From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 23 00:10:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA1016A4CF; Sun, 23 May 2004 00:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17FF243D45; Sun, 23 May 2004 00:10:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0888AE057; Sun, 23 May 2004 00:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 50872-04; Sun, 23 May 2004 00:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 690C1AE051; Sun, 23 May 2004 00:10:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040523071003.690C1AE051@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 00:10:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2004-05-02 - 2004-05-22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 07:10:15 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 22-May : Laptop stolen It's gone. Nothing I can do about it. http://freebsddiary.org/laptop-stolen.php?2 21-May : Xplanet - improve your background Provide a dynamic and interesting background for X http://freebsddiary.org/xplanet.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 23 22:21:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B83F16A4CE for ; Sun, 23 May 2004 22:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail5.dslextreme.com (mail5.dslextreme.com [66.51.199.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9959743D2F for ; Sun, 23 May 2004 22:21:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmlewis@dslextreme.com) Received: (qmail 19555 invoked from network); 24 May 2004 05:20:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.dslextreme.com) (66.51.199.92) by 192.168.8.93 with SMTP; Mon, 24 May 2004 05:20:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 22:20:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joshua Lewis" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org User-Agent: DSL Extreme Webmail (www.dslextreme.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-AntiVirus: scanned for viruses by AMaViS 0.2.1 (http://amavis.org/) Subject: lost e-mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jmlewis@dslextreme.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 05:21:23 -0000 I have recently finished installing FBSD and have setup KDE for my desktop (Wife needs a GUI). I set up Kmail for her any myself. Now all of a sudden neither of us can log in as our users. And root (please god do not let someone try to hack my system) no longer needs password. I have read about a single login something or another but do not know if I somehow turned that on. Does this make sense? If so how do I turn it off and if not does anyone have any good ideas. Thank you, Joshua Lewis From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 23 23:35:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6595816A4CE for ; Sun, 23 May 2004 23:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fidel.freesurf.fr (fidel.freesurf.fr [212.43.206.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3047343D46 for ; Sun, 23 May 2004 23:35:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ogautherot@freesurf.fr) Received: from [212.43.209.181] (du-209-181.nat.adsl.claranet.fr [212.43.209.181]) by fidel.freesurf.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81EA2A5C24; Mon, 24 May 2004 08:35:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Olivier Gautherot To: jmlewis@dslextreme.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1085380572.1006.7.camel@ogautherot.og-lan.freesurf.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 08:36:12 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lost e-mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 06:35:39 -0000 Hi Joshua! On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 07:20, Joshua Lewis wrote: > I have recently finished installing FBSD and have setup KDE for my desktop > (Wife needs a GUI). I set up Kmail for her any myself. Now all of a sudden > neither of us can log in as our users. And root (please god do not let > someone try to hack my system) no longer needs password. Did you use sysinstall to create your wife's username? I seem to remember seeing such a behavior in the past with one of my fresh installs. If root runs the cshell and all your disks are mounted, I doubt you're in sigle user mode. Just reset the root password using the command passwd and recreate the users with the command adduser. You should be all set. Hope it helps Olivier From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 25 12:41:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB72616A4CE for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 12:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.ilstu.edu (smtp3.ilstu.edu [138.87.1.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D7543D55 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 12:41:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from smichae@ilstu.edu) Received: from localhost (topaz.ilstu.edu [138.87.1.37]) by smtp.ilstu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6378B22BB for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 14:40:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 4.10.75.21 ( [4.10.75.21]) as user smichae@mail.ilstu.edu by webmail2.ilstu.edu with HTTP; Tue, 25 May 2004 14:40:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1085514032.40b3a1308e850@webmail2.ilstu.edu> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 14:40:32 -0500 From: smichae@ilstu.edu To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 4.10.75.21 Subject: MySQL max_connections X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 19:41:04 -0000 Hi, I am running FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE with Plesk control panel and mysql 3.23.58 and apache 1.3.29. I am VERY new to the operating system and am currently getting a lot of max_connections errors for all MySQL driven scripts. I can't figure out how to change this. I've tried looking for the my.conf file to no avail. Is there something I'm missing here, because I would think this would be something easy to fix. Once again, very very new to the OS, don't even know if there's a find command anywhere. Thanks in advance for any help. Steven Michaels smichae@ilstu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------ Illinois State University Webmail https://webmail2.ilstu.edu From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 25 13:39:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7FA16A4CE for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 13:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.westendorp.org (mail.westendorp.org [216.113.200.125]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE01843D46 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 13:39:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Robert@westendorp.org) Received: from rob.office.uniserve.ca ([204.244.161.211] helo=rob) by mail.westendorp.org with smtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1BSiiL-0001BO-00; Tue, 25 May 2004 13:39:57 -0700 Message-ID: <090e01c44298$62283180$d3a1f4cc@rob> From: "Robert Westendorp" To: , References: <1085514032.40b3a1308e850@webmail2.ilstu.edu> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 13:39:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Subject: Re: MySQL max_connections X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 20:39:55 -0000 If the option isn't in my.cnf already then just add under the [mysqld] section: set-variable = max_connections=250 or however many you want. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 12:40 PM Subject: MySQL max_connections > > Hi, I am running FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE with Plesk control panel and mysql > 3.23.58 and apache 1.3.29. I am VERY new to the operating system and am > currently getting a lot of max_connections errors for all MySQL driven > scripts. I can't figure out how to change this. I've tried looking for the > my.conf file to no avail. Is there something I'm missing here, because I > would think this would be something easy to fix. Once again, very very new to > the OS, don't even know if there's a find command anywhere. Thanks in advance > for any help. > Steven Michaels > smichae@ilstu.edu > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Illinois State University Webmail https://webmail2.ilstu.edu > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 25 13:49:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61C216A4CE for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 13:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.ilstu.edu (smtp3.ilstu.edu [138.87.1.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC2A43D2F for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 13:49:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from smichae@ilstu.edu) Received: from localhost (topaz.ilstu.edu [138.87.1.37]) by smtp.ilstu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF1922CE; Tue, 25 May 2004 15:48:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 4.10.75.21 ( [4.10.75.21]) as user smichae@mail.ilstu.edu by webmail2.ilstu.edu with HTTP; Tue, 25 May 2004 15:48:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1085518120.40b3b1287d6b9@webmail2.ilstu.edu> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 15:48:40 -0500 From: smichae@ilstu.edu To: robert@westendorp.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 4.10.75.21 Subject: X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 20:49:15 -0000 The problem is that I can't find the my.cnf file anywhere. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Westendorp [mailto:Robert@westendorp.org] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 3:40 PM To: smichae@ilstu.edu; freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MySQL max_connections If the option isn't in my.cnf already then just add under the [mysqld] section: set-variable = max_connections=250 or however many you want. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 12:40 PM Subject: MySQL max_connections > > Hi, I am running FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE with Plesk control panel and > mysql 3.23.58 and apache 1.3.29. I am VERY new to the operating > system and am currently getting a lot of max_connections errors for > all MySQL driven scripts. I can't figure out how to change this. > I've tried looking for the > my.conf file to no avail. Is there something I'm missing here, > because I would think this would be something easy to fix. Once > again, very very new to > the OS, don't even know if there's a find command anywhere. Thanks in advance > for any help. > Steven Michaels > smichae@ilstu.edu > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Illinois State University Webmail https://webmail2.ilstu.edu > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ------------------------------------------------------------ Illinois State University Webmail https://webmail2.ilstu.edu From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 25 14:06:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF7016A4CE for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 14:06:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell0.uh-hosting.co.uk (shell0.uh-hosting.co.uk [213.230.203.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E6C43D1D for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 14:06:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from james@uh-hosting.co.uk) Received: from 81-86-100-7.dsl.pipex.com ([81.86.100.7] helo=arse) by shell0.uh-hosting.co.uk with asmtp (Exim 3.36 #6) id 1BSj76-0003Q5-00; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:05:32 +0100 Message-ID: <2162a01c4429b$aa276890$6401a8c0@arse> From: "James Smith" To: , References: <1085518120.40b3b1287d6b9@webmail2.ilstu.edu> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 22:03:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:06:12 -0000 It is usually in /etc Run: /usr/libexec/locate.updatedb Then: locate my.cnf .. if you cant find it. Regards, James Smith, UH Hosting Ltd W: http://www.uh-hosting.co.uk/ E: james@uh-hosting.co.uk P: 01582 571672 Mob: 07745137724 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 9:48 PM > The problem is that I can't find the my.cnf file anywhere. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Westendorp [mailto:Robert@westendorp.org] > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 3:40 PM > To: smichae@ilstu.edu; freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: MySQL max_connections > > > If the option isn't in my.cnf already then just add under the [mysqld] > section: > > set-variable = max_connections=250 > > or however many you want. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 12:40 PM > Subject: MySQL max_connections > > > > > > Hi, I am running FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE with Plesk control panel and > > mysql 3.23.58 and apache 1.3.29. I am VERY new to the operating > > system and am currently getting a lot of max_connections errors for > > all MySQL driven scripts. I can't figure out how to change this. > > I've tried looking for > the > > my.conf file to no avail. Is there something I'm missing here, > > because I would think this would be something easy to fix. Once > > again, very very > new to > > the OS, don't even know if there's a find command anywhere. Thanks in > advance > > for any help. > > Steven Michaels > > smichae@ilstu.edu > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Illinois State University Webmail https://webmail2.ilstu.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Illinois State University Webmail https://webmail2.ilstu.edu > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 25 14:08:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27D616A4CE for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 14:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5A09243D53 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 14:08:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from allegro@megahydrogen.com) X-eGroups-Return: allegro@megahydrogen.com Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2004 21:08:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:08:36 -0000 From: "allegros2" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.156.98.188 Subject: First Time User X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:08:53 -0000 I have installed FreeBSD from CD; I boot to it via a BM from Paragon. It boots to Login: then after I lof=g in, I get a promtp$. Why am I in textmode? how do I get a GUI? Thanks F From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 25 14:48:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B0F16A4CE for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 14:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3901043D39 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 14:48:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Tue, 25 May 2004 16:49:12 -0500 Message-ID: <40B3BF11.5090002@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:48:01 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040406 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: allegros2 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 May 2004 21:49:13.0546 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E67A2A0:01C442A2] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: First Time User X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:48:44 -0000 allegros2 wrote: >I have installed FreeBSD from CD; I boot to it via a BM from >Paragon. It boots to Login: then after I lof=g in, I get a >promtp$. Why am I in textmode? how do I get a GUI? Thanks >F > > Hello, Please direct technical questions to the questions mailing list, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org. The list charter for "newbies" doesn't really allow for technical questions. The answer to your question, though; a. Because a base install does not include a windowing system. Not every computer needs one. b. --- "install one" ;-) Have you read any of the Handbook yet? www.freebsd.org/handbook IIRC, Chapter 5 talks about the "X window system", which is what you'll want, I expect. (It's generally what is used in FBSD....) HAND, Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 25 14:53:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A89016A4CE for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 14:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from students.depaul.edu (students.depaul.edu [140.192.1.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9328243D41 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 14:53:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gebhardtcomputing.com) Received: from timslaptop (cst-48-203.cst-wireless.depaul.edu [140.192.48.203]) by students.depaul.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2183595; Tue, 25 May 2004 16:53:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tim Gebhardt" To: "'allegros2'" , Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:53:51 -0500 Organization: DePaul University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcRCnhUhjx8dr+pXQoGopQt40lPhpQABF4+w In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-Id: <20040525215350.CF2183595@students.depaul.edu> Subject: RE: First Time User X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@gebhardtcomputing.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:53:52 -0000 If you installed XWindows and selected a windows manager during install, try typing "startx" (no quotes). Tim Gebhardt President CSS/ACM - DePaul University FreeBSD@gebhardtcomputing.com --Without C we would only have BASI, OBOL, and PASAL-- >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- >>>newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of allegros2 >>>Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 4:09 PM >>>To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org >>>Subject: First Time User >>> >>>I have installed FreeBSD from CD; I boot to it via a BM from >>>Paragon. It boots to Login: then after I lof=g in, I get a >>>promtp$. Why am I in textmode? how do I get a GUI? Thanks >>>F >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >>>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >>>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies- >>>unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 25 15:21:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 028DE16A4CE for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 15:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f49.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF6F443D2D for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 15:21:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 May 2004 15:20:26 -0700 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 May 2004 22:20:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] X-Sender: crollins666@hotmail.com From: "clayton rollins" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 22:20:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 May 2004 22:20:26.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[7AD4D770:01C442A6] cc: allegro@megahydrogen.com Subject: RE: First Time User X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 22:21:30 -0000 On May 25, 2004, "allegros2" wrote: > >I have installed FreeBSD from CD; I boot to it via a BM from >Paragon. It boots to Login: then after I lof=g in, I get a >promtp$. Why am I in textmode? how do I get a GUI? Thanks >F > Hi F, First off, all technical questions should be asked on freebsd-questions. I'll try to help as much as possible, while staying within the charter for this list, which means that I'm constrained to linking to official doc.s and shouldn't offer advice or answers. If you need help installing X from sysinstall, there is a section here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-post.html Assuming you know that and set up X during install, that same page mentions using 'startx' to start X. If you wish to boot into a graphical environment, several options are available, see: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-xdm.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11-wm.html#X11-WM-KDE-KDM GDM may be another option, but I can't find official doc.s on that. If you run (t)csh, you might consider adding a command to ~/.login as described in 'man csh'. Regards, Clayton _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with the new version of MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 25 18:32:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F5516A4CE for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns9.icdc.com (ns9.icdc.com [208.244.152.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E72743D1F for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:32:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from csmith@icdc.com) Received: from WAND (pool-151-197-215-211.phil.east.verizon.net [151.197.215.211]) by ns9.icdc.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i4Q1TBRv003124 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 21:29:12 -0400 Message-ID: <005401c442c1$5ef878c0$9b02a8c0@WAND> From: "Chauncey Smith" To: Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:32:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Subject: Technical questions and Newbie experience. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 01:32:28 -0000 I've noticed a lot of new users that come in here post a technical question and haven't read the Handbook yet. I think we need to have more conversations about our newbie experiences so when a new person joins the mailing list he can see what the list is all about. I know that it happens atleast once a week someone can't start X windows or someone can't load a port because they're not root, or they simply don't know about the resolve.conf feature of FreeBSD 5.x. Well I'll start the conversation with my quest for a small mother board for a router. I really want something with USB. I'm thinking the M-ITX format board from EPIA.I've also looked at SBC's but they all have this back plan adaptor and I really. want something that can be self contained and small. I'm even looking at the Jetway board with a DOC slot. Disk on Chip. sounds so cool. And would be great for a freevo unit as well. Let's talk about our projects as well. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 26 12:31:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71F916A4CE for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 12:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fidel.freesurf.fr (fidel.freesurf.fr [212.43.206.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74E1043D41 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 12:31:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ogautherot@freesurf.fr) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (62-240-243-118.adsl.claranet.fr [62.240.243.118]) by fidel.freesurf.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5943F2A4F8F; Wed, 26 May 2004 21:29:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Olivier Gautherot To: Chauncey Smith In-Reply-To: <005401c442c1$5ef878c0$9b02a8c0@WAND> References: <005401c442c1$5ef878c0$9b02a8c0@WAND> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1085599837.922.40.camel@ogautherot.og-lan.freesurf.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 21:30:38 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Technical questions and Newbie experience. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 19:31:40 -0000 > I think we need to have more conversations about our newbie experiences so > when a new person joins the mailing list he can see what the list is all > about. I know that it happens atleast once a week someone can't start X > windows or someone can't load a port because they're not root, or they > simply don't know about the resolve.conf feature of FreeBSD 5.x. That's a good point. There are at least 2 types of newbies: 1) the "I have 50 years of experience in Solaris and you-name-IX and 5 Linux distros and I'm starting with FreeBSD now" on one hand and 2) the "my room mate installed FreeBSD on my machine and I have just discovered that there is an ON switch on the front panel" on the other :-) Having been a newbie myself a few months ago (with fairly extensive Linux background), I acknowledge that, even though the manual is really good, it's a thick reading for people switching or simply starting with computers (no flame, I don't mean to start a controversy about whether FreeBSD is good for a very beginner :-). What I missed is a "Installation and first steps in FreeBSD in 10 lessons". I know there are 1,000 web sites that claim this but I've found no short document on the official FreeBSD web site telling you where to look for info when you start - I was probably too eager to get started... All software products I know have a "Getting started" guide so I guess we should have one too (X in VESA mode, no sound, networking in DHCP client - and pointers to the manual for 3D graphics support, sound servers, firewall, NAT, DHCP server etc.) Any clue whether such a thing exists? and if it could be added to the doc section of www.freebsd.org? About my experience, I use FBSD for email, word processing and plan a firewall (my wife still runs Window$... :-( ) in picobsd on a cheap VIA motherboard. Also in the waiting list are musical notation (would be great to have that in OpenOffice...) and a videorecorder (still missing the video acquisition card for that). I doubt I'll have much time for the other projects with the (human) baby coming up... Cheerio Olivier From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 26 14:42:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D5C216A4CE for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 14:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.wp.pl (smtp.wp.pl [212.77.101.160]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B748343D39 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 14:42:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from krsr@wp.pl) Received: (wp-smtpd smtp.wp.pl 17900 invoked from network); 26 May 2004 23:41:46 +0200 Received: from host-212-127-71-147.osiedla.net (HELO [10.2.0.78]) (krsr@[212.127.71.147]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.wp.pl (wp-smtpd) with SMTP for ; 26 May 2004 23:41:46 +0200 From: Krzysztof Sroka To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 23:42:44 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <005401c442c1$5ef878c0$9b02a8c0@WAND> <1085599837.922.40.camel@ogautherot.og-lan.freesurf.fr> In-Reply-To: <1085599837.922.40.camel@ogautherot.og-lan.freesurf.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200405262342.45591.krsr@wp.pl> X-AntiVirus: skaner antywirusowy poczty Wirtualnej Polski S. A. [wersja 2.0c] X-WP-AntySpam-Rezultat: NIE-SPAM Subject: Re: Technical questions and Newbie experience. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 21:42:03 -0000 On Wednesday 26 of May 2004 19:30, Olivier Gautherot wrote: > That's a good point. There are at least 2 types of newbies: > > 1) the "I have 50 years of experience in Solaris and you-name-IX and 5 > Linux distros and I'm starting with FreeBSD now" on one hand and Well, I don't think that people with 50-year experience in *NIXes subscribe to this group. FreeBSD isn't much different than most of UNIX-based OS'es that these people need any advice in running all the basic components they want. At least they know how to find the exact information they need. But in fact there is a group experienced in Linux'es who need to know little diffs between deamon and tux, and they are most often redirected to freebsd-questions. > 2) the "my room mate installed FreeBSD on my machine and I have just > discovered that there is an ON switch on the front panel" on the other Oh, these ones shouldn't install FreeBSD at all. They would rather prefer Mandrake or anything a bit simplier than BSD. After two moths of my own experience in FBSD I have to admit that not everything is as user-friendly as in Linux - begining with post-install XFree configuration ending with handling ports collection and bringing up sound. If someone isn't tought to read manuals the first months under BSD can be real road through hell for him/her. > Having been a newbie myself a few months ago (with fairly extensive > Linux background), I acknowledge that, even though the manual is really > good, it's a thick reading for people switching or simply starting with > computers (no flame, I don't mean to start a controversy about whether > FreeBSD is good for a very beginner :-). > > What I missed is a "Installation and first steps in FreeBSD in 10 > lessons". I know there are 1,000 web sites that claim this but I've > found no short document on the official FreeBSD web site telling you > where to look for info when you start - I was probably too eager to get > started... All software products I know have a "Getting started" guide > so I guess we should have one too (X in VESA mode, no sound, networking > in DHCP client - and pointers to the manual for 3D graphics support, > sound servers, firewall, NAT, DHCP server etc.) Right. Some simple HOW-TO's would be very helpful. For example a short introduction to XF86. But many of these can be taken from a large ammount of Linux guides. Personally, I will start a BSD-guide section as a part of my weblog and if someone wishes to participate in this, please e-mail me. Excuse me for using not-very-good english, but I still need to learn it a bit. Chris From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 26 18:58:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6952D16A4CE for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 18:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ganzman.no-ip.org (cable-181-97.inter.net.il [80.230.181.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2B343D39 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 18:58:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ganzman@ganzman.no-ip.org) Received: from [192.168.100.230] (account ganzman@ganzman.no-ip.org) by ganzman.no-ip.org (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.1.5) with HTTP id 1220191; Wed, 26 May 2004 23:41:27 -0400 From: "Ron Ganzer" To: "allegros2" , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.1.5 Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 23:41:27 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: First Time User X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 01:58:25 -0000 try doing # startx or #gdm or #kde if non works , you probably dont have a DM. if that is the case just go into /usr/ports/x11 go into either KDE/Gnome/fluxbox/whatever and do #make install clean after that youll need to configure the XF86Config and thats a whole other thing so we'll leave it till then :) On Tue, 25 May 2004 21:08:36 -0000 "allegros2" wrote: >*This message was transferred with a trial version of >CommuniGate(tm) Pro* >I have installed FreeBSD from CD; I boot to it via a BM >from >Paragon. It boots to Login: then after I lof=g in, I get >a >promtp$. Why am I in textmode? how do I get a GUI? >Thanks >F > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 26 18:58:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9646F16A4CE for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 18:58:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ganzman.no-ip.org (cable-181-97.inter.net.il [80.230.181.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB15A43D2D for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 18:58:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ganzman@ganzman.no-ip.org) Received: from [192.168.100.230] (account ganzman@ganzman.no-ip.org) by ganzman.no-ip.org (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.1.5) with HTTP id 1220199 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 May 2004 23:48:46 -0400 From: "Ron Ganzer" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.1.5 Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 23:48:46 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: question about fluxbox & xserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 01:58:26 -0000 hi all , i have FBSD 5.1 running for 4 month and it great..... HOWEVER i have two problems: 1) gnome works perfectly but when i try to run fluxbox i get XF86CONFIG doesnt have $display...... im at a loss here , any leads greatly apreciated. 2) i need to run an Xserver without a desktop manager - how ? thanks , Ron Ganzer From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 26 20:12:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFBB616A4CE for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 20:12:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B96A43D1D for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 20:12:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Wed, 26 May 2004 22:13:32 -0500 Message-ID: <40B55C92.4060602@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:12:18 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040406 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ron Ganzer References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2004 03:13:32.0640 (UTC) FILETIME=[97577E00:01C44398] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: question about fluxbox & xserver X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 03:12:43 -0000 Ron Ganzer wrote: > > hi all , > i have FBSD 5.1 running for 4 month and it great..... > > HOWEVER i have two problems: > > 1) gnome works perfectly but when i try to run fluxbox i get > XF86CONFIG doesnt have $display...... im at a loss here , any leads > greatly apreciated. > Hi! Please direct technical questions to questions@freebsd.org. 1] Set an environment variable --- in csh/tcsh it's "setenv DISPLAY num", where "num" is the display to connect to. Here's mine ... [/home/kadmin/scripts][21:45] % echo $DISPLAY :0.0 > > 2) i need to run an Xserver without a desktop manager - how ? > > thanks , > Ron Ganzer I assume you'd enter "startx" after setting ~/.xinitrc properly. Google about for sample .xinitrc files --- you can call apps w/o calling a window manager; that's what I'm assuming you want to do Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 26 21:12:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E88DF16A4CE for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 21:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns9.icdc.com (ns9.icdc.com [208.244.152.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5901343D39 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 21:12:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from csmith@icdc.com) Received: from WAND (pool-151-197-215-211.phil.east.verizon.net [151.197.215.211]) by ns9.icdc.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i4R48oRv021708 for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 00:08:51 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c443a0$f0627830$9b02a8c0@WAND> From: "Chauncey Smith" To: References: <005401c442c1$5ef878c0$9b02a8c0@WAND><1085599837.922.40.camel@ogautherot.og-lan.freesurf.fr> <200405262342.45591.krsr@wp.pl> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 00:13:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Subject: Re: Technical questions and Newbie experience. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 04:12:42 -0000 I have to admit to not falling into either of those groups. I have a back ground in computers and choose Free BSD for my Alpha server. Yea I'm so Geek I got one for Xmas one year. My OS choices.. Leave it win NT or try something new. I only had a little experience with Linux and that was a file and print server that did nothing else on my network.Well DHCP. but my problem was no nice documentation. I found Freebsd. I found the manuals and fiddled with the server. and before I got it up and running I decided I wanted to use the server for other things then just file and print. I"m like it's a 64 bit wide bus. Hey A web server Hey I have this big bootied raid array.. something. So I went on a search for an OS. Linux showed Linux stuff. a bunch of confusing distro's. FreeBSD offered one home for everything. and Ports. install software no /configure just make install clean. Heck one of my first scripts was "port" talk about lazy. I wrote a text file and typed the following lines. !/bin/csh sudo make && make install && make clean && rehash named it port and put it in the /usr/bin chmoded it executable. Now I just got into the ports directory and find what I want and type 'port'. Talk about lazy or insanely genius. But I feel in love with the hand book. I have an old copy in paper. and found the information never gets too old to be a good guide of how to start atleast. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krzysztof Sroka" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 7:42 PM Subject: Re: Technical questions and Newbie experience. > On Wednesday 26 of May 2004 19:30, Olivier Gautherot wrote: > > > That's a good point. There are at least 2 types of newbies: > > > > 1) the "I have 50 years of experience in Solaris and you-name-IX and 5 > > Linux distros and I'm starting with FreeBSD now" on one hand and > > Well, I don't think that people with 50-year experience in *NIXes subscribe to > this group. FreeBSD isn't much different than most of UNIX-based OS'es that > these people need any advice in running all the basic components they want. > At least they know how to find the exact information they need. But in fact > there is a group experienced in Linux'es who need to know little diffs > between deamon and tux, and they are most often redirected to > freebsd-questions. > > > 2) the "my room mate installed FreeBSD on my machine and I have just > > discovered that there is an ON switch on the front panel" on the other > > Oh, these ones shouldn't install FreeBSD at all. They would rather prefer > Mandrake or anything a bit simplier than BSD. After two moths of my own > experience in FBSD I have to admit that not everything is as user-friendly as > in Linux - begining with post-install XFree configuration ending with > handling ports collection and bringing up sound. If someone isn't tought to > read manuals the first months under BSD can be real road through hell for > him/her. > > > Having been a newbie myself a few months ago (with fairly extensive > > Linux background), I acknowledge that, even though the manual is really > > good, it's a thick reading for people switching or simply starting with > > computers (no flame, I don't mean to start a controversy about whether > > FreeBSD is good for a very beginner :-). > > > > What I missed is a "Installation and first steps in FreeBSD in 10 > > lessons". I know there are 1,000 web sites that claim this but I've > > found no short document on the official FreeBSD web site telling you > > where to look for info when you start - I was probably too eager to get > > started... All software products I know have a "Getting started" guide > > so I guess we should have one too (X in VESA mode, no sound, networking > > in DHCP client - and pointers to the manual for 3D graphics support, > > sound servers, firewall, NAT, DHCP server etc.) > > Right. Some simple HOW-TO's would be very helpful. For example a short > introduction to XF86. But many of these can be taken from a large ammount of > Linux guides. Personally, I will start a BSD-guide section as a part of my > weblog and if someone wishes to participate in this, please e-mail me. > > Excuse me for using not-very-good english, but I still need to learn it a bit. > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 26 22:26:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9081316A4CE for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 22:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from in.flite.net (in.flite.net [207.203.36.254]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106B443D39 for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 22:26:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hide110@us-it.net) Received: from Pestilence (cmrouter-manning.pionet.net [206.72.23.126] (may be forged)) by in.flite.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with SMTP id i4R5Q7Tr038655 for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 01:26:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from hide110@us-it.net) Message-ID: <000b01c443a2$ba4df290$9e00a8c0@Pestilence> From: "Huy" To: Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 00:26:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Subject: Book Recommendations X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 05:26:54 -0000 Anyone have any book recommendations for a concise tutorial of installing & getting freebsd up and running from scratch? I am just finding the online material slightly terse for me without any prior Unix experience. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 26 23:26:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2489C16A4CE for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 23:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875A843D1D for ; Wed, 26 May 2004 23:26:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uidzero@one-arm.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [166.102.52.71]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20040527062541.JQB3275.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@[192.168.0.2]>; Thu, 27 May 2004 01:25:41 -0500 Message-ID: <40B589EB.8000809@one-arm.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 01:25:47 -0500 From: uidzero User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (X11/20040523) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Huy , FreeBSD Newbies References: <000b01c443a2$ba4df290$9e00a8c0@Pestilence> In-Reply-To: <000b01c443a2$ba4df290$9e00a8c0@Pestilence> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Book Recommendations X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 06:26:30 -0000 Huy wrote: >Anyone have any book recommendations for a concise tutorial of installing & >getting freebsd up and running from scratch? I am just finding the online >material slightly terse for me without any prior Unix experience. > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > I bought and read and still refer back to Absolute BSD. It's one of the finer *BSD books I've read. It's helped (still) me with a lot of things I usually have problems with. Michael -- Michael D. Whities uidzero@one-arm.com http://www.one-arm.com -- There are four colors of hats to watch for: Black, White, Grey, and Red. The meanings are: Cracker, Hacker, Guru, and Victim. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 27 00:07:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3C916A4D0 for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 00:07:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp05.web.de (smtp05.web.de [217.72.192.209]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723FE43D49 for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 00:07:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from MarciOnMaillist@web.de) Received: from [217.236.222.24] (helo=[192.168.0.10]) by smtp05.web.de with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (WEB.DE 4.101 #91) id 1BTEye-0007K7-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 27 May 2004 09:06:56 +0200 Message-ID: <40B593B2.9020401@web.de> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:07:30 +0200 From: "MarciOnMaillist@web.de" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: MarciOnMaillist@web.de Subject: installing manpages X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 07:07:27 -0000 Hello alltogether. I have a little problem with my manpages. Ok that's what I've done until now. I've installed FreeBSD 5.2. on my firewall - server with the minimalistic installation. I've configured all and got it successfully running. But if i tried to open an manpage like "man ipfw" there is no manpage available. So I took via cvsup the doc-all = tag. and tried to make the manpages but nothing works. I also tried to install the manpages with the sysinstall - tool. but nothing happened. So can anyone help me please? What I have to do to get the manpages for my System? From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 27 01:42:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40EC716A4CE for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 01:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.tue.nl (mailhost.tue.nl [131.155.2.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A9A43D45 for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 01:42:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from V.Vandalon@student.tue.nl) Received: by mailhost.tue.nl (Postfix, from userid 40) id 243BA14BD6D; Thu, 27 May 2004 10:41:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from studentex6.student.tue.nl (studentex6.student.tue.nl [131.155.4.58]) by mailhost.tue.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83DEF14BD40; Thu, 27 May 2004 10:41:32 +0200 (CEST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 10:41:32 +0200 Message-ID: <15A800CA88C1EB4CBBA10B5390B158220154779D@studentex6.campus.tue.nl> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Book Recommendations Thread-Index: AcRDq0hV8rCPA5eDRRCp4mDzTvGxeAAGInhw From: "Vandalon, V." To: "Huy" , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on mailhost.tue.nl X-Spam-DCC: COLLEGEOFNEWCALEDONIA: mailhost.tue.nl 1189; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=6.3 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.61 X-Spam-Level: Subject: RE: Book Recommendations X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 08:42:06 -0000 Hi, I've also asked this question a while back on this list. And since then I've bought "Absolute BSD" and "FreeBSD unleashed".=20 They both describe the normal install both very well. Only "Unleashed" gives you more info on how to get X11 working ("Absolute BSD" only mentions X11 "Unleashed" touches the subject briefly). But I must say I like the writing style of "Absolute BSD".=20 They both assume some(not much) prior Unix skills, and I think "Unleashed" a bit assumes more. But I don't think that is a problem, you learn it by doing it anyway(I did). I also like to have a second opinion(=3D two books). As an example: both writers encourage a different firewall, and say why they like it more. But that's up to you and your wallet. Hope this will help you. Vincent Ps. I am currently at work, thus I don't have the books, so I could not check the "prior unix experience"-part. So if I remember incorrectly, please correct me! -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Huy Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 6:26 AM To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Book Recommendations Anyone have any book recommendations for a concise tutorial of installing & getting freebsd up and running from scratch? I am just finding the online material slightly terse for me without any prior Unix experience. _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 27 03:26:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC27E16A4CE for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 03:26:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vfemail.net (211.valeoinc.com [64.243.213.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5067243D3F for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 03:26:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lute@vfemail.net) Received: (qmail 44143 invoked by uid 85); 27 May 2004 10:26:23 -0000 Received: from lute@vfemail.net by mail.vfemail.net by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (clamscan: 0.60. spamassassin: 2.55. Clear:. Processed in 0.030987 secs); 27 May 2004 10:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO agnes) (lute@vfemail.net@63.229.187.130) by 211.valeoinc.com with SMTP; 27 May 2004 10:26:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 05:26:23 -0500 From: Lute Mullenix To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040527052623.527617f9@agnes> In-Reply-To: <000b01c443a2$ba4df290$9e00a8c0@Pestilence> References: <000b01c443a2$ba4df290$9e00a8c0@Pestilence> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.10claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Book Recommendations X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 10:26:47 -0000 I still have to recommend the one that got me actually up and running on FreeBSD. FreeBSD an Open Source Operating System for your Personal Computer. -- Lute It's OK to be different FreeBSD 5.2.1 RELEASE From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 27 05:55:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1CA16A4CF for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 05:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n068.sc1.cp.net (h14.rdg.cp.net [209.228.29.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E34A143D53 for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 05:55:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dxdad27@yahoo.co.uk) Received: from [81.168.37.142] (81.168.37.142) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.0.027.3-1) (authenticated as paul.brownsea) id 409F61CB0013046F for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 27 May 2004 12:53:53 +0000 From: Paul Brownsea To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:54:05 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200405271354.05376.dxdad27@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Installation problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:55:20 -0000 I downloaded and burned the FreeBSD 4.9 ISO images and I can't seem to install. I get past the bit with configuring the kernel but get stuck just afterwards, the last two messages are as follows: ad0: READ command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting ata0: resetting devices .. And then it just hangs. -- Yesterday I was a dog. Today I'm a dog. Tomorrow I'll probably still be a dog. Sigh! There's so little hope for advancement. -- Snoopy From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 27 07:52:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704D116A4CF for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 07:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ABC543D45 for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 07:52:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Thu, 27 May 2004 09:52:03 -0500 Message-ID: <40B6004A.6080901@daleco.biz> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:50:50 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040406 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Brownsea References: <200405271354.05376.dxdad27@yahoo.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200405271354.05376.dxdad27@yahoo.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2004 14:52:04.0312 (UTC) FILETIME=[2CA51D80:01C443FA] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installation problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:52:03 -0000 Paul Brownsea wrote: >I downloaded and burned the FreeBSD 4.9 ISO images and I can't seem to >install. I get past the bit with configuring the kernel but get stuck just >afterwards, the last two messages are as follows: > >ad0: READ command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting >ata0: resetting devices .. > >And then it just hangs. > > Please direct technical questions to the list at freebsd-questions@freebsd.org. This looks like a hardware issue, specifically the hard drive, but you'll get a better answer there. Be sure and do a little googling first, and tell 'em you're a "newb" so they'll go easy on ya ... (LOL, they probably will, anyway...) Good luck, Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 27 07:57:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C1F16A4CF for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 07:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B4A43D3F for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 07:57:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Thu, 27 May 2004 09:58:18 -0500 Message-ID: <40B601C2.5040501@daleco.biz> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:57:06 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040406 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "MarciOnMaillist@web.de" References: <40B593B2.9020401@web.de> In-Reply-To: <40B593B2.9020401@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2004 14:58:19.0421 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C3A34D0:01C443FB] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: installing manpages X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:57:51 -0000 MarciOnMaillist@web.de wrote: > Hello alltogether. > > I have a little problem with my manpages. > Ok that's what I've done until now. > I've installed FreeBSD 5.2. on my firewall - server with the > minimalistic installation. I've configured all and got it successfully > running. But if i tried to open an manpage like "man ipfw" there is no > manpage available. So I took via cvsup the doc-all = tag. and tried to > make the manpages but nothing works. I also tried to install the > manpages with the sysinstall - tool. but nothing happened. > > So can anyone help me please? What I have to do to get the manpages > for my System? Hello! FreeBSD technical questions should be asked at questions@freebsd.org. I'll give you a pointer, though. Check the contents of /usr/share/man. This is the location of the system manpages. If this folder is empty, or missing, you'll need to get the contents of the source folder, which is generally (/usr/)src/share. Running "make && make install" as root in /usr/src/share should install the manpages for you. If you already have manpages in /usr/share/man, then likely your manpath is not setup properly. Do you have "manpath.config" in /etc/ ? Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 27 15:20:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBCB16A4CF for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 15:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD5043D39 for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 15:20:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cgkerns@comcast.net) Received: from comcast.net (pcp915200pcs.brndml01.va.comcast.net[68.57.80.58]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040527221959012007hm3ie> (Authid: cgkerns); Thu, 27 May 2004 22:19:59 +0000 Message-ID: <40B6698D.6090409@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 18:19:57 -0400 From: "Charles G. Kerns" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: iso information X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 22:20:43 -0000 How do I find out what's in the iso images and how the CD's are organized without dowloading and burning them? Charles Kerns From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 28 02:11:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BEA16A4CE for ; Fri, 28 May 2004 02:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DFB243D3F for ; Fri, 28 May 2004 02:11:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-newbies@m.gmane.org) Received: from root by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BTdOG-0000gi-00 for ; Fri, 28 May 2004 11:11:00 +0200 Received: from r2i215.mistral.cz ([62.245.72.215]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 28 May 2004 11:11:00 +0200 Received: from element by r2i215.mistral.cz with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 28 May 2004 11:11:00 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Pavel Duda Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:48:02 +0200 Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <000b01c443a2$ba4df290$9e00a8c0@Pestilence> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: r2i215.mistral.cz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <000b01c443a2$ba4df290$9e00a8c0@Pestilence> Sender: news Subject: Re: Book Recommendations X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:11:18 -0000 Huy wrote: > Anyone have any book recommendations for a concise tutorial of installing & > getting freebsd up and running from scratch? I am just finding the online > material slightly terse for me without any prior Unix experience. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I've recently bought "Absolute BSD" and it is very good. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 28 07:34:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6E016A4CE for ; Fri, 28 May 2004 07:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023D743D2F for ; Fri, 28 May 2004 07:34:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wolsen@erols.com) Received: from 216-164-147-200.s1724.apx2.atn.pa.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.147.200] helo=RxQUILTER) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #7) id 1BTiRK-0006mc-00; Fri, 28 May 2004 10:34:30 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01c444c0$e89bc9f0$c893a4d8@RxQUILTER> From: "MaryAnne Olsen" To: , "Pavel Duda" References: <000b01c443a2$ba4df290$9e00a8c0@Pestilence> Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 10:34:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: Re: Book Recommendations X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 14:34:53 -0000 My favorite is FreeBSD, An Open-Source Operating System For Your Personal Computer, Second , Second Edition. by Annelise Anderson, The Bit Tree Press. This book will start you from scratch. It did for me. I also used The Complete FreeBSD by Greg Lehey. I bellieve he has a newer book out. mine was from Walnut Creek CDROM Books with 4 CDROMS. A real oldie. Then go to Absolute BSD by Michael Lucas, No Starch Press ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pavel Duda" To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 7:48 AM Subject: Re: Book Recommendations > Huy wrote: > > Anyone have any book recommendations for a concise tutorial of installing & > > getting freebsd up and running from scratch? I am just finding the online > > material slightly terse for me without any prior Unix experience. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > I've recently bought "Absolute BSD" and it is very good. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 28 10:28:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD1616A4CE for ; Fri, 28 May 2004 10:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fidel.freesurf.fr (fidel.freesurf.fr [212.43.206.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988C343D1F for ; Fri, 28 May 2004 10:28:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ogautherot@freesurf.fr) Received: from [62.240.243.229] (62-240-243-229.adsl.claranet.fr [62.240.243.229]) by fidel.freesurf.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B36872A6796; Fri, 28 May 2004 19:27:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Olivier Gautherot To: Chauncey Smith In-Reply-To: <001601c443a0$f0627830$9b02a8c0@WAND> References: <005401c442c1$5ef878c0$9b02a8c0@WAND> <1085599837.922.40.camel@ogautherot.og-lan.freesurf.fr> <001601c443a0$f0627830$9b02a8c0@WAND> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1085765292.40080.3.camel@ogautherot.og-lan.freesurf.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 19:28:12 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technical questions and Newbie experience. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:28:21 -0000 Hi Chauncey! About your port command: > !/bin/csh > sudo make && make install && make clean && rehash I think you should try: sudo (make && make install ; make clean; rehash) or packages that fail in the middle will unnecessarily take up space for their objects. By the way, a simple "make install" should do the same as "make && make install" (the port will be compiled anyway before it is installed). My cent worth... :-) Olivier From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 28 19:10:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EEE916A4CF for ; Fri, 28 May 2004 19:10:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9611343D3F for ; Fri, 28 May 2004 19:10:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i4T2ALik043364 for ; Fri, 28 May 2004 19:10:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i4T2ALqx043353 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 28 May 2004 19:10:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 19:10:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200405290210.i4T2ALqx043353@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 02:10:35 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 29 05:02:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B173E16A4CE for ; Sat, 29 May 2004 05:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from terpsi.otenet.gr (terpsi.otenet.gr [195.170.0.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C88F43D39 for ; Sat, 29 May 2004 05:02:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-b210.otenet.gr [212.205.244.218]) by terpsi.otenet.gr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4TC1fpf004940; Sat, 29 May 2004 15:01:42 +0300 (EEST) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i4TC1fKE062481; Sat, 29 May 2004 15:01:41 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i4TC1f7E062480; Sat, 29 May 2004 15:01:41 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 15:01:41 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Charles G. Kerns" Message-ID: <20040529120141.GA48934@gothmog.gr> References: <40B6698D.6090409@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <40B6698D.6090409@comcast.net> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: iso information X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 12:02:02 -0000 On 2004-05-27 18:19, "Charles G. Kerns" wrote: > How do I find out what's in the iso images and how the CD's are > organized without dowloading and burning them? You might find the following articles interesting: http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/releng/article.html#RELEASE-BUILD http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/releng-packages/article.html The contents of a specific release-subdirectory in one of the mirrors will help you find out what is contained in a full FreeBSD release, see for instance this FTP directory: ftp://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/5.2.1-RELEASE/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 29 13:20:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3AF016A4CE; Sat, 29 May 2004 13:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C047543D48; Sat, 29 May 2004 13:20:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rpratt1950@earthlink.net) Received: from user166.net317.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([65.40.2.166] helo=kt.weeble.com) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BUAJ5-0004Az-00; Sat, 29 May 2004 13:19:52 -0700 Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 16:20:36 -0400 From: Randy Pratt To: "Charles G. Kerns" Message-Id: <20040529162036.567a9e68.rpratt1950@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <40B6698D.6090409@comcast.net> References: <40B6698D.6090409@comcast.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.10 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.10) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: iso information X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 20:20:27 -0000 On Thu, 27 May 2004 18:19:57 -0400 "Charles G. Kerns" wrote: > How do I find out what's in the iso images and how the CD's are > organized without dowloading and burning them? > > Charles Kerns I looked around the website for a list of disc contents but couldn't seem to locate one. I was almost positive that it was going to be included as part of this release since it was discussed during the last release. In any event, I had downloaded the discs for advocacy purposes and did an "ls -RFla" of each disc: The full installation disc: http://myfreebsd.homeunix.net/4.10-R-i386-disc1-contents.txt The recovery (live-filesystem) disc: http://myfreebsd.homeunix.net/4.10-R-i386-disc2-contents.txt The mini-installation (no 3rd party packages) disc: http://myfreebsd.homeunix.net/4.10-R-i386-miniinst-contents.txt Note that the mini-installation disc only contains the base operating system; ie, no XFree86, no window managers, no packages. The recovery disc (disc2) is not needed during the installation and does not contain any packages. If you have need to ask further questions about the discs, the freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list would be the best place to ask. Best regards, Randy --