From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 14 05:02:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CAF816A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 05:02:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from anvil.dls.net (anvil.dls.net [209.242.10.148]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F8643D48 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 05:02:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from emailrob.com (216.145.235.98) by anvil.dls.net (MX V5.3 AnFj) with ESMTP; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:02:01 -0500 Message-ID: <40CD23D4.2000908@emailrob.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:04:36 -0500 From: rob_spellberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Robinson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Mark Linimon cc: chat@freebsd.org cc: Will Andrews Subject: Re: updated architectural feature chart X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 05:02:17 -0000 when i bought my palacial country estate here in mchenry county back in '97, i decided i didn't want to continue using the techniques that i had learned during years of dorm, apt and condo existence. so i bought steel uprights and beams from these people: http://www.globalindustrial.com/gcs/product/categoryInfo.web?options.parentCategoryKey=158&index=39&catSearchParams.categoryKey=1879&REQ_SUB_CAT=Steel+Shelving+ take a look at the fifth item down, 7' boltless steel shelving, 1500# capacity. click on the link to page 18 of the catalog to get the pdf. far left column, w/o decking, 5 shelves, 48" x 24", item # cq254432 [ hmm --- the price has gone up since '97; but, i digress ]. more is definitely relatively cheaper. it arrived a few days later on an 18-wheeler that pulled up to my driveway. thanks to my hand truck, the several trips from the road to the house was quick work. then i got into my pickup [ always get the eight-foot box even though it costs a little more; it's well worth it [ don't forget the box liner ] ] and drove to the big-box home-improvement place. of course, any reputable wood merchant will do. cdx plywood sheet, 48" x 96", 23/32"; the cheap stuff with knots. back home, i fired up the circular saw. each sheet became four panels, 23-3/4" x 47-3/4" [ that 1/4" --really-- helps! ]. remember, each rack has five shelves, so four racks to five sheets. now, the uprights were ok right off the truck [ voice of experience talking ]; but, the beams aren't always exactly straight even though they are pretty close. you may need a pliers to straighten the end where the rivet is located. just secure the beam in your armpit, use one hand to hold the end and torque, gently. you'll know it's right when the rivets slide into the slots easily. a steel mallet is very handy to lock the puppy into place; mine's a three-pounder. a second person to hold the uprights in place while you install the beams is nice, but not essential. i put a dozen of these things in the basement, another four in the garage and some others in a spare room. these babies are solid, although the 48" length does sag a tad under load. in my case, it's mostly books. could i have done it cheaper? heck, yeah! but i value reliability, which these supply. additionally, buying the steel saved me quite a bit of time. lumber for a wood frame would also cost money, so it's a trade-off. would i do it again? certainly, except for using the spare room; but that's for another day. i have ordered stuff from these folks since. they get the order right and it shows up reasonably soon [ i like slow, cheap shipping ]. of course, ymmv. hope this helps. look through the catalog for other solutions if what i did isn't right for you. comparison shop for price and performance. make appropriate changes to the specification for your locale. you get the idea. i recognize that you may be a city-dweller and that a truck and power tools may not be presently at the ready. no problem; just go out and buy what you need. you will experience the satisfaction of knowing that you are doing your part to support the global economy and, also, the truck will come in really handy the next time you move. for my next project, i think i'll come up with a way to relocate, in bulk, all of this excess water we have here in illinois/wisconsin [ will it --ever-- stop raining? the mosquitoes are the size of pterodactyls and it's only june. ] to a place that can really use it, like se wyoming. let's see. i'll need some reservoirs, some pipe and some really big pumps. mustn't forget the mosquito netting. ciao, rob On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Paul Robinson wrote: > On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 12:42:00AM -0400, Daniel Eischen wrote: > > > > I got a 24U rack from a salvage shop for $10. Bought three > > > shelves for the non-RM machines for $80 or so. Works great. :) > > > > Now that's what I'd love. We got dozen's of 19" racks at work, > > but they're not a pen or pencil. You try and take one home, > > someone will notice :( > > Oh, come now, that's not the enterprising spirit we want here. That sounds > like defeatism! Have you *tried* stealing one of the racks? I bet if you > went up to your manager and said "I'm going to steal one of the racks after > work tonight" he wouldn't believe you. If he does, convince him he should > have one too, and get him to help you take two racks out of the building > that night. > > If somebody should notice, make up a story about some shifty-looking bikers > hanging around near the back door the previous day. If you get caught, tell > them it was all your boss' idea, and you were told if you didn't help him > steal a rack, he was going to have you fired. And that he's been sexually > harrassing you. It's like a prison where I work (defense contractor). There are guards, guns, & security gates, oh my. The sexual harrassment claim has the best chance of working, though ;-) > End result - shiny rack in your home. Or a guard's night stick shoved up my bum. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 14 14:42:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5ACF16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:42:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from faceman.servitor.co.uk (faceman.servitor.co.uk [80.71.15.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080A543D46 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:42:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wiggy@servitor.co.uk) Received: from wiggy by faceman.servitor.co.uk with local (Exim 4.30) id 1BZsfr-000241-9V for chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:42:59 +0100 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:42:59 +0100 From: Paul Robinson To: chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040614144259.GA4684@iconoplex.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: Paul Robinson Subject: Stealthy? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:42:54 -0000 Apparently, we're part of, and using the products of a stealth project: http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3367381 Which inevitably led to one of Slashdot's amusing (sic) BSD articles: http://bsd.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/06/13/2241255&mode=nested&tid=122&tid=185&tid=190&threshold=-1 All I can say is, with 2.5 million hosted unique domain names, 4 out of 10 of the top hosting providers for stability and ~ 400 CVS bits set, this must be the worst example of stealth I've ever seen. From now on, I think core@ should be known as "The Bilderberg Group", hackers@ should be constrained to Freemasons and chat@ should concentrate on talking about how great Windows is to distract everybody else. -- Paul Robinson http://www.iconoplex.co.uk/ "I'm not conceited. It's just that I have a fondness for the good things in life, and I happen to be one of them." - Kenneth Williams From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 14 17:28:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4E516A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:28:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail2.cableone.net [24.116.0.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D4B43D58 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:28:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kitbsdlist2@HotPOP.com) Received: from vixen42.24-119-122-191.cpe.cableone.net (unverified [24.119.122.191]) by smail2.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.9b) with ESMTP id 5432804 for multiple; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:14:41 -0700 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:27:26 -0500 From: Vulpes Velox To: Paul Robinson Message-Id: <20040614122726.7ab21a86@vixen42.24-119-122-191.cpe.cableone.net> In-Reply-To: <20040614144259.GA4684@iconoplex.co.uk> References: <20040614144259.GA4684@iconoplex.co.uk> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.11claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.10) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stealthy? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:28:19 -0000 On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:42:59 +0100 Paul Robinson wrote: > Apparently, we're part of, and using the products of a stealth > project: > > http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3367381 > > Which inevitably led to one of Slashdot's amusing (sic) BSD > articles: > > http://bsd.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/06/13/2241255&mode=nested&tid=122&tid=185&tid=190&threshold=-1 > > All I can say is, with 2.5 million hosted unique domain names, 4 out > of 10 of the top hosting providers for stability and ~ 400 CVS bits > set, this must be the worst example of stealth I've ever seen. From > now on, I think core@ should be known as "The Bilderberg Group", > hackers@ should be constrained to Freemasons and chat@ should > concentrate on talking about how great Windows is to distract > everybody else. I liked on of the comments i read on /. "FreeBSD is a "stealthy" open source project in the same way the Brooklyn Bridge [nyc.gov] is a "stealthy" public works project" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 14 19:25:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E800516A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:25:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bsd.home.net (h004005b2f1be.ne.client2.attbi.com [24.62.4.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 401CB43D31 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:25:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gp@bsd.home.net) Received: from bsd.home.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bsd.home.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5EJPg0C000971 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:25:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gp@bsd.home.net) Received: (from gp@localhost) by bsd.home.net (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i5EJPgec000970 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:25:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gp) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:25:42 -0400 From: Greg Pavelcak To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040614192542.GA907@bsd.home.net> Mail-Followup-To: Greg Pavelcak , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Responding to Breakin Attempts X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:25:49 -0000 We run OpenVMS on an AlphaServer at work, so I'm posting to -chat because my concerns aren't FreeBSD specific. I'm just looking for the benefit of the knowledge and experience of people who are more computer savvy than I am. The subject almost covers the question. Our system logs breakin attempts. Sometimes we get a flurry of attempts, perhaps just some sort of script that sends logins and passwords around, and I'd like to be able to respond in self-defense in some sort of productive way. How can I respond to such attempts to access the system here? Any good beginner security reading out there? Thanks. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 15 14:29:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0803816A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:29:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from faceman.servitor.co.uk (faceman.servitor.co.uk [80.71.15.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6810343D55 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:29:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wiggy@servitor.co.uk) Received: from wiggy by faceman.servitor.co.uk with local (Exim 4.30) id 1BaEwY-0009sn-7r; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:29:42 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:29:42 +0100 From: Paul Robinson To: Greg Pavelcak , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040615142942.GD4684@iconoplex.co.uk> References: <20040614192542.GA907@bsd.home.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040614192542.GA907@bsd.home.net> Sender: Paul Robinson Subject: Re: Responding to Breakin Attempts X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:29:24 -0000 On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 03:25:42PM -0400, Greg Pavelcak wrote: > The subject almost covers the question. Our system logs breakin > attempts. Sometimes we get a flurry of attempts, perhaps just some > sort of script that sends logins and passwords around, and I'd like to > be able to respond in self-defense in some sort of productive way. But in general, you need to write up a security policy based on best industry practise and implement it. What policies do you already have in place. VMS boxes tend to be the worst - people assume it's the most secure OS in the world and don't put the basics in place. I used to be tech director of a firm that shortly after I left announced exploits in the TCP stack we fixed in Unixland something close to 10 years ago. They only released a couple, but I know the guy who was working on it reckoned he had a few dozen lined up to release. He might still do so. > How can I respond to such attempts to access the system here? You have several choices: 1. Log all data securely and attempt to lock down the system, perhaps collecting evidence with view to a prosecution if you feel it necessary. 2. Bring in external security services to help you lock down and collect evidence. If you're seeing attempted breakins, chances are, you haven't been broken into yet. Consider what connections that box has to the outside world, and ask whether it needs them. Why are ports available to that user to be able to even attempt logins? Where is the firewall? Why aren't you filtering traffic? Etc... > Any good beginner security reading out there? Well, where to start.... I'll assume you want to get to grips with the concepts rather than a list of commands to type in to tighten things down, especially as you're asking us. NIST publishes this: http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/nistpubs/800-12/ O'Reilly publishes this: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/csb/ This is considered the bible for unix guys: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/puis3/ There are thousands of books out there on IT security. If you feel there is a real threat, you may need to bring in help due to time constraints and the fact that you just don't have the time or experience to counter a current threat. In which case there are plenty of security consultancies out there. If you want a guy who specialises in VMS boxes I can find one for you, but it won't be cheap. $1500/day is considered cheap. -- Paul Robinson http://www.iconoplex.co.uk/ "I'm not conceited. It's just that I have a fondness for the good things in life, and I happen to be one of them." - Kenneth Williams From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 18 15:05:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BCD516A4CE for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:05:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bsd.home.net (h004005b2f1be.ne.client2.attbi.com [24.62.4.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A1743D2D for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:05:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gp@bsd.home.net) Received: from bsd.home.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bsd.home.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5IF55WB000301; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:05:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gp@bsd.home.net) Received: (from gp@localhost) by bsd.home.net (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i5IF55bK000300; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:05:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gp) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:05:04 -0400 From: Greg Pavelcak To: zera holladay Message-ID: <20040618150504.GA277@bsd.home.net> Mail-Followup-To: Greg Pavelcak , zera holladay , chat@freebsd.org References: <20040618143925.81911.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040618143925.81911.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: quiet ATX mid-Towers X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:05:49 -0000 On Fri, Jun 18, 2004 at 07:39:25AM -0700, zera holladay wrote: > Under a kind suggestion, I am re-submitting this > e-mail with a different subject. The old message was: > > Hello, I am looking for a very quiet ATX mid-tower and > I was wondering if anybody has a suggestion or > recommendation. My hard disks produce the most > decibels at the most annoying frequency -- it?s not a > bad fan. I am an EE student using FreeBSD, so a quiet > computer is very important to me. > > -Zera Holladay > It seems that noise is an issue for more and more people now-a-days. If you go online and google for "quiet computer case", you'll probably find some places that make cases with noise reduction in mind. Antec, for example, makes some. Note that you'll pay a premium: probably over $200 for a quiet tower. If you think the hard drives are the main culprits, you might just try getting some rubber washers between them and your case to reduce vibration. That might be difficult in the 3 1/2" bay, but you can get kits to convert your 3 1/2" devices to 5 1/4" for a couple bucks each and add rubber washers to your heart's content. Finally, you don't say what kind of drives you use, but if your pc is generally only being accessed by you and not several people simultaneously, then you can pass on high RPM SCSI drives. They are incompatible with noise reduction goals. Also, I don't mean to play list-cop, but I don't think this is a -hackers topic, so I have responded to you directly and moved the thread to -chat to keep it on the lists for additional replies. Good luck. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 18 15:53:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E52816A4CE for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:53:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shazam.wetworks.org (shazam.wetworks.org [192.160.237.254]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 43E2F43D5E for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:53:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alan@clegg.com) Received: (qmail 93858 invoked by uid 1000); 18 Jun 2004 15:51:51 -0000 Received: by shazam.wetworks.org (tmda-sendmail, from uid 1000); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:51:50 -0400 To: chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040618155150.GM44006@shazam.wetworks.org> References: <20040618143925.81911.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com> <20040618150504.GA277@bsd.home.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040618150504.GA277@bsd.home.net> X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i From: "Alan B. Clegg" X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.0 (Cannonade) X-TMDA-Fingerprint: XhKiI41TZOchDjomGpAlQGke1yc Subject: Re: quiet ATX mid-Towers X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:53:27 -0000 Out of the ether, Greg Pavelcak spewed forth the following bitstream: > If you think the hard drives are the main culprits, you might just try > getting some rubber washers between them and your case to reduce > vibration. One thing to remember on this is that many drives survive by conducting heat into the case. You put rubber in there (a very good insulator of both electricity and heat) and your drives are going to get hotter faster. Before you insert the rubber washers, feel the case and see how much heat is being dissipated into the case. AlanC -- PGP e-mail preferred, but not sent by default. Requiescas in pace o email From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 18 19:54:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0514816A4CE for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:54:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from seven.Alameda.net (seven.alameda.net [64.81.53.71]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D9B43D1D for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:54:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ulf@Alameda.net) Received: by seven.Alameda.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8333F3A207; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:53:03 -0700 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: Greg Pavelcak , zera holladay , chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040618195303.GH41460@seven.alameda.net> References: <20040618143925.81911.qmail@web41411.mail.yahoo.com> <20040618150504.GA277@bsd.home.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040618150504.GA277@bsd.home.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE-p5 Subject: Re: quiet ATX mid-Towers X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:54:30 -0000 On Fri, Jun 18, 2004 at 11:05:04AM -0400, Greg Pavelcak wrote: > On Fri, Jun 18, 2004 at 07:39:25AM -0700, zera holladay wrote: > > Under a kind suggestion, I am re-submitting this > > e-mail with a different subject. The old message was: > > > > Hello, I am looking for a very quiet ATX mid-tower and > > I was wondering if anybody has a suggestion or > > recommendation. My hard disks produce the most > > decibels at the most annoying frequency -- it?s not a > > bad fan. I am an EE student using FreeBSD, so a quiet > > computer is very important to me. > > > > -Zera Holladay > > > > It seems that noise is an issue for more and more people now-a-days. If > you go online and google for "quiet computer case", you'll probably find > some places that make cases with noise reduction in mind. Antec, for > example, makes some. Note that you'll pay a premium: probably over $200 > for a quiet tower. > > If you think the hard drives are the main culprits, you might just try > getting some rubber washers between them and your case to reduce > vibration. That might be difficult in the 3 1/2" bay, but you can get > kits to convert your 3 1/2" devices to 5 1/4" for a couple bucks each > and add rubber washers to your heart's content. > > Finally, you don't say what kind of drives you use, but if your pc is > generally only being accessed by you and not several people > simultaneously, then you can pass on high RPM SCSI drives. They are > incompatible with noise reduction goals. > > Also, I don't mean to play list-cop, but I don't think this is a > -hackers topic, so I have responded to you directly and moved the thread > to -chat to keep it on the lists for additional replies. > > Good luck. > > Greg I can recommend the Antec Sonata case, you can usual buy it with a 380W power supply for like $100-130. I have it at home with two drives in it under my desk and I don't hear a thing from it. 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