From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 4 00:10:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB5B16A4CE; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 00:10:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A88F43D31; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 00:10:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C6AAE038; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 00:10:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04971-05; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 00:10:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DF44DAE030; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 00:10:03 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040404081003.DF44DAE030@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 00:10:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2004-03-14 - 2004-04-03 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 08:10:10 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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These are the articles posted during this period: 1-Apr : Building a new box from scratch I need a new high end box http://freebsddiary.org/antec.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 5 01:10:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982FF16A4CE for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 01:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jive.SoftHome.net (jive.SoftHome.net [66.54.152.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2712643D3F for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 01:10:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from teilhk@softhome.net) Received: (qmail 30574 invoked by uid 417); 5 Apr 2004 08:10:39 -0000 Received: from charleston-.softhome.net (HELO softhome.net) (172.16.2.12) by shunt-smtp-out-0 with SMTP; 5 Apr 2004 08:10:39 -0000 Received: from ARLETTE ([201.129.245.183]) (AUTH: LOGIN teilhk@softhome.net) by softhome.net with esmtp; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 02:10:39 -0600 Message-ID: <021501c41ae5$79fad090$210110ac@ARLETTE> From: "Teilhard Knight" To: "FreeBSD_Newbies" Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 02:10:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: About KDE (X-Windows, in fact) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 08:10:40 -0000 I posted about my problem in the questions group, but I only got replies from one person, and although helpful, it didn't solve my problem. It's about my Leadtek WinFast GeForce3 graphics card with NVIDIA chipset. It was working all right (for simple tasks, I didn't try games or something complicated) with the driver "nv". I decided to install the NVIDIA driver for FreeBSD, and now I am getting the error message: "NVIDIA: Chipset "GeForce3 in Device section card0 isn't valid for this driver." I cannot revert the driver to "nv" in XF86Config in /etc/X11, because it doesn't work anymore. If someone told me how to get the new driver (nvidia) working, would be great. Thanks. Teilhard. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 5 02:07:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164A116A4CE for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 02:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 194-185-53-242.f5.ngi.it (194-185-53-242.f5.ngi.it [194.185.53.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC3E43D2D for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 02:07:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@remotelab.org) Received: from einstein.lab (einstein.lab [192.168.168.2]) i3597okt005809; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:07:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mark@remotelab.org) Received: from einstein.lab (localhost.lab [127.0.0.1]) by einstein.lab (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3597gmQ000937; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:07:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mark@einstein.lab) Received: (from mark@localhost) by einstein.lab (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3597fMf000936; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:07:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:07:41 +0200 From: Marco Trentini To: Teilhard Knight Message-ID: <20040405090741.GA639@einstein.lab> References: <021501c41ae5$79fad090$210110ac@ARLETTE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <021501c41ae5$79fad090$210110ac@ARLETTE> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: FreeBSD_Newbies Subject: Re: About KDE (X-Windows, in fact) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 09:07:53 -0000 On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 02:10:35AM -0600, Teilhard Knight wrote: > I posted about my problem in the questions group, but I only got replies > from one person, and although helpful, it didn't solve my problem. > > It's about my Leadtek WinFast GeForce3 graphics card with NVIDIA chipset. It > was working all right (for simple tasks, I didn't try games or something > complicated) with the driver "nv". I decided to install the NVIDIA driver > for FreeBSD, and now I am getting the error message: "NVIDIA: Chipset > "GeForce3 in Device section card0 isn't valid for this driver." I cannot Try removing (if there is it) the line Chipset in your device section (XF86Config). Read also these documents: /usr/X11R6/share/doc/NVIDIA/README /usr/X11R6/share/doc/NVIDIA/README.Linux /usr/X11R6/share/doc/NVIDIA/XF86Config.sample And check /var/log/XFree86.0.log P.S. This is not a tecnical list ... the right place for your question should be freebsd-x11@freebsd.org -- Marco Trentini mark@remotelab.org http://www.remotelab.org/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 5 08:37:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E978516A4CF for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 08:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay7-dav25.bay7.hotmail.com [64.4.10.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8FD143D2F for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 08:37:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pv_nair@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 08:37:39 -0700 Received: from 65.248.18.2 by bay7-dav25.bay7.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:37:39 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.248.18.2] X-Originating-Email: [pv_nair@hotmail.com] X-Sender: pv_nair@hotmail.com From: "P.V." To: Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:37:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2004 15:37:39.0803 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDA4EAB0:01C41B23] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Analog Devices integrated audio card problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:37:40 -0000 I have a Dell PowerEdge 400SC and am running 5.1. I am unable to get the = the integrated audio card to work. I have added "device pcm" to my = kernconf and "snd_ich_load=3D"YES" and "snd_driver_load=3D"YES" to = loader.conf. I still have no audio. Here is what dmesg says: pci0: at device 31.3 (no driver attached) pci0: at device 31.5 (no driver attached) This is what pciconf -lv says: none2@pci0:31:5: class=3D0x040100 card=3D0x01621028 = chip=3D0x24d58086 rev=3D0x02=20 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'Intel Corporation' class =3D multimedia subclass =3D audio This is what kldstat says: Id Refs Address Size Name 1 15 0xc0100000 587d2c kernel 2 5 0xc0688000 1d320 snd_pcm.ko 3 1 0xc06a6000 45e8 snd_ich.ko 4 1 0xc06ab000 4dfc snd_sb8.ko 5 3 0xc06b0000 4bb8 snd_sbc.ko 6 1 0xc06b5000 516c snd_sb16.ko 7 1 0xc06bb000 4a30c acpi.ko 8 2 0xc2882000 18000 linux.ko 9 1 0xc24fd000 5000 linprocfs.ko Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, PV From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 5 10:35:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E226316A4CF for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1225843D3F for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:35:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk) Message-ID: <20040405173501.95463.qmail@web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.60.1.194] by web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:35:01 BST Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:35:01 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-277102999-1081186501=:94010" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: how to access external hard disk via FireWire X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:35:04 -0000 --0-277102999-1081186501=:94010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Id: Content-Disposition: inline hi all, I have an external hard disk I want to access via firewire. I have a Lucent chipset based PCI firewire card. Using FreeBSD 5.2.1 (x86). I do not have dmesg output at the moment, but I can see messages like firewire0:... How can I verify where a device entry (under /dev) has been created? How do I mount the device? Sorry if this is a newbie Q, but I have not found documentation for this. How can I do this under USB? man camcontrol says, "...newbies should stay away from this..." Thanks in advance.. Tk. ===== output of kernel config file ===== (should be attached). ===== -- K E S H A V T A D I M E T I -- ___________________________________________________________ WIN FREE WORLDWIDE FLIGHTS - nominate a cafe in the Yahoo! Mail Internet Cafe Awards www.yahoo.co.uk/internetcafes --0-277102999-1081186501=:94010 Content-Type: text/plain; name=CUSTOM Content-Description: CUSTOM Content-Disposition: inline; filename=CUSTOM # # GENERIC -- Generic kernel configuration file for FreeBSD/i386 # # For more information on this file, please read the handbook section on # Kernel Configuration Files: # # http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-config.html # # The handbook is also available locally in /usr/share/doc/handbook # if you've installed the doc distribution, otherwise always see the # FreeBSD World Wide Web server (http://www.FreeBSD.org/) for the # latest information. # # An exhaustive list of options and more detailed explanations of the # device lines is also present in the ../../conf/NOTES and NOTES files. # If you are in doubt as to the purpose or necessity of a line, check first # in NOTES. # # $FreeBSD: src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC,v 1.384.2.2 2003/05/31 15:18:41 scottl Exp $ machine i386 #cpu I486_CPU # - not 486:TK cpu I586_CPU #cpu I686_CPU # - not P!!! or P4:TK ident CUSTOM #To statically compile in device wiring instead of /boot/device.hints #hints "GENERIC.hints" #Default places to look for devices. #makeoptions DEBUG=-g #Build kernel with gdb(1) debug symbols options SCHED_4BSD #4BSD scheduler options INET #InterNETworking options INET6 #IPv6 communications protocols options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options SOFTUPDATES #Enable FFS soft updates support options UFS_ACL #Support for access control lists options UFS_DIRHASH #Improve performance on big directories options MD_ROOT #MD is a potential root device options NFSCLIENT #Network Filesystem Client #options NFSSERVER #Network Filesystem Server: TK, no need options NFS_ROOT #NFS usable as root device, requires NFSCLIENT options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options CD9660 #ISO 9660 Filesystem options PROCFS #Process filesystem (requires PSEUDOFS) options PSEUDOFS #Pseudo-filesystem framework options COMPAT_43 #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options COMPAT_FREEBSD4 #Compatible with FreeBSD4 #options SCSI_DELAY=15000 #Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI: TK, no SCSI here options KTRACE #ktrace(1) support options SYSVSHM #SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG #SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM #SYSV-style semaphores options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING #Posix P1003_1B real-time extensions options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev options AHC_REG_PRETTY_PRINT # Print register bitfields in debug # output. Adds ~128k to driver. options AHD_REG_PRETTY_PRINT # Print register bitfields in debug # output. Adds ~215k to driver. # Debugging for use in -current # options DDB #Enable the kernel debugger options INVARIANTS #Enable calls of extra sanity checking: TK removed comment options INVARIANT_SUPPORT #Extra sanity checks of internal structures, required by INVARIANTS options WITNESS #Enable checks to detect deadlocks and cycles: TK removed # # options WITNESS_SKIPSPIN #Don't run witness on spinlocks for speed # To make an SMP kernel, the next two are needed #options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel #options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O device isa device eisa device pci device pcm #TK: for sound blaster pro 16. # Floppy drives device fdc # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives #device atapist # ATAPI tape drives: TK no Tapes options ATA_STATIC_ID #Static device numbering # SCSI Controllers: complete SCSI commented out #device ahb # EISA AHA1742 family #device ahc # AHA2940 and onboard AIC7xxx devices #device ahd # AHA39320/29320 and onboard AIC79xx devices #device amd # AMD 53C974 (Tekram DC-390(T)) #device isp # Qlogic family #device mpt # LSI-Logic MPT-Fusion #device ncr # NCR/Symbios Logic #device sym # NCR/Symbios Logic (newer chipsets + those of `ncr') #device trm # Tekram DC395U/UW/F DC315U adapters #device adv # Advansys SCSI adapters #device adw # Advansys wide SCSI adapters #device aha # Adaptec 154x SCSI adapters #device aic # Adaptec 15[012]x SCSI adapters, AIC-6[23]60. #device bt # Buslogic/Mylex MultiMaster SCSI adapters #device ncv # NCR 53C500 #device nsp # Workbit Ninja SCSI-3 #device stg # TMC 18C30/18C50 # RAID controllers interfaced to the SCSI subsystem: TK no need #device asr # DPT SmartRAID V, VI and Adaptec SCSI RAID #device ciss # Compaq Smart RAID 5* #device dpt # DPT Smartcache III, IV - See NOTES for options! #device iir # Intel Integrated RAID #device mly # Mylex AcceleRAID/eXtremeRAID # SCSI peripherals #device scbus # SCSI bus (required) #device ch # SCSI media changers #device da # Direct Access (disks) #device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) #device cd # CD #device pass # Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) #device ses # SCSI Environmental Services (and SAF-TE) # RAID controllers #device aac # Adaptec FSA RAID #device aacp # SCSI passthrough for aac (requires CAM) #device amr # AMI MegaRAID #device ida # Compaq Smart RAID #device ips # IBM (Adaptec) ServeRAID #device mlx # Mylex DAC960 family #device pst # Promise Supertrak SX6000 #device twe # 3ware ATA RAID # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc # AT keyboard controller device atkbd # AT keyboard device psm # PS/2 mouse device vga # VGA video card driver device splash # Splash screen and screen saver support # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc # Enable this for the pcvt (VT220 compatible) console driver #device vt #options XSERVER # support for X server on a vt console #options FAT_CURSOR # start with block cursor device agp # support several AGP chipsets # Floating point support - do not disable. device npx # Power management support (see NOTES for more options) #device apm # Add suspend/resume support for the i8254. device pmtimer # PCCARD (PCMCIA) support # Pcmcia and cardbus bridge support #device cbb # cardbus (yenta) bridge: TK, not a laptop #device pcic # ExCA ISA and PCI bridges #device pccard # PC Card (16-bit) bus: TK, not a laptop #device cardbus # CardBus (32-bit) bus: TK: not a laptop # Serial (COM) ports device sio # 8250, 16[45]50 based serial ports # Parallel port device ppc device ppbus # Parallel port bus (required) #device lpt # Printer: TK, no printer device plip # TCP/IP over parallel device ppi # Parallel port interface device #device vpo # Requires scbus and da # PCI Ethernet NICs. #device de # DEC/Intel DC21x4x (``Tulip''): TK, not present device em # Intel PRO/1000 adapter Gigabit Ethernet Card #device txp # 3Com 3cR990 (``Typhoon''): TK , not present #device vx # 3Com 3c590, 3c595 (``Vortex''): TK, not present # PCI Ethernet NICs that use the common MII bus controller code. TK: those commented are not here # NOTE: Be sure to keep the 'device miibus' line in order to use these NICs! device miibus # MII bus support #device dc # DEC/Intel 21143 and various workalikes device fxp # Intel EtherExpress PRO/100B (82557, 82558) #device pcn # AMD Am79C97x PCI 10/100 (precedence over 'lnc') #device rl # RealTek 8129/8139 #device sf # Adaptec AIC-6915 (``Starfire'') #device sis # Silicon Integrated Systems SiS 900/SiS 7016 #device sk # SysKonnect SK-984x and SK-982x gigabit ethernet #device ste # Sundance ST201 (D-Link DFE-550TX) #device ti # Alteon Networks Tigon I/II gigabit ethernet #device tl # Texas Instruments ThunderLAN #device tx # SMC EtherPower II (83c170 ``EPIC'') #device vr # VIA Rhine, Rhine II #device wb # Winbond W89C840F #device xl # 3Com 3c90x (``Boomerang'', ``Cyclone'') #device bge # Broadcom BCM570xx Gigabit Ethernet # ISA Ethernet NICs. pccard nics included. TK: those commented are not present device cs # Crystal Semiconductor CS89x0 NIC # 'device ed' requires 'device miibus' #device ed # NE[12]000, SMC Ultra, 3c503, DS8390 cards device ex # Intel EtherExpress Pro/10 and Pro/10+ #device ep # Etherlink III based cards #device fe # Fujitsu MB8696x based cards #device ie # EtherExpress 8/16, 3C507, StarLAN 10 etc. #device lnc # NE2100, NE32-VL Lance Ethernet cards #device sn # SMC's 9000 series of ethernet chips #device xe # Xircom pccard ethernet # ISA devices that use the old ISA shims #device le # Wireless NIC cards: TK, none so all commented #device wlan # 802.11 support #device an # Aironet 4500/4800 802.11 wireless NICs. #device awi # BayStack 660 and others #device wi # WaveLAN/Intersil/Symbol 802.11 wireless NICs. #device wl # Older non 802.11 Wavelan wireless NIC. # Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocate. device random # Entropy device device loop # Network loopback device ether # Ethernet support device sl # Kernel SLIP device ppp # Kernel PPP device tun # Packet tunnel. device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) device md # Memory "disks" device gif # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling device faith # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation) # The `bpf' device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! device bpf # Berkeley packet filter # USB support device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface device usb # USB Bus (required) #device udbp # USB Double Bulk Pipe devices device ugen # Generic device uhid # "Human Interface Devices" device ukbd # Keyboard device ulpt # Printer device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da device ums # Mouse #device urio # Diamond Rio 500 MP3 player: TK, don't have one #device uscanner # Scanners: TK, do not have # USB Ethernet, requires mii: TK, no USB ethernet cards #device aue # ADMtek USB ethernet #device axe # ASIX Electronics USB ethernet #device cue # CATC USB ethernet #device kue # Kawasaki LSI USB ethernet # FireWire support device firewire # FireWire bus code #device sbp # SCSI over FireWire (Requires scbus and da): TK, not needed. #device fwe # Ethernet over FireWire (non-standard!): TK, not needed. --0-277102999-1081186501=:94010-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 5 14:05:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EAE216A4CE for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 14:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.prodigy.net.mx (nlpproxy07.prodigy.net.mx [148.235.52.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB10C43D48 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 14:05:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from teilhk@prodigy.net.mx) Received: from ARLETTE (dsl-201-129-245-183.prod-infinitum.com.mx [201.129.245.183]) by smtp.prodigy.net.mx (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with SMTP id <0HVP004AWUJZVN@smtp.prodigy.net.mx>; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 16:04:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:05:12 -0600 From: Teilhard Knight To: FreeBSD_Newbies Message-id: <025e01c41b51$afe8b160$210110ac@ARLETTE> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: Re:about KDE (X windows, in fact) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:05:17 -0000 On the Nvidea site you can get the newest drivers for FreeBSD(yes they even have freebsd drivers) and they come with a good instruction. Yes, I downloaded the drivers from NVIDIA for FreeBSD. I was having problems with them. Hope this help, I got my GF Ti4600 working with those drivers. I didn't bother with the drivers in the ports The drivers are not in the ports, save for the "nv" driver. But, in any case, I do not have access to Internet, so, I couldn't use the ports. Thank you for your reply. Teilhard. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 5 17:45:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A524B16A4CE for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:45:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F071543D1F for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:45:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]:3245) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.31) id 1BAegs-0003nY-4v; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:43:46 -0700 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:28:10 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-159.acuson.com ([157.226.46.159]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id HX2WVF3D; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:26:54 -0700 From: Johnson David To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:35:50 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <025e01c41b51$afe8b160$210110ac@ARLETTE> In-Reply-To: <025e01c41b51$afe8b160$210110ac@ARLETTE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200404051535.50307.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> cc: Teilhard Knight Subject: Re: about KDE (X windows, in fact) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 00:45:03 -0000 On Monday 05 April 2004 02:05 pm, Teilhard Knight wrote: > The drivers are not in the ports, save for the "nv" driver. But, in > any case, I do not have access to Internet, so, I couldn't use the > ports. Use the ports, luke! /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver This installs the same driver that available at NVidia (NVIDIA-FreeBSD-x86-1.0-4365.tar.gz), with the addition of patches that make it work better. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 5 22:58:00 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD4B16A4CE for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 22:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soulshock.mail.pas.earthlink.net (soulshock.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1247143D45 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 22:56:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120])i365hdZ13272 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 22:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dsc06-chc-il-209-109-233-205.rasserver.net ([209.109.233.205] helo=nbritton.org) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BAjMg-0002Jm-00; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:43:15 -0700 Message-ID: <4072436B.7070504@nbritton.org> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 00:43:07 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "P.V." References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Analog Devices integrated audio card problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 05:58:01 -0000 P.V. wrote: >I have a Dell PowerEdge 400SC and am running 5.1. I am unable to get the the integrated audio card to work. I have added "device pcm" to my kernconf and "snd_ich_load="YES" and "snd_driver_load="YES" to loader.conf. I still have no audio. > > >Here is what dmesg says: > > >pci0: at device 31.3 (no driver attached) >pci0: at device 31.5 (no driver attached) > > > >This is what pciconf -lv says: > >none2@pci0:31:5: class=0x040100 card=0x01621028 chip=0x24d58086 rev=0x02 >hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > class = multimedia > subclass = audio > > >This is what kldstat says: > >Id Refs Address Size Name > 1 15 0xc0100000 587d2c kernel > 2 5 0xc0688000 1d320 snd_pcm.ko > 3 1 0xc06a6000 45e8 snd_ich.ko > 4 1 0xc06ab000 4dfc snd_sb8.ko > 5 3 0xc06b0000 4bb8 snd_sbc.ko > 6 1 0xc06b5000 516c snd_sb16.ko > 7 1 0xc06bb000 4a30c acpi.ko > 8 2 0xc2882000 18000 linux.ko > 9 1 0xc24fd000 5000 linprocfs.ko > > > > >Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > >Thanks, >PV > > "Dell PowerEdge 400SC" I presume that you are using this computer as a server.... Why on earth do you need sound on a server? that is just one more thing that can fail. Anyways here's a few pointers: Intel(R) Desktop Board with a ADI1985 AC’97 audio CODEC. http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/soundmax.htm http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/bz/ http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/sound-setup.html http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.2.1R/hardware.html http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=pcm&sektion=4 ftp://download.intel.com/design/motherbd/bz/intel_ac97_alsa_audio.pdf ftp://download.intel.com/design/motherbd/linux/RedHat9_info.pdf http://www.dougs.org/doug/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=43 http://www.aaltonen.us/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8 http://weblogs.asp.net/gad/archive/2003/11/16/37823.aspx freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org freebsd-questions@freebsd.org I get the feeling this chip is not supported by freebsd. BTW tech questions like this should be asked on freebsd-questions@freebsd.org not here. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 5 07:13:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9344C16A4CE for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 07:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msiim.marsys.com (mail.marsys.com [64.56.208.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D11343D60 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 07:13:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dspence@marsys.com) Received: from MSIMAILFL.marsys.com ([64.56.209.7]) by msiim.marsys.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 5 Apr 2004 07:13:35 -0700 content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2004 19:49:25.0056 (UTC)FILETIME=[99D65C00:01C418EB] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on hulk.corp X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.7 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:13:34 -0400 Message-ID: <5F8E195A1BED3545B98B08BEFA24DE37309B22@msimailfl.marsys.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: DOS and FreeBSD 3.51, Boot Loader Configuration Thread-Index: AcQY65kS/qQvvNXKSiasQlTYwCvbyw== From: "Dwight Spence" To: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 04:50:59 -0700 Subject: DOS and FreeBSD 3.51, Boot Loader Configuration X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:13:35 -0000 I have just copy my files from a bootable FreeBSD3.5 CD to a dos = partition. Which bootloader should I choose to make sure my system = boots to FreeBSD? =20 DS _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 5 07:13:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0422416A4CE for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 07:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msiim.marsys.com (mail.marsys.com [64.56.208.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E206A43D5E for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 07:13:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dspence@marsys.com) Received: from MSIMAILFL.marsys.com ([64.56.209.7]) by msiim.marsys.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 5 Apr 2004 07:13:51 -0700 content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2004 19:49:25.0056 (UTC)FILETIME=[99D65C00:01C418EB] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on hulk.corp X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.7 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:13:48 -0400 Message-ID: <5F8E195A1BED3545B98B08BEFA24DE37309B23@msimailfl.marsys.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: DOS and FreeBSD 3.51, Boot Loader Configuration Thread-Index: AcQY65kS/qQvvNXKSiasQlTYwCvbyw== From: "Dwight Spence" To: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 04:50:59 -0700 Subject: DOS and FreeBSD 3.51, Boot Loader Configuration X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:13:52 -0000 I have just copy my files from a bootable FreeBSD3.5 CD to a dos = partition. Which bootloader should I choose to make sure my system = boots to FreeBSD? =20 DS _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 6 06:02:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD6E416A4CE for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 06:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us2.doubleukay.com (us2.doubleukay.com [64.191.79.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7457543D5E for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 06:02:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@paultan.org) Received: from [202.157.189.107] (helo=rhumba.hulksolutions.com) by us2.doubleukay.com with smtp (Exim 4.31; FreeBSD) id 1BAqDz-0004sp-IN for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:02:46 -0400 Received: (qmail 16425 invoked by uid 1532); 6 Apr 2004 13:02:30 -0000 Received: from paul@paultan.org by rhumba.mobilehulk.com by uid 503 with qmail-scanner-1.21 Clear:RC:0(219.95.153.74):SA:0(1.1/5.0):. 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Processed in 0.076645 secs); 06 Apr 2004 13:01:24 -0000 Received: from slacker.paultan.org (HELO paultan.org) (192.168.0.3) by avril.paultan.org with SMTP; 6 Apr 2004 13:01:23 -0000 Message-ID: <4072AB58.5030404@paultan.org> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:06:32 +0800 From: Paul Tan User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <20040401.175743.-96593.0.myronsuziew@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20040401.175743.-96593.0.myronsuziew@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-WK-Spam-Score: -4.9 X-WK-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-4.9 Subject: Re: raw newbie X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:02:56 -0000 The FreeBSD Handbook is excellent! http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html Maybe you want to print it out or something :) myronsuziew@juno.com wrote: > Thanks for all the different sources of info to > choose from. I need a FreeBSD book to take with > me so I can go to a quiet place to digest this information. > Two little kids do make it harder to learn things. > Thanks. > > Myron > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Regards, Paul Tan | paul@paultan.org | http://paultan.org/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 6 07:59:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559EE16A4CE for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 07:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pike.mail.pike.ru (pike.mail.pike.ru [194.135.18.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D91F43D5A for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 07:59:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DerAlSem@inbox.ru) Received: (qmail 17257 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2004 14:06:03 -0000 Received: from deralsem.pikenet.ru (HELO DERALDO) (194.135.17.85) by pike.mail.pike.ru with SMTP; 5 Apr 2004 14:06:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:59:44 +0400 From: DerAlSem X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.05 Beta/1) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <328890233.20040405175944@inbox.ru> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: X-windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: DerAlSem List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 14:59:51 -0000 Hello freebsd-newbies, Just wonder, what the minimum requirements for X? Can i run it on Pentium 200 MMX, 128 RAM, 4 MB video (shared)? Or i shouldn't try? -- Best regards, DerAlSem mailto:DerAlSem@inbox.ru From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 6 10:37:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC4C16A4CE for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB8243D54 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:37:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]:2203) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.31) id 1BAuTn-00009r-4G; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:35:19 -0700 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:21:52 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-159.acuson.com ([157.226.46.159]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id HX2WV8Z2; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:20:32 -0700 From: Johnson David To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, DerAlSem Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:29:28 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <328890233.20040405175944@inbox.ru> In-Reply-To: <328890233.20040405175944@inbox.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200404061029.28714.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Subject: Re: X-windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:37:15 -0000 On Monday 05 April 2004 06:59 am, DerAlSem wrote: > Hello freebsd-newbies, > > Just wonder, what the minimum requirements for X? Can i run it on > Pentium 200 MMX, 128 RAM, 4 MB video (shared)? Or i shouldn't try? I don't know what the minimum requirements are, but I'm running it on a 100MHz, 86 RAM laptop with 4Mb shared video memory. Actually, your 128Mb RAM is plenty. The only problem you might have is that your video memory is going to limit your resolution and color depth. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 6 10:44:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FC316A4CE for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EF1D543D45 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:44:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk) Message-ID: <20040406174339.16813.qmail@web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.60.1.194] by web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 18:43:39 BST Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:43:39 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200404061029.28714.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: X-windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:44:37 -0000 I got it running on P200MMX,64MB, 2MB with a resolution of 1024/760. Don't use GNOME/KDE though. I used fluxbox. Choose something like 16 bpp. --- Johnson David wrote: > On Monday 05 April 2004 06:59 am, DerAlSem wrote: > > Hello freebsd-newbies, > > > > Just wonder, what the minimum requirements for > X? Can i run it on > > Pentium 200 MMX, 128 RAM, 4 MB video (shared)? > Or i shouldn't try? > > I don't know what the minimum requirements are, but > I'm running it on a > 100MHz, 86 RAM laptop with 4Mb shared video memory. > > Actually, your 128Mb RAM is plenty. The only problem > you might have is > that your video memory is going to limit your > resolution and color > depth. > > David > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ===== -- K E S H A V T A D I M E T I -- ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 6 11:13:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1106D16A4CE for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 11:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soulshock.mail.pas.earthlink.net (soulshock.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8794743D31 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 11:13:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120])i36I48Z23761 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 11:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dsc01-chc-il-209-109-241-161.rasserver.net ([209.109.241.161] helo=nbritton.org) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BAuu3-0003Nb-00; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 11:02:28 -0700 Message-ID: <4072F0AD.7070001@nbritton.org> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:02:21 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Tan References: <20040401.175743.-96593.0.myronsuziew@juno.com> <4072AB58.5030404@paultan.org> In-Reply-To: <4072AB58.5030404@paultan.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: raw newbie X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 18:13:49 -0000 Paul Tan wrote: > The FreeBSD Handbook is excellent! > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html > > Maybe you want to print it out or something :) The FreeBSD Handbook is available in dead tree format: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1571763031/ Also good are: Absolute BSD: The Ultimate Guide to FreeBSD by Michael Lucas http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1886411743/ The Complete FreeBSD, Fourth Edition by Greg Lehey http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0596005164/ For a more complete list of BSD books see here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/3781/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 6 23:28:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A03516A4CE for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aftermath.mail.pas.earthlink.net (aftermath.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B286543D39 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:28:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.120]) by aftermath.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1BAvC1-0004qq-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 11:21:01 -0700 Received: from dsc01-chc-il-209-109-241-161.rasserver.net ([209.109.241.161] helo=nbritton.org) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BAvBX-0007YF-00; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 11:20:31 -0700 Message-ID: <4072F4ED.6020208@nbritton.org> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:20:29 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DerAlSem References: <328890233.20040405175944@inbox.ru> In-Reply-To: <328890233.20040405175944@inbox.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X-windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 06:28:11 -0000 DerAlSem wrote: >Hello freebsd-newbies, > > Just wonder, what the minimum requirements for X? Can i run it on > Pentium 200 MMX, 128 RAM, 4 MB video (shared)? Or i shouldn't try? > > > The way I here it is that X can run on nicely on a i386/i486 with as little as 4mb system ram (a stock FreeBSD 5.2.1 system wont boot with anything less then i486/16MB, I could be wrong on this btw) and that it is the Window manager, programs, etc that eat up all the resources. I have X with xfce4 running nicely on a PPro 233, 150MB ram, 8MB ATI card: http://www.xfce.org/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 7 05:02:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C2516A4CE for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 05:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hawat.cc.ubbcluj.ro (Hawat.CC.UBBCluj.Ro [193.226.40.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79D843D39 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 05:02:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from taipan@hawat.cc.ubbcluj.ro) Received: from hawat.cc.ubbcluj.ro (hawat [127.0.0.1]) by hawat.cc.ubbcluj.ro (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i37C4pMY089050 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 15:04:51 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from taipan@hawat.cc.ubbcluj.ro) Received: from localhost (taipan@localhost)i37C4n0j089047 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 15:04:51 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from taipan@hawat.cc.ubbcluj.ro) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 15:04:49 +0300 (EEST) From: Radu MOLNAR To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040407145129.J89029@hawat.cc.ubbcluj.ro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: newbie questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 12:02:49 -0000 Just some stupid newbie questions: 1) I have an alias made in my .profile alias vi='/usr/local/bin/vim' but the alias is not made when i log in X. If a log in console or using ssh from a remote host the alias is made but when i log in x it is not. Anybody know why? As shell i use bash. 2)In /etc/syslogd.conf i have comented the line #*.err;kern.debug;auth.notice;mail.crit /dev/console so that i wouldn't get any logs on my first console. But there are some logs that get printed on the first console. They're printed in bright white :) and they appear for example when someone tries to scan for opened ports on my computer. My question is who makes these logs? From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 7 13:33:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2FC16A4CE for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jive.SoftHome.net (jive.SoftHome.net [66.54.152.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 90F9143D41 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:33:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from larrykh465@SoftHome.net) Received: (qmail 29774 invoked by uid 417); 7 Apr 2004 20:31:13 -0000 Received: from shunt-smtp-out-0 (HELO softhome.net) (172.16.3.12) by shunt-smtp-out-0 with SMTP; 7 Apr 2004 20:31:13 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([65.101.154.196]) (AUTH: LOGIN larrykh465@softhome.net) by softhome.net with esmtp; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 14:31:12 -0600 From: Larry Hammer To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:28:34 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200404071328.34954.larrykh465@SoftHome.net> Subject: re: X-windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:33:24 -0000 >Hello freebsd-newbies, > > Just wonder, what the minimum requirements for X? Can i run it on > Pentium 200 MMX, 128 RAM, 4 MB video (shared)? Or i shouldn't try? > >--=20 >Best regards, >=A0DerAlSem =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0mailto:DerA= lSem@inbox.ru I ran x w/kde3.14 using a 4mg S3 virge with no problems at all and no color= =20 limitations at 1024x768 128 meg ram is doing fine too will do well good day Larry From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 7 14:23:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA29716A4CE for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 00EBC43D4C for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:23:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk) Message-ID: <20040407212156.31712.qmail@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.60.1.195] by web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:21:56 BST Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:21:56 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: unable to use BOOT EASY to boot linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 21:23:51 -0000 hi all. I added a 2 GB linux disk as a slave and installed Mandrake Linux with LILO on the root partition of linux. I am trying configure Boot Easy to boot linux. Since FreeBSD occupies all of the 1st HD, should I install a STANDARD boot loader on first or on both Hard disks. thx ===== -- K E S H A V T A D I M E T I -- ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 7 14:41:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D97016A4CE; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prserv.net (asmtp2.prserv.net [32.97.166.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC56943D46; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:41:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yann.luppo@attglobal.net) Received: from razorwork (130.wf21.bltm.wswdc01r18.dsl.att.net[12.103.21.130]) by prserv.net (asmtp2) with SMTP id <2004040721401925202hfid4e> (Authid: yann.luppo@attglobal.net); Wed, 7 Apr 2004 21:40:20 +0000 Message-ID: <041b01c41cb6$b173d300$8215670c@razorwork> From: "RazorOnFreeBSD" To: "Tadimeti Keshav" , , References: <20040407212156.31712.qmail@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:40:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: Re: unable to use BOOT EASY to boot linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 21:41:32 -0000 I had this issue between linux and windows and I had to install Lilo on the first disk only because bios is giving the hand to the first disk and from there you can setup your boot loader to recognize all systems available and where they are. I am not a specialist there, I just tell you what worked for me and what was the explanation given to me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tadimeti Keshav" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 11:21 PM Subject: unable to use BOOT EASY to boot linux > hi all. > I added a 2 GB linux disk as a slave and installed > Mandrake Linux with LILO on the root partition of > linux. > > I am trying configure Boot Easy to boot linux. > Since FreeBSD occupies all of the 1st HD, should I > install a STANDARD boot loader on first or on both > Hard disks. > > thx > > ===== > -- K E S H A V T A D I M E T I -- > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 7 14:57:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8C816A4CF; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clunix.cl.msu.edu (clunix.cl.msu.edu [35.9.2.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4940143D1F; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:57:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@clunix.cl.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by clunix.cl.msu.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id i37LuSk07129; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:56:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Jerry McAllister Message-Id: <200404072156.i37LuSk07129@clunix.cl.msu.edu> To: yann.luppo@attglobal.net (RazorOnFreeBSD) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:56:27 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <041b01c41cb6$b173d300$8215670c@razorwork> from "RazorOnFreeBSD" at Apr 07, 2004 05:40:31 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: Tadimeti Keshav cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: unable to use BOOT EASY to boot linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 21:57:16 -0000 > > I had this issue between linux and windows and I had to install Lilo on the > first disk only because bios is giving the hand to the first disk and from > there you can setup your boot loader to recognize all systems available and > where they are. > > I am not a specialist there, I just tell you what worked for me and what was > the explanation given to me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tadimeti Keshav" > To: ; > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 11:21 PM > Subject: unable to use BOOT EASY to boot linux > > > > hi all. > > I added a 2 GB linux disk as a slave and installed > > Mandrake Linux with LILO on the root partition of > > linux. > > > > I am trying configure Boot Easy to boot linux. > > Since FreeBSD occupies all of the 1st HD, should I > > install a STANDARD boot loader on first or on both > > Hard disks. If I understand what you are asking - FreeBSD on disk0 and Linux on disk1, then you need to install an MBR and a standard book sector on disk 0. ////jerry > > > > thx > > > > ===== > > -- K E S H A V T A D I M E T I -- > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 7 15:30:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 801E216A4CE; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 15:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6532443D41; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 15:30:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]:4630) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BBLXG-0000kK-62; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 15:28:42 -0700 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 15:18:54 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-159.acuson.com ([157.226.46.159]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id HX2WXGNK; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 15:17:32 -0700 From: Johnson David To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 15:26:30 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <200404072156.i37LuSk07129@clunix.cl.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <200404072156.i37LuSk07129@clunix.cl.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200404071526.30023.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Jerry McAllister cc: Tadimeti Keshav cc: yann.luppo@attglobal.net Subject: Re: unable to use BOOT EASY to boot linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:30:05 -0000 On Wednesday 07 April 2004 02:56 pm, Jerry McAllister wrote: > If I understand what you are asking - FreeBSD on disk0 and Linux > on disk1, then you need to install an MBR and a standard book > sector on disk 0. But the "standard" boot sector will not boot to disk 1. Quoting from the Handbook: "If you only have one operating system installed on your disks then the standard MBR will suffice. This MBR searches for the first bootable slice on the disk, and then runs the code on that slice to load the remainder of the operating system. If you have installed multiple operating systems on your disks then you can install a different MBR, one that can display a list of different operating systems, and allows you to choose the one to boot from. FreeBSD comes with one such MBR which can be installed, and other operating system vendors also provide alternative MBRs." What's confusing about the process is that there doesn't seem to be a common name for the "FreeBSD MBR". In sysinstall it is called "BootMgr". In the booting section of the handbook and a few man pages it is called "boot0". It's also commonly referred to as "Boot Easy". David Johnson From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 7 17:05:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7AC16A4D6; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C375E43D2D; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:05:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from underway@comcast.net) Received: from localhost.localdomain (c-24-17-47-224.client.comcast.net[24.17.47.224]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2004040800053401300t2i8oe>; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 00:05:35 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i3805mZ2010405; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:05:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from underway@comcast.net) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i3805h2r010404; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:05:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from underway@comcast.net) To: Tadimeti Keshav References: <20040407212156.31712.qmail@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> From: underway@comcast.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 17:05:42 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20040407212156.31712.qmail@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> (Tadimeti Keshav's message of "Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:21:56 +0100 (BST)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) XEmacs/21.4 (Reasonable Discussion, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: unable to use BOOT EASY to boot linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 00:05:37 -0000 Tadimeti Keshav writes: > hi all. > I added a 2 GB linux disk as a slave and installed > Mandrake Linux with LILO on the root partition of > linux. > > I am trying configure Boot Easy to boot linux. > Since FreeBSD occupies all of the 1st HD, should I > install a STANDARD boot loader on first or on both > Hard disks. I'm not exactly sure what "Boot Easy" is, but the standard FreeBSD MBR (as installed by boot0cfg or sysinstall) can only boot another boot record and only those on that disk's primary partitions or the MBR of another disk. If you're going to have BootEasy on the first disk, you probably want LILO in the second disk's MBR, but you could put a second BootEasy (or other boot loader) in the second disk's MBR and put LILO in one of the second disk's primary partitions. LILO works (or used to) even on an extended primary partition which has extended secondary (AKA logical) partitions. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 9 12:52:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF62116A4CE for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 12:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apollor.afrc.af.mil (apollo.afrc.af.mil [129.54.8.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD9343D53 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 12:52:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Micheal.Peters@niagarafalls.af.mil) Received: from fsrvkq02.reserves.afrc.ds.af.mil (fsrvkq02.niagarafalls.af.mil [129.54.213.30]) by apollor.afrc.af.mil with ESMTP id i39JqXhS017763 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fsrvkq02.reserves.afrc.ds.af.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <2THGXF7B>; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:52:33 -0400 Message-ID: <527FE8CB31844C41AB3334125CE75E2B02D599A8@fsrvkq02.reserves.afrc.ds.af.mil> From: Peters Micheal A Contr GSI/SCBN To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:52:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: This list. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 19:52:35 -0000 Does this list get used at all? Am I the only Newbie to BSD? From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 9 13:01:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D824E16A4D0 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9055343D48 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:01:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:02:00 -0500 Message-ID: <4077010B.20904@daleco.biz> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 15:01:15 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040406 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peters Micheal A Contr GSI/SCBN References: <527FE8CB31844C41AB3334125CE75E2B02D599A8@fsrvkq02.reserves.afrc.ds.af.mil> In-Reply-To: <527FE8CB31844C41AB3334125CE75E2B02D599A8@fsrvkq02.reserves.afrc.ds.af.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2004 20:02:00.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[8506F230:01C41E6D] cc: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: This list. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 20:01:18 -0000 Peters Micheal A Contr GSI/SCBN wrote: >Does this list get used at all? Am I the only Newbie to BSD? >_______________________________________________ > > a] Yes. b] LOL, I doubt it. But welcome anyhow!! ;-) I show 14 messages (including yours) since April 1st. It's certainly not high traffic, like freebsd-questions, but there's a post once in a while. The waters are made somewhat murkier by the list charter, which more/less states that technical questions about FreeBSD aren't to be posted here. But, you can talk about the OS and your experiences with it, etc. And about problems in general terms, books on the subject, web sites, tutorials you've run across (or written) etc. How long have you been using FBSD? And what are you using it for? Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 9 13:15:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A97D16A4CF for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2612143D2F for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:15:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]:2796) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BC2Oj-0006uu-5H; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:14:45 -0700 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:04:52 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-159.acuson.com ([157.226.46.159]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id HX2WYTBD; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:03:31 -0700 From: Johnson David To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:12:30 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <527FE8CB31844C41AB3334125CE75E2B02D599A8@fsrvkq02.reserves.afrc.ds.af.mil> In-Reply-To: <527FE8CB31844C41AB3334125CE75E2B02D599A8@fsrvkq02.reserves.afrc.ds.af.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200404091312.30281.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> cc: Peters Micheal A Contr GSI/SCBN Subject: Re: This list. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 20:15:08 -0000 On Friday 09 April 2004 12:52 pm, Peters Micheal A Contr GSI/SCBN wrote: > Does this list get used at all? Am I the only Newbie to BSD? Look, a newbie! Don't be shy, come closer. We all want to get a good look at you. Stop fidgeting! We just want to poke and prod you a bit. After all, it's not every day we get a newbie. Hey! Come back here! From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 9 13:21:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E30C16A4CE for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from artemis.afrc.af.mil (artemis.afrc.af.mil [129.54.8.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB6243D5C for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:21:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Micheal.Peters@niagarafalls.af.mil) Received: from fsrvkq02.reserves.afrc.ds.af.mil (fsrvkq02.niagarafalls.af.mil [129.54.213.30]) by artemis.afrc.af.mil with ESMTP id i39KLUDk018491 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fsrvkq02.reserves.afrc.ds.af.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <2THGXF7K>; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:21:29 -0400 Message-ID: <527FE8CB31844C41AB3334125CE75E2B02D599A9@fsrvkq02.reserves.afrc.ds.af.mil> From: Peters Micheal A Contr GSI/SCBN To: Cc: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:21:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: This list. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 20:21:31 -0000 Well the how long question is a little gray.. I've picked it up a few times, only to have to put it down a day or 2 later. However, within the past 2 weeks, I've been able to get things up and running, and more importently, been able to stick with it. So I guess the best answer is about 2 weeks. For now FBSD is more for personal training on BSD/Unix. I hope eventually to make a web server out of it, as I dig more into Perl, Php, and that sort of thing. Though, I've always wanted to learn and program in C. Looks like there are plunty of opertunities to program things in this OS :) Why FBSD.... Don't know really. I was looking for something that was as close to unix as possible with having to pay $10k. I suppose I could have (should have, becouse of my lack of unix knowledge accourding to some folks) gone with one of the Linux's, but, well, besides the fact that there where, 26 billion different flavors of linux. It just didn't seem like the thing. Somewhere along the way I was told about this BSD thing. There where only a handfull of branches (Open, Free, Net...) And FreeBSD seemed to be the best choice for me. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. [mailto:kdk@daleco.biz] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 4:01 PM To: Peters Micheal A Contr GSI/SCBN Cc: 'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org' Subject: Re: This list. Peters Micheal A Contr GSI/SCBN wrote: >Does this list get used at all? Am I the only Newbie to BSD? >_______________________________________________ > > a] Yes. b] LOL, I doubt it. But welcome anyhow!! ;-) I show 14 messages (including yours) since April 1st. It's certainly not high traffic, like freebsd-questions, but there's a post once in a while. The waters are made somewhat murkier by the list charter, which more/less states that technical questions about FreeBSD aren't to be posted here. But, you can talk about the OS and your experiences with it, etc. And about problems in general terms, books on the subject, web sites, tutorials you've run across (or written) etc. How long have you been using FBSD? And what are you using it for? Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 9 13:25:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14C816A4CE for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apollor.afrc.af.mil (apollo.afrc.af.mil [129.54.8.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6ED43D3F for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:25:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Micheal.Peters@niagarafalls.af.mil) Received: from fsrvkq02.reserves.afrc.ds.af.mil (fsrvkq02.niagarafalls.af.mil [129.54.213.30]) by apollor.afrc.af.mil with ESMTP id i39KPthS026865 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fsrvkq02.reserves.afrc.ds.af.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <2THGXF7N>; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:25:55 -0400 Message-ID: <527FE8CB31844C41AB3334125CE75E2B02D599AA@fsrvkq02.reserves.afrc.ds.af.mil> From: Peters Micheal A Contr GSI/SCBN To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:25:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: This list. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 20:25:56 -0000 Hehehe :) Don't worry, not planning on running. I fought with make buildworld for a week now. Now that I've gotten that to work (long story) I've invested to much time to leave. Had it failed however ..... Eh, probably would have fought with it for another week, I'm stubborn like that. -----Original Message----- From: Johnson David [mailto:DavidJohnson@Siemens.com] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 4:13 PM To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: Peters Micheal A Contr GSI/SCBN Subject: Re: This list. On Friday 09 April 2004 12:52 pm, Peters Micheal A Contr GSI/SCBN wrote: > Does this list get used at all? Am I the only Newbie to BSD? Look, a newbie! Don't be shy, come closer. We all want to get a good look at you. Stop fidgeting! We just want to poke and prod you a bit. After all, it's not every day we get a newbie. Hey! Come back here! From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 9 13:29:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B5216A4CE for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web42002.mail.yahoo.com (web42002.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D6AC543D4C for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:29:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from d3javu1978@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040409202945.76611.qmail@web42002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.100.104.17] by web42002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:29:45 PDT Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:29:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Me To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , Peters Micheal A Contr GSI/SCBN In-Reply-To: <4077010B.20904@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: This list. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 20:29:46 -0000 :) I was wondering the same thing. I've been asking a few questions in freebsd-question@freebsd.org. thats a busy list. I get at least 100 messages a day. They have some really good info there. I personally converted all 4 machines at home to BSD. I was a redhat user for a while but I discovered FreeBSD and had a change of heart. I'm running 4.8-stable on my router/firewall with IPFILTER, I have p133 running as a raid-1 (Vinum)/Samba/NFS/DHCP server. I only turn on my router on in the mornings since I live in an efficiency appartment It has 2 10,000RPM scsi drives in it, They sound like a helicopter is about to take off :) hehe. well, my p3 sits in the closet its even louder. it has 2 old school 5 1/2 drives which left no space for a CDROM in it. then I use my laptop for everything else, it also runs FreeBSD 5.2.1 -Jose Lima --- "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." wrote: > Peters Micheal A Contr GSI/SCBN wrote: > > >Does this list get used at all? Am I the only > Newbie to BSD? > >_______________________________________________ > > > > > a] Yes. > > b] LOL, I doubt it. But welcome anyhow!! ;-) > > I show 14 messages (including yours) since April > 1st. > It's certainly not high traffic, like > freebsd-questions, > but there's a post once in a while. > > The waters are made somewhat murkier by the > list charter, which more/less states that technical > questions about FreeBSD aren't to be posted here. > > But, you can talk about the OS and your experiences > with it, etc. And about problems in general terms, > books on the subject, web sites, tutorials you've > run across (or written) etc. > > How long have you been using FBSD? And what > are you using it for? > > Kevin Kinsey > DaleCo, S.P. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 9 13:37:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A398A16A4CE for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apollor.afrc.af.mil (apollo.afrc.af.mil [129.54.8.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C099C43D41 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:37:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Micheal.Peters@niagarafalls.af.mil) Received: from fsrvkq02.reserves.afrc.ds.af.mil (fsrvkq02.niagarafalls.af.mil [129.54.213.30]) by apollor.afrc.af.mil with ESMTP id i39KbqhS000638 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fsrvkq02.reserves.afrc.ds.af.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <2THGXF7P>; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:37:52 -0400 Message-ID: <527FE8CB31844C41AB3334125CE75E2B02D599AC@fsrvkq02.reserves.afrc.ds.af.mil> From: Peters Micheal A Contr GSI/SCBN To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:37:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: This list. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 20:37:53 -0000 See, I was worried that my questions would be "below" most of the people who frequent -current -stable and -questions. That's why I thought this was the list for me :) -----Original Message----- From: Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 4:30 PM To: Cc: 'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org' Subject: Re: This list. :) I was wondering the same thing. I've been asking a few questions in freebsd-question@freebsd.org. thats a busy list. I get at least 100 messages a day. They have some really good info there. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 9 13:41:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1DB16A4CF for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E00A43D2F for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:41:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]:4268) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BC2o1-0001Cs-67; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:40:53 -0700 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:31:00 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-159.acuson.com ([157.226.46.159]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id HX2WYTTF; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:29:40 -0700 From: Johnson David To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:38:40 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <527FE8CB31844C41AB3334125CE75E2B02D599A9@fsrvkq02.reserves.afrc.ds.af.mil> In-Reply-To: <527FE8CB31844C41AB3334125CE75E2B02D599A9@fsrvkq02.reserves.afrc.ds.af.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200404091338.40137.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> cc: Peters Micheal A Contr GSI/SCBN Subject: Re: This list. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 20:41:16 -0000 On Friday 09 April 2004 01:21 pm, Peters Micheal A Contr GSI/SCBN wrote: > Why FBSD.... Don't know really. I was looking for something that was > as close to unix as possible with having to pay $10k. Even though FreeBSD is the best possible choice, Solaris is still free (as in beer) and you can pick up SparcV "pizza boxes" for around $20 on eBay. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 9 14:05:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787AA16A4CE for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4300C43D1F for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:05:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:05:51 -0500 Message-ID: <40771005.7010905@daleco.biz> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 16:05:09 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040406 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Johnson David References: <527FE8CB31844C41AB3334125CE75E2B02D599A9@fsrvkq02.reserves.afrc.ds.af.mil> <200404091338.40137.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> In-Reply-To: <200404091338.40137.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2004 21:05:52.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[70D359D0:01C41E76] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: Peters Micheal A Contr GSI/SCBN Subject: Re: This list. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 21:05:09 -0000 Johnson David wrote: >On Friday 09 April 2004 01:21 pm, Peters Micheal A Contr GSI/SCBN wrote: > > > >>Why FBSD.... Don't know really. I was looking for something that was >>as close to unix as possible with having to pay $10k. >> >> > >Even though FreeBSD is the best possible choice, Solaris is still free >(as in beer) and you can pick up SparcV "pizza boxes" for around $20 on >eBay. > >David > > Hmm, I'd heard the NetBSD claimed they could run on a toaster, but I surely didn't know Slowlaris ran on cardboard boxen! Learn sumpin newbie every day 'round here! Need to start saving those Domino's leftovers ;-) Kevin Kinsey P.S. Michael, the Handbook hardly ever lies!!!! :-D From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 9 15:21:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4723B16A4CE for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cyberworldservers.net (mailmta.e-insites.com [66.206.0.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5AF043D31 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:21:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from corsis@epnix.com) Received: from phoenix ([129.44.155.140]) by mailservices.e-insites.com with MailEnable ESMTP; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 15:20:57 -0700 From: "Corsis" To: Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 18:20:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcQedeZ6OoUkgyN6TU+43jz5ERJvYgACl1lA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <40771005.7010905@daleco.biz> Message-Id: <20040409222109.A5AF043D31@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: RE: This list. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 22:21:10 -0000 Yep, Handbook is my first source of info... actually, as I work on my BSD box, I have Firefox open on my winders pc. Tab 1 Handbook, Tab 2 hypertext man page from the FreeBSD.org site. Tab 3 and on Google searches and resulting pages :) Yeah, I'm at home now :) Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 5:05 PM To: Johnson David Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Peters Micheal A Contr GSI/SCBN Subject: Re: This list. Johnson David wrote: Kevin Kinsey P.S. Michael, the Handbook hardly ever lies!!!! :-D _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 9 19:10:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B51616A4CE for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 19:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727A043D53 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 19:10:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i3A2ADbv046322 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 19:10:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3A2ADe4046312 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 19:10:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 19:10:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200404100210.i3A2ADe4046312@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 02:10:13 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 9 20:07:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D54216A4CE for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 20:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cyberworldservers.net (mailmta.e-insites.com [66.206.0.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD39543D3F for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 20:07:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikepeters@epnix.com) Received: from phoenix ([129.44.155.140]) by mailservices.e-insites.com with MailEnable ESMTP; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 20:07:15 -0700 From: "Micheal Peters" To: "FreeBSD Newbies Mail List" Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 23:07:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcQeqOupjCsIpCb/QcmDV2dXr6MuEg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: <20040410030738.CD39543D3F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: The new user experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 03:07:39 -0000 >From Kevin Kinsey 3:58 PM EDT Friday 9 April 2004 The waters are made somewhat murkier by the list charter, which more/less states that technical questions about FreeBSD aren't to be posted here. But, you can talk about the OS and your experiences with it, etc. And about problems in general terms, books on the subject, web sites, tutorials you've run across (or written) etc. Well if we can talk about our experiences I'll give the run down of the past 2 weeks :-) /******** NOTE: I fully intend to be long winded with this one and include a bit of history too, if you don't really care about what a total n00b sees, stop reading, delete this message (and any subsequent messages) and go on with your normal life. Otherwise sit back, and enjoy :-) Also note, supposively English is my primary language; actually Bad English would be a better description. I'll try to maintain proper spelling and punctuation, but I can't give any guarantees. ********/ A Little History So a few months ago maybe as close to a year ago, I don't remember exactly what brought up the conversation but I had asked one of my Co-workers about the various *nix's. I think he was working on a MRTG server and I thought it was pretty cool how he could start the system with 2 floppy disks, and from their completely install an OS. No CD's or anything like that, just 2 disks and an internet connection. I do believe that's when the *nix's conversations occurred. He mentioned various Linux's and how they where probably a good starting place for someone with no experience UNIX. Now, it's not that I have absolutely no experience with it. I have some, however briefly, when I made the attempt to attend college (note the word attempted. I guess the attempt would have gone better had I attended most of my classes though out the year. Naaaa! lol) but that was from a users point of view, not an admin. We talked about a few other things: routers and switches are very UNIX like when you log into them, most of the web hosts I've dealt with where running some type of *nix.. And so on. Well that day I decided, I needed to learn (and re-learn) some type of *nix. Of course then came the big question.. Which one? Well, before I could answer that question, I needed to figure out WHAT I was going to run it on. Well my father had a old PC that he gave to my then 4 year old, when he got a new PC. Oddly enough, even though most Pre-school type software can run on some ancient stuff. It was becoming obvious that this PC was just not good enough. The monitor couldn't display very clearly (in windows, but did fine at command prompt) the CD was only a 2x. Some things would talk for ever to load, well forever for a 4 year old, and he couldn't play his truly favorite game, Star Wars Pod Racer. So the idea that he had his own PC ended up getting dropped as more and more of his programs where added to my PC (ok, ok, I'm married, it was OUR PC lol). So now I had a computer I could use, it was set up on my wife's desk. A mighty 486/200 with 64MB RAM, A sound blaster sound card (SB 64 I think) the previously mentioned 2x CDROM and 2 HD's can't remember the size. Ok, with that all set, it was time to find an OS. To The Web James I hoped on to the first PC, and hit the web. First stop FreeBSD.org. This was the OS that my co-worker was installing that started this whole thing off. The website, looked decent enough, professional I guess, well professional enough that I thought I could trust the OS, that it wasn't some fly-by-night-install-a-few-back-doors-in-your-computer-so-we-pwne-it-when-yo ur-on-the-web, type of thing. Well, I completed a cursory inspection of the site, and added FreeBSD to my list of possibilities. I did, however, want to see what else was out there. I checked out some the other BSD's. They didn't seem as friendly on their website as FBSD did (actually, as I'm writing this, I checked out OpenBSD, and NetBSD's web site. Either I'm looking at it from a different point of view, or they made some changes. Because if I had to make the choice today... I would have been much harder to make). While I mulled over the BSD's, I decided to give the Linux's a shot. (Now, before I finish/start this paragraph, I'm sure the various linuxes are great OS's. I'm not mocking anybody that uses them, or the OS itself, just stating what was going though my mind at the time. So please, don't flame me for what I say the next couple of lines.) I surfed over to a few Linux sites, and I was pretty much overwhelmed with what I saw. It seems to be that there are roughly 50..thousand flavors of Linux, so to chose a small handful of possibilities on my own, was next to impossible. Granted, there where the names that I knew. Diabian, Red Hat, Lindows, Mandrake.. and so one. So I thought I'd just stick with those. Well to look though the sites, yeah, they where "free" but to truly get "official" support, something a newbie would probably need, you needed to cough up some cash for some of them. And, to make matters worse, the system requirements. well, if I had a system to could match them, I'd be running windows on that PC for my son's stuff. So Linux was written off. And The Winner Is.. What I was left with where the 3 main BSDs; Free, Open, and Net. The final decision was based on, to read the website at the time, what they where geared for. Open's goal was to be the most secure, which would be great if I was making a firewall or a router out this box. Net Seemed to be about Networking/Networks, but I was looking for something a little more Generic, the swiss army knife of the BSD's. FreeBSD seemed to be the only one that fit the bill. It's been quite a few months since then, but it also seemed like (at least from looking at the advertising) that FreeBSD was the only one that had the install from floppy and use the net for the rest option. Granted, Open and Net, probably had that capability, but it wasn't apparent from their web pages, where was my only source of information at the time. So now that I had my choice of OS, and my PC, I scurried off to FIND some floppy disks. It took me a bit, but I located the stash, downloaded the disk images, and the utility to make them. While the FTP was happening, I took a look at the section of the home page "For Newbies" and the install guide. Armed with my disks, and I had printed the install guide, I steped over to the other desk and got started. My Very First Install of FreeBSD With Disk one in the drive, and my printout in front of me, I powered up my system ready to install FreeBSD. Opps, fist mistake, booted into windows, restarted the system, went into BIOS, and added floppy disk to boot devices. Ok, now I really felt like a newbie, making a mistake like that. "Lets try this again", rebooting the system, this time the floppy disk kicked in and I was off. Basically, my first install was "by the book", the Handbook as it turns out, as the Install guide comes straight from what would eventually become a very frequent online stop, the FreeBSD handbook. There where a few confusing parts, like the partitions. There where a few lines as to what I was doing and why, but nothing really that said GOOD PRACTICE: Do This. Yes, I know, or have found out, that for every 1000 expert FBSD admins out there, there are 1000 different opinions on how to partition a drive. Some based on preference, some on what software that will be run, some on security practices and so on. What I needed was, what I found out later, some formulas, and better guidance then "eh, toss some numbers in here and see how it turns out". Actually it wasn't THAT bad, but I am coming from a Microsoft Windows environment, where everything is spoon feed. Partitions aren't really required (helpful maybe, but not required) on a workstation, and you only need to worry about one directory /windows (hehe ahh, make that \windows; guess some BSD stuff is starting to wear off on me). Plus to make things a little more confusing, I HAD to play with some of the options at the bottom of the screen; In particular the auto defaults. Now, in the handbook it suggests making /var about 50MB, but when I hit the auto defaults key it makes /var about 256MB. So at this time, well, I don't want to say I'm doubting the accuracy of the handbook, but more to the point of how dated is the material. Of course the handbook is current, but to this newbie, I was unsure, and I wanted answers NOW, so I could play with my new OS. What do I do? Hit the web, of course. ACK!!!! I went from not enough info, to way too much information. That was pretty much a mistake to do, so in the end I just let the auto defaults stick, and carry on, I could always re-install everything if I needed, to reset up the partitions. With the fdisk (disklable) out of the way, the next few steps where pretty simple. "What distributions do I want to install?" Everything. "Do I want to install the ports collection?", after a little reading as to what the ports collection can really do for me: Sure! "What Installation media?" FTP of course, that's why I chose this OS. And, after setting up my network connection for the cable modem, away it went. Happily downloading what it needed and installing. Knowing that this might take a little bit, I stepped away from the computer for a bit of a break. Ok, this is getting a little bit longer then even I had anticipated, I hope you all don't mind if a) I pause here for the day, and b) continue on another day (tomorrow probably, Monday at the latest). As far as timeline goes, I'm still a few months behind, present, the good news is, there are a lot of large gaps of time where I'm not using the BSD box, so I won't be writing a Complete novel. More like a full, but short story. If this sort of thing is completely off topic for this list, or just not allowed, Please, let me know and I'll stop. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 9 20:26:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7A516A4CE for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 20:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cyberworldservers.net (mailmta.e-insites.com [66.206.0.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 753B143D39 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 20:26:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from corsis@epnix.com) Received: from phoenix ([129.44.155.140]) by mailservices.e-insites.com with MailEnable ESMTP; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 20:26:27 -0700 From: "Corsis" To: Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 23:26:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcQeoRjtH/MkLiBARUaev+cqF2AqGAACFI2Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <200404100210.i3A2ADe4046312@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-Id: <20040410032637.753B143D39@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: RE: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 03:26:37 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Sue Blake > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 10:10 PM > To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK > > > FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit > > use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, [Micheal Peters] Guess My massive post that I sent before I got this E-mail is ok here then :) > moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the > When something doesn't work the way you expect > > 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at > http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and > security advisories. > 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at > http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html > 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of > `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question > to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. [Micheal Peters] OK, I'll do what you say with this one... I just worry about being lumped in with the High-level experts when it comes to questions. I've seen plenty of examples with other software of a newbie getting flamed, basically because they didn't know what to look for when they tried to do a search for a problem. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 10 05:40:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C227816A4CE for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 05:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB17443D53 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 05:40:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfm@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from lexx ([82.37.145.193]) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:40:17 +0100 From: John Murphy To: newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:40:15 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2004 12:40:17.0903 (UTC) FILETIME=[FAA497F0:01C41EF8] Subject: Re: The new user experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jfm@blueyonder.co.uk List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:40:17 -0000 "Micheal Peters" wrote: >NOTE: I fully intend to be long winded with this one and include a bit = of >history too, if you don't really care about what a total n00b sees, stop >reading, delete this message (and any subsequent messages) and go on = with >your normal life. Otherwise sit back, and enjoy :-) Someone once said that the newbie experience is extremely valuable to those who are interested in making the experience easier/better. >Also note, supposively English is my primary language; actually Bad = English >would be a better description. I'll try to maintain proper spelling and >punctuation, but I can't give any guarantees. It's not too bad. You just make one or two common mistakes like using "where" where you meant "were". The first is a place like 'somewhere' and the second indicates past tense, like 'we were having fun'. Also: "There" is a place, like 'The grass is greener over there'. "Their" is something belonging to someone like 'their opinion'. "They're" is short for they are... Anyway, enough of that. I enjoyed your story and I thank you for taking the time to write it up and post it here. It took me back to my first experiences with FreeBSD and I look forward to reading part two. This sort of thing is exactly on topic for this list. --=20 John. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 10 10:50:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58FB616A4CE for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from serv01.divms.uiowa.edu (serv01.divms.uiowa.edu [128.255.44.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3F243D39 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:50:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdusek@cs.uiowa.edu) Received: from cs.uiowa.edu ([128.255.33.169]) by serv01.divms.uiowa.edu with id i3AHoOoV016133 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:50:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <407833E0.9040708@cs.uiowa.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:50:24 -0500 From: Jason Dusek Organization: University of Iowa User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040408 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Newbies@BSD" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.37 Subject: The FreeBSD Xperience X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jdusek@cs.uiowa.edu List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:50:27 -0000 Well, since we're telling stories... My experience with BSD began when I couldn't get Linux to work. My father had given me a laptop to fiddle with, but it was so old that I couldn't boot it from the CD. At work, we have a few machines just lying around doing nothing, so I asked my boss if I could try installing Linux on one. Bob (my boss) said that he would rather have me fiddle with FreeBSD, since it's safer. First I had to get the boot floppies. I decided to do the install on a Windows machine. This should be easy, I said to myself - I'll just download the boot images, use the imaging utility provided on the website, and then I'll shut off Windows and never use it again. I got the boot images and the utility without a hitch, but when it came to copying the images to a disk, I was in for a suprise! The computer just sat there for twenty minutes. When I tried to check on the floppies - I went to A\: in the Windows file manager - the computer promptly crashed and cut power to itself! Behold the power of FreeBSD! Eventually, I found a guru who gave me the disks. For the next couple of weeks I installed and reinstalled, fiddling with the partitions and other shit. Eventually I got everything but X set up the way I liked it. For some reason, I just could not get X to work. So I went back to my Solaris box, and just sshed whenever I needed to use the BSD machine. This state of affairs persisted for more than a month. Then I found another, better machine - one of the casualties of our transfer from SPARC to i386. It had been one of the test cases for 1386 Solaris, and Bob just hadn't been able to make it work quite right... I talked them into letting me have it. I got X to work, and fooled around with Window Maker for awhile until I decided to get GNOME. Then my troubles really began. After I had a GNOME configuration that I really liked, I just copied all my .gnome* files into /usr/shar/skel/. Then I added some new users. This is not a good idea though, because, as I later found out, the .gnome* files have your home directory hard coded into them for whatever reason. But it worked for awhile. I enabled GDM, and then all hell broke loose. I spent several days blowing away all my users, and then putting them back again. It turns out that there was some evil config left over in, of all places, /var/tmp. Someday I would like to write a script that 'exports' my config files properly. I have been reading 'FreeBSD Unleashed' to help me through the install on the second machine, and I'm at about the middle of the book. Soon I'll setup mail and Apache. Ahaha! I've gone mad with the power (to serve)! -- --~:~\\ Jason Dusek \\~:~://|||//|||| ---~:~\\ The Hydra Project \\~:~://|||//||| ----~:~\\ The University of Iowa \\~:~://|||//|| ---- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 10 11:43:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B1916A4CE for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cyberworldservers.net (mailmta.e-insites.com [66.206.0.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA4A43D48 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:43:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from corsis@epnix.com) Received: from phoenix ([129.44.155.140]) by mailservices.e-insites.com with MailEnable ESMTP; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:43:37 -0700 From: "Corsis" To: "'Newbies@BSD'" Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:43:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcQfJGEBBWiZs809Sq+5HqPgUcnKLAABZeYg In-Reply-To: <407833E0.9040708@cs.uiowa.edu> Message-Id: <20040410184350.4FA4A43D48@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: RE: The FreeBSD Xperience X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:43:50 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Jason Dusek > Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 1:50 PM > To: Newbies@BSD > Subject: The FreeBSD Xperience > > Then I found another, better machine - one of the casualties of our > transfer from SPARC to i386. It had been one of the test cases for 1386 > Solaris, and Bob just hadn't been able to make it work quite right... I > talked them into letting me have it. I got X to work, and fooled around > with Window Maker for awhile until I decided to get GNOME. Then my > troubles really began. After I had a GNOME configuration that I really > liked, I just copied all my .gnome* files into /usr/shar/skel/. Then I > added some new users. This is not a good idea though, because, as I > later found out, the .gnome* files have your home directory hard coded > into them for whatever reason. But it worked for awhile. I enabled > GDM, and then all hell broke loose. I spent several days blowing away > all my users, and then putting them back again. It turns out that there > was some evil config left over in, of all places, /var/tmp. Someday I > would like to write a script that 'exports' my config files properly. [Micheal Peters] I've had X up and running with KDE a few times. But with my current install, I'm holding off installing X until I have a chance to really read how the whole thing interacts with the OS. From what I understand X is a bear all to itself :) > I have been reading 'FreeBSD Unleashed' to help me through the install > on the second machine, and I'm at about the middle of the book. Soon > I'll setup mail and Apache. Ahaha! I've gone mad with the power (to > serve)! [Micheal Peters] I've been hearing a lot about this book. In my library, I have Absolute BSD, seems to be an ok book. But I've been thinking about getting the Unleashed one, Different views on the same subject seems to be a good thing at time :) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 10 15:10:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B9E16A4CE for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 15:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8217743D53 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 15:10:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:10:48 -0500 Message-ID: <407870BA.5000908@daleco.biz> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:10:02 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040406 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Micheal Peters References: <20040410030738.CD39543D3F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20040410030738.CD39543D3F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2004 22:10:48.0703 (UTC) FILETIME=[ADCA28F0:01C41F48] cc: FreeBSD Newbies Mail List Subject: Re: The new user experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:10:06 -0000 Micheal Peters wrote: >>From Kevin Kinsey 3:58 PM EDT Friday 9 April 2004 > >>The waters are made somewhat murkier by the list charter, which more/less >>states that technical questions about FreeBSD aren't to be posted here. > > > >But, you can talk about the OS and your experiences with it, etc. And about >problems in general terms, books on the subject, web sites, tutorials you've >run across (or written) etc. > >Well if we can talk about our experiences I'll give the run down of the past >2 weeks :-) > >/******** > >NOTE: I fully intend to be long winded with this one and include a bit of >history too, if you don't really care about what a total n00b sees, stop >reading, delete this message (and any subsequent messages) and go on with >your normal life. Otherwise sit back, and enjoy :-) > I liked your story, too. Sounda kinda familiar to all of us newbies, no matter how long it's been, as someone was just saying. There was a very recent thread on freebsd-advocacy called "BSD Success Stories." I actually submitted one, but dunno if it'll be used. I spent a moment doing some more cleaning on it today; looking better, but *please* don't run it through a validator, *blush* ... http://www.daleco.biz/FBSDstory.html Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P.