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Again, thanks for writing eBay. -- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 28 01:31:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045BB16A4CE for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:31:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED8443D53 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:31:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from [192.168.42.23] (andersonbox3.centtech.com [192.168.42.23]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id iBS1VdOJ031637; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:31:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <41D0B775.3030408@centtech.com> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:31:33 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041110 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vahric MUHTARYAN References: <200412241143.iBOBhTwR041675@smtp.doruk.net.tr> In-Reply-To: <200412241143.iBOBhTwR041675@smtp.doruk.net.tr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LoadBalancer With FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:31:48 -0000 Vahric MUHTARYAN wrote: > Hi Everybody , > > Do you know any load balancer program for FreeBSD like linux LVS > . I checked ports and find out morebalance-0.3 and loadd-0.8 ?! Anybody use > those programs?! > I want make a load balance on my frontend servers ?! > Could you give me advise about using hardware-load-balancer or > software-load-balancer ?! > And I wonder How many connection can handle FreeBSD box ?! Because hardware > load-balancer can up to 2.000.000 connection per box. I think that with PIII > and 512 machine I can handle ?! This might be better suited to the freebsd-performance lists, however I suppose this is as good of an audience as that. What kind of connections? When you say load balancer, do you mean true load balancing, or load distribution? Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Sr. Systems Administrator Centaur Technology When in doubt, mumble; when in trouble, delegate; when in charge, ponder ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 28 01:53:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD12316A4CE for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:53:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8213343D1F for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:53:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kstalledo@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 55so5378wri for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:53:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=oZgFn/KDVqX56ialmmaJos8SfTw7dXemkxJca2qu2glVeMRIrch4T4D9abHUELdOo0O963WhzRreWlJpCWL5OzzrHIAvFpNr2pk6t4eTSlAvw59PNb8JYVciBisQq19IZl26FMmbDxU3YhBSxEWDXVXIh+ne8B5Vin/5kCFgrA8= Received: by 10.54.57.8 with SMTP id f8mr58238wra; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:53:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.27.60 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:53:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:53:20 +0800 From: "Kahlil Erwin S. Talledo" To: Eric Anderson In-Reply-To: <41D0B775.3030408@centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200412241143.iBOBhTwR041675@smtp.doruk.net.tr> <41D0B775.3030408@centtech.com> cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: Vahric MUHTARYAN Subject: Re: LoadBalancer With FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Kahlil Erwin S. Talledo" List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:53:22 -0000 Vahric, Altq or Pf may be your next best friend. altq: http://daemon.rofug.ro/projects/freebsd-altq/ pf: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/ though Pf is native to OpenBSD... it has been ported to FreeBSD already. i hope this helps. Regards On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:31:33 -0600, Eric Anderson wrote: > Vahric MUHTARYAN wrote: > > Hi Everybody , > > > > Do you know any load balancer program for FreeBSD like linux LVS > > . I checked ports and find out morebalance-0.3 and loadd-0.8 ?! Anybody use > > those programs?! > > I want make a load balance on my frontend servers ?! > > Could you give me advise about using hardware-load-balancer or > > software-load-balancer ?! > > And I wonder How many connection can handle FreeBSD box ?! Because hardware > > load-balancer can up to 2.000.000 connection per box. I think that with PIII > > and 512 machine I can handle ?! > > This might be better suited to the freebsd-performance lists, however I > suppose this is as good of an audience as that. > > What kind of connections? > > When you say load balancer, do you mean true load balancing, or load > distribution? > > Eric > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Eric Anderson Sr. Systems Administrator Centaur Technology > When in doubt, mumble; when in trouble, delegate; when in charge, ponder > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- # K a h l i l E r w i n S . T a l l e d o # Systems/Network Manager # Riverside Medical Center, Inc. # # (P) BS Aquino Drive, Bacolod City 6100, PH # (T) 63.34.4337331.3131 # (M) 63.916.9247437 # (Y!) kinuxxx@yahoo.com # (MSN) kahliltalledo@hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 28 04:06:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7FE916A4CE for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 04:06:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from publicd.ub.mng.net (publicd.ub.mng.net [202.179.0.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5E443D3F for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 04:06:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ganbold@micom.mng.net) Received: from [202.179.0.164] (helo=ganbold.micom.mng.net) by publicd.ub.mng.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1Cj8fe-0002iW-Tf for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:09:19 +0800 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20041228120539.034089f0@202.179.0.80> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:06:03 +0800 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Ganbold Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: ipfw Traffic statistic by countries, TLD and sites X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 04:06:13 -0000 Hi, I'm using ipfw in bridged mode on FreebSD 5.3 FreeBSD fw.ub.mng.net 5.3-STABLE FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #10: Fri Nov 19 09:18:17 ULAT 2004 tsgan@fw.ub.mng.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FW i386 I would like to collect statistics from traffic, which passing through ipfw, and make report which should include usage statistics by countries, TLD, sites etc. In other words I would like to make customers Internet usage statistics by their accessed IP. Is it possible? How can I accomplish that? Do there any tools and methods exist? thanks in advance, Ganbold From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 28 04:45:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B50716A4CE for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 04:45:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mars.webnext.com (mars.webnext.com [213.161.193.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9074443D4C for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 04:45:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from apignard@webnext.com) Received: from mars.webnext.com (localhost.webnext.com [127.0.0.1]) by mars.webnext.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69DC9BE27; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 05:42:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from alfarn.webnext.com (alfortville-6-82-66-251-138.fbx.proxad.net [82.66.251.138]) by mars.webnext.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452149BE26; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 05:42:16 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20041228053234.0441d1b0@213.161.193.184> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 05:45:05 +0100 To: "Vahric MUHTARYAN" , From: Arnaud Pignard In-Reply-To: <200412241143.iBOBhTwR041675@smtp.doruk.net.tr> References: <200412241143.iBOBhTwR041675@smtp.doruk.net.tr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AV-Checked: NextEmail Subject: Re: LoadBalancer With FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 04:45:28 -0000 There is no real great LB on FreeBSD :/ There is loadd how seems not very active project (never test). You can do Round Robin with Ipfilter. Else you can try pen / morebalance etc... but depend of your need. They are just proxy. pen work very well. Number of connection is not a big problem with good sysctl value and compilation parameter. The limit will be the hardware bus and interruption. PF+CARP is certainely the best choose (check freebsd-pf list). But it's currently not avaible except with applying patch and seems not yet stable. (UCARP should be soon avaible on FBSD) Anyway, you will not find something like LVS. Best Regards, At 12:50 24/12/2004, Vahric MUHTARYAN wrote: >Hi Everybody , > > Do you know any load balancer program for FreeBSD like linux LVS >. I checked ports and find out morebalance-0.3 and loadd-0.8 ?! Anybody use >those programs?! >I want make a load balance on my frontend servers ?! >Could you give me advise about using hardware-load-balancer or >software-load-balancer ?! >And I wonder How many connection can handle FreeBSD box ?! Because hardware >load-balancer can up to 2.000.000 connection per box. I think that with PIII >and 512 machine I can handle ?! > >Thanks > >Vahric MUHTARYAN > > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 28 06:19:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A9F16A4CE for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 06:19:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from meisai.numachi.com (meisai.numachi.com [198.175.254.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D59C43D1F for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 06:19:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reichert@numachi.com) Received: (qmail 88994 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 06:19:00 -0000 Received: from natto.numachi.com (198.175.254.216) by meisai.numachi.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 06:19:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 41407 invoked by uid 1001); 28 Dec 2004 06:19:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:18:59 -0500 From: Brian Reichert To: Ganbold Message-ID: <20041228061859.GE216@numachi.com> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20041228120539.034089f0@202.179.0.80> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20041228120539.034089f0@202.179.0.80> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ipfw Traffic statistic by countries, TLD and sites X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 06:19:02 -0000 On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 12:06:03PM +0800, Ganbold wrote: > Hi, > > I'm using ipfw in bridged mode on FreebSD 5.3 > > FreeBSD fw.ub.mng.net 5.3-STABLE FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #10: Fri Nov 19 > 09:18:17 ULAT 2004 tsgan@fw.ub.mng.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FW i386 > > I would like to collect statistics from traffic, which passing through > ipfw, and make report which should include usage statistics by > countries, TLD, sites etc. Hmm, ntop has some cute 'views' of your network traffic; it's in port - go see if that's of any help... > thanks in advance, > > Ganbold -- Brian Reichert 37 Crystal Ave. #303 Daytime number: (603) 434-6842 Derry NH 03038-1713 USA BSD admin/developer at large From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 28 10:27:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461F416A4CE for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:27:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from publicd.ub.mng.net (publicd.ub.mng.net [202.179.0.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF2A43D3F for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:27:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ganbold@micom.mng.net) Received: from [202.179.0.164] (helo=ganbold.micom.mng.net) by publicd.ub.mng.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CjEcK-0005Xr-WC; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:30:17 +0800 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20041228182206.03402eb0@202.179.0.80> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:26:59 +0800 To: Brian Reichert From: Ganbold In-Reply-To: <20041228061859.GE216@numachi.com> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20041228120539.034089f0@202.179.0.80> <20041228061859.GE216@numachi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ipfw Traffic statistic by countries, TLD and sites X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:27:12 -0000 At 02:18 PM 12/28/2004, you wrote: >On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 12:06:03PM +0800, Ganbold wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm using ipfw in bridged mode on FreebSD 5.3 > > > > FreeBSD fw.ub.mng.net 5.3-STABLE FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #10: Fri Nov 19 > > 09:18:17 ULAT 2004 tsgan@fw.ub.mng.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FW i386 > > > > I would like to collect statistics from traffic, which passing through > > ipfw, and make report which should include usage statistics by > > countries, TLD, sites etc. > >Hmm, ntop has some cute 'views' of your network traffic; it's in >port - go see if that's of any help... ntop seems like eats RAM more. So I'm thinking to use p0f with GeoIP API and mysql to save IPs into mysql DB and then will make some post processing. Actually I already integrated p0f with GeoIP so there is left post processing part only. thanks, Ganbold > > thanks in advance, > > > > Ganbold > >-- >Brian Reichert >37 Crystal Ave. #303 Daytime number: (603) 434-6842 >Derry NH 03038-1713 USA BSD admin/developer at large From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 29 11:38:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A9516A4CE for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:38:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obh.snafu.de (obh.snafu.de [213.73.92.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582F843D5C for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:38:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ob@gruft.de) Received: from ob by obh.snafu.de with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1Cjc9z-0009WX-SH for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:38:36 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:38:35 +0100 From: Oliver Brandmueller To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20041229113835.GA29551@e-Gitt.NET> References: <200412241143.iBOBhTwR041675@smtp.doruk.net.tr> <6.2.0.14.2.20041228053234.0441d1b0@213.161.193.184> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20041228053234.0441d1b0@213.161.193.184> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Oliver Brandmueller Subject: Re: LoadBalancer With FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:38:38 -0000 Hi. On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 05:45:05AM +0100, Arnaud Pignard wrote: > There is no real great LB on FreeBSD :/ Yapp. > There is loadd how seems not very active project (never test). > You can do Round Robin with Ipfilter. > > Else you can try pen / morebalance etc... but depend of your need. > They are just proxy. pen work very well. > > Number of connection is not a big problem with good sysctl value and > compilation parameter. > The limit will be the hardware bus and interruption. > > PF+CARP is certainely the best choose (check freebsd-pf list). > But it's currently not avaible except with applying patch and seems not yet > stable. > (UCARP should be soon avaible on FBSD) > > Anyway, you will not find something like LVS. > > Best Regards, > > At 12:50 24/12/2004, Vahric MUHTARYAN wrote: > >Hi Everybody , > > > > Do you know any load balancer program for FreeBSD like linux > > LVS > >. I checked ports and find out morebalance-0.3 and loadd-0.8 ?! Anybody use > >those programs?! > >I want make a load balance on my frontend servers ?! > >Could you give me advise about using hardware-load-balancer or > >software-load-balancer ?! > >And I wonder How many connection can handle FreeBSD box ?! Because hardware > >load-balancer can up to 2.000.000 connection per box. I think that with > >PIII > >and 512 machine I can handle ?! Well, after reading all that: All these solutions need a certain time to set them up. I cannot really tell about their quality, but you should consider, that a solution like CARP can detect and do a failover a problem, when a server crashes - but not a service failure, like httpd not working correctly anymore. Then it's a question, what you are trying to balance. http only? If so: How about session handling (if you need that)? We use a hardware solution based on Alteon 180 (or 180e). You can buy those for less than 2000$ and they save you a lot of headaches. My 0.02$ - Oliver -- | Oliver Brandmueller | Offenbacher Str. 1 | Germany D-14197 Berlin | | Fon +49-172-3130856 | Fax +49-172-3145027 | WWW: http://the.addict.de/ | | Ich bin das Internet. Sowahr ich Gott helfe. | | Eine gewerbliche Nutzung aller enthaltenen Adressen ist nicht gestattet! | From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 29 13:04:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B602E16A4CE for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:04:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5450A43D1D for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:04:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kstalledo@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so17464wri for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 05:04:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=a9QqCG08zy+3r24PMVxldIi6QEkBC/Z9v2XZlGgTBGScGs5rjMIOCbJyU08JWtghmTaWJxxOG54k4JDyk5Ijlwu3PUMNMwk4Oqoc6rLpg6Qr7DApTuYnDEXyQHel7Nfmsa17BKTSyge7kGhX8XXn0OXHvo+Ju7gb+5w4hgNZjrk= Received: by 10.54.29.70 with SMTP id c70mr136770wrc; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 05:04:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.27.60 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 05:04:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:04:36 +0800 From: "Kahlil Erwin S. Talledo" To: Oliver Brandmueller In-Reply-To: <20041229113835.GA29551@e-Gitt.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200412241143.iBOBhTwR041675@smtp.doruk.net.tr> <6.2.0.14.2.20041228053234.0441d1b0@213.161.193.184> <20041229113835.GA29551@e-Gitt.NET> cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LoadBalancer With FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Kahlil Erwin S. Talledo" List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:04:37 -0000 Oliver, You can always whip up a scipt that would check if a certain service is up and running on your remote server... in the case of http you can throw an http request at it.... regards, On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:38:35 +0100, Oliver Brandmueller wrote: > Hi. > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 05:45:05AM +0100, Arnaud Pignard wrote: > > There is no real great LB on FreeBSD :/ > > Yapp. > > > There is loadd how seems not very active project (never test). > > You can do Round Robin with Ipfilter. > > > > Else you can try pen / morebalance etc... but depend of your need. > > They are just proxy. pen work very well. > > > > Number of connection is not a big problem with good sysctl value and > > compilation parameter. > > The limit will be the hardware bus and interruption. > > > > PF+CARP is certainely the best choose (check freebsd-pf list). > > But it's currently not avaible except with applying patch and seems not yet > > stable. > > (UCARP should be soon avaible on FBSD) > > > > Anyway, you will not find something like LVS. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > At 12:50 24/12/2004, Vahric MUHTARYAN wrote: > > >Hi Everybody , > > > > > > Do you know any load balancer program for FreeBSD like linux > > > LVS > > >. I checked ports and find out morebalance-0.3 and loadd-0.8 ?! Anybody use > > >those programs?! > > >I want make a load balance on my frontend servers ?! > > >Could you give me advise about using hardware-load-balancer or > > >software-load-balancer ?! > > >And I wonder How many connection can handle FreeBSD box ?! Because hardware > > >load-balancer can up to 2.000.000 connection per box. I think that with > > >PIII > > >and 512 machine I can handle ?! > > Well, after reading all that: > > All these solutions need a certain time to set them up. I cannot really > tell about their quality, but you should consider, that a solution like > CARP can detect and do a failover a problem, when a server crashes - but > not a service failure, like httpd not working correctly anymore. Then > it's a question, what you are trying to balance. http only? If so: How > about session handling (if you need that)? > > We use a hardware solution based on Alteon 180 (or 180e). You can buy > those for less than 2000$ and they save you a lot of headaches. > > My 0.02$ > > - Oliver > > -- > | Oliver Brandmueller | Offenbacher Str. 1 | Germany D-14197 Berlin | > | Fon +49-172-3130856 | Fax +49-172-3145027 | WWW: http://the.addict.de/ | > | Ich bin das Internet. Sowahr ich Gott helfe. | > | Eine gewerbliche Nutzung aller enthaltenen Adressen ist nicht gestattet! | > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- # K a h l i l E r w i n S . T a l l e d o # Systems/Network Manager # Riverside Medical Center, Inc. # # (P) BS Aquino Drive, Bacolod City 6100, PH # (T) 63.34.4337331.3131 # (M) 63.916.9247437 # (Y!) kinuxxx@yahoo.com # (MSN) kahliltalledo@hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 29 13:15:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9359716A4CE for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:15:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obh.snafu.de (obh.snafu.de [213.73.92.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148F343D49 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:15:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ob@gruft.de) Received: from ob by obh.snafu.de with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1Cjdfk-000Ax8-8T; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:15:28 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:15:28 +0100 From: Oliver Brandmueller To: "Kahlil Erwin S. Talledo" Message-ID: <20041229131525.GB29551@e-Gitt.NET> References: <200412241143.iBOBhTwR041675@smtp.doruk.net.tr> <6.2.0.14.2.20041228053234.0441d1b0@213.161.193.184> <20041229113835.GA29551@e-Gitt.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Oliver Brandmueller cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LoadBalancer With FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:15:30 -0000 Hi. On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 09:04:36PM +0800, Kahlil Erwin S. Talledo wrote: > You can always whip up a scipt that would check if a certain service > is up and running on your remote server... in the case of http you can > throw an http request at it.... That's fine as long as you have one loadbalanced service. That script has then to communicate it's findings to the loadbalancing stuff, so that this service goes out of service. In case of CARP: do you want to throw a complete server (with say DNS, IMAP, POP, SMTP and HTTP) out of the group, when one service fails? OK, for that you need a second, service-based balancer. You got to communicate with two services then. Sure, you can do all that. But at a certain point spending 1500$ for a solution that can be setup quickly and also applies to your OS of the choice next year might be less expensive. The original poster asked also for hardware solutions, I mentioned one I have good experiences with. I do not have enough information from him to really decide, what's the best solution for him. I just wanted to say, that even a good hardware LB is maybe not so much mure expensive than a new Gigabit switch. - Oliver -- | Oliver Brandmueller | Offenbacher Str. 1 | Germany D-14197 Berlin | | Fon +49-172-3130856 | Fax +49-172-3145027 | WWW: http://the.addict.de/ | | Ich bin das Internet. Sowahr ich Gott helfe. | | Eine gewerbliche Nutzung aller enthaltenen Adressen ist nicht gestattet! | From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 29 13:38:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D17C16A4CE for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:38:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ls405.htnet.hr (ls405.htnet.hr [195.29.150.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02CB43D54 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:38:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jere@htnet.hr) Received: from as401.htnet.hr (asc202.htnet.hr [195.29.150.5]) by ls405.htnet.hr (0.0.0/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBTDcYXC027292; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:38:34 +0100 Received: from ss402.htnet.hr (ss402.htnet.hr [195.29.150.40]) by as401.htnet.hr (0.0.0/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBTDcU3u1584117; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:38:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from ss402.htnet.hr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ss402.htnet.hr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E867217C; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:38:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from [195.29.148.251] (bla.htnet.hr [195.29.148.251])by ss402.htnet.hr (Postfix) with ESMTPid D6B8520D5; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:38:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41D2B33E.1080900@htnet.hr> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:38:06 +0100 From: jere Organization: bla User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041115) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kahlil Erwin S. Talledo" References: <200412241143.iBOBhTwR041675@smtp.doruk.net.tr> <6.2.0.14.2.20041228053234.0441d1b0@213.161.193.184> <20041229113835.GA29551@e-Gitt.NET> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-imss-version: 2.012 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-scores: Clean:99.90000 C:17 M:0 S:5 R:5 X-imss-settings: Baseline:2 C:1 M:1 S:1 R:1 (0.1500 0.1500) cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: Oliver Brandmueller Subject: Re: LoadBalancer With FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:38:58 -0000 for example, I'm currently using pop/imap proxy (http://www.vergenet.net/linux/perdition/) on two servers combined with ucarp (http://www.ucarp.org/) for ip migration in case of machine failure and with 'mon' (http://www.kernel.org/software/mon/) for service (perdition) failure. My 'mon' config checks availability of perdition every 30s and, in case of service failure, it just shutdowns ucarp (i.e. initiates ip migration to another machine using carp protocol). afterwards, when 'mon' detects perdition service is up it just starts my ucarp again. This configuration is based on two carp groups (two vip addresses) and it is possible, depending on failure scenario, both of them to be on just one of these machines and afterwards to another machine. In stable state every one of these machines has just one vip. This way I have highly available service and can do any kind of load balancing (DNS round robin etc....). This setup is achieved on linux machines but I think you can find appropriate substitution for FreeBSD (or write 'mon' script yourself for it is considered not to be a complex piece of code). Perdition pop/imap proxy is available through ports system, but I think carp is available as kernel patch only in FreeBSD. There is not a port of mon for FreeBSD as I know. hope help you a bit. bye, j. Kahlil Erwin S. Talledo wrote: > Oliver, > > You can always whip up a scipt that would check if a certain service > is up and running on your remote server... in the case of http you can > throw an http request at it.... > > regards, > > > > On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:38:35 +0100, Oliver Brandmueller wrote: > >>Hi. >> >>On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 05:45:05AM +0100, Arnaud Pignard wrote: >> >>>There is no real great LB on FreeBSD :/ >> >>Yapp. >> >> >>>There is loadd how seems not very active project (never test). >>>You can do Round Robin with Ipfilter. >>> >>>Else you can try pen / morebalance etc... but depend of your need. >>>They are just proxy. pen work very well. >>> >>>Number of connection is not a big problem with good sysctl value and >>>compilation parameter. >>>The limit will be the hardware bus and interruption. >>> >>>PF+CARP is certainely the best choose (check freebsd-pf list). >>>But it's currently not avaible except with applying patch and seems not yet >>>stable. >>>(UCARP should be soon avaible on FBSD) >>> >>>Anyway, you will not find something like LVS. >>> >>>Best Regards, >>> >>>At 12:50 24/12/2004, Vahric MUHTARYAN wrote: >>> >>>>Hi Everybody , >>>> >>>> Do you know any load balancer program for FreeBSD like linux >>>> LVS >>>>. I checked ports and find out morebalance-0.3 and loadd-0.8 ?! Anybody use >>>>those programs?! >>>>I want make a load balance on my frontend servers ?! >>>>Could you give me advise about using hardware-load-balancer or >>>>software-load-balancer ?! >>>>And I wonder How many connection can handle FreeBSD box ?! Because hardware >>>>load-balancer can up to 2.000.000 connection per box. I think that with >>>>PIII >>>>and 512 machine I can handle ?! >> >>Well, after reading all that: >> >>All these solutions need a certain time to set them up. I cannot really >>tell about their quality, but you should consider, that a solution like >>CARP can detect and do a failover a problem, when a server crashes - but >>not a service failure, like httpd not working correctly anymore. Then >>it's a question, what you are trying to balance. http only? If so: How >>about session handling (if you need that)? >> >>We use a hardware solution based on Alteon 180 (or 180e). You can buy >>those for less than 2000$ and they save you a lot of headaches. >> >>My 0.02$ >> >>- Oliver >> >>-- >>| Oliver Brandmueller | Offenbacher Str. 1 | Germany D-14197 Berlin | >>| Fon +49-172-3130856 | Fax +49-172-3145027 | WWW: http://the.addict.de/ | >>| Ich bin das Internet. Sowahr ich Gott helfe. | >>| Eine gewerbliche Nutzung aller enthaltenen Adressen ist nicht gestattet! | >>_______________________________________________ >>freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > >