From owner-freebsd-config@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 06:34:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE7F16A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 06:34:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay4-f6.bay4.hotmail.com [65.54.171.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F250B43D1F for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 06:34:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from konn_@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 06:34:30 -0800 Received: from 82.206.129.99 by by4fd.bay4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:34:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [82.206.129.99] X-Originating-Email: [konn_@msn.com] X-Sender: konn_@msn.com From: "Umar Draz" To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:34:30 +0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2004 14:34:30.0859 (UTC) FILETIME=[F25DB1B0:01C4159A] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Help Me X-BeenThere: freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Installation and Configuration List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:34:31 -0000 Hi Dear Members! i have freebsd 4.9 Server. and my computer connect internet with 512kb DLS connection and i have 40 client. So i have install squid and configure ipfw2 for firewall and transparent proxy. i have configure ipfw2 with these options options IPFW2 options IPFIREWALL options IPFIREWALL_FORWARD options IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT options IPDIVERT now its woking fine. But i saw some other configuration regarding IPFIREWALL like IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=xxxx now my question is what is benefit of IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE and IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE limit? if i enable this option then what should be IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIE (????) and if i don't use this options then what will do? is it wrong ? plz help me thanks & best regards UMAR DRAZ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps [1]ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. References 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMAEN/2743??PS= From owner-freebsd-config@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 31 21:10:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E910216A4CE; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:10:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp2.vsnl.net (smtp2.vsnl.net [203.200.235.232]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C22E43D2D; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:10:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from torahuls@vsnl.com) Received: from vsnl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.vsnl.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HVH00M3A7GK7V@smtp2.vsnl.net>; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:35:16 +0530 (IST) Received: from ([219.65.80.22]) by smtp2.vsnl.net (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall Unix); Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:35:15 +0530 (IST) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:34:57 +0530 From: Rahul Sawarkar To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <406BA2F9.6020802@vsnl.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20040107 Thunderbird/0.4 Subject: UFS mounted on linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Installation and Configuration List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 05:10:59 -0000 Hello I have a freebsd ufs partition, that I access from linux using the following command: mount /dev/hda2 /mnt -t ufs -o ufstype=44bsd Funnie: All the files and directories created by the /stand/sysinstall or the freeBSD install CD are visible. But the recent files I downloaded from the net, or any file created while booted in FreeBSD using "touch filename" for instance are not to be seen in Linux. Moving or copying files has no effect.Changing attributes using chflags "noopaque" has no effect. Any tips ? Rgrds freebsd-questions users: Please cc to: torahuls@vsnl.com as I'm not subscribed. From owner-freebsd-config@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 31 22:10:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747AC16A4CF; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:10:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtaw4.prodigy.net (mtaw4.prodigy.net [64.164.98.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0EB43D1F; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:10:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (72496fdb3fb01860f3dc2a4526b433c0@adsl-67-115-73-128.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [67.115.73.128]) by mtaw4.prodigy.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i316AHKn022191; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:10:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B85BD533F5; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:10:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:10:16 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: config@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20040401061016.GA62958@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: postmaster@FreeBSD.org Subject: Removing the freebsd-config list X-BeenThere: freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Installation and Configuration List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 06:10:18 -0000 --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline This mailing list gets nothing but misfiled support emails that should go to questions@ (presumably the belief is that "freebsd-config" is the mailing list for "help with configuring FreeBSD")...I think it should just be removed. Kris --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAa7JIWry0BWjoQKURAjgWAKCG3F7qVX6iPJGEsDBnKz1bfajiWwCfftkU 8ad/cLTMi1bviLtc1xXRi24= =wI1K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+-- From owner-freebsd-config@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 31 22:37:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D7AB16A4CE; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:37:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from inet-mail4.oracle.com (inet-mail4.oracle.com [148.87.2.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9F143D2D; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:37:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from niraj17@iitbombay.org) Received: from rgmgw6.us.oracle.com (rgmgw6.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.15]) i316ZHe3010702; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:35:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from rgmgw6.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i316b9p22020; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:37:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from iitbombay.org (indl195ec.idc.oracle.com [152.69.162.195]) i316b7p21952; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:37:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <406BB890.1050908@iitbombay.org> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 12:07:04 +0530 From: Niraj Kumar User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031208 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rahul Sawarkar References: <406BA2F9.6020802@vsnl.com> In-Reply-To: <406BA2F9.6020802@vsnl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UFS mounted on linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Installation and Configuration List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 06:37:20 -0000 Rahul Sawarkar wrote: > Hello > I have a freebsd ufs partition, that I access from linux using the > following command: > > mount /dev/hda2 /mnt -t ufs -o ufstype=44bsd This is fine for 4.x series . However , FreeBSD 5.x uses ufs2 by default . For mounting ufs2 , look at these patches : http://ufs-linux.sourceforge.net > > Funnie: All the files and directories created by the /stand/sysinstall > or the freeBSD > install CD are visible. But the recent files I downloaded from the > net, or any file > created while booted in FreeBSD using "touch filename" for instance > are not to be seen in > Linux. > > Moving or copying files has no effect.Changing attributes using > chflags "noopaque" has no effect. > > Any tips ? Correct me if I am wrong , but linux's ufs implementation is not very robust . Besides , there are no good tools for ufs fs on linux. That is why I have started this work (link above). Regards Niraj > > Rgrds > freebsd-questions users: Please cc to: torahuls@vsnl.com as I'm not > subscribed. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-config@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 1 05:04:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D860D16A4CF; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 05:04:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from faceman.servitor.co.uk (faceman.servitor.co.uk [80.71.15.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E585643D2D; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 05:04:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@iconoplex.co.uk) Received: from localhost.servitor.co.uk ([127.0.0.1] helo=localhost) by faceman.servitor.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B91s5-000MFv-VL; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:04:37 +0100 Received: from wwwcache4.mmu.ac.uk (wwwcache4.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.39.36]) by mail.servitor.co.uk (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:04:37 +0100 Message-ID: <1080824677.406c1365cfd14@mail.servitor.co.uk> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:04:37 +0100 From: Paul Robinson To: Kris Kennaway References: <20040401061016.GA62958@xor.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <20040401061016.GA62958@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.3 cc: config@FreeBSD.org cc: postmaster@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Removing the freebsd-config list X-BeenThere: freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Installation and Configuration List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 13:04:38 -0000 Quoting Kris Kennaway : > This mailing list gets nothing but misfiled support emails that should > go to questions@ (presumably the belief is that "freebsd-config" is > the mailing list for "help with configuring FreeBSD")...I think it > should just be removed. 1. Does having it cause any damage? What is the gain in it's removal? 2. Perhaps it could be re-jigged into a mailing list to discuss the possibility of developing configuration management tools. I know there are a couple of guys here in the UK that are interested in looking at that in the next few months. We could keep this as our "home" if nobody else wants it. The name even fits. :-) -- Paul Robinson From owner-freebsd-config@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 1 05:20:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F272516A54F; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 05:20:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E048943D31; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 05:20:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (eccfa23780b19e3232873b7f302121be@adsl-67-115-73-128.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [67.115.73.128])i31DKRWE003559; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 05:20:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B6E3052145; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 05:20:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 05:20:26 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Paul Robinson Message-ID: <20040401132026.GA69240@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20040401061016.GA62958@xor.obsecurity.org> <1080824677.406c1365cfd14@mail.servitor.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1080824677.406c1365cfd14@mail.servitor.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: config@FreeBSD.org cc: postmaster@FreeBSD.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: Removing the freebsd-config list X-BeenThere: freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Installation and Configuration List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 13:20:33 -0000 --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 02:04:37PM +0100, Paul Robinson wrote: > Quoting Kris Kennaway : >=20 > > This mailing list gets nothing but misfiled support emails that should > > go to questions@ (presumably the belief is that "freebsd-config" is > > the mailing list for "help with configuring FreeBSD")...I think it > > should just be removed. >=20 > 1. Does having it cause any damage? Yes, because people are mistakenly asking support questions that are going unanswered. > What is the gain in it's removal? They'll hopefully keep looking at the list of mailing lists and figure out that questions@ is where they should send it. > 2. Perhaps it could be re-jigged into a mailing list to discuss the possi= bility > of developing configuration management tools. I know there are a couple o= f guys > here in the UK that are interested in looking at that in the next few mon= ths. > We could keep this as our "home" if nobody else wants it. The name even f= its. > :-) That's what the list is ostensibly for, but the users are seeing "freebsd-config" and thinking something different. If there's still interest in the subject, the mailing list should at least be renamed to something more obviously not about technical support :) Kris --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAbBcaWry0BWjoQKURApsEAJwP4ZNIWiJfGt4dwx3fk0qa2h6FFQCgjPKg 7CHeBXUvO9z9DDPDoUiWU18= =lKJW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO-- From owner-freebsd-config@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 1 05:30:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1DF16A4E2; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 05:30:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from faceman.servitor.co.uk (faceman.servitor.co.uk [80.71.15.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD4A43D31; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 05:30:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@iconoplex.co.uk) Received: from localhost.servitor.co.uk ([127.0.0.1] helo=localhost) by faceman.servitor.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B92Hh-000MPd-Oy; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:31:05 +0100 Received: from wwwcache4.mmu.ac.uk (wwwcache4.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.39.36]) by mail.servitor.co.uk (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:31:05 +0100 Message-ID: <1080826265.406c19999b128@mail.servitor.co.uk> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:31:05 +0100 From: Paul Robinson To: Kris Kennaway References: <20040401061016.GA62958@xor.obsecurity.org> <1080824677.406c1365cfd14@mail.servitor.co.uk> <20040401132026.GA69240@xor.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <20040401132026.GA69240@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.3 cc: config@FreeBSD.org cc: postmaster@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Removing the freebsd-config list X-BeenThere: freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Installation and Configuration List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 13:30:57 -0000 Quoting Kris Kennaway : > Yes, because people are mistakenly asking support questions that are > going unanswered. I could be a pedant and point out that happens in questions@ as well. :-) > > What is the gain in it's removal? > > They'll hopefully keep looking at the list of mailing lists and figure > out that questions@ is where they should send it. Perhaps we just need a better description of the list and make it clearer where support queries go. We should not be deleting a list we know we probably need, but instead be re-asserting its true purpose. > That's what the list is ostensibly for, but the users are seeing > "freebsd-config" and thinking something different. If there's still > interest in the subject, the mailing list should at least be renamed > to something more obviously not about technical support :) I can't think of a better name. I tell you what, I'll start answering support queries with a boilerplate "go to -questions@" response, let's give it a couple of months and see where it goes. If it's still not being used for the discussion of configuration management, I see no harm in it being removed. I think the problem here, is the list has morphed and as it's low-traffic, most of us hadn't noticed. How does that sound? -- Paul Robinson From owner-freebsd-config@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 1 05:52:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C93016A4CE; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 05:52:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9629543D41; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 05:52:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drhodus@machdep.com) Received: from [192.168.1.93] ([68.209.168.6]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.netESMTP <20040401135220.MFEH1715.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@[192.168.1.93]>; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:52:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20040401132026.GA69240@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20040401061016.GA62958@xor.obsecurity.org> <1080824677.406c1365cfd14@mail.servitor.co.uk> <20040401132026.GA69240@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Rhodus Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:52:18 -0500 To: Kris Kennaway X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) cc: config@FreeBSD.org cc: postmaster@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Removing the freebsd-config list X-BeenThere: freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Installation and Configuration List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 13:52:28 -0000 On Apr 1, 2004, at 8:20 AM, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > That's what the list is ostensibly for, but the users are seeing > "freebsd-config" and thinking something different. If there's still > interest in the subject, the mailing list should at least be renamed > to something more obviously not about technical support :) I think this is more of a problem with the freebsd.org website not giving any technical support direction. This is the case now and was the case years ago when I started pointing people to FreeBSD. I always had to point them to the mailing lists because the webpage is setup more as marking hype about FreeBSD than it is geared towards being friendly on the front page to its novice users. -DR From owner-freebsd-config@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 1 06:25:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA2716A4CE; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 06:25:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from pcwin002.win.tue.nl (pcwin002.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E456243D48; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 06:25:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stijn@pcwin002.win.tue.nl) Received: from pcwin002.win.tue.nl (orb_rules@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pcwin002.win.tue.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i31EPMXV004522; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:25:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from stijn@pcwin002.win.tue.nl) Received: (from stijn@localhost) by pcwin002.win.tue.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i31EPM2F004521; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:25:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from stijn) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:25:22 +0200 From: Stijn Hoop To: Paul Robinson Message-ID: <20040401142522.GJ746@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> References: <20040401061016.GA62958@xor.obsecurity.org> <1080824677.406c1365cfd14@mail.servitor.co.uk> <20040401132026.GA69240@xor.obsecurity.org> <1080826265.406c19999b128@mail.servitor.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bFsKbPszpzYNtEU6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1080826265.406c19999b128@mail.servitor.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Bright-Idea: Let's abolish HTML mail! cc: config@freebsd.org cc: postmaster@freebsd.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: Removing the freebsd-config list X-BeenThere: freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Installation and Configuration List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:25:21 -0000 --bFsKbPszpzYNtEU6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 02:31:05PM +0100, Paul Robinson wrote: > Quoting Kris Kennaway : > > Yes, because people are mistakenly asking support questions that are > > going unanswered. >=20 > I could be a pedant and point out that happens in questions@ as well. :-) But for entirely different reasons. > > > What is the gain in it's removal? > >=20 > > They'll hopefully keep looking at the list of mailing lists and figure > > out that questions@ is where they should send it. >=20 > Perhaps we just need a better description of the list and make it clearer > where support queries go. We should not be deleting a list we know we > probably need, but instead be re-asserting its true purpose. Nice idea but it probably doesn't work. Unless you expect that a large volu= me of mail is going to arrive here (which I really doubt). > > That's what the list is ostensibly for, but the users are seeing > > "freebsd-config" and thinking something different. If there's still > > interest in the subject, the mailing list should at least be renamed > > to something more obviously not about technical support :) >=20 > I can't think of a better name. I tell you what, I'll start answering > support queries with a boilerplate "go to -questions@" response, let's gi= ve > it a couple of months and see where it goes. That's what has happened in the last year or so -- check the archives. I'm with Kris, removing this list will do more good for newbies. freebsd-config-mgmt@ or something like that sounds far less likely to attra= ct generic support questions. --Stijn --=20 "Well," Brahma said, "even after ten thousand explanations, a fool is no wiser, but an intelligent man requires only two thousand five hundred." -- The Mahabharata. --bFsKbPszpzYNtEU6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAbCZSY3r/tLQmfWcRAnoXAJ9yh83xZeX9BYPJH2Xh+O0aslJdAwCfWwK1 QIVx5oQ6/s8CB7/vqIrtXfY= =X3ih -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bFsKbPszpzYNtEU6-- From owner-freebsd-config@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 1 13:43:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C81116A4CE; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:43:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from bunrab.catwhisker.org (adsl-63-193-123-122.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.193.123.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA8B43D2D; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:43:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david@catwhisker.org) Received: from bunrab.catwhisker.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i31LhWNH024550; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:43:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david@bunrab.catwhisker.org) Received: (from david@localhost) by bunrab.catwhisker.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i31LhVls024549; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:43:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:43:31 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <200404012143.i31LhVls024549@bunrab.catwhisker.org> To: config@FreeBSD.org, kris@obsecurity.org In-Reply-To: <20040401061016.GA62958@xor.obsecurity.org> cc: postmaster@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Removing the freebsd-config list X-BeenThere: freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Installation and Configuration List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:43:33 -0000 >Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:10:16 -0800 >From: Kris Kennaway >To: config@FreeBSD.org >Cc: postmaster@FreeBSD.org >Subject: Removing the freebsd-config list >This mailing list gets nothing but misfiled support emails that should >go to questions@ (presumably the belief is that "freebsd-config" is >the mailing list for "help with configuring FreeBSD")...I think it >should just be removed. OK; I'm willing to accept that. However, I don't know what the next step ought to be in the process. [Looking at the archives, I see that you & Paul Robinson have been discussing the issue somewhat. I'm OK with whatever y'all decide: my purpose is to try to facilitate getting work done for the FreeBSD Project.] Peace, david (current hat: postmaster@freebsd.org) -- David H. Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org I do not "unsubscribe" from email "services" to which I have not explicitly subscribed. Rather, I block spammers' access to SMTP servers I control, and encourage others who are in a position to do so to do likewise. From owner-freebsd-config@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 1 13:54:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106FD16A4CE; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:54:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtaw4.prodigy.net (mtaw4.prodigy.net [64.164.98.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A5D43D1F; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:54:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (69adf4138882f0ef3441f2442c522ee8@adsl-67-115-73-128.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [67.115.73.128]) by mtaw4.prodigy.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i31Ls8Kn002765; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:54:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3728D52145; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:54:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:54:08 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: David Rhodus Message-ID: <20040401215407.GA73638@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20040401061016.GA62958@xor.obsecurity.org> <1080824677.406c1365cfd14@mail.servitor.co.uk> <20040401132026.GA69240@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="liOOAslEiF7prFVr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: postmaster@FreeBSD.org cc: config@FreeBSD.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: Removing the freebsd-config list X-BeenThere: freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Installation and Configuration List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:54:14 -0000 --liOOAslEiF7prFVr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 08:52:18AM -0500, David Rhodus wrote: >=20 > On Apr 1, 2004, at 8:20 AM, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > >That's what the list is ostensibly for, but the users are seeing > >"freebsd-config" and thinking something different. If there's still > >interest in the subject, the mailing list should at least be renamed > >to something more obviously not about technical support :) >=20 > I think this is more of a problem with the freebsd.org website not > giving any technical support direction. This is the case now and > was the case years ago when I started pointing people to FreeBSD. > I always had to point them to the mailing lists because the webpage > is setup more as marking hype about FreeBSD than it is geared > towards being friendly on the front page to its novice users. Your tone of disapproval is noted, but seriously, what do you suggest? "Support" has a prominent position on the sidebar. Kris --liOOAslEiF7prFVr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAbI9/Wry0BWjoQKURAoVwAKDyUq4feA5NXP2NZYeESIQh79PJeQCg2TAY qt+GDJHIr7ntxTlaADrP2Vw= =AdIs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --liOOAslEiF7prFVr-- From owner-freebsd-config@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 11:53:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A5316A4CE for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:53:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from gorgo.centroin.com.br (gorgo.centroin.com.br [200.225.63.128]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD88143D1F for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:53:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scuba@centroin.com.br) Received: from hypselo.centroin.com.br (hypselo.centroin.com.br [200.225.63.1])i32JrjbJ028189 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:53:45 -0300 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:53:45 -0300 (EST) From: Sender: To: In-Reply-To: <20040401215407.GA73638@xor.obsecurity.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Step-by-step to upgrade Perl X-BeenThere: freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Installation and Configuration List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 19:53:52 -0000 Hi, I'd upgraded Perl to 5.8 using ports on FreeBSD 4.7, but the old version is still "alive". Which is the correct steps to upgrade Perl? Thanks, - Marcelo From owner-freebsd-config@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 15:25:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E84316A4CF for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:25:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C3E43D39 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:25:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (0254d993149376062545a9975c05454a@adsl-67-115-73-128.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [67.115.73.128])i32NPZb0027435; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:25:36 -0600 (CST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5F58551C12; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:25:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:25:35 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: scuba@centroin.com.br Message-ID: <20040402232535.GB7985@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20040401215407.GA73638@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rJwd6BRFiFCcLxzm" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: config@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Step-by-step to upgrade Perl X-BeenThere: freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Installation and Configuration List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 23:25:44 -0000 --rJwd6BRFiFCcLxzm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 04:53:45PM -0300, scuba@centroin.com.br wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I'd upgraded Perl to 5.8 using ports on FreeBSD 4.7, but the old > version is still "alive". > Which is the correct steps to upgrade Perl? Step 1: Don't send to an inappropriate mailing list :-) Kris --rJwd6BRFiFCcLxzm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAbfZvWry0BWjoQKURAr3ZAJ9kszNCZPjhKfKeQyguPhEbRUgKewCeKOLN S8NVz0z4jJwTLAon5dzdRHM= =L0YU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rJwd6BRFiFCcLxzm-- From owner-freebsd-config@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 15:38:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C640516A4CE for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:38:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from gorgo.centroin.com.br (gorgo.centroin.com.br [200.225.63.128]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B921043D1D for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:38:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mpsouza@centroin.com.br) Received: from hypselo.centroin.com.br (hypselo.centroin.com.br [200.225.63.1])i32NcY9x007318; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:38:39 -0300 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:38:34 -0300 (EST) From: Marcelo Souza To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: <20040402232535.GB7985@xor.obsecurity.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: config@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Step-by-step to upgrade Perl X-BeenThere: freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Installation and Configuration List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 23:38:43 -0000 Hi, On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, Kris Kennaway wrote: |On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 04:53:45PM -0300, scuba@centroin.com.br wrote: |> Hi, |> |> I'd upgraded Perl to 5.8 using ports on FreeBSD 4.7, but the old |> version is still "alive". |> Which is the correct steps to upgrade Perl? | |Step 1: | |Don't send to an inappropriate mailing list :-) I'm sorry but why is it inappropriate? Isn't this list used to solve doubts about configuring FreBSD? Where should I post it? Thank you, - Marcelo From owner-freebsd-config@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 15:42:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF4116A4CE for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:42:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtaw4.prodigy.net (mtaw4.prodigy.net [64.164.98.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA9143D31 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:42:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (90348d2ee23258e36f9150cc05390971@adsl-67-115-73-128.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [67.115.73.128]) by mtaw4.prodigy.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i32NgEcN009916; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:42:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B1ECF51C12; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:42:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:42:14 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Marcelo Souza Message-ID: <20040402234214.GA8316@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20040402232535.GB7985@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: config@freebsd.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: Step-by-step to upgrade Perl X-BeenThere: freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Installation and Configuration List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 23:42:21 -0000 --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 08:38:34PM -0300, Marcelo Souza wrote: > Hi, >=20 > On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, Kris Kennaway wrote: >=20 > |On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 04:53:45PM -0300, scuba@centroin.com.br wrote: > |> Hi, > |> > |> I'd upgraded Perl to 5.8 using ports on FreeBSD 4.7, but the old > |> version is still "alive". > |> Which is the correct steps to upgrade Perl? > | > |Step 1: > | > |Don't send to an inappropriate mailing list :-) >=20 > I'm sorry but why is it inappropriate? Isn't this list used to > solve doubts about configuring FreBSD? Nope. > Where should I post it? freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org. Kris --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAbfpWWry0BWjoQKURAiIEAJ9S/dEqidISYEgT7cBJoMwd4FmXtACdG0pY YYSltCHAK5UJSJMW2oN+8bA= =wM24 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK-- From owner-freebsd-config@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 17:56:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07A416A4CE for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:56:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from omr2.netsolmail.com (omr2.netsolmail.com [216.168.230.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F23F43D49 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:56:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@ajsuperior.com) Received: from ms1.netsolmail.com (IDENT:mirapoint@[216.168.230.167]) by omr2.netsolmail.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i331q6PZ022695 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:52:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ms1.netsolmail.com (localhost.netsolmail.com [127.0.0.1]) by ms1.netsolmail.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.2.2-GA) with ESMTP id BFY95089; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:56:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200404030156.BFY95089@ms1.netsolmail.com> Received: from 66.41.93.54 by ms1.netsolmail.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.2.2-GA) with HTTP/1.1; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:56:28 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:56:28 -0600 From: Dan Lee To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: moving networks X-BeenThere: freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Installation and Configuration List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 01:56:30 -0000 Hi Everybody, I'm very new to this list. Here is my conundrum... I had a server colocated on a network. This server had a static ip address (63.121.161.98) I moved that server to my house with a dynamic ip address via comcast cable modem. At my house, I have a small lan set up with one box running bsd, another running windows, and a third being the server I just brought home. I'm trying to get the third box on my network at home. In other words, has anyone out there converted a bsd box from a static ip address to using dhcp on startup? If so, can you please reply. I'm stumped on even where to begin. I want to do this because I'd like to back up some info on that server prior to refomatting. Thanks, dan From owner-freebsd-config@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 18:36:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07F8416A4CE for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:36:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtaw6.prodigy.net (mtaw6.prodigy.net [64.164.98.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB1A43D2D for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:36:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (f85bfc9d8960fa72b8d725d8e98e9e8e@adsl-67-115-73-128.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [67.115.73.128]) by mtaw6.prodigy.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i332ZIR8000486; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:35:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DCD1351C12; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:36:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:36:23 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Dan Lee Message-ID: <20040403023623.GA10586@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200404030156.BFY95089@ms1.netsolmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="liOOAslEiF7prFVr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200404030156.BFY95089@ms1.netsolmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Subject: Re: moving networks X-BeenThere: freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Installation and Configuration List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:36:40 -0000 --liOOAslEiF7prFVr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 07:56:28PM -0600, Dan Lee wrote: > Hi Everybody, >=20 > I'm very new to this list. Here is my conundrum... Technical support questions should go to questions@FreeBSD.org; this list is not for technical support. Kris --liOOAslEiF7prFVr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAbiMnWry0BWjoQKURAhP0AKDpEuqEeu57aGdCfBPNqSrxCcSp3gCgxvdr TJnuxr9iQe7/c+I2l8nkdlo= =TTlR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --liOOAslEiF7prFVr-- From owner-freebsd-config@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 18:42:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990B716A4CE for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:42:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 856B643D1F for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:42:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (f14431122dd98c04657fa725449deb64@adsl-67-115-73-128.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [67.115.73.128])i332gEiZ011889; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:42:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C40E152322; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:42:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:42:13 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Kris Kennaway Message-ID: <20040403024213.GA10773@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200404030156.BFY95089@ms1.netsolmail.com> <20040403023623.GA10586@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040403023623.GA10586@xor.obsecurity.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Subject: Re: moving networks X-BeenThere: freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Installation and Configuration List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:42:42 -0000 --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 06:36:23PM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 07:56:28PM -0600, Dan Lee wrote: > > Hi Everybody, > >=20 > > I'm very new to this list. Here is my conundrum... >=20 > Technical support questions should go to questions@FreeBSD.org; this > list is not for technical support. >=20 > Kris BTW, serious question: why did you think config@FreeBSD.org was a support list? You're hardly alone in making this mistake, and we're currently talking about how to fix it. Is there some piece of confusing documentation out there? Kris --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAbiSFWry0BWjoQKURAk6GAKCiqplqtVryuMpH1awbW96u6XcbZgCfWDjL ns0lkC97DLrA8y41jNgJup4= =zigM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz-- From owner-freebsd-config@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 20:18:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14ECB16A4CE for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:18:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC5FA43D48 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:18:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (827e426b867ecbfd2a50c3577ef36cee@adsl-67-115-73-128.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [67.115.73.128])i334HViZ020776; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:17:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A6F2351C12; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:17:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:17:30 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Dan Lee Message-ID: <20040403041730.GA11527@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200404030314.BFZ07749@ms1.netsolmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200404030314.BFZ07749@ms1.netsolmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: config@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: moving networks X-BeenThere: freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Installation and Configuration List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 04:18:15 -0000 --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 09:14:30PM -0600, Dan Lee wrote: > because my question was one of a configuration nature and=20 > this list is config@freebsd.org =20 Which is for: "Development of FreeBSD installation and configuration tools" http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#E= RESOURCES-MAIL Thanks for answering though, this is what I think most people are thinking when they send their support questions here. Kris --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAbjraWry0BWjoQKURAvdTAKCYxwquVZWbhJZqS61NBUEqO8FcsQCeKcaV fvAnjClX8W5e/2SHjMUoTaE= =yUJV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu-- From owner-freebsd-config@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 3 04:18:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB7F16A4CE; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 04:18:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C7643D2D; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 04:18:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (0x53584e1d.boanxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk [83.88.78.29]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F76247FE52; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 14:18:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id ED2591188A; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 11:04:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 11:04:55 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Kris Kennaway Message-ID: <20040403090455.GA870@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <20040401061016.GA62958@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040401061016.GA62958@xor.obsecurity.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: config@FreeBSD.org cc: postmaster@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Removing the freebsd-config list X-BeenThere: freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Installation and Configuration List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 12:18:59 -0000 --CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2004.03.31 22:10:16 -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > This mailing list gets nothing but misfiled support emails that should > go to questions@ (presumably the belief is that "freebsd-config" is > the mailing list for "help with configuring FreeBSD")...I think it > should just be removed. I agree that it should be removed. The two latest support mails just showed exactly why. If there is need for a new list with the purpose of discussing configuration tools it there could be created later with a less confusing name. I don't remember having seen a mail about configuration tools on this list since i subscribed (I could forgotten it though) so I don't think creating a new list is required beforing axing this list. Just my 0.02 . --=20 Simon L. Nielsen FreeBSD Documentation Team --CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAbn42h9pcDSc1mlERAj5rAJ0XF1Jsr/Aae9gyJwSXrs4UsVK/ZgCgmypw /mNhpJDWEzfIiDBRUOOrslg= =glr7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK-- From owner-freebsd-config@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 3 07:47:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BEC916A4CE; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 07:47:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from out007.verizon.net (out007pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.107]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232B843D55; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 07:47:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com ([68.160.247.127]) by out007.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040403154722.OMAW28276.out007.verizon.net@mac.com>; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:47:22 -0600 Message-ID: <406EDC83.80600@mac.com> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 10:47:15 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040316 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: config@FreeBSD.org References: <20040401061016.GA62958@xor.obsecurity.org> <20040403090455.GA870@zaphod.nitro.dk> In-Reply-To: <20040403090455.GA870@zaphod.nitro.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [68.160.247.127] at Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:47:22 -0600 cc: postmaster@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Removing the freebsd-config list X-BeenThere: freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Installation and Configuration List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 15:47:23 -0000 Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > I agree that it should be removed. The two latest support mails just > showed exactly why. +1 (same reasons, no need to repeat what Simon just said :-) -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-config@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 3 12:51:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4A716A4CE for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:51:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD41143D39 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:51:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost ([192.168.0.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i33KpGaR015506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 3 Apr 2004 15:51:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 15:51:37 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Kris Kennaway Message-Id: <20040403155137.63ccb4c8@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20040403041730.GA11527@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200404030314.BFZ07749@ms1.netsolmail.com> <20040403041730.GA11527@xor.obsecurity.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.10claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: config@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: moving networks X-BeenThere: freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Installation and Configuration List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 20:51:18 -0000 On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:17:30 -0800 Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 09:14:30PM -0600, Dan Lee wrote: > > because my question was one of a configuration nature and > > this list is config@freebsd.org > > Which is for: > > "Development of FreeBSD installation and configuration tools" > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL > > Thanks for answering though, this is what I think most people are > thinking when they send their support questions here. Perhaps a blurb stating that it is not a support list. I'm not sure how strong you feel about removing the list though. -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-config@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 3 15:44:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF9B16A4CE; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 15:44:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtaw6.prodigy.net (mtaw6.prodigy.net [64.164.98.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371EF43D2F; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 15:44:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (32621c1264d15bc71693bf79f9e57614@adsl-67-115-73-128.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [67.115.73.128]) by mtaw6.prodigy.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i33NhDR8013711; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 15:43:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E27975235E; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 15:44:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 15:44:19 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Tom Rhodes Message-ID: <20040403234419.GA26164@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200404030314.BFZ07749@ms1.netsolmail.com> <20040403041730.GA11527@xor.obsecurity.org> <20040403155137.63ccb4c8@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040403155137.63ccb4c8@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: config@FreeBSD.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: moving networks X-BeenThere: freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Installation and Configuration List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 23:44:21 -0000 --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 03:51:37PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:17:30 -0800 > Kris Kennaway wrote: >=20 > > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 09:14:30PM -0600, Dan Lee wrote: > > > because my question was one of a configuration nature and=20 > > > this list is config@freebsd.org =20 > >=20 > > Which is for: > >=20 > > "Development of FreeBSD installation and configuration tools" > >=20 > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.ht= ml#ERESOURCES-MAIL > >=20 > > Thanks for answering though, this is what I think most people are > > thinking when they send their support questions here. >=20 > Perhaps a blurb stating that it is not a support list. I'm not > sure how strong you feel about removing the list though. I think if people aren't reading the mailing list description then adding more text isn't likely to help :) Kris --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAb0xTWry0BWjoQKURAjPyAKD4b9IWldoTll8qoC9Hngp0GJXBtACgi5Za +Qy3H3ImVNef9tSVd8RvNxk= =PrS/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE-- From owner-freebsd-config@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 3 18:37:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 570A816A4CE for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 18:37:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF6B143D64 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 18:37:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (c-24-3-175-126.client.comcast.net [24.3.175.126]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i342bscS016336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 3 Apr 2004 21:37:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 21:38:15 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Kris Kennaway Message-Id: <20040403213815.4e10bd63@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20040403234419.GA26164@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200404030314.BFZ07749@ms1.netsolmail.com> <20040403041730.GA11527@xor.obsecurity.org> <20040403155137.63ccb4c8@localhost> <20040403234419.GA26164@xor.obsecurity.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.10claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: config@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: moving networks X-BeenThere: freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Installation and Configuration List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 02:37:56 -0000 On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 15:44:19 -0800 Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 03:51:37PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:17:30 -0800 > > Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 09:14:30PM -0600, Dan Lee wrote: > > > > because my question was one of a configuration nature and > > > > this list is config@freebsd.org > > > > > > Which is for: > > > > > > "Development of FreeBSD installation and configuration tools" > > > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL > > > > > > Thanks for answering though, this is what I think most people are > > > thinking when they send their support questions here. > > > > Perhaps a blurb stating that it is not a support list. I'm not > > sure how strong you feel about removing the list though. > > I think if people aren't reading the mailing list description then > adding more text isn't likely to help :) *nod* I agree with this comment. I don't see much reason to keep it either. -- Tom Rhodes