From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 2 7:10:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B9237B401 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 07:10:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [212.66.1.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F354B43F85 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 07:10:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h22FAOdK008200 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 16:10:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h22FAO3Y008199; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 16:10:24 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 16:10:24 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200303021510.h22FAO3Y008199@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mozilla window won't open after upgrade - FIXED In-Reply-To: <20030228225209.GB45826@klapaucius.zer0.org> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable User-Agent: tin/1.5.4-20000523 ("1959") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.7-RELEASE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gregory Sutter wrote: > On 2003-02-27 16:40 -0500, Kenneth W Cochran wrote: > > Mozilla has looked awful here ever since going past > > 1.1.-something, i.e. with addition of Xft. Disabling Xft > > in the (newer) Mozilla build/install hasn't help much. > > If you have the mozilla-fonts package installed, then remove it. > Ironically, the newer mozillas don't get along with mozilla-fonts. > Go figure. Ironically, the mozilla-fonts package was intended for older versions of Mozilla (i.e. Netscape 2.x/3.x/4.x) to work around a bug in MS Internet Explorer. The MS IE had a bug to display certain fonts too large. Consequently, web authors started using smaller font sizes ( and the like). While those came out the right size on MS IE, they were much too small and unreadable on browsers which tried to render the fonts correctly, such as Netscape/Mozilla. Therefore, the mozilla-fonts package was "invented" as a work-around: It contains fonts at a readable size whose recorded sizes (in the font files) are smaller than they actually are. The result is, that the browser uses these fonts, thinking that they are as small as the web page author specified, but actually they come out larger (i.e. readable). In other words: These fonts simulate the old font bug of MS IE. I agree that it should be removed if installed. :-) Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. I worry about my child and the Internet all the time, even though she's too young to have logged on yet. Here's what I worry about. I worry that 10 or 15 years from now, she will come to me and say "Daddy, where were you when they took freedom of the press away from the Internet?" -- Mike Godwin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message