From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 17 07:03:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A2D16A4CE; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 07:03:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE77843D5D; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 07:03:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F8955898; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 54909-07; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D41485892; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20041017071002.D41485892@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:10:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2004-09-26 - 2004-10-16 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 07:03:02 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 17 22:59:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A674E16A4CE for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:59:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7256743D2D for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:59:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdfsse@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.0.24] (ool-43532b7b.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.43.123]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I5R0046P2JX2V@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:30:56 -0400 From: bsdfsse In-reply-to: <6ddb7bf804101523466a179f19@mail.gmail.com> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <4172F2A0.2090909@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <416FD005.5060809@spymac.com> <6ddb7bf804101523466a179f19@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Simultaneous 'make install' s? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:59:12 -0000 Is it safe to run 'make install' on several packages in /usr/port/ at the same time? For example, if I want to build /usr/port/mail/thunderbird and /usr/port/java/jdk14 at the same time, will they collide? Or is it better to just install software one-by-one? thx! From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 18 00:12:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C4916A4CE for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:12:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A06243D2F for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:12:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xtalsinger@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from localhost ([82.39.74.76]) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 18 Oct 2004 01:12:48 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by [127.0.0.1] with ESMTP (SpamPal v1.57) sender ; 18 Oct 2004 01:12:24 +0100 From: Dave To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 01:12:24 +0100 Message-ID: References: <416FD005.5060809@spymac.com> <6ddb7bf804101523466a179f19@mail.gmail.com> <4172F2A0.2090909@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <4172F2A0.2090909@optonline.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2004 00:12:49.0145 (UTC) FILETIME=[33997690:01C4B4A7] Subject: Re: Simultaneous 'make install' s? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: xtalsinger@blueyonder.co.uk List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:12:27 -0000 On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:30:56 -0400, you wrote: >Is it safe to run 'make install' on several packages in /usr/port/ at >the same time? > >For example, if I want to build /usr/port/mail/thunderbird and >/usr/port/java/jdk14 at the same time, will they collide? > >Or is it better to just install software one-by-one? It depends (pun INtended ) I'd say do them one at a time. If you install two ports which have one or more dependancies in common, both might try to install it. This might cause problems. Then again, it might not. I've not been brave enough to try it. Dave -- Any speling misteaks are the reult of a bad insallation of mod_spelink. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 18 00:16:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB5216A4CE for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:16:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.usalug.org (mail.usalug.org [67.15.6.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872AB43D4C for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:16:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from root@usalug.org) Received: (qmail 3363 invoked by uid 0); 17 Oct 2004 19:05:02 -0500 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:05:02 -0500 From: "Jerry M. Howell II" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20041018000502.GD31046@plain.ev1servers.net> References: <416FD005.5060809@spymac.com> <6ddb7bf804101523466a179f19@mail.gmail.com> <4172F2A0.2090909@optonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Simultaneous 'make install' s? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:16:42 -0000 On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 01:12:24AM +0100, Dave wrote: > On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:30:56 -0400, you wrote: > > >Is it safe to run 'make install' on several packages in /usr/port/ at > >the same time? > > > >For example, if I want to build /usr/port/mail/thunderbird and > >/usr/port/java/jdk14 at the same time, will they collide? > > > >Or is it better to just install software one-by-one? > > It depends (pun INtended ) > > I'd say do them one at a time. If you install two ports which have one or > more dependancies in common, both might try to install it. This might > cause problems. Then again, it might not. I've not been brave enough to > try it. > I have and I agree. One at a time is the best bet. I have run into problems when I make install several ports at the same time. No time savings when your stuck trying to uninstall a prtialy installed port From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 18 04:05:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE2B16A4CE for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 04:05:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5D943D39 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 04:05:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdfsse@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.0.24] (ool-43532b7b.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.43.123]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I5R00KOEHYZJV@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:03:57 -0400 From: bsdfsse In-reply-to: To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <417340AD.1040203@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: Subject: C/C++ IDE? (Anjuta or Eclipse-CDT?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 04:05:31 -0000 I was looking for an IDE for C/C++ programming under FreeBSD 4.10. Something like the Borland or Microsoft IDE's. I found Anjuta and Eclipse-CDT in the ports. I guess I prefer Eclipse, since some of my friends are using it for Java. I've never even compiled an app on FreeBSD, lol. I am running Fluxbox-devel, so I am not looking at KDevelop (I assume it requires KDE). Primarily I am interested in writing ANSI C++ applications, though I plan to eventually use wxWidgets, too. I also plan to use VIM and the c++ compiler for little programs. Did I miss any obvious IDE choices? Is there another IDE that is better? thx! From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 18 04:21:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A69D16A4D4 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 04:21:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5456A43D2F for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 04:21:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdfsse@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.0.24] (ool-43532b7b.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.43.123]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I5R00FI7IRC0X@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:20:58 -0400 From: bsdfsse In-reply-to: <417340AD.1040203@optonline.net> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <417344AA.7040909@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <417340AD.1040203@optonline.net> Subject: eclipse.cdt-2.0-linux.gtk.x86.zip: Forbidden X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 04:21:13 -0000 Is installing Eclipse-CDT like when I installed Java, and I have to go manually fetch the files from the vendor's website? I went to eclipse.org, and I did not see the file listed in the error. This is on 4.10-Stable. Any suggestions? thx! az28# cd eclipse-cdt/ az28# make ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found >> org.eclipse.cdt-2.0-linux.gtk.x86.zip doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/eclipse. >> Attempting to fetch from http://download.eclipse.org/tools/cdt/releases/new/zips/. fetch: http://download.eclipse.org/tools/cdt/releases/new/zips/org.eclipse.cdt-2.0-linux.gtk.x86.zip: Forbidden >> Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/eclipse/. fetch: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/eclipse/org.eclipse.cdt-2.0-linux.gtk.x86.zip: File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) >> Couldn't fetch it - please try to retrieve this >> port manually into /usr/ports/distfiles/eclipse and try again. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/java/eclipse-cdt. az28# From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 18 07:54:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B330416A4CF for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:54:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fidel.freesurf.fr (fidel.freesurf.fr [212.43.206.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE72743D41 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:54:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olivier@gautherot.net) Received: from freesurf.fr (arlette.freesurf.fr [212.43.206.12]) by fidel.freesurf.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A0C12A49AF; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:54:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 194.98.178.34 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ogautherot) by arlette.freesurf.fr with HTTP; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:54:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <23194.194.98.178.34.1098086089.squirrel@arlette.freesurf.fr> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:54:49 +0200 (CEST) From: "Olivier Gautherot" To: X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <4172F2A0.2090909@optonline.net> References: <4172F2A0.2090909@optonline.net> Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Simultaneous 'make install' s? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: olivier@gautherot.net List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:54:51 -0000 Hi! > Is it safe to run 'make install' on several packages in /usr/port/ at > the same time? > > For example, if I want to build /usr/port/mail/thunderbird and > /usr/port/java/jdk14 at the same time, will they collide? > > Or is it better to just install software one-by-one? Although I do run some "sudo make install clean" in parallel, I won't recommend it if you're a beginner. The reason is that the ports system manages a database that you're likely to break if 2 packages try to commit at the same time. It is not an unrecoverable situation (you can always remove the database file and recreate it) but it's a pain in the neck if you try to portinstall something and ruby dies on you dumping the core all over the place. My cent worth ;-) Olivier From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 19 16:34:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66E116A4CE for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:34:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.228]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94FC043D53 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:34:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from martes.wigglesworth@earthlink.net) Received: from [213.209.169.198] (helo=[192.168.1.50]) by mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.34) id 1CJvS8-0001lP-8p for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 07:59:10 -0700 From: Martes Wigglesworth To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20041007120130.42F7216A5CC@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20041007120130.42F7216A5CC@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Wiggtekmicro Corporation Message-Id: <1098197936.9678.159.camel@Mobile1.276NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:58:56 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 532caf459ba90ce6996df0496707a79d9bea09fe345ed53d9ef193a6bfc3dd489b258ff8658e28ff17d8bc29d78f648cd16aef77543258d0350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 213.209.169.198 Subject: Problems compiling mplayer sources from the site. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: martes.wigglesworth@earthlink.net List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:34:07 -0000 When I attempt to compile mplayer-1.0pre5, I get the following error after gmaking the sources. > gmake install cc -I../libvo -I../../libvo -I/usr/X11R6/include -O4 -march=pentium3 -mcpu=pentium3 -pipe -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -D_THREAD_SAFE -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include/gtk12 -I/usr/local/include/glib12 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -Ilibmpdemux -Iloader -Ilibvo -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include/gtk12 -I/usr/local/include/glib12 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/include/SDL11 -I/usr/local/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -o mplayer mplayer.o mp_msg.o cpudetect.o codec-cfg.o spudec.o playtree.o playtreeparser.o asxparser.o vobsub.o subreader.o sub_cc.o find_sub.o m_config.o m_option.o parser-cfg.o m_struct.o unrarlib.o mixer.o parser-mpcmd.o libvo/libvo.a libao2/libao2.a vidix/libvidix.a Gui/libgui.a libmpcodecs/libmpcodecs.a mp3lib/libMP3.a liba52/liba52.a libmpeg2/libmpeg2.a loader/libloader.a loader/dshow/libDS_Filter.a loader/dmo/libDMO_Filter.a libaf/libaf.a libmpdemux/libmpdemux.a input/libinput.a postproc/libswscale.a osdep/libosdep.a -Llibmpdvdkit2 -lmpdvdkit libavcodec/libavcodec.a -lvorbis -logg -lmp3lame -lvorbis -logg -lpng -lz -lz -ljpeg -L/usr/local/lib -lfreetype -lz -ltinfo -lcdda_interface -lcdda_paranoia -lungif -lsmbclient -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lfontconfig libfaad2/libfaad2.a -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lgtk12 -lgdk12 -L/usr/local/lib -Wl,-E -lgmodule12 -lglib12 -lintl -lXi -lXext -lX11 -lm -L/usr/local/lib -lglib12 -laa -lGL -lXxf86dga -lXv -lXxf86vm -lXinerama -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXext -lX11 -L/usr/local/lib -Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/lib -lSDL-1.1 -lc_r -lvgagl -lvga -lm -L/usr/local/lib -lartsc -lc_r -L/usr/local/lib -lesd -laudiofile -lm -L/usr/local/lib -pthread -rdynamic -liconv -lintl -lm /usr/bin/ld: cannot open output file mplayer: Is a directory gmake: *** [mplayer] Error 1 I have had a heck of a time getting this far, usually it does not even recognize the make file, then I remembered that I was using make, and not gmake. Any assistance would be great. I have tried to touch an mplayer file to different directories, with no success. -- M.G.W. Wiggtekmicro, Corp. System: Asus M6N Intel Dothan 1.7 512MB RAM 40GB HD 10/100/1000 NIC Wireless b/g (not working yet) BSD-5.2.1 KDE-3.1.4 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 20 11:16:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F251416A4CE; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:16:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay19-f10.bay19.hotmail.com [64.4.53.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4F143D4C; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:16:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from joefso@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 04:16:01 -0700 Received: from 80.61.67.150 by by19fd.bay19.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:15:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [80.61.67.150] X-Originating-Email: [joefso@hotmail.com] X-Sender: joefso@hotmail.com From: "n.v.t n.v.t" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:15:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2004 11:16:01.0136 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E4CEF00:01C4B696] cc: joefso@hotmail.com Subject: Freebsd and performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:16:02 -0000 Hi I have been following news for quite a while now and I have tested several fbsd releases form 4.X and 5.2.1 releases from all I have noticed is that I liked 4.X very much especially the memory management, harvest performance, actually the overall performance and the widely available documentation, well that's one of the main reasons why freebsd is known to me. Know you guys coming close to the 5.3 -stable release alot of users are going to upgrade/switch, right, because this is what we have been waiting for. What about the performance that 4.X had? Will the performance be equal ? Will it be having better performance? Even on low end machines? And especially sinds freebsd is becoming more and more ready for desktop use, performance is a big issue on desktops.(look at Gnu/Linux for example, which I have been using for a very long time know, and all I can remember is that almost all of the releases have scheduling/latency issues. When I was using 2.2/2.4/2.6 All I have seen where low latency patches. What about freebsd? I'm so exited to try out the new freebsd release. Butt a couple of questions are desired first. As all you have noticed the above^ part, will fbsd have the same performance or better? When will this be ready 5.3.X ? Could I get some more accurate information about this? Since I'm planning to use it on my desktop. I have only been reading the bsd section at slashdot so I don't know much about the progress you guys are making on the feature release. Is there a offical news site for freebsd users? Like openbsd has *deadly.org. What about the compile flags freebsd RC is using compared to 5.3 -stable will there be a lot of changes? What about gnome packages? Will 2.8 make it in 5.3 stable (iso)? If those things are taking a while to be there, does fbsd have any kernel patches like linux does to improve desktop performance? For example like: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/ Joe (PLEASE CC ME, I"M NOT SUBSCRIBED) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Zoeken helpt je om de gekste dingen te vinden! http://search.msn.nl From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 20 13:18:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B47C16A4D0 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:18:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from node15.coopprint.com (node15.cooperativeprinting.com [208.4.77.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 60E0743D3F for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:18:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ryans@gamersimpact.com) Received: (qmail 16054 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2004 13:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.5?) (63.231.165.205) by node15.coopprint.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2004 13:16:59 -0000 Message-ID: <417665A0.7030300@gamersimpact.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:18:24 -0500 From: Ryan Sommers User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "n.v.t n.v.t" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd and performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:18:08 -0000 n.v.t n.v.t wrote: > Know you guys coming close to the 5.3 -stable release alot of users > are going to upgrade/switch, right, because this is what we have been > waiting for. What about the performance that 4.X had? Will the > performance be equal ? Will it be having better performance? Even on > low end machines? And especially sinds freebsd is becoming more and > more ready for desktop use, performance is a big issue on > desktops.(look at Gnu/Linux for example, which I have been using for a > very long time know, and all I can remember is that almost all of the > releases have scheduling/latency issues. When I was using 2.2/2.4/2.6 > All I have seen where low latency patches. What about freebsd? I speak for myself only and not re@, but no. 5.3 will not (yet) have the same performance 4.x had. So far 5.x has been about upgrading some of our major subsystems with more modernization, like a multithreading kernel, multithreaded kernel subsystems, eliminating Giant, etc. All of these things are not the tried-and-true of 4.x, they are new. Likewise they may not outperform 4.x, yet. I imagine once RELENG_5_3 is cut and -STABLE is adopted we will see more and more performance related patches. Eventually the 5.x branch will achieve the stability 4.x has to offer. > I have only been reading the bsd section at slashdot so I don't know > much about the progress you guys are making on the feature release. Is > there a offical news site for freebsd users? Like openbsd has > *deadly.org. www.freebsd.org. www.daemonnews.com I think carries some news. Otherwise, subscribe to current@. That's a pretty good way to see information about what is going on. > If those things are taking a while to be there, does fbsd have any > kernel patches like linux does to improve desktop performance? For > example like: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/ Lord, I hope not. One of the reasons I dislike Linux (and there are many) is how much independent, unofficial, hard-to-find, incompatible, and distribution specific development goes on. If you have patches that would benefit the project, why not submit them? -- Ryan Sommers ryans@gamersimpact.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 20 19:05:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3F116A53B for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:05:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay10-f36.bay10.hotmail.com [64.4.37.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E97E43D5D for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:05:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:05:08 -0700 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:04:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] X-Sender: crollins666@hotmail.com From: "clayton rollins" To: martes.wigglesworth@earthlink.net, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:04:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2004 19:05:08.0051 (UTC) FILETIME=[B72B5230:01C4B6D7] Subject: RE: Problems compiling mplayer sources from the site. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:05:38 -0000 On Oct. 19, 2004, Martes Wigglesworth > >When I attempt to compile mplayer-1.0pre5, I get the following error after >gmaking the sources. > > > gmake install [snipped] > >I have had a heck of a time getting this far, usually it does not even >recognize the make file, then I remembered that I was using make, and not >gmake. > >Any assistance would be great. >I have tried to touch an mplayer file to different directories, with no >success. > > >-- > > >M.G.W. >Wiggtekmicro, Corp. > Before saying anything else, I should state that technical questions should be sent to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, which is the only official list for such things. I have no idea about the error your seeing; haven't seen that one yet... :) However, is there any special reason you're not using the ports system? Described here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html Best Regards, Clayton _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 20 19:24:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BEEC16A4CE for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:24:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net (invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.254]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2990B43D2F for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:24:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from martes.wigglesworth@earthlink.net) Received: from [213.209.169.198] (helo=[192.168.1.50]) by invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.34) id 1CKM4o-0003tx-C4; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:24:54 -0700 From: Martes Wigglesworth To: clayton rollins , newbies freebsd list In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Wiggtekmicro Corporation Message-Id: <1098300276.1973.23.camel@Mobile1.276NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:24:36 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 532caf459ba90ce6996df0496707a79d9bea09fe345ed53d9ef193a6bfc3dd48073bf448e7efe50277d6b0f85a01b93eb5548f7b21afc86f350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 213.209.169.198 Subject: RE: Problems compiling mplayer sources from the site. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: martes.wigglesworth@earthlink.net List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:24:54 -0000 Thanks for the info about the questions list, a nice dude already let me know about it. In reference to the ports system, I keep getting make errors when trying to use the new port for mplayer-1.0... I think that it uses make instead of gmake, because I got the same errors until I remembered to use gmake. I have gotten it to compile/install from a gmake build, ports still does not work for me. The error was evidently due to a miscellaneous directory having been created in the compile directory for mplayer. I found it and removed it, and then proceeded with the install from the tared download from mplayer.org. Thanks for the reply, though. Respectfully, On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 22:04, clayton rollins wrote: > On Oct. 19, 2004, Martes Wigglesworth > > > >When I attempt to compile mplayer-1.0pre5, I get the following error after > >gmaking the sources. > > > > > gmake install > [snipped] > > > >I have had a heck of a time getting this far, usually it does not even > >recognize the make file, then I remembered that I was using make, and not > >gmake. > > > >Any assistance would be great. > >I have tried to touch an mplayer file to different directories, with no > >success. > > > > > >-- > > > > > >M.G.W. > >Wiggtekmicro, Corp. > > > > Before saying anything else, I should state that technical questions should > be sent to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, which is the only official list > for > such things. > > I have no idea about the error your seeing; haven't seen that one yet... :) > > However, is there any special reason you're not using the ports system? > Described here: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html > > Best Regards, > Clayton > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- M.G.W. Wiggtekmicro, Corp. System: Asus M6N Intel Dothan 1.7 512MB RAM 40GB HD 10/100/1000 NIC Wireless b/g (not working yet) BSD-5.2.1 KDE-3.1.4 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 20 19:26:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3DA116A4CE for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:26:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fidel.freesurf.fr (fidel.freesurf.fr [212.43.206.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF8F43D2F for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:26:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olivier@gautherot.net) Received: from [212.43.209.33] (du-209-33.nat.adsl.claranet.fr [212.43.209.33]) by fidel.freesurf.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E04472A4E08; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:26:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4176BBE2.6080902@gautherot.net> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:26:26 +0200 From: Olivier Gautherot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20041001 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: martes.wigglesworth@earthlink.net References: <20041007120130.42F7216A5CC@hub.freebsd.org> <1098197936.9678.159.camel@Mobile1.276NET> In-Reply-To: <1098197936.9678.159.camel@Mobile1.276NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems compiling mplayer sources from the site. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:26:37 -0000 Hi Martes! I won't repeat the note about "it's not the right list..." but anyway... Martes Wigglesworth wrote: >When I attempt to compile mplayer-1.0pre5, I get the following error after gmaking the sources. > > >>gmake install >> >> Indeed, you should type make and not gmake: FreeBSD has its own make utility. If it does not recognize the makefile, it probably means that you have a problem with the ports repository. Did you download a fresh copy of ports.tar.gz from ftp.freebsd.org? I would recommend that you refresh the repository: rename the current tree to /usr/ports.old and install a freshly downloaded tree. Make sure you don't overwrite an existing tree as this will cause more trouble than help (sometimes, some patches make their way to the official archive and the patch system just breaks... or the patch has nothing to see with the source you just downloaded). Follow this by a "pkgdb -u" and you should be set. Hope it helps Olivier From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 20 19:46:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313A416A4CE for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:46:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay10-f37.bay10.hotmail.com [64.4.37.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC3743D3F for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:46:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:46:04 -0700 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:45:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] X-Sender: crollins666@hotmail.com From: "clayton rollins" To: martes.wigglesworth@earthlink.net, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:45:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2004 19:46:04.0650 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F6A94A0:01C4B6DD] Subject: RE: Problems compiling mplayer sources from the site. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:46:05 -0000 On Oct. 20, 2004, Martes Wigglesworth wrote: > [snip] > >In reference to the ports system, > >I keep getting make errors when trying to use the new port for >mplayer-1.0... > >I think that it uses make instead of gmake, because I got the same >errors until I remembered to use gmake. I have gotten it to >compile/install from a gmake build, ports still does not work for me. > Odd. The port sets USE_GMAKE=yes so that shouldn't happen... I don't have time to actually investigate further... I'm sure the port maintainer might like to hear about it, as long as your ports tree is current. (Maybe some subscript is calling make directly or something...) > >The error was evidently due to a miscellaneous directory having been >created in the compile directory for mplayer. I found it and removed >it, and then proceeded with the install from the tared download from >mplayer.org. > [snip] Glad you found it. Best Regards, Clayton _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 21 10:05:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A307116A4CE for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:05:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gw.hemusmark.com (gate.hemusmark.com [212.91.181.113]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE37743D46 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:05:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from georgiev@hemusmark.com) Received: from sunsite (sun [192.168.0.3]) by gw.hemusmark.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i9LA5eGS023734 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:05:41 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from georgiev@hemusmark.com) Message-ID: <000d01c4b7a9$86282370$e2b45bd4@sunsite> From: "Hristo Georgiev" To: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:06:59 -0700 Organization: Hemusmark AD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Subject: trap number 12 :-( X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Hristo Georgiev List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:05:47 -0000 Hi all, today i found my FreeBSD 5.2.1 Release with this message on console stack pointer = 0x10:0cxcdb0c918 frame pointer = 0x10:0cxdb0c91c code segment = base 0x0 limit 0xfffff,type 0x1b DPLO pres 1 def321,gran 1 processor eflags = resume ,IOPl = 0 current proces = ll (idle) trap number 12 panic: page fault Uptime..... help mi pls....hardware i Gigabyte 8IPE1000 Celeron-D 2.4 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 21 12:15:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC2416A4CE for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:15:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5352E43D46 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:15:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from nbritton.org (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with SMTP id <20041021121556i91008ivnke>; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:15:56 +0000 Message-ID: <4177A87B.7030409@nbritton.org> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:15:55 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hristo Georgiev References: <000d01c4b7a9$86282370$e2b45bd4@sunsite> In-Reply-To: <000d01c4b7a9$86282370$e2b45bd4@sunsite> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: trap number 12 :-( X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:15:57 -0000 Hristo Georgiev wrote: >Hi all, today i found my FreeBSD 5.2.1 Release with this message on console > >stack pointer = 0x10:0cxcdb0c918 >frame pointer = 0x10:0cxdb0c91c >code segment = base 0x0 limit 0xfffff,type 0x1b > DPLO pres 1 def321,gran 1 >processor eflags = resume ,IOPl = 0 >current proces = ll (idle) >trap number 12 >panic: page fault > >Uptime..... > >help mi pls....hardware i Gigabyte 8IPE1000 Celeron-D 2.4 > > We can't, you didn't give us any info on what the problem is, because the error message is meaningless unless put into context. Also the newbies list is not the right place for this type of question. Please resend this email with a description of what the problem is and the output of "uname -a" to the freebsd-questions mailling list. Also you might want to send the output of dmesg and build a debug kernel so you can send in a backtrace when they ask for it. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 22 03:27:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E97516A4CE; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:27:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from theta.hostspectrum.com (theta.hostspectrum.com [206.123.100.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D230543D31; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:27:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nate@nathansouer.com) Received: from cpe-65-25-219-10.mn.rr.com ([65.25.219.10] helo=[192.168.0.172]) by theta.hostspectrum.com with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CKq4x-0007Mu-CD; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:26:59 -0500 From: Nathan Alan Souer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:25:47 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410212225.47611.nate@nathansouer.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - theta.hostspectrum.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - nathansouer.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: KDE Front End for mPlayer X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:27:21 -0000 Hello everyone, Thanks in advance for any help. Still pretty fresh newbie here with FreeBSD and *nix in general. I have been trying to find a front end for mplayer in KDE 3.2. My system is 4.10, with an essentially generic kernel with sound drivers added. I have tried "making" both kmplayer, and kplayer from the ports tree. Both error out citing a dependancy on openldap-2.2.17 I have tried to upgrade openldap using pkg_update and portupgrade, neither can find the upgraded software: seminary# pkg_update openldap-2.2.17 Can't find package file openldap-2.2.17 seminary# portupgrade openldap-2.2.17 ** No such installed package: openldap-2.2.17 Would someone please be so kind as to give me some direction? Is there another available front end? Everything I find on the web is Linux, I would much prefer a full port. Or is my mistake above simply a syntax error? Thanks again in advance for any help. Also please CC your reponses to my e-mail address I am not a suscriber to any of the lists. -- Nathan Alan Souer nate@nathansouer.com "Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard, be evil." From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 22 03:43:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D4816A4CE; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:43:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gldis.ca (constans.gldis.ca [66.11.169.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59DB743D48; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:43:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gldisater@gldis.ca) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gldis.ca (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i9M3o1RR033102; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:50:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gldisater@gldis.ca) From: Jeremy Faulkner To: Nathan Alan Souer In-Reply-To: <200410212225.47611.nate@nathansouer.com> References: <200410212225.47611.nate@nathansouer.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-TSXf55wEbyyD++AsL+f9" Message-Id: <1098402390.982.22.camel@ocean-deep.gldis.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:46:31 +0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80rc4/524/Sun Oct 10 11:36:08 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on constans.gldis.ca X-Virus-Status: Clean cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: KDE Front End for mPlayer X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:43:27 -0000 --=-TSXf55wEbyyD++AsL+f9 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 03:25, Nathan Alan Souer wrote: > seminary# portupgrade openldap-2.2.17 > ** No such installed package: openldap-2.2.17 portupgrade /var/db/pkg/openldap* or portupgrade 'openldap*' You don't specify what you want to upgrade to, but what you want to upgrade. --=20 Jeremy Faulkner --=-TSXf55wEbyyD++AsL+f9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBeEpWfb0Lle2MIEIRAvTTAKCS/qfVsns036GPGEF5mE6Ei33QLQCgtTDb 0rE5Tzx6NuW5BTXL9TgQ/4A= =ul2D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-TSXf55wEbyyD++AsL+f9-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 22 03:51:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF62116A4CE; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:51:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms05.mailstreet2003.net (MS05.mailstreet2003.net [63.251.155.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C8D543D1D; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:51:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@sigd.net) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:50:53 -0400 Message-ID: <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220223C7A5@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: KDE Front End for mPlayer Thread-Index: AcS350E28bp31EHDSJ+Jz+Z3SSlkcgAAvQGQ From: "Haulmark, Chris" To: "Nathan Alan Souer" , , , Subject: RE: KDE Front End for mPlayer X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:51:05 -0000 =20 Someone broke the silence:=20 > Hello everyone, > Thanks in advance for any help. Still pretty fresh > newbie here with FreeBSD > and *nix in general. I have been trying to find a front end > for mplayer in > KDE 3.2. My system is 4.10, with an essentially generic > kernel with sound > drivers added. I have tried "making" both kmplayer, and > kplayer from the > ports tree. Both error out citing a dependancy on openldap-2.2.17 > I have tried to upgrade openldap using pkg_update and portupgrade, > neither can find the upgraded software: Have you tried gmplayer which is included with mplayer if you compile = mplayer without "WITHOUT_GUI"? >=20 > seminary# pkg_update openldap-2.2.17 > Can't find package file openldap-2.2.17 >=20 > seminary# portupgrade openldap-2.2.17 > ** No such installed package: openldap-2.2.17 >=20 Do not include the version number when you use either pkg_update or = portupgrade. Instead, just do like this: pkg_update openldap=20 portupgrade openldap If there are more than one versions, it'll ask you yes or no for each = version. > Would someone please be so kind as to give me some direction? > Is there another > available front end? Everything I find on the web is Linux, I would > much prefer a full port. Or is my mistake above simply a syntax error? >=20 > Thanks again in advance for any help. Also please CC your reponses to > my e-mail address I am not a suscriber to any of the lists. -- Chris Haulmark System Admin. Freelancer "In market for IT corrections for a salary." From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 22 12:15:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB6016A4CE for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:15:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from alpha.it.teithe.gr (alpha.it.teithe.gr [195.251.240.232]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2939943D62 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:15:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pstal@it.teithe.gr) Received: from [192.168.17.242] (ppp16-ax.noc.teithe.gr [195.251.120.16]) by alpha.it.teithe.gr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i9MCFd4R014772 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:15:41 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4178F9B2.3050105@it.teithe.gr> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:14:42 +0300 From: P Stalidis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Searching X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:15:55 -0000 Hello to everybody, from Greece. I'm not sure if this is the right place to send this e-mail, but I'm sending it anyhow :) I've got an old PC, (i386sx33, 1MB ram, 200MB HD) and I want to run freeBSD on it. It is obvious that newer versions won't run, so I'm looking for one of the earlier versions like 1.0 .... If anyone still has something please send it over or redirect me to someplace else. Thanks in advance :) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 22 03:15:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F85F16A51C for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:15:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-f33.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.47.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C06943D49 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:15:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matthewjordan110@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:15:02 -0700 Received: from 205.214.222.78 by by9fd.bay9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:14:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.214.222.78] X-Originating-Email: [matthewjordan110@hotmail.com] X-Sender: matthewjordan110@hotmail.com From: "Matthew Jordan" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:14:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2004 03:15:02.0238 (UTC) FILETIME=[51E20FE0:01C4B7E5] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:19:15 +0000 Subject: Curious (Student) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:15:33 -0000 My name is Matthew Jordan, and I have an advance interest in operating system design and programming, and the ability to understand highly technical documentation, in relation to both computer hardware and software. My aim has always been to learn, to learn about everything. When I discovered the FreeBSD Operating System, I saw as an oportunity to both contribute and learn from the project. The other programming task I can get done given a set of standards, but the one question that I have not been so far been able to answer due to the lack of financial resources is: Is there a general motherboard architechture, you see if I knew the specfic address of the DMA, IO Controller etc, I would be in a position to write low level code to operate with high level code. So I am requestion the oportunity to help further develpe this project in return for access to highly technical data; please note I already know a myriad of programming languages including, C, C++, C#, Fortran, Basic, Pascal, J, J++, Java , D, Visual Basic, Assembly etc. I also possess many other technical skills and knowledge. Furthermore I possess an Associate Degree in Electrical Engineering, and various CXC passes especially in Mathematics, Physics, Engilsh, Electronics. Bascially I am just asking for your help to learn more and in return I shall help you. Thank You for at least reading this E-mail! _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 22 13:08:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1944916A4CE for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:08:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail97.megamailservers.com (mail97.megamailservers.com [216.251.36.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730C643D1F for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:08:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from antadam@spymac.com) X-Authenticated-User: atnewhard.microstrain.com Received: from [192.168.167.17] (ipn36372-b84274.cidr.lightship.net [216.204.141.178]) (authenticated bits=0)i9MD8kDd029721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:08:48 -0400 Message-ID: <41790660.8050602@spymac.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:08:48 -0400 From: adam User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Jordan References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Curious (Student) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:08:55 -0000 Matthew Jordan wrote: > My name is Matthew Jordan, and I have an advance interest in operating > system design and programming, and the ability to understand highly > technical documentation, in relation to both computer hardware and > software. > > My aim has always been to learn, to learn about everything. When I > discovered the FreeBSD Operating System, I saw as an oportunity to > both contribute and learn from the project. > > The other programming task I can get done given a set of standards, > but the one question that I have not been so far been able to answer > due to the lack of financial resources is: Is there a general > motherboard architechture, you see if I knew the specfic address of > the DMA, IO Controller etc, I would be in a position to write low > level code to operate with high level code. > > So I am requestion the oportunity to help further develpe this project > in return for access to highly technical data; please note I already > know a myriad of programming languages including, C, C++, C#, Fortran, > Basic, Pascal, J, J++, Java , D, Visual Basic, Assembly etc. I also > possess many other technical skills and knowledge. Furthermore I > possess an Associate Degree in Electrical Engineering, and various CXC > passes especially in Mathematics, Physics, Engilsh, Electronics. > > Bascially I am just asking for your help to learn more and in return I > shall help you. > > Thank You for at least > reading this E-mail! > > All the technical data you speak of is out there. The entire os is completely open source. I think you may be asking more or less of a place to get your feet wet in understanding the os. If you're looking to get into the development of the os itself, I'd suggest directing yourself towards the development section of the freebsd site at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/index.html From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 22 13:36:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E5D16A4CE for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:36:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fidel.freesurf.fr (fidel.freesurf.fr [212.43.206.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3130A43D49 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:36:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olivier@gautherot.net) Received: from freesurf.fr (jose.freesurf.fr [212.43.206.13]) by fidel.freesurf.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id BD8C52A4993; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:36:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 194.98.178.34 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ogautherot) by jose.freesurf.fr with HTTP; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:36:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <47521.194.98.178.34.1098452181.squirrel@jose.freesurf.fr> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:36:21 +0200 (CEST) From: "Olivier Gautherot" To: X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: References: Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Curious (Student) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: olivier@gautherot.net List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:36:24 -0000 Hi Matthew! Welcome to the club :-) The only thing I can tell you is that you made a good choice for your new OS - definitely a lot of good stuff to learn... and valuable experience if one day you choose to look at something else but I know I should not talk about competition ;-) The community is great too - that's another asset of the project. > The other programming task I can get done given a set of standards, but > the one question that I have not been so far been able to answer due > to the lack of financial resources is: Is there a general motherboard > architechture, you see if I knew the specfic address of the DMA, IO > Controller etc, I would be in a position to write low level code to > operate with high level code. Well, if you (or a neighbour) have an old PC that you're about to scrap, it is probably a good candidate for a test machine. BSD will run on old architectures (Pentium and before) - although you should not expect to run the latest KDE or 3D flight simulator on it ;-) If you're interested in networking, you can run a more than decent firewall, though. > So I am requestion the oportunity to help further develpe this project > in return for access to highly technical data; please note I already > know a myriad of programming languages including, C, C++, C#, Fortran, > Basic, Pascal, J, J++, Java , D, Visual Basic, Assembly etc. I also > possess many other technical skills and knowledge. Furthermore I > possess an Associate Degree in Electrical Engineering, and various CXC > passes especially in Mathematics, Physics, Engilsh, Electronics. Sounds like you're going to have fun with the 11000+ packages available! Have a look at the existing software and see what you're interested in. All packages have a TODO list so you'll have plenty to occupy your free time and more. I would suggest to install the system on a machine and play around to start with. Just reading the handbook should keep you busy for a few days. Hope to see your name soon in the "New committers" list! Cheers Olivier From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 22 15:04:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BA5616A4CE for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:04:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C2E43D3F for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:04:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from geekout@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 74so150314rnk for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:04:53 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=VsUIIrFuRiXkm46c21gmwIeshO0/EaumkWC3eH3fPwE1A3MTOUWSw16r5JRwI/EaHQQSng3fEWoUfjJPYb5um2ajors3pKL/U1VyUjWVWaVaPHAroOOfH4I+CpJhe4AUV4ktDyoAing3n/pzvfcYpix7wKUNY/E9H/1wAiGFAd0= Received: by 10.38.22.11 with SMTP id 11mr374431rnv; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.72.54 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6e01203b0410220804434cca99@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:04:53 -0600 From: Tyler Gee To: olivier@gautherot.net In-Reply-To: <47521.194.98.178.34.1098452181.squirrel@jose.freesurf.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <47521.194.98.178.34.1098452181.squirrel@jose.freesurf.fr> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: matthewjordan110@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Curious (Student) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tyler Gee List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:04:54 -0000 Matthew, I am reading over *The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System* right now and it is filled with everything you need to know to grok the entire kernel. Give it a go if you have the $60, if not, see if there is a local BSD user group [2] in your area as they might have a copy that you could purchase (plus you should go to the UG meetings anyway). Good luck and have fun, -wtgee [1]http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201702452/qid=1098457315/sr=2-1/ref=pd_ka_b_2_1/103-6610586-2647058 [2]http://www.freebsd.org/usergroups.html On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:36:21 +0200 (CEST), Olivier Gautherot wrote: > Hi Matthew! > > Welcome to the club :-) The only thing I can tell you is that you > made a good choice for your new OS - definitely a lot of good stuff > to learn... and valuable experience if one day you choose to look > at something else but I know I should not talk about competition ;-) > The community is great too - that's another asset of the project. > > > > The other programming task I can get done given a set of standards, but > > the one question that I have not been so far been able to answer due > > to the lack of financial resources is: Is there a general motherboard > > architechture, you see if I knew the specfic address of the DMA, IO > > Controller etc, I would be in a position to write low level code to > > operate with high level code. > > Well, if you (or a neighbour) have an old PC that you're about to scrap, > it is probably a good candidate for a test machine. BSD will run on > old architectures (Pentium and before) - although you should not expect > to run the latest KDE or 3D flight simulator on it ;-) If you're > interested in networking, you can run a more than decent firewall, though. > > > > So I am requestion the oportunity to help further develpe this project > > in return for access to highly technical data; please note I already > > know a myriad of programming languages including, C, C++, C#, Fortran, > > Basic, Pascal, J, J++, Java , D, Visual Basic, Assembly etc. I also > > possess many other technical skills and knowledge. Furthermore I > > possess an Associate Degree in Electrical Engineering, and various CXC > > passes especially in Mathematics, Physics, Engilsh, Electronics. > > Sounds like you're going to have fun with the 11000+ packages available! > Have a look at the existing software and see what you're interested in. > All packages have a TODO list so you'll have plenty to occupy your free > time and more. I would suggest to install the system on a machine and > play around to start with. Just reading the handbook should keep you > busy for a few days. > > Hope to see your name soon in the "New committers" list! > > Cheers > Olivier > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 22 19:10:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D4916A4CE for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:10:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B74443D49 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:10:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i9MJANW8079355 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:10:23 GMT (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i9MJAMVf079314 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:10:22 GMT (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:10:22 GMT From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200410221910.i9MJAMVf079314@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:10:23 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 23 01:32:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77AB516A4CE for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:32:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from c009.snv.cp.net (h017.c009.snv.cp.net [209.228.34.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 211B743D2F for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:32:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from darb@canada.com) Received: (cpmta 11662 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2004 18:32:11 -0700 Received: from 209.228.34.114 (HELO mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.canada.com (209.228.34.130) with SMTP; 22 Oct 2004 18:32:11 -0700 X-Sent: 23 Oct 2004 01:32:11 GMT Received: from [24.85.69.220] by mail.canada.com with HTTP; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: "Brad" X-Sent-From: darb@canada.com Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:32:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.6.4-0 Message-Id: <20041022183211.5399.h001.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> Subject: remote logon X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:32:12 -0000 I just completed install of 5.2.1 and am trying to logon remotely via SSH and keep getting access denied. My password is correct, because I can log onto the box directly. Any ideas? From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 23 13:18:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5517D16A4CE for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:18:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from helium.webpack.hosteurope.de (helium.webpack.hosteurope.de [217.115.142.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6C143D41 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:18:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from me@hexren.net) Received: from pd9e46f01.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.228.111.1] helo=hexren) by helium.webpack.hosteurope.de with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CLLmp-0002sS-Og; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:18:23 +0200 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:18:22 +0200 From: Hexren X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Business X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <94549111.20041023151822@hexren.net> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20041022183211.5399.h001.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> References: <20041022183211.5399.h001.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HE-MXrcvd: no cc: Brad Subject: Re: remote logon X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Hexren List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:18:28 -0000 B> I just completed install of 5.2.1 and am trying to logon remotely via SSH and keep getting access B> denied. B> My password is correct, because I can log onto the box directly. B> Any ideas? B> _______________________________________________ B> freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list B> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies B> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --------------------------------------------- are you trying to log on as "root" ? That is forbidden by default. you must change the parameter "PermitRootLogin" from no to yes in the sshd conf file (which is located at /etc/ssh/sshd_conf/) btw: it is a bad habit to remotely log in as root, it is considered to be more secure if you log on as unprivileged user and then "su - root" to become the superuser. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 23 15:13:00 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E54216A4CE; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:13:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from emboss.bossbox.com (cpc2-tall1-5-0-cust19.dbln.cable.ntl.com [81.98.89.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8444643D41; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:12:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brian@bossbox.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([192.168.0.2]) by emboss.bossbox.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i9NFCuSI046665; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:12:57 +0100 (IST) (envelope-from brian@bossbox.com) Message-ID: <417A74FB.2080807@bossbox.com> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:12:59 +0100 From: Brian User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20041023) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <417A69B2.1070007@sydnet.net> In-Reply-To: <417A69B2.1070007@sydnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re Rid of those windows desktops! X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:13:00 -0000 Hi I would just like to thank everyone who gave advice on Friday about FreeBSD on the desktop. I started my installs of 5.3RC1 last night and today have a very nice so far very stable working workstation. All machines running 5.3RC1 and cvsup'd of this morning at 9pm GMT ports and base. XFCE4 GUI Firefox,Thunderbird,xmms, irssi and various other bits. I'll document the install at some stage for newcomers. Thanks again for all advice given. Cheers Brian From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 23 17:28:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 978DC16A4CE for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:28:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gaff.hhhr.ision.net (gaff.hhhr.ision.net [195.180.9.213]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA98843D3F for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:28:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ohoyer@ohoyer.de) Received: from gaff.hhhr.ision.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gaff.hhhr.ision.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i9NHSZVc090316; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:28:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ohoyer@ohoyer.de) Received: from localhost (ohoyer@localhost)i9NHSXKX090313; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:28:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ohoyer@ohoyer.de) X-Authentication-Warning: gaff.hhhr.ision.net: ohoyer owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:28:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Olaf Hoyer Sender: ohoyer@gaff.hhhr.ision.net To: Brad In-Reply-To: <20041022183211.5399.h001.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <20041023192637.U90310@gaff.hhhr.ision.net> References: <20041022183211.5399.h001.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: remote logon X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:28:33 -0000 On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Brad wrote: > I just completed install of 5.2.1 and am trying to logon remotely via SSH and keep getting access > denied. > > My password is correct, because I can log onto the box directly. Short guess: you are trying to login as root? Thats disabled because of security reasons. create a user, and put the user in the wheel group so that that user is allowed to su. When its a different problem, try connecting with ssh -v, and post the results to freebsd-questions, there they are better suited because of direct debugging... HTH Olaf -- Olaf Hoyer ohoyer@ohoyer.de Fuerchterliche Erlebniss geben zu raten, ob der, welcher sie erlebt, nicht etwas Fuerchterliches ist. (Nietzsche, Jenseits von Gut und Boese) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 23 21:14:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 858F016A4CF for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:14:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2158643D4C for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:14:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 8668 invoked by uid 65534); 23 Oct 2004 21:14:43 -0000 Received: from p5087DB0E.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO lofi.dyndns.org) (80.135.219.14) by mail.gmx.net (mp003) with SMTP; 23 Oct 2004 23:14:43 +0200 X-Authenticated: #443188 Received: from kiste.my.domain (lofi@kiste.my.domain [192.168.8.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by lofi.dyndns.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i9NLEYMb001680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 23 Oct 2004 23:14:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) From: Michael Nottebrock To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 23:13:53 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220223C7A5@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> In-Reply-To: <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220223C7A5@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1407664.oolGFfvKHO"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410232313.57920.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new cc: Nathan Alan Souer cc: "Haulmark, Chris" cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: KDE Front End for mPlayer X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:14:46 -0000 --nextPart1407664.oolGFfvKHO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Friday, 22. October 2004 05:50, Haulmark, Chris wrote: > Do not include the version number when you use either pkg_update or > portupgrade. Instead, just do like this: > > pkg_update openldap > portupgrade openldap > > If there are more than one versions, it'll ask you yes or no for each > version. This is simply wrong (for openldap*). Please try out your suggestions yours= elf=20 before mailing them... =2D-=20 ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org --nextPart1407664.oolGFfvKHO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.9.11 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBesmVXhc68WspdLARArYZAKCXAN4NXGX2ObeZLdMQwKBEWQSQrwCggcgX JYAoAUf2NOX/sFNz2P9akWw= =U6uZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1407664.oolGFfvKHO-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 23 21:53:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19CE816A4CE; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:53:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms05.mailstreet2003.net (MS05.mailstreet2003.net [63.251.155.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8379C43D31; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:53:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@sigd.net) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:52:47 -0400 Message-ID: <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220228C04A@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: KDE Front End for mPlayer Thread-Index: AcS5RYPTd6uzl9DVQ2agaAbPJWqGCAAAxBXg From: "Haulmark, Chris" To: "Michael Nottebrock" , cc: Nathan Alan Souer cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: KDE Front End for mPlayer X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:53:06 -0000 Someone broke the silence:=20 > On Friday, 22. October 2004 05:50, Haulmark, Chris wrote: >=20 >> Do not include the version number when you use either pkg_update or >> portupgrade. Instead, just do like this: >>=20 >> pkg_update openldap >> portupgrade openldap >>=20 >> If there are more than one versions, it'll ask you yes or no for each >> version. >=20 > This is simply wrong (for openldap*). Please try out your suggestions > yourself before mailing them... Of course, those were intended to be an example of how to eliminate the = use of version numbers as part of the given arg to either tools. pkg_update was my only mistake as it is removed. pkg_add is what I = meant. Perhaps, it would been best for you to point out that there are several = different openldap packages instead of opting to respond and correct my = lack of explanations considering the fact there are different openldap = packages available. -- Chris Haulmark System Admin. Freelancer "In market for IT corrections for a salary."