From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 22 00:10:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA30D16A4CE; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 00:10:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF92543D1D; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 00:10:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB92EAE067; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 00:10:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08800-02; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 00:10:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C33B7AE062; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 00:10:02 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040222081002.C33B7AE062@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 00:10:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2004-02-01 - 2004-02-21 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 08:10:11 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 1-Feb : Bacula: Cross-Platform Client-Server Backups You need this network backup solution. http://freebsddiary.org/bacula.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 22 15:46:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B7C16A4CE for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:46:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7D743D1D for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:46:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Mr_H@comcast.net) Received: from owner (h00045a854c1e.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.61.171.68]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004022223461401200f2718e>; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 23:46:14 +0000 Message-ID: <001501c3f99e$1083d4d0$9446a8c0@owner> From: "Mr_H" To: Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:46:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Greetings and salutaions.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 23:46:15 -0000 Howdy everyone, I have finally decided to send a post. It's been a few months since = I have sucessfully installed FreeBSD 4.8 using the boot floppies and the = ftp install method. It took several attempts to do it correctly. Since = that wonderfull day, I have met many great people and, using a unix = based IRC client has opened up a world of possibilities. =20 I too had no experience, except for MS products, and have had an = apparently tough time getting acquainted with the 'CLI', which is why I = decided to write.=20 I see several people having the same issue(s) I once had. All I can = say to other newbies is to simply stick with it. I spent approximately = 2 horribly frustrating weeks trying to set up a gateway. Without the = support of my IRC peers, and some much needed advice, I may have fallen = by the way side and resorted back to M$. =20 I now have a home network, a personal webserver, and a new, clearer = understanding of computers in general. The best part of it all is that = it was free!! (minus the obligatory legwork) My understandings only = continue to improve each day. Please consider my post a big 'Thank You' for the entire community = that actively supports free software and a greater understanding of and = for the world of computing. FBSD r0X0rz jo0 s0x 0ff, Fo0! heh heh From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 22 16:58:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DD516A4CE for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:58:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE74943D1F for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:58:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rpratt1950@earthlink.net) Received: from user68.net585.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([65.41.6.68] helo=kt.weeble.com) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Av4Qp-0007gl-00; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:58:48 -0800 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:02:28 -0500 From: Randy Pratt To: Mr_H Message-Id: <20040222200228.4505f2c9.rpratt1950@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.7 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Greetings and salutaions.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 00:58:58 -0000 On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:46:17 -0500 you wrote: > > Howdy everyone, > > I have finally decided to send a post. It's been a few months > since I have sucessfully installed FreeBSD 4.8 using the boot > floppies and the ftp install method. It took several attempts to > do it correctly. Since that wonderfull day, I have met many great > people and, using a unix based IRC client has opened up a world of > possibilities. Congratulations and welcome to FreeBSD! > I too had no experience, except for MS products, and have had > an apparently tough time getting acquainted with the 'CLI', which > is why I decided to write. Yes, it does take some time to adjust to using command line but in the end you may find that its faster than having to navigate a gui to accomplish the same thing. Its not always the case, but I've gravitated toward the command line for most things. > I see several people having the same issue(s) I once had. All > I can say to other newbies is to simply stick with it. I spent > approximately 2 horribly frustrating weeks trying to set up a > gateway. Without the support of my IRC peers, and some much > needed advice, I may have fallen by the way side and resorted back > to M$. Sticking with a task is definitely good advice. Walking away and spending some time thinking about things will sometimes bring enlightenment. Your problem in setting up a gateway might be an opportunity to give back to the community. I'm assuming that you read the Handbook and searched the mailing list archives. If indeed it is a case of the information missing or not being clear, then perhaps something needs to be added or changed. If so, then you could send the information to freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org mailing list. > I now have a home network, a personal webserver, and a new, > clearer understanding of computers in general. The best part of it > all is that it was free!! (minus the obligatory legwork) My > understandings only continue to improve each day. Kewl! It sounds like you've earned the right to do the "Woo Hoo" dance and pat yourself on the back ;-) But you're right, its an everyday learning experience and the more you learn, the easier it gets to learn more once you've built a foundation. > Please consider my post a big 'Thank You' for the entire > community that actively supports free software and a greater > understanding of and for the world of computing. While you're traveling the learning curve, don't forget to have fun with FreeBSD along the way! Randy -- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 22 19:48:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5531916A4CE for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 19:48:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC9F43D1D for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 19:48:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:49:11 -0600 Message-ID: <40397803.4080009@daleco.biz> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:48:19 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mr_H References: <001501c3f99e$1083d4d0$9446a8c0@owner> In-Reply-To: <001501c3f99e$1083d4d0$9446a8c0@owner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2004 03:49:11.0953 (UTC) FILETIME=[FFA44010:01C3F9BF] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Greetings and salutaions.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 03:48:57 -0000 Mr_H wrote: >Howdy everyone, > > > > >FBSD r0X0rz jo0 s0x 0ff, Fo0! heh heh > > Woot-woot! Bar! Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. PS > Welcome to FreeBSD! :-) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 22 08:15:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B0D16A4CE for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 08:15:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from web20405.mail.yahoo.com (web20405.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.93]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5926843D1D for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 08:15:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eliott_morst@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040222161529.36604.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.105.125.140] by web20405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 08:15:29 PST Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 08:15:29 -0800 (PST) From: eliott morst To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 05:20:54 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: volunteer opportunity X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:15:29 -0000 I am interested in proofreading documentation for the freebsd operating system project. I enjoy reading technical journals and it bothers me when subjects of a technical nature are not expressed in correct english. Please make me aware of any opportunities where i can help along those lines. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 23 06:53:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F34816A4CF for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:53:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail2.cableone.net [24.116.0.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70EF143D1D for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:53:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lute@cableone.net) Received: from agnes (unverified [24.116.60.169]) by smail2.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 8060127 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:45:05 -0700 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:54:02 -0600 From: Lute Mullenix To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040223085402.21045621@agnes> In-Reply-To: <200402211258.13361.niel@telia.com> References: <200402211258.13361.niel@telia.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Subject: Re: I have a dream, of a help/manual/doc system, which is simple to use? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:53:57 -0000 Niel, To be honest with you I find the man pages easier to decipher than your message. While I used to feel the same as you do, there is no substitute for experience, and you only get that one way. By doing it. A good book for newbies is FreeBSD an Open Source Operating System for your Personal Computer. Has some good examples. And if you actually go through the Handbook it has several step by step how tos. Tells you what to do and where to do it. I have found FreeBSD as easy to install and in ways easier to setup than Windows. Of course I have only done one Windows install and found it so frustrating that I scraped it and used the entire disk for FreeBSD. I don't mean to be discouraging because I would love to see more people using FreeBSD, but in a way I guess I'm lucky to have started using computers back in the DOS era. Though I never actually used DOS, was running OS9 on a 6809 machine. But it was just an excepted fact that if you were going to be using a computer you were going to have to read the manuals, and learn what they were talking about. Ok now that I have that out of my system, besides the book already mentioned, you may want to pickup the book, Linux in plain English. Don't let the title put you off, while there a some Linux specific things in it, for the most part it covers basic UNIX commands and utilities. Doesn't give a lot of examples but does tell you what they do. Also include some of the more common apps found on U*ix. And use the Handbook, it's probably the best FreeBSD resource out there right now. If you have a question, chances are it's covered in there. -- Lute ************************ * Power Provided * * by * * FreeBSD 5.1 RELEASE * ************************ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 23 07:36:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A878416A4CE for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3D643D1D for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:36:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:37:03 -0600 Message-ID: <403A1DE9.6010406@daleco.biz> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:36:09 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eliott morst References: <20040222161529.36604.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040222161529.36604.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2004 15:37:05.0890 (UTC) FILETIME=[E414B420:01C3FA22] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: volunteer opportunity X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:36:50 -0000 eliott morst wrote: >I am interested in proofreading documentation for the freebsd operating system project. >I enjoy reading technical journals and it bothers me when subjects of a technical nature are not expressed in correct english. >Please make me aware of any opportunities where i can help along those lines. > > > > > Cool! You would be interested in the doc team, then.... I think that anyone can subscribe to the mailing list, "freebsd-doc@freebsd.org", but I'd be sure to spend some time reading the list (and its archives), as well as the doc team's WWW pages, before you make too many assumptions and/or comments about the documentation. (I'll let you think about why that might be true....) Another thing you should become familiar with is the "gnats" system (bug reporting system). Anyone, anywhere can submit a problem report (using send-pr(1)) on a FBSD system*, including pr's on the documentation. These will be read and acted upon by experienced members of the FreeBSD Documentation Project. I know how you feel; FreeBSD needs professional looking, high quality documentation in order to keep moving forward. The Good News: it has it. The Bad News: it's a volunteer project with a *huge* amount of (text/code/markup), and mistakes can be overlooked or even introduced in advertently. Get familiar with send-pr and doc@freebsd.org, and then feel free to join in! I'm sure they'll be glad to have more help.... Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. *If you have a system (whatever OS**) that does not have "send-pr(1)", there is, (or was?) a web interface to the send-pr(1) program at the Project's web site. **Yeah, but if you're not running FreeBSD, shouldn't you start ;-) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 23 10:13:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D2A16A4CE for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0BA243D2F for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:13:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:1733 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AvKaA-0006W4-56; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:13:30 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <15HGG4QL>; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:05:17 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id 15H1YP9A; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:04:02 -0800 From: Johnson David To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:11:28 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <1893808594.20040221115305@inbox.ru> <1029890250.20040221164709@inbox.ru> <20040221105337.0ac5eddd.mj001@rogers.com> In-Reply-To: <20040221105337.0ac5eddd.mj001@rogers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402231011.28524.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1AvKaA-0006W4-56*KWQ6dKc8MZA* cc: DerAlSem Subject: Re: Re[2]: Building kernel. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:13:47 -0000 On Saturday 21 February 2004 07:53 am, Mike Jeays wrote: > I would expect a kernel compile on a machine like yours to take much > less than 5 hours - more than 30 minutes would surprise me. Trying to recall the days when I had a 100MHz Pentium with 80Mb RAM, it seems to me it took about three to four hours. In any case, five hours feels much too long. Perhaps one is building world instead? David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 23 10:30:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E271116A4CE for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:30:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB3243D1F for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:30:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:3092 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AvKq1-0002HU-5m; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:29:53 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <15HGG4V6>; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:21:40 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id 15H1YQJZ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:20:27 -0800 From: Johnson David To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:27:52 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <4037C12A.5000805@nbritton.org> In-Reply-To: <4037C12A.5000805@nbritton.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402231027.52890.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1AvKq1-0002HU-5m*am2oFbJbk4w* cc: Nikolas Britton Subject: Re: slice and partition layouts X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:30:11 -0000 On Saturday 21 February 2004 12:35 pm, Nikolas Britton wrote: > Basicly I need to know where the heck I put the 25gigs of data thats > on are old NT server on are new FreeBSD server, In windows I'd just > partion a drive in two (Drives C: and D:) C: for for OS and Programs > and D: for Data but in unix the layout is hierarchical and data is > stored all over the place (/home, /usr, /var)? It basically comes down to user preference and the type of data. For that much data though, served via NFS, I would probably mount the data under /export. This is only personal opinion, and I could very well be trashing some time honored UNIX tradition. So I would also suggest picking up "UNIX System Administration" from O'Reilly. You can, of course, change the mount point in the future. You are not stuck with only one option. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 23 12:36:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE0C16A4F7 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:36:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 533C643D1F for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:36:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from krylon@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 27598 invoked by uid 65534); 23 Feb 2004 20:36:51 -0000 Received: from B6285.b.pppool.de (EHLO wintermute) (213.7.98.133) by mail.gmx.net (mp025) with SMTP; 23 Feb 2004 21:36:51 +0100 X-Authenticated: #685629 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:37:58 +0100 From: Benjamin Walkenhorst To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <20040223183758.70781f8d.krylon@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <001501c3f99e$1083d4d0$9446a8c0@owner> References: <001501c3f99e$1083d4d0$9446a8c0@owner> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.8a (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--netbsdelf) X-Operating-System: NetBSD 1.6.2_RC4 User-Agent: Sylpheed 0.9.8a X-Face: "G=jn*S]P-JmPX0[GAK; )7Yo0p?#U/0m{g!*j3XGvT80*#5pX0kPN$4+azk{O#@ZEZV9BS:4y; \9utXK@+?.mCT.k%G&Ix2XEj-`bBt{TituWYrQ5npZb+:ERfmRt-((lW:itQr$C|B~; vhJ:>2,{tA}#)P'g3h6eE8JT|Qfcm50pUoy{zb8=jvof2?lY}EYTEt4z=5*i%OJ136\?S8^g~^>,s&,jBb'=K|ryeVtUX5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Greetings and salutaions.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 20:36:54 -0000 On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:46:17 -0500 "Mr_H" wrote: > Howdy everyone, > > I have finally decided to send a post. It's been a few months > since I have sucessfully installed FreeBSD 4.8 using the boot > floppies and the ftp install method. It took several attempts to > do it correctly. Since that wonderfull day, I have met many great > people and, using a unix based IRC client has opened up a world of > possibilities. I too had no experience, except for MS products, When I first came to Unix-like systems, I found them very difficult to use, too. But I can be a tough customer. =) And all those wonderful things I could and can do with it made realize just how much windows sucks. =) > and have had an apparently tough time getting acquainted with the > 'CLI', which is why I decided to write. I see several people > having the same issue(s) I once had. All I can say to other > newbies is to simply stick with it. I spent approximately 2 I decided to spend some money and get a good book to introduce me to the command-line and shell-scripting. And it still took me a lot of time. I just learnt what I needed to know to accomplish a given task, and so I learnt to use the system step by step. I've been using Linux for more than three years now, FreeBSD for about 7 to 8 months, and I still learn a lot of things. Someone once said "Unix *is* simple - it just takes a genius to understand its simplicity". I'd rather say it takes a lot of time to understand its simplicity (not wanting to call myself a genius *g*). That goes for the command-line as well - once you got the basic vocabulary and the 'grammar', it's very simple and comfortable to use. I prefer the command-line for many tasks, since it's often faster. Or I am faster via command-line, anyway, since I'm a very good typist. =) > horribly frustrating weeks trying to set up a gateway. Without the > support of my IRC peers, and some much needed advice, I may have > fallen by the way side and resorted back to M$. I, too, was frustrated, and more than once. If I had started with FreeBSD instead of SuSE, I might have given up. But I spent 45 Euro on SuSE 7.0 back then, which was a lot of money for me at the time. I just don't wanted that money to be lost. =) Later, it became a question of honour - I just could not stand the thought of leaving the problem unsolved. Sometimes I would just let my machine stand around for weeks or just use windows (which I still keep installed for playing games), but sooner or later I would look at the problem again, and often to find the solution quite obvious. =) Frustration is something you have to learn to deal with if you're using Unix. But as you gain experience and skills in problem-solving, problems turn from annoyances to challenges. With each problem you overcome you know your system a little better, until one day you sit down at a windows-machine and make stupid mistakes like forgetting to copy marked text to the clipboard manually or try to roll up windows or use "/" as a directory delimiter on the command-line. I've had all of these already... =) > I now have a home > network, a personal webserver, and a new, clearer understanding of > computers in general. The best part of it all is that it was > free!! (minus the obligatory legwork) My understandings only > continue to improve each day. Eh, well... =) Just as I said. =) I hope you enjoy FreeBSD as much as I do. After using SuSE for about one year, I tried Debian for some time, but when I tried to set up my ISDN-card manually, I blew up my system, so I returned to SuSE (the only time I ever gave up on a problem like that). Then, in summer 2003 I tried out FreeBSD 5.0. Since I had gotten used to configure SuSE almost entirely manually, I liked FreeBSD a lot, since its configuration files are a lot tidier and ... reasonable than SuSE's. But some things did not work, my ISDN-card, my TV-card did not work entirely, I had to load third-party-modules for my soundcard... ;-/ So I stuck with SuSE. Then I tried Slackware and loved it immediately, mainly for being quite BSD-like, so it became my primary system. In december, I tried out FreeBSD 5.2, and now it is my primary system. I also use NetBSD on my second machine, which I use as an internet-gateway, NFS-server and some basic explorations of Unix' networking-capabilities, since I don't have much experience in that area. FreeBSD is a great system indeed, easy to use, easy to configure - once you know how it works - and all in all a lot of fun. If you run into more trouble you'll find the mailing-list to be very supportive and friendly. For technical questions you should turn to freebsd-questions. Kind regards, Benjamin -- If you want to know what god thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to. -- Dorothy Parker From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 23 12:55:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B573C16A4CE for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:55:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-relay-8.adobe.com (smtp-relay-8.adobe.com [192.150.22.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EDD543D2D for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:55:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rolnif@mac.com) Received: from inner-relay-1.corp.adobe.com (inner-relay-1 [153.32.1.51]) i1NKsi6P009584; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:54:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from calsj-dev (mailsj [153.32.1.239])i1NKsh3m027541; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:54:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.8.54.213] (at-54-213.corp.adobe.com [10.8.54.213]) by mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HTK00J0W237M8@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com>; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:54:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:54:56 -0800 From: John Martinez In-reply-to: <20040223183758.70781f8d.krylon@gmx.net> To: Benjamin Walkenhorst Message-id: <89166D51-6642-11D8-8C8C-000A959A1868@mac.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <001501c3f99e$1083d4d0$9446a8c0@owner> <20040223183758.70781f8d.krylon@gmx.net> cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Greetings and salutaions.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 20:55:07 -0000 On Feb 23, 2004, at 9:37 AM, Benjamin Walkenhorst wrote: > ... I prefer the command-line for many tasks, since it's often faster. > Or I am > faster via command-line, anyway, since I'm a very good typist. =) And you don't have to be a very good typist to be good at it, either. ;) Seriously, the water's fine, come on in. I've been around this UNIX thing for quite a while and have enjoyed most minutes of it. I took my formative years not as frustration, but as a "learning" experience. It helped, too, that I had a really anal SOB for a teacher when I first started learning. We spent weeks doing nothing but Regular Expressions in vi and sed. Nothing regular about them! I didn't have the "pleasure" of learning computers on a Windows system, so UNIX (and Macs) seems more natural to me than anything coming out of Redmond. Windows, now *that's* frustrating! -john From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 23 14:57:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E3116A4CE for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:57:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from uranium.btinternet.com (uranium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.89]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F9543D1F for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:57:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david.clarke@theomorphic-technology.co.uk) Received: from [81.128.16.216] (helo=theomorphic-technology.co.uk) by uranium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1AvP11-0004uf-00 for newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:57:31 +0000 Message-ID: <403A8696.2040605@theomorphic-technology.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 23:02:46 +0000 From: David Clarke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090206050605080407000009" Subject: [Fwd: Re: posting messages to freebsd-newbies new group] X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:57:33 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090206050605080407000009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------090206050605080407000009 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Re: posting messages to freebsd-newbies new group" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Re: posting messages to freebsd-newbies new group" Received: from shaft.techsupport.co.uk ([212.250.77.214]) by theomorphic-technology.co.uk ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:30:21 GMT Received: from cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com ([81.103.67.204] helo=shrike.submonkey.net ident=mailnull) by shaft.techsupport.co.uk with esmtp (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1AvNde-000C98-NF; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:29:18 +0000 Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1AvNdc-000OlU-Er; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:29:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:29:16 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: David Clarke Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: posting messages to freebsd-newbies new group Message-ID: <20040223212916.GS45593@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , David Clarke , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <000001c3fa44$379779e0$d8108051@jerusalem> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tRcR9GoWqjXrt11v" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000001c3fa44$379779e0$d8108051@jerusalem> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Ceri Davies Return-Path: X-Rcpt-To: X-DPOP: Version number supressed --tRcR9GoWqjXrt11v Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 07:35:38PM -0000, David Clarke wrote: > Hello: > =20 > I have been trying for days to configure Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 and now > Outlook Express as my new reader, I am able to read postings, but I cannot > post any messages. > =20 > When I attempt to post a message I get the following error: > =20 > Outlook Express could not post your message. Subject 'Verifying FreeBSD = ISO > images', Account: 'news.gw.com', Server: 'news.gw.com', Protocol: NNTP, > Server Response: '440 Sorry, you're not allowed to post.', Port: 119, > Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 440, Error Number: 0x800CCCA9 > =20 > I have officially requested joining the new group and confirmed my reques= t, > they sent me back a password, but even though I have used my email address > with my password, nothing has changed, it still gives me the same error. > =20 > Can you please tell me what else I need to do to be able to post messages= to > this news groups and others. Hmm. We don't really have control over the newsgroup, as these are essentially copies of the freebsd-newbies mailing list. I'd recommend emailing your message to newbies@freebsd.org instead. It should eventually turn up on the newsgroup. Ceri --=20 --tRcR9GoWqjXrt11v Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAOnCsocfcwTS3JF8RAuS/AKDEcE1+rrCrXpDlGjloEWNRTmEhbACfVz2x 1rT5aEVF494oVo0H8YI4JjY= =6Itc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tRcR9GoWqjXrt11v-- --------------090206050605080407000009-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 23 15:29:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B7F16A4CE for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:29:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D13A43D1F for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:29:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from dsc02-chc-il-209-109-232-115.rasserver.net ([209.109.232.115] helo=nbritton.org) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AvPVa-0000ms-00; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:29:07 -0800 Message-ID: <403A8CBF.8040905@nbritton.org> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:29:03 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Clarke , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <403A8696.2040605@theomorphic-technology.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <403A8696.2040605@theomorphic-technology.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: posting messages to freebsd-newbies new group] X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 23:29:10 -0000 David Clarke wrote: > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: posting messages to freebsd-newbies new group > From: > Ceri Davies > Date: > Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:29:16 +0000 > To: > David Clarke > > >On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 07:35:38PM -0000, David Clarke wrote: > > >>Hello: >> >>I have been trying for days to configure Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 and now >>Outlook Express as my new reader, I am able to read postings, but I cannot >>post any messages. >> freebsd-newbies is not a news group (it may be redist on the newsgroups, dont know) it is a mailling list, it uses plain old email. go here to subscribe to the list: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies go here too: http://www.freebsd.org/support.html#mailing-list >> >>When I attempt to post a message I get the following error: >> >>Outlook Express could not post your message. Subject 'Verifying FreeBSD ISO >>images', Account: 'news.gw.com', Server: 'news.gw.com', Protocol: NNTP, >>Server Response: '440 Sorry, you're not allowed to post.', Port: 119, >>Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 440, Error Number: 0x800CCCA9 >> >>I have officially requested joining the new group and confirmed my request, >>they sent me back a password, but even though I have used my email address >>with my password, nothing has changed, it still gives me the same error. >> >>Can you please tell me what else I need to do to be able to post messages to >>this news groups and others. >> >> > >Hmm. We don't really have control over the newsgroup, as these are >essentially copies of the freebsd-newbies mailing list. I'd recommend >emailing your message to newbies@freebsd.org instead. It should >eventually turn up on the newsgroup. > >Ceri > >-- > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 23 21:10:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C00A816A4CE for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:10:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.orbitel.bg (smtp.orbitel.bg [195.24.32.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EDA2F43D1D for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:10:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from davenger@trading.bg) Received: (qmail 10334 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2004 05:10:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (195.24.32.29) by mail.orbitel.bg with SMTP; 24 Feb 2004 05:10:05 -0000 Received: from 213.169.46.240 ( [213.169.46.240]) as user davenger@trading.bg@localhost by mail.orbitel.bg with HTTP; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 07:10:05 +0200 Message-ID: <1077599405.403adcadb43f1@mail.orbitel.bg> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 07:10:05 +0200 From: davenger@trading.bg To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 213.169.46.240 Subject: Using Alt in a terminal X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 05:10:09 -0000 FreeBSD 4.9 How can I fix the Alt key? I have to use Esc all the time... :( I'm used to switching windows in IRC clients with Alt+digit. emacs....... :( And what about xterm? That's my ~/.Xresources file: XTerm*eightBitInput: false XTerm*metaSendsEscape: true rxvt*modifier: alt It fixed rxvt, but xterm has the same problem as terminals (forgive me, but i'm not very good in English as you can see:) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 24 00:17:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D86CF16A4CE for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 00:17:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from pabahay.com (unknown [202.57.92.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D5DF43D2F for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 00:17:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from xedx-lists@i.keepsilent.net) Received: (qmail 20732 invoked by uid 1000); 24 Feb 2004 16:21:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:21:53 +0000 From: eduardo tongson To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040224162153.GA20728@idlepimp.pabahay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Subject: memory usage X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 08:17:51 -0000 Hi How do i check for the memory usage in freebsd thanks From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 24 01:23:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB8116A4CE for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:23:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from phxby.engr.usu.edu (phxby.engr.usu.edu [129.123.21.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D38043D31 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:23:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from irwanhadi@phxby.com) Received: by phxby.engr.usu.edu (Postfix, from userid 501) id 966C44A8AB; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 02:23:14 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 02:23:14 -0700 From: Irwan Hadi To: eduardo tongson Message-ID: <20040224092314.GB23002@phxby.com> References: <20040224162153.GA20728@idlepimp.pabahay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040224162153.GA20728@idlepimp.pabahay.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: memory usage X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:23:15 -0000 On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 04:21:53PM +0000, eduardo tongson wrote: > Hi > > How do i check for the memory usage in freebsd top From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 24 05:58:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF74316A4CE for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 05:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7906B43D1D for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 05:58:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from dsc06-chc-il-209-109-242-26.rasserver.net ([209.109.242.26] helo=nbritton.org) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Avd55-0003T9-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 05:58:40 -0800 Message-ID: <403B588E.2040400@nbritton.org> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 07:58:38 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <20040224162153.GA20728@idlepimp.pabahay.com> In-Reply-To: <20040224162153.GA20728@idlepimp.pabahay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: memory usage X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:58:40 -0000 eduardo tongson wrote: >Hi > >How do i check for the memory usage in freebsd > > >thanks >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > system info/status/etc commands: top vmstat sockstat netstat df thats all i can think of at the momment /Nikolas From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 24 13:25:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BA4116A4CE for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:25:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from fielden.com.au (www.fielden.com.au [203.34.58.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4820243D1D for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:25:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david@fielden.com.au) Received: (qmail 13106 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2004 21:24:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fielden.com.au) (192.168.1.84) by persephone.fielden.com.au with SMTP; 24 Feb 2004 21:24:54 -0000 Message-ID: <403BC125.8060208@fielden.com.au> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:24:53 +1100 From: Rowdy User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <20040224162153.GA20728@idlepimp.pabahay.com> In-Reply-To: <20040224162153.GA20728@idlepimp.pabahay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: memory usage X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:25:02 -0000 eduardo tongson wrote: > Hi > > How do i check for the memory usage in freebsd > > > thanks > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > /usr/ports/sysutils/muse Dave From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 24 20:05:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A612B16A4CE for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:05:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from cmsrelay02.mx.net (cmsrelay02.mx.net [165.212.11.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C55F43D1F for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:05:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mr.moto@usa.net) Received: from uadvg130.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.130) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 04:05:34 -0000 Received: from uwdvg018.cms.usa.net [165.212.8.18] by uadvg130.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.13N) with ESMTP id 570iByeFh0248M30; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:05:33 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 165.212.8.18 AUTO mr.moto@usa.net uwdvg018.cms.usa.net Received: from 216.39.197.240 [216.39.197.240] by uwdvg018.cms.usa.net (USANET web-mailer CM.0402.7.03); Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:05:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:05:32 -0600 From: OtO To: X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (CM.0402.7.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <393iByeFG5936S18.1077681932@uwdvg018.cms.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: newbie firewall X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:05:35 -0000 To whom it may concern, freebsd 4.8 on dialup connection = after I activated the firewall in I think etc/rc.conf I cannot dial out . worked fine before the firewall was turned on. What is the most likely solution? thank you for any help = From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 24 20:26:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D885716A4CE for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:26:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A297743D2F for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:26:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:26:46 -0600 Message-ID: <403C23C3.4010107@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:25:39 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OtO References: <393iByeFG5936S18.1077681932@uwdvg018.cms.usa.net> In-Reply-To: <393iByeFG5936S18.1077681932@uwdvg018.cms.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2004 04:26:46.0796 (UTC) FILETIME=[94757CC0:01C3FB57] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newbie firewall X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:26:31 -0000 OtO wrote: >To whom it may concern, > >freebsd 4.8 on dialup connection > >after I activated the firewall in I think etc/rc.conf > >I cannot dial out . worked fine before the firewall was turned on. > >What is the most likely solution? thank you for any help > > > > Turn it off? ;-) Hard to tell from what you've given us ... is it not dialing, or just not doing anything once it's dialed? [ Really, you oughtta ask questions on the questions-list. Here's hoping we don't get flamed ] And, to help, we'd probably need more info, like a copy of your FW rules? $ipfw show Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 24 20:57:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B4C16A4CE for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:57:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.mdp.co.id (mdp.co.id [202.159.31.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A1A9D43D2D for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:57:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bimasena@mdp.net.id) Received: (qmail 24816 invoked by uid 543); 25 Feb 2004 04:57:12 -0000 Received: from bimasena@mdp.net.id by mail.mdp.co.id by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (clamscan: 0.65. Clear:RC:1(202.159.31.156):. Processed in 0.614884 secs); 25 Feb 2004 04:57:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO palembang) (202.159.31.156) by mail.mdp.co.id with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 04:57:11 -0000 X-Sender: bimasena@mdp.net.id (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: FreeBSD - Newbies From: Sharif Dayan X-Qmail-Scanner-Message-ID: <107768503265224811@mail.mdp.co.id> Message-Id: <20040225045712.A1A9D43D2D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:57:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Greetings and salutaions.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:57:23 -0000 Greetings... I am new to this list. I am sorry if my first mail does not look well. At 18:37 23-02-2004 +0100, "Benjamin Walkenhorst" wrote: >command-line and shell-scripting. I know "command-line", because I once used DOS, but what is "shell-scripting" ? Sharif Dayan From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 24 23:20:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8182A16A4CE for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:20:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CCF943D1D for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:20:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rpratt1950@earthlink.net) Received: from user68.net585.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([65.41.6.68] helo=kt.weeble.com) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AvtKr-0002SB-00; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:20:06 -0800 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:23:55 -0500 From: Randy Pratt To: OtO Message-Id: <20040225022355.7612f84c.rpratt1950@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.7 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: newbie firewall X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 07:20:08 -0000 On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:05:32 -0600 you wrote: > > To whom it may concern, > > freebsd 4.8 on dialup connection > > after I activated the firewall in I think etc/rc.conf > > I cannot dial out . worked fine before the firewall was turned on. > > What is the most likely solution? thank you for any help We're not supposed to answer technical questions on this list. Its is a gathering place for people new to FreeBSD and sharing experiencies with others. Check out the FAQ at: http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ That being said, I'd like to mention that there is a document on "Dialup firewalling with FreeBSD" and can be found on your local system: /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/dialup-firewall or online at: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/dialup-firewall/ If you have not found it already, you might get some good information from the Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls.html If you still have questions or problems, please post it to freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org with as much information as you think relates to the issue. You'll be asked for more if its not sufficient. This is the best place to ask a question and you'll get the best answers there. I hope the above links are helpful! Best regards, Randy -- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 25 00:38:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D3A016A4CE for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:38:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from pike.mail.pike.ru (pike.mail.pike.ru [194.135.18.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D9543D1F for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:38:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DerAlSem@inbox.ru) Received: (qmail 65576 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 08:41:58 -0000 Received: from deralsem.pikenet.ru (HELO DERALDO) (194.135.17.85) by pike.mail.pike.ru with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 08:41:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 11:38:28 +0300 From: DerAlSem X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <198482680.20040225113828@inbox.ru> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: NIC's, aliases, speed limits. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: DerAlSem List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:38:35 -0000 Hello freebsd-newbies, I'm not sure, if i choose right mailing list. So, sorry in advance. ;-) I've got internet via cable. My ISP limits speed to 128 kb\s in, and 1024 kb\s out. If i have two computers and two NIC, sum of their speed will be twice as normal. So if i add second nic to my FreeBSD server, is there a way, to get speed of 256 kb\s on workstation, attached to server? Or, may be, i just can buy an additional IP from my ISP and assign it to 1st NIC via alias? Also, i'm interested in getting UPLOAD speed x2 too. Just direct me to man page, or, may be, some another online FAQ. I've got some info, but that's not enough to answer my questions. -- Best regards, DerAlSem mailto:DerAlSem@inbox.ru From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 25 04:20:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6997116A4CE for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:20:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from chaucer.statcan.ca (CPE0050fc727b74-CM014270107825.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.43.93.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A9F43D1D for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:20:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@chaucer.statcan.ca) Received: from chaucer.statcan.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chaucer.statcan.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i1PCJc0S026725 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 07:20:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@chaucer.statcan.ca) Received: (from mike@localhost) by chaucer.statcan.ca (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id i1PCJcB5026724; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 07:19:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 07:19:38 -0500 From: Mike Jeays To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040225071938.3af56805.mj001@rogers.com> In-Reply-To: <20040225045712.A1A9D43D2D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> References: <20040225045712.A1A9D43D2D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Greetings and salutaions.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:20:47 -0000 On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:57:12 -0800 (PST) Sharif Dayan wrote: > Greetings... > > I am new to this list. I am sorry if my first mail does not look well. > > > At 18:37 23-02-2004 +0100, "Benjamin Walkenhorst" wrote: > > >command-line and shell-scripting. > > I know "command-line", because I once used DOS, but what is "shell-scripting" ? > > > Sharif Dayan > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Shell scripts are the equivalent of DOS "batch" programs, written as a file containing a series of command lines. They are usually given a '.bat' extension in DOS. Unix shell scripts can have any file name, but it is quite common' to use '.sh' as the extentsion. There are several different command interpreters, known as "shells". The basic one supplied with most Unixes is the original 'sh', but there are later versions with many more options. Shell scripts must be marked as executable before they can be run - use the command "chmod +x yourscript.sh". Read up on the 'bash' shell for much more detail. It is FAR more powerful than the DOS command line. -- Personal : Mike.Jeays -at- rogers.com Phone : 613-724-4510 Work : Mike.Jeays -at- statcan.ca Phone : 613-951-9929 FAX 613-951-0395 Web page : http://members.rogers.com/mike.jeays From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 25 04:43:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC4C16A4CE for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:43:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68AEF43D2D for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:43:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfm@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from lexx ([82.37.145.193]) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:43:17 +0000 From: John Murphy To: newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:43:15 +0000 Message-ID: <515p30dva3ggvb9ulcci5519cq864v6pbh@4ax.com> References: <20040225045712.A1A9D43D2D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20040225045712.A1A9D43D2D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2004 12:43:17.0312 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0FD7C00:01C3FB9C] cc: bimasena@mdp.net.id Subject: Re: Greetings and salutaions.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jfm@blueyonder.co.uk List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:43:19 -0000 Sharif Dayan wrote: >I know "command-line", because I once used DOS, but what is = "shell-scripting" ? Instructions typed on the "command-line" are interpreted by the "shell" which could be tcsh, sh or even bash, depending on the user's preference. A "shell-script" is merely a plain text file containing a list of commands that can be actioned sequentially by the shell. If you've used MSDOS you may be familiar with the concept of batch files (*.bat) which are similar. --=20 John. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 25 12:21:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6707016A4CE for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:21:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48AEC43D2F for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:21:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]:2726) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Aw5Wr-0007UC-5Y; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:21:13 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <15HGHL4N>; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:12:56 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id 15H15CQC; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:11:43 -0800 From: Johnson David To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:19:09 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <20040225045712.A1A9D43D2D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20040225045712.A1A9D43D2D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402251219.09459.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1Aw5Wr-0007UC-5Y*JjoIiUmbOG.* cc: Sharif Dayan Subject: Re: Greetings and salutaions.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:21:34 -0000 On Tuesday 24 February 2004 08:57 pm, Sharif Dayan wrote: > I know "command-line", because I once used DOS, but what is > "shell-scripting" ? This will be a similar answer to others, but explained a bit differently... Under DOS/Windows you have a command shell. It's called "command.com" in DOS. There is a "cmd.exe" shell in NT/XP, but I don't know anything about it. The DOS shell is very limited. There is file redirection, but not as powerful as in UNIX. There are pipes, but few low level utilities can use it. Scripting is limited to (essentially) a sequential series of commands in a batch file. Under UNIX you have a wide variety of shells. There are two basic families of shells, "Bourne" and "C", based on the two earliest shells, sh (Bourne) and csh (C). The Bourne shell spawned the Korn shell (ksh) and GNU's Bourne Again Shell (bash). csh spawned tcsh, which lacking a formal name, I like to call the "Taco Shell". FreeBSD ships with sh and tcsh as part of the base system, while bash and ksh are available in ports. I would highly recommend using bash as the default shell for all user accounts (not root though). Since UNIX has very flexible file redirection and pipes, you can construct some very poweful commands in the shell. There was no GUI (or even two dimensional screen based interfaces) when UNIX was in its infancy, so everything had to be done on the command line, and line by line. But except for having to memorize many commands and their options, this was not a hindrance, because you could (and can) do some amazing things on the command line. The power is extended to shell scripts. A script is nothing more than a file that contains shell commands. But since UNIX shells have some programming constructs built in (conditionals, loops, etc), scripts are really programs, and not mere batch files. Bourne shells are the best for writing scripts, and my recommendation is to always use the plain vanilla "sh" for scripting. How powerful are shell scripts? Consider that once the FreeBSD kernel has finished loading and initializing, virtually everything else at bootup is done through a shell script. All of the daily, weekly and monthly security checks and reports are done with shell scripts. Shell scripts are the glue that hold UNIX together. But they're simple and versatile enough for even you to learn and use every day. Cheers, David Johnson From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 25 19:22:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E2216A4CE for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:22:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta3.wss.scd.yahoo.com (mta3.wss.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.85.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A7243D1D for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:22:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsdrockford@pastrytech.com) Received: from pastrytech.com (220.210.44.129) by mta3.wss.scd.yahoo.com (7.0.016) (authenticated as maupin@pastrytech.com) id 0000000000D5F92F for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:22:58 -0800 Message-ID: <403D67EF.1040100@pastrytech.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:28:47 +0900 From: R User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <20040225200124.9E40016A4D7@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20040225200124.9E40016A4D7@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: My experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: bsdrockford@pastrytech.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 03:22:58 -0000 Hello, I'm a new subscriber, and just thought I'd post my experiences. I decided to use FreeBSD on a web server project, and just recently installed 4.9 on a cheap used PC to practice for the real installation on the eventual real server. I'm using Zope and MySQL, and perhaps an Apache frontend. I'm used to Macs and Windows, and no Linux experience besides playing around with Knoppix. However I love the Amiga OS (which was based on unix) the most, so I'm quite used to CLI stuff. In fact, if I can get an Amiga "look" (AKA "skin") for X I might put FreeBSD on my next laptop... perhaps with a dual install for Windows games. Or just boot into UAE (I had done this with my old laptop using Windows, but Windows has a lot of overhead...). So far I haven't been able to get X to work, but I haven't given it much of a try because I'm making a server and I'm mostly telneting into it from my Windows laptop anyway. Installing FreeBSD was not easy. I thought I could get by with online info, but ended up buying 2 books: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your Personal Computer, and The Complete FreeBSD. The latter was especially helpful, while the first was somewhat helpful but a strange mix of complete beginner info and glossing over of more advanced things that I wanted to know. My biggest installation problems: setting up a domain and IP for the machine, and configuring Samba so that my laptop could talk to the server. I think networking information should be explained more completely online and in the books I mentioned above. I did a lot of trial and error, which proved fatal with Samba, because as it turns out Windows XP Home is intentionally crippled when it comes to networking and using Samba is difficult (if not impossible - I still don't understand, and I wasted a week screwing around trying to get it to work). Finally I gave up and just use FTP to move files back and forth. Works fine and at least I understand it, unlike Windows "shares." Most FreeBSD directions assume the user has an internet connection and therefor champion ports. I used packages because I don't have a landline (I'm in Japan and it's $700 for a licence to have a phone). I use a cell phone and cellular modem in my laptop to get online. I don't like how different programs/packages get placed all over the filesystem... It means more typing and more lost moments trying to remember where everything is. That kind of gives me pause about using FreeBSD as a desktop. I tried several times to get X working, with no luck. Part of the trouble is that this is a used system so I don't have manuals for the display card and monitor. I used Knoppix to get some idea of what I have, and tried the closest drivers/settings, but no luck. Anyway, this is a server so CLI is fine. As for the programs, the newest Zope compiled with no problems. I used a package of Python and MySQL. I have had some problems getting the mysql-python and mysqldba (database adaptor) working with Zope and MySQL, but that appears to be just a mixture of poor documentation, a corrupt gzip, and a multitude of version combinations, of which only a few are correct. (I gather that's a problem with OSS in general.) Anyway, I've enjoyed tinkering around but I've had a few headaches along the way! I have plenty of super-newbie type questions that I'll probably start asking on freebsd-questions... R From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 26 01:03:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB25816A4CE for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:03:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from out012.verizon.net (out012pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F64443D1F for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:03:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patrician@verizon.net) Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([4.11.97.150]) by out012.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040226090356.MHBL1590.out012.verizon.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 03:03:56 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <403D67EF.1040100@pastrytech.com> References: <20040225200124.9E40016A4D7@hub.freebsd.org> <403D67EF.1040100@pastrytech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Juan Pablo Gutierrez Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:03:39 -0800 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [4.11.97.150] at Thu, 26 Feb 2004 03:03:56 -0600 Subject: Re: My experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 09:03:58 -0000 On Feb 25, 2004, at 7:28 PM, R wrote: > > I don't like how different programs/packages get placed all over the > filesystem... It means more typing and more lost moments trying to > remember where everything is. That kind of gives me pause about using > FreeBSD as a desktop. Most of the other things you mention I have no knowledge of (and perhaps you might consider joining and resending your whole email to freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG), but as far as the filesystem hierarchy, I can tell you as a newbie myself you do eventually get used to it, and now I think it's quite elegant. Also, setting up your PATH in bash helps save time with typing if you don't want to or can't change which directory you want the program installed. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 26 02:26:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8AD16A4CE for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 02:26:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from av3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (av3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.109]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F9243D1F for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 02:26:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from homebell@telia.com) Received: by av3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id DC98D37F38; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:26:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.163]) by av3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC98437F37 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:26:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from BELLDELL (h251n2fls31o930.telia.com [217.210.244.251]) by smtp3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9394937E5E; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:26:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00da01c3fc52$f9f4e580$0300a8c0@BELLDELL> From: "Kjell B." To: References: <20040225200124.9E40016A4D7@hub.freebsd.org> <403D67EF.1040100@pastrytech.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:26:20 +0100 Organization: Not particularly organized MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 cc: bsdrockford@pastrytech.com Subject: Re: My experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:26:22 -0000 R wrote: > Hello, -snip- > My biggest installation problems: setting up a domain and IP for the > machine, and configuring Samba so that my laptop could talk to the > server. I think networking information should be explained more > completely online and in the books I mentioned above. I did a lot of > trial and error, which proved fatal with Samba, because as it turns > out Windows XP Home is intentionally crippled when it comes to > networking > and using Samba is difficult (if not impossible - I still don't > understand, and I wasted a week screwing around trying to get it to > work). Finally I gave up and just use FTP to move files back and > forth. Works fine and at least I understand it, unlike Windows > "shares." -snip- As this is not FreeBSD related, but rather a Samba/Win XP Home issue, I feel I dare to give a somewhat technical answer. If you run XP Home, you can always set up Samba as a workgroup server and file sharing works just fine. I believe it also works if Samba is setup as a domain server but you won't get domain support. As always, read the documentation, in this case the Samba documentation. I've set up Samba as a workgroup server and it went like a breeze once I've read the Samba documentation. I've had a lot more problems getting domain support to work with XP Professional, but managed that too in the end. -- Kjell From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 26 04:24:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B1716A4CE for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 04:24:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from pike.mail.pike.ru (pike.mail.pike.ru [194.135.18.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3C543D2D for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 04:24:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DerAlSem@inbox.ru) Received: (qmail 1696 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2004 12:28:00 -0000 Received: from deralsem.pikenet.ru (HELO DERALDO) (194.135.17.85) by pike.mail.pike.ru with SMTP; 26 Feb 2004 12:28:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:24:29 +0300 From: DerAlSem X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <689999658.20040226152429@inbox.ru> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Time sync X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: DerAlSem List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:24:31 -0000 Hello freebsd-newbies, I've read man timed and timedc, but still can't get, how it works... Just want to sync current server time with some internet atomic clock server. Where can i read 'bout such a program? -- Best regards, DerAlSem mailto:DerAlSem@inbox.ru From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 26 04:29:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4643C16A4CE for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 04:29:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from gaff.hhhr.ision.net (gaff.hhhr.ision.net [195.180.9.213]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB2C43D3F for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 04:29:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ohoyer@gaff.hhhr.ision.net) Received: from gaff.hhhr.ision.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gaff.hhhr.ision.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1QCTtOL069763; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:29:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ohoyer@gaff.hhhr.ision.net) Received: from localhost (ohoyer@localhost)i1QCTtii069760; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:29:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ohoyer@gaff.hhhr.ision.net) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:29:54 +0100 (CET) From: Olaf Hoyer To: DerAlSem In-Reply-To: <689999658.20040226152429@inbox.ru> Message-ID: <20040226132655.N69747@gaff.hhhr.ision.net> References: <689999658.20040226152429@inbox.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Time sync X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:29:53 -0000 On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, DerAlSem wrote: > Hello freebsd-newbies, > > I've read man timed and timedc, but still can't get, how it works... > Just want to sync current server time with some internet atomic > clock server. Where can i read 'bout such a program? Hi! man ntpd and ntp.conf there also is a section in the freebsd handbook, describing how to setup a ntp server. This is what you basically want, and what is in widespread use. Its simple, even I managed it within a few minutes. The only thing is to respect some niceness to the operators of public ntp servers, and only sync from stratum 2 or higher numbers... Or, if you only have a local client, that does not want to distribute his time to other servers, you simply need to type as root: ntpdate ntp.domain.tld thats all, and can be run via cron HTH Olaf -- Olaf Hoyer ohoyer@gaff.hhhr.ision.net Fuerchterliche Erlebniss geben zu raten, ob der, welcher sie erlebt, nicht etwas Fuerchterliches ist. (Nietzsche, Jenseits von Gut und Boese) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 26 05:06:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF2116A4CE for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 05:06:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62EA743D1D for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 05:06:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfm@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from lexx ([82.37.145.193]) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:06:02 +0000 From: John Murphy To: newbies@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:06:00 +0000 Message-ID: <6brr309rin079b3202ecripl1ihlftptp4@4ax.com> References: <689999658.20040226152429@inbox.ru> In-Reply-To: <689999658.20040226152429@inbox.ru> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2004 13:06:02.0146 (UTC) FILETIME=[48E86020:01C3FC69] cc: DerAlSem@inbox.ru Subject: Re: Time sync X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jfm@blueyonder.co.uk List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:06:04 -0000 DerAlSem wrote: > I've read man timed and timedc, but still can't get, how it works... > Just want to sync current server time with some internet atomic > clock server. Where can i read 'bout such a program? http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-ntp.htm= l Or your local copy if you have the documentation installed, or man 8 ntpd for the full details. (Posted at 13:06 GMT precicely :)) --=20 John. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 26 05:26:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F35CE16A4CE for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 05:26:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from pike.mail.pike.ru (pike.mail.pike.ru [194.135.18.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07DCF43D1D for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 05:26:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DerAlSem@inbox.ru) Received: (qmail 61087 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2004 13:29:37 -0000 Received: from deralsem.pikenet.ru (HELO DERALDO) (194.135.17.85) by pike.mail.pike.ru with SMTP; 26 Feb 2004 13:29:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:26:09 +0300 From: DerAlSem X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <327180829.20040226162609@inbox.ru> To: John Murphy In-Reply-To: <6brr309rin079b3202ecripl1ihlftptp4@4ax.com> References: <689999658.20040226152429@inbox.ru> <6brr309rin079b3202ecripl1ihlftptp4@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: Time sync X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: DerAlSem List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:26:08 -0000 JM> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-ntp.html JM> Or your local copy if you have the documentation installed, or JM> man 8 ntpd for the full details. Actually, i got it with ntpdate pool.ntp.org That's it, no man, no ntp.conf, etc. ;) Also, no automation, but at the moment i don't need it, but i already know, how to do it. ;) Thanks anyway. -- Best regards, DerAlSem mailto:DerAlSem@inbox.ru From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 26 08:20:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48ED816A511 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:20:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:20:05 -0800 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Errors-To: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Your message to freebsd-scsi awaits moderator approval X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:20:09 -0000 Your mail to 'freebsd-scsi' with the subject unknown Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: SpamAssassin identified this message as possible spam Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/confirm/freebsd-scsi/8374fab4dc98db8c8fc611b27d64535ef6f229f3 PLEASE NOTE! If you would like to post freely to the list, please subscribe first. If you post from multiple addresses, you can subscribe each address and go into the options page and select 'no mail' for all but one address. This will allow you to post without delay in the future. Sorry for the hassle, but certain immature people made this necessary. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 26 09:51:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677D716A4CE for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 09:51:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.inspire.net.nz (mail1.inspire.net.nz [203.114.128.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9B043D1D for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 09:51:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bdh@inspire.net.nz) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72B71A5473; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:50:56 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from mail.inspire.net.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail1 [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with ESMTP id 02015-05; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:50:56 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from inspire.net.nz (203-114-159-67-dsl.inspire.net.nz [203.114.159.67]) by mail.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D651A5160; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:50:55 +1300 (NZDT) Message-ID: <403E31F6.3020001@inspire.net.nz> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:50:46 +1300 From: Bruce Harding User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-nz, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bsdrockford@pastrytech.com References: <20040225200124.9E40016A4D7@hub.freebsd.org> <403D67EF.1040100@pastrytech.com> In-Reply-To: <403D67EF.1040100@pastrytech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:51:01 -0000 R wrote: > trial and error, which proved fatal with Samba, because as it turns out > Windows XP Home is intentionally crippled when it comes to networking Just to go off topic slightly, this really isn't a Samba issue, as you say XP home is crippled, and it can be just as much of a pain getting it to successfully network with other versions of windows in my experience. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 26 10:47:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D57416A4D0 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:47:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from web14606.mail.yahoo.com (web14606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.86]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EB0DE43D3F for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:47:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from plageotakes@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040226184733.10609.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.164.227.13] by web14606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:47:33 PST Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:47:33 -0800 (PST) From: peter lageotakes To: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Your message to freebsd-scsi awaits moderator approval X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:47:34 -0000 Hello all, I keep getting these messages stating that is awaiting moderator approval. However, I am not sending any messages from this account. Any suggestions? Pete --- owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org wrote: > Your mail to 'freebsd-scsi' with the subject > > unknown > > Is being held until the list moderator can review it > for approval. > > The reason it is being held: > > SpamAssassin identified this message as possible > spam > > Either the message will get posted to the list, or > you will receive > notification of the moderator's decision. If you > would like to cancel > this posting, please visit the following URL: > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/confirm/freebsd-scsi/8374fab4dc98db8c8fc611b27d64535ef6f229f3 > > > PLEASE NOTE! If you would like to post freely to > the list, please > subscribe first. If you post from multiple > addresses, you can > subscribe each address and go into the options page > and select 'no > mail' for all but one address. 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Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 26 10:54:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACBB16A4CF for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:54:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from rdsnet.ro (unknown [62.231.74.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A3D43D2F for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:54:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from itetcu@apropo.ro) Received: (qmail 18611 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2004 18:54:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro) (81.196.25.19) by mail.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 26 Feb 2004 18:54:46 -0000 Received: from it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (localhost.buh.cameradicommercio.ro [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C74622B; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:56:43 +0200 (EET) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:56:42 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: peter lageotakes Message-Id: <20040226205642.115377a5@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> In-Reply-To: <20040226184733.10609.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040226184733.10609.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Your message to freebsd-scsi awaits moderator approval X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:54:49 -0000 On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:47:33 -0800 (PST) peter lageotakes wrote: > Hello all, > > I keep getting these messages stating that is awaiting > moderator approval. However, I am not sending any > messages from this account. Microsoft world viruses that harvest addresses adn use tham as From: > > Any suggestions? > Pete > --- owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org wrote: > > Your mail to 'freebsd-scsi' with the subject > > > > unknown > > -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD user From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 26 17:15:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545F316A4CE for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:15:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta4.wss.scd.yahoo.com (mta4.wss.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.85.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC7D43D1F for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:15:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsdrockford@pastrytech.com) Received: from pastrytech.com (220.159.62.97) by mta4.wss.scd.yahoo.com (7.0.016) (authenticated as maupin@pastrytech.com) id 403A5DBF001E622B for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:15:36 -0800 Message-ID: <403E9B98.6030501@pastrytech.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:21:28 +0900 From: R User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <20040226200101.A496416A4D2@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20040226200101.A496416A4D2@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: My experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: bsdrockford@pastrytech.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 01:15:37 -0000 Kjell B. wrote: > If you run XP Home, you can always set up Samba as a workgroup server and > file sharing works just fine. I believe it also works if Samba is setup as a > domain server but you won't get domain support. As always, read the > documentation, in this case the Samba documentation. I've set up Samba as a > workgroup server and it went like a breeze once I've read the Samba > documentation. I've had a lot more problems getting domain support to work > with XP Professional, but managed that too in the end. Really? Thanks for the information. I did read a good bit of the Samba instructions... but mainly relied on various "how to set up Samba on FreeBSD" type web pages, and the books I mentioned earlier. Following the instructions on those pages, and altering them slightly when things didn't work, didn't get me far... The actual amount of files I have to transfer back and forth are small, so for now ftp works well. And once I start moving over the html and python scripts, I'll be using http within Zope, so I don't think I'll need Samba, like I did when starting out. Plus it gives me some pleasure to skip out on Windows networking! If I was setting up a LAN file server and wanted access from my Windows laptop, things would be different, of course. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 26 23:39:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D86F16A4CE for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:39:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD2D43D39 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:39:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from dsc01-chc-il-209-109-244-94.rasserver.net ([209.109.244.94] helo=nbritton.org) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AwcbE-0001YE-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:39:57 -0800 Message-ID: <403EF44B.2020401@nbritton.org> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 01:39:55 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <20040225200124.9E40016A4D7@hub.freebsd.org> <403D67EF.1040100@pastrytech.com> <403E31F6.3020001@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <403E31F6.3020001@inspire.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: My experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:39:58 -0000 Bruce Harding wrote: > R wrote: > >> trial and error, which proved fatal with Samba, because as it turns >> out Windows XP Home is intentionally crippled when it comes to >> networking > > > Just to go off topic slightly, this really isn't a Samba issue, as you > say XP home is crippled, and it can be just as much of a pain getting > it to successfully network with other versions of windows in my > experience. I can attest to that!!! @#$^!@#$^!@$#%!@#! know any good samba resources? > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 27 00:45:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF64916A4CE for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:45:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from garcea.cpea.ro (unknown [192.129.3.92]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D3843D31 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:44:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from razvan@cpea.ro) Received: (qmail 19173 invoked by uid 204); 27 Feb 2004 12:45:05 +0200 Received: from razvan@cpea.ro by garcea by uid 201 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (clamscan: 0.67. Clear:. Processed in 0.026194 secs); 27 Feb 2004 10:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpea.ro) (192.168.1.34) by 192.168.1.2 with SMTP; 27 Feb 2004 12:45:04 +0200 Message-ID: <403F0368.5020700@cpea.ro> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:44:24 +0200 From: Razvan Pop User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-newbies" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: freebsd without internet connection X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:45:17 -0000 hello guys, i'm using freebsd and because i liked it i installed it at home too. Problem is i don't have internet at home. When i'm trying to install a package it wants to go online. Any ideas how i could install packages off-line? -- Kindest Regards, Razvan Pop. Web Developer From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 27 00:45:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE45216A4CF for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:45:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12EA43D31 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:45:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from dsc01-chc-il-209-109-244-94.rasserver.net ([209.109.244.94] helo=nbritton.org) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Awdd3-0003S1-00; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:45:54 -0800 Message-ID: <403F03C0.3040002@nbritton.org> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:45:52 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bsdrockford@pastrytech.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <20040226200101.A496416A4D2@hub.freebsd.org> <403E9B98.6030501@pastrytech.com> In-Reply-To: <403E9B98.6030501@pastrytech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: My experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:45:56 -0000 R wrote: > Kjell B. wrote: > > > If you run XP Home, you can always set up Samba as a workgroup > server and > > file sharing works just fine. I believe it also works if Samba is > setup as a > > domain server but you won't get domain support. As always, read the > > documentation, in this case the Samba documentation. I've set up > Samba as a > > workgroup server and it went like a breeze once I've read the Samba > > documentation. I've had a lot more problems getting domain support > to work > > with XP Professional, but managed that too in the end. > > Really? Thanks for the information. I did read a good bit of the > Samba instructions... but mainly relied on various "how to set up > Samba on FreeBSD" type web pages, and the books I mentioned earlier. > Following the instructions on those pages, and altering them slightly > when things didn't work, didn't get me far... > > The actual amount of files I have to transfer back and forth are > small, so for now ftp works well. And once I start moving over the > html and python scripts, I'll be using http within Zope, so I don't > think I'll need Samba, like I did when starting out. Plus it gives me > some pleasure to skip out on Windows networking! If I was setting up > a LAN file server and wanted access from my Windows laptop, things > would be different, of course. You know you got me thinking... "Whats the best way to tranfer data to and from a stock FreeBSD system without loading any 3rd party software or starting unnessasary / insecure services" Then it hit me, use SFTP with SSH duh!!! FreeBSD ships with SSH, it's on by default on most system's (if its not, add "sshd_enable="YES" to rc.conf), and it's secure. Whats that you say, "You don't have a Windows FTP client that supports SFTP", Try FileZilla, it supports SFTP using SSH2, FTP over SSL, and plain old FTP and best of all its FREE! http://filezilla.sourceforge.net/ If your unfamiliar with SSH, be aware that directly logging in as root is disabled on *nix systems, you'll have to login with a regular user account. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 27 01:04:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D93E16A4CE for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 01:04:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D8C43D1D for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 01:04:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Fri, 27 Feb 2004 03:04:48 -0600 Message-ID: <403F07E5.2050201@daleco.biz> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 03:03:33 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Razvan Pop References: <403F0368.5020700@cpea.ro> In-Reply-To: <403F0368.5020700@cpea.ro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2004 09:04:49.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0A74E80:01C3FD10] cc: freebsd-newbies Subject: Re: freebsd without internet connection X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:04:32 -0000 Razvan Pop wrote: > hello guys, > > i'm using freebsd and because i liked it i installed it at home > too. Problem is i don't have internet at home. When i'm trying to > install a package it wants to go online. Any ideas how i could install > packages off-line? > Burn the packages to a CD at work? Or, use the ports system, and grab the source tarballs at work, burn them, and take them home. Put them in /usr/ports/distfiles, cd /usr/ports/somedir/mynextport, type "make install clean" .... Try installing portupgrade (/usr/ports/sysutils/portupgrade) on the work machine. You could then do "portupgrade -F" to fetch the source (recursively) for ports on your home machine, or "-FP" to fetch packages.... Lastly, the FreeBSD Mall (and some other vendors) have multiple CD sets that include distfiles for many major packages and their dependencies.... HTH, Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 27 01:07:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67DBF16A4CE for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 01:07:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from fidel.freesurf.fr (fidel.freesurf.fr [212.43.206.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136B343D1F for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 01:07:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ogautherot@freesurf.fr) Received: from mail.freesurf.fr (mail.freesurf.fr [212.43.206.50]) by fidel.freesurf.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB3D2A4C05; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:07:41 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail.freesurf.fr (Postfix, from userid 5000) id 4D0C26B8C0; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:07:33 +0100 (CET) References: <403F0368.5020700@cpea.ro> In-Reply-To: <403F0368.5020700@cpea.ro> From: ogautherot@freesurf.fr To: Razvan Pop Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:07:33 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: ogautherot@freesurf.fr Message-Id: <20040227090733.4D0C26B8C0@mail.freesurf.fr> cc: freebsd-newbies Subject: Re: freebsd without internet connection X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:07:43 -0000 Hi Razvan! My best guess is to check the names of the files that portinstall tries to download and copy them onto a CD. They need to go to /usr/ports/distfiles (with some few exceptions that require an additional level of subdirectory but it's all explained in the error message). Once the file is found, it will start the compilation process. Beware that you may need to comply with several dependencies before you can complete the installation. So you may have to go back to your office a few times... :-) Hope it helps Olivier > hello guys, > > i'm using freebsd and because i liked it i installed it at home too. > Problem is i don't have internet at home. When i'm trying to install a > package it wants to go online. Any ideas how i could install packages > off-line? > > -- > Kindest Regards, > Razvan Pop. > Web Developer > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 27 01:50:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0782816A4CE for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 01:50:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpo01.icare.priv (unknown [203.78.64.148]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F14E543D1D for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 01:50:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from satimis@icare.com.hk) Received: from smtpi02.icare.priv ([10.11.12.45]) by smtpo01.icare.priv with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:49:57 +0800 Received: from icare.com.hk ([203.88.164.201]) by smtpi02.icare.priv with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:49:57 +0800 Message-ID: <403F12B4.3020007@icare.com.hk> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:49:40 +0800 From: Stephen Liu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040122 Debian/1.6-1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." References: <403F0368.5020700@cpea.ro> <403F07E5.2050201@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: <403F07E5.2050201@daleco.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2004 09:49:57.0455 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F04BDF0:01C3FD17] cc: freebsd-newbies Subject: Re: freebsd without internet connection X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:50:02 -0000 Hi Kevin, I have FreeBSD 5.2 running a slow PC for test purpose. Kindly advise; 1) What steps and commands shall I apply to update/upgrade it from Internet. I am running 3M broadband. 2) Would it upgrade from source? I am a little bid nervous if it is. Because it will take lenghthy time to complete. I have had bitter experience in the past to upgrade a Gentoo box from Intenet TIA B.R. Stephen > Razvan Pop wrote: > >> hello guys, >> >> i'm using freebsd and because i liked it i installed it at home >> too. Problem is i don't have internet at home. When i'm trying to >> install a package it wants to go online. Any ideas how i could >> install packages off-line? >> > > Burn the packages to a CD at work? > > Or, use the ports system, and grab the > source tarballs at work, burn them, and > take them home. Put them in /usr/ports/distfiles, > cd /usr/ports/somedir/mynextport, type "make > install clean" .... > > Try installing portupgrade (/usr/ports/sysutils/portupgrade) > on the work machine. You could then do "portupgrade -F" > to fetch the source (recursively) for ports on your > home machine, or "-FP" to fetch packages.... > > Lastly, the FreeBSD Mall (and some other vendors) have > multiple CD sets that include distfiles for many major > packages and their dependencies.... > > HTH, > > Kevin Kinsey > DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 27 02:04:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245A416A4CE for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:04:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.interlite.net (ns1.interlite.net [62.119.93.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E29243D2D for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:04:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pelle@spd.nu) Received: (qmail 4910 invoked by uid 89); 27 Feb 2004 10:57:25 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO pelle) (62.119.94.78) by mail1.interlite.net with SMTP; 27 Feb 2004 10:57:25 +0100 From: "Pelle Andersson (SPD Systems AB)" To: Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:04:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Thread-Index: AcP9GQu0Mvc5BTReR5GQkj6b+q1NmA== X-Spam-DCC: : X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on server1.interlite.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Message-Id: <20040227100419.0E29243D2D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: Crontab & Newsyslog Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: pelle@spd.nu List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:04:22 -0000 Hi! ::NEWSYSLOG:: ------------- I want to rotate and pack my logs for Qpopper and ProFTPD This is my lines in '/etc/newsyslog.conf': #------------------ /var/log/qpopper.log root:root 640 7 * @T00 Z /var/log/proftp.log root:root 640 7 * @T00 Z #------------------ It does not work =( What do I need to do? Any suggestions? ::CRONTAB:: Im trying to run a shellscript for setting the time against a NTP server. Im also want to run the analog program for Apache2 logs. The lines in '/etc/crontab': #------------------ 0 * * * * root ntpdate.sh 0 * * * * root analog #------------------ I also added the paths to this script & program like this: PATH=./:/etc:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/etc/rc. d/ Neither of them is running? Is this possible at all? FreeBSD verion is 4.9 A big thanks in advance ================================ BEST REGARDS/MVH PELLE ANDERSSON SYSTEM AND NETWORK ENGINEER SPD SYSTEMS AB WWW.SPD.NU ================================ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 27 02:39:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53FD216A4CE for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:39:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A3F43D2D for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:39:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from dsc01-chc-il-209-109-244-94.rasserver.net ([209.109.244.94] helo=nbritton.org) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AwfOW-0003f2-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:39:01 -0800 Message-ID: <403F1E43.9030009@nbritton.org> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 04:38:59 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <403F0368.5020700@cpea.ro> <403F07E5.2050201@daleco.biz> <403F12B4.3020007@icare.com.hk> In-Reply-To: <403F12B4.3020007@icare.com.hk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: freebsd without internet connection X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:39:02 -0000 Stephen Liu wrote: > Hi Kevin, > > I have FreeBSD 5.2 running a slow PC for test purpose. Kindly advise; > > 1) What steps and commands shall I apply to update/upgrade it from > Internet. I am running 3M broadband. use sysinstall to do a binary upgrade > > > 2) Would it upgrade from source? I am a little bid nervous if it is. > Because it will take lenghthy time to complete. I have had bitter > experience in the past to upgrade a Gentoo box from Intenet > > TIA > > B.R. > Stephen > >> Razvan Pop wrote: >> >>> hello guys, >>> >>> i'm using freebsd and because i liked it i installed it at home >>> too. Problem is i don't have internet at home. When i'm trying to >>> install a package it wants to go online. Any ideas how i could >>> install packages off-line? >>> >> >> Burn the packages to a CD at work? >> >> Or, use the ports system, and grab the >> source tarballs at work, burn them, and >> take them home. Put them in /usr/ports/distfiles, >> cd /usr/ports/somedir/mynextport, type "make >> install clean" .... >> >> Try installing portupgrade (/usr/ports/sysutils/portupgrade) >> on the work machine. You could then do "portupgrade -F" >> to fetch the source (recursively) for ports on your >> home machine, or "-FP" to fetch packages.... >> >> Lastly, the FreeBSD Mall (and some other vendors) have >> multiple CD sets that include distfiles for many major >> packages and their dependencies.... >> >> HTH, >> >> Kevin Kinsey >> DaleCo, S.P. > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 27 02:43:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417B816A4CE for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.interlite.net (ns1.interlite.net [62.119.93.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7257F43D1D for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:43:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pelle@spd.nu) Received: (qmail 11677 invoked by uid 89); 27 Feb 2004 11:36:27 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO pelle) (62.119.94.78) by mail1.interlite.net with SMTP; 27 Feb 2004 11:36:27 +0100 From: "Pelle Andersson (SPD Systems AB)" To: Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:43:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: <20040227100419.0E29243D2D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Thread-Index: AcP9GQu0Mvc5BTReR5GQkj6b+q1NmAABRzsA X-Spam-DCC: : X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on server1.interlite.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Message-Id: <20040227104319.7257F43D1D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Crontab & Newsyslog Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: pelle@spd.nu List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:43:20 -0000 Hi again! Solved the Crontab functions =3D) Its working, just needed to reboot... Now is the newsyslog the only matter... Thanks.. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D BEST REGARDS/MVH PELLE ANDERSSON SYSTEM AND NETWORK ENGINEER SPD SYSTEMS AB WWW.SPD.NU =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] F=F6r Pelle Andersson (SPD = Systems AB) Skickat: den 27 februari 2004 11:04 Till: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org =C4mne: Crontab & Newsyslog Questions Hi! ::NEWSYSLOG:: ------------- I want to rotate and pack my logs for Qpopper and ProFTPD This is my = lines in '/etc/newsyslog.conf': #------------------ /var/log/qpopper.log root:root 640 7 * @T00 Z /var/log/proftp.log root:root 640 7 * @T00 Z=20 #------------------ It does not work =3D( What do I need to do? Any suggestions? ::CRONTAB:: Im trying to run a shellscript for setting the time against a NTP = server. Im also want to run the analog program for Apache2 logs. The lines in '/etc/crontab': #------------------ 0 * * * * root ntpdate.sh 0 * * * * root analog=20 #------------------ I also added the paths to this script & program like this: PATH=3D./:/etc:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/et= c/rc. d/=20 Neither of them is running? Is this possible at all? FreeBSD verion is 4.9 A big thanks in advance =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D BEST REGARDS/MVH PELLE ANDERSSON SYSTEM AND NETWORK ENGINEER SPD SYSTEMS AB WWW.SPD.NU =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 27 03:19:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D26316A4CE for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 03:19:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from popimap02.icare.priv (unknown [203.78.64.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C14843D2D for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 03:19:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from satimis@icare.com.hk) Received: from smtpi02.icare.priv ([10.11.12.45]) by popimap02.icare.priv with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:19:39 +0800 Received: from icare.com.hk ([203.88.164.201]) by smtpi02.icare.priv with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:19:38 +0800 Message-ID: <403F27CA.6010104@icare.com.hk> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:19:38 +0800 From: Stephen Liu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040122 Debian/1.6-1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nikolas Britton References: <403F0368.5020700@cpea.ro> <403F07E5.2050201@daleco.biz> <403F12B4.3020007@icare.com.hk> <403F1E43.9030009@nbritton.org> In-Reply-To: <403F1E43.9030009@nbritton.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2004 11:19:38.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[9699F260:01C3FD23] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd without internet connection X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:19:42 -0000 >> I have FreeBSD 5.2 running a slow PC for test purpose. Kindly advise; >> >> 1) What steps and commands shall I apply to update/upgrade it from >> Internet. I am running 3M broadband. > > > use sysinstall to do a binary upgrade Hi Nikolas, Tks for your advice. Is it to run # /stand/sysinstall TIA B.R. Stephen From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 27 03:45:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B976E16A4CE for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 03:45:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF1243D2F for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 03:45:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from dsc01-chc-il-209-109-244-94.rasserver.net ([209.109.244.94] helo=nbritton.org) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AwgQs-000693-00; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 03:45:31 -0800 Message-ID: <403F2DD9.1060204@nbritton.org> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 05:45:29 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Liu , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <403F0368.5020700@cpea.ro> <403F07E5.2050201@daleco.biz> <403F12B4.3020007@icare.com.hk> <403F1E43.9030009@nbritton.org> <403F27CA.6010104@icare.com.hk> In-Reply-To: <403F27CA.6010104@icare.com.hk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: freebsd without internet connection X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:45:35 -0000 Yes, Run /stand/sysinstall as root. check the handbook etc. for details b4 you start the upgrade. This is I think another way to do a binary upgrade: http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=98366&cid=8397567 Stephen Liu wrote: > >>> I have FreeBSD 5.2 running a slow PC for test purpose. Kindly advise; >>> >>> 1) What steps and commands shall I apply to update/upgrade it from >>> Internet. I am running 3M broadband. >> >> >> >> use sysinstall to do a binary upgrade > > > > Hi Nikolas, > > Tks for your advice. > > Is it to run > > # /stand/sysinstall > > TIA > > B.R. > Stephen > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 27 04:31:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF1D16A4CE for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 04:31:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from web60906.mail.yahoo.com (web60906.mail.yahoo.com [216.155.196.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8781543D2F for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 04:31:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nevtide@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040227123101.5926.qmail@web60906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.100.24.113] by web60906.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 04:31:01 PST Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 04:31:01 -0800 (PST) From: NevTide To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: More of an X question, but... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:31:03 -0000 Hopefully someone can offer some help.... I'm running X windows version 4.3.0 and fluxbox as the wm (though the problem happens in any WM or DE so I know it's an X problem) ... Sometimes (but not always), when I switch from X windows to a virtaul console, then switch back into X windows, the screen display appears to have repositioned itself a 1/2 inch to an inch upwards..... The bottom 1/2 inch to inch of the screen is filled in with gibberish and distorted bits of client windows. Apparently X doesn't relize there's a problem when this happens, since (for example) I still have to click a 1/2 inch to inch below any buttons, menus, etc. (or in other words, where it origainlly was) to activate it. Switching resolutions back and forth fixes the problem, but that gets annyoing: this problem shouldn't be happening. My Video Card is a 3d Labs Oxygen Vx1... I use the X windows 3d Labs Oxygen GMX [glint driver]. I'm on FreeBSD 5.2 now, but the X setup is configred the same way it was under mandrake 9.1 and I never had a problem there. Any advice? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 27 05:21:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4EA16A4CE for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 05:21:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-out2.xs4all.nl (smtp-out2.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE7843D46 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 05:21:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eelco.zwart@planet.nl) Received: from twofence (discworld.xs4all.nl [80.126.75.154]) by smtp-out2.xs4all.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i1RDL7FQ040691 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:21:07 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001901c3fd34$8f37a060$9700000a@twofence> From: "Eelco Zwart" To: Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:21:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: 4.9 or 5.2.1 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:21:09 -0000 I've read a lot (book and this lists) and now I finally going to install = FBSD! My first choice was to install 4.9 stable but after 5.2.1 was released I = started to doubt.. Can anyone give me a good reason why not to start = with 5.2.1 as a newbie ? It's just a 'play-around' installation ... From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 27 07:26:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34FF316A4CE for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:26:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from fidel.freesurf.fr (fidel.freesurf.fr [212.43.206.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A5D43D1D for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:26:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ogautherot@freesurf.fr) Received: from 62-240-248-204.adsl.freesurf.fr (62-240-248-204.adsl.freesurf.fr [62.240.248.204]) by fidel.freesurf.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DFBD2A494A; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:26:05 +0100 (CET) From: Olivier Gautherot To: "Eelco Zwart" , Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:25:57 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <001901c3fd34$8f37a060$9700000a@twofence> In-Reply-To: <001901c3fd34$8f37a060$9700000a@twofence> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402271625.57652.ogautherot@freesurf.fr> Subject: Re: 4.9 or 5.2.1 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:26:11 -0000 If you're a newbie, I would recommend 5.2.1. I use it happily. 4.9 is more for people who want to keep compatibility with earlier releases. Cheerio Olivier On Friday 27 February 2004 14:21, Eelco Zwart wrote: > I've read a lot (book and this lists) and now I finally going to install > FBSD! > > My first choice was to install 4.9 stable but after 5.2.1 was released I > started to doubt.. Can anyone give me a good reason why not to start with > 5.2.1 as a newbie ? > > It's just a 'play-around' installation ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 27 07:30:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707CC16A4CE for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:30:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from cg.c.is (mail.hallo.is [193.4.194.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA80E43D2D for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:30:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from beastie@internet.is) Received: from katla (194-144-5-60.xdsl.is [194.144.5.60]) by cg.c.is (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id i1RFUYDx2449450 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:30:35 GMT Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:30:34 GMT Message-Id: <200402271530.i1RFUYDx2449450@cg.c.is> From: Bolli =?ISO-8859-1?Q?P=E1lmason?= To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <001901c3fd34$8f37a060$9700000a@twofence> References: <001901c3fd34$8f37a060$9700000a@twofence> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.9 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 4.9 or 5.2.1 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:30:36 -0000 On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:21:03 +0100 "Eelco Zwart" wrote: > I've read a lot (book and this lists) and now I finally going to install FBSD! > > My first choice was to install 4.9 stable but after 5.2.1 was released I started to doubt.. Can anyone give me a good reason why not to start with 5.2.1 as a newbie ? > > It's just a 'play-around' installation ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hello Well I was in the same shoes as you a week ago, I installed 5.2.1 and it was a great experience, everything just worked, even my raid-0 (HT370). I've done buildworld and installed xwindows, icewm (windowmanager), firefox (browser), sylpheed (mail), gaim (MSN) and eterm to name a few from ports, no problems so far. So if you are just going to "play-around" you should go for 5.2.1, if you have a mission critical machine go for 4.9. Bolli From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 27 08:47:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A24916A4CE for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:47:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from popimap02.icare.priv (unknown [203.78.64.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B6843D2D for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:47:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from satimis@icare.com.hk) Received: from smtpi01.icare.priv ([10.11.12.46]) by popimap02.icare.priv with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 28 Feb 2004 00:46:58 +0800 Received: from icare.com.hk ([203.88.164.168]) by smtpi01.icare.priv with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 28 Feb 2004 00:46:58 +0800 Message-ID: <403F7478.90201@icare.com.hk> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 00:46:48 +0800 From: Stephen Liu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040122 Debian/1.6-1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2004 16:46:58.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[50C51F20:01C3FD51] Subject: Kernel version X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:47:01 -0000 Hi folks What command is applied to find kernel version? # uname -a indicating release version and GENERIC i386 only TIA B.R. Stephen Liu From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 27 08:58:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2C116A4CE for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:58:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from rdsnet.ro (unknown [62.231.74.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B393143D1F for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:58:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from itetcu@apropo.ro) Received: (qmail 22466 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2004 16:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro) (81.196.25.19) by mail.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 27 Feb 2004 16:58:31 -0000 Received: from it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (localhost.buh.cameradicommercio.ro [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (Postfix) with SMTP id 076331E9; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:00:25 +0200 (EET) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:00:24 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: Stephen Liu Message-Id: <20040227190024.4307f97b@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> In-Reply-To: <403F7478.90201@icare.com.hk> References: <403F7478.90201@icare.com.hk> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Kernel version X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:58:33 -0000 On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 00:46:48 +0800 Stephen Liu wrote: > Hi folks > > What command is applied to find kernel version? > > # uname -a > indicating release version and GENERIC i386 only You're not on linux; FreeBSD is a *system* not a kernel made by someone and utilities put together by a distro maker. Hence there is no (need for) kernel versions. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD user From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 27 08:58:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E508A16A4CE for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:58:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw-20.stclodustate.edu (exchange8.stcloudstate.edu [199.17.25.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5986943D1D for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:58:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bepratt@stcloudstate.edu) Received: from exchange7.campus.stcloudstate.edu [199.17.25.221] by mailgw-20.stclodustate.edu with XWall v3.29 ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:58:40 -0600 Received: from exchange.campus.stcloudstate.edu ([199.17.25.200]) by exchange7.stcloudstate.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:58:40 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:58:39 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Kernel version Thread-Index: AcP9UV6X5h2Qs3LoQtK6jl0FWBU32gAAY6ow From: "Pratt, Benjamin E." To: "Stephen Liu" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2004 16:58:40.0344 (UTC) FILETIME=[F30E1D80:01C3FD52] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Kernel version X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:58:43 -0000 I might be wrong, I am fairly new to FreeBSD so it wouldn't surprise me, but the release version is the kernel version. Unlike Linux, you cannot upgrade just the kernel, you upgrade the entire OS. Hope that helps. Again, I'm sorry if you knew that and were just talking over my head. Ben =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Liu Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 10:47 AM To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Kernel version Hi folks What command is applied to find kernel version? # uname -a indicating release version and GENERIC i386 only TIA B.R. Stephen Liu _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 27 09:08:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA35516A4CE for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:08:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from rdsnet.ro (unknown [62.231.74.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD5D043D2F for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:08:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from itetcu@apropo.ro) Received: (qmail 27151 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2004 17:08:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro) (81.196.25.19) by mail.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 27 Feb 2004 17:08:22 -0000 Received: from it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (localhost.buh.cameradicommercio.ro [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (Postfix) with SMTP id 9564E1E9; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:10:15 +0200 (EET) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:10:15 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: "Pratt, Benjamin E." Message-Id: <20040227191015.25305cd8@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: Stephen Liu Subject: Re: Kernel version X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:08:25 -0000 On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:58:39 -0600 "Pratt, Benjamin E." wrote: > I might be wrong, I am fairly new to FreeBSD so it wouldn't surprise me, > but the release version is the kernel version. Unlike Linux, you cannot > upgrade just the kernel, you upgrade the entire OS. You are wrong. Of course, some time upgrading only world or kernel means trouble. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD user From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 27 13:10:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66CB16A4CE for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:10:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE3D243D2F for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:10:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:10:55 -0600 Message-ID: <403FB24B.40505@daleco.biz> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:10:35 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Liu References: <403F7478.90201@icare.com.hk> In-Reply-To: <403F7478.90201@icare.com.hk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2004 21:10:55.0953 (UTC) FILETIME=[3094C410:01C3FD76] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Kernel version X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:10:40 -0000 Stephen Liu wrote: > Hi folks > > What command is applied to find kernel version? > > # uname -a > indicating release version and GENERIC i386 only > > TIA > > B.R. > Stephen Liu You're getting warmer with these responses. FreeBSD is a complete OS; not just a kernel. This great OS is unlike Linux in that respect. Linux is a kernel plus a userland from RedHat, Debian, Suse, Gentoo, etc., etc. FreeBSD is a kernel and userland *together*, all in one Project. Therefore, you have a "system version," not just a kernel version. You build a "world" (complete OS userland), then build a kernel (according to a] your own configuration file, or b] GENERIC). So, the RELEASE version (or OS version, doesn't have to be a RELEASE) plus the kernel config name IS the "kernel version" if you want to Linux-ize the terminology. Usually, we don't :-) So after all, uname -a gets you what you're really asking for. Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 27 18:47:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1980B16A4CE; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:47:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from tishrei.maltin.org (unknown [66.250.55.186]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC08343D31; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:47:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from George@sddi.net) Received: from maltin.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) Software Daemon) with SMTP id E07825B7B7; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:47:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from 162.84.131.123 (SquirrelMail authenticated user grosamond) by mail.sddi.net with HTTP; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:47:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1850.162.84.131.123.1077936433.squirrel@mail.sddi.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:47:13 -0500 (EST) From: "G. Rosamond" To: , , , X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.6) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: March 3rd NYC BSD User Group Meeting X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: George@sddi.net List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 02:47:15 -0000 this wednesday in Manhattan. . . # March 3rd Monthly Meeting: Roland Dowdeswell on The CryptoGraphic Disk Driver 7 pm, 116 W. 23rd Street, 5th Floor (across from Tekserve) Introduced in NetBSD -current and part of the upcoming 2.0 release, the CryptoGraphic Disk Device (CGD) provides cryptographic security for data stored on hard drives. The presentation will cover the following: * the high level design of CGD * threat models * comparison with both other cryptographic disk drivers and file systems, and * how to use CGD, and make sure that you are using it securely. For background information on CGD, please refer to http://www.Imrryr.org/~elric/cgd/ for more information, check out www.nycbug.org From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 27 19:10:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B1D16A4CF for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:10:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC6043D31 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:10:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i1S3AGbv028345 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:10:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i1S3AG10028343 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:10:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:10:16 -0800 (PST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200402280310.i1S3AG10028343@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 03:10:17 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________