From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 7 04:34:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B273A16A4CE for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 04:34:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from vhost109.his.com (vhost109.his.com [216.194.225.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970DF43D55 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 04:34:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (localhost.his.com [127.0.0.1]) by vhost109.his.com (8.12.6p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i07CYexi037558; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 07:34:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040107025601.GC65133@kosmos.my.net> References: <20040106202408.GC63867@kosmos.my.net> <20040106233751.A32387-100000@haldjas.folklore.ee> <20040107001001.GA65133@kosmos.my.net> <3FFB56CE.3030109@iconoplex.co.uk> <20040107025601.GC65133@kosmos.my.net> To: Allan Bowhill From: Brad Knowles Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Personal patches X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 12:34:57 -0000 X-Original-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:37:02 +0100 X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 12:34:57 -0000 At 6:56 PM -0800 2004/01/06, Allan Bowhill wrote: > It has worked not only in a single case, but in many cases, tourists, > terrorists, serial killers, and freeing innocent people who were wrongfully > convicted. > > The area of genetic testing has signifcant merit, although you appear > not to accept this. When there is sufficient other evidence to indicate that a person has committed a crime, then DNA should be used to help prove or disprove those claims. It should not be used as a fishing expedition upon the entire populace. > I heard that Brits are exempt from fingerprinting. I hope this changes. > Simply out of fairness to everyone else. When you're willing to publicly post your fingerprints, retina scans, DNA, and all other personal identifying information, for you and every single living person that you are related to by blood or marriage (going back at least three to six generations), then I might be willing to consider your thoughts. > The U.S. economy, when healthy, relies on %75 internal spending. > If EU businessmen have a problem with this, they can go fish. The world is far more connected than you seem to realize. Or would you be perfectly happy to use a chainsaw to cut off one of your limbs, just to prove that 75% of something is just as good as 100%? > I doubt the EU will impose trade sanctions, or sacrifice good business > for the sake of a few irate travelers. Like hell it wouldn't. > We are not new to this, as you seem to believe. Terrorism, Piracy and > Organized Crime are all intertwined. We have dealt with all of them in > our history. Addressing problems related to international piracy and > felonies is part of the responsibility of government, and is coded into > our constitution. Okay, now I know you're a lunatic. *plonk* > I'm sorry to hear you were almost killed. I don't know much about the > particulars of your domestic terrorism problems, but I am under the > impression that Britain's handling of it is somewhat less than > exemplary. ... And now we know that you're ignorant, too. The truth of the matter is that the UK has successfully fought terrorism better than any other country on the face of the planet, and their methods are being used elsewhere as a model on how to deal with the Palestinian problem and other terrorist hot spots around the world. Why else do you think that the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded in 1998 to John Hume and David Trimble for their work in Northern Ireland and in the Good Friday agreement? > Not trivial, but possible. All the more reason to go with genetic > sampling. Riiiiiiiight. So, the US government already has on file all the genetic samples of all the terrorists in the world. Jeez, just how stupid are you? > As far as national defense is concerned, it comes at a price. If it's > money rather than lives, let it be money. The price is liberty, specifically liberty that is lost. See my .sig. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 16:40:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DEE16A4CE for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:40:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell.webmaster.com (mail.webmaster.com [216.152.64.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC08943D5E for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:40:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from davids@webmaster.com) Received: from however ([206.171.168.138]) by shell.webmaster.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id com; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:40:10 -0800 From: "David Schwartz" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_=22Sm=F8rgrav=22?= , "Gary W. Swearingen" Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:40:19 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2055 cc: Rahul Siddharthan cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: RE: New Open Source License: Single Supplier Open Source License X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 00:40:24 -0000 > underway@comcast.net (Gary W. Swearingen) writes: > > Rahul Siddharthan writes: > > > You don't require its permission for that. If you legally have a copy > > > of it, you can do what you like to it, just as if you legally > > > purchased a book, you may scribble on its margins. > > You are wrong. If you legally have a copy of it, you can do what you > > agreed to do with it, else you've violated your copyright license > > agreement to copy, derive, and/or and publish. > No. The right to modify etc. that the law grants you cannot be > repealed by the license; if the license says you can't modify or > reverse-engineer the software (for your own use), the license is wrong > and unenforceable. Likewise if it says you can't publish reviews or > benchmarks without the author's permission. Note that, at least in the United States, this is true only if the license is truly a license and not actually a contract. Most EULAs, for example, are really contracts not licenses. The GPL is in fact a license. So it can't take away any right that you would otherwise have. Contracts can. It seems, however, that a contract can remove any rights that you might have otherwise had. This assumes that you agreed to the contract as a condition of lawfully receiving the work. Since this is not the case with the GPL (and most other OS licenses), they aren't contracts. They are licenses and all they can do is grant you rights as a 'gift' from the copyright holder. To a lot of people, I think 'open source' just means that if you can get the binary, you can get the source too and you can, if you wish, modify that source code to do what you want it to do. This does provide the crux benefits of open source -- transparency and flexibility. DS From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 23:51:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C835C16A4CE for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:51:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-out2.xs4all.nl (smtp-out2.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B2343D48 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:51:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sirano_de_berzherak@hotmail.com) Received: from list1.xs4all.nl (list1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.52]) by smtp-out2.xs4all.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0R7p9JC017251 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:51:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from list1.xs4all.nl (localhost.xs4all.nl [127.0.0.1]) by list1.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0R7p4F7004345 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:51:09 +0100 (CET) Received: (from root@localhost) by list1.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id i0R7p4LX004342; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:51:04 +0100 (CET) From: "The Last Road Warrior" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Via: news2mail at list1.xs4all.nl Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:51:03 +0100 Message-ID: <40161865$0$318$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> Subject: mount_smbfs X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:51:17 -0000 I want to connect with FreeBSD 5.1 to a Windows XP share, but I'v got the following message from FreeBSD: syserr = cannot allocate memory Why do I get this message? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 27 01:41:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A370716A4CF; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:41:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A26F43D54; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:41:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 7B371530A; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:40:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 726365308; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:40:40 +0100 (CET) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 0825533C6A; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:40:40 +0100 (CET) To: Matthew Will References: <1075166798.51606.3.camel@localhost> <40160214.1080605@spingen.com> From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:40:39 +0100 In-Reply-To: <40160214.1080605@spingen.com> (Matthew Will's message of "Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:15:48 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: ss X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK, RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.61 cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: invalid dates in mailing list. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:41:43 -0000 [moved from -current to -chat] Matthew Will writes: > Mark Sergeant wrote: > > Is it just me or are a bunch of emails coming through from November 2003 > No it is not just you, I have recieved quite a few today. It was the only way we could think of to reverse last year's trend of declining mailing list traffic ;) DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 27 05:19:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8146916A4CE; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 05:19:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89E8043D41; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 05:19:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD53F3D28; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:19:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=" , owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:19:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <40161F14.11468.543FC7C@localhost> Priority: normal References: <40160214.1080605@spingen.com> (Matthew Will's message of "Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:15:48 -0500") In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: invalid dates in mailing list. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:19:34 -0000 On 27 Jan 2004 at 10:40, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > [moved from -current to -chat] > > Matthew Will writes: > > Mark Sergeant wrote: > > > Is it just me or are a bunch of emails coming through from November = 2003 > > No it is not just you, I have recieved quite a few today. > > It was the only way we could think of to reverse last year's trend of > declining mailing list traffic ;) This has been noticed on a number of mailing lists. From what I've seen so far, there have been no duplicates. These are message which were "held" somewhere. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 27 05:33:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2900216A4CE for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 05:33:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from tx0.oucs.ox.ac.uk (tx0.oucs.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB9C543D5D for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 05:32:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk) Received: from scan0.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([129.67.1.162] helo=localhost) by tx0.oucs.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AlTJz-0002YG-ED for chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:32:03 +0000 Received: from rx0.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([129.67.1.161]) by localhost (scan0.oucs.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.162]) (amavisd-new, port 25) with ESMTP id 09647-04 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:32:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gateway.wadham.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.161.253]) by rx0.oucs.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AlTJz-0002Y8-0o for chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:32:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 10746 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jan 2004 13:32:03 -0000 Received: from colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk by gateway by uid 71 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (sweep: 2.14/3.71. spamassassin: 2.53. Clear:. Processed in 2.432212 secs); 27 Jan 2004 13:32:03 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk via gateway X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.16 (Clear:. Processed in 2.432212 secs) Received: from dhcp1131.wadham.ox.ac.uk (HELO piii600.wadham.ox.ac.uk) (163.1.161.131) by gateway.wadham.ox.ac.uk with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 13:32:00 -0000 Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.1.20040127132907.0463e898@imap.sfu.ca> X-Sender: cperciva@imap.sfu.ca (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:31:54 +0000 To: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) From: Colin Percival In-Reply-To: References: <1075166798.51606.3.camel@localhost> <40160214.1080605@spingen.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: invalid dates in mailing list. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:33:33 -0000 At 09:40 27/01/2004, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: >It was the only way we could think of to reverse last year's trend of >declining mailing list traffic ;) I'm afraid this isn't quite clear: Are you trying to ensure that 2004 has more mailing list traffic than 2003, or are you trying to increase the 2003 statistics to push them above the 2002 statistics? Colin Percival From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 27 13:07:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0226F16A4CE for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:07:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from internet.potentialtech.com (h-66-167-251-6.PHLAPAFG.covad.net [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3D943D82 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:07:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from potentialtech.com (pa-plum-cmts1e-68-68-113-33.pittpa.adelphia.net [68.68.113.33]) by internet.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3947D69A63 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:05:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4016D2A1.9060205@potentialtech.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:05:37 -0500 From: Bill Moran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031005 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: SCSI to ATA adapter? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:07:49 -0000 This sounds crazy ... I've never heard of such a thing, but every time I tell someone that it doesn't exist, I find out that someone has gone and made one ... Has anyone ever seen such a piece of hardware? Seems like a silly thing to do, but I can imagine that putting some sort of converter chip in between would make it possible. Do they exist? -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 27 13:14:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571B116A4CE for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:14:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1upmc-msximc2.isdip.upmc.edu (1upmc-msximc2.isdip.upmc.edu [128.147.18.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 802F743D64 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:13:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from personrp@ccbh.com) Received: by 1upmc-msximc2.isdip.upmc.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:12:21 -0500 Message-ID: <4BA256918ACE7449BD7896E65711C88B01FB1144@1UPMC-MSX8.isdip.upmc.edu> From: "Person, Roderick" To: 'Bill Moran' , chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:12:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: RE: SCSI to ATA adapter? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:14:40 -0000 Well I never heard of anything like that. Why would you want to do that?? Since I was on ebay, I did a search and nothing came up. I did just buy 2 SCA 80 pin to 68/50 pin adapters maybe that what they are meaning. Roderick Person Programmer personrp@ccbh.com http://www.ccbh.com "The need for maintenance and support is a bug, not a feature." - Amanda Walker > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Moran [mailto:wmoran@potentialtech.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 4:06 PM > To: chat@freebsd.org > Subject: SCSI to ATA adapter? > > > This sounds crazy ... > > I've never heard of such a thing, but every time I tell > someone that it doesn't > exist, I find out that someone has gone and made one ... > > Has anyone ever seen such a piece of hardware? Seems like a > silly thing to do, > but I can imagine that putting some sort of converter chip in > between would > make it possible. Do they exist? > > -- > Bill Moran > Potential Technologies > http://www.potentialtech.com > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 27 13:21:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26D416A4CE for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:21:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from internet.potentialtech.com (h-66-167-251-6.PHLAPAFG.covad.net [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6643043D41 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:21:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from potentialtech.com (pa-plum-cmts1e-68-68-113-33.pittpa.adelphia.net [68.68.113.33]) by internet.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E043769A63; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:19:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4016D5F6.2050106@potentialtech.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:19:50 -0500 From: Bill Moran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031005 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Person, Roderick" References: <4BA256918ACE7449BD7896E65711C88B01FB1144@1UPMC-MSX8.isdip.upmc.edu> In-Reply-To: <4BA256918ACE7449BD7896E65711C88B01FB1144@1UPMC-MSX8.isdip.upmc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SCSI to ATA adapter? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:21:37 -0000 Person, Roderick wrote: > Well I never heard of anything like that. Why would you want to do that?? Well, I don't. But a customer asked, so I figured I'd make sure before I told him "no". > Since I was on ebay, I did a search and nothing came up. I did just buy > 2 SCA 80 pin to 68/50 pin adapters maybe that what they are meaning. I'll double-check. But this fellow is smart enough that he probably means what he said, and he said ATA to SCSI. Thanks for the reply. > Roderick Person > Programmer > personrp@ccbh.com > http://www.ccbh.com > > > "The need for maintenance and support is a bug, not a feature." > - Amanda Walker > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Moran [mailto:wmoran@potentialtech.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 4:06 PM > > To: chat@freebsd.org > > Subject: SCSI to ATA adapter? > > > > > > This sounds crazy ... > > > > I've never heard of such a thing, but every time I tell > > someone that it doesn't > > exist, I find out that someone has gone and made one ... > > > > Has anyone ever seen such a piece of hardware? Seems like a > > silly thing to do, > > but I can imagine that putting some sort of converter chip in > > between would > > make it possible. Do they exist? -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 27 16:15:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F8416A4CF for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:15:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net (smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920E843D48 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:15:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from midget.dons.net.au (ppp37-107.lns1.adl1.internode.on.net [150.101.37.107])i0S0FqxC090892; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:45:52 +1030 (CST) Received: from chowder.gsoft.com.au (root@localhost.dons.net.au [127.0.0.1]) by midget.dons.net.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0S0FnnY006865; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:45:50 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Bill Moran , chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:45:48 +1030 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <4016D2A1.9060205@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <4016D2A1.9060205@potentialtech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401281045.48243.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: -5 () IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_KMAIL X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.26 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Subject: Re: SCSI to ATA adapter? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:15:58 -0000 On Wednesday 28 January 2004 07:35, Bill Moran wrote: > This sounds crazy ... > > I've never heard of such a thing, but every time I tell someone that it > doesn't exist, I find out that someone has gone and made one ... > > Has anyone ever seen such a piece of hardware? Seems like a silly thing to > do, but I can imagine that putting some sort of converter chip in between > would make it possible. Do they exist? Try here -> http://www.acard.com/eng/menu/scside_hot.html ie plug an IDE disk into a SCSI controller. They range from US$59 to US$99 on their web site depending on options. Here's another lot that sell them http://scsi2ide.com/ though they seem more expensive. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 28 08:47:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF61A16A4CE for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:47:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (duey.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6036D43D2F for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:47:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106611FE79; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:47:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (duey.wolves.k12.mo.us [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 46185-01-37; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:47:38 -0600 (CST) Received: by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 711131FE68; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:47:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0611A927; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:47:38 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:47:38 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: "Person, Roderick" In-Reply-To: <4BA256918ACE7449BD7896E65711C88B01FB1144@1UPMC-MSX8.isdip.upmc.edu> Message-ID: <20040128103523.X46478@duey.wolves.k12.mo.us> References: <4BA256918ACE7449BD7896E65711C88B01FB1144@1UPMC-MSX8.isdip.upmc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at wolves.k12.mo.us cc: chat@freebsd.org cc: 'Bill Moran' Subject: RE: SCSI to ATA adapter? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:47:54 -0000 On Tue, 27 Jan 2004, Person, Roderick wrote: > Well I never heard of anything like that. Why would you want to do > that?? The main use for these adapters is for ATA CD-ROM readers and writers, ATA tape drives, and so on, to be able to attach them to a SCSI bus. This is exactly what I do at home with one particular device, my Yamaha CRW-F1 CD-R/RW drive. It is actually an ATA device with a removable SCSI->ATA adapter. This allows me to have the pseudo-SCSI CRW-F1, a real SCSI DVD-ROM drive, a real SCSI ZIP drive, and a real SCSI DDS3 tape drive all on one rounded SCSI cable, which makes for a pretty tidy case. And I can run all of them simultaneously without performance problems. :-) Using these adapters for ATA Hard Drives probably wouldn't be as advantageous, though it would still work with the proper adapter. -- Chris Dillon - cdillon(at)wolves.k12.mo.us FreeBSD: The fastest, most open, and most stable OS on the planet - Available for IA32, IA64, AMD64, PC98, Alpha, and UltraSPARC architectures - PowerPC, ARM, MIPS, and S/390 under development - http://www.freebsd.org Q: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. A: Why is putting a reply at the top of the message frowned upon? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 28 09:23:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB19F16A4CE for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:23:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from papagena.rockefeller.edu (papagena.rockefeller.edu [129.85.41.71]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C055643D58 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:23:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rsidd@papagena.rockefeller.edu) Received: from papagena.rockefeller.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) i0SHN7kk023672 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:23:07 -0500 Received: (from rsidd@localhost) by papagena.rockefeller.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0SHN7eC023670 for chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:23:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:23:07 -0500 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040128172307.GA23657@online.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <40161F14.11468.543FC7C@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.20-20.9smp i686 Subject: Re: invalid dates in mailing list. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:23:09 -0000 Coincident with the old messages on the lists, the list archives seem to be borked too: both the "old-style" archives http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/current/freebsd-current.html and the Mailman archives http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2004-January/thread.html stop on Jan 26, with only the old junk posted afterwards. Is it a coincidence or a related problem? I haven't seen any posts about it. Archives on other sites, eg http://marc.theaimsgroup.com, seem to be ok. Browsing that, I found a couple of questions on -doc about the archives, but no answers. Rahul From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 30 00:01:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 586B416A4CE for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:01:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (defout.telus.net [199.185.220.240]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF84143D2F for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:01:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cpressey@catseye.mine.nu) Received: from catseye.biscuit.boo ([207.81.17.215]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.netSMTP <20040130080155.QTVB28240.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@catseye.biscuit.boo>; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 01:01:55 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:06:10 -0800 From: Chris Pressey To: "Paul A. Hoadley" Message-Id: <20040130000610.3809be06.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> In-Reply-To: <20040130070435.GA12066@grover.logicsquad.net> References: <20040130065605.9623.qmail@web12907.mail.yahoo.com> <20040130070435.GA12066@grover.logicsquad.net> Organization: Cat's Eye Technologies X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.8a (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: pldsoftlist@yahoo.com cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: about logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:01:57 -0000 [redirected to freebsd-chat@] On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:34:35 +1030 "Paul A. Hoadley" wrote: > On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 10:56:05PM -0800, Bubble Gum wrote: > > > I just want to ask (i'm sorry if it's a silly question),why freebsd > > logo use "devil" character? > > It's not a devil. It's a daemon. > > http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html But you have to admit, glib explanations notwithstanding, that our beloved Beastie *is* a devil. I mean, I sincerely doubt that the ancient Greeks envisioned daemons to be red-skinned horned things with pointy tails, carrying pitchforks. Whereas who can dispute that the modern devil image in western culture *does* entail those features? So I feel that there's a certain amount of sophistry in this oft-repeated apologia - and it's beginning to annoy me just a little. Now, if anyone has a *problem* with Beastie being a devil, that's a completely different issue... -Chris From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 30 00:18:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F7216A4CE for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:18:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.cyclades.de (mail.cyclades.de [62.225.173.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914BB43D41 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:18:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mh@kernel32.de) Received: from pd9517f2a.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.81.127.42] helo=kernel32.de) by www.cyclades.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AmTrB-00037A-00; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:18:29 +0100 Message-ID: <401A133A.7020900@kernel32.de> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:18:02 +0100 From: Marian Hettwer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031115 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Pressey References: <20040130065605.9623.qmail@web12907.mail.yahoo.com> <20040130070435.GA12066@grover.logicsquad.net> <20040130000610.3809be06.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> In-Reply-To: <20040130000610.3809be06.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: cc: pldsoftlist@yahoo.com cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: about logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:18:46 -0000 Hej Chris, Chris Pressey wrote: >> >>It's not a devil. It's a daemon. >> >>http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html > > > But you have to admit, glib explanations notwithstanding, that our > beloved Beastie *is* a devil. > It may be a demon too. Not daemon, but demon. In Ferry Tales, often a demon is used instead of the devil himself. But devil equals demon in that case, so therefor, right, our Beastie is a devil ;) My own Opinion ! > I mean, I sincerely doubt that the ancient Greeks envisioned daemons to > be red-skinned horned things with pointy tails, carrying pitchforks. > true. > Whereas who can dispute that the modern devil image in western culture > *does* entail those features? > true again. Ferrytail beasts / demons entail those features too ;) > So I feel that there's a certain amount of sophistry in this > oft-repeated apologia - and it's beginning to annoy me just a little. > true too ... > Now, if anyone has a *problem* with Beastie being a devil, that's a > completely different issue... > correct :) My explanation is that it's only a picture of a unix daemon runnig with a fork. You have some unix words, and how to give these words a cute picture ? Right, paint a devil with a pitchfork - that's it. And let's call him Chuck, 'cause he's wearing Chuck All Stars shoes ;) Am I wrong ?! rgrds, Marian From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 30 04:42:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115A816A4CE for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 04:42:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDAD43D4C for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 04:42:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 48B2E530A; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:42:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 42EB75308; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:42:42 +0100 (CET) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id E101133C6A; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:42:41 +0100 (CET) To: Marian Hettwer References: <20040130065605.9623.qmail@web12907.mail.yahoo.com> <20040130070435.GA12066@grover.logicsquad.net> <20040130000610.3809be06.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> <401A133A.7020900@kernel32.de> From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:42:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: <401A133A.7020900@kernel32.de> (Marian Hettwer's message of "Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:18:02 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: ss X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK, RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.61 cc: Chris Pressey cc: pldsoftlist@yahoo.com cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: about logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:42:57 -0000 Marian Hettwer writes: > My explanation is that it's only a picture of a unix daemon runnig > with a fork. You have some unix words, and how to give these words a > cute picture ? Right, paint a devil with a pitchfork - that's it. And > let's call him Chuck, 'cause he's wearing Chuck All Stars shoes ;) It has no gender, and its name is most certainly not Chuck. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 30 08:34:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E8A16A4CE for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:34:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mavra.perilith.com (net-6621941-218.customer.corenap.com [66.219.41.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A53743D46 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:34:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aard@perilith.com) Received: by mavra.perilith.com (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 768011004BA1; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:33:29 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:33:29 -0600 From: a clever sheep To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040130163329.GC9412@mavra.perilith.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: special-delivery User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Subject: "www.sco.com is a wmd" | depenguinator | weird X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:34:34 -0000 this is by far the strangest netcraft article i've seen. it does mention freebsd, in what could be construed as a positive light (i think): http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/01/30/wwwscocom_is_a_weapon_of_mass_destruction.html and it mentions colin percival and depenguinator! -- aard@perilith.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 30 09:06:00 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC79D16A4CE for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:06:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from tx2.oucs.ox.ac.uk (tx2.oucs.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CB043D5F for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:05:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk) Received: from scan2.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.162] helo=localhost) by tx2.oucs.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Amc4N-0002mQ-M9 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:04:39 +0000 Received: from rx2.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.161]) by localhost (scan2.oucs.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.162]) (amavisd-new, port 25) with ESMTP id 10309-09 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:04:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gateway.wadham.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.161.253]) by rx2.oucs.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Amc4N-0002mI-8i for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:04:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 28067 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jan 2004 17:04:39 -0000 Received: from colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk by gateway by uid 71 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (sweep: 2.14/3.71. spamassassin: 2.53. Clear:. Processed in 1.715123 secs); 30 Jan 2004 17:04:39 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk via gateway X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.16 (Clear:. Processed in 1.715123 secs) Received: from dhcp1131.wadham.ox.ac.uk (HELO piii600.wadham.ox.ac.uk) (163.1.161.131) by gateway.wadham.ox.ac.uk with SMTP; 30 Jan 2004 17:04:37 -0000 Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.1.20040130164156.03da6370@imap.sfu.ca> X-Sender: cperciva@imap.sfu.ca (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:03:40 +0000 To: a clever sheep From: Colin Percival In-Reply-To: <20040130163329.GC9412@mavra.perilith.com> References: <20040130163329.GC9412@mavra.perilith.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "www.sco.com is a wmd" | depenguinator | weird X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:06:01 -0000 At 16:33 30/01/2004, a clever sheep wrote: >this is by far the strangest netcraft article i've seen. it does >mention freebsd, in what could be construed as a positive light (i >think): > >http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/01/30/wwwscocom_is_a_weapon_of_mass_destruction.html > >and it mentions colin percival and depenguinator! Yes, I noticed incoming traffic from there about 3 hours ago. It's definitely a wierd story. Also wierd is the fact that everyone's treating this like it's going to kill SCO's web site. It might, but only if they're idiots (which, admittedly, they often seem to be). Identifying infected systems is easy; the HTTP requests they send are distinctive. Filtering packets by source IP is easy. Once you can filter the packets, this DDoS isn't a problem: Send them to LaBrea, and the total bandwidth consumption of 500,000 MyDoom worms should be around 85 Mbps -- which SCO should certainly be able to afford. (Meanwhile, they'll be putting together a very complete list of IP addresses of infected machines.) Colin Percival From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 30 09:31:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655D216A4CE for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:31:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423B443D64 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:30:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:30:53 -0600 Message-ID: <401A949F.7030605@daleco.biz> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:30:07 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031124 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: a clever sheep References: <20040130163329.GC9412@mavra.perilith.com> In-Reply-To: <20040130163329.GC9412@mavra.perilith.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2004 17:30:54.0421 (UTC) FILETIME=[D049D850:01C3E756] cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "www.sco.com is a wmd" | depenguinator | weird X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:31:04 -0000 a clever sheep wrote: >this is by far the strangest netcraft article i've seen. it does >mention freebsd, in what could be construed as a positive light (i >think): > >http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/01/30/wwwscocom_is_a_weapon_of_mass_destruction.html > >and it mentions colin percival and depenguinator! > > > Well, yes, it's a tad strange for Netcraft. "Posted by mhp at January 30, 2004 12:33 PM " But, heck, it's not a bad write for a half hour over lunch!! KDK P.S. No one in the Internet community should assume by this posting that I wrote the *&%^$% thing!! ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 1 11:12:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7030C16A4CE for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:12:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.cyclades.de (mail.cyclades.de [62.225.173.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C6143D5D for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:11:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mh@kernel32.de) Received: from pd9e0e0d3.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.224.224.211] helo=kernel32.de) by www.cyclades.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AnLSa-0007NY-00; Sun, 01 Feb 2004 18:32:40 +0100 Message-ID: <401D37EC.9060306@kernel32.de> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 18:31:24 +0100 From: Marian Hettwer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031115 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= References: <20040130065605.9623.qmail@web12907.mail.yahoo.com> <20040130070435.GA12066@grover.logicsquad.net> <20040130000610.3809be06.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> <401A133A.7020900@kernel32.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: cc: Chris Pressey cc: pldsoftlist@yahoo.com cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: about logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 19:12:05 -0000 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > Marian Hettwer writes: >=20 >>My explanation is that it's only a picture of a unix daemon runnig >>with a fork. You have some unix words, and how to give these words a >>cute picture ? Right, paint a devil with a pitchfork - that's it. And >>let's call him Chuck, 'cause he's wearing Chuck All Stars shoes ;) >=20 >=20 > It has no gender, and its name is most certainly not Chuck. > I was wrong with Chuck. I read on mckusick's homepage, that he's not=20 called Chuck. However, A demon / beast / devil don't needs a gender ... - Marian From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 2 07:13:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5926316A4CE; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 07:13:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92A943D39; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 07:13:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE84B3D28; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 10:12:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 10:12:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <401E22A9.3961.249287D5@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: conference registration project : helpers wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 15:13:24 -0000 Hi folks, I've been looking around at the conference systems which are now available. I have been offered the use of existing systems, but I think we have a opportunity here to create something for our own use and mutual benefit. Yesterday at the OSW meeting I volunteered to create a registration system for OSW (http://www.osw.ca/). It will be an open source project, free for anyone to use. I have already drawn up some preliminary specs, and tossed together a database diagram. My tools of choice: PHP and PostgreSQL. What I want to tackle first is: - user registration - talks - locations (where is the talk) - speakers (who is giving this talk) >From this information, a website can create a page with talks, a page with the speakers and their biographies, and a page with the location on it (complete with maps). Each page contains links to the others. This is my primary short term goal. Dynamic web page content. Anyone wishing to get involved, please speak up. If you want to learn PHP/PostgreSQL, this is an ideal opportunity. The project has very small distinct tasks which will take a few hours to complete (i.e. one evening). Thanks -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ BSDCan - http://www.bsdcan.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 2 12:30:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4FE16A4CE; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:30:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from crf-consulting.co.uk (82-44-220-218.cable.ubr10.haye.blueyonder.co.uk [82.44.220.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9976F43D55; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:30:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@freebsd.org) Received: from [192.168.1.150] ([192.168.1.150])i12KUCJ6073205; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:30:12 GMT (envelope-from nik@freebsd.org) In-Reply-To: <401E22A9.3961.249287D5@localhost> References: <401E22A9.3961.249287D5@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-1-809834870" Message-Id: <920BCAE9-55BE-11D8-AADF-000393863D48@freebsd.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Nik Clayton Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:29:58 +0000 To: "Dan Langille" X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.0 (v30, 10.3) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) cc: advocacy@freebsd.org cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: conference registration project : helpers wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:30:22 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1-809834870 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On 2 Feb 2004, at 15:12, Dan Langille wrote: > I've been looking around at the conference systems which are now > available. Which ones? I dug out: http://www.acm.org/sigs/sgb/summary.html which has a list with lots of associated info. There's also http://yapcom.pti.co.il/ Which the Israel.pm group is writing to help run the various Perl conferences around the world which might also be interesting. N --Apple-Mail-1-809834870 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFAHrNOk6gHZCw343URAs3bAJ9g4M71ZMtn9VNJKDMWoUu+qmButgCZAd42 +XXjdU1gLftUKr4FCisbDfM= =a3Sr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-1-809834870-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 2 12:37:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2305C16A4CE; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:37:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72EEC43D31; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:37:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459A43D28; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:37:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: Nik Clayton Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 15:37:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <401E6ED2.3982.25BC11A2@localhost> Priority: normal References: <401E22A9.3961.249287D5@localhost> In-reply-to: <920BCAE9-55BE-11D8-AADF-000393863D48@freebsd.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: advocacy@freebsd.org cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: conference registration project : helpers wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:37:58 -0000 On 2 Feb 2004 at 20:29, Nik Clayton wrote: > > On 2 Feb 2004, at 15:12, Dan Langille wrote: > > I've been looking around at the conference systems which are now > > available. > > Which ones? I dug out: > > http://www.acm.org/sigs/sgb/summary.html > > which has a list with lots of associated info. I found the same list. There's no mention of PHP or PostgreSQL there. And more importantly, only two of them have conference registration. > There's also > > http://yapcom.pti.co.il/ > > Which the Israel.pm group is writing to help run the various Perl > conferences around the world which might also be interesting. There's this little voice in my head telling me that's not going to be using PHP. ;) Thank you. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ BSDCan - http://www.bsdcan.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 2 13:02:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6583616A4CE; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 13:02:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B5B43D2D; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 13:02:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 8622514711; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:02:17 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:02:17 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Linimon X-X-Sender: linimon@pancho To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Any interest in a FreeBSD user group in Austin, TX? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:02:18 -0000 If so, email me directly (no need to respond to the lists). So far the first "meeting" was me and two other guys at a local brewpub :-) mcl From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 2 17:33:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE0F16A4CE; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:33:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from kurush.osdn.org.ua (external.osdn.org.ua [212.40.34.156]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11FB543D31; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:33:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from never@kurush.osdn.org.ua) Received: from kurush.osdn.org.ua (never@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kurush.osdn.org.ua (8.12.6p3/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i131X2q3022862; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 03:33:02 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from never@kurush.osdn.org.ua) Received: (from never@localhost) by kurush.osdn.org.ua (8.12.6p3/8.12.6/Submit) id i131X2lw022859; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 03:33:02 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from never) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 03:33:02 +0200 From: Alexandr Kovalenko To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040203013302.GA16840@nevermind.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Benchmark Competition for Open Source Operating System X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 01:33:05 -0000 Please, take a look at this challange - we (FreeBSD Community and tuning gurus ;>) should take part at this benchmark! http://osuosl.org/benchmarks/bc/ -- NEVE-RIPE, will build world for food Ukrainian FreeBSD User Group http://uafug.org.ua/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 3 12:20:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5111416A4CE for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:20:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from r0.zabco.net (r0.zabco.net [207.176.130.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5055043D41 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:20:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bounce@alentus.com) Received: from ns52 (ns52.zabco.net [207.176.137.12]) by r0.zabco.net (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id i13KKgU58557 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:20:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bounce@alentus.com) Message-ID: <1048810526-22004223193156343@alentus.com> X-EM-Version: 6, 0, 1, 0 X-EM-Registration: #00B06306109813000D50 X-Sender: bounce@alentus.com X-MailPersonHistoryID: 547 X-MailPersonSubscriberID: 96232 X-MailPersonEmail: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: "SQL-Server-Performance.Com" To: "Joseph Mallett" Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:31:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: SQL-Server-Performance.Com Newsletter -- February 3, 2004 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:20:54 -0000 ================================================================= **SQL-Server-Performance.Com Newsletter** ================================================================= February 3, 2004 ================================================================= Editor: Brad M. 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If you need to modify the database, you can also turn the setting off, make your change, then turn it back on. [6.5, 7.0, 2000] ***** When "auto create statistics" is turned on for a database (which it is by default), statistics are automatically created on all columns used in the WHERE clause of a query. This occurs when a query is optimized by the Query Optimizer for the first time, assuming the column doesn't already have statistics created for it. The addition of column statistics can greatly aid the Query Optimizer so that it can create an optimum execution plan for the query. If this option is turned off, then missing column statistics are not automatically created, when can mean that the Query Optimizer may not be able to produce the optimum execution plan, and the query's performance may suffer. You can still manually create column statistics if you like, even when this option is turned off. There is really no down-side to using this option. The very first time that column statistics are created, there will be a short delay as they are created before the query runs the first time, causing the query to potentially take a little longer to run. But once the column statistics have been created, each time the same query runs, it should now run more efficiently than if the statistics did not exist in the first place. [7.0, 2000] ***** To provide the up-to-date statistics the query optimizer needs to make smart query optimization decisions, you will generally want to leave the "auto update statistics" database option on (the default setting). This helps to ensure that the optimizer statistics are valid, helping to ensure that queries are properly optimized when they are run. But this option is not a panacea. When a SQL Server database is under very heavy load, sometimes the auto update statistics feature can update the statistics on large tables at inappropriate times, such as the busiest time of the day. If you find that the auto update statistics feature is running at inappropriate times, you may want to turn it off, and then manually update the statistics (using UPDATE STATISTICS) when the database is under a less heavy load. But again, consider what will happen if you do turn off the auto update statistics feature. While turning this feature off may reduce some stress on your server by not running at inappropriate times of the day, it could also cause some of your queries not to be properly optimized, which could also put extra stress on your server during busy times. Like many optimization issues, you will probably need to experiment to see if turning this option on or off is more effective for your environment. But as a rule of thumb, if your server is not maxed out, then leaving this option on is probably the best decision. [7.0, 2000] ***** Many databases need to be shrunk periodically in order to free up disk space as older data is deleted from the database. But don't be tempted to use the "auto shrink" database option, as it can waste SQL Server resources unnecessarily. By default, the auto_shrink option is turned off, which means that the only way to free up empty space in a database is to do so manually. If you turn it on, SQL Server will then check every 30 minutes to see if it needs to shrink the database. Not only does this use up resources that could better be used elsewhere, it also can cause unexpected bottlenecks in your database when the auto_shrink process kicks in and does its work. If you need to shrink databases periodically, perform this step manually using the DBCC SHRINKDATABASE or DBCC SHRINKFILE commands, or you can use the SQL Server Agent or create a Database Maintenance Plan to schedule regular file shrinking. [7.0, 2000] ***** This "auto close" database option is designed for use with the Desktop version of SQL Server 7.0 and 2000, not for the server versions. Because of this, it should not be turned on. What this option does is to close the database when the last database user disconnects from the database. When a connection requests access to the database, then the database has to be reopened, which takes time and overhead. The problem with this is that if the database is accessed frequently, which is the most likely case, then the database may have to close and reopened often, which puts a large performance drag on SQL Server and the applications or users making the connection. [7.0, 2000] ================================================================= **Sponsor's Message** ================================================================= VISUAL JOB MANAGEMENT FOR SQL SERVER IS HERE! Introducing SQL SENTRY, a new look at job management that brings you unprecedented scheduling, monitoring, alerting and reporting: SCHEDULING: Intuitive, Outlook-style calendar view of your job schedules. 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We have also changed the rules for the forum contest, making it even easier for participants to win. To find out about this contest, and how you can participate, please visit this webpage: http://www.sql-server-performance.com/ ================================================================= ================================================================= There are only three ways you could have received this e-mail, and that is to have subscribed to it, joined our forum, or to have received it from a friend who forwarded it to you. This is a 100% opt-in newsletter. To learn how to advertise in this publication, visit: http://www.sql-server-performance.com/sponsor_information.asp To subscribe to this newsletter, visit: http://www.sql-server-performance.com/subscribe_newsletter.asp To unsubscribe to this newsletter, or to change your e-mail address, click on this URL. ================================================================= Copyright 2004 Brad M. McGehee. 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Bringing together two families isn't easy, either. In-law conflicts have been the subject of some great books and movies, and my experiences would be great fodder for either. When I met my future father-in-law, his first words to me were, "So, when are you leaving?" To which I replied (I was forewarned about his sarcasm by my future fiancee), "In an hour, and I'll take my dinner plate in the garage, thank you." In the years since that first meeting, I've witnessed (or participated in) an angry car race to the grocery store after a dispute about tortilla chips, arguments between people in complete agreement on an issue considered in dispute, and overnight accommodations that make sleeping in your car an attractive alternative. Unchecked craziness like this in business could be catastrophic. developerWorks understands this, and is here to help. See the item this week entitled, "Merging disparate IT systems, Part 1: Introduction and overview." You'll find plenty of other useful items, including this week's Cranky user column, which has a few things to say about Web social etiquette. I wouldn't want to give the impression that we don't get along in my extended family. We've learned to enjoy individual customized chip bowls, agree to agree, and give up our bedrooms for our overnight guests. Our couch is more comfortable anyway. Until next time, Scott Laningham The IBM developerWorks team mailto:dwnews@us.ibm.com RSS feed See all our RSS feed options, including the one for this newsletter, on the dW RSS feed page. (Updated on Fridays.) http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rss/?ca=dnt-55 ::: New Linux and Windows trial code available on DVD ::: We refreshed and expanded the IBM developerWorks Software Evaluation Kit (SEK) to include both Linux and Windows evaluation software on two DVDs (over 8 GB of code at no charge). 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Get started today. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/nlrd-2004/r-t55b.html ======================================================================== Table of contents TUTORIALS | Encrypt data within mobile apps; Integrating apps with Web services using WebSphere Studio; Build Web services interoperability with WSDK V5.1 WEB SERVICES | Web services versioning JAVA TECHNOLOGY ZONE | Transforming classes on-the-fly; The Servlet API meets NIO LINUX ZONE | Migrate your apps from OS/2 to Linux, Part 1; Rexx for everyone XML ZONE | A survey of XML standards, Part 2; Use language-specific tools for XML processing GRID COMPUTING | Index grid services using Globus Toolkit 3.0 SCENARIOS FOR E-BUSINESS ON DEMAND | Merging disparate IT systems, Part 1 WIRELESS TECHNOLOGY | Secrets of the wireless elite: Kristian Segerstrale WEB ARCHITECTURE | Prevent a cross-site scripting attack; The cranky user: You don't exist. Go away LINKS TO MORE GOOD STUFF | Newsletters; Web sites ======================================================================== TUTORIALS OF THE WEEK | Encrypt data within mobile apps; Integrating apps with Web services using WebSphere Studio; Build Web services interoperability with WSDK V5.1 ::: Encrypt data within mobile apps ::: The importance of developing for security hasn't waned -- there still aren't enough foolproof ways to ensure it. In this handy tutorial, you'll employ the open standard Bouncy Castle to encrypt mobile MIDlet applications. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/edu/wi-dw-wi-encrypt-i.html?ca=dnt-55 ::: Integrating apps with Web services using WebSphere Studio ::: WebSphere Studio V5 eases the pain of integrating Web services with your application. This tutorial looks at making your application Web- services ready using WebSphere Studio's tools to wrap an existing application as a Web service, announce it using a UDDI directory, and to discover and use Web services within your applications. It also looks at how to deploy your application to a WebSphere Application Server. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/nlrd-2004/r-t55a.html ::: Tutorial: Build Web services interoperability with WSDK V5.1 ::: Interoperability is one of the great promises made by the Web services architecture. This is the ability for different applications to work together, even though they are running on different operating systems, on different hardware architectures, and using different application infrastructures. In a continuation of the WSDK tutorial series, this tutorial demonstrates Web services interoperability, specifically between Microsoft .NET Web service clients and IBM WSDK Web services. The authors will use Microsoft Visual C# and the Microsoft .NET Framework SDK Version 1.1 to demonstrate the process of creating simple .NET Web service clients against earlier examples from this tutorial series. http://ibm.com/developerworks/edu/ws-dw-ws-interop51-i.html?ca=dnt-55 ======================================================================== WEB SERVICES | Web services versioning http://www-136.ibm.com/developerworks/webservices/?ca=dnt-55 ::: Web services versioning ::: Correctly handling API versioning has been one of the most common problems in distributed system design for the past fifteen years. With the advent of Web Services we have some new features that we can take advantage of that can help alleviate the problem, but the brutal fact of the matter is that versioning has not been built into the Web Services architecture. In this brief discussion we will outline the problem, provide some template solutions, and discuss architectures and best practices for addressing the problem. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/ws-version/?ca=dnt-55 ======================================================================== JAVA TECHNOLOGY ZONE | Transforming classes on-the-fly; The Servlet API meets NIO http://www-136.ibm.com/developerworks/java/?ca=dnt-55 ::: Programming dynamics, Part 5: Transforming classes on-the-fly ::: After a short hiatus, Dennis Sosnoski is back with Part 5 of his "Java programming dynamics" series. You've seen previously how to write a program that transforms Java class files to change code behavior. In this installment, Dennis shows you how to combine transformation with the actual loading of classes using the Javassist framework, for flexible "just-in-time" aspect-oriented feature handling. This approach lets you decide what you want to change at runtime, and potentially make different modifications each time you run a program. Along the way you'll also get a deeper look at the general issues of classloading into the JVM. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/j-dyn0203.html?ca=dnt-55 ::: The Servlet API and NIO: Together at last ::: Think it's impossible to combine NIO and the Servlet API? Think again. In this article, Java developer Taylor Cowan shows you how to apply the producer/consumer model to consumer non-blocking I/O, thus easing the Servlet API into a whole new compatibility with NIO. In the process, you'll see what it takes to build an actual Servlet-based Web server that implements NIO; and you'll find out how that server stacks up against a standard Java I/O server (Tomcat 5.0) in an enterprise environment. http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/j-nioserver/?ca=dnt-55 ======================================================================== LINUX ZONE | Migrate your apps from OS/2 to Linux, Part 1; Rexx for everyone http://www-136.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/?ca=dnt-55 ::: Migrate your apps from OS/2 to Linux, Part 1 ::: IBM loves Linux. And why not? It's fast, it's reliable, it's coherent, and it's flexible -- in short, it's everything you want an operating system to be. It's also the recommended migration path for OS/2 users. In the first of a three-part series, ace IBM programmers describe the similarities and differences between OS/2 and Linux threading models, with an eye to easing your migration path. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-osmig1.html?ca=dnt-55 ::: Rexx for everyone ::: Lighter than Perl and mightier than shell scripting, Rexx can benefit the sysadmin and the developer alike. With a long and venerable history, it is also massively cross-platform, running on everything from mainframes to Linux to the Amiga to Mac OS X and Windows. Get started with this old favorite today with this introductory article by developer David Mertz on two popular Rexx implementations, Regina and NetRexx. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-rexx.html?ca=dnt-55 ======================================================================== XML ZONE | A survey of XML standards, Part 2; Use language-specific tools for XML processing http://www-136.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/?ca=dnt-55 ::: A survey of XML standards, Part 2 ::: Having trouble making sense of all those XML standards? It can be difficult for beginners to navigate the most important aspects of XML, and for users to keep track of new entries and changes in the space. In this series, Uche Ogbuji provides a guide to XML standards, including a wide range of recommended resources for further information. Part 2 focuses on XML processing technologies. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-stand2.html?ca=dnt-55 ::: Tip: Use language-specific tools for XML processing ::: DOM and SAX are the two best known systems for XML processing, but they are really compromises across programming languages. As such, they do not take advantage of any language's particular strengths. In this tip, columnist Uche Ogbuji reveals the advantages of XML processing APIs that are native to particular languages. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/x-tiplang.html?ca=dnt-55 ======================================================================== GRID COMPUTING | Index grid services using Globus Toolkit 3.0 http://www-136.ibm.com/developerworks/grid/?ca=dnt-55 ::: Index grid services using Globus Toolkit 3.0 ::: Learn how to set up the Index Service in Globus Toolkit 3 for static and dynamic indexing, and how to improve the reliability of the indexing. Sample code is included. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/gr-indexgrid/?ca=dnt-55 ======================================================================== SCENARIOS FOR E-BUSINESS ON DEMAND | Merging disparate IT systems, Part 1 http://www-136.ibm.com/developerworks/scenarios/?ca=dnt-55 ::: Merging disparate IT systems, Part 1: Introduction and overview ::: The WebSphere Platform System House team introduces you to a new e- business on demand scenario, focusing on two fictitious insurance companies involved in merging and managing two distributed and disparate IT infrastructures after a company acquisition. One company -- a 50-year- old well-established business with mainframe-based legacy IT systems -- acquires a new company with an Internet-based infrastructure. The collection of articles focuses on the development of a set of solutions that provides a rapid return on investment by exploiting a combination of process management and enterprise application integration. The goal is to provide a single integrated view to customers, employees, and business partners across the two companies with minimal disturbance to the exisiting legacy systems. Overview: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/i-merge.html?ca=dnt-55 Part 1: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/i-merge1/?ca=dnt-55 ======================================================================== WIRELESS TECHNOLOGY | Secrets of the wireless elite: Kristian Segerstrale http://www-136.ibm.com/developerworks/wireless/?ca=dnt-55 ::: Secrets of the wireless elite: Kristian Segerstrale ::: Ready! Set!...no go? Perhaps that app needs some more work. Developer Kristian Segerstrale shows off his EmuX J2ME emulator tool for testing mobile applications. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/wi-elite22/?ca=dnt-55 ======================================================================== WEB ARCHITECTURE | Prevent a cross-site scripting attack; The cranky user: You don't exist. Go away http://www-136.ibm.com/developerworks/web/?ca=dnt-55 ::: Prevent a cross-site scripting attack ::: Forge ahead without risking forgery, as this article explains the perils of cross-site scripting and how you can keep it from happening to your site. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/web/library/wa-secxss/?ca=dnt-55 ::: The cranky user: You don't exist. Go away. ::: Ever been treated like you don't exist? It's even worse when a computer dismisses your existence, because your physical presence makes no difference at all! 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