And yes, there are > systems available now still not able to run for months at a time. I just updated a 4.5-p18 box with an uptime of ~180 days. I was perfectly fine with this. But I expect to behave a Linux or NT system similarly in respect to the load we generate. For me it's more a matter of personal taste that makes me prefer FreeBSD over most other OS's. Other people -- we had this discussion just here recently -- are far better than me when it comes to uncover bugs in the kernel that affect stability. > Too much motorcyle mentality. Ever ride a first generation Honda CBX? > On paper, they looked great. 6 cylinders, more moving parts than a > space shuttle, broad flat powerband. In reality, those extra two > cylinders tended to cook your legs, it was top-heavy and unweildy, and > the frame was far too flexible for the power of the bike. Good specs, > lousy integration. Which is obviously once you see one right before you. But nowadays motorcycle frames can handle far more power than they could twenty years ago. Imagine a Hayabusa motor in a Suzuki frame from the 80's (even the first GSX-R frames are probably rather wobbly compared to today's). Judging from specs alone is always nonsense and to be left to the management. --Thomas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 10:40:17 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4803E37B401 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 10:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from noir.propagation.net (noir.propagation.net [63.249.159.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C9043EA9 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 10:40:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nickh@supportteam.net) Received: from nh2 (c68.113.207.179.ftwrth.tx.charter.com [68.113.207.179]) by noir.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28866; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 12:40:09 -0600 Message-ID: <006001c2b4e9$ea76a960$0401a8c0@nh2> From: "Nick H. -- Technical Support Engineer" To: "Eriq" , References: <200301051012.35751.eqe@cox.net> Subject: Re: duel's in freebsd Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 12:40:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3663.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3663.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Either one would work. It depends on if you want -CURRENT or -RELEASE. Personally, I like 5.0 better. Has some neat new features in it and runs quite a bit quicker on my machines. Regards, Nick "Harm" Hale nickh@supportteam.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eriq" To: Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 9:12 AM Subject: duel's in freebsd > which distro would be better 4.7 or 5.0 for duel cpu's. > -- > > Sign, > Eriq Lamar > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 11:46: 2 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E2F37B401 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 11:46:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.nsu.ru (mx.nsu.ru [193.124.215.71]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD3E43E4A for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 11:46:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fjoe@iclub.nsu.ru) Received: from drweb by mail.nsu.ru with drweb-scanned (Exim 3.20 #1) id 18VGiQ-000631-00; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 01:45:46 +0600 Received: from iclub.nsu.ru ([193.124.215.97] ident=root) by mail.nsu.ru with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 18VGiP-00062s-00; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 01:45:45 +0600 Received: from iclub.nsu.ru (fjoe@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by iclub.nsu.ru (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h05JjdXp042413; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 01:45:39 +0600 (NS) (envelope-from fjoe@iclub.nsu.ru) Received: (from fjoe@localhost) by iclub.nsu.ru (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h05JjTrY042408; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 01:45:29 +0600 (NS) (envelope-from fjoe) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 01:45:29 +0600 From: Max Khon To: GB Clark Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gcc32 on 4.7-STABLE (c++) Message-ID: <20030106014528.A42190@iclub.nsu.ru> References: <20030105110845.032039b2.gclarkii@vsservices.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20030105110845.032039b2.gclarkii@vsservices.com>; from gclarkii@vsservices.com on Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 11:08:45AM -0600 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.43 X-Envelope-To: gclarkii@vsservices.com, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, there! On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 11:08:45AM -0600, GB Clark wrote: > How do I tell the linker where it's standard libs are? I do mostly C++ and > so run into the problem with libcstd++ no comming up. basically, you should not links with ld, you should link with your C++ compiler (g++32 I guess) and it will run ld with correct parameters (specifying location of its libstdc++ correctly) /fjoe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 11:50: 8 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F25E037B40B; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 11:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5407C43E4A; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 11:50:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wsheets@sbcglobal.net) Received: from sbcglobal.net wa1ter@smtp-send.myrealbox.com [67.114.254.254] by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.22 $ on Novell NetWare via secured & encrypted transport (TLS); Sun, 05 Jan 2003 12:50:04 -0700 Message-ID: <3E188CA8.5000900@sbcglobal.net> Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 11:51:04 -0800 From: walt Organization: none User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20030102 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jdp@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Asus A7V8X mobo with bge (again) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I see there were several posts about this back in October concerning kernel panics. I have the same mobo but the problem is not as bad as it was then. The Broadcom chip is recognized but when given this command: 'ifconfig media 100baseTX' it returns a 'device not configured' error message. George Cox posted this patch to the -CURRENT mailing list on Jan 1 which fixes the problem for me. Could someone review this and consider committing it or some variation of it? --- if_bge.c.orig Tue Dec 31 01:21:41 2002 +++ if_bge.c Wed Jan 1 04:51:08 2003 @@ -1519,7 +1519,7 @@ u_int32_t command; struct ifnet *ifp; struct bge_softc *sc; - u_int32_t hwcfg = 0; + u_int32_t hwcfg = 0, pcissid = 0; u_int32_t mac_addr = 0; int unit, error = 0, rid; @@ -1701,9 +1701,19 @@ if ((ntohl(hwcfg) & BGE_HWCFG_MEDIA) == BGE_MEDIA_FIBER) sc->bge_tbi = 1; - /* The SysKonnect SK-9D41 is a 1000baseSX card. */ - if ((pci_read_config(dev, BGE_PCI_SUBSYS, 4) >> 16) == SK_SUBSYSID_9D41) - sc->bge_tbi = 1; + /* check for 1000baseSX cards detectable via their PCI subsystem IDs */ + pcissid = (pci_read_config(dev, BGE_PCI_SUBSYS, 4) >> 16); + printf("bge%d: PCI subsystem ID is 0x%08x\n", sc->bge_unit, pcissid); + + switch (pcissid) { + case SK_SUBSYSID_9D41: + case BCOM_SUBSYSID_UNKNOWN_0x0124: + case BCOM_SUBSYSID_UNKNOWN_0x0126: + case BCOM_SUBSYSID_UNKNOWN_0x1646: + printf("bge%d: 1000baseSX capable; enabling TBI\n", sc->bge_unit); + sc->bge_tbi = 1; + default: + } if (sc->bge_tbi) { ifmedia_init(&sc->bge_ifmedia, IFM_IMASK, --- if_bgereg.h.orig Sun Dec 29 10:50:06 2002 +++ if_bgereg.h Wed Jan 1 04:50:56 2003 @@ -1787,6 +1787,10 @@ #define BCOM_DEVICEID_BCM5702X 0x16A6 #define BCOM_DEVICEID_BCM5703X 0x16A7 +#define BCOM_SUBSYSID_UNKNOWN_0x0124 0x0124 +#define BCOM_SUBSYSID_UNKNOWN_0x0126 0x0126 +#define BCOM_SUBSYSID_UNKNOWN_0x1646 0x1646 + /* * Alteon AceNIC PCI vendor/device ID. */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 12:17:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C1737B401 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 12:17:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from cicero1.cybercity.dk (cicero1.cybercity.dk [212.242.40.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199B243EC2 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 12:17:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dsl2482@vip.cybercity.dk) Received: from user2.cybercity.dk (fxp0.user2.ip.cybercity.dk [212.242.41.35]) by cicero1.cybercity.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE07615FD66 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:17:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail.cybercity.dk (webmail.cybercity.dk [212.242.40.37]) by user2.cybercity.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4378153DA for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:17:35 +0100 (CET) Reply-To: dsl2482@vip.cybercity.dk From: dsl2482@vip.cybercity.dk To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: No subject Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:17:35 +0100 Message-Id: <3e1892df4fcc60.61311560@not right> X-Authenticated-IP: [193.89.137.233] X-Sender: dsl2482@vip.cybercity.dk X-Mailer: Cybercity Webmail 1.06 (http://webmail.cybercity.dk/) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 12:50:24 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B544D37B401 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 12:50:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ldc.ro (ldc-gw.rdsnet.ro [213.157.163.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 58AE143EA9 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 12:50:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from razor@ldc.ro) Received: (qmail 25221 invoked by uid 666); 5 Jan 2003 20:50:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 22:50:13 +0200 From: Alex Popa To: Dmitry Karasik Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: usb/umass problems Message-ID: <20030105205013.GA24954@ldc.ro> References: <84ptreb9hl.fsf@plab.ku.dk> <200301031512.24733.ianjhart@ntlworld.com> <84znqhhmpw.fsf@plab.ku.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <84znqhhmpw.fsf@plab.ku.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG How about trying to mount rda0 or da0c? On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 11:50:35PM +0100, Dmitry Karasik wrote: > > As I have already answered you, yes, I tried, this does > not work, and never wouldn't, because errors on invalid > partitions hardly fall under I/O category. > > -- > Sincerely, > Dmitry > > --- www.karasik.eu.org --- > > Life ain't fair, but the root password helps. > - BOFH ------------+------------------------------------------------------- Alex Popa, | "Computer science is no more about computers than razor@ldc.ro| astronomy is about telescopes" -- E. W. Dijkstra ------------+------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 13: 6: 2 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24AE637B401 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 13:06:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from sbk-gw.sibnet.ru (sbk-gw.sibnet.ru [217.70.96.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 206CC43E4A for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 13:05:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stranger@sberbank.sibnet.ru) Received: from sbk-gw.sibnet.ru (localhost.sibnet.ru [127.0.0.1]) by sbk-gw.sibnet.ru (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h05L6L8c055674; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 03:06:21 +0600 (NOVT) (envelope-from stranger@sberbank.sibnet.ru) Received: from localhost (stranger@localhost) by sbk-gw.sibnet.ru (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h05L6KQF055671; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 03:06:21 +0600 (NOVT) X-Authentication-Warning: sbk-gw.sibnet.ru: stranger owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 03:06:20 +0600 (NOVT) From: "Maxim M. Kazachek" X-X-Sender: stranger@sbk-gw.sibnet.ru To: Eriq Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: duel's in freebsd In-Reply-To: <200301051012.35751.eqe@cox.net> Message-ID: <20030106025810.F55616-100000@sbk-gw.sibnet.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD 5.0 will be better, but 4.7 is more stable. :-) You need to balance between stability and power... I use -CURRENT on my iPaq C700/256Mb RAM/10Gb/i815, and 4.7-STABLE on my Internet gateway server, which is Compaq DeskPro C600/128Mb RAM/10Gb/i815. The -CURRENT (scheduled for 5.0-RELEASE next week) is pretty stable now, but it was terrible some time ago, especially before gcc-3.2.1 import... If you need to run something important, then use 4.7-STABLE... I think that it'll be better to wait for 5.1-RELEASE... But I plan to go to 5.0 after release on my Internet gateway, because it's stability isn't so necessary... :-) But our Radio-ethernet routers will stay -STABLE (sometimes even 3.3... :-) ) Sincerely, Maxim M. Kazachek mailto:stranger@sberbank.sibnet.ru mailto:stranger@fpm.ami.nstu.ru On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Eriq wrote: >which distro would be better 4.7 or 5.0 for duel cpu's. >-- > >Sign, > Eriq Lamar > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 13:19:53 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D85037B401; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 13:19:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from emmi.physik.TU-Berlin.DE (emmi.physik.TU-Berlin.DE [130.149.160.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 507E643E4A; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 13:19:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jschlesn@emmi.physik.TU-Berlin.DE) Received: from emmi.physik.TU-Berlin.DE (localhost.physik.TU-Berlin.DE [127.0.0.1]) by emmi.physik.TU-Berlin.DE (8.12.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h05LJnlk055286; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 22:19:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jschlesn@emmi.physik.TU-Berlin.DE) Received: (from jschlesn@localhost) by emmi.physik.TU-Berlin.DE (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id h05LJnss055285; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 22:19:49 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 22:19:49 +0100 From: Jan Schlesner To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bzip2recover isn't compiled/installed during build/install world (STABLE & CURRENT) Message-ID: <20030105211949.GA54786@physik.TU-Berlin.DE> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20030104164945.GA918@gw.tex.bogus> <44el7rr1qd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44el7rr1qd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Url: X-PGP-Key: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE-p2, i386 X-Mailer: Mutt 1.4i ( i386 FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE-p2 ) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 11:38:18AM -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Nuno Teixeira writes: > > > I noted that bzip2recover isn't installed during build/installworld. I > > think it may be something related with it makefile. > > > > This happens on both STABLE and CURRENT brach. > > > > I someone could correct this, I apreciate that. > > I don't think it's a mistake. It isn't needed or used for the regular > system operation, so there's no need for it to be in the base system. > > If you want it, installing the port is a trivial way of getting it > into your system. After a cvsup yesterday I have had the same problem. The problem was that in src/usr.bin/Makefile bzip2recover was listed as subdir, but there was no subdir bzip2recover. After deleting the line with bzip2recover all works fine. Today there is now a subidr bzip2recover. Jan -- [ gpg key: http://nl1.physik.tu-berlin.de/~jan/jschlesn.gpg ] [ key fingerprint: 4236 3497 C4CF 4F3A 274F B6E2 C4F6 B639 1DF4 CF0A ] -- It's better to reign in hell, than to serve in heaven... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 14:54: 4 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6909F37B401 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 14:54:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from warez.scriptkiddie.org (uswest-dsl-142-38.cortland.com [209.162.142.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD3E43F52 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 14:53:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lamont@scriptkiddie.org) Received: from [192.168.69.11] (unknown [192.168.69.11]) by warez.scriptkiddie.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0827762D1A; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 14:53:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 14:53:53 -0800 (PST) From: Lamont Granquist To: lamont@scriptkiddie.org Subject: TCP timestamps and uptime In-Reply-To: <3e1892df4fcc60.61311560@not right> Message-ID: <20030105144731.F98430-100000@coredump.scriptkiddie.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG WRT the "FreeBSD Stability" thread, here's some good analysis of measuring uptime from TCP timestamps, and seems to have a much higher SNR than what got posted here recently: http://cert.uni-stuttgart.de/archive/bugtraq/2001/03/msg00187.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 15:51:40 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D89D37B401 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 15:51:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.altadena.net (ns.altadena.net [206.126.144.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81E843EB2 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 15:51:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pete@ns.altadena.net) Received: from ns.altadena.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.altadena.net (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h05NpSiW008637 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 15:51:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pete@ns.altadena.net) Received: (from pete@localhost) by ns.altadena.net (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id h05NpRA4008636 for stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 15:51:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pete) From: Pete Carah Message-Id: <200301052351.h05NpRA4008636@ns.altadena.net> Subject: Firewire MFC To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 15:51:27 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL68 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In yesterday's or today's MFC of firewire, someone forgot: --------------------------------------------------- conf/files: dev/fe/if_fe.c optional fe dev/fe/if_fe_pccard.c optional fe card dev/firewire/firewire.c optional firewire + dev/firewire/fwcrom.c optional firewire dev/firewire/fwohci.c optional firewire dev/firewire/fwohci_pci.c optional firewire pci dev/firewire/fwmem.c optional firewire -------------- Causes build to fall over if "dev firewire" specified otherwise. -- Pete To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 15:55:15 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B0837B401; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 15:55:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from lerlaptop.lerctr.org (lerlaptop.lerctr.org [207.158.72.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C811743EC5; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 15:55:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ler@lerctr.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lerlaptop.lerctr.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h05Nt5AL083245; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 17:55:06 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ler@lerctr.org) Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 17:55:05 -0600 From: Larry Rosenman To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.sbin/fwcontrol fwcontrol.8 fwcontrol.c fwcrom.c src/sys/dev/firewire firewire.c firewire.h firewirebusreg.h firewirereg.h fwcrom.c fwdev.c fwohci.c fwohci_pci.c fwohcireg.h fwohcivar.h sbp.c ... Message-ID: <22230000.1041810905@lerlaptop.lerctr.org> In-Reply-To: <200301051350.h05Do5H2030165@repoman.freebsd.org> References: <200301051350.h05Do5H2030165@repoman.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.0b10 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Looks like someone forgot to add: dev/firewire/fwcrom.c optional firewire to src/sys/conf/files Without it, you can't link a kernel: inking kernel.debug sbp.o: In function `sbp_alloc_target': /usr/src/sys/dev/firewire/sbp.c(.text+0x205): undefined reference to `crom_init_context' /usr/src/sys/dev/firewire/sbp.c(.text+0x23e): undefined reference to `crom_next' /usr/src/sys/dev/firewire/sbp.c(.text+0x24f): undefined reference to `crom_search_key' /usr/src/sys/dev/firewire/sbp.c(.text+0x2d4): undefined reference to `crom_init_context' /usr/src/sys/dev/firewire/sbp.c(.text+0x300): undefined reference to `crom_next' /usr/src/sys/dev/firewire/sbp.c(.text+0x311): undefined reference to `crom_search_key' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/LERLAPTOP. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. $ I added the above line, and the kernel now links. LER --On Sunday, January 05, 2003 05:50:05 -0800 Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote: > simokawa 2003/01/05 05:50:05 PST > > Modified files: (Branch: RELENG_4) > usr.sbin/fwcontrol fwcontrol.8 fwcontrol.c fwcrom.c > sys/dev/firewire firewire.c firewire.h firewirereg.h > fwdev.c fwohci.c fwohci_pci.c fwohcireg.h > fwohcivar.h sbp.c > sys/modules/firewire/firewire Makefile > Added files: (Branch: RELENG_4) > sys/dev/firewire fwcrom.c > Removed files: (Branch: RELENG_4) > sys/dev/firewire firewirebusreg.h > Log: > MFC: Sync FireWire driver/utility with current. > - Implement primal Configuration ROM parser. > - Support multiple LUNs for SBP-II. > - Update PCI device IDs. > - Improve phy access. > - Free allocated memory when detaching. > - Detect contigmalloc failure. > - Support suspend/resume. > - Remove unused firewirebusreg.h. > - Skip mbuf whose length is zero. > - Remove speed_map API because speed_map is obsoleted by 1394a. > > Revision Changes Path > 1.3.2.5 +22 -20 src/sys/dev/firewire/firewire.c > 1.2.2.3 +1 -1 src/sys/dev/firewire/firewire.h > 1.1.2.2 +0 -38 src/sys/dev/firewire/firewirebusreg.h (dead) > 1.1.2.3 +2 -0 src/sys/dev/firewire/firewirereg.h > 1.2.2.1 +255 -0 src/sys/dev/firewire/fwcrom.c (new) > 1.2.4.2 +0 -5 src/sys/dev/firewire/fwdev.c > 1.1.2.6 +308 -182 src/sys/dev/firewire/fwohci.c > 1.3.2.5 +82 -46 src/sys/dev/firewire/fwohci_pci.c > 1.2.2.3 +19 -15 src/sys/dev/firewire/fwohcireg.h > 1.1.2.3 +5 -1 src/sys/dev/firewire/fwohcivar.h > 1.5.2.5 +41 -15 src/sys/dev/firewire/sbp.c > 1.2.2.3 +2 -2 src/sys/modules/firewire/firewire/Makefile > 1.1.2.2 +1 -3 src/usr.sbin/fwcontrol/fwcontrol.8 > 1.1.2.2 +17 -35 src/usr.sbin/fwcontrol/fwcontrol.c > 1.1.2.2 +5 -4 src/usr.sbin/fwcontrol/fwcrom.c > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message > > -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 18:18:51 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1067B37B401 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 18:18:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from emerald.crystal.com.au (emerald.crystal.com.au [203.21.47.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A4643EA9 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 18:18:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shaun@crystal.com.au) Received: from crystal.com.au ([202.165.76.30]) by emerald.crystal.com.au (8.12.0.Beta19/8.12.0.Beta19) with ESMTP id h062MFMl026997; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 10:22:19 +0800 Message-ID: <3E18E76F.2070608@crystal.com.au> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 10:18:23 +0800 From: Shaun Dwyer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway Cc: "Nick H. -- Technical Support Engineer" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: reiserfs References: <000701c2b044$9bfb0820$0401a8c0@nh2> <20021230191955.A30358@citusc.usc.edu> In-Reply-To: <20021230191955.A30358@citusc.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Have you had a recent version of VMWare running on FreeBSD? Last time I checked, VMWare 3.x needed a kernel module (only seemed to be available for Linux. --Shaun Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 02:47:03PM -0600, Nick H. -- Technical Support Engineer wrote: > >>Anyone have any ideas on how to mount a reiserfs partition under freebsd? I >>have a server I recently moved to freebsd and want to get some data off the >>old hard-drive. Any ideas/suggestions welcome. Thanks! > > > You cannot mount it directly, but you may be able to do something with > linux running in vmware and a temporary ext2fs filesystem. > > Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 19:24:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F05137B401 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 19:24:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.itga.com.au (ns.itga.com.au [202.53.40.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9995443EB2 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 19:24:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from lightning.itga.com.au (lightning.itga.com.au [192.168.71.20]) by ns.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA68329 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 14:24:32 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from lightning.itga.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lightning.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20251; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 14:24:31 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <200301060324.OAA20251@lightning.itga.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 05/15/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 From: Gregory Bond To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: packages not being built? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 14:24:31 +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've looked on a few mirror sites and also on ftp.freebsd.org and it looks like the -stable packages for i386 (at least) have not been updated since mid-November. Am I missing something? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 19:59:17 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD5D37B401 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 19:59:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from citusc.usc.edu (citusc.usc.edu [128.125.38.123]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9C543E4A for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 19:59:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@citusc.usc.edu) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc.usc.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id h063xBa15574; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 19:59:11 -0800 Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 19:59:10 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Gregory Bond Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: packages not being built? Message-ID: <20030105195910.A15570@citusc.usc.edu> References: <200301060324.OAA20251@lightning.itga.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <200301060324.OAA20251@lightning.itga.com.au>; from gnb@itga.com.au on Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 02:24:31PM +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 02:24:31PM +1100, Gregory Bond wrote: > I've looked on a few mirror sites and also on ftp.freebsd.org and it look= s=20 > like the -stable packages for i386 (at least) have not been updated since= =20 > mid-November. Am I missing something? Yes, the 5.0 release process. Kris --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE+GP8OWry0BWjoQKURApewAJ9IKeMKHvkcTnV99y3cnq+mjBTN8gCgzFtF vSwHjVoYVUMDWmBT5JIdrQc= =uryP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 21:37:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED5D37B401 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:37:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from HAL9000.homeunix.com (12-233-57-224.client.attbi.com [12.233.57.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A09C343EB2 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:37:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dschultz@uclink.berkeley.edu) Received: from HAL9000.homeunix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by HAL9000.homeunix.com (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h065bCN7002498; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:37:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dschultz@uclink.berkeley.edu) Received: (from das@localhost) by HAL9000.homeunix.com (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h065bB59002497; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:37:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dschultz@uclink.berkeley.edu) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:37:11 -0800 From: David Schultz To: Frank Nobis Cc: "Stephen J. Roznowski" , nimrod-me@bezeqint.net, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Stability Message-ID: <20030106053711.GB2397@HAL9000.homeunix.com> Mail-Followup-To: Frank Nobis , "Stephen J. Roznowski" , nimrod-me@bezeqint.net, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200301042029.h04KTkVQ077682@pcp325887pcs.catonv01.md.comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thus spake Frank Nobis : > "Stephen J. Roznowski" writes: > > > On 3 Jan, David Schultz wrote: > > > > > > What you want is to be able to take a core image of a process and > > > restart it later. I forget the names of the programs that allow > > > you to do this. Perhaps someone else can say what you need to > > > google for. > > > > This would be "checkpointing". > > That is more a programing technique for long running programs. > > I think what David meant is "undump" As several people have now told me, ``checkpointing'' is the generic term I was looking for. (I had a brain fart, I guess. Thanks.) Undump is a specific example of a mechanism useful for checkpointing. > The emacs use this to create an executable with many packages > preloaded. Sendmail used to use a checkpointing technique as well, in order to avoid the need to reparse configuration files. IIRC, it led to the infamous wizard mode security hole, because as an optimization, the program segment containing initialized data wasn't saved in the core file. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 21:39: 1 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965F737B401 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:39:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from starbug.ugh.net.au (starbug.ugh.net.au [203.31.238.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C91043EA9 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:38:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@ugh.net.au) Received: by starbug.ugh.net.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BDE93A819; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 16:38:54 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by starbug.ugh.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB005430 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 16:38:54 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 16:38:54 +1100 (EST) From: Andrew To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: installworld from a read-only filesystem Message-ID: <20030106163609.K2761-100000@starbug.ugh.net.au> X-WonK: *wibble* MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I notice installworld when /usr/src is read-only is broken: ===> include creating osreldate.h from newvers.sh setvar PARAMFILE /usr/src/include/../sys/sys/param.h; . /usr/src/include/../sys/conf/newvers.sh; echo "$COPYRIGHT" > osreldate.h; echo "#ifdef _KERNEL" >> osreldate.h; echo '#error "osreldate.h must not be used in the kernel, use sys/param.h"' >> osreldate.h; echo "#else" >> osreldate.h; echo \#'undef __FreeBSD_version' >> osreldate.h; echo \#'define __FreeBSD_version' $RELDATE >> osreldate.h; echo "#endif" >> osreldate.h /usr/src/include/../sys/conf/newvers.sh: cannot create version: read-only file system *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/src/include. *** Error code 1 This is meant to work isn't it? Is there a trick? I thought I'd done it before but I can't actuall remember when... Thanks, Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 22: 5: 4 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38CA837B401; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 22:05:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from is2.mh.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (is2.mh.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.205.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE2A43EC2; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 22:04:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: from is2.mh.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (is2.mh.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp [127.0.0.1]) by is2.mh.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A4933780F5; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:04:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from mailhosting.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (IDENT:mirapoint@mailhosting.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.205.3]) by is2.mh.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h0664qF31522; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:04:52 +0900 Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.135.3]) by mailhosting.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 2.9.3.2) with ESMTP id AHP58331; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:04:48 +0900 (JST) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 15:04:48 +0900 Message-ID: From: Hidetoshi Shimokawa To: Larry Rosenman Cc: Hidetoshi Shimokawa , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.sbin/fwcontrol fwcontrol.8 fwcontrol.c fwcrom.c src/sys/dev/firewire firewire.c firewire.h firewirebusreg.h firewirereg.h fwcrom.c fwdev.c fwohci.c fwohci_pci.c fwohcireg.h fwohcivar.h sbp.c ... In-Reply-To: <3530000.1041812127@lerlaptop.lerctr.org> References: <200301051350.h05Do5H2030165@repoman.freebsd.org> <22230000.1041810905@lerlaptop.lerctr.org> <3530000.1041812127@lerlaptop.lerctr.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.11.0 (Wonderwall) REMI/1.14.3 (Matsudai) FLIM/1.14.3 (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Unebigory=F2mae?=) APEL/10.3 MULE XEmacs/21.4 (patch 8) (Honest Recruiter) (i386--freebsd) X-Face: OE([KxWyJI0r[R~S/>7ia}SJ)i%a,$-9%7{*yihQk|]gl}2p#"oXmX/fT}Bn7: #j7i14gu$jgR\S*&C3R/pJX List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At Sun, 05 Jan 2003 18:15:27 -0600, Larry Rosenman wrote: > > I added the above line, and the kernel now links. > BUT it doesn't run. I get a Fault 12 when the PC-CARD slots are probed. > > Removing the firewire related lines from my kernel config allows it to run. > > Config (with the firewire stuff commented out), attached. I committed a fix to both -current and -stable. Please try it. Thanks, /\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa \/ simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp PGP public key: http://www.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~simokawa/pgp.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 22:39:36 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C514837B401 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 22:39:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from starbug.ugh.net.au (starbug.ugh.net.au [203.31.238.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2050343EB2 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 22:39:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@ugh.net.au) Received: by starbug.ugh.net.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4A363A819; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 17:39:33 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by starbug.ugh.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF005430 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 17:39:33 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 17:39:33 +1100 (EST) From: Andrew To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: installworld from a read-only filesystem In-Reply-To: <20030106163609.K2761-100000@starbug.ugh.net.au> Message-ID: <20030106173906.H2761-100000@starbug.ugh.net.au> X-WonK: *wibble* MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Andrew wrote: > I notice installworld when /usr/src is read-only is broken: I should say thats for 4.7-RELEASE-p2 (RELENG_4_7) Thanks, Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 5 23:56:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B274437B401 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 23:56:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from genius.tao.org.uk (genius.tao.org.uk [212.135.162.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE8943E4A for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 23:56:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@genius.tao.org.uk) Received: by genius.tao.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 100) id D0D33422F; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 07:55:59 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 07:55:59 +0000 From: Josef Karthauser To: Daniel O'Connor Cc: Aaron Wohl , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: usb 2 or firewire in stable? Message-ID: <20030106075559.GA17295@genius.tao.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Josef Karthauser , Daniel O'Connor , Aaron Wohl , stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20021223153915.A474F1754C@www.fastmail.fm> <1040689370.77991.2.camel@chowder.gsoft.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="17pEHd4RhPHOinZp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1040689370.77991.2.camel@chowder.gsoft.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 10:52:50AM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > On Tue, 2002-12-24 at 02:09, Aaron Wohl wrote: > > Is anyone using usb 2 or fireware in 4.7 stable? If so how? I need one > > or the other to do backups to an external disk. The machine is a > > production machine tho so I cant really go to current yet. I tried some > > usb 2 cards. They show up as usb 1 cards and work ok but only at usb 1 > > speeds. >=20 > I don't think anyone has merged USB 2.0 support from NetBSD yet.. > (USB 2.0 cards look exactly the same as USB 1.1 for older drivers) >=20 That's right. The framework is in place for usb 2 in -current, but the actual driver (ehci) hasn't been ported yet. If anyone fancies doing it be my guest, it shouldn't be too hard. Joe --=20 Josef Karthauser (joe@tao.org.uk) http://www.josef-k.net/ FreeBSD (cvs meister, admin and hacker) http://www.uk.FreeBSD.org/ Physics Particle Theory (student) http://www.pact.cpes.sussex.ac.uk/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D An eclectic mix of fact an= d theory. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAj4ZNo8ACgkQXVIcjOaxUBayRACgzSbcIiHEt1v5Yl+vqEiDHT+c HxEAniPnILY+t32FQFO4aHqwoVB4bjXp =SadD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 6 3:57:10 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC4237B401 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 03:57:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from jess.haukeland.no (jess.haukeland.no [161.4.81.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 429DC43EC5 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 03:57:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from knut.magne.huglen@helse-bergen.no) Received: (qmail 19659 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2003 11:52:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO patsy.ihelse.net) (161.4.3.136) by jess.haukeland.no with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 11:52:03 -0000 Received: from glen.ihelse.net ([161.4.3.38]) by patsy.ihelse.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:56:56 +0100 x-fsavag4mse-ts: bc4536d0e4b37298 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:56:56 +0100 Message-ID: <3B0E75751957A84C8625BB45DD3206C9012E9FB5@epost.ihelse.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Is thread-index: AcK1erYLXJBiyKbbQvKkZEEXhMeLBQ== From: "Knut Magne Huglen" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2003 11:56:57.0133 (UTC) FILETIME=[B67195D0:01C2B57A] X-VNH: Approved Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 6 6:51:24 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB96237B401 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 06:51:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from valen.gwi.net (valen.gwi.net [207.5.128.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FF643E4A for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 06:51:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fkittred@gwi.net) Received: from nexus.gwi.net (blake.gwi.net [207.5.142.8]) by valen.gwi.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h06Ep9O16289; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 09:51:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200301061451.h06Ep9O16289@valen.gwi.net> To: Evren Yurtesen Cc: "Wright, Michaelx L" , fkittred@gwi.net, Michael Sierchio , dmagda@ee.ryerson.ca, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu From: fkittred@gwi.net Subject: Re: wi0 and mtu setting [bad idea] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 03 Jan 2003 21:28:35 +0200." Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 09:50:52 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 21:28:35 +0200 (WET) Evren Yurtesen wrote: > Isnt it also the responsibility of the person who sets the MTU that he > should be sure everything will work right? in my access points setting MTU > to higher than 1500 works for example. I am using linux based access > points. For these last 20 years or so, I have been an IP Network engineer. I assure you that it ends up not being the responsibility of the end user, it is the responsibility of the network staff at the few dozen ISPs a given connection traverses. Bad MTUs combined with broken MTU detection leads to mysterious failures. The Internet has few governing laws. It is an extraordinary example of international cooperation on an unprecidented scale. There is no law stopping you from using an illegal MTU setting, just convention and engineering good manners. I posted the links to the wi (802.llb) standards. In a brief scan of the document, I did not see anything in there allowing MTUs greater than 1500 octets. In the networking world, it is considered very bad to justify a configuration/feature because a given implementation allows the configuration. This leads to networks that don't work. If the wi standard requires interfaces to allow MTUs greater than 1500 octets, and the FreeBSD wi driver doesn't allow them, then wi is broken. If the wi standard optionally allows MTUs > 1500 octets, then the wi driver may be uncompetitive. If the wi standard doesn't allow MTUs > 1500 octets, and the Linux driver does, then the Linux driver is majorly broken. So, I don't know the answer to whether MTUs greater than 1500 octets are legal under the standard. The standard is the only valid source of information. Supply this information and we can move forward. regards, fletcher To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 6 6:51:53 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E5CE37B401; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 06:51:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from lerlaptop.lerctr.org (lerlaptop.lerctr.org [207.158.72.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43CF843EE6; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 06:51:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ler@lerctr.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lerlaptop.lerctr.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h06EplTV000519; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 08:51:47 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ler@lerctr.org) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 08:51:47 -0600 From: Larry Rosenman To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa Cc: Hidetoshi Shimokawa , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.sbin/fwcontrol fwcontrol.8 fwcontrol.c fwcrom.c src/sys/dev/firewire firewire.c firewire.h firewirebusreg.h firewirereg.h fwcrom.c fwdev.c fwohci.c fwohci_pci.c fwohcireg.h fwohcivar.h sbp.c ... Message-ID: <1500000.1041864707@lerlaptop.lerctr.org> In-Reply-To: References: <200301051350.h05Do5H2030165@repoman.freebsd.org> <22230000.1041810905@lerlaptop.lerctr.org> <3530000.1041812127@lerlaptop.lerctr.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.0b10 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --On Monday, January 06, 2003 15:04:48 +0900 Hidetoshi Shimokawa wrote: > At Sun, 05 Jan 2003 18:15:27 -0600, > Larry Rosenman wrote: >> > I added the above line, and the kernel now links. >> BUT it doesn't run. I get a Fault 12 when the PC-CARD slots are probed. >> >> Removing the firewire related lines from my kernel config allows it to >> run. >> >> Config (with the firewire stuff commented out), attached. > > I committed a fix to both -current and -stable. > Please try it. This fix does indeed fix the fault 12. Thank you for the quick work. LER > > Thanks, > > /\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa > \/ simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp > PGP public key: http://www.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~simokawa/pgp.html -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 6 7:22:34 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D3837B401 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 07:22:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from bessel.tekniikka.turkuamk.fi (bessel.tekniikka.turkuamk.fi [193.166.133.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C422F43EB2 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 07:22:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eyurtese@bessel.tekniikka.turkuamk.fi) Received: from localhost (eyurtese@localhost) by bessel.tekniikka.turkuamk.fi (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA90004; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 17:22:14 +0200 Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 17:22:14 +0200 (WET) From: Evren Yurtesen To: fkittred@gwi.net Cc: "Wright, Michaelx L" , Michael Sierchio , dmagda@ee.ryerson.ca, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu Subject: Re: wi0 and mtu setting [bad idea] In-Reply-To: <200301061451.h06Ep9O16289@valen.gwi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think something is called broken when it doesnt work as you expect it to work or it doesnt comply with standards. Also I think something is called an 'extra feature' if it is not in the standard which defines it but you have access to it. Can you please show me the 802.11b document where it says the MTU shouldnt be more than 1500bytes? Maybe it doesnt say that the MTU can be more than 1500 bytes but I think the standards also doesnt say if it must be smaller than 1500 bytes. Also by lettin user to be able to set MTU higher than 1500 you do not break the wi driver. You give an extra feature to it. It is the user who breaks the standards(if it says in 802.11b standards that the MTU cant be bigger than 1500) if he/she sets MTU higher than 1500 Evren On Mon, 6 Jan 2003 fkittred@gwi.net wrote: > On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 21:28:35 +0200 (WET) Evren Yurtesen wrote: > > Isnt it also the responsibility of the person who sets the MTU that he > > should be sure everything will work right? in my access points setting MTU > > to higher than 1500 works for example. I am using linux based access > > points. > > For these last 20 years or so, I have been an IP Network engineer. I > assure you that it ends up not being the responsibility of the end > user, it is the responsibility of the network staff at the few dozen > ISPs a given connection traverses. Bad MTUs combined with broken MTU > detection leads to mysterious failures. > > The Internet has few governing laws. It is an extraordinary example > of international cooperation on an unprecidented scale. There is no > law stopping you from using an illegal MTU setting, just convention > and engineering good manners. > > I posted the links to the wi (802.llb) standards. In a brief scan of > the document, I did not see anything in there allowing MTUs greater > than 1500 octets. In the networking world, it is considered very bad > to justify a configuration/feature because a given implementation > allows the configuration. This leads to networks that don't work. > > If the wi standard requires interfaces to allow MTUs greater than 1500 > octets, and the FreeBSD wi driver doesn't allow them, then wi is > broken. If the wi standard optionally allows MTUs > 1500 octets, then > the wi driver may be uncompetitive. If the wi standard doesn't allow > MTUs > 1500 octets, and the Linux driver does, then the Linux driver > is majorly broken. > > So, I don't know the answer to whether MTUs greater than 1500 octets > are legal under the standard. The standard is the only valid source > of information. Supply this information and we can move forward. > > regards, > fletcher > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 6 9: 1:21 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6DE837B401 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 09:01:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93DF43ED4 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 09:01:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h06H121e061356; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 10:01:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 09:59:13 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20030106.095913.38843654.imp@bsdimp.com> To: eyurtese@turkuamk.fi Cc: kudzu@tenebras.com, dmagda@ee.ryerson.ca, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu Subject: Re: wi0 and mtu setting From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: References: <3E14AE7F.50805@tenebras.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message: Evren Yurtesen writes: : I definetely agree and obviously since mikrotikos supports this then linux : should do since mikrotikos is built on linux. Why shouldnt FreeBSD support : setting mtu of wireless interfaces higher than 1500 Patches? Complaining in -stable might not attract my attention to the problem. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 6 9: 4:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C8237B401 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 09:04:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D7A43EDC for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 09:04:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h06H4R1e061381; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 10:04:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 10:02:38 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20030106.100238.69366019.imp@bsdimp.com> To: eyurtese@turkuamk.fi Cc: sten.daniel.sorsdal@wan.no, michaelx.l.wright@intel.com, fkittred@gwi.net, kudzu@tenebras.com, dmagda@ee.ryerson.ca, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu Subject: Re: wi0 and mtu setting [bad idea] From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: References: <0AF1BBDF1218F14E9B4CCE414744E70F07DE29@exchange.wanglobal.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message: Evren Yurtesen writes: : Yes, actually this is why I asked first about MTU settings in wi. I use : PPPoE and it has 8bytes overhead. It could be nice to set MTU to 1508 so : 1500 byte ethernet frames can be encapsualted in PPPoE without : fragmentation. : : I just dont understand why FreeBSD people have to make this wi driver so : tight in standarts even though there are wireless cards which support : non-standard(and sometimes nice) things which can be useful. I definetely : disagree that something should be in standard so you will allow setting of : it! Dude, you are being way too confrontational here. Since I am the wi driver maintainer, and I haven't said I wouldn't support this, you are just being an ass rather than doing things in a way that would motivate people to allow you the flexibility to do. I'm not conversant on all the technical issues, but so far I've missed patches that I could test to see if they cause problems or not. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 6 9: 8:37 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E8537B401 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 09:08:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D10543ED8 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 09:08:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h06H8Y1e061419 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 10:08:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 10:06:45 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20030106.100645.106046235.imp@bsdimp.com> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wi0 and mtu setting [bad idea] From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: References: <200301061451.h06Ep9O16289@valen.gwi.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message: Evren Yurtesen writes: : I think something is called broken when it doesnt work as you expect it to : work or it doesnt comply with standards. : Also I think something is called an 'extra feature' if it is not in the : standard which defines it but you have access to it. : : Can you please show me the 802.11b document where it says the MTU shouldnt : be more than 1500bytes? Maybe it doesnt say that the MTU can be more than : 1500 bytes but I think the standards also doesnt say if it must be smaller : than 1500 bytes. : : Also by lettin user to be able to set MTU higher than 1500 you do not : break the wi driver. You give an extra feature to it. It is the user who : breaks the standards(if it says in 802.11b standards that the MTU cant be : bigger than 1500) if he/she sets MTU higher than 1500 Actually, if you want to play the standards card, you need to show where in the doc it is allowed. The burdon of proof is on you, not the me, for this. I've seen some compelling arguments to do this, but also a lot of stupid grousing and complaining that make me ill inclined to help. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 6 9:20:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C89037B401 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 09:20:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from bessel.tekniikka.turkuamk.fi (bessel.tekniikka.turkuamk.fi [193.166.133.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1C443EA9 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 09:20:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eyurtese@bessel.tekniikka.turkuamk.fi) Received: from localhost (eyurtese@localhost) by bessel.tekniikka.turkuamk.fi (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA150594; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:19:50 +0200 Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:19:50 +0200 (WET) From: Evren Yurtesen To: "M. Warner Losh" Cc: sten.daniel.sorsdal@wan.no, michaelx.l.wright@intel.com, fkittred@gwi.net, kudzu@tenebras.com, dmagda@ee.ryerson.ca, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu Subject: Re: wi0 and mtu setting [bad idea] In-Reply-To: <20030106.100238.69366019.imp@bsdimp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry about that but everybody seemed to disagree to having this option of 1500+ MTU settings in wi driver. If you will support this, then its just fine for me. I dont complain! =) Sorry! Evren On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: > Evren Yurtesen writes: > : Yes, actually this is why I asked first about MTU settings in wi. I use > : PPPoE and it has 8bytes overhead. It could be nice to set MTU to 1508 so > : 1500 byte ethernet frames can be encapsualted in PPPoE without > : fragmentation. > : > : I just dont understand why FreeBSD people have to make this wi driver so > : tight in standarts even though there are wireless cards which support > : non-standard(and sometimes nice) things which can be useful. I definetely > : disagree that something should be in standard so you will allow setting of > : it! > > Dude, you are being way too confrontational here. Since I am the wi > driver maintainer, and I haven't said I wouldn't support this, you are > just being an ass rather than doing things in a way that would > motivate people to allow you the flexibility to do. > > I'm not conversant on all the technical issues, but so far I've missed > patches that I could test to see if they cause problems or not. > > Warner > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 6 9:27:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A361E37B401 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 09:27:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD14A43EC2 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 09:27:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h06HRR1e061570; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 10:27:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 10:25:38 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20030106.102538.57922346.imp@bsdimp.com> To: eyurtese@turkuamk.fi Cc: sten.daniel.sorsdal@wan.no, michaelx.l.wright@intel.com, fkittred@gwi.net, kudzu@tenebras.com, dmagda@ee.ryerson.ca, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu Subject: Re: wi0 and mtu setting [bad idea] From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: References: <20030106.100238.69366019.imp@bsdimp.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message: Evren Yurtesen writes: : Sorry about that but everybody seemed to disagree to having this option of : 1500+ MTU settings in wi driver. : : If you will support this, then its just fine for me. I dont complain! =) : Sorry! Well, this converstation needs to take place on the net@ list. In -current, at least, if_ethersubr.c prevents 'ethernet' drivers from setting the mtu higher. There's some experimental patches that make 802.11 its own network thing which were ported over from NetBSD, but even those don't allow one to set it higher since it just uses the if_ethersubr code path for mtu setting. So while I'll make it possible for the wi driver, it won't help at all until this higher level stuff is resolved. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 6 10:41:12 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3DD37B401 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 10:41:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.die.supsi.ch (mail.die.supsi.ch [193.5.153.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D39643EA9 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 10:41:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nunnari@die.supsi.ch) Received: from die.supsi.ch (pcm2022.die.supsi.ch [193.5.152.22]) by mail.die.supsi.ch (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h06Ieup20036 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:40:56 +0100 Message-ID: <3E19CDB8.4000601@die.supsi.ch> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 19:40:56 +0100 From: Roberto Nunnari User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: fail to install linux_base from ports Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi there. probably I messed up something... I just upgraded the system to 4.7 Stable I did a pkg_deinstall -a then cvsupped the latest ports but when trying to install /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base it fails with lots of errors like: /usr/share/zoneinfo/... from install of glibc-common-2.2.4-31 conflicts with file from package glibc-2.1.2-11 can anybody help? Please send copy of your replies to my mailbox as well, as I'm not on the list. Thanks a lot. -- Roberto Nunnari -software engineer- mailto:nunnari@die.supsi.ch Scuola Universitaria Professionale della Svizzera Italiana Dipartimento di Informatica e Elettronica http://www.die.supsi.ch SUPSI-DIE Via Cantonale tel: +41-91-6108561 6928 Manno """ fax: +41-91-6108570 Switzerland (o o) =======================oOO==(_)==OOo======================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 6 11:44: 1 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9D537B401 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:43:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6060843EE5 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:43:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h06JhPro023673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 6 Jan 2003 14:43:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h06JhKk58008; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 14:43:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15897.56408.793022.131019@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 14:43:20 -0500 (EST) To: "M. Warner Losh" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wi0 and mtu setting [bad idea] In-Reply-To: <20030106.102538.57922346.imp@bsdimp.com> References: <20030106.100238.69366019.imp@bsdimp.com> <20030106.102538.57922346.imp@bsdimp.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG M. Warner Losh writes: > > Well, this converstation needs to take place on the net@ list. In > -current, at least, if_ethersubr.c prevents 'ethernet' drivers from > setting the mtu higher. There's some experimental patches that make It doesn't prevent anything. It just sets the mtu to a default of ETHER_MTU, which is what 98% of ethernet drivers want. If you want something higher (or lower) as your default, you just need to reset the mtu after calling ether_ifattach(). For example, the following code at the bottom of my attach function has worked fine for years..: (GM_IP_MTU is 9K on some firmware, 4K on older firmware) #if (__FreeBSD_version >= 500000) ether_ifattach (ifp, sc->is_addr); #elif (__FreeBSD_version >= 410000) ether_ifattach (ifp, ETHER_BPF_SUPPORTED); #else if_attach (ifp); ether_ifattach (ifp); #endif /*ether_ifattach resets mtu */ ifp->if_mtu = GM_IP_MTU; return 0; Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 6 12:10:59 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9BEF37B406 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:10:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0753743EC2 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:10:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sa264@cam.ac.uk) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18VdaK-00056u-00; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 20:10:56 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 20:10:46 +0000 From: AMAKAWA Shuhei To: Thomas Nystrom Cc: Steve Burton , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fix for hanging of vr interface (Rhine Ethernet) In-Reply-To: <3E01EF15.E779BEE3@saeab.se> References: <3DFBACE7.1D60335F@saeab.se> <3E01DE5A.265553D0@sliderule.demon.co.uk> <3E01EF15.E779BEE3@saeab.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.4 - "Hosorogi") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello. At Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:08:53 +0100, Thomas Nystrom wrote: > > I have found one other person who has run the test sucessfully but I would > feel more comfortable if there were some more people that had run the > patch..... I have also got a reply from a person in Finland that are going > to do exactly the same thing as you are. It never hung since I applied the patch several weeks ago. -- Shuhei To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 6 12:26:17 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E6737B401 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:26:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from caduceus.fm.intel.com (fmr02.intel.com [192.55.52.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E06243EA9 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:26:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelx.l.wright@intel.com) Received: from petasus.fm.intel.com (petasus.fm.intel.com [10.1.192.37]) by caduceus.fm.intel.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/d: outer.mc,v 1.51 2002/09/23 20:43:23 dmccart Exp $) with ESMTP id h06KKnw12705 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 20:20:49 GMT Received: from fmsmsxvs041.fm.intel.com (fmsmsxvs041.fm.intel.com [132.233.42.126]) by petasus.fm.intel.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/d: inner.mc,v 1.27 2002/10/16 23:46:59 dmccart Exp $) with SMTP id h06KLLr10127 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 20:21:21 GMT Received: from fmsmsx28.fm.intel.com ([132.233.42.28]) by fmsmsxvs041.fm.intel.com (NAVGW 2.5.2.11) with SMTP id M2003010612241131492 ; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 12:24:11 -0800 Received: by fmsmsx28.fm.intel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:26:05 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Wright, Michaelx L" To: fkittred@gwi.net, Evren Yurtesen Cc: Michael Sierchio , dmagda@ee.ryerson.ca, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu Subject: RE: wi0 and mtu setting [bad idea] Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:25:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well Said. Cheers M. L. Wright Intel UNIX-NQL 503.264.8300 -----Original Message----- From: fkittred@gwi.net [mailto:fkittred@gwi.net] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 6:51 AM To: Evren Yurtesen Cc: Wright, Michaelx L; fkittred@gwi.net; Michael Sierchio; dmagda@ee.ryerson.ca; freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu Subject: Re: wi0 and mtu setting [bad idea] On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 21:28:35 +0200 (WET) Evren Yurtesen wrote: > Isnt it also the responsibility of the person who sets the MTU that he > should be sure everything will work right? in my access points setting MTU > to higher than 1500 works for example. I am using linux based access > points. For these last 20 years or so, I have been an IP Network engineer. I assure you that it ends up not being the responsibility of the end user, it is the responsibility of the network staff at the few dozen ISPs a given connection traverses. Bad MTUs combined with broken MTU detection leads to mysterious failures. The Internet has few governing laws. It is an extraordinary example of international cooperation on an unprecidented scale. There is no law stopping you from using an illegal MTU setting, just convention and engineering good manners. I posted the links to the wi (802.llb) standards. In a brief scan of the document, I did not see anything in there allowing MTUs greater than 1500 octets. In the networking world, it is considered very bad to justify a configuration/feature because a given implementation allows the configuration. This leads to networks that don't work. If the wi standard requires interfaces to allow MTUs greater than 1500 octets, and the FreeBSD wi driver doesn't allow them, then wi is broken. If the wi standard optionally allows MTUs > 1500 octets, then the wi driver may be uncompetitive. If the wi standard doesn't allow MTUs > 1500 octets, and the Linux driver does, then the Linux driver is majorly broken. So, I don't know the answer to whether MTUs greater than 1500 octets are legal under the standard. The standard is the only valid source of information. Supply this information and we can move forward. regards, fletcher To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 6 15:23:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B9A37B405; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:23:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from zippy.hexanet.fr (speedfreak.hexanet.fr [81.23.32.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA33343EC2; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:23:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr) Received: from zippy.hexanet.fr (nighty@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.hexanet.fr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h06NMxee004963; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 00:23:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 00:22:59 +0100 From: Christophe Prevotaux To: stable@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Audio board [HELP] Message-Id: <20030107002259.1375e9ad.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr> Organization: HEXANET Sarl X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a Gateway Laptop running 4-STABLE however I can't seem to find the correct driver for the onboard audio chip which is: none0@pci0:9:0: class=0x040100 card=0x2150107b chip=0x89381102 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Creative Labs' device = 'EV1938 Sound' class = multimedia subclass = audio Could anyone tell me if this is a supported chipset or if someone has patches or drivers for this chipset. -- =============================================================== Christophe Prevotaux Email: c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr HEXANET SARL URL: http://www.hexanet.fr/ Z.A.C Les Charmilles Tel: +33 (0)3 26 79 30 05 3 Allée Thierry Sabine Direct: +33 (0)3 26 61 77 72 BP202 Fax: +33 (0)3 26 79 30 06 51686 Reims Cedex 2 FRANCE HEXANET Network Operation Center =============================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 6 15:37:21 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B17937B401; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:37:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from shockwave.systems.pipex.net (shockwave.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B575643EA9; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:37:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stacey@vickiandstacey.com) Received: from [192.168.1.8] (81-86-129-77.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.129.77]) by shockwave.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D32160016F5; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 23:37:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Audio board [HELP] From: Stacey Roberts Reply-To: stacey@vickiandstacey.com To: Christophe Prevotaux Cc: stable@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20030107002259.1375e9ad.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr> References: <20030107002259.1375e9ad.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Organization: Message-Id: <1041896240.51041.164.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 06 Jan 2003 23:37:21 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Christophe, On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 23:22, Christophe Prevotaux wrote: > I have a Gateway Laptop running 4-STABLE however I can't seem to find the correct > driver for the onboard audio chip which is: > > > none0@pci0:9:0: class=0x040100 card=0x2150107b chip=0x89381102 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Creative Labs' > device = 'EV1938 Sound' > class = multimedia > subclass = audio > Err., have you tried adding device pcm to the kernel and recompiling? See the handbook (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/sound-setup) for details on this procedure. You've not indicated exactly what problem you're having, so I've presumed that its just a case of not knowing how to add sound support with the specific card you have. Hope this hslps some. Regards, Stacey > > Could anyone tell me if this is a supported chipset or if someone has patches > or drivers for this chipset. > > > > > -- > =============================================================== > Christophe Prevotaux Email: c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr > HEXANET SARL URL: http://www.hexanet.fr/ > Z.A.C Les Charmilles Tel: +33 (0)3 26 79 30 05 > 3 Allée Thierry Sabine Direct: +33 (0)3 26 61 77 72 > BP202 Fax: +33 (0)3 26 79 30 06 > 51686 Reims Cedex 2 > FRANCE HEXANET Network Operation Center > =============================================================== > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- Stacey Roberts B.Sc (HONS) Computer Science Web: www.vickiandstacey.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 6 15:43:23 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BEDE37B401 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:43:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from citusc.usc.edu (citusc.usc.edu [128.125.38.123]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78E543EA9 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:43:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@citusc.usc.edu) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc.usc.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id h06NhHo22957; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:43:17 -0800 Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:43:17 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Roberto Nunnari Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fail to install linux_base from ports Message-ID: <20030106154317.A22931@citusc.usc.edu> References: <3E19CDB8.4000601@die.supsi.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <3E19CDB8.4000601@die.supsi.ch>; from nunnari@die.supsi.ch on Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 07:40:56PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 07:40:56PM +0100, Roberto Nunnari wrote: > but when trying to install /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base > it fails with lots of errors like: >=20 > /usr/share/zoneinfo/... from install of glibc-common-2.2.4-31 > conflicts with file from package glibc-2.1.2-11 >=20 > can anybody help? You either still have packages installed, or have some old stale files (from previous packages that were not upgraded correctly, or which were installed by hand) still lying around. Try removing /compat/linux and retrying. Kris --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE+GhSUWry0BWjoQKURAvQbAKCZ7Y9732LKX2D35+BHa7tGKjkIsgCgmoec jqSmWJwBmiPQQS3g9IvnPgA= =Myk3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 6 15:53:57 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8948737B405; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:53:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from zippy.hexanet.fr (speedfreak.hexanet.fr [81.23.32.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6BA143EC5; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:53:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr) Received: from hexanet.fr (nighty@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.hexanet.fr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h06Nrjee005028; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 00:53:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 00:53:45 +0100 From: Christophe Prevotaux To: stacey@vickiandstacey.com Cc: stable@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Audio board [HELP] Message-Id: <20030107005345.1b3ab8e1.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr> In-Reply-To: <1041896240.51041.164.camel@localhost> References: <20030107002259.1375e9ad.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr> <1041896240.51041.164.camel@localhost> Organization: HEXANET Sarl X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) X-NCC-RegID: fr.hexanet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well the only problem I have is that I can't use sound on my machine because I found nowhere information concerning support for the chipset EV1938 so I don't which driver corresponds to this chipset or if it is not supported at all On 06 Jan 2003 23:37:21 +0000 Stacey Roberts wrote: > Hi Christophe, > > On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 23:22, Christophe Prevotaux wrote: > > I have a Gateway Laptop running 4-STABLE however I can't seem to find the correct > > driver for the onboard audio chip which is: > > > > > > none0@pci0:9:0: class=0x040100 card=0x2150107b chip=0x89381102 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Creative Labs' > > device = 'EV1938 Sound' > > class = multimedia > > subclass = audio > > > > Err., have you tried adding device pcm to the kernel and recompiling? > See the handbook > (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/sound-setup) > for details on this procedure. > > You've not indicated exactly what problem you're having, so I've > presumed that its just a case of not knowing how to add sound support > with the specific card you have. > > Hope this hslps some. > > Regards, > > Stacey > > > > > Could anyone tell me if this is a supported chipset or if someone has patches > > or drivers for this chipset. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > =============================================================== > > Christophe Prevotaux Email: c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr > > HEXANET SARL URL: http://www.hexanet.fr/ > > Z.A.C Les Charmilles Tel: +33 (0)3 26 79 30 05 > > 3 Allée Thierry Sabine Direct: +33 (0)3 26 61 77 72 > > BP202 Fax: +33 (0)3 26 79 30 06 > > 51686 Reims Cedex 2 > > FRANCE HEXANET Network Operation Center > > =============================================================== > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > -- > Stacey Roberts > B.Sc (HONS) Computer Science > > Web: www.vickiandstacey.com > > -- -- =============================================================== Christophe Prevotaux Email: c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr HEXANET SARL URL: http://www.hexanet.fr/ Z.A.C Les Charmilles Tel: +33 (0)3 26 79 30 05 3 Allée Thierry Sabine Direct: +33 (0)3 26 61 77 72 BP202 Fax: +33 (0)3 26 79 30 06 51686 Reims Cedex 2 FRANCE HEXANET Network Operation Center =============================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 6 17:22:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3079637B401; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 17:22:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9C343EA9; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 17:22:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from muttley@gotadsl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.0.7] (muttley.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.123.26]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343751E29AA; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 01:22:17 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 01:23:18 GMT From: Matthew Whelan To: Christophe Prevotaux Subject: Re: Audio board [HELP] Cc: stacey@vickiandstacey.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20030107005345.1b3ab8e1.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr> References: <1041896240.51041.164.camel@localhost> <20030107005345.1b3ab8e1.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr> Message-Id: <20030107012055.9E71.MUTTLEY@gotadsl.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.05.04 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 00:53:45 +0100 Christophe Prevotaux wrote: > Well the only problem I have is that I can't use sound > on my machine because I found nowhere information concerning > support for the chipset EV1938 so I don't which driver corresponds > to this chipset or if it is not supported at all Ah the wonders of Google: http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-questions@freebsd.org/msg10446.html The wonders of mail archives too. Try checking for support for the Creative Vibra 128, see if you get any further. Matt -- Matthew Whelan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 7 1: 0:31 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1645537B401 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 01:00:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.die.supsi.ch (mail.die.supsi.ch [193.5.153.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7884843EA9 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 01:00:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nunnari@die.supsi.ch) Received: from die.supsi.ch (pcm2022.die.supsi.ch [193.5.152.22]) by mail.die.supsi.ch (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h078wOp26180; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:58:24 +0100 Message-ID: <3E1A96B0.4080504@die.supsi.ch> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 09:58:24 +0100 From: Roberto Nunnari User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fail to install linux_base from ports References: <3E19CDB8.4000601@die.supsi.ch> <20030106154317.A22931@citusc.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks Kris. I followed your advice and removed /compat/linux and that solved the problem. Cheers. Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 07:40:56PM +0100, Roberto Nunnari wrote: > > >>but when trying to install /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base >>it fails with lots of errors like: >> >>/usr/share/zoneinfo/... from install of glibc-common-2.2.4-31 >>conflicts with file from package glibc-2.1.2-11 >> >>can anybody help? > > > You either still have packages installed, or have some old stale files > (from previous packages that were not upgraded correctly, or which > were installed by hand) still lying around. Try removing > /compat/linux and retrying. > > Kris -- Roberto Nunnari -software engineer- mailto:nunnari@die.supsi.ch Scuola Universitaria Professionale della Svizzera Italiana Dipartimento di Informatica e Elettronica http://www.die.supsi.ch SUPSI-DIE Via Cantonale tel: +41-91-6108561 6928 Manno """ fax: +41-91-6108570 Switzerland (o o) =======================oOO==(_)==OOo======================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 7 1: 9:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5A837B401 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 01:09:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms.nikopol.net (nikopol.net [212.35.187.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E30143EA9 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 01:09:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from den@nikopol.net) Received: from den.nikopol.net (den.nikopol.net [212.35.187.155]) by ms.nikopol.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03395 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:09:27 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from den@nikopol.net) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:08:48 +0200 From: "Den" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.75 Backspace Edition) Reply-To: "Den" Organization: ISP MainStream X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <175829095966.20030107110848@nikopol.net> To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: tarfshow: /dev/bpf1... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After installing DHCPD trafshow didn't start: # trafshow -p trafshow: /dev/bpf1: No such file or directory In kernel config bpfilter is on: pseudo-device bpfilter 8 #Berkeley packet filter /dev/bpf1 is really absent, but /dev/bpf0 is present. What is wrong? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 7 1:20: 2 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD5637B401 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 01:20:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from topaz.mdcc.cx (topaz.mdcc.cx [212.204.230.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB87D43EA9 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 01:19:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: from k7.mavetju (topaz.mdcc.cx [212.204.230.141]) by topaz.mdcc.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F422B689; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 10:19:51 +0100 (CET) Received: by k7.mavetju (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A4AAE6A712B; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:19:42 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:19:42 +1100 From: Edwin Groothuis To: Den Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tarfshow: /dev/bpf1... Message-ID: <20030107091942.GY930@k7.mavetju> References: <175829095966.20030107110848@nikopol.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <175829095966.20030107110848@nikopol.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 11:08:48AM +0200, Den wrote: > After installing DHCPD trafshow didn't start: > # trafshow -p > trafshow: /dev/bpf1: No such file or directory > > In kernel config bpfilter is on: > pseudo-device bpfilter 8 #Berkeley packet filter > > /dev/bpf1 is really absent, but /dev/bpf0 is present. Try in /dev: ./MAKEDEV bpf1 bpf2 bpf3 etc. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin@mavetju.org | Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/weblog.php To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 7 1:25:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F2137B401 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 01:25:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-2.paradise.net.nz (smtp-2a.paradise.net.nz [202.0.32.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F5243EDC for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 01:25:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from james.pole@paradise.net.nz) Received: from 203-79-99-91.tnt13.paradise.net.nz (203-79-99-91.tnt13.paradise.net.nz [203.79.99.91]) by smtp-2.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584E49E41D; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:25:27 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: Re: tarfshow: /dev/bpf1... From: James Pole To: Den Cc: stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <175829095966.20030107110848@nikopol.net> References: <175829095966.20030107110848@nikopol.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1041931496.31066.2.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 07 Jan 2003 22:24:56 +1300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 22:08, Den wrote: > After installing DHCPD trafshow didn't start: > # trafshow -p > trafshow: /dev/bpf1: No such file or directory > > In kernel config bpfilter is on: > pseudo-device bpfilter 8 #Berkeley packet filter > > /dev/bpf1 is really absent, but /dev/bpf0 is present. > > What is wrong? Try running "cd /dev && ./MAKEDEV bpf1" as root to create the neccessary device files for the berekely packet filters. See the FreeBSD manual page for more detail:- http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-nodes.html - James -- James Pole ICQ: 21721828 AIM: kiwijames1986 MSN: james.pole@paradise.net.nz SMS: +64-210-455-139 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 7 4:52:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 212D437B401 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 04:52:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from solfertje.student.utwente.nl (solfertje.student.utwente.nl [130.89.167.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B299F43EA9 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 04:52:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dalroi@solfertje.student.utwente.nl) Received: from solfertje.student.utwente.nl (failways.internal [10.236.150.2]) by solfertje.student.utwente.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8B33A0 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 13:52:42 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 13:52:34 +0100 (CET) From: dalroi@solfertje.student.utwente.nl Reply-To: Alban Hertroys Subject: bootparamd and /etc/rc To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20030107125242.CA8B33A0@solfertje.student.utwente.nl> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I could find no reference to 'bootparamd' in any file in the /etc tree (with one exception for /etc/rpc, but that was not what I was looking for). Shouldn't there be an entry in rc.network and in defaults/rc.conf? Or did I miss something? This is on a FreeBSD4.7-STABLE that I updated yesterday. -- Alban Hertroys http://solfertje.student.utwente.nl - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The world is filled with fools, and I enjoy every one of them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 7 8:17:19 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2219E37B401 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:17:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from yertle.kciLink.com (yertle.kcilink.com [216.194.193.105]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40FF43EB2 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:17:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from khera@kciLink.com) Received: from onceler.kciLink.com (onceler.kciLink.com [216.194.193.106]) by yertle.kciLink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D44842178A for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:17:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by onceler.kciLink.com (Postfix, from userid 100) id AD7B73D17; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:17:05 -0500 (EST) From: Vivek Khera MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15898.64897.595212.533933@onceler.kciLink.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:17:05 -0500 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: em device driver license? X-Mailer: VM 7.07 under 21.4 (patch 8) "Honest Recruiter" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In the file /usr/src/sys/dev/em/README, it ends with this: License ======= This software program is released under the terms of a license agreement between you ('Licensee') and Intel. Do not use or load this software or any associated materials (collectively, the 'Software') until you have carefully read the full terms and conditions of the LICENSE located in this software package. By loading or using the Software, you agree to the terms of this Agreement. If you do not agree with the terms of this Agreement, do not install or use the Software. Since the em device is compiled by default into the kernel, I _assume_ the license is BSD-compatible, but shouldn't the LICENSE file be in that directory as well? This is 4.7-STABLE cvsup'd today. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera@kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-240-453-8497 AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 7 8:49:43 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C843C37B401 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:49:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from trillian.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB8B43EA9 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:49:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@trillian.nitro.dk) Received: by trillian.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2814858D7; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 17:49:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 17:49:37 +0100 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Vivek Khera Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: em device driver license? Message-ID: <20030107164936.GA44219@nitro.dk> References: <15898.64897.595212.533933@onceler.kciLink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ikeVEW9yuYc//A+q" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15898.64897.595212.533933@onceler.kciLink.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --ikeVEW9yuYc//A+q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2003.01.07 11:17:05 +0000, Vivek Khera wrote: > Since the em device is compiled by default into the kernel, I _assume_ > the license is BSD-compatible, but shouldn't the LICENSE file be in > that directory as well? I got found the driver on Intels website and it a BSD license. The driver I found is a bit newer that the one in FreeBSD but I would guess they have the same license... The driver can be found at ftp://aiedownload.intel.com/df-support/4105/eng/em-1.4.10.tar.gz I guess it would be a good idea to include the LICENSE file in the FreeBSD tree since the README refers to it, but the license is actually in the source files so I guess it is not that important. The LICENSE file says : Copyright (c) 2001-2002, Intel Corporation=20 All rights reserved. Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without=20 modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met: 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice,= =20 this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright=20 notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the=20 documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. 3. Neither the name of the Intel Corporation nor the names of its=20 contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from=20 this software without specific prior written permission. THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND CONTRIBUTORS "AS IS" AND ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE= =20 IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE= =20 ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE COPYRIGHT OWNER OR CONTRIBUTORS BE=20 LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR=20 CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF=20 SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS=20 INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN=20 CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE)=20 ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --ikeVEW9yuYc//A+q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+GwUg8kocFXgPTRwRAmdfAJ4qE+qZRsXUTK6fhrIM+vxZFFsIpwCggeY4 GV2AQk9JbraqDeMfGUAQqI4= =tEpf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ikeVEW9yuYc//A+q-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 7 12: 1:21 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E69D37B401 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:01:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from area51.slashnet.org (area51.slashnet.org [209.150.98.86]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E95043ED4 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:01:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from smkelly@zombie.org) Received: from edgemaster.zombie.org (ip68-13-64-165.om.om.cox.net [68.13.64.165]) by area51.slashnet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733E549F1F; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:01:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by edgemaster.zombie.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C9B5241587; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:01:11 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:01:11 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: Yeasah Pell Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Saving a partially rotten IBM DTLA-307030 Harddisk Message-ID: <20030107200111.GA24556@edgemaster.zombie.org> References: <20030102205040.GC22880@Deadcell.ant> <20030103002730.GB729@Deadcell.ant> <200301022132.35297.duhring@charter.net> <3E152CAF.6000107@barryp.org> <00bf01c2b2f9$dfa77650$052010ac@gauss> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00bf01c2b2f9$dfa77650$052010ac@gauss> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 02:29:38AM -0500, Yeasah Pell wrote: > I returned a drive, it took a couple weeks to get it back, and the > replacement had a "used part" sticker on it. It failed within a month. > I foolishly returned the drive again, this time including a plea to > replace the drive with another model that doesn't fail, but I just got > the same thing back again, 2 weeks later. Now it rots in a drawer. I went through four of them like this. I'm still using the fourth one, until it explodes. All of them are "servicable used parts", so it means some other sucker returned them and they're just redistributing them after "fixing" them. My first drive lasted about a year. My second drive lasted about 6 months. My third drive lasted lasted a few weeks. Along with the return of the third drive, I included http://www.zombie.org/ibm.txt with the drive. I also managed to get an 'Ask Slashdot' story posted which asked people if they were having problems with this series of drive. To this day, I still get e-mail from people complaining about these IBM drives. (And yes, I apologize for contributing to something that is pretty far offtopic by now.) --=20 Sean Kelly | PGP KeyID: D2E5E296 smkelly@zombie.org | http://www.zombie.org --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+GzIGPm7A9NLl4pYRAhXAAKDIZsaMO9KiLm+CibjRDFMQpPu8xwCbB2cD Xn8X9TZsGB6twYkvqiuEiSk= =NMbO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 7 15:41:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C4A37B401; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:41:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from figg.securenet.com.au (ns2.isecure.com.au [202.125.4.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BAA543EB2; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:41:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from carl@xena.IPAustralia.gov.au) Received: from iron.securenet.com.au (iron.securenet.com.au [202.125.4.94]) by figg.securenet.com.au (8.12.5/8.12.5/Debian-1) with ESMTP id h07NfJOq023852; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:41:19 +1100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by iron.securenet.com.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) id h07NfJf4003617; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:41:19 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: iron.securenet.com.au: uucp set sender to using -f Received: from nodnsquery(10.11.3.10) by iron.securenet.com.au via csmap (V6.0) id srcAAAmuaaeh; Wed, 8 Jan 03 10:41:18 +1100 Received: from vmail.aipo.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gibbons.securenet.com.au (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id h07NfISF000320; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:41:18 +1100 Received: from xena.aipo.gov.au (xena.aipo.gov.au [10.0.100.52]) by vmail.aipo.gov.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h07NfIv25538; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:41:18 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from carl@xena.IPAustralia.gov.au) Received: from newton.aipo.gov.au (newton.aipo.gov.au [10.0.100.18]) by xena.aipo.gov.au (8.11.1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h07NfIW44361; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:41:18 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from carl@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au) Received: from newton.aipo.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newton.aipo.gov.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h07NfH1R086933; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:41:17 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from carl@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au) Received: (from carl@localhost) by newton.aipo.gov.au (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h07NfHkv086932; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:41:17 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newton.aipo.gov.au: carl set sender to carl@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au using -f Subject: Problems with the Mozilla plugin and remote connections From: Carl Makin To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-java@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Message-Id: <1041982876.79645.49.camel@newton.aipo.gov.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 08 Jan 2003 10:41:16 +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Morning all, I've got jdk-1.3.1p7_2 installed and running as a plugin in Mozilla 1.1. It mostly works except when the applet tries to connect back to the source host, probably via SSL. In that case the connection fails and in some cases crashes the browser. Specifically I'm trying to use two applets. The first is the admin console for an IBM Enterprise Storage Server (SHARK) and the second is the admin applets for an IBM 2106-S16 fibre channel switch (rebadged brocade Silkworm 3800). When trying the shark the applet gives a "communication problem" message. When trying the brocade applet it crashes the browser. Can anyone help me with the next steps in getting this resolved? It's the last thing I need before I can chuck netscape 4.76. Thanks! Carl. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 7 16:15:27 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB32B37B401 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:15:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from zircon.seattle.wa.us (dsl231-043-165.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A18543EDC for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:15:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@zircon.seattle.wa.us) Received: (qmail 46179 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2003 00:15:24 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Jan 2003 00:15:24 -0000 Subject: Re: Problems with the Mozilla plugin and remote connections From: Joe Kelsey To: Carl Makin Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-java@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1041982876.79645.49.camel@newton.aipo.gov.au> References: <1041982876.79645.49.camel@newton.aipo.gov.au> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1041984923.422.61.camel@zircon> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 07 Jan 2003 16:15:23 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 15:41, Carl Makin wrote: > Morning all, > > I've got jdk-1.3.1p7_2 installed and running as a plugin in Mozilla > 1.1. It mostly works except when the applet tries to connect back to > the source host, probably via SSL. In that case the connection fails > and in some cases crashes the browser. > > Specifically I'm trying to use two applets. The first is the admin > console for an IBM Enterprise Storage Server (SHARK) and the second is > the admin applets for an IBM 2106-S16 fibre channel switch (rebadged > brocade Silkworm 3800). Are you trying to perform some sort of proxy connection? Aside from SSL, do you have a corporate gateway in the way? The Java plugin *does not* do proxy connections. /Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 7 19:35:13 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9657C37B405; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:35:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from figg.securenet.com.au (ns2.isecure.com.au [202.125.4.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A5E143ED8; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:35:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from carl@xena.IPAustralia.gov.au) Received: from iron.securenet.com.au (iron.securenet.com.au [202.125.4.94]) by figg.securenet.com.au (8.12.5/8.12.5/Debian-1) with ESMTP id h083YnOq021963; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:34:49 +1100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by iron.securenet.com.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) id h083YnsG017602; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:34:49 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: iron.securenet.com.au: uucp set sender to using -f Received: from nodnsquery(10.11.3.10) by iron.securenet.com.au via csmap (V6.0) id srcAAAqWaiyI; Wed, 8 Jan 03 14:34:49 +1100 Received: from vmail.aipo.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gibbons.securenet.com.au (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id h083YmID010343; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:34:48 +1100 Received: from xena.aipo.gov.au (xena.aipo.gov.au [10.0.100.52]) by vmail.aipo.gov.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h083Ymv32322; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:34:48 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from carl@xena.IPAustralia.gov.au) Received: from newton.aipo.gov.au (newton.aipo.gov.au [10.0.100.18]) by xena.aipo.gov.au (8.11.1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h083YmW48763; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:34:48 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from carl@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au) Received: from newton.aipo.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newton.aipo.gov.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h083Yl1R087576; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:34:47 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from carl@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au) Received: (from carl@localhost) by newton.aipo.gov.au (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h083YkwK087575; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:34:46 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newton.aipo.gov.au: carl set sender to carl@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au using -f Subject: Re: Problems with the Mozilla plugin and remote connections From: Carl Makin To: Joe Kelsey Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-java@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1041984923.422.61.camel@zircon> References: <1041982876.79645.49.camel@newton.aipo.gov.au> <1041984923.422.61.camel@zircon> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Message-Id: <1041996885.79645.55.camel@newton.aipo.gov.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 08 Jan 2003 14:34:46 +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Joe, On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 11:15, Joe Kelsey wrote: > > I've got jdk-1.3.1p7_2 installed and running as a plugin in Mozilla > > 1.1. It mostly works except when the applet tries to connect back to > > the source host, probably via SSL. In that case the connection fails > Are you trying to perform some sort of proxy connection? Aside from > SSL, do you have a corporate gateway in the way? No. The hosts in question are all on the same network and are configured to talk direct. The shark connection starts to work, but when the applet tries its first connection back to the shark it errors out with a "communications error". That applet runs under Netscape 4.76 in the 1.1.8 JVM. The Brocades need a minimum of the 1.2.2 JVM and they crash the browser immediately. Carl. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 7 22:24:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06DAB37B401 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:24:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from wattres.Watt.COM (wattres.watt.com [66.93.133.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F02A43E4A for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:24:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@Watt.COM) Received: (from steve@localhost) by wattres.Watt.COM (8.12.6/8.12.6) id h086Oono004995 for stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:24:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve) Message-Id: <200301080624.h086Oono004995@wattres.Watt.COM> From: steve@Watt.COM (Steve Watt) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:24:49 -0800 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 beta(5) 10/07/98) To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: panic: vm_map_fork: encountered a submap Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG OK, I guess I'm getting lucky (not) this week. After my ugly filesystem panic a couple of days ago (lost six files -- backups? naah), I got a vm_map_fork: encountered a submap panic this evening. The current process was sh. The trace looks like: (kgdb) where #0 dumpsys () at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:487 #1 0xc01f2e18 in boot (howto=256) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:316 #2 0xc01f324c in poweroff_wait (junk=0xc037b3e0, howto=-855254336) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:595 #3 0xc02d3edc in vmspace_fork (vm1=0xccec2080) at /usr/src/sys/vm/vm_map.c:2421 #4 0xc02d103b in vm_fork (p1=0xcce3a000, p2=0xcd05dac0, flags=20) at /usr/src/sys/vm/vm_glue.c:232 #5 0xc01ec357 in fork1 (p1=0xcce3a000, flags=20, procp=0xcd04bf30) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_fork.c:488 #6 0xc01ebb0e in fork (p=0xcce3a000, uap=0xcd04bf80) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_fork.c:100 #7 0xc031204d in syscall2 (frame={tf_fs = 47, tf_es = 47, tf_ds = 47, tf_edi = 0, tf_esi = 135041024, tf_ebp = -1077937600, tf_isp = -855326764, tf_ebx = 0, tf_edx = 135030556, tf_ecx = 0, tf_eax = 2, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 2, tf_eip = 134674540, tf_cs = 31, tf_eflags = 514, tf_esp = -1077937628, tf_ss = 47}) at /usr/src/sys/i386/i386/trap.c:1175 #8 0xc0305ff5 in Xint0x80_syscall () #9 0x804b91f in ?? () #10 0x804acc0 in ?? () #11 0x805288c in ?? () #12 0x80527f6 in ?? () #13 0x804813e in ?? () (kgdb) up #1 0xc01f2e18 in boot (howto=256) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:316 316 dumpsys(); (kgdb) up #2 0xc01f324c in poweroff_wait (junk=0xc037b3e0, howto=-855254336) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:595 595 boot(bootopt); (kgdb) up #3 0xc02d3edc in vmspace_fork (vm1=0xccec2080) at /usr/src/sys/vm/vm_map.c:2421 2421 panic("vm_map_fork: encountered a submap"); (kgdb) list 2416 2417 old_entry = old_map->header.next; 2418 2419 while (old_entry != &old_map->header) { 2420 if (old_entry->eflags & MAP_ENTRY_IS_SUB_MAP) 2421 panic("vm_map_fork: encountered a submap"); 2422 2423 switch (old_entry->inheritance) { 2424 case VM_INHERIT_NONE: 2425 break; (kgdb) print vm1 $4 = (struct vmspace *) 0xc037b3e0 (kgdb) print *vm1 $1 = {vm_map = {header = {prev = 0x6d5f6d76, next = 0x665f7061, start = 980120175, end = 1668179232, avail_ssize = 1953396079, object = {vm_object = 0x64657265, sub_map = 0x64657265}, offset = 7020375650722668832, eflags = 112, protection = 0 '\000', max_protection = 0 '\000', inheritance = 0 '\000', wired_count = 0, lastr = 0}, lock = {lk_interlock = {lock_data = 0}, lk_flags = 0, lk_sharecount = 0, lk_waitcount = 0, lk_exclusivecount = 24898, lk_prio = 8292, lk_wmesg = 0x72746e65
, lk_timo = 1953702009, lk_lockholder = 796160609}, nentries = 543452773, size = 544370534, system_map = 110 'n', infork = 101 'e', hint = 0x63617473, timestamp = 1852121195, first_free = 0x797274, pmap = 0x0}, vm_pmap = {pm_pdir = 0x0, pm_pteobj = 0x0, pm_pvlist = {tqh_first = 0x0, tqh_last = 0x0}, pm_count = 0, pm_active = 543449410, pm_stats = {resident_count = 1667331187, wired_count = 1919361131}, pm_ptphint = 0x7320776f}, vm_refcnt = 1953653108, vm_shm = 0x646e652f
, vm_rssize = 544106784, vm_swrss = 544695662, vm_tsize = 1667331187, vm_dsize = 1852121195, vm_ssize = 7959156, vm_taddr = 0x0, vm_daddr = 0x0, vm_maxsaddr = 0x0, vm_minsaddr = 0x0} (kgdb) print old_entry $2 = 0xc037b3e0 (kgdb) print *old_entry $3 = {prev = 0x6d5f6d76, next = 0x665f7061, start = 980120175, end = 1668179232, avail_ssize = 1953396079, object = {vm_object = 0x64657265, sub_map = 0x64657265}, offset = 7020375650722668832, eflags = 112, protection = 0 '\000', max_protection = 0 '\000', inheritance = 0 '\000', wired_count = 0, lastr = 0} (kgdb) print *(struct proc *)curproc $6 = {p_procq = {tqe_next = 0xcd05bbe0, tqe_prev = 0xc0400de0}, p_list = { le_next = 0xcd05bbe0, le_prev = 0xcd05dac8}, p_cred = 0xc138d3e0, p_fd = 0xc1134b00, p_stats = 0xcd049cd0, p_limit = 0xc1445d00, p_upages_obj = 0xcd0171e0, p_procsig = 0xc1535000, p_flag = 16388, p_stat = 2 '\002', p_pad1 = "\000\000", p_pid = 56896, p_hash = {le_next = 0xcce3c220, le_prev = 0xc0b34d00}, p_pglist = { le_next = 0xcd05dac0, le_prev = 0xcd05c0fc}, p_pptr = 0xcd05c0c0, p_sibling = { le_next = 0x0, le_prev = 0xcd05c110}, p_children = {lh_first = 0xcd05dac0}, p_ithandle = {callout = 0xc382e4a8}, p_oppid = 0, p_dupfd = 0, p_vmspace = 0xccec2080, p_estcpu = 36, p_cpticks = 0, p_pctcpu = 1093, p_wchan = 0x0, p_wmesg = 0x0, p_swtime = 3, p_slptime = 0, p_realtimer = {it_interval = {tv_sec = 0, tv_usec = 0}, it_value = {tv_sec = 0, tv_usec = 0}}, p_runtime = 0, p_uu = 0, p_su = 0, p_iu = 0, p_uticks = 0, p_sticks = 1410, p_iticks = 2, p_traceflag = 0, p_tracep = 0x0, p_siglist = {__bits = {0, 0, 0, 0}}, p_textvp = 0xcca37740, p_lock = 1 '\001', p_oncpu = 0 '\000', p_lastcpu = 0 '\000', p_rqindex = 12 '\f', p_locks = -269, p_simple_locks = 0, p_stops = 0, p_stype = 0, p_step = 0 '\000', p_pfsflags = 0 '\000', p_pad3 = "\000", p_retval = {0, 135030556}, p_sigiolst = { slh_first = 0x0}, p_sigparent = 20, p_oldsigmask = {__bits = {0, 0, 0, 0}}, p_sig = 0, p_code = 0, p_klist = {slh_first = 0x0}, p_sigmask = {__bits = {0, 0, 0, 0}}, p_sigstk = {ss_sp = 0x0, ss_size = 0, ss_flags = 4}, p_priority = 54 '6', p_usrpri = 54 '6', p_nice = 0 '\000', p_comm = "sh\000n\000er\000\000\000\000\000\000\000\000\000", p_pgrp = 0xc1374ec0, p_sysent = 0xc03aaa00, p_rtprio = {type = 1, prio = 0}, p_prison = 0x0, p_args = 0xc15d9c80, p_addr = 0xcd049000, p_md = {md_regs = 0xcd04bfa8}, p_xstat = 0, p_acflag = 0, p_ru = 0x0, p_nthreads = 0, p_aioinfo = 0x0, p_wakeup = 0, p_peers = 0x0, p_leader = 0xcce3a000, p_asleep = {as_priority = 0, as_timo = 0}, p_emuldata = 0x0} For some reason, I seem to be getting questionable data from some of my debugging sessions (for example the *vm1 above is really the panic string). The machine was running a late November (about 21 Nov) -STABLE until the softdeps panic on 4 Jan, at which point I did a refresh to -STABLE. Then this panic tonight... guess I'm having a bad week. I'm not seeing any recent changes to vm_map that could be causing this, but I'm not that deeply into the VM subsystem. Clues? -- Steve Watt KD6GGD PP-ASEL-IA ICBM: 121W 56' 57.8" / 37N 20' 14.9" Internet: steve @ Watt.COM Whois: SW32 Free time? There's no such thing. It just comes in varying prices... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 8 2:55:28 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B562F37B401 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 02:55:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.wananchi.com (ns2.wananchi.com [62.8.64.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F84D43EE1 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 02:55:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wash@wananchi.com) Received: from wash by ns2.wananchi.com (Exim 4.10.11 #2 (FreeBSD)) protocol: local id 18WDpU-000CKB-00 for ; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 13:53:00 +0300 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 13:52:59 +0300 From: Odhiambo Washington To: FBSD-STABLE Subject: Moving from 4.7-STABLE to 5.0 Message-ID: <20030108105259.GA43103@ns2.wananchi.com> Mail-Followup-To: Odhiambo Washington , FBSD-STABLE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Disclaimer: Any views expressed in this message,where not explicitly attributed otherwise, are mine alone!. X-Fortune: "Dying is a very dull, dreary affair. And my advice to you is to have nothing whatever to do with it." -- W. Somerset Maugham X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE i386 X-Best-Window-Manager: Blackbox X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.1i (2002-05-02) X-Designation: Systems Administrator, Wananchi Online Ltd. X-Location: Nairobi, KE, East Africa. X-Uptime: 1:45PM up 35 days, 3:44, 4 users, load averages: 0.73, 0.94, 0.95 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, HAPPY NEW YEAR to you. I know I shouldn't be doing this (asking this here) but maybe there are some souls who've walked this tight path. I am attempting to UPDATE from 4.7-STABLE to 5.0 via cvsup. So I have changed my tag "default release=cvs tag=." and cvsup-ed. I have read UPDATING but I still fail to get through. I did make world and it failed with the error below: ===> etc Checking to see if your booted kernel is fresh enough.. /usr/obj/usr/src/bin/sh/sh -c 'echo "Testing installed kernel for new sigaction(2) syscall"' Bad system call (core dumped) *** Error code 140 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. So I did build a kernel and found that the new kernel is installed in /boot/kernel/ - it does not overwrite the one in / Secondly I tried booting the new kernel but it panicked.It means I am unable to proceed further. In a nutshell, I am requesting anyone who has gone through this path of updating and willing to share their notes on it to help me out. Thanks in advance. -Wash -- Odhiambo Washington "The box said 'Requires Wananchi Online Ltd. www.wananchi.com Windows 95, NT, or better,' Tel: +254 2 313985-9 +254 2 313922 so I installed FreeBSD." GSM: +254 72 743223 +254 733 744121 This sig is McQ! :-) Wethern's Law: Assumption is the mother of all screw-ups. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 8 5:25: 2 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A6C37B401 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 05:25:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ua.fm (smtpav.ua.fm [195.248.190.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8027143ED1 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 05:24:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd_my@ua.fm) Received: from [212.109.38.56] (account freebsd_my HELO andriyp) by ua.fm (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with ESMTP id 19289046; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 15:24:53 +0200 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:23:15 +0200 From: Andriy Podanenko X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62/Beta6) Reply-To: Andriy Podanenko Organization: Kvazar-Micro Lviv X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <605445960.20030108152315@ua.fm> To: Odhiambo Washington Cc: FBSD-STABLE Subject: Re: Moving from 4.7-STABLE to 5.0 In-Reply-To: <20030108105259.GA43103@ns2.wananchi.com> References: <20030108105259.GA43103@ns2.wananchi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I know I shouldn't be doing this (asking this here) but maybe > there are some souls who've walked this tight path. > I am attempting to UPDATE from 4.7-STABLE to 5.0 via cvsup. > So I have changed my tag "default release=cvs tag=." and cvsup-ed. > I have read UPDATING but I still fail to get through. > I did make world and it failed with the error below: > ===>> etc > Checking to see if your booted kernel is fresh enough.. > /usr/obj/usr/src/bin/sh/sh -c 'echo "Testing installed kernel for new sigaction(2) syscall"' > Bad system call (core dumped) > *** Error code 140 > Stop in /usr/src. > *** Error code 1 > Stop in /usr/src. > make buildworld make buildkernel reboot with boot -s mergemaster -p make installkernel make installworld reboot mergemaster read UPDATING more(at the end of file) dont do make world when versions are so different To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 8 5:49:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7543137B401 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 05:49:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from seed.net.tw (sn12.seed.net.tw [139.175.54.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D39643E4A for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 05:49:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from leafy@leafy.idv.tw) Received: from [211.74.17.223] (port=49219 helo=leafy.idv.tw) by seed.net.tw with esmtp (Seednet 4.10:3) id 18WGaM-0007w0-00 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 21:49:34 +0800 Received: from leafy.idv.tw (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leafy.idv.tw (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h08DnXcx002223 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 21:49:33 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from leafy@leafy.idv.tw) Received: (from leafy@localhost) by leafy.idv.tw (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h08DnXWe002222 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 21:49:33 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 21:49:33 +0800 From: leafy To: FBSD-STABLE Subject: Re: Moving from 4.7-STABLE to 5.0 Message-ID: <20030108134933.GA2210@leafy.idv.tw> Mail-Followup-To: FBSD-STABLE References: <20030108105259.GA43103@ns2.wananchi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030108105259.GA43103@ns2.wananchi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 01:52:59PM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > I did make world and it failed with the error below: > > -Wash You should do "buildworld" instead of "world" and then follow the path described in UPDATING (way down~~~ too much for my taste). Buildworld does not test your kernel. And you will have to install a new bootloader (also described in UPDATING) to go with the new kernel (you should be building the new GENERIC, not your customized kernel). leafy -- "Without the userland, the kernel is useless." --inspired by The Tao of Programming To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 8 5:59: 7 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A3137B401 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 05:59:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from fed1mtao04.cox.net (fed1mtao04.cox.net [68.6.19.241]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1700343EB2 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 05:59:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ciscogeek@vzavenue.net) Received: from vzavenue.net ([68.99.199.125]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030108135903.QACU27125.fed1mtao04.cox.net@vzavenue.net> for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:59:03 -0500 Message-ID: <3E1C2EA6.18C86871@vzavenue.net> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 06:59:02 -0700 From: Janet Sullivan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: ATA corruption in DMA mode Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If I copy large (500 meg) files between directories with DMA on, the copy becomes corrupt. If I turn DMA off and use PIO mode, the copy is fine. Smaller files do not seem to trigger this problem. I am using STABLE from a couple of days ago, although I think I may have been having this problem for a longer time. I have a Soyo KT333 Platinum Dragon motherboard with a built in Highpoint IDE raid controller. The corruption happens on my ar0 array, which is RAID 1 and consists of two Western Digital 40g drives. fsck has never found any problems with these drives. I'm using 80-pin cables, and the array used to run clean (around 4.6 and before). Any suggestions would be welcome. My dmesg follows: [esca] (ciscogeek) dmesg -a Copyright (c) 1992-2002 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE #0: Mon Jan 6 22:24:04 MST 2003 root@esca.apocrypha.bgp4.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ESCA Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+ (1666.49-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x662 Stepping = 2 Features=0x383f9ff AMD Features=0xc0400000 real memory = 268369920 (262080K bytes) avail memory = 257699840 (251660K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0366000. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled Using $PIR table, 10 entries at 0xc00fded0 npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 pci1: at 0.0 irq 11 fxp0: port 0x9000-0x903f mem 0xe7000000-0xe70fffff,0xe7100000-0xe7100fff irq 10 at device 10.0 on pci0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:d0:b7:a0:f3:d0 inphy0: on miibus0 inphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto pcm0: port 0x9400-0x943f irq 11 at device 11.0 on pci0 uhci0: port 0x9c00-0x9c1f irq 10 at device 14.0 on pci0 usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: port 0xa000-0xa01f irq 10 at device 14.1 on pci0 usb1: on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered pci0: at 14.2 irq 11 atapci0: port 0xb400-0xb4ff,0xb000-0xb003,0xac00-0xac07,0xa800-0xa803,0xa400-0xa407 irq 10 at device 15.0 on pci0 ata2: at 0xa400 on atapci0 ata3: at 0xac00 on atapci0 isab0: at device 17.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci1: port 0xbc00-0xbc0f at device 17.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci1 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci1 uhci2: port 0xc000-0xc01f irq 11 at device 17.2 on pci0 usb2: on uhci2 usb2: USB revision 1.0 uhub2: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci3: port 0xc400-0xc41f irq 11 at device 17.3 on pci0 usb3: on uhci3 usb3: USB revision 1.0 uhub3: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered orm0: