From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 18 00:10:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16EE316A4CE; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:10:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D46D43D4C; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:10:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EEB0AE062; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:10:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 78264-07; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:10:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A1E55AE05E; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:10:02 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040118081002.A1E55AE05E@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:10:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-12-28 - 2004-01-17 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 08:10:11 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://www.FreshPorts.org/ - the place for ports FreshSource - http://www.FreshSource.org/ - the place for source From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 18 05:28:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9243816A4CF for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 05:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from jagor.srce.hr (jagor.srce.hr [161.53.2.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6367643D49 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 05:27:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mkrkac@public.srce.hr) Received: from public.srce.hr (cmung357.cmu.carnet.hr [193.198.129.103]) by jagor.srce.hr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0IDRn43012476 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:27:50 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <400A89CC.1060200@public.srce.hr> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:27:40 +0100 From: Marin Krkac User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter at jagor.srce.hr Subject: What about controllerless "hardware" modems? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:28:04 -0000 I have an internal "hardware" modem. When I bought it they said it was a hardware modem and it said so on the box too. It has an Intel/Ambient chipset, or more precisely, as the windows driver says, Intel 536ep. But I found out just a few days ago that it's not actually a real hardware modem. It has a DSP but it's controllerless - that part is in software. It's also called a HAM modem (a Host Accelerated Modem). There is a linux driver but I think it's only partially open-source. Is there any chance this modem might work under FreeBSD? Buying a new modem could be an option, but now that I've found out this "hardware" modem isn't exactly what I thought it would be, I'm confused. Besides soft modems, the only cheaper models I could buy are all contorollerless. There are some cheaper external models, but it says that they are also built around the Intel/Ambient chipset, so I don't see how they could be any better, even though they're external (that's really confusing me - so far I thought that there was no way you could go wrong with an external modem). The only thing that's left are the expensive models, like US Robotics. But they are a little too expensive for me, and I really don't see a point in running FreeBSD without a modem. Any advice would be really appreciated. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 18 05:59:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B8D216A4CE for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 05:59:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.tue.nl (mailhost.tue.nl [131.155.2.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2214543D49 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 05:58:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from V.Vandalon@student.tue.nl) Received: from mailhost.tue.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailhost.tue.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04450-14 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:58:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from studentex6.student.tue.nl (studentex6.student.tue.nl [131.155.4.58]) by mailhost.tue.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F8E171C3C for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:58:48 +0100 (CET) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:58:48 +0100 Message-ID: <15A800CA88C1EB4CBBA10B5390B158228480D2@studentex6.campus.tue.nl> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Good FreeBSD books Thread-Index: AcPdyzH8O6VUmxCNR+izfZrdECTiiQ== From: "Vandalon, V." To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tue.nl Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Good FreeBSD books X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:59:24 -0000 Hi, After trying a few linux distributions I ended up with something non = linux, FreeBSD. I've been able to set it up as a server, but I am hungry = for some in depth literature. I still don't feel as on top of the system = as I want. So I am looking for some good books. I've seen this book (Greg Lehey's book "The Complete FreeBSD") passing = by on the mailing list. But is it up to date? I can get edition 2003 so = I guess it is up to date. Are there more and better books? I am quite a newbie in UNIX so it must = cover also the basics. Regards Vincent=20 _______________________________________________________________ Vincent Vandalon =20 v.vandalon@student.tue.nl vincent@vandalon.nl +31-653534409 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 18 06:07:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8218A16A4CE for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 06:07:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A57DA43D48 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 06:07:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dark@unixdaemon.org) Received: from [217.160.230.51] (helo=smtp.perfora.net) by mout.perfora.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AiDaU-0003Tq-00; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:07:38 -0500 Received: from [24.169.60.91] (helo=mxus.perfora.net) by smtp.perfora.net with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AiDaU-0001Ez-00; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:07:38 -0500 Received: from unixdaemon.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mxus.perfora.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C061FEE; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:07:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from dark@localhost) by unixdaemon.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i0IE7hA0045181; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:07:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dark) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:07:42 -0500 From: Dev Tugnait To: "Vandalon, V." Message-ID: <20040118140742.GA45164@unixdaemon.org> References: <15A800CA88C1EB4CBBA10B5390B158228480D2@studentex6.campus.tue.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15A800CA88C1EB4CBBA10B5390B158228480D2@studentex6.campus.tue.nl> X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://unixdaemon.org X-Operating-System: Unix/5.2-RELEASE (i386) X-Uptime: 9:01AM up 12:27, 16 users, load averages: 0.11, 0.17, 0.16 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Good FreeBSD books X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:07:41 -0000 I personally started off with Annelise Anderson;s book titled "FreeBSD An open source Os For Your Personal Computer - Seocnd Edition" It is very newbie friendly maybe a little outdated but things have not changed that much. The handbook on the website is another excelelnt resource. I also recommend Absolute BSD by Micheal Lucas once your comfortable with UNIX it will make a good read. As far the new Grey Lehley book i have'nt read it but it is based on freebsd 5.x Out of all the books the first one mentioned is the most newbie friendly and simple book to understand the basics. It doesnt cover all topics as you move on to an intermediate level, mostly the main topics are covered by Absolute BSd. So get them both if you can. Have fun! * Vandalon, V. (V.Vandalon@student.tue.nl) wrote: > Hi, > > After trying a few linux distributions I ended up with something non linux, FreeBSD. I've been able to set it up as a server, but I am hungry for some in depth literature. I still don't feel as on top of the system as I want. So I am looking for some good books. > I've seen this book (Greg Lehey's book "The Complete FreeBSD") passing by on the mailing list. But is it up to date? I can get edition 2003 so I guess it is up to date. > > Are there more and better books? I am quite a newbie in UNIX so it must cover also the basics. > > Regards Vincent > > _______________________________________________________________ > Vincent Vandalon > > v.vandalon@student.tue.nl > vincent@vandalon.nl > +31-653534409 > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ----++--- ----------GnuPGPVer 1.2.3-------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/B9046473 2003-11-21 Dev Tugnait (Freebsd) Key fingerprint = F690 6725 1930 6FBE C05A FE4D 6CB1 34C1 B904 6473 sub 1024g/F8F019DF 2003-11-21 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 18 07:11:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B9E16A4CE for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:11:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CDFD743D64 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:11:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from krylon@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 22021 invoked by uid 65534); 18 Jan 2004 15:11:05 -0000 Received: from B6212.b.pppool.de (EHLO wintermute) (213.7.98.18) by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 16:11:05 +0100 X-Authenticated: #685629 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 16:11:10 +0100 From: Benjamin Walkenhorst To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <20040118161110.736c05b2.krylon@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <15A800CA88C1EB4CBBA10B5390B158228480D2@studentex6.campus.tue.nl> References: <15A800CA88C1EB4CBBA10B5390B158228480D2@studentex6.campus.tue.nl> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.7 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--netbsdelf) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="Signature=_Sun__18_Jan_2004_16_11_10_+0100_uR4dDJYuO_M3Wyzp" Subject: Re: Good FreeBSD books X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:11:36 -0000 --Signature=_Sun__18_Jan_2004_16_11_10_+0100_uR4dDJYuO_M3Wyzp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:58:48 +0100 "Vandalon, V." wrote: > Hi, Hello, > > After trying a few linux distributions I ended up with something non > linux, FreeBSD. I've been able to set it up as a server, but I am > hungry for some in depth literature. I still don't feel as on top of > the system as I want. So I am looking for some good books. I've seen > this book (Greg Lehey's book "The Complete FreeBSD") passing by on the > mailing list. But is it up to date? I can get edition 2003 so I guess > it is up to date. "The Complete FreeBSD" is really great. Since you seem to have some Unix-background, it should be rather helpful, both for introduction and as an advanced reference manual. > Are there more and better books? I am quite a newbie in UNIX so it > must cover also the basics. "Essential System Administration" by Aeleen Frisch, which covers general Unix-administration. The FreeBSD version it covers is 4.6, but in conjunction with the html-manual it should give you most of the things you need. The manual (you can find it under /usr/share/doc or online) is really good, too. If you know German, you can also check out "FreeBSD 5" by "Computer & Literatur" (C&L). > Regards Vincent Kind regards, Benjamin --Signature=_Sun__18_Jan_2004_16_11_10_+0100_uR4dDJYuO_M3Wyzp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (NetBSD) iD8DBQFACqIT/JWwsvZUqOwRAjOuAJ95YVdoQKPVRXmkDBPMpsTyxHYrngCfXszR r68QQnthS6FY9UPENlq9EbY= =Jehl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Sun__18_Jan_2004_16_11_10_+0100_uR4dDJYuO_M3Wyzp-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 18 09:09:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7DE116A4CE for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:09:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.neureal.com (mail.neureal.com [64.246.42.86]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4BEDD43D49 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:09:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vivekm@phreaker.net) Received: (qmail 9160 invoked by uid 110); 18 Jan 2004 17:09:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO phreaker.net) (202.88.233.113) by mail.neureal.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2004 17:09:09 -0000 Message-ID: <40096C29.9060103@phreaker.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:38:57 +0530 From: Vivek Mohan Organization: sig9 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030524 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <15A800CA88C1EB4CBBA10B5390B158228480D2@studentex6.campus.tue.nl> In-Reply-To: <15A800CA88C1EB4CBBA10B5390B158228480D2@studentex6.campus.tue.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: BSD Resources X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: vivekm@phreaker.net List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 17:09:12 -0000 Hi, I have compiled a set of BSD related bookmarks into the resources section of Sig9. I just thought that FreeBSD Newbies like me might want to check it out, so heres the link http://sig9.com/resources/os/bsd/ Vivek http://sig9.com/ PS: Appologies for shameless promotion ;) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 18 10:28:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1680316A4CE for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:28:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from lori.mine.nu (219-49.240.81.adsl.skynet.be [81.240.49.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A15D43D48 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:28:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from geert@lori.mine.nu) Received: by lori.mine.nu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A8F141E27E4; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:25:42 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:25:41 +0100 From: Geert Hendrickx To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040118182539.GA3052@lori> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i Subject: PDF version of Handbook is incomplete? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:28:40 -0000 The PDF version of the FreeBSD Handbook seems to be incomplete. It suddenly ends at page 596 (pdf page 614). You can also see this in the index, on page viii (pdf page 8), where the page- numbers after 593 are replaced by question marks. ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/en/books/handbook/book.pdf.bz2 Same problem with the .ps version, but not with the html versions. Does anyone know where I can find a complete PDF file (or the TeX sources for it, so I can create one myself) ? GH From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 18 11:16:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B6616A4CE for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 11:16:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f116.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4165F43D46 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 11:16:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 11:16:13 -0800 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:16:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] X-Sender: crollins666@hotmail.com From: "clayton rollins" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:16:13 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2004 19:16:13.0984 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A15A200:01C3DDF7] cc: mkrkac@public.srce.hr Subject: Re: What about controllerless "hardware" modems? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:16:19 -0000 Hi Marin, On Jan., 18 2004 Marin Krkac wrote: > >I have an internal "hardware" modem. When I bought it they said it was a >hardware modem and it said so on the box too. It has an Intel/Ambient >chipset, or more precisely, as the windows driver says, Intel 536ep. But >I found out just a few days ago that it's not actually a real hardware >modem. It has a DSP but it's controllerless - that part is in software. >It's also called a HAM modem (a Host Accelerated Modem). There is a >linux driver but I think it's only partially open-source. Is there any >chance this modem might work under FreeBSD? > The best information I could find on this was a somewhat old thread on -hackers. http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org/msg38233.html Looking at the code, it doesn't seem as though it would be impossible to port the code. But, it's definitely not something a typical newbie would want to do. (Maybe if you're good in C, already.) You might try running one of the binary linux drivers through linux compatibility. If you need technical assistance in doing this, the -questions list should be able to help you. There is a chapter in the handbook on this: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/linuxemu.html Alternately, you might contact the originator of that thread, to see if they had already created some hacked version. (Braulio José Solano Rojas) > >Buying a new modem could be an option, but now that I've found out this >"hardware" modem isn't exactly what I thought it would be, I'm confused. >Besides soft modems, the only cheaper models I could buy are all >contorollerless. There are some cheaper external models, but it says >that they are also built around the Intel/Ambient chipset, so I don't >see how they could be any better, even though they're external (that's >really confusing me - so far I thought that there was no way you could >go wrong with an external modem). > >The only thing that's left are the expensive models, like US Robotics. >But they are a little too expensive for me, and I really don't see a >point in running FreeBSD without a modem. > >Any advice would be really appreciated. >Thanks. > I've not used any modems under freebsd, nor could I find a good document to point you to for this information. Sorry. Regards, Clayton _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up — fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 19 01:53:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A437816A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:53:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenada.globat.com (grenada.globat.com [203.22.204.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A951843D48 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:53:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@mazenalzogbi.com) Received: from tonga.globat.com (tonga.globat.com [203.22.204.117]) by grenada.globat.com (8.12.6p3/8.12.6) with SMTP id i0J9r9Qg069834 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:53:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@mazenalzogbi.com) Received: (qmail 65617 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 09:53:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO MAZEN) (217.165.189.188) by tonga.globat.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 09:53:08 -0000 From: "Mazen S. Alzogbi" To: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:52:31 +0400 Message-ID: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB4A6A8F7@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: Digital USB Camera X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:53:11 -0000 Hi, I recently bought the Casio Exilim Z4 Digital Camera (http://world.casio.com/exilim/en/ex_z4/) and it only works with Win/Mac :( As a 1 month old FreeBSD lover I got to ask: is there anyway I can hook this camera up with my laptop (which runs 4.9-RELEASE) and make them "talk" ? I appreciate your help. Cheers, Mazen S. Alzogbi www.MazenAlzogbi.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 19 04:52:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A0A16A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 04:52:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from gaff.hhhr.ision.net (gaff.hhhr.ision.net [195.180.9.213]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1596243D58 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 04:52:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ohoyer@gaff.hhhr.ision.net) Received: from gaff.hhhr.ision.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gaff.hhhr.ision.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0JCqgOL056930; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:52:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ohoyer@gaff.hhhr.ision.net) Received: from localhost (ohoyer@localhost)i0JCqfSm056927; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:52:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ohoyer@gaff.hhhr.ision.net) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:52:41 +0100 (CET) From: Olaf Hoyer To: "Mazen S. Alzogbi" In-Reply-To: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB4A6A8F7@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> Message-ID: <20040119134711.D56911@gaff.hhhr.ision.net> References: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB4A6A8F7@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Digital USB Camera X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:52:45 -0000 On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, Mazen S. Alzogbi wrote: > Hi, > > I recently bought the Casio Exilim Z4 Digital Camera > (http://world.casio.com/exilim/en/ex_z4/) and it only works with Win/Mac > :( > > As a 1 month old FreeBSD lover I got to ask: is there anyway I can hook > this camera up with my laptop (which runs 4.9-RELEASE) and make them > "talk" ? Hi! well, even gphoto does not support the particular model, but there is a slight chance that the device operates in standard USB mass storage mode. Simply hook it up, and wait for the umass driver to have a guess... HTH Olaf -- Olaf Hoyer ohoyer@gaff.hhhr.ision.net Fuerchterliche Erlebniss geben zu raten, ob der, welcher sie erlebt, nicht etwas Fuerchterliches ist. (Nietzsche, Jenseits von Gut und Boese) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 19 11:16:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688E116A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:16:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A33843D54 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:16:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:2987 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Aiess-00070f-5Q; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:16:26 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:09:21 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id VDN3DRDY; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:08:20 -0800 From: Johnson David To: Marin Krkac , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:14:31 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <400A89CC.1060200@public.srce.hr> In-Reply-To: <400A89CC.1060200@public.srce.hr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401191114.31546.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1Aiess-00070f-5Q*Cp5wv0WdTeo* Subject: Re: What about controllerless "hardware" modems? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:16:42 -0000 On Sunday 18 January 2004 05:27 am, Marin Krkac wrote: > I have an internal "hardware" modem. When I bought it they said it > was a hardware modem and it said so on the box too. It has an > Intel/Ambient chipset, or more precisely, as the windows driver says, > Intel 536ep. But I found out just a few days ago that it's not > actually a real hardware modem. It has a DSP but it's controllerless > - that part is in software. It's also called a HAM modem (a Host > Accelerated Modem). There is a linux driver but I think it's only > partially open-source. Is there any chance this modem might work > under FreeBSD? For technical advice on modems, I would redirect this question to the freebsd-hardware or freebsd-questions lists. That's what they're there for. But on to non-technical answers. You're going to have a devil of a time getting winmodems working under FreeBSD. Porting their drivers over can be very problematic because of the differences in kernel achitectures. I have heard that there had be some limited success with some modems, but I don't know much more. You're best bet is still to avoid any winmodems. As you've discovered, "hardware" modems don't necessarily have all of their functionality in hardware. Virtually all external serial modems are real modems, but very few external USB modems are. If you were told by the store/salesman that it was a hardware modem, but that it requires functionality not located in hardware, there should be adequate ground for returning it to the store, even if they have a poor return policy. Someone really needs to come up with a list of 100% genuine hardware modems. I don't use a modem any longer, so I can't tell you what works for me. I had used Actiontec in the past with success, but looking at their website, their internal modems do not look like they're "real" modems any longer. But their external serial 56K/V.92 modem makes a special emphasis to say that they are. But it's twice the price of their internal modem. Sigh. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 19 11:31:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5682B16A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:31:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E2843D39 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:31:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:4710 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Aif6t-0000jN-4u; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:30:55 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:23:50 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id VDN3DRK9; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:22:47 -0800 From: Johnson David To: "Mazen S. Alzogbi" , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:28:58 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB4A6A8F7@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> In-Reply-To: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB4A6A8F7@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401191128.58388.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1Aif6t-0000jN-4u*Bt2OxjJTf/k* Subject: Re: Digital USB Camera X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:31:11 -0000 On Monday 19 January 2004 01:52 am, Mazen S. Alzogbi wrote: > Hi, > > I recently bought the Casio Exilim Z4 Digital Camera > (http://world.casio.com/exilim/en/ex_z4/) and it only works with > Win/Mac > > :( > > As a 1 month old FreeBSD lover I got to ask: is there anyway I can > hook this camera up with my laptop (which runs 4.9-RELEASE) and make > them "talk" ? The specifications page seems to imply that it uses standard USB protocols (look the mac section, where it says "With OS 9/10.1/10.2, USB connection is possible with the standard OS USB driver"). To me this says that it works as a USB mass storage device (umass). Look at the umass man page for technical stuff (and how to make sure you have a kernel that supports it). To see if it's being properly detected, plug it in, then look at the the console (or dmesg) to see what the kernel says. There was an article on using digital cameras under FreeBSD, but I can't seem to find it right now. If you're still having troubles, you might want to consider FreeBSD-5.2. I had one umass device (Creative Nuvo MP3 player) that didn't work under FreeBSD-5.1, but it works fine under FreeBSD-5.2. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 19 15:20:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A3C16A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:20:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from jagor.srce.hr (jagor.srce.hr [161.53.2.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E6F43D1D for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:20:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mkrkac@public.srce.hr) Received: from public.srce.hr (cmung3103.cmu.carnet.hr [193.198.140.55]) by jagor.srce.hr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0JNKQrF029006; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:20:30 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <400C6745.60306@public.srce.hr> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:24:53 +0100 From: Marin Krkac User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: clayton rollins References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter at jagor.srce.hr cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What about controllerless "hardware" modems? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:20:41 -0000 clayton rollins wrote: > Hi Marin, > > On Jan., 18 2004 Marin Krkac wrote: > >> >> I have an internal "hardware" modem. When I bought it they said it was a >> hardware modem and it said so on the box too. It has an Intel/Ambient >> chipset, or more precisely, as the windows driver says, Intel 536ep. But >> I found out just a few days ago that it's not actually a real hardware >> modem. It has a DSP but it's controllerless - that part is in software. >> It's also called a HAM modem (a Host Accelerated Modem). There is a >> linux driver but I think it's only partially open-source. Is there any >> chance this modem might work under FreeBSD? > > You might try running one of the binary linux drivers through linux > compatibility. If you need technical assistance in doing this, the > -questions list should be able to help you. There is a chapter in the > handbook on this: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/linuxemu.html I didn't know linux compatibility also applies to drivers. Thanks for your help. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 19 15:25:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1481916A4CF for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:25:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from jagor.srce.hr (jagor.srce.hr [161.53.2.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1509143D5A for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:25:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mkrkac@public.srce.hr) Received: from public.srce.hr (cmung3103.cmu.carnet.hr [193.198.140.55]) by jagor.srce.hr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0JNOvrF029564; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:24:58 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <400C6863.4050804@public.srce.hr> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:29:39 +0100 From: Marin Krkac User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Johnson David References: <400A89CC.1060200@public.srce.hr> <200401191114.31546.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> In-Reply-To: <200401191114.31546.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter at jagor.srce.hr cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What about controllerless "hardware" modems? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:25:04 -0000 Johnson David wrote: > On Sunday 18 January 2004 05:27 am, Marin Krkac wrote: > >>I have an internal "hardware" modem. When I bought it they said it >>was a hardware modem and it said so on the box too. It has an >>Intel/Ambient chipset, or more precisely, as the windows driver says, >>Intel 536ep. But I found out just a few days ago that it's not >>actually a real hardware modem. It has a DSP but it's controllerless >>- that part is in software. It's also called a HAM modem (a Host >>Accelerated Modem). There is a linux driver but I think it's only >>partially open-source. Is there any chance this modem might work >>under FreeBSD? > > > For technical advice on modems, I would redirect this question to the > freebsd-hardware or freebsd-questions lists. That's what they're there > for. I wasn't exactly looking for technical advice. First I wanted to see if there is any chance it would work at all. I still hope there is, so I think I'm going to ask there. > But on to non-technical answers. You're going to have a devil of a time > getting winmodems working under FreeBSD. Porting their drivers over can > be very problematic because of the differences in kernel achitectures. > I have heard that there had be some limited success with some modems, > but I don't know much more. I know this modem isn't exactly what I expected (it's not completely in hardware), but I wouldn't call it just a winmodem. The box clearly says it's a "hardware-based modem, built-in processor", so I think that should help a little to increase the chances it might work. I mean it isn't a real hardware modem, but it isn't a soft-modem either. Because, as I've said already, if it doesn't work, I really don't see a point in running FreeBSD. There is no other way I can get on-line. Thanks for your help. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 19 15:53:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B0E16A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:53:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f127.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.127]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0DFC43D1F for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:53:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:53:14 -0800 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:53:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] X-Sender: crollins666@hotmail.com From: "clayton rollins" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:53:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2004 23:53:14.0430 (UTC) FILETIME=[670E2DE0:01C3DEE7] cc: mkrkac@public.srce.hr Subject: Re: What about controllerless "hardware" modems? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:53:16 -0000 On Jan., 19 2004 Marin Krkac wrote: >clayton rollins wrote: > >>Hi Marin, >> >>On Jan., 18 2004 Marin Krkac wrote: >> >>> >>>I have an internal "hardware" modem. When I bought it they said it was a >>>hardware modem and it said so on the box too. It has an Intel/Ambient >>>chipset, or more precisely, as the windows driver says, Intel 536ep. But >>>I found out just a few days ago that it's not actually a real hardware >>>modem. It has a DSP but it's controllerless - that part is in software. >>>It's also called a HAM modem (a Host Accelerated Modem). There is a >>>linux driver but I think it's only partially open-source. Is there any >>>chance this modem might work under FreeBSD? >> >>You might try running one of the binary linux drivers through linux >>compatibility. If you need technical assistance in doing this, the >>-questions list should be able to help you. There is a chapter in the >>handbook on this: >>http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/linuxemu.html > >I didn't know linux compatibility also applies to drivers. > >Thanks for your help. > Hi Marin, Eeek! I should have been clearer about what I meant... I have no idea if the compatibilty layer is capable of this; I just thought it would be something to try. The little sentence about technical support and -questions was meant to point you in the right direction if this doesn't work, or if you needed further advice about using linux compatibility. Hope you get it working... :) Regards, Clayton _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. http://wine.msn.com/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 19 16:15:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B3216A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:15:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from m5.nyc.untd.com (m5.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B83443D46 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:15:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrrelay@juno.com) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"R9CnQVXkTy4RC5ELwduHufxtT3QIxiA+GOiVxmeZhLeqkfHfAejVvw==">; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:14:44 PST Received: (from jrrelay@juno.com) by m5.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JLAY5F48; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:14:44 PST To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:14:00 -0600 Message-ID: <20040119.181402.-176941.2.jrrelay@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 14 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: jrrelay@juno.com Subject: Re: Digital USB Camera X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:15:41 -0000 i recently got a hp digital camera having a usb interface. it has small amount of internal memory but also has a 128mb SD (smart-digital) card. there is a cdrom which comes with the camera which has the windoze program to retrieve the photos. I also have a small usb reader for the sd cards. if i take the usb card out of the camera and put it in the reader, i can gather the pictures. i have not yet tried to gather them through the camera. the puzzle for bsd will be discovering the device name to use when mounting the device. it may be (and this is only a guess) necessary to have the camera connected to the usb port while starting bsd and watching the installed devices roll by as the start proceeds. there is some program which captures many of the start-up messages for later review -- the name is something like 'dmesg'. i know that with linux the usb storage devices which i have are considered to be scsi devices or maybe just have a device name somewhat like a device name for a scsi device. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 19 16:16:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94CDC16A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:16:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A4A243D5A for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:16:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:3512 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AijZ7-0000Et-5W; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:16:21 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:09:15 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id VDN3DVMY; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:08:12 -0800 From: Johnson David To: Marin Krkac Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:14:23 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <400A89CC.1060200@public.srce.hr> <200401191114.31546.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> <400C6863.4050804@public.srce.hr> In-Reply-To: <400C6863.4050804@public.srce.hr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401191614.23553.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1AijZ7-0000Et-5W*CFsi1LeSOzE* cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What about controllerless "hardware" modems? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:16:48 -0000 On Monday 19 January 2004 03:29 pm, Marin Krkac wrote: > Because, as I've said already, if it doesn't work, I really > don't see a point in running FreeBSD. There is no other way I can get > on-line. Regardless of whether this is a "hardware" or "software" modem, it clearly is a modem designed to be used under Windows only. As such, I call it a "winmodem". Look at the FreeBSD FAQ (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/faq/hardware.html#SUPPORT-WINMODEM) for a couple of ports that might possibly help. There are many ways to get online besides using one specific model of modem. I know it's a pain in the butt, but you cannot buy Windows-only hardware and then complain that you can't use it on another OS. (If you just want to commiserate, you have my full sympathy, and if you are ever in the area, I will buy you a beer). Those of us who have been using non-MS operating systems for a while have learned the hard and painful way that you must research your hardware before you buy it. It's very annoying, but it's one of the prices you pay for not using Windows. p.s. When you do find a hardware manufacturer that specifically supports FreeBSD, buy their product and go out of your way to thank them. It's the only reason I am using an NVidia video card instead of ATI. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 19 17:23:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0C316A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:23:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1246F43D2D for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:23:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:1213 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Aikbu-0006ux-4f; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:23:18 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:16:14 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id VDN3DW2A; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:15:14 -0800 From: Johnson David To: jrrelay@juno.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:21:24 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <20040119.181402.-176941.2.jrrelay@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20040119.181402.-176941.2.jrrelay@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401191721.24903.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1Aikbu-0006ux-4f*GRQAh84RXk2* Subject: Re: SPAM: 03.90: Re: Digital USB Camera X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 01:23:34 -0000 On Monday 19 January 2004 04:14 pm, jrrelay@juno.com wrote: > ...the puzzle > for bsd will be discovering the device name to use when mounting the > device. It should be the first available SCSI disk device. If you don't have any SCSI disks or other USB umass devices attached, it should always be /dev/da0. > ...it may be (and this is only a guess) necessary to have the > camera connected to the usb port while starting bsd and watching the > installed devices roll by as the start proceeds. there is some > program which captures many of the start-up messages for later review > -- the name is something like 'dmesg'. It is dmesg. But you can also see the output on the console, at the time you insert the device. You don't have to wait until bootup. For example, here's the output on the console when I plug in my thumbdrive: umass0: JUNGSOFT CO.,LTD NEXDISK, rev 1.10/1.00, addr 2 GEOM: create disk da0 dp=0xc2d76050 da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Removable Direct Access SCSI-0 device da0: 1.000MB/s transfers da0: 127MB (261760 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 127C) The actual fat32 filesystem on the device is mapped to /dev/da0s1. I use KDE, and creating an icon to automatically mount this when clicked on is very convenient. I click on the camera icon and the filemanager pops up ready to drag and drop photos around. Right click and select "Unmount", and I can remove it. It took a slight amount of work to set up (fiddling with devfs and sysctl to allow users to mount devices), but several Windows users have commented on how much easier it is to use then what they have. Of course, Mac users just yawn :-) David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 19 19:20:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66D716A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:20:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from web21509.mail.yahoo.com (web21509.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.58]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1830443D46 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:20:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danimariepies@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040120032056.48520.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [137.151.126.146] by web21509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:20:56 PST Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:20:56 -0800 (PST) From: Veronica Brainfluff To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20040119200058.1EF9616A546@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: POSIX Threads X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:20:57 -0000 This might be too complicated..but I was trying to install gtmess and it halted with this message: "cannot find posix threads library." How do I go about correcting that problem? Thanks! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 20 03:04:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F7316A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from lori.mine.nu (220.196-201-80.adsl.skynet.be [80.201.196.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEBFE43D39 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:04:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from geert.hendrickx@ua.ac.be) Received: from lori.mine.nu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lori.mine.nu (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A1B513A6F for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:30:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from 192.168.1.210 (SquirrelMail authenticated user geert) by lori.mine.nu with HTTP; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:30:31 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <1121.192.168.1.210.1074587431.squirrel@lori.mine.nu> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:30:31 +0100 (CET) From: "Geert Hendrickx" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Subject: FreeBSD framebuffers X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:04:28 -0000 Hello, I'm used to having framebuffers in Linux, I would like to have that in FreeBSD too. I already reconfigured en compiled my kernel with "options VESA" enabled. I have also added > font8x8="/usr/share/syscons/fonts/iso-8x8.fnt" > all_screens_flags="132x43" at the bottom of /etc/rc.conf, and rebooted, but it doesn't make a difference. Anyone knows what else I should do to get framebuffers working? GH From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 20 12:36:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4F416A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:36:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from rdsnet.ro (smtp.rdsnet.ro [62.231.74.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1029643D5E for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:36:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from itetcu@apropo.ro) Received: (qmail 22724 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 20:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro) (81.196.25.19) by mail.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 20:36:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:37:39 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: Veronica Brainfluff Message-Id: <20040120223739.0665ebdc@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> In-Reply-To: <20040120032056.48520.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040119200058.1EF9616A546@hub.freebsd.org> <20040120032056.48520.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: POSIX Threads X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:36:16 -0000 On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:20:56 -0800 (PST) Veronica Brainfluff wrote: > This might be too complicated..but I was trying to > install gtmess and it halted with this message: > "cannot find posix threads library." How do I go > about correcting that problem? > > Thanks! Once again: 1. uname -a output. 2. A few context lines of the error, etc. What is gtmess ? itetcu@it> /root/bin [22:26:24] 0 # whereis gtmess gtmess: itetcu@it> /root/bin [22:34:58] 0 # locate gtmess itetcu@it> /root/bin [22:35:49] 0 # locate gtmes itetcu@it> /root/bin [22:35:51] 0 # locate gtm itetcu@it> /root/bin [22:35:53] 0 # whatis gtmess gtmess: nothing appropriate itetcu@it> /root/bin [22:36:24] 0 # apropos gtmess gtmess: nothing appropriate So help us to help you ... -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD user From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 07:12:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7037D16A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:12:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.uklinux.net (s4.uklinux.net [80.84.72.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24AD43D6A for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:12:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@holley.uklinux.net) Received: from localhost (s4.uklinux.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.uklinux.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0C8409FAF for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:12:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail2.uklinux.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (s4.uklinux.net [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with ESMTP id 04100-07 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:12:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from holley.uklinux.net (unknown [212.125.81.6]) by mail2.uklinux.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5932409FA9 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:12:02 +0000 (UTC) Sender: polarbear@uklinux.net Message-ID: <400E9846.4C3D4FE7@holley.uklinux.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:18:30 +0000 From: Julian Holley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: Speed ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:12:40 -0000 Hi folks - I recently installed FreeBSD 5.2 on an IBM TP 390x on which I have successfully run Linux 2.2.* for years now, but I notice that BSD seems to be distinctly slowly - I mean in regards to user interact - i.e. desktop development (as you can imagine it's not a server) .... this is not what I expected, I thought FreeBSD would be about the same or maybe faster (more snappy) - is this usual ? or do I have somat wrong with my installation ? J also anyone else using FreeBSD on IBM laptops - as both APM and APCI seem to fail for my machine :( -- Powered by IBM Running Linux From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 09:23:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3096716A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:23:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from nature.Berkeley.EDU (nature.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.253.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F6943D1F for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:23:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gvrdolja@nature.Berkeley.EDU) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nature.Berkeley.EDU (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2574FC1E39; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:23:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from nature.Berkeley.EDU ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nature [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12765-09; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:23:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by nature.Berkeley.EDU (Postfix, from userid 7458) id 2B187C1E3B; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:23:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nature.Berkeley.EDU (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5AFC1E40; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:23:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:23:10 -0800 (PST) From: Gordon Vrololjak To: Julian Holley In-Reply-To: <400E9846.4C3D4FE7@holley.uklinux.net> Message-ID: References: <400E9846.4C3D4FE7@holley.uklinux.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at nature.berkeley.edu cc: "freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Speed ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:23:14 -0000 Recompile the kernel.... it speeds it up a lot for me and solve the unresponsiveness. Remove unecessary stuff not in your computer. \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Gordon Ante Vrdoljak Electron Microscope Lab ICQ 23243541 http://nature.berkeley.edu/~gvrdolja 26 Giannini Hall gvrdolja@nature.berkeley.edu UC Berkeley phone (510) 642-2085 Berkeley CA 94720-3330 fax (510) 643-6207 cell (510) 290-6793 On Wed, 21 Jan 2004, Julian Holley wrote: > Hi folks - I recently installed FreeBSD 5.2 on an IBM TP 390x on which I > have successfully run Linux 2.2.* for years now, but I notice that BSD > seems to be distinctly slowly - I mean in regards to user interact - > i.e. desktop development (as you can imagine it's not a server) .... > this is not what I expected, I thought FreeBSD would be about the same > or maybe faster (more snappy) - is this usual ? or do I have somat wrong > with my installation ? J > > also anyone else using FreeBSD on IBM laptops - as both APM and APCI > seem to fail for my machine :( > > -- > > Powered by IBM Running Linux > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 10:14:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9005216A4D0 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:14:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from lori.mine.nu (172.50-136-217.adsl.skynet.be [217.136.50.172]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7B143D39 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:14:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from geert.hendrickx@ua.ac.be) Received: from lori.mine.nu (unknown [192.168.1.210]) by lori.mine.nu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C941F4C8 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:10:59 +0100 (CET) From: Geert Hendrickx To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:15:56 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401211915.57747.geert.hendrickx@ua.ac.be> Subject: Speed ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:14:31 -0000 I recently installed FreeBSD 4.9 on my laptop (Toshiba), and it runs significantly better on it than Gentoo Linux did. I really notice the difference. About some laptop-specific hardware: my PCMCIA-card worked out of the box, and APM worked after recompiling my kernel. So I think FreeBSD is very laptop-friendly (at least more than e.g. OpenBSD). GH From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 10:14:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADCB516A4E2 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:14:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E991143D48 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:14:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:3953 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AjMsA-0001VL-4Z; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:14:38 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:07:28 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id VDN314T5; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:06:21 -0800 From: Johnson David To: Julian Holley , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:12:33 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <400E9846.4C3D4FE7@holley.uklinux.net> In-Reply-To: <400E9846.4C3D4FE7@holley.uklinux.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401211012.33786.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1AjMsA-0001VL-4Z*15ODT24jJIM* Subject: Re: Speed ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:14:58 -0000 On Wednesday 21 January 2004 07:18 am, Julian Holley wrote: > Hi folks - I recently installed FreeBSD 5.2 on an IBM TP 390x on > which I have successfully run Linux 2.2.* for years now, but I notice > that BSD seems to be distinctly slowly - I mean in regards to user > interact - i.e. desktop development (as you can imagine it's not a > server) .... this is not what I expected, I thought FreeBSD would be > about the same or maybe faster (more snappy) - is this usual ? or do > I have somat wrong with my installation ? J Recompile the kernel, and make sure you remove the debugging options. These are on in the default kernel, because it's still considered a development kernel (stable is still 4.9). Other tips: Make sure your filesystems are using softupdates, except for the root filesystem if it is small (a subjective judgement). Rebuild your ports, especially XFree86, KDE and GNOME, for your specific architecture (586, 686, athlon, etc). > also anyone else using FreeBSD on IBM laptops - as both APM and APCI > seem to fail for my machine :( I've got FreeBSD 5.2 on a Compaq Presario laptop, and ACPI is working fine. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 10:56:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CDCF16A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:56:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B7F8243D1F for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:56:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from krylon@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 812 invoked by uid 65534); 21 Jan 2004 18:56:35 -0000 Received: from B626a.b.pppool.de (EHLO wintermute) (213.7.98.106) by mail.gmx.net (mp011) with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 19:56:35 +0100 X-Authenticated: #685629 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:26:08 +0100 From: Benjamin Walkenhorst To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <20040121182608.155e71f2.krylon@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <400E9846.4C3D4FE7@holley.uklinux.net> References: <400E9846.4C3D4FE7@holley.uklinux.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.7 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--netbsdelf) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="Signature=_Wed__21_Jan_2004_18_26_08_+0100_gczRfFjgKkG=I3f/" Subject: Re: Speed ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:56:47 -0000 --Signature=_Wed__21_Jan_2004_18_26_08_+0100_gczRfFjgKkG=I3f/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:18:30 +0000 Julian Holley wrote: > Hi folks - I recently installed FreeBSD 5.2 on an IBM TP 390x on which > I have successfully run Linux 2.2.* for years now, but I notice that > BSD seems to be distinctly slowly - I mean in regards to user interact > - i.e. desktop development (as you can imagine it's not a server) .... > this is not what I expected, I thought FreeBSD would be about the same > or maybe faster (more snappy) - is this usual ? or do I have somat > wrong with my installation ? J I can't tell you for sure, but 5.2 is behaving a bit laggy in some respects on my Athlon XP 2400+ (2.000MHz actually) with 256MB RAM. In summer had installed 5.0 on a Pentium III 450, and it seemed fast like lightning compared to the (slightly modified) SuSE 7.3 Pro I had installed on that machine. But then, SuSE is not exactly know for speed. =) On the Athlon, I have Slackware 9.1 installed, too, and I am under the impression that 5.2 is just as fast, at best. =/ But in fact, it's behaving pretty well. There's just three things I explicitly notice: a) mounting NFS-shares from my second machine (Athlon 700, 160MB RAM, NetBSD 1.6.2_RC4) takes some time... With Linux 2.4, 2.6 and NetBSD 1.6.1, this did not take as long. b) starting graphical login at boot-time takes looooong. But then, I am using kdm (because of the useful shutdown/restart-buttons), which very well may just be slow to load. c) When I press a button in XMMS (1.2.8), it takes about half a second up to second before XMMS reacts. For example, if XMMS is in "pause" and I press "stop", it resumes playing music for half a second, before it stops... But all in all, I'm rather happy. The ease of configuring and updating the system just outweighs little performance issues for me. =) Kind regards, Benjamin --Signature=_Wed__21_Jan_2004_18_26_08_+0100_gczRfFjgKkG=I3f/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (NetBSD) iD8DBQFADrYw/JWwsvZUqOwRAkO1AJ9o8JGf/17nlCOHF0+nn2PnuCzJgQCfZ3Z6 Z6AZ3xXSNNH0l1TJm9b3zjg= =f3jY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Wed__21_Jan_2004_18_26_08_+0100_gczRfFjgKkG=I3f/-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 11:59:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A331416A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:59:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from lori.mine.nu (172.50-136-217.adsl.skynet.be [217.136.50.172]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA6A43D31 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:59:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from geert.hendrickx@ua.ac.be) Received: from lori.mine.nu (unknown [192.168.1.210]) by lori.mine.nu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED551F4C8 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:56:05 +0100 (CET) From: Geert Hendrickx To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:00:57 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401212100.58369.geert.hendrickx@ua.ac.be> Subject: doc/xls/ppt file viewer, not editor? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:59:34 -0000 Hi, I'm looking for some lightweight .doc/.xls/.ppt file viewer. I don't need a full-blown OpenOffice or KOffice, as I don't need to edit or create my own MS-Office files (TeX user ;-)), I just want to be able to read those files which people keep mailing me. Does anyone know such a viewer application? GH From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 16:07:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43FD816A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:07:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail18.svr.pol.co.uk (mail18.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.67.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38EAD43D48 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:07:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@holley.uklinux.net) Received: from modem-260.giraffe.dialup.pol.co.uk ([81.78.81.4] helo=holley.uklinux.net) by mail18.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AjSL2-0003SS-4q for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:04:48 +0000 Message-ID: <400F1591.5060508@holley.uklinux.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:13:05 +0000 From: Julian Holley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031208 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: apm problems on thinkpad X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:07:24 -0000 Hi all - I'm having problems with an IBM TP 390x laptop - I'm using apm on FreeBSD5.2 (not acpi) - suspend works but on resume I get the resume messages stall at :- "ata0: resetting devices .." -> leads to total lock and the activity LED on the drive stays active and the whole machine locks :( I've used apm on other OSes on this machine i.e windows and Linux 2.2.*/2.4.* It's as though the drive doesn't seem to come back on line !? Many thanks for any pointers .... J From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 22 01:48:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450CA16A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:48:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.119]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F0543D45 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:48:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from dsc02-chc-il-209-109-232-203.rasserver.net ([209.109.232.203] helo=nbritton.org) by bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AjbSG-0002BQ-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:48:52 -0800 Message-ID: <400F9C5F.5040807@nbritton.org> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:48:15 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <15A800CA88C1EB4CBBA10B5390B158228480D2@studentex6.campus.tue.nl> In-Reply-To: <15A800CA88C1EB4CBBA10B5390B158228480D2@studentex6.campus.tue.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Good FreeBSD books X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:48:23 -0000 Vandalon, V. wrote: >Hi, > >After trying a few linux distributions I ended up with something non linux, FreeBSD. I've been able to set it up as a server, but I am hungry for some in depth literature. I still don't feel as on top of the system as I want. So I am looking for some good books. >I've seen this book (Greg Lehey's book "The Complete FreeBSD") passing by on the mailing list. But is it up to date? I can get edition 2003 so I guess it is up to date. > >Are there more and better books? I am quite a newbie in UNIX so it must cover also the basics. > >Regards Vincent > >_______________________________________________________________ >Vincent Vandalon > >v.vandalon@student.tue.nl >vincent@vandalon.nl >+31-653534409 > > > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html http://wks.uts.ohio-state.edu/unix_course/unix.html Absolute BSD: The Ultimate Guide to FreeBSD by Michael Lucas, Jordan Hubbard (Foreword) The FreeBSD Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html Check the bargin bins for old UNIX Books, focus on the ones that are based on BSD UNIX (Next/Openstep, SunOS/Solaris) and stay away from SysV based UNIX (AIX, HP-UX, SCO, etc.) UNIX History: http://www.levenez.com/unix/ And as allways google (and amazon) is your friend. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 22 12:52:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1835016A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:52:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmserv.co.berkeley.sc.us (mail.co.berkeley.sc.us [204.116.72.107]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C502943D2D for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:52:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ROGrady@co.berkeley.sc.us) Received: from INETDOM-MTA by bmserv.co.berkeley.sc.us with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:50:09 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:49:30 -0500 From: "Roy O'Grady" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:52:42 -0000 At the risk of getting told to take this question elsewhere.... I am a network manager for a small government. Right now, we are using Novell NetWare for our networking needs, but we are getting ready to try an open-source solution. The costs of software acquisition and maintenance has gotten high, and I am hoping that a migration to something open-source will help us stop the money-bleed. How many of you have migrated from something closed-source and proprietary to something like FreeBSD or linux? What problems did you run into? How did users react to the change? I guess most importantly, was it cost effective? Thank you in advance for your opinions and time, and if this question is inappropriate for this list, please accept my apologies. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 22 13:01:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC2D16A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:01:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from server945.gisol.com (server945.gisol.com [207.44.208.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D5C43D2F for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:01:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from webmaster@countrypure.net) Received: from 216-229-72-45-dialup-mo.fidnet.com ([216.229.72.45] helo=countrypure.net) by server945.gisol.com with asmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AjlxN-0006Ft-CS; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:01:42 -0800 Message-ID: <401039BE.3080704@countrypure.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:59:42 -0600 From: Quintin Riis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031013 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Holley References: <400E9846.4C3D4FE7@holley.uklinux.net> In-Reply-To: <400E9846.4C3D4FE7@holley.uklinux.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server945.gisol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - countrypure.net cc: "freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Speed ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:01:50 -0000 You'll see much more speed with a custom kernel. There's a section in the handbook that will tell you how to configure, compile, and install one. I've found FreeBSD to be much faster than Linux. Quintin Julian Holley wrote: > Hi folks - I recently installed FreeBSD 5.2 on an IBM TP 390x on which I > have successfully run Linux 2.2.* for years now, but I notice that BSD > seems to be distinctly slowly - I mean in regards to user interact - > i.e. desktop development (as you can imagine it's not a server) .... > this is not what I expected, I thought FreeBSD would be about the same > or maybe faster (more snappy) - is this usual ? or do I have somat wrong > with my installation ? J > > also anyone else using FreeBSD on IBM laptops - as both APM and APCI > seem to fail for my machine :( > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 22 13:02:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC6216A4D0 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:02:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from server945.gisol.com (server945.gisol.com [207.44.208.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1855143D54 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:02:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from webmaster@countrypure.net) Received: from 216-229-72-45-dialup-mo.fidnet.com ([216.229.72.45] helo=countrypure.net) by server945.gisol.com with asmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AjlyE-0006Ic-Sh; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:02:35 -0800 Message-ID: <401039F1.7020301@countrypure.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:00:33 -0600 From: Quintin Riis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031013 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Geert Hendrickx References: <200401212100.58369.geert.hendrickx@ua.ac.be> In-Reply-To: <200401212100.58369.geert.hendrickx@ua.ac.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server945.gisol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - countrypure.net cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: doc/xls/ppt file viewer, not editor? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:02:45 -0000 I don't know of anything besides OpenOffice. :( Geert Hendrickx wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for some lightweight .doc/.xls/.ppt file viewer. I don't need a > full-blown OpenOffice or KOffice, as I don't need to edit or create my own > MS-Office files (TeX user ;-)), I just want to be able to read those files > which people keep mailing me. > > Does anyone know such a viewer application? > > GH > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 22 13:04:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FC6416A4CF for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:04:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from server945.gisol.com (server945.gisol.com [207.44.208.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A940B43D72 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:03:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from webmaster@countrypure.net) Received: from 216-229-72-45-dialup-mo.fidnet.com ([216.229.72.45] helo=countrypure.net) by server945.gisol.com with asmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AjlzH-0006LZ-Cf; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:03:40 -0800 Message-ID: <40103A34.9040606@countrypure.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:01:40 -0600 From: Quintin Riis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031013 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Geert Hendrickx References: <1121.192.168.1.210.1074587431.squirrel@lori.mine.nu> In-Reply-To: <1121.192.168.1.210.1074587431.squirrel@lori.mine.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server945.gisol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - countrypure.net cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD framebuffers X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:04:12 -0000 This is better asked on freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Quintin Geert Hendrickx wrote: > Hello, > > I'm used to having framebuffers in Linux, I would like to have that in > FreeBSD too. > > I already reconfigured en compiled my kernel with "options VESA" enabled. > I have also added > >>font8x8="/usr/share/syscons/fonts/iso-8x8.fnt" >>all_screens_flags="132x43" > > at the bottom of /etc/rc.conf, and rebooted, but it doesn't make a > difference. > > Anyone knows what else I should do to get framebuffers working? > > GH > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 22 13:09:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC0716A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:09:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from server945.gisol.com (server945.gisol.com [207.44.208.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCBA43D31 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:09:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from webmaster@countrypure.net) Received: from 216-229-72-45-dialup-mo.fidnet.com ([216.229.72.45] helo=countrypure.net) by server945.gisol.com with asmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Ajm4u-0006ci-1X; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:09:28 -0800 Message-ID: <40103B92.3080408@countrypure.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:07:30 -0600 From: Quintin Riis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031013 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mazen S. Alzogbi" References: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB467F57B@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> In-Reply-To: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB467F57B@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server945.gisol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - countrypure.net cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Win modem x FreeBSd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:09:32 -0000 I said almost all real modems are external... not that all external modems are real modems. :) Quintin Mazen S. Alzogbi wrote: > That's not the case with me, Quintin, so "almost" does apply here. I > have a USB Genius winmodem that worked with Windoze, had to install > extra stuff so it can work with Linux but it doesn't work with FreeBSD. > Do real modems have to be serial modems maybe ? > > Thanks for your help > > Mazen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Quintin Riis [mailto:webmaster@countrypure.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 12:02 AM > To: Mazen S. Alzogbi > Cc: 'Lute Mullenix'; freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Win modem x FreeBSd > > > Almost all 'real' modems are external. > > Mazen S. Alzogbi wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>I read the expression "real modem" at many *nix lista/groups but I >>don't know what does it mean. I know the difference between a winmodem > > >>and a real modem, that is; a real modem doesn't depend on the software > > >>(and maybe CPU cycles) to do the job. My question, how do you I know a > > >>real modem from a winmodem when I go purchase it? >> >>TIA >> >>Cheers, >> >>Mazen >> > > > > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 22 17:30:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FED116A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:30:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from web40205.mail.yahoo.com (web40205.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1EB3743D1F for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:30:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mengd2002@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040123013050.21071.qmail@web40205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.156.46.238] by web40205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:30:50 PST Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:30:50 -0800 (PST) From: Don Meng To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Where To Install FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:30:53 -0000 This is my first post to this forum and my question is; Are there any restrictions on which IDE drive I can install FreeBSD on? The primary IDE controller on my machine is already occupied with two disk drives. I'd like to buy a third drive and make it the master on the secondary controller and use it exclusively for FreeBSD. I was browsing through The Complete FreeBSD in the bookstore and I thought I read that you can install FreeBSD on the forst or second hard drive. Can anyone clarify this? Thank you. Don --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 22 17:48:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF2516A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:48:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ozlabs.org (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A6243D2F for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:48:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (blackwater.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C59BF2BD75 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:48:17 +1100 (EST) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5C2951206; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:18:14 +1030 (CST) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:18:14 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Don Meng Message-ID: <20040123014814.GJ53685@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20040123013050.21071.qmail@web40205.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Op27XXJsWz80g3oF" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040123013050.21071.qmail@web40205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where To Install FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:48:24 -0000 --Op27XXJsWz80g3oF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline [Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] On Thursday, 22 January 2004 at 17:30:50 -0800, Don Meng wrote: > This is my first post to this forum and my question is; > > Are there any restrictions on which IDE drive I can install FreeBSD > on? The primary IDE controller on my machine is already occupied > with two disk drives. I'd like to buy a third drive and make it the > master on the secondary controller and use it exclusively for > FreeBSD. I was browsing through The Complete FreeBSD in the > bookstore and I thought I read that you can install FreeBSD on the > forst or second hard drive. Can anyone clarify this? Thank you. This is a technical question. You should ask it on FreeBSD-questions. -newbies is a discussion forum (and yes, I've been told not to answer technical questions here). Greg -- When replying to this message, please take care not to mutilate the original text. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/email.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --Op27XXJsWz80g3oF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAEH1eIubykFB6QiMRAig3AJ982nIVVbGLuUgEM4WhvoM6TxjWTQCfeyOu J7wI8Jki5ngAhCl+l09TyZA= =MooX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Op27XXJsWz80g3oF-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 22 20:10:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57EDF16A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:10:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from out002.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29CF43D54 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:10:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patrician@verizon.net) Received: from [192.168.0.141] ([4.12.20.118]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040123041002.IDEF23576.out002.verizon.net@[192.168.0.141]> for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:10:02 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <401039F1.7020301@countrypure.net> References: <200401212100.58369.geert.hendrickx@ua.ac.be> <401039F1.7020301@countrypure.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <00D9ECE8-4D5A-11D8-8DF4-000A95E8B36A@verizon.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Juan Pablo Gutierrez Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:09:56 -0800 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [4.12.20.118] at Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:10:02 -0600 Subject: Re: doc/xls/ppt file viewer, not editor? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 04:10:04 -0000 Could you try converting all these files to .pdf? Or at least the .doc and .xls, not sure about the .ppt. How about Abiword for the .doc files, if you ever want to edit? On Jan 22, 2004, at 1:00 PM, Quintin Riis wrote: > I don't know of anything besides OpenOffice. :( > > Geert Hendrickx wrote: > >> Hi, I'm looking for some lightweight .doc/.xls/.ppt file viewer. I >> don't need a full-blown OpenOffice or KOffice, as I don't need to >> edit or create my own MS-Office files (TeX user ;-)), I just want to >> be able to read those files which people keep mailing me. Does >> anyone know such a viewer application? GH >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 23 00:18:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FA016A4CF for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:18:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from resitez.net (c79-26.icpnet.pl [62.21.79.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0690E43D7B for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:17:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lucas@resitez.net) Received: (qmail 64169 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2004 08:16:16 -0000 Received: from host-ip20-230.crowley.pl (HELO 192.168.1.100) (lucas@62.111.230.20) by resitez.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2004 08:16:16 -0000 From: Lucas Czejgis To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:15:30 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401230915.31208.lucas@resitez.net> Subject: Where did OpenBSD come from? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucas@resitez.net List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:18:08 -0000 Hello! I have a little question, and I'm quite confused. I know, that first, was 386/BSD released, then came FreeBSD and NetBSD. But which *BSD gave "birth" to OpenBSD. In a book called "FreeBSD: The Complete Reference" the author says, that OpenBSD came out from FreeBSD. But, on this (http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux2.php), the author says: "Later on down the road, some internal disagreements within the NetBSD project caused the OpenBSD project to split off from it." And now I don't know where OpenBSD came from? FreeBSD or NetBSD? Lucas From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 23 02:21:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2C016A4CE for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:21:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from gaff.hhhr.ision.net (gaff.hhhr.ision.net [195.180.9.213]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E80C43D39 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:21:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ohoyer@gaff.hhhr.ision.net) Received: from gaff.hhhr.ision.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gaff.hhhr.ision.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0NALIOL069154; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:21:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ohoyer@gaff.hhhr.ision.net) Received: from localhost (ohoyer@localhost)i0NALIIU069151; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:21:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ohoyer@gaff.hhhr.ision.net) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:21:18 +0100 (CET) From: Olaf Hoyer To: Lucas Czejgis In-Reply-To: <200401230915.31208.lucas@resitez.net> Message-ID: <20040123110303.G69046@gaff.hhhr.ision.net> References: <200401230915.31208.lucas@resitez.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where did OpenBSD come from? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:21:19 -0000 On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Lucas Czejgis wrote: > Hello! > I have a little question, and I'm quite confused. I know, that first, was > 386/BSD released, then came FreeBSD and NetBSD. But which *BSD gave "birth" > to OpenBSD. > In a book called "FreeBSD: The Complete Reference" the author says, that > OpenBSD came out from FreeBSD. > But, on this > (http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux2.php), the > author says: "Later on down the road, some internal disagreements within the > NetBSD project caused the OpenBSD project to split off from it." > And now I don't know where OpenBSD came from? FreeBSD or NetBSD? Due to some (also personal reasons), Theo de Raadt split from NetBSD, and started the OpenBSD project. On his page http://zeus.theos.com/deraadt/coremail.html there is the whole thing explained. HTH Olaf -- Olaf Hoyer ohoyer@gaff.hhhr.ision.net Fuerchterliche Erlebniss geben zu raten, ob der, welcher sie erlebt, nicht etwas Fuerchterliches ist. (Nietzsche, Jenseits von Gut und Boese) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 23 07:22:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A0516A4CF for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from lori.mine.nu (226-204.240.81.adsl.skynet.be [81.240.204.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F9143D46 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:22:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from geert.hendrickx@ua.ac.be) Received: from lori.mine.nu (unknown [192.168.1.210]) by lori.mine.nu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132FF14658 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:24:39 +0100 (CET) From: Geert Hendrickx To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:29:33 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401211729.34643.geert.hendrickx@ua.ac.be> Subject: Speed ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:22:09 -0000 I recently installed FreeBSD 4.9 on my laptop (a Toshiba). It performs significantly better than Gentoo Linux does on the same machine (I'm still dualbooting it right now). My PCMCIA-card worked out of the box, APM only after a kernel recompile. So in my opinion, FreeBSD is very laptop friendly. At least more than OpenBSD. GH From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 23 08:16:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB7A16A4CF for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:16:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from lori.mine.nu (226-204.240.81.adsl.skynet.be [81.240.204.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A30843D45 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:15:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from geert.hendrickx@ua.ac.be) Received: from lori.mine.nu (unknown [192.168.1.210]) by lori.mine.nu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCCFB1456A for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:15:06 +0100 (CET) From: Geert Hendrickx To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:15:00 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401231715.01782.geert.hendrickx@ua.ac.be> Subject: oc/xls/ppt%20file%20viewer%2C%20not%20editor%3F&In-Reply-To=401039F1.7020301%40countrypure.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:16:22 -0000 Yes, Abiword might be a good "in between" solution. But I would like to try this converting to pdf option first. Did you have any particular package in mind, to convert MS Office files to pdf? GH -- powered by FreeBSD/Postfix/KMail From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 23 09:36:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68BA416A4CE for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:36:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from best.spro.net (smtpout1a.spro.net [204.228.238.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F189843D31 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:36:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kurtbuff@spro.net) Received: from best.spro.net ([198.60.253.182]) by best.spro.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id HRYE8W00.3CP for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:36:32 -0700 Received: from spro.net (norland.spro.net [198.60.253.65]) by best.spro.net with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:36:32 -0700 Received: from 66.14.88.176 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kurtbuff) by webmail.spro.net with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:37:32 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4945.66.14.88.176.1074879452.squirrel@webmail.spro.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:37:32 -0700 (MST) From: "KURT BUFF" To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SMTP-HELO: spro.net X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kurtbuff@spro.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: norland.spro.net [198.60.253.65] Subject: RE: Good FreeBSD books X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:36:34 -0000 For almost all of my technical book purchases, I prefer www.bookpool.com - by far cheaper in many cases. | > | http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html | | http://wks.uts.ohio-state.edu/unix_course/unix.html | | Absolute BSD: The Ultimate Guide to FreeBSD by Michael Lucas, Jordan | Hubbard (Foreword) | | The FreeBSD Handbook: | http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html | | Check the bargin bins for old UNIX Books, focus on the ones that are | based on BSD UNIX (Next/Openstep, SunOS/Solaris) and stay | away from SysV | based UNIX (AIX, HP-UX, SCO, etc.) UNIX History: | http://www.levenez.com/unix/ | | And as allways google (and amazon) is your friend. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 23 11:08:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680B216A4CE for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:08:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD1E043D54 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:07:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:1123 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ak6eO-0000Dx-3n; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:07:28 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:00:14 -0800 Received: from Siemens.com (dhcp-46-107.acuson.com [157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id VDN3F5KV; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:58:50 -0800 From: Johnson David To: Don Meng Message-ID: <40117067.3050904@Siemens.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:05:11 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20040123013050.21071.qmail@web40205.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040123013050.21071.qmail@web40205.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1Ak6eO-0000Dx-3n*0/nziK.8gPg* cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where To Install FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:08:11 -0000 Don Meng wrote: > This is my first post to this forum and my question is; > > Are there any restrictions on which IDE drive I can install FreeBSD > on? The primary IDE controller on my machine is already occupied > with two disk drives. I'd like to buy a third drive and make it the > master on the secondary controller and use it exclusively for > FreeBSD. I was browsing through The Complete FreeBSD in the > bookstore and I thought I read that you can install FreeBSD on the > forst or second hard drive. Can anyone clarify this? Thank you. Semi-technical discussion style answer... I'm sure there are some restrictions, but I've never encountered any yet. On my old system I installed FreeBSD to the second drive (not counting CDROM drives) which was the master on the secondary controller. Ditto for my machine at work. My current system has two SATA drives which are on the third and fourth controllers (CDRW and DVD are on the IDE controllers), with no problems. But that said, I've never used FreeBSD in a three harddrive system. But I can think of no reason why you can't do this. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 23 19:11:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC3216A4CE for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:11:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD88443D72 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:10:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i0O3A5FR099338 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:10:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i0O3A5E9099336 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:10:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:10:05 -0800 (PST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200401240310.i0O3A5E9099336@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 03:11:09 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 23 21:40:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54BB316A4CE for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 21:40:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from out012.verizon.net (out012pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD1843D2F for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 21:40:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patrician@verizon.net) Received: from [192.168.0.142] ([4.12.20.118]) by out012.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040124054022.EKWA1590.out012.verizon.net@[192.168.0.142]> for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 23:40:22 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <200401212100.58369.geert.hendrickx@ua.ac.be> References: <200401212100.58369.geert.hendrickx@ua.ac.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Juan Pablo Gutierrez Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 21:40:16 -0800 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [4.12.20.118] at Fri, 23 Jan 2004 23:40:22 -0600 Subject: Re: doc/xls/ppt file viewer, not editor? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 05:40:24 -0000 There's this place online for converting. It looks like it supports every file you want to view. http://www.gohtm.com/convert_pdf.asp From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 24 07:51:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C153316A4CE for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 07:51:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D1EB43D2D for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 07:50:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Sat, 24 Jan 2004 09:54:16 -0600 Message-ID: <40129423.7000507@daleco.biz> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 09:49:55 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031124 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roy O'Grady References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2004 15:54:16.0890 (UTC) FILETIME=[523651A0:01C3E292] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:51:06 -0000 Roy O'Grady wrote: >At the risk of getting told to take this question elsewhere.... > > > Hee hee, read on ;-) >I am a network manager for a small government. Right now, we are using >Novell NetWare for our networking needs, but we are getting ready to try >an open-source solution. The costs of software acquisition and >maintenance has gotten high, and I am hoping that a migration to >something open-source will help us stop the money-bleed. > > > Might well do it! >How many of you have migrated from something closed-source and >proprietary to something like FreeBSD or linux? What problems did you >run into? How did users react to the change? I guess most importantly, >was it cost effective? > >Thank you in advance for your opinions and time, and if this question >is inappropriate for this list, please accept my apologies. > > > > Wish I could help you more; I feel this is a great question for -newbies, or perhaps one of the other lists as well. As questions@ is most trafficked, I might try that one---betterchance of starting a lively discussion. And perhaps chat@, all types read that (but not as many). As for your question, I've never tried anything like this. It's a dream of mine, though: some shop that runs M$ (primary target!) moving to BSD ... my random thoughts follow: Please clarify this: are you only looking to replace your network infrastructure with open source OS machines, or do you have a gazillion Windows(R) users that you also want to convert to save $$ in SW costs? Do *you* personally run BSD or Linux? Putting an entire network (government?!) on it would be like putting you on it, times the number of machines, times the number of users divided by their collective IQ's. BUT there would be plenty of possibilities to make it easier (build boxes distribute new SW via NFS, etc). Suffice it to say, however, your office will be getting a ton of (phone calls, emails, visits) as people try to come to grips with something "different." "Why can't I install ($NAME_MS_PRODUCT)?" "What will I do without Messenger?" etc., etc.) There are alternatives for almost everything out there, but some retraining and rethinking will be necessary. People who get "comfortable" with something they are apprehensive of (at first) tend to get pretty apprehensive when you change the system they worked so hard to get accustomed to..... Your freeware OS'es are going to be rather network-centric, and as "software acquisition" is via the Internet, a good connection is essential. A lot of your "tech support" will have to come from the community --- face it, that's where many of the consultants you might be tempted to hire get their information. And, you might actually *need* some help from time to time. So, if there's a consulting company in your area that has a good reputation, perhaps they'll be there for backup. Your required reading stack may increase, if that is possible. Your will have to obtain, or even create a good bit of documentation as well. You will be less susceptible to M$ type "attacks" (adware, virii, etc.) but you will need to be more vigilant against other potential threats. You'll need to learn new scripting language(s) in order to automate system management. If you're not into CLI (command line interface), it's likely you'll want to learn. Do you have to? Maybe not; but it's available already, and works for many sysadmins... So much for random thoughts. As I said, I've not done it ... but I've thought about it. I doubt I've said anything you've not already thought about, but maybe something here will help. Good luck! Kevin Kinsey P.S. If it works, contact my local govt. WinNT sysadmin brother and convert him, too! :-) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 24 14:09:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F5116A4CE for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:09:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79CB43D45 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:09:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aacf1qb02@sneakemail.com) Received: from vwinxp.sneakemail.com ([68.219.173.144]) by imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.netESMTP <20040124220902.ZKRE1917.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@vwinxp.sneakemail.com> for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:09:02 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040124165448.01996f18@mail.threespace.com> X-Sender: Private E-Mail User X-Mailer: Secure Internet E-Mail v1.0 Beta Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:05:44 -0500 To: FreeBSD Newbies From: Chip Morton Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Organization: ThreeSpace Corporation Subject: The Linux Experiment X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 22:09:03 -0000 Not FreeBSD related, but an interesting read from the perspective of a veteran Windows user turned UNIX newbie. http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,113746,pg,1,00.asp