From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 11 07:10:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B4F16A4CE; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 07:10:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9227543D2F; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 07:10:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48AF3AE096; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 00:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 51654-06; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 00:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 50694AE08E; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 00:10:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040711071007.50694AE08E@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 00:10:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2004-06-20 - 2004-07-10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 07:10:15 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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These are the articles posted during this period: 23-Jun : USENIX'04 ATC I'll be there! http://freebsddiary.org/usenix-atc-2004.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 11 18:37:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C27416A4CE; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 18:37:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from linares.terra.com.br (linares.terra.com.br [200.154.55.228]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 986A243D1F; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 18:37:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from paulofonsecajr@terra.com.br) Received: from estero.terra.com.br (estero.terra.com.br [200.154.55.138]) by linares.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6621DDC629; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 15:37:31 -0300 (BRT) Received: from zumba.com (2-224.ctame701-2.telepar.net.br [200.181.170.224]) (authenticated user paulofonsecajr@terra.com.br) by estero.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528D73C017; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 15:37:30 -0300 (BRT) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 15:37:46 -0300 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-www@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org" References: <20040709232917.7f1f68d1@localhost> From: "Paulo Fonseca Jr." Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera M2/7.51 (Linux, build 689) Subject: Sounds on Opera X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 18:37:33 -0000 Hi Arjan, you're right. I removed linuxpluginwrapper and flash plugin keeps ok. But sounds not working on Opera yet on flash web pages as much as java applets, only images. The "Enable sound in web pages" are checked in preferences. what's happen with it. Paulo. On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:17:29 +0200, Arjan Van Leeuwen wrote: > Hi Paolo, > > You don't need the linuxpluginwrapper if you're using linux-opera, > only if you're using FreeBSD Opera. In that last case, it will only > work on FreeBSD 4.x, that's why you received a message that flash > support was unavailable. > > linux-opera should work with linux-flashplugin{6,7} out of the box. > > Arjan > > On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:23:38 -0300, Paulo Fonseca Jr. > wrote: >> Ok! >> >> Linux-Opera is just fine with flashplayer now on freebsd 5.1. >> >> make install on /usr/ports/www/linux-opera >> make install on /usr/ports/www/linux-flashplugin >> recompile and install /usr/src/libexec/rtld-elf and >> make /usr/ports/linuxpluginwrapper >> >> it'll runs ok! >> >> On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:01:56 -0300, Paulo Fonseca Jr. >> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Arjan, >> > >> > I running now: >> > /usr/ports/www/linux-opera >> > /usr/ports/www/linux-flashplugin >> > /usr/ports/www/linuxpluginwrapper >> > >> > I received the message "Flash6 with Opera is not avilable." on make of >> > linuxpluginwrapper, but in browser, the shockwave flash plugin is >> > active. I set up my browser to identify as Mozilla but web pages that >> > use flash do not work fine. Can you send me some web page address that >> > use flash ? www.globo.com or www.cursoaprovacao.com.br not work >> > correctly. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Paulo. >> > >> > On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:27:57 +0200, Arjan Van Leeuwen >> > wrote: >> > >> >> On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 23:29:17 -0400, epilogue >> >> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 21:49:14 -0300 >> >>> "Paulo Fonseca Jr." wrote: >> >>> >> >>> > I'm trying to enable flash plug-in on freebsd 5.1 like this: >> >>> > >> >>> > 1) cd /usr/ports/www/linux-flashplayer >> >>> > make install clean >> >>> > it's ok >> >>> > >> >>> > 2) Tools -> Preferences -> Plug-ins -> Change path >> >>> > the working path is: opera; >> >>> > /usr/X11R6/share/opera/plugins:/usr/local/lib/flash/ >> >>> > it's fine >> >>> > >> >>> > 3) when opera starts with "opera -debugplugin" command the message >> >>> below >> >>> > occurs: >> >>> >> >>> judging by the command above, you're using the 'native' version of >> >>> opera >> >>> (that is to say, opera for freebsd). is there any reason you would >> >>> expect >> >>> the LINUX-flashplayer to work? :P >> >>> >> >>> try /usr/ports/www/flashpluginwrapper for the native version OR >> install >> >>> /usr/ports/www/linux-opera. either should solve your problem. >> >> >> >> Use www/linuxpluginwrapper instead of www/flashpluginwrapper - it's >> >> newer, better maintained and supports a newer version of the Flash >> >> player. >> >> >> >> That said, it doesn't work with native Opera on FreeBSD 5.x - only on >> >> 4.x. So if you want Flash in Opera on FreeBSD 5.x, use linux-opera. >> >> >> >> Arjan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> >> Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. >> >> Scan engine: VirusScan / Atualizado em 08/07/2004 / Verṣo: 1.5.2 >> >> Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. > Scan engine: VirusScan / Atualizado em 08/07/2004 / Verṣo: 1.5.2 > Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 04:14:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A9E16A4CE; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 04:14:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from outbox.allstream.net (outbox.allstream.net [207.245.244.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB8E543D1D; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 04:14:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from epilogue@allstream.net) Received: from localhost (mon-pq61-165.dial.allstream.net [216.123.143.93]) by outbox.allstream.net (Allstream MTA) with SMTP id E088B1EC38F; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 00:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 00:13:51 -0400 From: epilogue To: "Paulo Fonseca Jr." Message-Id: <20040712001351.56683261@localhost> In-Reply-To: References: <20040709232917.7f1f68d1@localhost> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.10) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: "freebsd-www@freebsd.org" cc: avleeuwen@gmail.com cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" cc: "freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Sounds on Opera X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 04:14:18 -0000 On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 15:37:46 -0300 "Paulo Fonseca Jr." wrote: > Hi Arjan, >=20 > you're right. I removed linuxpluginwrapper and flash plugin keeps ok. But > =20 > sounds not working on Opera yet on flash web pages as much as java =20 > applets, only images. The "Enable sound in web pages" are checked in =20 > preferences. >=20 > what's happen with it. hello paulo, glad to hear that you got flash working. sorry for pointing you toward an obsolete version of the port (and THANKS arjan for catching that :) for my part, i've never bothered to get flash audio working. sorry that i cannot help you with that. i am writing, however, to suggest that you take a minute to review the purpose for each mailing list *before* using them to contact other freebsd users with your help requests. see http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo (from this page, you can click on a list to see a summary page for that list) hopefully a couple of examples will make this clear: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-www A mailing list that allows you to send mail to the Webmasters, the managers of FreeBSD Project web servers (not web servers that hosted on FreeBSD computers). (do you really want to mail the freebsd webmasters?) http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies Welcome to FreeBSD! This list is a gathering place for people new to FreeBSD. Please feel free to share your experiences with others on this list. Support questions should be sent to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org. (hmmm. looks like they don't provide support) anyhow. the short story is that, for 99.87% of the questions you're likely to have, freebsd-questions is the right place. please don't spam the other lists. good luck getting your flash audio working. i'm sure that someone will eventually be able to help you out. cheers, epi p.s. another good habit to develop is taking the time to search the archives. this question may already have been answered for another user. i am not saying that it has, but you never know until you look. ;) to reach the archives for any list, check out the link on its summary page. *** To any posters who may reply to this thread: please exclude the other lists going forward. gracias. *** > Paulo. >=20 > On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:17:29 +0200, Arjan Van Leeuwen =20 > wrote: >=20 > > Hi Paolo, > > > > You don't need the linuxpluginwrapper if you're using linux-opera, > > only if you're using FreeBSD Opera. In that last case, it will only > > work on FreeBSD 4.x, that's why you received a message that flash > > support was unavailable. > > > > linux-opera should work with linux-flashplugin{6,7} out of the box. > > > > Arjan > > > > On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:23:38 -0300, Paulo Fonseca Jr. > > wrote: > >> Ok! > >> > >> Linux-Opera is just fine with flashplayer now on freebsd 5.1. > >> > >> make install on /usr/ports/www/linux-opera > >> make install on /usr/ports/www/linux-flashplugin > >> recompile and install /usr/src/libexec/rtld-elf and > >> make /usr/ports/linuxpluginwrapper > >> > >> it'll runs ok! > >> > >> On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:01:56 -0300, Paulo Fonseca Jr. > >> > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Arjan, > >> > > >> > I running now: > >> > /usr/ports/www/linux-opera > >> > /usr/ports/www/linux-flashplugin > >> > /usr/ports/www/linuxpluginwrapper > >> > > >> > I received the message "Flash6 with Opera is not avilable." on make > >of> > linuxpluginwrapper, but in browser, the shockwave flash plugin is > >> > active. I set up my browser to identify as Mozilla but web pages > >that> > use flash do not work fine. Can you send me some web page > >address that> > use flash ? www.globo.com or www.cursoaprovacao.com.br > >not work> > correctly. > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > Paulo. > >> > > >> > On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:27:57 +0200, Arjan Van Leeuwen > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 23:29:17 -0400, epilogue > >> >> wrote: > >> >>> On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 21:49:14 -0300 > >> >>> "Paulo Fonseca Jr." wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> > I'm trying to enable flash plug-in on freebsd 5.1 like this: > >> >>> > > >> >>> > 1) cd /usr/ports/www/linux-flashplayer > >> >>> > make install clean > >> >>> > it's ok > >> >>> > > >> >>> > 2) Tools -> Preferences -> Plug-ins -> Change path > >> >>> > the working path is: opera; > >> >>> > /usr/X11R6/share/opera/plugins:/usr/local/lib/flash/ > >> >>> > it's fine > >> >>> > > >> >>> > 3) when opera starts with "opera -debugplugin" command the > >message> >>> below > >> >>> > occurs: > >> >>> > >> >>> judging by the command above, you're using the 'native' version of > >> >>> opera > >> >>> (that is to say, opera for freebsd). is there any reason you > >would> >>> expect > >> >>> the LINUX-flashplayer to work? :P > >> >>> > >> >>> try /usr/ports/www/flashpluginwrapper for the native version OR =20 > >> install > >> >>> /usr/ports/www/linux-opera. either should solve your problem. > >> >> > >> >> Use www/linuxpluginwrapper instead of www/flashpluginwrapper - it's > >> >> newer, better maintained and supports a newer version of the Flash > >> >> player. > >> >> > >> >> That said, it doesn't work with native Opera on FreeBSD 5.x - only > >on> >> 4.x. So if you want Flash in Opera on FreeBSD 5.x, use > >linux-opera.> >> > >> >> Arjan > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >> >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> >> > >> >> Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. > >> >> Scan engine: VirusScan / Atualizado em 08/07/2004 / Vers=C3=A3o: 1.= 5.2 > >> >> Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to =20 > >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to =20 > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. > > Scan engine: VirusScan / Atualizado em 08/07/2004 / Vers=C3=A3o: 1.5.2 > > Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 15:00:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD2916A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:00:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from godzilla.vipstructures.com (godzilla.vipstructures.com [216.175.208.252]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF1B43D2D for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:00:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from etoll@vipstructures.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.vipstructures.com [127.0.0.1]) by godzilla.vipstructures.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E97828482 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from godzilla.vipstructures.com ([127.0.0.1])port 10024) with ESMTP id 25487-10 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mothra.vipstructures.com (mothra.vipstructures.com [192.168.1.3]) by godzilla.vipstructures.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C5AB28480 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:00:41 -0400 (EDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:00:41 -0400 Message-ID: <9BC86C67C3AF7646B9C5382020457A9456DE5A@VIP10-WIN2K> From: "Eric Toll" To: X-Antivirus: checked by Norton Anti Virus X-MTA-Mailer: Postfix 2 by Wietse Venema - http://www.postfix.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on godzilla.vipstructures.com Subject: Agp0 probe forced my to use floppy kernel in 5.2.1 Release X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:00:43 -0000 Hello list! I had a *hell* of a time trying to get FreeBSD 5.2.1 installed on a = Netserver E60. PII 450 SCSI During the agp0 probe the system would lock up tight. Here's what I did. Made some floppies, (since they don't have AGP = support on them) Booted System, went thru the whole install and then = right before Exiting Install, I ran an Emergency Shell on TTY4. Then I FTP'd the gunziped kernel file into /boot/kernel. Then rebooted = system. (From another 5.2.1 box) System came up fine (no lockup) but now I have no ethernet, yet the std = boot and mfsroot floppies do have an Intel nic driver on them that = works, after all I used the floppy boot discs to FTP the floppy kernel = onto my scsi HD. Geesh, what an ordeal. (If you didn't know how to go about it as I = didn't) What am I doing wrong? Is this the wrong way? I tried to let the HD boot = up to the loader prompt after the 5.2.1 install and then set = currdev=3D/dev/fd0 and then do a load kernel (this did not work), and = then to a setcurrdev=3D so I can boot from it but no luck. Anyway my machine is up but it's pretty useless without Network... Tips, pointers, misc. info would be much appreciated. TIA Eric From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 15:23:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE5C516A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:23:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail3.spm1.com (host164.spmloans.com [209.210.151.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71EDB43D39 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:23:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linux0642@sbcglobal.net) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1])SMTP id A90A4484941 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.4.194] (unknown [192.168.4.194]) id 0520A484955 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <40F2ACD5.8000306@sbcglobal.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:23:01 -0700 From: Eddie User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: SSH port forwarding and Webmin X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:23:38 -0000 I have webmin installed on a brand new installation of FreeBSD 5.2.1. I tunnel port 10000 to my localhost and connect to wemin like this: http://127.0.0.1:10000 I always connect to webmin this way, with all *nix machines I admin. This does not seem to work with FreeBSD 5.2.1. It does work out of the box for other versions (4.7 and 4.8 at least) of FreeBSD though. Is there some rule somewhere preventing port forwarding in 5.2? Here's my netstat output: bsd3c# netstat -nat Active Internet connections (including servers) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address (state) tcp4 0 0 192.168.1.19.22 69.91.145.220.46031 ESTABLISHED tcp4 0 0 127.0.0.1.25 *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 *.22 *.* LISTEN tcp6 0 0 *.22 *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 *.10000 *.* LISTEN udp4 0 0 *.10000 *.* udp4 0 0 *.514 *.* udp6 0 0 *.514 *.* webmin is running and listening on port 10000 as it's supposed to, and I can connect to webmin on the localhost with links. The sshd config file gives no indication that tunneling is disabled, and it has not been modified in any way. I would be glad to hear what anyone's thoughts are on this. Eddie From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 16:36:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC4416A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:36:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from godzilla.vipstructures.com (godzilla.vipstructures.com [216.175.208.252]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC5543D53 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:36:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from etoll@vipstructures.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.vipstructures.com [127.0.0.1]) by godzilla.vipstructures.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0152844B for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from godzilla.vipstructures.com ([127.0.0.1])port 10024) with ESMTP id 26037-05 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mothra.vipstructures.com (mothra.vipstructures.com [192.168.1.3]) by godzilla.vipstructures.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9675E28440 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:36:25 -0400 (EDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:36:25 -0400 Message-ID: <9BC86C67C3AF7646B9C5382020457A9456DE5F@VIP10-WIN2K> From: "Eric Toll" To: "Eddie" , X-Antivirus: checked by Norton Anti Virus X-MTA-Mailer: Postfix 2 by Wietse Venema - http://www.postfix.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on godzilla.vipstructures.com Subject: RE: SSH port forwarding and Webmin X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:36:28 -0000 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org=20 > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Eddie > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 11:23 AM > To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: SSH port forwarding and Webmin >=20 > I have webmin installed on a brand new installation of=20 > FreeBSD 5.2.1. I tunnel port 10000 to my localhost and=20 > connect to wemin like this: >=20 > http://127.0.0.1:10000 >=20 > I always connect to webmin this way, with all *nix machines I admin.=20 > This does not seem to work with FreeBSD 5.2.1. It does work=20 > out of the box for other versions (4.7 and 4.8 at least) of=20 > FreeBSD though. Is there some rule somewhere preventing port=20 > forwarding in 5.2? Here's my netstat output: >=20 > bsd3c# netstat -nat > Active Internet connections (including servers) > Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address =20 > (state) > tcp4 0 0 192.168.1.19.22 69.91.145.220.46031 =20 > ESTABLISHED > tcp4 0 0 127.0.0.1.25 *.* =20 > LISTEN > tcp4 0 0 *.22 *.* =20 > LISTEN > tcp6 0 0 *.22 *.* =20 > LISTEN > tcp4 0 0 *.10000 *.* =20 > LISTEN > udp4 0 0 *.10000 *.* =20 > udp4 0 0 *.514 *.* =20 > udp6 0 0 *.514 *.* =20 >=20 > webmin is running and listening on port 10000 as it's=20 > supposed to, and I can connect to webmin on the localhost=20 > with links. The sshd config file gives no indication that=20 > tunneling is disabled, and it has not been modified in any way. >=20 > I would be glad to hear what anyone's thoughts are on this. >=20 > Eddie >=20 Perhaps the router/NAT device will allow you to forward 10000 to 22, and = leave the FreeBSD default. More of a workaround than a solution. Only thought I had. (can someone help me with my question?) Eric From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 16:42:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D1216A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:42:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E24743D1D for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:42:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from d3c3it-linux@ntlworld.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([213.106.176.22]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040712164252.BXMO1031.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:42:52 +0100 From: Glyn Tebbutt To: Freebsd-Newbies Mailinglist Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1089650530.11432.9.camel@frozen.lazarus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:42:19 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Realtek RTL-8139 Nic & FreeBSD 5.2.1 Install X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:42:46 -0000 Hi all Im completely new to Freebsd and bsd in general, have been using linux for the past 2years and windows for work reasons but i have recently made room for freebsd on 1 of my pcs. This box has a Realtek RTL 8139/8139C/8139C+ (according to lspci) nic. On the linux kernel and obv windows, i have no problem, but when i pop in the freebsd install disc and start the install process the nic indicator on my router goes from green to orange. I can ping the box and ping from the box around my lan but when i try and ping the outside world, i get nothing. I've searched around on google but i cant find that much information regarding freebsd and this nic. i did read it was supported but i cant seem to get it to work. If im best off buying a new card then ill do that but id rather not have to. Thanks for any replies ps this maybe not the best place to post this but i thought it was worth a try -- *-----------------------------------------------------* | Glyn Tebbutt | d3c3it-linux@ntlworld.com | |--------------' http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d3c3it | | Lisa, if you dont like your job you dont strike, | | You just go in everyday and do it really half-assed | | Thats the American way. -Homer Simpson | *-----------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 16:53:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB9116A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:53:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from godzilla.vipstructures.com (godzilla.vipstructures.com [216.175.208.252]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB57543D3F for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:53:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from etoll@vipstructures.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.vipstructures.com [127.0.0.1]) by godzilla.vipstructures.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA1D28457 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from godzilla.vipstructures.com ([127.0.0.1])port 10024) with ESMTP id 26235-01 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mothra.vipstructures.com (mothra.vipstructures.com [192.168.1.3]) by godzilla.vipstructures.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9207D28430 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:52:58 -0400 (EDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:52:58 -0400 Message-ID: <9BC86C67C3AF7646B9C5382020457A9456DE61@VIP10-WIN2K> From: "Eric Toll" To: "Glyn Tebbutt" X-Antivirus: checked by Norton Anti Virus X-MTA-Mailer: Postfix 2 by Wietse Venema - http://www.postfix.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on godzilla.vipstructures.com cc: Freebsd-Newbies Mailinglist Subject: RE: Realtek RTL-8139 Nic & FreeBSD 5.2.1 Install X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:53:01 -0000 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org=20 > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Glyn Tebbutt > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:42 PM > To: Freebsd-Newbies Mailinglist > Subject: Realtek RTL-8139 Nic & FreeBSD 5.2.1 Install >=20 > Hi all > Im completely new to Freebsd and bsd in general, have been=20 > green to orange. I can ping the box and ping from the box=20 > around my lan but when i try and ping the outside world, i=20 What does ifconfig say from prompt? I assume you have a DHCP server or = have manually typed in the IP address for your FreeBSD machine. Perhaps = it's a DNS issue. Ping www.yahoo.com from another machine (NOT all = "world" or Internet hosts allow ping or ICMP - yahoo does) Note the IP address that = your other machine resolves www.yahoo.com into. Take this IP number and = try pinging it? Try and ping your router or def gate from the BSD box. . . You state your router goes from green to orange, there may also be an = incorrect speed/duplex negotiation going on somewhere. I have always had good luck with 3com cards. HTH Eric From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 16:57:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B527716A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:57:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay2-dav18.bay2.hotmail.com [65.54.246.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C0043D49 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:57:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from whitevamp47@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:57:01 -0700 Received: from 4.4.71.78 by bay2-dav18.bay2.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:57:01 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.4.71.78] X-Originating-Email: [whitevamp47@hotmail.com] X-Sender: whitevamp47@hotmail.com From: "whitevamp" To: "Glyn Tebbutt" , "Freebsd-Newbies Mailinglist" References: <1089650530.11432.9.camel@frozen.lazarus.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:57:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2004 16:57:01.0500 (UTC) FILETIME=[4051B7C0:01C46831] Subject: Re: Realtek RTL-8139 Nic & FreeBSD 5.2.1 Install X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:57:01 -0000 just a thought try this .. in /etc/sysctl.conf place this line net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glyn Tebbutt" To: "Freebsd-Newbies Mailinglist" Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 9:42 AM Subject: Realtek RTL-8139 Nic & FreeBSD 5.2.1 Install > Hi all > Im completely new to Freebsd and bsd in general, have been using linux > for the past 2years and windows for work reasons but i have recently > made room for freebsd on 1 of my pcs. This box has a Realtek RTL > 8139/8139C/8139C+ (according to lspci) nic. On the linux kernel and obv > windows, i have no problem, but when i pop in the freebsd install disc > and start the install process the nic indicator on my router goes from > green to orange. I can ping the box and ping from the box around my lan > but when i try and ping the outside world, i get nothing. I've searched > around on google but i cant find that much information regarding freebsd > and this nic. i did read it was supported but i cant seem to get it to > work. If im best off buying a new card then ill do that but id rather > not have to. > > Thanks for any replies > > ps this maybe not the best place to post this but i thought it was worth > a try > -- > *-----------------------------------------------------* > | Glyn Tebbutt | d3c3it-linux@ntlworld.com | > |--------------' http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d3c3it | > | Lisa, if you dont like your job you dont strike, | > | You just go in everyday and do it really half-assed | > | Thats the American way. -Homer Simpson | > *-----------------------------------------------------* > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 16:59:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E29AF16A4D3 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:59:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web41509.mail.yahoo.com (web41509.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.92]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C142A43D1F for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:59:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dcaffey_fl@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040712165921.62416.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.8.2.98] by web41509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:59:21 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:59:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Dominic Caffey To: Newbies FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Drivers floppy for FreeBSD 4.10 - Need xl(4) driver to do FTP install...from floppies X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:59:22 -0000 Dear FreeBSD Newbies, I am trying to install FreeBSD 4.10 via FTP. I downloaded the fixit, kern & mfsroot floppies and feed them to the machine as they're requested. Problem is that when I get to the kernel modules configuration, there is no driver for my network card, 3Com3c905 PCI. I checked the hardware notes at http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.10R/hardware-i386.html and http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=xl&sektion=4&manpath=FreeBSD+4.10-RELEASE and the card I'm trying to use is definitely supported but I see no way to make it available to the installation process and I couldn't find a drivers floppy for the 4.10 release. How do I make the "xl(4)" driver available to the install process? A little guidance or referral to a faq would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dom ===== +------------------------------ | Dominic Caffey | Email: dcaffey_fl@yahoo.com +------------------------------ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 17:38:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854AB16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:38:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9795543D45 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:38:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from d3c3it-linux@ntlworld.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([213.106.176.22]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040712173105.FKLN4670.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:31:05 +0100 From: Glyn Tebbutt To: Freebsd-Newbies Mailinglist In-Reply-To: References: <1089650530.11432.9.camel@frozen.lazarus.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-fYTSTsCkZYg6z7xcG5CP" Message-Id: <1089653471.27775.36.camel@frozen.lazarus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:31:21 +0100 Subject: Re: Realtek RTL-8139 Nic & FreeBSD 5.2.1 Install X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:38:33 -0000 --=-fYTSTsCkZYg6z7xcG5CP Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would this affect the install process because i've not even got freebsd to install yet this problem arises as soon as the install process is at the installer :? On Mon, 2004-07-12 at 17:57, whitevamp wrote: > just a thought try this .. > in /etc/sysctl.conf place this line > net.inet.ip.forwarding=3D1 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Glyn Tebbutt" > To: "Freebsd-Newbies Mailinglist" > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 9:42 AM > Subject: Realtek RTL-8139 Nic & FreeBSD 5.2.1 Install >=20 >=20 > > Hi all > > Im completely new to Freebsd and bsd in general, have been using linux > > for the past 2years and windows for work reasons but i have recently > > made room for freebsd on 1 of my pcs. This box has a Realtek RTL > > 8139/8139C/8139C+ (according to lspci) nic. On the linux kernel and obv > > windows, i have no problem, but when i pop in the freebsd install disc > > and start the install process the nic indicator on my router goes from > > green to orange. I can ping the box and ping from the box around my lan > > but when i try and ping the outside world, i get nothing. I've searched > > around on google but i cant find that much information regarding freebs= d > > and this nic. i did read it was supported but i cant seem to get it to > > work. If im best off buying a new card then ill do that but id rather > > not have to. > > > > Thanks for any replies > > > > ps this maybe not the best place to post this but i thought it was wort= h > > a try > > --=20 > > *-----------------------------------------------------* > > | Glyn Tebbutt | d3c3it-linux@ntlworld.com | > > |--------------' http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d3c3it | > > | Lisa, if you dont like your job you dont strike, | > > | You just go in everyday and do it really half-assed | > > | Thats the American way. -Homer Simpson | > > *-----------------------------------------------------* > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " --=20 *-----------------------------------------------------* | Glyn Tebbutt | d3c3it-linux@ntlworld.com | |--------------' http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d3c3it | | Lisa, if you dont like your job you dont strike, | | You just go in everyday and do it really half-assed |=20 | Thats the American way. -Homer Simpson | *-----------------------------------------------------* --=-fYTSTsCkZYg6z7xcG5CP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBA8srfMmCtbXGg1+4RAv2EAJ4+17NWZT8RCGjhzsxP1PjroRL3rwCeLohT s3Jo8P07+zAJPJOBDvY5JMc= =1YW4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-fYTSTsCkZYg6z7xcG5CP-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 17:48:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 827DF16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:48:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9408943D3F for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:48:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from d3c3it-linux@ntlworld.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([213.106.176.22]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040712173328.FNLA3241.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:33:28 +0100 From: Glyn Tebbutt To: Freebsd-Newbies Mailinglist In-Reply-To: <9BC86C67C3AF7646B9C5382020457A9456DE61@VIP10-WIN2K> References: <9BC86C67C3AF7646B9C5382020457A9456DE61@VIP10-WIN2K> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1089653688.28399.1.camel@frozen.lazarus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:34:48 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Realtek RTL-8139 Nic & FreeBSD 5.2.1 Install X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:48:45 -0000 The thing is this is just the install, i've not even got past that yet because of the problem with this nic, because i want to update my ports etc but if my nic is not working, i've no where to go. My router connects to my cable line which then gives dhcp to all my pcs on my lan, so each pc picks up it's ip thou dhcp. Is there a way to get a command line during install ? On Mon, 2004-07-12 at 17:52, Eric Toll wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Glyn Tebbutt > > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:42 PM > > To: Freebsd-Newbies Mailinglist > > Subject: Realtek RTL-8139 Nic & FreeBSD 5.2.1 Install > > > > Hi all > > Im completely new to Freebsd and bsd in general, have been > > green to orange. I can ping the box and ping from the box > > around my lan but when i try and ping the outside world, i > > What does ifconfig say from prompt? I assume you have a DHCP server or have manually typed in the IP address for your FreeBSD machine. Perhaps it's a DNS issue. Ping www.yahoo.com from another machine (NOT all "world" or > Internet hosts allow ping or ICMP - yahoo does) Note the IP address that your other machine resolves www.yahoo.com into. Take this IP number and try pinging it? > Try and ping your router or def gate from the BSD box. . . > > You state your router goes from green to orange, there may also be an incorrect speed/duplex negotiation going on somewhere. > > I have always had good luck with 3com cards. > > HTH > Eric > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- *-----------------------------------------------------* | Glyn Tebbutt | d3c3it-linux@ntlworld.com | |--------------' http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d3c3it | | Lisa, if you dont like your job you dont strike, | | You just go in everyday and do it really half-assed | | Thats the American way. -Homer Simpson | *-----------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 17:52:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9AF16A4CF for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:52:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727F843D31 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:52:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from d3c3it-linux@ntlworld.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([213.106.176.22]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040712173844.GGGJ3241.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:38:44 +0100 From: Glyn Tebbutt To: Freebsd-Newbies Mailinglist In-Reply-To: <1089653471.27775.36.camel@frozen.lazarus.net> References: <1089650530.11432.9.camel@frozen.lazarus.net> <1089653471.27775.36.camel@frozen.lazarus.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1089654012.28399.3.camel@frozen.lazarus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:40:17 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Realtek RTL-8139 Nic & FreeBSD 5.2.1 Install X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:52:22 -0000 Nevermind i have fixed it now, woo. Ok starting the install process now. Just have to figure out how to use fdisk lol On Mon, 2004-07-12 at 18:31, Glyn Tebbutt wrote: > Would this affect the install process because i've not even got freebsd > to install yet this problem arises as soon as the install process is at > the installer :? > On Mon, 2004-07-12 at 17:57, whitevamp wrote: > > just a thought try this .. > > in /etc/sysctl.conf place this line > > net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Glyn Tebbutt" > > To: "Freebsd-Newbies Mailinglist" > > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 9:42 AM > > Subject: Realtek RTL-8139 Nic & FreeBSD 5.2.1 Install > > > > > > > Hi all > > > Im completely new to Freebsd and bsd in general, have been using linux > > > for the past 2years and windows for work reasons but i have recently > > > made room for freebsd on 1 of my pcs. This box has a Realtek RTL > > > 8139/8139C/8139C+ (according to lspci) nic. On the linux kernel and obv > > > windows, i have no problem, but when i pop in the freebsd install disc > > > and start the install process the nic indicator on my router goes from > > > green to orange. I can ping the box and ping from the box around my lan > > > but when i try and ping the outside world, i get nothing. I've searched > > > around on google but i cant find that much information regarding freebsd > > > and this nic. i did read it was supported but i cant seem to get it to > > > work. If im best off buying a new card then ill do that but id rather > > > not have to. > > > > > > Thanks for any replies > > > > > > ps this maybe not the best place to post this but i thought it was worth > > > a try > > > -- > > > *-----------------------------------------------------* > > > | Glyn Tebbutt | d3c3it-linux@ntlworld.com | > > > |--------------' http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d3c3it | > > > | Lisa, if you dont like your job you dont strike, | > > > | You just go in everyday and do it really half-assed | > > > | Thats the American way. -Homer Simpson | > > > *-----------------------------------------------------* > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- *-----------------------------------------------------* | Glyn Tebbutt | d3c3it-linux@ntlworld.com | |--------------' http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d3c3it | | Lisa, if you dont like your job you dont strike, | | You just go in everyday and do it really half-assed | | Thats the American way. -Homer Simpson | *-----------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 17:52:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 620FE16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:52:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E085043D1D for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:52:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from d3c3it-linux@ntlworld.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([213.106.176.22]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040712173854.GGXH3241.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:38:54 +0100 From: Glyn Tebbutt To: Freebsd-Newbies Mailinglist In-Reply-To: <1089653471.27775.36.camel@frozen.lazarus.net> References: <1089650530.11432.9.camel@frozen.lazarus.net> <1089653471.27775.36.camel@frozen.lazarus.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1089654012.28399.3.camel@frozen.lazarus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:40:27 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Realtek RTL-8139 Nic & FreeBSD 5.2.1 Install X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:52:34 -0000 Nevermind i have fixed it now, woo. Ok starting the install process now. Just have to figure out how to use fdisk lol On Mon, 2004-07-12 at 18:31, Glyn Tebbutt wrote: > Would this affect the install process because i've not even got freebsd > to install yet this problem arises as soon as the install process is at > the installer :? > On Mon, 2004-07-12 at 17:57, whitevamp wrote: > > just a thought try this .. > > in /etc/sysctl.conf place this line > > net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Glyn Tebbutt" > > To: "Freebsd-Newbies Mailinglist" > > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 9:42 AM > > Subject: Realtek RTL-8139 Nic & FreeBSD 5.2.1 Install > > > > > > > Hi all > > > Im completely new to Freebsd and bsd in general, have been using linux > > > for the past 2years and windows for work reasons but i have recently > > > made room for freebsd on 1 of my pcs. This box has a Realtek RTL > > > 8139/8139C/8139C+ (according to lspci) nic. On the linux kernel and obv > > > windows, i have no problem, but when i pop in the freebsd install disc > > > and start the install process the nic indicator on my router goes from > > > green to orange. I can ping the box and ping from the box around my lan > > > but when i try and ping the outside world, i get nothing. I've searched > > > around on google but i cant find that much information regarding freebsd > > > and this nic. i did read it was supported but i cant seem to get it to > > > work. If im best off buying a new card then ill do that but id rather > > > not have to. > > > > > > Thanks for any replies > > > > > > ps this maybe not the best place to post this but i thought it was worth > > > a try > > > -- > > > *-----------------------------------------------------* > > > | Glyn Tebbutt | d3c3it-linux@ntlworld.com | > > > |--------------' http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d3c3it | > > > | Lisa, if you dont like your job you dont strike, | > > > | You just go in everyday and do it really half-assed | > > > | Thats the American way. -Homer Simpson | > > > *-----------------------------------------------------* > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- *-----------------------------------------------------* | Glyn Tebbutt | d3c3it-linux@ntlworld.com | |--------------' http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d3c3it | | Lisa, if you dont like your job you dont strike, | | You just go in everyday and do it really half-assed | | Thats the American way. -Homer Simpson | *-----------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 17:53:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B1616A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:53:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from godzilla.vipstructures.com (godzilla.vipstructures.com [216.175.208.252]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1F143D2F for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:53:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from etoll@vipstructures.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.vipstructures.com [127.0.0.1]) by godzilla.vipstructures.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A795C28440 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from godzilla.vipstructures.com ([127.0.0.1])port 10024) with ESMTP id 26501-08 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mothra.vipstructures.com (mothra.vipstructures.com [192.168.1.3]) by godzilla.vipstructures.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9515128430 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:53:33 -0400 (EDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:53:33 -0400 Message-ID: <9BC86C67C3AF7646B9C5382020457A9456DE66@VIP10-WIN2K> From: "Eric Toll" To: "Glyn Tebbutt" , "Freebsd-Newbies Mailinglist" X-Antivirus: checked by Norton Anti Virus X-MTA-Mailer: Postfix 2 by Wietse Venema - http://www.postfix.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on godzilla.vipstructures.com Subject: RE: Realtek RTL-8139 Nic & FreeBSD 5.2.1 Install X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:53:38 -0000 > > > orange. I can ping the box and ping from the box around=20 > my lan but when i try and ping the outside world, i Hmm. I'm not understanding then, you said earlier you could ping to and = from the BSD box no problem, only not hosts on the big network.=20 ...Welp what did you do to "fix" it? Enlighten us.. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org=20 > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Glyn Tebbutt > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 1:35 PM > To: Freebsd-Newbies Mailinglist > Subject: RE: Realtek RTL-8139 Nic & FreeBSD 5.2.1 Install >=20 > The thing is this is just the install, i've not even got past=20 > that yet because of the problem with this nic, because i want=20 > to update my ports etc but if my nic is not working, i've no=20 > where to go. My router connects to my cable line which then=20 > gives dhcp to all my pcs on my lan, so each pc picks up it's=20 > ip thou dhcp. >=20 > Is there a way to get a command line during install ? > On Mon, 2004-07-12 at 17:52, Eric Toll wrote: > > =20 > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org=20 > > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of=20 > Glyn Tebbutt > > > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:42 PM > > > To: Freebsd-Newbies Mailinglist > > > Subject: Realtek RTL-8139 Nic & FreeBSD 5.2.1 Install > > >=20 > > > Hi all > > > Im completely new to Freebsd and bsd in general, have=20 > been green to=20 > > > orange. I can ping the box and ping from the box around=20 > my lan but=20 > > > when i try and ping the outside world, i > >=20 > > What does ifconfig say from prompt? I assume you have a=20 > DHCP server=20 > > or have manually typed in the IP address for your FreeBSD=20 > machine. Perhaps it's a DNS issue. Ping www.yahoo.com from=20 > another machine (NOT all "world" or Internet hosts allow ping=20 > or ICMP - yahoo does) Note the IP address that your other=20 > machine resolves www.yahoo.com into. Take this IP number and=20 > try pinging it? > > Try and ping your router or def gate from the BSD box. . . > >=20 > > You state your router goes from green to orange, there may=20 > also be an incorrect speed/duplex negotiation going on somewhere. > >=20 > > I have always had good luck with 3com cards. > >=20 > > HTH > > Eric > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list=20 > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to=20 > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- > *-----------------------------------------------------* > | Glyn Tebbutt | d3c3it-linux@ntlworld.com | > |--------------' http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d3c3it | > | Lisa, if you dont like your job you dont strike, | You=20 > just go in=20 > |everyday and do it really half-assed | > | Thats the American way. -Homer Simpson | > *-----------------------------------------------------* >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list=20 > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to=20 > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 >=20 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 18:20:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EAF316A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:20:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D3643D39 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:20:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from d3c3it-linux@ntlworld.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([213.106.176.22]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040712181939.JVQ10477.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:19:39 +0100 From: Glyn Tebbutt To: Freebsd-Newbies Mailinglist In-Reply-To: <9BC86C67C3AF7646B9C5382020457A9456DE66@VIP10-WIN2K> References: <9BC86C67C3AF7646B9C5382020457A9456DE66@VIP10-WIN2K> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1089656405.28399.7.camel@frozen.lazarus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:20:05 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Realtek RTL-8139 Nic & FreeBSD 5.2.1 Install X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:20:19 -0000 Sorry for the confusion, doesn't help that my isp's sendmail is playing up today, anyway, i didn't realise that during the install i had to select my nic's module *reread it now and it is there* so im sorry for wasting everyone's time, the install is going great now thou, just downloading the system. Thanks again and sorry also. On Mon, 2004-07-12 at 18:53, Eric Toll wrote: > > > > orange. I can ping the box and ping from the box around > > my lan but when i try and ping the outside world, i > > > Hmm. I'm not understanding then, you said earlier you could ping to and from the BSD box no problem, only not hosts on the big network. > > ...Welp what did you do to "fix" it? > > > Enlighten us.. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Glyn Tebbutt > > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 1:35 PM > > To: Freebsd-Newbies Mailinglist > > Subject: RE: Realtek RTL-8139 Nic & FreeBSD 5.2.1 Install > > > > The thing is this is just the install, i've not even got past > > that yet because of the problem with this nic, because i want > > to update my ports etc but if my nic is not working, i've no > > where to go. My router connects to my cable line which then > > gives dhcp to all my pcs on my lan, so each pc picks up it's > > ip thou dhcp. > > > > Is there a way to get a command line during install ? > > On Mon, 2004-07-12 at 17:52, Eric Toll wrote: > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > > > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of > > Glyn Tebbutt > > > > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:42 PM > > > > To: Freebsd-Newbies Mailinglist > > > > Subject: Realtek RTL-8139 Nic & FreeBSD 5.2.1 Install > > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > Im completely new to Freebsd and bsd in general, have > > been green to > > > > orange. I can ping the box and ping from the box around > > my lan but > > > > when i try and ping the outside world, i > > > > > > What does ifconfig say from prompt? I assume you have a > > DHCP server > > > or have manually typed in the IP address for your FreeBSD > > machine. Perhaps it's a DNS issue. Ping www.yahoo.com from > > another machine (NOT all "world" or Internet hosts allow ping > > or ICMP - yahoo does) Note the IP address that your other > > machine resolves www.yahoo.com into. Take this IP number and > > try pinging it? > > > Try and ping your router or def gate from the BSD box. . . > > > > > > You state your router goes from green to orange, there may > > also be an incorrect speed/duplex negotiation going on somewhere. > > > > > > I have always had good luck with 3com cards. > > > > > > HTH > > > Eric > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- > > *-----------------------------------------------------* > > | Glyn Tebbutt | d3c3it-linux@ntlworld.com | > > |--------------' http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d3c3it | > > | Lisa, if you dont like your job you dont strike, | You > > just go in > > |everyday and do it really half-assed | > > | Thats the American way. -Homer Simpson | > > *-----------------------------------------------------* > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > -- *-----------------------------------------------------* | Glyn Tebbutt | d3c3it-linux@ntlworld.com | |--------------' http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d3c3it | | Lisa, if you dont like your job you dont strike, | | You just go in everyday and do it really half-assed | | Thats the American way. -Homer Simpson | *-----------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 18:28:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988B716A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:28:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.251]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A1AB43D31 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:28:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from torstenvl@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r65so441354cwc for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.117.59 with SMTP id p59mr365650cwc; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <126eac48040712112845b0b86f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:28:22 -0400 From: Josh Ockert To: Glyn Tebbutt In-Reply-To: <1089656405.28399.7.camel@frozen.lazarus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <9BC86C67C3AF7646B9C5382020457A9456DE66@VIP10-WIN2K> <1089656405.28399.7.camel@frozen.lazarus.net> cc: Freebsd-Newbies Mailinglist Subject: Re: Realtek RTL-8139 Nic & FreeBSD 5.2.1 Install X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:28:22 -0000 On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:20:05 +0100, Glyn Tebbutt wrote: > Sorry for the confusion, doesn't help that my isp's sendmail is playing > up today, anyway, i didn't realise that during the install i had to > select my nic's module *reread it now and it is there* so im sorry for > wasting everyone's time, the install is going great now thou, just > downloading the system. > Thanks again and sorry also. > On Mon, 2004-07-12 at 18:53, Eric Toll wrote: > > > > > orange. I can ping the box and ping from the box around > > > my lan but when i try and ping the outside world, i > > > > > > Hmm. I'm not understanding then, you said earlier you could ping to and from the BSD box no problem, only not hosts on the big network. > > > > ...Welp what did you do to "fix" it? > > > > > > Enlighten us.. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Glyn Tebbutt > > > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 1:35 PM > > > To: Freebsd-Newbies Mailinglist > > > Subject: RE: Realtek RTL-8139 Nic & FreeBSD 5.2.1 Install > > > > > > The thing is this is just the install, i've not even got past > > > that yet because of the problem with this nic, because i want > > > to update my ports etc but if my nic is not working, i've no > > > where to go. My router connects to my cable line which then > > > gives dhcp to all my pcs on my lan, so each pc picks up it's > > > ip thou dhcp. > > > > > > Is there a way to get a command line during install ? > > > On Mon, 2004-07-12 at 17:52, Eric Toll wrote: > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > > > > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of > > > Glyn Tebbutt > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:42 PM > > > > > To: Freebsd-Newbies Mailinglist > > > > > Subject: Realtek RTL-8139 Nic & FreeBSD 5.2.1 Install > > > > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > Im completely new to Freebsd and bsd in general, have > > > been green to > > > > > orange. I can ping the box and ping from the box around > > > my lan but > > > > > when i try and ping the outside world, i > > > > > > > > What does ifconfig say from prompt? I assume you have a > > > DHCP server > > > > or have manually typed in the IP address for your FreeBSD > > > machine. Perhaps it's a DNS issue. Ping www.yahoo.com from > > > another machine (NOT all "world" or Internet hosts allow ping > > > or ICMP - yahoo does) Note the IP address that your other > > > machine resolves www.yahoo.com into. Take this IP number and > > > try pinging it? > > > > Try and ping your router or def gate from the BSD box. . . > > > > > > > > You state your router goes from green to orange, there may > > > also be an incorrect speed/duplex negotiation going on somewhere. > > > > > > > > I have always had good luck with 3com cards. > > > > > > > > HTH > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > -- > > > *-----------------------------------------------------* > > > | Glyn Tebbutt | d3c3it-linux@ntlworld.com | > > > |--------------' http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d3c3it | > > > | Lisa, if you dont like your job you dont strike, | You > > > just go in > > > |everyday and do it really half-assed | > > > | Thats the American way. -Homer Simpson | > > > *-----------------------------------------------------* > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > -- > *-----------------------------------------------------* > | Glyn Tebbutt | d3c3it-linux@ntlworld.com | > |--------------' http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d3c3it | > | Lisa, if you dont like your job you dont strike, | > | You just go in everyday and do it really half-assed | > | Thats the American way. -Homer Simpson | > *-----------------------------------------------------* > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >From the mailing list FAQ: (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/mailing-list-faq/article.html#ETIQUETTE-REPLYING) Please do not top post. By this, we mean that if you are replying to a message, please put your replies after the text that you copy in your reply. * A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. * Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? You guys are breaking GMail! I can't make sense of any of this conversation, please don't do this. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 19:07:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0787016A4D7 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:07:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vfemail.net (rrcs-west-67-52-59-244.biz.rr.com [67.52.59.244]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8583643D31 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:07:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lute@vfemail.net) Received: (qmail 21024 invoked by uid 85); 12 Jul 2004 19:07:03 -0000 Received: from lute@vfemail.net by mail.vfemail.net by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (clamscan: 0.60. spamassassin: 2.55. Clear:. Processed in 0.283574 secs); 12 Jul 2004 19:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO agnes) (lute@vfemail.net@63.229.187.130) by rrcs-west-67-52-59-244.biz.rr.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2004 19:07:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:08:42 -0500 From: Lute Mullenix To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040712140842.36846134@agnes> In-Reply-To: <9BC86C67C3AF7646B9C5382020457A9456DE5A@VIP10-WIN2K> References: <9BC86C67C3AF7646B9C5382020457A9456DE5A@VIP10-WIN2K> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Agp0 probe forced my to use floppy kernel in 5.2.1 Release X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:07:05 -0000 On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:00:41 -0400 "Eric Toll" insisted: > Hello list! > > I had a *hell* of a time trying to get FreeBSD 5.2.1 installed on a > Netserver E60. PII 450 SCSI > > During the agp0 probe the system would lock up tight. > > Here's what I did. Made some floppies, (since they don't have AGP > support on them) Booted System, went thru the whole install and then > right before Exiting Install, I ran an Emergency Shell on TTY4. > > Then I FTP'd the gunziped kernel file into /boot/kernel. Then rebooted > system. (From another 5.2.1 box) > > System came up fine (no lockup) but now I have no ethernet, yet the std > boot and mfsroot floppies do have an Intel nic driver on them that > works, after all I used the floppy boot discs to FTP the floppy kernel > onto my scsi HD. > > Geesh, what an ordeal. (If you didn't know how to go about it as I > didn't) > > What am I doing wrong? Is this the wrong way? I tried to let the HD boot > up to the loader prompt after the 5.2.1 install and then set > currdev=/dev/fd0 and then do a load kernel (this did not work), and then > to a setcurrdev= so I can boot from it but no luck. > > Anyway my machine is up but it's pretty useless without Network... > > Tips, pointers, misc. info would be much appreciated. > > TIA > > Eric > > Was that kernel you transfered a custome job for that machine? If so it may not have the proper driver built into it for the new machine. -- Lute It's OK to be different FreeBSD 5.2.1 RELEASE From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 19:12:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D5C16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:12:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from godzilla.vipstructures.com (godzilla.vipstructures.com [216.175.208.252]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CEDC43D3F for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:12:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from etoll@vipstructures.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.vipstructures.com [127.0.0.1]) by godzilla.vipstructures.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB492844B for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from godzilla.vipstructures.com ([127.0.0.1])port 10024) with ESMTP id 27454-07 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mothra.vipstructures.com (mothra.vipstructures.com [192.168.1.3]) by godzilla.vipstructures.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B4728430 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:11:58 -0400 (EDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:11:58 -0400 Message-ID: <9BC86C67C3AF7646B9C5382020457A9456DE67@VIP10-WIN2K> From: "Eric Toll" To: "Lute Mullenix" , X-Antivirus: checked by Norton Anti Virus X-MTA-Mailer: Postfix 2 by Wietse Venema - http://www.postfix.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on godzilla.vipstructures.com Subject: RE: Agp0 probe forced my to use floppy kernel in 5.2.1 Release X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:12:02 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org=20 > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Lute Mullenix > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:09 PM > To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Agp0 probe forced my to use floppy kernel in=20 > 5.2.1 Release >=20 > On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:00:41 -0400 > "Eric Toll" insisted: >=20 > > Hello list! > >=20 > > I had a *hell* of a time trying to get FreeBSD 5.2.1 installed on a=20 > > Netserver E60. PII 450 SCSI > >=20 > > During the agp0 probe the system would lock up tight. > >=20 > > Here's what I did. Made some floppies, (since they don't have AGP=20 > > support on them) Booted System, went thru the whole install=20 > and then=20 > > right before Exiting Install, I ran an Emergency Shell on TTY4. > >=20 > > Then I FTP'd the gunziped kernel file into /boot/kernel.=20 > Then rebooted=20 > > system. (From another 5.2.1 box) > >=20 > > System came up fine (no lockup) but now I have no ethernet, yet the=20 > > std boot and mfsroot floppies do have an Intel nic driver=20 > on them that=20 > > works, after all I used the floppy boot discs to FTP the=20 > floppy kernel=20 > > onto my scsi HD. > >=20 > > Geesh, what an ordeal. (If you didn't know how to go about it as I > > didn't) > >=20 > > What am I doing wrong? Is this the wrong way? I tried to let the HD=20 > > boot up to the loader prompt after the 5.2.1 install and then set=20 > > currdev=3D/dev/fd0 and then do a load kernel (this did not work), = and=20 > > then to a setcurrdev=3D so I can boot from it=20 > but no luck. > >=20 > > Anyway my machine is up but it's pretty useless without Network... > >=20 > > Tips, pointers, misc. info would be much appreciated. > >=20 > > TIA > >=20 > > Eric > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > Was that kernel you transfered a custome job for that=20 > machine? If so it may not have the proper driver built into=20 > it for the new machine. >=20 >=20 > -- > Lute >=20 > It's OK to be different > FreeBSD 5.2.1 RELEASE >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list=20 > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to=20 > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 No It was not. It was the exact kernel from the floppy boot = (floppy.flp) 5.2.1 Release. When I use 5.2.1 boot, and 5.2.1 msfroot to load the machine the Ether = adapter is there, and works. When I take the 5.2.1 floppy boot kernel copyt it the HD under = /boot/kernel the machine boots but no NIC. How can I add it back in??? Thanks Much, Eric =20 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 19:12:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951FB16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:12:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f95.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.95]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767EC43D3F for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:12:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:12:59 -0700 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:12:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] X-Sender: crollins666@hotmail.com From: "clayton rollins" To: etoll@vipstructures.com Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:12:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2004 19:12:59.0059 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E9A7030:01C46844] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re:: Agp0 probe forced my to use floppy kernel in 5.2.1 Release X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:12:59 -0000 On July 12, 2004, "Eric Toll" wrote: > >Hello list! > >I had a *hell* of a time trying to get FreeBSD 5.2.1 installed on a >Netserver E60. PII 450 SCSI > >During the agp0 probe the system would lock up tight. > >Here's what I did. Made some floppies, (since they don't have AGP support >on them) Booted System, went thru the whole install and then right before >Exiting Install, I ran an Emergency Shell on TTY4. > >Then I FTP'd the gunziped kernel file into /boot/kernel. Then rebooted >system. (From another 5.2.1 box) > >System came up fine (no lockup) but now I have no ethernet, yet the std >boot and mfsroot floppies do have an Intel nic driver on them that works, >after all I used the floppy boot discs to FTP the floppy kernel onto my >scsi HD. > >Geesh, what an ordeal. (If you didn't know how to go about it as I didn't) > >What am I doing wrong? Is this the wrong way? I tried to let the HD boot up >to the loader prompt after the 5.2.1 install and then set currdev=/dev/fd0 >and then do a load kernel (this did not work), and then to a >setcurrdev= so I can boot from it but no luck. > >Anyway my machine is up but it's pretty useless without Network... > >Tips, pointers, misc. info would be much appreciated. > >TIA > >Eric > Hi Eric, In the misc. info department, freebsd-newbies isn't the proper forum for this question. All technical questions and replies should be sent to freebsd-questions. Also, things are rarely ever this hard with bsd; when it is this hard, it's likely that you may be missing a simpler answer. I'm not forwarding this to questions at this point, as I believe they will want more info. For instance, you don't mention what NIC you have nor what is using the agp driver. They'll probably want at least that. The boot output may be useful to include as well (use dmesg to get the output). When you do write questions@, you shouldn't need to subscribe as you should be CC'ed on any replies. The only special thing you should do is try to wrap lines in email at 72 characters to make things easier for a reader using an old mail program. With all that said, I suspect that your BIOS settings may be causing the problem. You may need to re-visit those and check for things like plug'n'play or devices requesting the same resources, which can cause problems. Note, this isn't meant as advice, just my first thought of what may be happening. Regards, Clayton _________________________________________________________________ MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access helps fight spam and pop-ups Рnow 2 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 19:35:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22F416A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:35:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f106.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB2643D2D for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:35:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:35:54 -0700 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:35:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] X-Sender: crollins666@hotmail.com From: "clayton rollins" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:35:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2004 19:35:54.0462 (UTC) FILETIME=[726847E0:01C46847] Subject: RE: SSH port forwarding and Webmin X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:35:54 -0000 Reply posted to questions@. Please use that thread for any technical replies. Regards, Clayton _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page РFREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 20:17:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014AD16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:17:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f115.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D52DC43D41 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:17:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:17:16 -0700 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:17:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] X-Sender: crollins666@hotmail.com From: "clayton rollins" To: etoll@vipstructures.com Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:17:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2004 20:17:16.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[39E02D60:01C4684D] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: SSH port forwarding and Webmin X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:17:17 -0000 On July 12, 2004, "Eric Toll" wrote: > >Are you a moderator? > No. As far as I know, there's no moderator for -newbies. However, the FAK ( http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ ) states: "There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately." After some discussion between list members and Sue (an advocate for the newbies list, and probably the only source of "authority" here), we had come to a few decisions for what to do with technical posts here. (See the list archives for more info on that thread.) In that conversation, we had expanded the FAK's idea of "someone" in the above statement. She had indicated that "more knowledgeable list members" should try to sort out these problems. (Not that I'm more knowledgeable on any of the technical matters, but I have read the FAK, which assures that we shouldn't see the questions here in the first place. More knowledgeable in that sense.) The idea of doing so privately seemed the worst solution to me, giving no advice and leaving the thread open. With some free time this morning, and noticing that quite a few technical questions had been asked here, I thought I'd give some time to clean up the list a little and redirect proper questions to questions@, or give advice on writing a more complete email. (I could've given links to official documentation here, but couldn't think of any relevant articles.) Regards, Clayton PS. I'm not trying to make those who hadn't read the list charter feel bad (with this or other emails), just to help the questions get to a proper forum. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access helps fight spam and pop-ups Рnow 2 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 20:25:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE81816A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:25:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from godzilla.vipstructures.com (godzilla.vipstructures.com [216.175.208.252]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46A943D48 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:25:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from etoll@vipstructures.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.vipstructures.com [127.0.0.1]) by godzilla.vipstructures.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32BFD28480 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from godzilla.vipstructures.com ([127.0.0.1])port 10024) with ESMTP id 28853-01 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mothra.vipstructures.com (mothra.vipstructures.com [192.168.1.3]) by godzilla.vipstructures.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAF928440 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:25:26 -0400 (EDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:25:26 -0400 Message-ID: <9BC86C67C3AF7646B9C5382020457A9456DE6A@VIP10-WIN2K> From: "Eric Toll" To: "clayton rollins" X-Antivirus: checked by Norton Anti Virus X-MTA-Mailer: Postfix 2 by Wietse Venema - http://www.postfix.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on godzilla.vipstructures.com cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: SSH port forwarding and Webmin X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:25:29 -0000 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: clayton rollins [mailto:crollins666@hotmail.com]=20 > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 4:17 PM > To: Eric Toll > Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: SSH port forwarding and Webmin >=20 >=20 > On July 12, 2004, "Eric Toll" wrote: > > > >Are you a moderator? > > >=20 > No. As far as I know, there's no moderator for -newbies. >=20 > However, the FAK ( > http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ ) states: > "There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these=20 > problems out privately." >=20 > After some discussion between list members and Sue (an=20 > advocate for the newbies list, and probably the only source=20 > of "authority" here), we had come to a few decisions for what=20 > to do with technical posts here. (See the list archives for=20 > more info on that thread.) >=20 {{SNIP}} > PS. I'm not trying to make those who hadn't read the list=20 > charter feel bad (with this or other emails), just to help=20 FWIW Others may be offended by a person who acts like a moderator, yet chooses to hide behind a free microsoft address with 666=20 (the sign of the beast) prepended to it. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 20:43:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D114616A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:43:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.240]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BFFAB43D53 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:43:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from torstenvl@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r65so445644cwc for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.117.28 with SMTP id p28mr366716cwc; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <126eac4804071213433a502afe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:43:40 -0400 From: Josh Ockert To: Eric Toll In-Reply-To: <9BC86C67C3AF7646B9C5382020457A9456DE6A@VIP10-WIN2K> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <9BC86C67C3AF7646B9C5382020457A9456DE6A@VIP10-WIN2K> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SSH port forwarding and Webmin X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:43:41 -0000 On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:25:26 -0400, Eric Toll wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: clayton rollins [mailto:crollins666@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 4:17 PM > > To: Eric Toll > > Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > > Subject: RE: SSH port forwarding and Webmin > > > > > > On July 12, 2004, "Eric Toll" wrote: > > > > > >Are you a moderator? > > > > > > > No. As far as I know, there's no moderator for -newbies. > > > > However, the FAK ( > > http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ ) states: > > "There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these > > problems out privately." > > > > After some discussion between list members and Sue (an > > advocate for the newbies list, and probably the only source > > of "authority" here), we had come to a few decisions for what > > to do with technical posts here. (See the list archives for > > more info on that thread.) > > > {{SNIP}} > > PS. I'm not trying to make those who hadn't read the list > > charter feel bad (with this or other emails), just to help > > FWIW Others may be offended by a person who acts like a moderator, > yet chooses to hide behind a free microsoft address with 666 > (the sign of the beast) prepended to it. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > And yet still others might be offended that you rub their nose in the fact that Hotmail is now owned by Microsoft and has gotten rid of or will soon get rid of all FreeBSD boxes -- certainly, a disproportionately high number of people who are indignant about that would be on this list. And yet still others might be offended by your forceful imposition of superstition on them. Not everyone takes the Christian Bible literally, if they even believe in it. And yet still others might take offense to your narrow-minded assumption that it was even in reference to anything remotely religious or anti-religious. Symbols formerly considered 'evil' or whatever are often used in counterculture -- liking a 'dark-sounding' band or something doesn't make one Satanic. Alternatively (though not very likely), maybe he was simply commemorating when Percy Sledge's "When a Man Loves a Woman" topped the charts, or the first descent of the "Great West Canyon," or maybe even the Marine Corp's Operation Jay in Vietnam -- in June of 1966. The point is that you don't know, you're assuming. That, and that this whole thing is a stupid tangent. The FAK and mailing list charter and all that make the point that this is not a tech support forum. Your problems with any individual here are moot points -- you need to be somewhere else. So stop being a troll. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 21:09:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7086E16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:09:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from godzilla.vipstructures.com (godzilla.vipstructures.com [216.175.208.252]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD3E43D1F for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:09:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from etoll@vipstructures.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.vipstructures.com [127.0.0.1]) by godzilla.vipstructures.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1206B28440 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from godzilla.vipstructures.com ([127.0.0.1])port 10024) with ESMTP id 29159-04 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mothra.vipstructures.com (mothra.vipstructures.com [192.168.1.3]) by godzilla.vipstructures.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B747028439 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:09:04 -0400 (EDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:09:04 -0400 Message-ID: <9BC86C67C3AF7646B9C5382020457A944E4C17@VIP10-WIN2K> From: "Eric Toll" To: "Josh Ockert" X-Antivirus: checked by Norton Anti Virus X-MTA-Mailer: Postfix 2 by Wietse Venema - http://www.postfix.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on godzilla.vipstructures.com cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: SSH port forwarding and Webmin X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:09:08 -0000 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Ockert [mailto:torstenvl@gmail.com]=20 > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 4:44 PM > To: Eric Toll > Cc: clayton rollins; freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: SSH port forwarding and Webmin >=20 > On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:25:26 -0400, Eric Toll=20 > wrote: > >=20 > >=20 > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: clayton rollins [mailto:crollins666@hotmail.com] > > > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 4:17 PM > > > To: Eric Toll > > > Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > > > Subject: RE: SSH port forwarding and Webmin > > > > > > > > > On July 12, 2004, "Eric Toll" wrote: > > > > > > > >Are you a moderator? > > > > > > > > > > No. As far as I know, there's no moderator for -newbies. > > > > > > However, the FAK ( > > > http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ ) states: > > > "There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these=20 > > > problems out privately." > > > > > > After some discussion between list members and Sue (an=20 > advocate for=20 > > > the newbies list, and probably the only source of=20 > "authority" here),=20 > > > we had come to a few decisions for what to do with=20 > technical posts=20 > > > here. (See the list archives for more info on that thread.) > > > > > {{SNIP}} > > > PS. I'm not trying to make those who hadn't read the list charter=20 > > > feel bad (with this or other emails), just to help > >=20 > > FWIW Others may be offended by a person who acts like a=20 > moderator, yet=20 > > chooses to hide behind a free microsoft address with 666=20 > (the sign of=20 > > the beast) prepended to it. > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list=20 > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to=20 > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >=20 >=20 >=20 > And yet still others might be offended that you rub their=20 > nose in the fact that Hotmail is now owned by Microsoft and=20 > has gotten rid of or will soon get rid of all FreeBSD boxes=20 > -- certainly, a disproportionately high number of people who=20 > are indignant about that would be on this list. I'll let people like you blatently spell that out. Thanks. >=20 > And yet still others might be offended by your forceful=20 > imposition of superstition on them. Not everyone takes the=20 > Christian Bible literally, if they even believe in it. Pure logic supports his existance. >=20 > And yet still others might take offense to your narrow-minded=20 > assumption that it was even in reference to anything remotely=20 > religious or anti-religious. Symbols formerly considered=20 > 'evil' or whatever are often used in counterculture -- liking=20 > a 'dark-sounding' > band or something doesn't make one Satanic. Alternatively=20 Is this in the FAK? > (though not very likely), maybe he was simply commemorating=20 > when Percy Sledge's "When a Man Loves a Woman" topped the=20 > charts, or the first descent of the "Great West Canyon," or=20 > maybe even the Marine Corp's Operation Jay in Vietnam -- in=20 > June of 1966. =20 I really enjoyed that stretch. Remember those answers for Jeopardy next time you are on. =20 >=20 > The point is that you don't know, you're assuming. That, and=20 > that this whole thing is a stupid tangent. The FAK and=20 > mailing list charter and all that make the point that this is=20 > not a tech support forum. Your problems with any individual=20 > here are moot points -- you need to be somewhere else. So=20 > stop being a troll. Since joining the list I have seen 2 messages from you. The first is: don't top post it breaks my free gmail, the second this = lovely message. Now I say who is the troll? =20 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 22:24:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D11716A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:24:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from trane.webintl.com (trane.webintl.com [209.248.144.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D0F43D41 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:24:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@webintl.com) Received: from trane.webintl.com (trane.webintl.com [209.248.144.124]) by trane.webintl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903B4CFC151 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:25:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Freebsd To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9BC86C67C3AF7646B9C5382020457A944E4C17@VIP10-WIN2K> References: <9BC86C67C3AF7646B9C5382020457A944E4C17@VIP10-WIN2K> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1089671141.30696.38.camel@trane.webintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:25:41 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: SSH port forwarding and Webmin X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:24:42 -0000 *chews on the unrelated list-spam, and top posts to annoy crollins666* Can we move on? I'm sure a simple click of the delete button/press of the appropriate key(s) will suffice to stop this thread, right? On Mon, 2004-07-12 at 16:09, Eric Toll wrote: > Since joining the list I have seen 2 messages from you. > The first is: don't top post it breaks my free gmail, the second this lovely message. > > Now I say who is the troll? -- Michael King Systems Administrator Web International, Inc. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 12 23:47:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0CBC16A4D0 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:47:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web52505.mail.yahoo.com (web52505.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.126]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B79D43D46 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:47:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsder51@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040712234753.86645.qmail@web52505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.69.63.82] by web52505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:47:53 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:47:53 -0700 (PDT) From: freebsder To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Freebsd 5.1 <-> Win XP Networking problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:47:55 -0000 I have a Freebsd 5.1 box connected to the internet. It works. But I am now trying to network two other Win XP machines as per the following network hierarchy: <><><> Setup <><><> ISP-> DSL Modem -> FreeBSD box : 1) "vr0" 192.168.0.1 [Gateway machine address] 2) "ed0" 192.168.0.3 [Internal Network address] connects to:-> 4- port HUB -> 1)WinXP machine #1 192.168.0.2 2)Freebsd Box 192.168.0.3 3)WinXP machine #2 192.168.0.4 <><><> Problem: <><><> I cannot communicate to the Internet from WinXP #2 (Have not tried to config WinXP #1 yet). <><><> Browser Config <><><> IE Brower Settings for WinXP #2 {Tools>Internet Options>Connections>) -I set the browser so that it never dials a connection because it is suppose to be networked right? - in the LAN Settings option, I set the Proxyserver option with the address of the gateway of 192.168.0.1 with Port 80 <><><> Dialouge <><><> >From Freebsd Machine # ping 192.168.0.4 PING 192.168.0.4 (192.168.0.4): 56 data bytes ping: sendto: Host is down ping: sendto: Host is down -at one point I was able to ping the freebsd machine from WinXP #2 but then for some reason, I made a change and cannot ping anymore... <><><> RC.CONF <><><> My rc.conf file looks like this: font8x14="NO" font8x16="swiss-8x16" font8x8="swiss-8x8" inetd_enable="YES" linux_enable="YES" moused_enable="YES" moused_port="/dev/psm0" moused_type="auto" nfs_client_enable="YES" nfs_server_enable="YES" rpcbind_enable="YES" saver="rain" scrnmap="NO" usbd_enable="YES" ifconfig_vr0="DHCP" ifconfig_ed0="DHCP" ##initialise NIC network_interfaces="vr0 ed0 lo0 tun0" ifconfig tun0 ifconfig vr0= "media 10baseT/UTP up" ifconfig_ed0="inet 192.168.0.3 netmask 255.255.0.0" ifconfig_vr0="inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.0.0" hostname="myserver" ##User ppp configuration ppp_enable="YES" ppp_mode="ddial" ppp_nat="NO" ppp_profile="bellnet" #ppp_user="root" ## Firewall gateway_enable="YES" firewall_enable="YES" firewall_type="OPEN" #firewall_quiet="NO" firewall_script="/etc/rc/firewall" natd_enable="YES" natd_interface="vr0" natd_flags="redirect_port tcp 192.168.0.3:80 80" rpc_statd_enable="YES" tcp_extensions="YES" ## Mail sendmail_enable="YES" <><><><><><><> HELP! 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Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 15 08:21:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A69616A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:21:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from matrix.security-info.com.ua (vbb-248.static.volia.net [82.144.196.248]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CCE343D3F for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:21:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alex@matrix.security-info.com.ua) Received: from matrix.security-info.com.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i6F93Kv6070464 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:03:20 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from alex@matrix.security-info.com.ua) Received: (from alex@localhost)i6F93K45070463 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:03:20 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:03:20 +0300 From: alex To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040715090320.GA70425@matrix.security-info.com.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: how can I recognize my videocard? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:21:10 -0000 Hi ! :) tell me, how can I recognize my videocard... I don't know, which driver I must select to my video, and can't see my hardware... PS sorry for my English 8() :)) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 15 08:31:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFEC16A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:31:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mid-2.inet.it (mid-2.inet.it [213.92.5.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4723443D46 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:31:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roberto@orson.it) Received: from guardian.inet.it [::ffff:194.185.129.11] by mid-2.inet.it via I-SMTP-5.1.10-51A id ::ffff:194.185.129.11+0aCJU2FRg0; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:31:20 +0200 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:31:38 +0200 From: "Roberto [khazad-dum]" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040715103138.462901a0@guardian.inet.it> In-Reply-To: <20040715090320.GA70425@matrix.security-info.com.ua> References: <20040715090320.GA70425@matrix.security-info.com.ua> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1) X-Key-Fingerprint: C895 7D5B 172D D255 5AEB AAE9 C763 E557 CCC7 3A34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: how can I recognize my videocard? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:31:22 -0000 Begin replayed message: On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:03:20 +0300 alex wrote: >Hi ! :) >tell me, how can I recognize my videocard... > >I don't know, which driver I must select to my video, and can't see my >hardware... two ways: 1 - dmesg | grep VGA or 2 - cd /usr/ports/sysutils/pciutils && make install clean and lspci | grep VGA (or lspci -vv) man dmesg man lspci Enjoy :) -- BOFH excuse #113: Root nameservers are out of sync From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 15 11:23:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC5A916A4D0 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:23:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ua.fm (smtp2.ua.fm [195.248.176.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D766843D1F for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:23:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alex@security-info.com.ua) Received: from [82.144.196.248] (account _alex_v_ HELO Exciter) by ua.fm (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with ESMTP id 128661460 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:23:23 +0300 From: Alex To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:21:31 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200407151421.31990.alex@security-info.com.ua> Subject: drivers for ATI Rage 3D IIC X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: alex@security-info.com.ua List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:23:30 -0000 Hi! :)) second q. :) where can I finde drivers for my ATI Rage 3D IIC (FreeBSD 4.9) -- Alex Test from new system, blin.... From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 16 07:53:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35CE16A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:53:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92.asp.att.net [63.240.76.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3F743D46 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:53:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from nbritton.org (12-203-241-116.client.insightbb.com[12.203.241.116]) by sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92) with SMTP id <20040716075320i9200q1k9ge>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:53:21 +0000 Message-ID: <40F7896B.7040102@nbritton.org> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:53:15 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alex@security-info.com.ua, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <200407151421.31990.alex@security-info.com.ua> In-Reply-To: <200407151421.31990.alex@security-info.com.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: drivers for ATI Rage 3D IIC X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:53:31 -0000 umm...I don't think there is such a thing in *BSD land. when you setup your X Windows System (on any *nix box) you pick the "X Server" (driver) that's ment for your video card, these come with your X distro (XFree86 v4.3.0 on FreeBSD v4.9). if you don't like the x server that comes with your distro you can buy a 3rd party X server, maybe from these guys: http://www.xig.com Now if your talking about video drivers for hardware based 3D acceleration etc. (like Nivdia's and ATI's bin. linux drivers)... I don't have a clue, but I think it's a linux only thing. Alex wrote: >Hi! :)) > >second q. :) > >where can I finde drivers for my ATI Rage 3D IIC (FreeBSD 4.9) > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 16 08:06:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD1916A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:06:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 069D843D53 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:06:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from nbritton.org (12-203-241-116.client.insightbb.com[12.203.241.116]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with SMTP id <20040716080632i9100hg9aqe>; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:06:34 +0000 Message-ID: <40F78C88.1080807@nbritton.org> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 03:06:32 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alex@security-info.com.ua, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <200407151421.31990.alex@security-info.com.ua> In-Reply-To: <200407151421.31990.alex@security-info.com.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: drivers for ATI Rage 3D IIC X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:06:37 -0000 Follow up link (DRI on BSD, hardware 3d acceleration): http://people.freebsd.org/~anholt/dri/index.html From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 16 08:46:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DFD16A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:46:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from horse.carrier.kiev.ua (horse.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.118]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB0D43D39 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:46:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from news+freebsd-arts@news1.lucky.net) Received: from horse.carrier.kiev.ua (news@localhost) by horse.carrier.kiev.ua (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i6G8k1e67043 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:46:01 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from news+freebsd-arts@news1.lucky.net) X-Authentication-Warning: horse.carrier.kiev.ua: news owned process doing -bs To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Dennis Kanevsky Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:43:30 +0300 Organization: Alkar Teleport News Server Message-ID: References: <20040715090320.GA70425@matrix.security-info.com.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pandora.alkar.net 1089963672 23878 195.248.174.106 (16 Jul 2004 07:41:12 GMT) User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <20040715090320.GA70425@matrix.security-info.com.ua> Sender: Alkar Teleport News Subsystem X-Verify-Sender: verified Subject: Re: how can I recognize my videocard? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:46:08 -0000 alex wrote: > Hi ! :) > tell me, how can I recognize my videocard... > > I don't know, which driver I must select to my video, > and can't see my hardware... --^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - May be that not YOUR videocard? :)))))) ========================= D.K. > > PS > sorry for my English 8() :)) > > > > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 16 10:04:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6082716A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:04:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from burka.carrier.kiev.ua (burka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.107]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9830443D46 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:04:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from netch@lucky.net) Received: from netch@localhost [127.0.0.1] (netch@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by burka.carrier.kiev.ua with ESMTP id i6GA4MjV032443; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:04:23 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from netch@burka.carrier.kiev.ua) Received: (from netch@localhost) by burka.carrier.kiev.ua (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i6GA4Mhq032440; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:04:22 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from netch) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:04:21 +0300 From: Valentin Nechayev To: alex Message-ID: <20040716100421.GB87298@lucky.net> References: <20040715090320.GA70425@matrix.security-info.com.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040715090320.GA70425@matrix.security-info.com.ua> X-42: On X-Verify-Sender: verified cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how can I recognize my videocard? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: netch@lucky.net List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:04:29 -0000 Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 12:03:20, alex wrote about "how can I recognize my videocard?": > tell me, how can I recognize my videocard... > I don't know, which driver I must select to my video, and can't see my hardware... pciconf -lv |less then see for video devices description -netch- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 16 14:47:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA7416A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:47:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gawab.com (v2.gawab.com [204.97.230.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CA93A43D45 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:47:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from void_validation@gawab.com) Received: (qmail 20839 invoked by uid 1004); 16 Jul 2004 14:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blackbox) (void?validation@202.52.48.77) by gawab.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2004 14:46:59 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01c46b43$efd98f50$0401010a@blackbox> From: "Josh" To: Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 00:48:17 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: adsl router, dhcp works to the router but not the net? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:47:04 -0000 Hi, I'm very new to freebsd, i have managed installing and setting up dhcp, = but i cant access the net. i can get to my modem web config all good and fine, but can't access = sites. is there a program within bsd to diagnose this? i used ifconfig but that means nothing.=20 i am new soz. Josh From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 16 16:12:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E30316A4CF for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:12:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web21506.mail.yahoo.com (web21506.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1959A43D3F for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:12:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from time_to_hack@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040716161241.39163.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.248.72.254] by web21506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:12:41 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:12:41 -0700 (PDT) From: bsd hack To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Regarding FreeBSD Custom Kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:12:41 -0000 Hi All, I have a few basic questions regarding building a custom Kernel: (1) Once I configure, make and make install the custom kernel... it will get written to /boot/kernel. Now I have already made a backup of the working kernel. what I need to know is when I get the boot loader menu(when it counts from 1 to 10) is there any way in which I can Include another option for my Custom Kernel. I want the default to remain as the working kernel... and I want an option for my Custom kernel in the menu... (2) Secondly I dont understand the boot prompt and the loader prompt completely. at the boot prompt I guess I can specify the kernel I want to load. So lets say I have my custom kernel in the directory /boot/mydir/custom-kernel. so how do I specify at the boot prompt or the loader prompt to load the custom kernel (3) And finally I had downloaded the source code of freeBSD and I configured, did a make and a make install without making any changes ...(Just to get it started!) ... when I rebooted the system it failed to recognize the disk and so I reinstalled FreeBSD again...( hadnt enabled any debug options so could not recover any information!!)... Is there anything that "HAS" to be done before installing the new kernel? any help will be appreciated. Thank you HKR --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 16 17:34:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5BF16A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:34:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (imap.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3BC2543D48 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:34:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mayday@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 5248 invoked by uid 65534); 16 Jul 2004 17:34:15 -0000 Received: from p508A9728.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.0.12]) (80.138.151.40) by mail.gmx.net (mp016) with SMTP; 16 Jul 2004 19:34:15 +0200 X-Authenticated: #431110 From: Benjamin Sobotta To: bsd hack Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:38:31 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040716161241.39163.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040716161241.39163.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407161938.31990.mayday@gmx.net> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Regarding FreeBSD Custom Kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:34:18 -0000 On Friday 16 July 2004 16:12, bsd hack wrote: > Hi All, > I have a few basic questions regarding building a custom Kernel: > > (1) Once I configure, make and make install the custom kernel... it will > get written to /boot/kernel. Now I have already made a backup of the > working kernel. what I need to know is when I get the boot loader > menu(when it counts from 1 to 10) is there any way in which I can Include > another option for my Custom Kernel. I want the default to remain as the > working kernel... and I want an option for my Custom kernel in the menu... No need to make a backup. The previous is automatically copied to /boot/kernel.old. Besides you don't use configure, make, make install to compile and install a new kernel but "make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOURKERNEL" and "make installkernel KERNCONF=YOURKERNEL". http://www.de.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html > > (2) Secondly I dont understand the boot prompt and the loader prompt > completely. at the boot prompt I guess I can specify the kernel I want to > load. So lets say I have my custom kernel in the directory > /boot/mydir/custom-kernel. so how do I specify at the boot prompt or the > loader prompt to load the custom kernel > well theoretically you type at boot prompt: "unload kernel" "boot mydir" I'm not really sure what happens if you rename the kernel itself. Personally I would ONLY copy or move the directory. > (3) And finally I had downloaded the source code of freeBSD and I > configured, did a make and a make install without making any changes > ...(Just to get it started!) ... when I rebooted the system it failed to > recognize the disk and so I reinstalled FreeBSD again...( hadnt enabled any > debug options so could not recover any information!!)... Is there anything > that "HAS" to be done before installing the new kernel? > Kernel and "world" should be in sync. So if you download the sources you want to reinstall world _and_ kernel. This is especially important when there were version changes in between. http://www.de.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/synching.html http://www.de.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html > any help will be appreciated. I hope this helps a little bit since I'm also not an expert.... :) Ben > > Thank you > HKR > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 16 18:06:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1AE916A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:06:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web21510.mail.yahoo.com (web21510.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AA93D43D2F for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:06:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from time_to_hack@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040716180624.93692.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.248.72.254] by web21510.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:06:24 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:06:24 -0700 (PDT) From: bsd hack To: Benjamin Sobotta In-Reply-To: <200407161938.31990.mayday@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Regarding FreeBSD Custom Kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:06:24 -0000 Hi, Thanks for the help... I still have a question:) !!! >> (1) Once I configure, make and make install the custom kernel... it will >> get written to /boot/kernel. Now I have already made a backup of the >> working kernel. what I need to know is when I get the boot loader >> menu(when it counts from 1 to 10) is there any way in which I can Include >> another option for my Custom Kernel. I want the default to remain as the >> working kernel... and I want an option for my Custom kernel in the menu... >No need to make a backup. The previous is automatically copied >to /boot/kernel.old. Besides you don't use configure, make, make install to >compile and install a new kernel but "make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOURKERNEL" >and "make installkernel KERNCONF=YOURKERNEL". > http://www.de.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html I realize that a back-up is available on an install.... But what I want is when I get the loader menu I want to select between the custom kernel and the default working kernel... I want to add the option to the loader menu... Thank you HKR --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 16 19:10:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578F516A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:10:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 537B643D53 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:10:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6GJAKir061170 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:10:20 GMT (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i6GJAKm7061130 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:10:20 GMT (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:10:20 GMT From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200407161910.i6GJAKm7061130@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:10:20 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 16 21:07:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B3916A4CF for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:07:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fidel.freesurf.fr (fidel.freesurf.fr [212.43.206.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D46E43D55 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:07:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ogautherot@freesurf.fr) Received: from freesurf.fr (du-209-146.nat.adsl.claranet.fr [212.43.209.146]) by fidel.freesurf.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D122A50A7; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:07:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <40F6F308.1070009@freesurf.fr> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:11:36 +0200 From: Olivier Gautherot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040709 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Josh References: <000e01c46b43$efd98f50$0401010a@blackbox> In-Reply-To: <000e01c46b43$efd98f50$0401010a@blackbox> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: adsl router, dhcp works to the router but not the net? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:07:27 -0000 Hi Josh! The connection to the net is not automatic - especially with ADSL. If you have another machine that already sets up the connection, you could share it (I do it from time to time with my wife's PC that runs WinXP - please don't flame :-) )In this case a command like the folowing can help: route add -net 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 assuming 192.168.0.1 is the address of the gateway. I suggest you check the command ppp - except that the script that comes with the distribution does not always work. I attach another one Josh wrote: >Hi, > >I'm very new to freebsd, i have managed installing and setting up dhcp, but i cant access the net. > > First of all, welcome to the BSD world! Do you mean DHCP client? >i can get to my modem web config all good and fine, but can't access sites. > > You seem to have a clever modem. I wonder whether a simple: route add -net 0.0.0.0 10.0.0.137 (assuming the last field is the IP address of your modem) could do the job. Another thing to investigate is DNS. Try pinging 66.94.230.36 (that's www.yahoo.com): if it replies, your problem is the DNS. >is there a program within bsd to diagnose this? > >i used ifconfig but that means nothing. > > Option -a of ifconfig may give you some additional advice - except that if you don't have a bare ADSL modem, you may not need tunnelling so you may not have a tun0 entry in the list. Try pinging the modem and the IP address of your service provider's gateway. This will give you some advice regarding the connection itself. Cheerio Olivier From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 16 21:19:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D24716A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:19:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fujitsu2.fujitsu.com (fujitsu2.fujitsu.com [192.240.0.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED05243D39 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:19:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jon.barnard@PFUsystems.com) Received: from fujitsu2.fujitsu.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fujitsu2.fujitsu.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i6GLJaNv021032 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fnanic.fujitsu.com ([133.164.253.1]) by fujitsu2.fujitsu.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i6GLJZdG020998 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from center.pfuca.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fnanic.fujitsu.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6GLJSCw024223 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cellwks04.PFUsystems.com (IDENT:root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by center.pfuca.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id i6GLLs330606 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:21:55 -0700 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20040716141444.03e4c650@133.164.150.1> X-Sender: jbarnard@133.164.150.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 X-Priority: 2 (High) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:17:45 -0700 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org From: Jon Barnard Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: hi res logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:19:37 -0000 Hi , I need a high resolution logo of the free BSD with daemon in jpeg or eps suitable for enlargement. Non-animated --higher res than --GIF. Also looking for openbsd logo hi res file. Much appreciate any help you can provide on this . THX. jon From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 16 21:47:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23DD16A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:47:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freeode.co.uk (freeode.co.uk [213.162.123.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB6D43D1F for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:47:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from spam-trap@freeode.co.uk) Received: from lexx (lexx.freeode.co.uk [10.253.253.2]) by mail.freeode.co.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6GLlNN5078649; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:47:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from spam-trap@freeode.co.uk) From: John Murphy To: "Josh" Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:47:23 +0100 Message-ID: References: <000e01c46b43$efd98f50$0401010a@blackbox> In-Reply-To: <000e01c46b43$efd98f50$0401010a@blackbox> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: adsl router, dhcp works to the router but not the net? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: sub01@freeode.co.uk List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:47:29 -0000 "Josh" wrote: >I'm very new to freebsd, i have managed installing and setting >up dhcp, but i cant access the net. > >i can get to my modem web config all good and fine, but can't >access sites. Can you access this one?: http://216.136.204.117/ It's www.freebsd.org IP so if you can access by IP number it is likely that your resolver isn't configured. >is there a program within bsd to diagnose this? > >i used ifconfig but that means nothing. Means nothing to you perhaps but its output would help other list subscribers to help you. You should send your question to questions@freebsd.org where all technical questions should go, and you should include as much information as you can eg. the output of 'ifconfig -a', 'cat /etc/resolv.conf', 'netstat -rn' and 'uname -a'. >i am new soz. No problem, we were all new once ;) -- John. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 17 11:26:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EDCD16A4CE for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 11:26:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dtcimfe2.celcom.net.my (dtcimfe2.celcom.net.my [203.82.64.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C9D43D2D for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 11:26:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alsemo@celcom.net.my) Received: from [210.195.128.40] by dtcimfe2.celcom.net.my with ESMTP id <20040717112147.CIQO2228.dtcimfe2@[210.195.128.40]> for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:21:47 +0800 Message-ID: <40F90CC5.6050908@celcom.net.my> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:25:57 +0800 From: Ahmad Zulkarnain User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Windows/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies X-Enigmail-Version: 0.84.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD and Me X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 11:26:42 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi guys, I'm a bit reluctant at first, to mail this email but after a few weeks thinkin, why not. I'm a newbie FreeBSD user, runnin 5.2.1-current on Clevo M22ES clone (Hyundai D270S). You see, I'm not goin to ask question here, but just to promote a few page I made on FreeBSD runnin on my laptop. It's about me, as a newbie, experiencin FreeBSD and tryin to make it work as the way I want it to on my laptop. Here's the url: http://www.alsemo.isdangerous.com It's a personal homepage so you might wanna click right to the [FreeBSD & Me] section to spare yourself from other irrelevant borin things ;). Take a look and tell me what do u think. Thanks! - -- Karl http://www.alsemo.isdangerous.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA+QzEZ7L55/p4Pw4RApvFAJ0UUZiIZPuuF0OmoU0FbX7LXrrD9gCeIvof vWuadjq4+ifTXWFoiJ2Uyis= =7S30 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 17 11:52:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C7916A4CE for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 11:52:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B877B43D54 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 11:52:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from d3c3it-linux@ntlworld.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([213.106.176.22]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040717115105.RTWQ16133.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:51:05 +0100 From: Glyn Tebbutt To: Freebsd-Newbies Mailinglist Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Xfz8wiVpHXFGt8V7bB84" Message-Id: <1090065129.8050.3.camel@frozen.lazarus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:52:09 +0100 Subject: Kernl Panic and restart X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 11:52:26 -0000 --=-Xfz8wiVpHXFGt8V7bB84 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-GqVcQwy4nCxEPRmRbW1o" --=-GqVcQwy4nCxEPRmRbW1o Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Guys After a few days hacking i'm finally getting the hang of freebsd, very different to linux but linux seems simular in some ways but anyway, finally got my head around updating the system, compiling my own kernel, compiling the world which was successful yesturday only problem is now every so often my new custom kernel just reboots for no reason at all. Would it be possible that someone have a look at my config and see if ive missed anything out ? 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(mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F88016A4CE for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:22:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730B143D1F for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:22:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Sat, 17 Jul 2004 09:23:42 -0500 Message-ID: <40F93607.7080902@daleco.biz> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 09:21:59 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040712 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dominic Caffey References: <20040712165921.62416.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040712165921.62416.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2004 14:23:43.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9A6C180:01C46C09] cc: Newbies FreeBSD Subject: Re: Drivers floppy for FreeBSD 4.10 - Need xl(4) driver to do FTP install...from floppies X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:22:04 -0000 Dominic Caffey wrote: >Dear FreeBSD Newbies, > > I am trying to install FreeBSD 4.10 via FTP. > I downloaded the fixit, kern & mfsroot floppies >and feed them to the machine as they're >requested. Problem is that when I get to the >kernel modules configuration, there is no driver >for my network card, 3Com3c905 PCI. I checked >the hardware notes at >http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.10R/hardware-i386.html >and >http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=xl&sektion=4&manpath=FreeBSD+4.10-RELEASE >and the card I'm trying to use is definitely >supported but I see no way to make it available >to the installation process and I couldn't find a >drivers floppy for the 4.10 release. How do I >make the "xl(4)" driver available to the install >process? A little guidance or referral to a faq >would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, > > First off, I'll cover my butt: This is the "newbies" list, not the "questions" list, so you should really send your questions over there, where you'll have a much better chance of getting an answer (it might even be correct!) I've been away for a few days, but didn't see a reply to your message to the list. The "Kernel Configuration" is basically a legacy screen for legacy hardware. The xl(4) driver is built into the GENERIC kernel, and you have no need to do anything during setup to enable the card. HTH, Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 17 17:22:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD5F816A4CE for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:22:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.184]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7580B43D4C for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:22:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.26.85 with login) by smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2004 17:22:48 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 10:23:34 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040712165921.62416.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> <40F93607.7080902@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: <40F93607.7080902@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407171023.34839.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Subject: Newbies list (was: Re: Drivers floppy for FreeBSD 4.10 - Need xl(4) driver to do FTP install...from floppies) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: krinklyfig@spymac.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:22:48 -0000 On Saturday 17 July 2004 07:21 am, "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." wrote: > First off, I'll cover my butt: This is the "newbies" > list, not the "questions" list, so you should really > send your questions over there, where you'll have > a much better chance of getting an answer (it might > even be correct!) I've noticed this is a very frequent misunderstanding here. The term "newbies" implies that people new to FreeBSD would find some help on the list. It's difficult to determine how useful a list is for newbies which just offers moral - not technical - support, but I like the idea anyway. Perhaps this would be better as a moderated list, with an auto-ack that has a brief FAQ about the purpose of the list? It's low traffic enough that it wouldn't be difficult. Heck, I'll even offer to help moderate it (I have experience), but the technical aspects of setting it to work that way, though simple, would have to be handled by the list owner. Is this a silly suggestion, or does anyone else think a moderated list would work better? - jt From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 17 17:58:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA60516A4CE for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:58:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C92343D2D for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:58:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.26.85 with login) by smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2004 17:58:32 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: "FreeBSD-newbies" Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 10:59:29 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040712165921.62416.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> <40F93607.7080902@daleco.biz> <200407171023.34839.krinklyfig@spymac.com> In-Reply-To: <200407171023.34839.krinklyfig@spymac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407171059.29493.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Subject: Re: Newbies list (was: Re: Drivers floppy for FreeBSD 4.10 - Need xl(4) driver to do FTP install...from floppies) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: krinklyfig@spymac.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:58:33 -0000 OK, I see that my questions about a moderated list have been covered previously (mea culpa for not searching the archives). Still, I think it would work better that way, but maybe the subject is a dead horse now. - jt From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 17 19:48:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A6FB16A4CE for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:48:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web14204.mail.yahoo.com (web14204.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E04A343D55 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:48:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arunswarup@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040717194809.33690.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [61.2.209.197] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 20:48:09 BST Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 20:48:09 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Arun=20Swarup?= To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:48:10 -0000 hi, i am considering moving over to FreeBSD from Linux (its too hot out there.... esp the M$ bashing) i have a few questions/concerns 1. I want a usable workstation & i want to prevent script-kiddies ripping thru my system. Is OpenBSD necessary? 2. What if x86 goes out-of-fashion? what happens then? Should i move to NetBSD? 3. Will i get a job if i learn FreeBSD & neglect the inner-workings of Linux? thx, Arun Swarup ===== _______ Ananda asked Kashapa: `Buddha gave you the golden-woven robe of successorship. What else did he give you?' Kashapa said: `Ananda.' Ananda answered: `Yes, brother.' Said Kashapa: `Now you can take down my preaching sign and put up your own.' - From `The Gateless Gate' ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Careers: Over 65,000 jobs online Go to: http://yahoo.naukri.com/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 17 20:46:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F61E16A4CE for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 20:46:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D0DE043D5A for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 20:46:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.26.85 with login) by smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2004 20:46:25 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:47:23 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040717194809.33690.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040717194809.33690.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407171347.23351.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Subject: Re: X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: krinklyfig@spymac.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 20:46:26 -0000 On Saturday 17 July 2004 12:48 pm, Arun Swarup wrote: > hi, > > i am considering moving over to FreeBSD from Linux (its too hot > out there.... esp the M$ bashing) Eh ... well, I tend to ignore that when making a decision to use an OS or other software. My concerns are: does it work? can I hack it for my own purposes? does it suit my needs? etc. The politics aside from the basics about open source can distract from the practical uses of the technology. For instance, Linus Torvalds and Richard Stallman tend to disagree on some fundamental philosophical issues, but it's not as if they haven't helped create some very useful stuff in the meantime (even if Richard still insists people call it GNU/Linux). > i have a few questions/concerns > > 1. I want a usable workstation & i want to prevent > script-kiddies ripping thru my system. Is OpenBSD necessary? Not necessarily. FreeBSD is already very secure, but if you're that concerned, then I recommend setting up a separate box with OpenBSD to act as a firewall. Are you in a situation where you need very high security? This is where OpenBSD excels: security, and your network will be more secure by design if you do firewalling on its own dedicated machine. Also, OpenBSD's excellent firewall, pf, has been ported to FreeBSD 5.x. FreeBSD is not as picky about code improvements (the team at OpenBSD analyzes every line of code before committing, which does take some time), therefore you're more likely to get a better all-around workstation with a FreeBSD system than an OpenBSD system, depending on what you want to do on it. For example, FreeBSD can work on more hardware than OpenBSD, and you can still use XFree86 or X.org, and whatever window manager you like (sometimes I prefer using IceWM, and other times I prefer KDE, so they're both installed and used on my system, and I just switched from XFree86 to X.org today). Generally, FreeBSD is a server platform, but its stability and compatibility with Linux makes it a good workstation choice, as well. I was originally going to set up this box to be an OpenBSD workstation, not having used *BSD before but wanting a secure system, but it wouldn't recognize my network card (it's fairly new, but it's very common). The choice was made for me, but I'm happier for it. In time, I'm planning on setting up another box to be used as a firewall with OpenBSD. > 2. What if x86 goes out-of-fashion? what happens then? > Should i move to NetBSD? What happens? Good question ... However, in such a situation, I doubt that FreeBSD would just sit on x86 and let it go at that. NetBSD is known for its wide hardware compatibility, but it trades off stability to accomplish this. It's great for tricky/odd/old hardware and embedded systems, but it's not so great as a workstation or for webserving where stability is crucial, IMO. You should also know that FreeBSD supports SMP and 64-bit CPUs. > 3. Will i get a job if i learn FreeBSD & neglect the > inner-workings of Linux? Another good question. Something you might want to consider is that FreeBSD is very popular as a webserver. It's consistently and often profusely listed in Netcraft's longest uptime list: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html Hotmail used FreeBSD for a long time, and they may still use it. They don't like to talk about it much, but it's not a rumor ... Anyway, I would consider using FreeBSD to be extending your skillset (but you should know I've become enamored with FreeBSD since installing it, and so sometimes I evangelize about it). Since you're coming from Linux, you'll probably still use a lot of Linux apps on your FreeBSD system, and you'll likely learn a thing or two about both systems because of it. It's not all that different - they are, after all, both *nix systems. And you can easily do a multi-boot system ... well, it depends on some factors, but it's not difficult. Mine is tri-boot: FreeBSD, Slackware and Win2k. No need to dump what you have, but I would recommend giving FreeBSD a shot. It may not be the right workstation OS for you, but there's a good chance you'll come to like it more than anything you've used so far ... ah, see, there's that evangelizing coming through ;) - jt