From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 07:05:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A918E16A4D0; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 07:05:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C8D43D31; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 07:05:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 611BA5889; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01372-02; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BFB555864; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20041003071002.BFB555864@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:10:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2004-09-12 - 2004-10-02 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 07:05:25 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 20:43:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB5D16A4CE for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 20:43:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay15-f42.bay15.hotmail.com [65.54.185.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809E843D3F for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 20:43:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danielmaruani@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 13:43:08 -0700 Received: from 82.166.244.219 by by15fd.bay15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 20:42:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [82.166.244.219] X-Originating-Email: [danielmaruani@hotmail.com] X-Sender: danielmaruani@hotmail.com From: "Daniel M" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 20:42:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2004 20:43:08.0155 (UTC) FILETIME=[C15FFCB0:01C4AA52] Subject: network question X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 20:43:10 -0000 How do i configure DHCP? and Telnet/SSH server? _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 21:08:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A2A16A4CE for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 21:08:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92.asp.att.net [204.127.203.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E530D43D1F for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 21:08:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from radioguy@uni.edu) Received: from rei.dave.cedar-falls.ia.us (12-219-24-19.client.mchsi.com[12.219.24.19]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with SMTP id <20041004210806m9200at9h4e>; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 21:08:06 +0000 Received: by rei.dave.cedar-falls.ia.us (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 4 Oct 2004 16:09:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 16:09:39 -0500 From: Dave Vollenweider To: Daniel M Message-ID: <20041004210939.GA461@rei.dave.cedar-falls.ia.us> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: network question X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 21:08:07 -0000 On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 08:42:45PM +0000, Daniel M wrote: > How do i configure DHCP? > > and Telnet/SSH server? > First, not to brush you off, but all technical questions go to freebsd-questions. You don't have to subscribe to send a message to them and you can view the reply from the mailing list archive on the FreeBSD web site. That said, are you trying to configure DHCP as a client or as a server? I can guarantee you that's the first question people will ask if you do bring this over to freebsd-questions. As for telent/SSH, I don't recommend telnet at all; it's notorious for being insecure since everything's done in the clear and someone who's sniffing your connection can get your username and password easily. Plus SSH has more features, including port forwarding and scp and sftp; you can use it as a secure FTP server when you use sftp into your box running sshd. A simple sshd_enable="YES" in your rc.conf file will turn the SSH server on when rc.conf is read again, either from rebooting or returning from single-user mode. You can read the sshd man page and look through the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file to find out more in addition to posting your question in freebsd-questions. This page in the FreeBSD Handbook will also give you some tips: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/openssh.html Hope this helps. - Dave V. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 21:14:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270A016A4CE for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 21:14:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from natnoddy.rzone.de (natnoddy.rzone.de [81.169.145.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F18B43D48 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 21:14:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from buebo@buebo.de) Received: from gwen (reverse-82-141-52-246.dialin.kamp-dsl.de [82.141.52.246]) by post.webmailer.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i94LElr3027852 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:14:48 +0200 (MEST) From: "Felix 'buebo' Kakrow" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:13:23 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart13294185.hax8Ke2IzI"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410042313.29422.buebo@buebo.de> Subject: Re: network question X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: buebo@buebo.de List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 21:14:53 -0000 --nextPart13294185.hax8Ke2IzI Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi, > How do i configure DHCP? AFAIK is no DHCP-Server included in the base system, but there are some por= ts=20 which deal with that. I like dnsmasq (wich can do dhcp apart from dns), because it's painless to= =20 install and configure. > and Telnet/SSH server? You run telnet and sshd from inetd. Check out man inetd and man sshd/telnet= d. Apart from that questions@freebsd.org is a great list if you got problems w= ith=20 the configuration. Cheers =46elix --nextPart13294185.hax8Ke2IzI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Encrypt Your Mail With GnuPG! iD8DBQBBYbz5m/WcJH0q1eYRAgnGAJ4kaGnSD+ZzR6LRbscHIBHWEzpZ4gCgmcOU eljZhdub/LUc2NEgrbQ+uAA= =cJAP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart13294185.hax8Ke2IzI-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 5 15:23:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5298C16A4CE for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:23:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B34543D2F for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:23:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from geekout@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 74so311039rnk for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 08:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.67.26 with SMTP id p26mr359464rna; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 08:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.72.71 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 08:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6e01203b04100508235492090f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 09:23:19 -0600 From: Tyler Gee To: buebo@buebo.de In-Reply-To: <200410042313.29422.buebo@buebo.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410042313.29422.buebo@buebo.de> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: network question X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tyler Gee List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 15:23:21 -0000 But really, really think twice before running telnet. Most likely you do not need to which means you want to run ssh as a stand alone server. So in your /etc/rc.conf you want: sshd_enable="YES" inetd_enable="NO" Check out the handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-servers.html Also, the sshd config file (I cannot remember where it is right now and I am not at my box but it should say if you 'man sshd') -wtgee On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:13:23 +0200, Felix 'buebo' Kakrow wrote: > Hi, > > How do i configure DHCP? > AFAIK is no DHCP-Server included in the base system, but there are some ports > which deal with that. > I like dnsmasq (wich can do dhcp apart from dns), because it's painless to > install and configure. > > > and Telnet/SSH server? > You run telnet and sshd from inetd. Check out man inetd and man sshd/telnetd. > Apart from that questions@freebsd.org is a great list if you got problems with > the configuration. > > Cheers > Felix > > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 09:31:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BEDF16A4CE for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:31:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [213.192.74.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13BB643D1F for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:31:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.3miasto.net) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (wojtek@localhost [IPv6:::1]) i969UmfE028660; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:30:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost)i969UkmN018608; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:30:47 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:30:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Tyler Gee In-Reply-To: <6e01203b04100508235492090f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <200410042313.29422.buebo@buebo.de> <6e01203b04100508235492090f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed cc: buebo@buebo.de cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: network question X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:31:10 -0000 > > But really, really think twice before running telnet. Most likely you why? anyway i prefer rsh/rlogin/rexec From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 12:39:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEEA416A4CE for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:39:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91.asp.att.net [204.127.203.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6100443D41 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:39:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from metaridley@mchsi.com) Received: from kaworu.dave.cedar-falls.ia.us (12-219-24-19.client.mchsi.com[12.219.24.19]) by sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91) with SMTP id <20041006123935m9100cdssme>; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:39:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 07:38:29 -0500 From: Dave Vollenweider To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20041006073829.1b5d7b98.metaridley@mchsi.com> In-Reply-To: References: <200410042313.29422.buebo@buebo.de> <6e01203b04100508235492090f@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.12-gtk2-20040622 (GTK+ 2.4.9; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: network question X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:39:38 -0000 On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:30:45 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > But really, really think twice before running telnet. Most likely you > > why? > > anyway i prefer rsh/rlogin/rexec > All the programs you've mentioned have a major flaw: they send everything out unencrypted, which means that if someone's sniffing your network connection, which is a lot like someone tapping your phone, they can know everything you're doing. They can even get your passwords this way, including the all-important root password. This is why such programs are considered to be dangerous to run. ssh, on the other hand, encrypts all communication, so anyone sniffing your network would need the public and private keys to decrypt the connection and see what's going on. ssh can do everything that telnet, rsh, rlogin, and rexec can do, plus a whole lot more. Ever wanted to log in remotely to your computer, run an X program off it and have it display on the computer you're currently at? You can do that with ssh without touching X itself at all. Ever wanted to access one of your computers behind your firewall without compromising the firewall's security? With ssh's TCP port forwarding, you can do that too, again with no special setup of anything else. Oh, and if you're on a slow connection, you can compress the ssh session with the -C switch. Hopefully these reasons are compelling enough for you. - Dave V. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 19:26:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E0416A4CE; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:26:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from post.com2com.ru (Post.com2com.ru [195.98.162.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894CF43D53; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:26:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from apeter.subscribe@mail.ru) Received: from localhost (home-pool-173-2.com2com.ru [195.98.173.2]) by post.com2com.ru (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i96JQdiq014771; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:26:41 +0400 (MSD) Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:26:39 +0400 (MSD) Resent-Message-Id: <200410061926.i96JQdiq014771@post.com2com.ru> X-AntiVirus: Checked by Dr.Web [version: 4.32a, engine: 4.32a, virus records: 56474, updated: 6.10.2004] Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:26:31 +0400 From: "Peter E. Antonov" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.11) Business X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <14910074427.20041006232631@mail.ru> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Resent-From: "Peter E. Antonov" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Using ZyXEL ADSL USB modem on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Peter E. Antonov" List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:26:45 -0000 Hello, All. Whether probably to adjust ZyXEL ADSL USB modem on FreeBSD? Any information on adjustment of ADSL USB modems interests. Do not offer reading handbook! -- WBR, Peter mailto:apeter.subscribe@mail.ru _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 21:38:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B6116A4CE for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:38:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from roy.nexus-is.qc.ca (roy.nexus-is.qc.ca [205.205.189.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A098843D3F for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:38:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pierre@greenkangaroo.org) Received: from nexus-is.qc.ca (edgnmr@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by roy.nexus-is.qc.ca (8.12.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id i96LcWKZ088474 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:38:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from pierre@greenkangaroo.org) From: "Pierre LeBlanc" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:38:32 -0300 Message-Id: <20041006173832.M93611@greenkangaroo.org> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.64 20020521 X-OriginatingIP: 205.205.189.81 (pierre@nexus-is.qc.ca) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamScore: sss Subject: Question about ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 21:38:36 -0000 Hello, I'm new to the port collection and updating ports with CVSup but I managed to update the ports of my FreeBSD 4.10 system using CVSup. Now, I want to upgrade Perl to version 5.6 and I notice there is a perl5 port in the list I`ve seen on: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-4.10-release/ But this port is not on my system and to understand how to get perl5 in my port collection, I searched on the Internet for several hours without success. Can you refer me a specific page or a chapter in the FreeBSD manual that describe how to do it? Thank you, Pierre LeBlanc From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 6 22:13:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FCE16A4CE for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:13:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5E943D41 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:13:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mimerki@myrealbox.com) Received: from 192.168.0.3 mimerki [24.113.45.167]$ on Novell NetWare via secured & encrypted transport (TLS); Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:13:26 -0600 From: Marcia Barrett Nice To: "Pierre LeBlanc" , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:30:44 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: <20041006173832.M93611@greenkangaroo.org> In-Reply-To: <20041006173832.M93611@greenkangaroo.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200410061530.44820.mimerki@myrealbox.com> Subject: Re: Question about ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:13:23 -0000 On Wednesday 06 October 2004 01:38 pm, Pierre LeBlanc wrote: > Hello, > > I'm new to the port collection and updating ports with CVSup but I managed > to update the ports of my FreeBSD 4.10 system using CVSup. > > Now, I want to upgrade Perl to version 5.6 and I notice there is a perl5 > port in the list I`ve seen on: > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-4.10-release/ > > But this port is not on my system and to understand how to get perl5 in my > port collection, I searched on the Internet for several hours without > success. > > Can you refer me a specific page or a chapter in the FreeBSD manual that > describe how to do it? > > Thank you, > > Pierre LeBlanc > I think you want to use cvs or cvsup to update your ports collection. The handbook page for cvsup is: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html After that, you may have to deinstall your current version of perl to get a newer one to install, but there I am not certain. As usual, -newbies isn't really the place to ask this. -questions is more appropriate and more likely to get you a valid answer. Marci From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 00:16:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0B216A4CE; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:16:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5922F43D4C; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:16:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from nbritton.org (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with SMTP id <20041007001619i91008ici3e>; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:16:34 +0000 Message-ID: <41648ACE.50203@nbritton.org> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:16:14 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pierre LeBlanc References: <20041006173832.M93611@greenkangaroo.org> In-Reply-To: <20041006173832.M93611@greenkangaroo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question about ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:16:35 -0000 Pierre LeBlanc wrote: >Hello, > >I'm new to the port collection and updating ports with CVSup but I managed to >update the ports of my FreeBSD 4.10 system using CVSup. > >Now, I want to upgrade Perl to version 5.6 and I notice there is a perl5 port >in the list I`ve seen on: > >ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-4.10-release/ > >But this port is not on my system and to understand how to get perl5 in my >port collection, I searched on the Internet for several hours without success. > >Can you refer me a specific page or a chapter in the FreeBSD manual that >describe how to do it? > Well see... the thing is is that perl is part of the base system in 4.x (and quasi-base in 5.x), FreeBSD is dependent on it. I like to know this question too, what are the pros/cons and procedure for updating perl to ether 5.6.x or 5.8.x From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 06:44:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8941F16A4CE; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 06:44:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay2-dav7.bay2.hotmail.com [65.54.246.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7369443D1F; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 06:44:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from whitevamp47@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:44:02 -0700 Received: from 65.102.125.195 by BAY2-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:43:52 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.102.125.195] X-Originating-Email: [whitevamp47@hotmail.com] X-Sender: whitevamp47@hotmail.com From: "whitevamp" To: "Nikolas Britton" , "Pierre LeBlanc" References: <20041006173832.M93611@greenkangaroo.org> <41648ACE.50203@nbritton.org> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:43:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2004 06:44:02.0221 (UTC) FILETIME=[08195DD0:01C4AC39] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question about ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:44:02 -0000 when u upgrade perl to a newer ver useing the ports tree its quit simple . at the end of it installing it tell you that if u whant to use that version u need to use this command onley once though use.perl port and then u also need to read README in the bas dir of the ports tree IE: /usr/ports/UPDATING in there it talks about getting all the perl progs switched over to the newer ver of perl and thats it.. or at least that worked 4 me PS: you might whant to look at /usr/ports/UPDATING before you go and install perl ..thats a good file to read after u cvsup your tree ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikolas Britton" To: "Pierre LeBlanc" Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 5:16 PM Subject: Re: Question about ports > Pierre LeBlanc wrote: > > >Hello, > > > >I'm new to the port collection and updating ports with CVSup but I managed to > >update the ports of my FreeBSD 4.10 system using CVSup. > > > >Now, I want to upgrade Perl to version 5.6 and I notice there is a perl5 port > >in the list I`ve seen on: > > > >ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-4.10-release/ > > > >But this port is not on my system and to understand how to get perl5 in my > >port collection, I searched on the Internet for several hours without success. > > > >Can you refer me a specific page or a chapter in the FreeBSD manual that > >describe how to do it? > > > Well see... the thing is is that perl is part of the base system in 4.x > (and quasi-base in 5.x), FreeBSD is dependent on it. I like to know this > question too, what are the pros/cons and procedure for updating perl to > ether 5.6.x or 5.8.x > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 21:34:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399C316A4CE for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:34:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from avs-1.com (ns1.avs-1.com [216.55.187.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9EF43D1D for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:34:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ltillner@avs-1.com) Received: from M2 (adsl-66-124-41-122.dsl.sktn01.pacbell.net [66.124.41.122]) by avs-1.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id i97LaN1q064858 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:36:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ltillner@avs-1.com) Message-ID: <004901c4acb5$8d65bed0$0601a8c0@M2> From: "Lynette Tillner" To: Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:35:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 12:12:10 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: How to find directory? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 21:34:52 -0000 I just installed Apache::ASP using cpan and am looking for the examples = directory it's supposedly in: =20 ./site/eg/=20 How do I find this on my system??????????????? Thanks! From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 8 13:26:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D836A16A4CE for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:26:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92.asp.att.net [204.127.203.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF7E43D39 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:26:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from metaridley@mchsi.com) Received: from kaworu.dave.cedar-falls.ia.us (12-219-24-19.client.mchsi.com[12.219.24.19]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with SMTP id <20041008132638m9200as1vne>; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:26:38 +0000 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:25:57 -0500 From: Dave Vollenweider To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20041008082557.262802f1.metaridley@mchsi.com> In-Reply-To: <004901c4acb5$8d65bed0$0601a8c0@M2> References: <004901c4acb5$8d65bed0$0601a8c0@M2> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.12-gtk2-20040622 (GTK+ 2.4.9; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: How to find directory? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 13:26:40 -0000 Questions like this are supposed to go to freebsd-questions, but I'll give you one freebie. There are two commands you can use: find and locate. The difference is that locate works with a database of all the files on the system, while find searches the hard drive directly. The locate database is only updated once a week on default installations, so you'll probably have better luck with find. Here's the syntax I use that I've found to work: find [directory to start in and go down from] -[i]name [name of file or directory] Add the i to iname (-iname) if you want the search to be case-insensitive. locate is even easier: locate [name of fie or directory] Hope this helps. - Dave V. On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:35:17 -0700 "Lynette Tillner" wrote: > I just installed Apache::ASP using cpan and am looking for the examples directory > > it's supposedly in: > > ./site/eg/ > > > How do I find this on my system??????????????? > > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 8 13:28:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6664216A4CE for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:28:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (outmx006.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.2.99]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30F043D39 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:28:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from geert@lori.mine.nu) Received: from outmx006.isp.belgacom.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) with ESMTP id i98DSNH8032214 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:28:24 +0200 (envelope-from ) Received: from lori.mine.nu (129-147.244.81.adsl.skynet.be [81.244.147.129]) with ESMTP id i98DSEIX032129; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:28:14 +0200 (envelope-from ) Received: by lori.mine.nu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 96B6094C; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:28:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:28:12 +0200 From: Geert Hendrickx To: Lynette Tillner Message-ID: <20041008132812.GA72227@lori.mine.nu> References: <004901c4acb5$8d65bed0$0601a8c0@M2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <004901c4acb5$8d65bed0$0601a8c0@M2> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-GPG-Key: http://lori.mine.nu/gnupgkey.asc X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/766C1E92 X-Accept-Language: nl,en cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to find directory? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 13:28:32 -0000 On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 02:35:17PM -0700, Lynette Tillner wrote: > I just installed Apache::ASP using cpan and am looking for the examples directory > > it's supposedly in: > > ./site/eg/ > > > How do I find this on my system??????????????? > > Thanks! If you leave your system powered on 24/7, it will periodically create a database of all (world-traversable) directories/files on your system (via cron). You can then easily search this database using locate(1), e.g.: locate 'site/eg'. You can manually create/update this database with /usr/libexec/locate.updatedb (it may take a while). GH -- :wq From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 8 19:10:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E03AC16A4CE for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 19:10:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEBB543D1D for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 19:10:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i98JAUD6071348 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 19:10:30 GMT (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i98JAUoO071345 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 19:10:30 GMT (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 19:10:30 GMT From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200410081910.i98JAUoO071345@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 19:10:31 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 01:51:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E0B16A4CF for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 01:51:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F1443D48 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 01:51:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from braidsenfro@netscape.net) Received: from braidsenfro@netscape.net by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id n.13b.d62fe35 (16240) for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netscape.net (mow-d17.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.133]) by air-in03.mx.aol.com (v101_r1.4) with ESMTP id MAILININ34-3f7041674413399; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 21:51:15 -0400 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 21:51:15 -0400 From: braidsenfro@netscape.net (Akbar) To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <03B03879.3F8E9EA6.492E7C3F@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 24.188.11.55 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Getting over the FreeBSD Learning Curve X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 01:51:21 -0000 It occured to me that you get better with FreeBSD one desired feature at a time. I wanted to input Japanese text, I had to look around, read, and ask.  It broke when i installed chinput, then i reinstalled it and got a better understanding of enabling japanese input in X. Before that i had to understand something about installing software. I wanted to burn a CD, and ended up making my first Makefile, so now i know how to read them better in the ports. I'm a newbie of better than a year now.  Still excited about FreeBSD, but admittedly, it seems like FreeBSD is not for people who want everything now.  That's what Apples are for. For example, i ran an OpenGL screen saver under KDE and it was horribly slow. I also have a SB Audigy Gamer card that i don't hear anything out of at the moment, but I will, eventually. I'm sure almost all newbies want to be gurus. Here's my postulation on how. Think of something you want to do on your FreeBSD station, then concentrate on doing it. Once that's done, go to the next thing. In other words, don't look at FreeBSD as a whole.  Chances are, you don't care about everything that it is made of, or can do. But over time you'll have a degree of fluency in FreeBSD. __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 02:12:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F76016A4CE for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 02:12:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA96B43D48 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 02:12:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from braidsenfro@netscape.net) Received: from braidsenfro@netscape.net by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id n.b.e9537a9 (22681) for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 22:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netscape.net (mow-d15.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.131]) by air-in04.mx.aol.com (v101_r1.4) with ESMTP id MAILININ42-5899416748f0376; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 22:12:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 22:12:00 -0400 From: braidsenfro@netscape.net (Akbar) To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <16BE8886.5B17EEF8.492E7C3F@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 24.188.11.55 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: FreeBSD as a workstation X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 02:12:07 -0000 Many newcomers like myself wonder if FreeBSD can be a good workstation. I say yes. If you are more into artistic work such as making music, and movies, animation, and the such...I have to say from what i've seen FreeBSD is probably not the way to go, unless you're willing to build the required software. But how long will that take? For casual users not into games that much, office users, and software developers, and perhaps engineers FreeBSD is an ace. Thanks __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 02:57:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EC716A4CE for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 02:57:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C348A43D4C for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 02:57:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdfsse@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.0.24] (ool-43532b7b.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.43.123]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I5A00L7XQUT6X@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 22:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 22:56:50 -0400 From: bsdfsse To: FreeBSD Newbies Message-id: <41675372.6060803@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) Subject: Is there an easy way to set up a local deskjet pinter? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 02:57:49 -0000 I would like to use my local HP Deskjet 930c printer to print from XFCE4 and maybe KDE (KDE isn't installed yet). The version of FreeBSD I am using is a newly installed FreeBSD 5.3-Beta7. I have been working on configuring it, using various webpages on the net, but I thought I would ask - is there not some simple process to do this? Here are some of the docs I am following: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/printing-intro-setup.html http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2004/07/08/FreeBSD_Basics.html?page=1 I'm not really stuck yet, though it is sort of confusing when different docs do things differently. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't taking the hard path, while everyone else knew of some simpler path. Later I plan to use FVWM as my Window Manager, so I am hesitant to use some purely XFCE4, KDE, or GNOME solution. thanks! From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 03:15:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6CE716A4CE for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 03:15:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92.asp.att.net [204.127.203.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53FB743D45 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 03:15:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from metaridley@mchsi.com) Received: from kaworu.dave.cedar-falls.ia.us (12-219-24-19.client.mchsi.com[12.219.24.19]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with SMTP id <20041009031534m9200ascs3e>; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 03:15:36 +0000 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 22:14:49 -0500 From: Dave Vollenweider To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20041008221449.6c4e6ac9.metaridley@mchsi.com> In-Reply-To: <03B03879.3F8E9EA6.492E7C3F@netscape.net> References: <03B03879.3F8E9EA6.492E7C3F@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.12-gtk2-20040622 (GTK+ 2.4.9; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Getting over the FreeBSD Learning Curve X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 03:15:39 -0000 On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 21:51:15 -0400 braidsenfro@netscape.net (Akbar) wrote: > It occured to me that you get better with FreeBSD one desired feature at = a time. I wanted to input Japanese text, I had to look around, read, and as= k. =A0It broke when i installed chinput, then i reinstalled it and got a be= tter understanding of enabling japanese input in X. Before that i had to un= derstand something about installing software. I wanted to burn a CD, and en= ded up making my first Makefile, so now i know how to read them better in t= he ports. I've been using FreeBSD for about six months now, and I can say that it is = all about learning how to do things on your own. That's true of most if no= t all Unix-like OSs, Apple's Mac OS X notwithstanding. > I'm a newbie of better than a year now. =A0Still excited about FreeBSD, b= ut admittedly, it seems like FreeBSD is not for people who want everything = now. =A0That's what Apples are for. For example, i ran an OpenGL screen sav= er under KDE and it was horribly slow. I also have a SB Audigy Gamer card t= hat i don't hear anything out of at the moment, but I will, eventually. Again, that's the learning curve coming in, and it's true of most Unix-like= OSs. I've used Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, and a tiny bit of Solaris. All re= quire the user to search around and find how they can do what they want to = do. For most people it doesn't seem worth it, and that's one of the reason= s why MS Windows is so popular. But, these people don't want to learn, eit= her. FreeBSD and the other Unix-like OSs are perfect for those of us who w= ant to learn how these systems work. Other OSs try to hide the inner worki= ngs as much as possible. That's the difference. But, that difference mean= s that the FreeBSD user, with sufficient knowledge and experience, can gain= total control over his or her own system, something that users of OSs that= try to hide the inner workings will never achieve. As for your screensaver, the first mistake was running KDE; that's the slow= est desktop environment you can use, and it sucks a lot of RAM, which most = likely slowed down your screensaver. On the sound card, it's possible that= someone will make a driver for it, or you can even do it yourself if you'r= e up to it. That's the beauty of freely-available open source software: an= yone can contribute to it. Some parts are more glamourous than others, of = course, but that doesn't mean they're less necessary. In fact, the less gl= amourous parts are ususally the most necessary. > I'm sure almost all newbies want to be gurus. Here's my postulation on ho= w. Think of something you want to do on your FreeBSD station, then concentr= ate on doing it. Once that's done, go to the next thing. In other words, do= n't look at FreeBSD as a whole. =A0Chances are, you don't care about everyt= hing that it is made of, or can do. But over time you'll have a degree of f= luency in FreeBSD. I agree with this advice. I'll pass along some more that I've been given: = learn what's behind the programs you use, which includes the programming la= nguages, if you really want to know the system. This also gives you the po= wer to make big changes as you see fit, changes which you may even want to = submit for inclusion into FreeBSD itself. I know this is advanced, but thi= s is one of the reasons why I've begun learning Perl. Other languages incl= ude C (the big one for Unix), C++, Ruby (which portupgrade uses), Python, L= ISP...the list goes on and on. In using FreeBSD we are using something whe= re we have the ability to look at how it works. I say let's take advantage= of it. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 03:23:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F185F16A4CE for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 03:23:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7CB043D39 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 03:23:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Fri, 8 Oct 2004 22:19:33 -0500 Message-ID: <41675999.3070607@daleco.biz> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 22:23:05 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040712 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bsdfsse References: <41675372.6060803@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <41675372.6060803@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2004 03:19:33.0516 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC350CC0:01C4ADAE] cc: FreeBSD Newbies Subject: Re: Is there an easy way to set up a local deskjet pinter? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 03:23:09 -0000 bsdfsse wrote: > > I would like to use my local HP Deskjet 930c printer to print from > XFCE4 and maybe KDE (KDE isn't installed yet). The version of FreeBSD > I am using is a newly installed FreeBSD 5.3-Beta7. > > I have been working on configuring it, using various webpages on the > net, but I thought I would ask - is there not some simple process to > do this? > > Here are some of the docs I am following: > As an alternative to the CUPS method described in the Handbook, I decided to install apsfilter from ports. 'Twas *almost* a peace of cake; once I figured out a permissions issue, Andreas got another post card. I like it a *lot*. Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 03:51:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5FD16A4CE for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 03:51:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.usalug.org (mail.usalug.org [67.15.6.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7BB7643D49 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 03:51:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from root@usalug.org) Received: (qmail 4050 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2004 03:40:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 22:40:31 -0500 From: "Jerry M. Howell II" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20041009034031.GA3952@usalug.org> References: <200410042313.29422.buebo@buebo.de> <6e01203b04100508235492090f@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: network question X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 03:51:39 -0000 On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 11:30:45AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >But really, really think twice before running telnet. Most likely you > > why? > > anyway i prefer rsh/rlogin/rexec I personaly side with the masses and prefer ssh scp and sftp over telnet even my remote backups are done with rsync and ssh. Mabe a little on the parinoid side but beter safe than sory when you are dealing with over 60 other ppls sites. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 05:04:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1EB16A4CE for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 05:04:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from viper4.dataraq.net (viper4.dataraq.net [209.218.168.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5237D43D2F for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 05:04:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aj@siegel-tech.net) Received: (qmail 38787 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2004 05:04:30 -0000 Received: from pcp09609084pcs.brodwy01.nm.comcast.net (69.241.168.76) by viper4.dataraq.net with SMTP; 9 Oct 2004 05:04:30 -0000 From: Aaron Siegel To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:04:14 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <41675372.6060803@optonline.net> <41675999.3070607@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: <41675999.3070607@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200410082304.15175.aj@siegel-tech.net> Subject: Re: Is there an easy way to set up a local deskjet pinter? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 05:04:17 -0000 Open for Business has posted a article on setting up apsfilters, http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=321 On Friday 08 October 2004 21:23, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > bsdfsse wrote: > > I would like to use my local HP Deskjet 930c printer to print from > > XFCE4 and maybe KDE (KDE isn't installed yet). The version of FreeBSD > > I am using is a newly installed FreeBSD 5.3-Beta7. > > > > I have been working on configuring it, using various webpages on the > > net, but I thought I would ask - is there not some simple process to > > do this? > > > > Here are some of the docs I am following: > > As an alternative to the CUPS method described in the Handbook, > I decided to install apsfilter from ports. 'Twas *almost* a peace of > cake; once I figured out a permissions issue, Andreas got another > post card. I like it a *lot*. > > Kevin Kinsey > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 23:25:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D4C16A4CE for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 23:25:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uswgco35.uswest.com (uswgco35.uswest.com [199.168.32.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ECC443D4C for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 23:25:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Chad.Mines@qwest.com) Received: from egate-co5.uswc.uswest.com (egate-co5.uswc.uswest.com [151.119.87.232]) by uswgco35.uswest.com (8/8) with ESMTP id i99NPVNR027645 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 17:25:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from itomae2ksm02.AD.QINTRA.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i99NPUCV004917 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 17:25:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from itomae2km07.AD.QINTRA.COM ([10.6.9.156]) by itomae2ksm02.AD.QINTRA.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:25:29 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:25:31 -0500 Message-ID: <19AA9C09AC59D149AB550297A8D3F97C1ADCD5@itomae2km07.AD.QINTRA.COM> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Index: AcSuV0REJwgdzsbHSIuri8Qt0Bg2IA== From: "Mines, Chad" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2004 23:25:30.0085 (UTC) FILETIME=[44154950:01C4AE57] Subject: X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:25:32 -0000 Chad Mines Senior Network Operations Technician Qwest Communications Corporation Managed Firewall Sevices 800-672-8520 opt. 2, 2