From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 26 07:06:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD2416A4CE; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 07:06:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0844543D1D; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 07:06:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC525771; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 00:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13121-04; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 00:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 76BEC54A6; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 00:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040926071002.76BEC54A6@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 00:10:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2004-09-05 - 2004-09-25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 07:06:36 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 27 01:03:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2ECA16A4CE for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 01:03:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BFA43D31 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 01:03:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdfsse@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.0.28] (ool-43532b7b.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.43.123]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I4O0095LDM7B7@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:03:51 -0400 From: bsdfsse To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <415766F7.3070301@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) Subject: Do I upgrade from 5.x to anything ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 01:03:44 -0000 Hi, I have been running 4.10-Stable for about 3 weeks, and one of my computers doesn't work with it. Apparently FreeBSD 4.x doesn't like the Asus motherboard's HD controller, and I constantly get disk errors. HOWEVER, 5.x seems to work fine. For the last few weeks, I've been going through this ritual of installing 4.10-Release, then immediately upgrading to 4-Stable - using the instructions in a book I bought ("Absolute BSD"). My big machine has an Asus motherboard, 160GB, and 2 x 200GB Maxtor drives. It also has a new 400w power supply, and a Celeron chip. I basically replaced every part of the machine trying to get to 4.x to work, then gave up and am trying to run 5.x. Is there something I should be doing after I install 5.x-Release to get the latest software? On 4.x I would install "cvsup" and "cvsup-without-gui", then running "cvs -g -L 2 stable-supfile", and finally doing a make buildworld, etc, etc. I have no idea what my options are on 5.x I heard 5.x-Stable is coming out in October, so does that mean you can't really update 5.x until October? I installed the 5.3-Beta CD, but the stable-supfile looks like it will try to get the 4.x stable code. I also did not really want to run "current" since this machine is supposed to be my home server. I mostly want my ports up to date, so I can run Thunderbird, Firefox, etc (if they are available on 5.x). Maybe I should make my working 4.x box my "server", and make my nonworking machine a 5.x "desktop". My original plan was to run 4.x on all my home boxen, then load 5.x when it got to around 5.3.1 - except now my big box wont run 4.x. So I am forced to load 5.x now, or just let the machine sit for a month. Another option is to try and use the help on the mail lists to figure out why 4.x wont run on my big box. I tried so many things I don't really want to think about it anymore, lol. The Asus motherboard is a replacement for another one that died while initially trying to install 4.x I literally replaced everything inside the case: power supply, motherboard, chip, drive controller, RAM, HD's, cables, CDR's, cables. The current error is the hardware error "Signal 11". %-( Well back to my original question: Any suggestions on how to get the currently available 5.x tree modestly up-to-date? Or should I wait until it matures more? thx! From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 27 01:48:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B1416A4CE for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 01:48:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E428D43D48 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 01:48:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Sun, 26 Sep 2004 20:44:59 -0500 Message-ID: <4157716F.5080408@daleco.biz> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 20:48:31 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040712 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bsdfsse References: <415766F7.3070301@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <415766F7.3070301@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2004 01:45:00.0279 (UTC) FILETIME=[99BCC870:01C4A433] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Do I upgrade from 5.x to anything ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 01:48:36 -0000 bsdfsse wrote: > > Hi, > > I have been running 4.10-Stable for about 3 weeks, and one of my > computers doesn't work with it. > Apparently FreeBSD 4.x doesn't like the Asus motherboard's HD > controller, and I constantly get disk > errors. HOWEVER, 5.x seems to work fine. > Seems strange, but not impossible. > For the last few weeks, I've been going through this ritual of > installing 4.10-Release, then immediately > upgrading to 4-Stable - using the instructions in a book I bought > ("Absolute BSD"). > > My big machine has an Asus motherboard, 160GB, and 2 x 200GB Maxtor > drives. It also has a new > 400w power supply, and a Celeron chip. I basically replaced every > part of the machine trying to get to > 4.x to work, then gave up and am trying to run 5.x. > > Is there something I should be doing after I install 5.x-Release to > get the latest software? On 4.x I would > install "cvsup" and "cvsup-without-gui", then running "cvs -g -L 2 > stable-supfile", and finally doing a make > buildworld, etc, etc. I have no idea what my options are on 5.x Same story. But you don't need to install both "cvsup" and "cvsup-without-gui". Unless you've just gotta have eye candy, just install the nogui version and run it in an xterm or something ... or an alternate console... > > I heard 5.x-Stable is coming out in October, so does that mean you > can't really update 5.x until October? > I installed the 5.3-Beta CD, but the stable-supfile looks like it will > try to get the 4.x stable code. I also did > not really want to run "current" since this machine is supposed to be > my home server. > HEAD is now been tagged as version 6 ... you're right that you don't want that. See more below... > I mostly want my ports up to date, so I can run Thunderbird, Firefox, > etc (if they are available on 5.x). > Well, you don't need to cvsup *src* to get your ports up to date. Your ports tree would need to be updated, and then reinstall those ports. Or use portupgrade ... And the ports tree is the same for everybody. You always cvsup CURRENT ports .... > Maybe I should make my working 4.x box my "server", and make my > nonworking machine a 5.x "desktop". > > My original plan was to run 4.x on all my home boxen, then load 5.x > when it got to around 5.3.1 - except > now my big box wont run 4.x. So I am forced to load 5.x now, or just > let the machine sit for a month. > If you have 5.3BETA, run it, and cvsup/makebuildworld, etc next month. Not a problem AFAIK. Now, if you'd been running 5.1 that'd be a different story, as I understand it .... > Another option is to try and use the help on the mail lists to figure > out why 4.x wont run on my big box. > I tried so many things I don't really want to think about it anymore, > lol. The Asus motherboard is a replacement > for another one that died while initially trying to install 4.x I > literally replaced everything inside the case: power > supply, motherboard, chip, drive controller, RAM, HD's, cables, CDR's, > cables. The current error is the hardware > error "Signal 11". %-( > > Well back to my original question: Any suggestions on how to get the > currently available 5.x tree modestly > up-to-date? Or should I wait until it matures more? > > thx! > Well, 5.3BETA is pretty doggone up to date if you ask me ... but, whatever. An understanding of the RELEASE tags might help. That information is in the Handbook, Chapter 19 IIRC, "The Cutting Edge". You should be able to modify the stable-supfile to grab RELENG_5 instead of RELENG_4, this would get you to "BETA3", methinks (haven't checked the site today, but IIRC that's what was on ftp two days ago when I was there.) For ports, use /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile when you cvsup. You may also want to install portupgrade (/usr/ports/sysutils/portupgrade), although there were problems with it a few days ago; I think they're fixed now, caveat emptor and YMMV and all that .... Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 27 03:35:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541E716A4CE for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 03:35:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DDC143D2F for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 03:35:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdfsse@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.0.28] (ool-43532b7b.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.43.123]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I4O000FNKN52D@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:35:38 -0400 From: bsdfsse In-reply-to: <4157716F.5080408@daleco.biz> To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." Message-id: <41578A8A.3030504@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <415766F7.3070301@optonline.net> <4157716F.5080408@daleco.biz> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Do I upgrade from 5.x to anything ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 03:35:30 -0000 Hi Kevin, I'm not sure the best way to intersperse my comments, but I deleted some of my original text to make this reply more concise. Sorry if that makes this confusing, let me know if thats not the ideal way of emailing on a list: >> computers doesn't work with it. Apparently FreeBSD 4.x doesn't like >> the Asus motherboard's HD controller, and I constantly get disk >> errors. HOWEVER, 5.x seems to work fine. > > Seems strange, but not impossible. I read that the dreaded "Signal 11" that I have been getting is something the developers are looking for reproducible examples of. I will try to get some specifics on what I'm seeing. > Same story. But you don't need to install both "cvsup" and > "cvsup-without-gui". Unless you've just > gotta have eye candy, just install the nogui version and run it in an > xterm or something ... or an Ok, cool. I was installing them both for good measure. I will only install the no-gui one now. > Well, you don't need to cvsup *src* to get your ports up to date. Your > ports tree would need to > be updated, and then reinstall those ports. Or use portupgrade ... I need to read up on this. I've been updating everything in one fell swoop, thanks for point this out. I had it stuck in my head that the ports and kernel had to be upgraded together. > And the ports tree is the same for everybody. You always cvsup CURRENT > ports .... INTERESTING. I did not know that. I thought when I installed FreeBSD 4-RELEASE from CD, it had an old (7.3) version of Firefox. After I did my update everything ritual, I was able to get the latest one (9.3). I need to better understand that process. > If you have 5.3BETA, run it, and cvsup/makebuildworld, etc next month. > Not a problem AFAIK. Now, One of the reasons I am running 4.x is because a friend of mine is going to run a website on FreeBSD, and we are learning about it together. Since he heard that he should run a website on 4.x, we decided to run it exclusively. The only gotcha that has been encountered was *my* server not liking 4.x. Should my friend be running 5.x? He is going to be using Apache, PHP, and MySQL. He doesn't want to get hacked, basically. > An understanding of the RELEASE tags might help. That information > is in the Handbook, Chapter 19 IIRC, "The Cutting Edge". I need to keep rereading that section until it sinks in better. > You should be able to modify the stable-supfile to grab RELENG_5 instead > of RELENG_4, this would get you to "BETA3", methinks (haven't checked I will check that out. > For ports, use /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile when you cvsup. > You may also want to install portupgrade (/usr/ports/sysutils/portupgrade), > although there were problems with it a few days ago; I think they're fixed > now, caveat emptor and YMMV and all that .... I haven't used portupgrade yet, but I keep hearing about it. I keep going in to /usr/ports/ and running "make install clean" on everything. My friend said I might need to run "make config", but I didn't see where I would know if that needed to be done. There was a problem with RUBY the other day, that honked up one my upgrade rituals I was performing. There was a fix using "portindexdb", I think, which I also think was then removed from the /usr/port/ tree. When I installed GNOME2 on my laptop, I used pkg_add to install the binary, so it wouldn't compile for 14 hours. That worked great, and GNOME2 was running in about 10 minutes. I will focus on the RELEASE/CURRENT/STABLE designations. Maybe my friend will move to 5.x, but prolly not since his system is almost fully functional on 4.x. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 28 03:46:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C0C16A4CF for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 03:46:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92.asp.att.net [63.240.76.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA62443D48 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 03:46:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from nbritton.org (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92) with SMTP id <20040928034615i920071ru2e>; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 03:46:16 +0000 Message-ID: <4158DE7D.4000401@nbritton.org> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:46:05 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." References: <415766F7.3070301@optonline.net> <4157716F.5080408@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: <4157716F.5080408@daleco.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: bsdfsse cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Do I upgrade from 5.x to anything ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 03:46:17 -0000 Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > bsdfsse wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> I have been running 4.10-Stable for about 3 weeks, and one of my >> computers doesn't work with it. Apparently FreeBSD 4.x doesn't like >> the Asus motherboard's HD controller, and I constantly get disk >> errors. HOWEVER, 5.x seems to work fine. >> > > Seems strange, but not impossible. > >> For the last few weeks, I've been going through this ritual of >> installing 4.10-Release, then immediately >> upgrading to 4-Stable - using the instructions in a book I bought >> ("Absolute BSD"). >> >> My big machine has an Asus motherboard, 160GB, and 2 x 200GB Maxtor >> drives. It also has a new >> 400w power supply, and a Celeron chip. I basically replaced every >> part of the machine trying to get to >> 4.x to work, then gave up and am trying to run 5.x. >> >> Is there something I should be doing after I install 5.x-Release to >> get the latest software? On 4.x I would >> install "cvsup" and "cvsup-without-gui", then running "cvs -g -L 2 >> stable-supfile", and finally doing a make >> buildworld, etc, etc. I have no idea what my options are on 5.x > > > > Same story. But you don't need to install both "cvsup" and > "cvsup-without-gui". Unless you've just > gotta have eye candy, just install the nogui version and run it in an > xterm or something ... or an > alternate console... I agree... > > >> >> I heard 5.x-Stable is coming out in October, so does that mean you >> can't really update 5.x until October? I installed the 5.3-Beta CD, >> but the stable-supfile looks like it will try to get the 4.x stable >> code. I also did >> not really want to run "current" since this machine is supposed to be >> my home server. >> > > HEAD is now been tagged as version 6 ... you're right that you don't > want that. See more below... FreeBSD-CURRENT (HEAD) is now v6, at one time it was v5, v4, v3, .... Unless you are suicidal or a FreeBSD developer you should never track HEAD. There are a few exceptions though, for example when -CURRENT is getting ready to become a -STABLE branch, like with FreeBSD 5.0/5.1/5.2, but even then you should only stay within that release branch, For example FreeBSD v5.2.1's CVS branch tag would then be RELENG_5_2, updating would then give you only security and errata fixes for 5.2.x, not HEAD. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/current-stable.html http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html > > >> I mostly want my ports up to date, so I can run Thunderbird, Firefox, >> etc (if they are available on 5.x). >> > > Well, you don't need to cvsup *src* to get your ports up to date. > Your ports tree would need to > be updated, and then reinstall those ports. Or use portupgrade ... > > And the ports tree is the same for everybody. You always cvsup > CURRENT ports .... The FreeBSD ports system has no concept of branches and what not. So whenever you CVSup it will allways be tracking HEAD. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html > > >> Maybe I should make my working 4.x box my "server", and make my >> nonworking machine a 5.x "desktop". >> >> My original plan was to run 4.x on all my home boxen, then load 5.x >> when it got to around 5.3.1 - except >> now my big box wont run 4.x. So I am forced to load 5.x now, or just >> let the machine sit for a month. >> > > If you have 5.3BETA, run it, and cvsup/makebuildworld, etc next > month. Not a problem AFAIK. Now, > if you'd been running 5.1 that'd be a different story, as I understand > it ... In most circumstances if your a newbie to FreeBSD and your hardware is a i586 or better you should forget about using FreeBSD 4.x and just use 5.x, there is no point in learning about 4.x and then having to relearn 5.x. FreeBSD does not normally have point releases, so FreeBSD 5.3.1 will never happen, FreeBSD 5.2.1 was the exception to the rule. What you should do is download and install FreeBSD 5.3-BETA6-i386-disc1.iso and set your sup-file to track the RELENG_5_3 branch. Then when 5.3-RELEASE is released and the 5.3 (RELENG_5_3) branch is cut you can CVSup and update your system to 5.3-RELEASE pXX (p = patch level). Then when 5.4 is released you would change your sup-file to RELENG_5_4 and update your system to the 5.4 branch. You should NOT be tracking 5-STABLE (RELENG_5) until things settle down a bit, my guess is after 5.5-RELEASE. This is because tracking -STABLE does not guaranty system stability, what it mean is that the code base is relatively stable and that it will not receive *radical* changes. http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html#freeze http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/releng/index.html > . > >> Another option is to try and use the help on the mail lists to figure >> out why 4.x wont run on my big box. I tried so many things I don't >> really want to think about it anymore, lol. The Asus motherboard is >> a replacement >> for another one that died while initially trying to install 4.x I >> literally replaced everything inside the case: power >> supply, motherboard, chip, drive controller, RAM, HD's, cables, >> CDR's, cables. The current error is the hardware >> error "Signal 11". %-( >> >> Well back to my original question: Any suggestions on how to get the >> currently available 5.x tree modestly >> up-to-date? Or should I wait until it matures more? >> >> thx! >> > > Well, 5.3BETA is pretty doggone up to date if you ask me ... but, > whatever. > > An understanding of the RELEASE tags might help. That information > is in the Handbook, Chapter 19 IIRC, "The Cutting Edge". > > You should be able to modify the stable-supfile to grab RELENG_5 instead > of RELENG_4, this would get you to "BETA3", methinks (haven't checked > the site today, but IIRC that's what was on ftp two days ago when I was > there.) > > For ports, use /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile when you cvsup. > You may also want to install portupgrade > (/usr/ports/sysutils/portupgrade), > although there were problems with it a few days ago; I think they're > fixed > now, caveat emptor and YMMV and all that .... From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 30 01:07:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A211316A4CE for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 01:07:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0054043D31 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 01:07:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michael2043@comcast.net) Received: from server (c-24-10-148-239.client.comcast.net[24.10.148.239]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20040930010713011001h00se>; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 01:07:13 +0000 From: "Michael G. Goodell" To: "FreeBSD Newbies" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:07:26 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Subject: Which Version of FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: michael2043@comcast.net List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 01:07:15 -0000 Which release of FreeBSD is best for a production environment? I am aware of the different branches of development: CURRENT, STABLE, RELEASE and I *think* I understand the meaning of each from what I have read. Perhaps not since I am writing this question! But, what I would like to know is when I am setting up a production system, or desktop for that matter, which is considered *THE* most stable of the choices in versions. Is it in the 4.x branch, 5x etc... Where can I get clarification on this topic - any direction would be welcome. Thanks, Michael From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 30 02:01:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B38A16A4CE for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 02:01:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web52906.mail.yahoo.com (web52906.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.183]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D077743D2D for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 02:01:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from eduhuertas@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040930020104.34722.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.230.149.4] by web52906.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:01:04 CDT Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:01:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Eduardo Huertas To: michael2043@comcast.net, FreeBSD Newbies In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Which Version of FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 02:01:05 -0000 --- "Michael G. Goodell" escribió: > Which release of FreeBSD is best for a production > environment? I am aware of > the different branches of development: CURRENT, > STABLE, RELEASE and I > *think* I understand the meaning of each from what I > have read. Perhaps not > since I am writing this question! But, what I would > like to know is when I > am setting up a production system, or desktop for > that matter, which is > considered *THE* most stable of the choices in > versions. Is it in the 4.x > branch, 5x etc... > > Where can I get clarification on this topic - any > direction would be > welcome. > > Thanks, > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hi, 4.10 is the last Release for production servers. The 5.x branch is new technology, but it's very close to be the new stable branch. When 5.3 appears, I think. -edu- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Información de Estados Unidos y América Latina, en Yahoo! Noticias. Visítanos en http://noticias.espanol.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 30 02:36:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4272416A4CE for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 02:36:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92.asp.att.net [63.240.76.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5EF43D4C for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 02:36:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from nbritton.org (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92) with SMTP id <20040930023610i920071o0oe>; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 02:36:11 +0000 Message-ID: <415B711A.30006@nbritton.org> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:36:10 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: michael2043@comcast.net References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD Newbies Subject: Re: Which Version of FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 02:36:12 -0000 -CURRENT or -STABLE should not be used in production environments. FreeBSD in general is very stable and well tested but if you want the most stable it would be the 4.x branch. The following is a snippet from page 119 of Michael Lucas's book, Absolute BSD: The Ultimate Guide to FreeBSD. ----------------------------------- Which Release Should You Use? FreeBSD uses the same release system as it does for quality control. Though it may seem like a complex system, it allows users to rest assured that a release is supported by the community, and that it has been through peer review and extensive testing. That same user knows that the nifty new features in -stable and -current are available, if she's willing to pay the price. So which release should you use? Production: If you're using FreeBSD in a production setting, track the security branch of a -release. Test: If you're a network administrator interested in seeing how changes in FreeBSD will affect your environment, track -stable on a test system. Development: If you're an operating system developer, have too much spare time and too little excitement, or are a blind idiot, -current is for you. When -current destroys your MP3 collection, debug the problem and submit a patch to correct it. Hobby: If you're a hobbyist, you can run any version! Just keep in mind the limitations of the branch you're using. If you're just learning UNIX, -release is what you want. Once you have your feet under you, upgrade to -stable. If you have nothing better to do, and have nothing but utter contempt for your data, you're welcome to join the masochists over in -current. -------------------------------------- Michael G. Goodell wrote: >Which release of FreeBSD is best for a production environment? I am aware of >the different branches of development: CURRENT, STABLE, RELEASE and I >*think* I understand the meaning of each from what I have read. Perhaps not >since I am writing this question! But, what I would like to know is when I >am setting up a production system, or desktop for that matter, which is >considered *THE* most stable of the choices in versions. Is it in the 4.x >branch, 5x etc... > >Where can I get clarification on this topic - any direction would be >welcome. > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 30 14:05:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E332916A4CE for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:05:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.99]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7EA4F43D41 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:05:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from erkmd@yahoo.com.br) Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2004 14:05:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:05:21 -0000 From: "Erika Medeiros" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 150.161.3.91 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose Subject: Burn an audio CD from mp3 files X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:05:24 -0000 Hi, I have some mp3 files in my pc and I'd like to burn a cd with them. I have no software installed to burn cds, so I'd like to use the commands that comes with FreeBSD. Can someone help? Thanks, Erika From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 30 14:44:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F0C16A4CE for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:44:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail91.megamailservers.com (mail91.megamailservers.com [216.251.36.91]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A76F443D31 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:44:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from antadam@spymac.com) X-Authenticated-User: atnewhard.microstrain.com Received: from [192.168.167.17] (ipn36372-b84274.cidr.lightship.net [216.204.141.178]) (authenticated bits=0)i8UEi6Pe008739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:44:09 -0400 Message-ID: <415C1BB6.8090104@spymac.com> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:44:06 -0400 From: adam User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erika Medeiros References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Burn an audio CD from mp3 files X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:44:16 -0000 Linux MP3 CD Burning mini-HOWTO http://tldp.org/HOWTO/MP3-CD-Burning/ (if that doesn't work, google "cd mp3 burn mini howto") yeah, it says linux, but it still applies to bsd. It's where I learned to do the stuff and it's actually really good. It even covers volume equalizing so you don't go from one soft track to another where the recording volume is 2 fold of the previous track. Erika Medeiros wrote: >Hi, > >I have some mp3 files in my pc and I'd like to burn a cd with them. I >have no software installed to burn cds, so I'd like to use the >commands that comes with FreeBSD. >Can someone help? > >Thanks, >Erika > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 30 23:58:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D20CC16A4CE for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:58:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-qfe0.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7510C43D1D for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:58:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gwschenk@socal.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (cpe-66-74-147-103.socal.rr.com [66.74.147.103])i8UNwWkM003884; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <415C9DA6.2090609@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:58:30 -0700 From: Gary Schenk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040903 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erika Medeiros References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Burn an audio CD from mp3 files X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:58:36 -0000 Erika Medeiros wrote: > Hi, > > I have some mp3 files in my pc and I'd like to burn a cd with them. I > have no software installed to burn cds, so I'd like to use the > commands that comes with FreeBSD. > Can someone help? > > Thanks, > Erika Erika, This should get you started: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/creating-cds.html From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 1 00:54:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41A516A4CE for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 00:54:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.bitfreak.org (mail.bitfreak.org [65.75.198.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F82743D1D for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 00:54:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dmp@bitfreak.org) Received: from speck.loki.lan (c-24-21-241-225.client.comcast.net [24.21.241.225]) by mail.bitfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDA719F3C; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spud (d2.loki.lan [172.21.42.22]) by speck.loki.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A85B322E; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:54:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Darren Pilgrim" To: "'Erika Medeiros'" , Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:54:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c4a751$324ea160$162a15ac@spud> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Burn an audio CD from mp3 files X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 00:54:34 -0000 > From: Erika Medeiros >=20 > I have some mp3 files in my pc and I'd like to burn a cd with them. I > have no software installed to burn cds, so I'd like to use the > commands that comes with FreeBSD. > Can someone help? The canonical method is to convert the MP3s to PCM with program like = mpg123, then burn the PCM files to disc using a program like cdrecord. There are also many programs that can do it in one step. Some are just shells, like mp3burn. There are MP3-to-CD programs in the ports tree. There are also MP3-to-PCM and PCM-to-CD programs in the ports tree. =20 If you ask 11 people which program is best or how to do this, you'll get = 11 different answers. Open source is wonderful like that. Here are some starting points: http://mp3burn.sourceforge.net/ http://www.k3b.org/ http://cdrdao.sourceforge.net/ http://huli.org/wavbreaker From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 1 05:42:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95DE16A4CE for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 05:42:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.183]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B17C43D39 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 05:42:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (krinklyfig@pacbell.net@67.116.52.185 with plain) by smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2004 05:42:46 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:43:03 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <415C1BB6.8090104@spymac.com> In-Reply-To: <415C1BB6.8090104@spymac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200409302243.03708.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Subject: Re: Burn an audio CD from mp3 files X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: krinklyfig@spymac.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 05:42:46 -0000 On Thursday 30 September 2004 07:44 am, adam wrote: > Erika Medeiros wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I have some mp3 files in my pc and I'd like to burn a cd with them. > > I have no software installed to burn cds, so I'd like to use the > > commands that comes with FreeBSD. > >Can someone help? > > Linux MP3 CD Burning mini-HOWTO > http://tldp.org/HOWTO/MP3-CD-Burning/ > > (if that doesn't work, google "cd mp3 burn mini howto") > > yeah, it says linux, but it still applies to bsd. It's where I > learned to do the stuff and it's actually really good. It even > covers volume equalizing so you don't go from one soft track to > another where the recording volume is 2 fold of the previous track. This is pretty thorough. Thanks for posting it. Along the same lines, do you know of anything in the ports that does mixing by track, splicing, etc.? (Such as CoolEdit for win, or any simple recording and post-production mixdown software, but it has to be able to handle multiple tracks.) I have searched through the ports tree, but I'm wondering if anyone has recommendations. - jt From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 1 16:32:00 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 044F516A4CF; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:32:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B170F43D31; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:31:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdfsse@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.0.28] (ool-43532b7b.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.43.123]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I4W00IQBZ9BUS@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:32:07 -0400 From: bsdfsse In-reply-to: <415D81C4.1090200@optonline.net> To: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <415D8687.7040905@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <415B40E0.5030708@optonline.net> <16732.17233.408255.749193@satchel.alerce.com> <415D81C4.1090200@optonline.net> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Are there step-by-step VMWare instructions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:32:00 -0000 bsdfsse wrote: > > I'm going to try to install vmware2 instead of vmware3. I put a call in > to VMWare to get a 2.0 license. > > I tried everything, I think. I'm new to FreeBSD, so that is kind of > working against me. > > I will now try to dig up how to install vmware2 (I assume I don't have > to make quite some many changes). > > vmware3 kept causing the DMA Read/Write errors when I turned on the vm > machine. > > thx I didn't get very far with vmware2: ================================================================ ================================================================ cpq24# cd /usr/ports/emulators/vmware2 cpq24# make install ===> Building for vmware2-2.0.4.1142 ===> vmmon-only make -f Makefile.FreeBSD SMP=YES clean && make -f Makefile.FreeBSD SMP=YES rm -f /usr/ports/emulators/vmware2/work/vmware-distrib/vmmon-only/export_syms vmmon_smp.ko vmmon_smp.kld memtrack.o phystrack.o task.o vmx86.o driver.o hostif.o linux_emu.o vmnet_linux.o @ machine symb.tmp tmp.o Warning: Object directory not changed from original /usr/ports/emulators/vmware2/work/vmware-distrib/vmmon-only @ -> /usr/src/sys machine -> /usr/src/sys/i386/include cc -O -pipe -I/usr/ports/emulators/vmware2/work/vmware-distrib/vmmon-only/include -I/usr/ports/emulators/vmware2/work/vmware-distrib/vmmon-only/common --------------------- <> --------------------- /usr/ports/emulators/vmware2/work/vmware-distrib/vmmon-only/freebsd/driver.c:489: warning: 'FreeBSD_Driver_Poll' defined but not used /usr/ports/emulators/vmware2/work/vmware-distrib/vmmon-only/freebsd/driver.c:572: warning: 'FreeBSD_Driver_Ioctl' defined but not used *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/emulators/vmware2/work/vmware-distrib/vmmon-only. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/emulators/vmware2/work/vmware-distrib/vmmon-only. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/emulators/vmware2/work/vmware-distrib. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/emulators/vmware2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/emulators/vmware2. cpq24# ================================================================ ================================================================ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 1 19:10:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BEA16A4D0 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:10:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D9B43D1D for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:10:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i91JACLx004204 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:10:12 GMT (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i91JACPM004203 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:10:12 GMT (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:10:12 GMT From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200410011910.i91JACPM004203@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:10:13 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. 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Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 1 23:46:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE6D16A4CE for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 23:46:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from badcomputer.no-ip.com (S01060040f45d7610.ok.shawcable.net [24.66.231.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB7543D1D for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 23:46:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bulliver@badcomputer.no-ip.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (helo=nina.badcomputer.no-ip.com) by badcomputer.no-ip.com with esmtp (MailFoo 0.00) id 1CDX6t-000157-6I for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:46:47 -0700 From: Darren Kirby To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:46:44 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <415C1BB6.8090104@spymac.com> <200409302243.03708.krinklyfig@spymac.com> In-Reply-To: <200409302243.03708.krinklyfig@spymac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1337835.HrvMnDYE5F"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410011646.50198.bulliver@badcomputer.no-ip.com> Subject: Re: Burn an audio CD from mp3 files X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: bulliver@badcomputer.no-ip.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 23:46:51 -0000 --nextPart1337835.HrvMnDYE5F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline quoth the Joshua Tinnin: > This is pretty thorough. Thanks for posting it. Along the same lines, do > you know of anything in the ports that does mixing by track, splicing, > etc.? (Such as CoolEdit for win, or any simple recording and > post-production mixdown software, but it has to be able to handle > multiple tracks.) I have searched through the ports tree, but I'm > wondering if anyone has recommendations. audacity is available in ports. I think it is what you are looking for. =2Dd=20 =2D-=20 Part of the problem since 1976 http://badcomputer.no-ip.com Get my public key from=20 http://keyserver.linux.it/pks/lookup?op=3Dindex&search=3Dbulliver "...the number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected..." =2D Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, June 1972=20 --nextPart1337835.HrvMnDYE5F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBXexqOrzWcOwL7mwRAji6AJ9t2PlD9g8yovRUN5t4hlpAodRb/gCdH5IS qNvhOw/7mxlhIP6PSr6BtFw= =BOR8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1337835.HrvMnDYE5F-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 2 03:09:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFFB616A4CE; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 03:09:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F9543D2D; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 03:09:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdfsse@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.0.28] (ool-43532b7b.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.43.123]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I4X002CDSR666@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 23:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 23:09:15 -0400 From: bsdfsse In-reply-to: <415D8687.7040905@optonline.net> Message-id: <415E1BDB.4020203@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <415B40E0.5030708@optonline.net> <16732.17233.408255.749193@satchel.alerce.com> <415D81C4.1090200@optonline.net> <415D8687.7040905@optonline.net> cc: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Are there step-by-step VMWare instructions? (giving up) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 03:09:08 -0000 I give up on trying to get VMWare 3.2 to work on either FreeBSD 4.x or 5.x. Thank you to everyone who tried to help me. After 5 full days of trial and error on 3 machines, I think I can say it needs to be looked at by a non-newby. The only time I got it to run was with a 5.2-Release installation with networking disabled (following Christian's docs). Every other configuration resulted in losing access to the hard-drive as soon as I hit the VM's "Power On" button. I might try again if there is a known working solution, but for now I have to do a 6-week project on native Winblows. I learned a ton, and wouldn't use any other OS on a server. I hope to run it on my desktop soon. thx. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 2 04:10:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423D716A4CE for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 04:10:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE6E643D3F for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 04:10:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from robg.list@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 79so3701265rnk for ; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 21:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.77.44 with SMTP id z44mr5191773rna; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 21:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.83.59 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 21:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5c389d3b041001211056012a3f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 00:10:40 -0400 From: robg To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: "$Id: index.html,v 1.46 2004/08/19 23:15:05 grog Exp $" ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: robg List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:10:41 -0000 Hi: I see this at the end of a lot of documents: $Id: index.html,v 1.46 2004/08/19 23:15:05 grog Exp $ or something similar. How is that done? Is it done from a text editor that just appends it by itself? How would I go about doign it? Thanks. -- robg robg.list@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 2 07:04:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB2B16A4CE for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 07:04:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92.asp.att.net [63.240.76.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A29A943D1F for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 07:04:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from nbritton.org (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92) with SMTP id <20041002070442i92007265oe>; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 07:04:43 +0000 Message-ID: <415E5305.9050804@nbritton.org> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 02:04:37 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: robg References: <5c389d3b041001211056012a3f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5c389d3b041001211056012a3f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "$Id: index.html,v 1.46 2004/08/19 23:15:05 grog Exp $" ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 07:04:44 -0000 robg wrote: >Hi: > >I see this at the end of a lot of documents: > >$Id: index.html,v 1.46 2004/08/19 23:15:05 grog Exp $ > >or something similar. How is that done? Is it done from a text >editor that just appends it by itself? How would I go about doign it? > >Thanks. > > > It's the check-in tag that is automaticly appended to a document when it is checked into a version management system. Check out subversion (SVN) if you want to get into version management, also FreeBSD has it's own built-in version management system called RCS. http://subversion.tigris.org/ http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2000/10/19/Big_Scary_Daemons.html http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dbutler/tutorials/winter96/rcs/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 2 07:40:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A87BC16A4CE; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 07:40:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC4B343D31; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 07:40:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06D5E85649; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 15:08:37 +0930 (CST) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 15:08:36 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: robg Message-ID: <20041002053836.GN460@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <5c389d3b041001211056012a3f@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OQhbRXNHSL5w/5po" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5c389d3b041001211056012a3f@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 12:40:39 +0000 cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: "$Id: index.html,v 1.46 2004/08/19 23:15:05 grog Exp $" ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 07:40:05 -0000 --OQhbRXNHSL5w/5po Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline [redirected to FreeBSD-questions; this is a technical issue] On Saturday, 2 October 2004 at 0:10:40 -0400, robg wrote: > Hi: > > I see this at the end of a lot of documents: > > $Id: index.html,v 1.46 2004/08/19 23:15:05 grog Exp $ > > or something similar. How is that done? Is it done from a text > editor that just appends it by itself? This comes from RCS or CVS. I'll talk about RCS below, because it's easier. > How would I go about doign it? Start with a file with just $Id$ in it. This file is obviously called index.html (in fact, to judge by the date and revision ID, it's the current version of my home page, http://www.lemis.com/grog/index.html). Then check it in with the ci command: $ ci -u index.html index.html,v <-- index.html enter description, terminated with single '.' or end of file: NOTE: This is NOT the log message! >> Home page >> ^D initial revision: 1.1 done If you now look at the file, the $Id$ will have changed to (in this case) $Id: index.html,v 1.1 2004/10/02 05:29:27 grog Exp $. When you then want to update the file, you first need to check it out (the version you have is write-protected). Do this with: $ co -l index.html Make your changes; when you're done, check in again with ci: $ ci -u index.html index.html,v <-- index.html new revision: 1.2; previous revision: 1.1 enter log message, terminated with single '.' or end of file: >> Added text >> ^D done The text after >> gets put into the revision log. You can look at it with rlog: $ rlog index.html RCS file: index.html,v Working file: index.html head: 1.2 branch: locks: strict access list: symbolic names: keyword substitution: kv total revisions: 2; selected revisions: 2 description: Home page ---------------------------- revision 1.2 date: 2004/10/02 05:33:39; author: grog; state: Exp; lines: +2 -1 Added text ---------------------------- revision 1.1 date: 2004/10/02 05:29:27; author: grog; state: Exp; Initial revision ---------------------------- ============================================================================= You can also check out older versions and compare things; somewhere there must be a tutorial. One thing you should note is that for any file index.html, the "control file" (that contains all the revisions and the logs and things) is called index.html,v. By default it gets put in the same directory as the file you're tracking, but if you have a subdirectory RCS (which I recommend), it'll get put there instead. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --OQhbRXNHSL5w/5po Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBXj7cIubykFB6QiMRAoMQAJ4v4PQ5nV62OTrP6+sjvvxw5lUkkgCfVE/O 7uKJFzLEDFVnwvrRR+B2lp4= =BkBq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OQhbRXNHSL5w/5po-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 2 22:15:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8784816A4CE; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 22:15:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5EB43D45; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 22:15:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB4E48562A; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 07:45:23 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 07:45:23 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Nikolas Britton Message-ID: <20041002221523.GQ460@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <5c389d3b041001211056012a3f@mail.gmail.com> <415E5305.9050804@nbritton.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MM5RgFPKyuP3gDcV" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <415E5305.9050804@nbritton.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: FreeBSD Questions cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: robg Subject: Re: "$Id: index.html,v 1.46 2004/08/19 23:15:05 grog Exp $" ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 22:15:27 -0000 --MM5RgFPKyuP3gDcV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday, 2 October 2004 at 2:04:37 -0500, Nikolas Britton wrote: Please don't answer these questions on -newbies. -questions is the correct mailing list. I answered there and blind copied this list, but it seems that blind copying is no longer allowed, so I suppose nobody saw it. > robg wrote: > >> Hi: >> >> I see this at the end of a lot of documents: >> >> $Id: index.html,v 1.46 2004/08/19 23:15:05 grog Exp $ >> >> or something similar. How is that done? Is it done from a text >> editor that just appends it by itself? How would I go about doign it? > > It's the check-in tag that is automaticly appended to a document when it > is checked into a version management system. > > Check out subversion (SVN) if you want to get into version > management, Check out Subversion if you want to get into a really complicated way of version control. It requires significant setup, and it's based on a number of other packages. > also FreeBSD has it's own built-in version management system called > RCS. RCS isn't FreeBSD specific. It's universal, and it also doesn't need any setup (beyond optionally creating a directory RCS). Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --MM5RgFPKyuP3gDcV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBXyh7IubykFB6QiMRArzQAKCv8wFraZP8FUXbQhRO/NjGv9pbhwCfVVMX ilgU3nF5Zqe8GZjSqIpq22Y= =SLNz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MM5RgFPKyuP3gDcV--