From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 21 08:10:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E17216A4CE; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 08:10:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106C043D3F; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 08:10:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C3157C2; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:10:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 85564-07; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:10:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3FE285643; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:10:03 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20041121081003.3FE285643@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:10:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2004-10-31 - 2004-11-20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 08:10:44 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 21 17:11:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BECB816A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:11:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1767A43D2F for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:11:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from joe@thefrys.com) Received: from lucy (cpe-069-133-089-209.twmi.rr.com [69.133.89.209]) iALHB1wZ011091 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:11:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Joseph H. Fry" Cc: Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:11:13 -0500 Message-ID: <005c01c4cfed$1b18b7a0$6300a8c0@lucy> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <20041120220519.GC4609@fan.priv.at> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: RE: Any thoughts on fanless PC from "Cappuccino PC" ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:11:04 -0000 Slashdot just had a nice article on Pentium M desktop boards... A little pricy at the moment, but with speedstep and all of their power improvements, they perform nearly as well as a P4 for most tasks and can run with passive cooling. IE fanless. (assuming that it's not tucked away in a closet or cabinet I'm sure) Of course, AFIK you would have to build a system yourself. ---- Joe Fry ---- (joe@thefrys.com) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Alex D'Elia > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 5:05 PM > To: bsdfsse > Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Any thoughts on fanless PC from "Cappuccino PC" ? > > > * bsdfsse [041120 20:08]: > > > > > I built a low-powered FreeBSD server for my house, now I have this > > nagging fear that it will somehow burst in to flames while I am not > > around. It's in a tower case that I've been re-using for > various builds > > for a few years, but its so loud that I have to put it (and 2 other > > machines) in to my closet. > > > > Maybe its the heat the 3 machines generate, but I find myself not > > trusting them, shutting them all down whenever I am gone > for more than a > > day. I'd like a nice silent machine I can keep an eye on. > I found this > > Cappuccino PC site after googling for an American version > of a British > > site called "Hush PC". > > > > I'm actually tired of building my machines, so a pre-built one is > > ideal. > > > > Anyone have any experience with FreeBSD 4.x or 5.x on one of these > > machines?: > > > > http://www.cappuccinopc.com/solutions/fanless.asp > > > > Also, would a computer from London work in America? The Hush PC's > > looked > > pretty good. I think they have different electrical plugs > over there, > > that could be a fire hazard. > > > > Thanks! > > High there :) > > I also built one myself with an EPIA VIA NEHEMIAH 1.2GHz > installed all the system with X and gnome. It runs fine ( for > a low powered CPU ) but I must say its working better with a > linux gentoo than freebsd, probably because gentoo has a > packaging system similar to FreeBSD :^) and because of the > docs and epiawiki. > > But I think that with some hacking around you might get > the same out of it with freebsd. > > The problem is still that you cant really use it as a > workstation if you are meant to install mplayer and want to > see videos. > > But its a great low powered silent and neat machines... > and they are really affordable. > > We are actually working on a project on that, hopefully > soon we might tell your more :) > > anyway, prebuilt is ofcourse a nice thing > when you dont want hack around anymore. > But changing a plug is not that big job. > > > adios, > alex > > > -- > ** acme aka Alex D'Elia --> root.acme.com > ** > ** private:: alex@fan.priv.at > ** work:: acme@sil.at > ** > ** mobile_at: +43 699 12034633 > ** mobile_it: +39 328 4029914 > ** USATEL: +1 646 4851628 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/free> bsd-newbies > To > unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 21 17:16:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8583D16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:16:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2885243D39 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:16:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from joe@thefrys.com) Received: from lucy (cpe-069-133-089-209.twmi.rr.com [69.133.89.209]) iALHGDlv004463; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:16:14 -0500 (EST) From: "Joseph H. Fry" To: "'Joseph H. Fry'" Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:16:26 -0500 Message-ID: <005d01c4cfed$d5826d70$6300a8c0@lucy> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <005c01c4cfed$1b18b7a0$6300a8c0@lucy> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Any thoughts on fanless PC from "Cappuccino PC" ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:16:17 -0000 > Slashdot just had a nice article on Pentium M desktop > boards... A little pricy at the moment, but with speedstep > and all of their power improvements, they perform nearly as > well as a P4 for most tasks and can run with passive cooling. > IE fanless. (assuming that it's not tucked away in a closet > or cabinet I'm sure) > > Of course, AFIK you would have to build a system yourself. > > ---- Joe Fry ---- > (joe@thefrys.com) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Alex D'Elia > > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 5:05 PM > > To: bsdfsse > > Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: Any thoughts on fanless PC from "Cappuccino PC" ? > > Sorry about the top post, and not deleteing the extra junk... Hit send without thinking first! ---- Joe Fry ---- (joe@thefrys.com) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 21 18:11:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E579B16A53A for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:11:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from flabnapple.net (Flabnapple.Net [204.87.183.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9B143D55 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:11:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@rzweb.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (c-24-5-6-87.client.comcast.net [24.5.6.87]) by flabnapple.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iALIB3JP023404 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:11:04 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Ron Gilbert Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:10:46 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Subject: Periodic security scripts... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:11:08 -0000 I am getting my server set up to mail security reports every night, and there is a script for loginfail, but I don't see any to report successful logins, or su's or sudo commands. On my redhat machine, I could get this info. Before I go an write all these myself, is there a way to turn this reporting on, or is there a place to get scripts that do this? Ron From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 22 12:50:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF15B16A4D0 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:50:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vsmtp2alice.tin.it (vsmtp2alice.tin.it [212.216.176.142]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F90D43D1F for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:50:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from giovanni.capezio@aliceposta.it) Received: from host208-135.pool80116.interbusiness.it (80.116.135.208) by vsmtp2alice.tin.it (7.0.027) id 41A043F900014361 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:50:53 +0100 From: Gianni To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:41:36 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200411221541.36135.giovanni.capezio@aliceposta.it> Subject: X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:50:54 -0000 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 22 13:19:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD47616A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:19:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AE543D4C for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:19:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with ESMTP id <20041122131936i9100rg15he>; Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:19:36 +0000 Message-ID: <41A1E766.1010603@nbritton.org> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:19:34 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041119) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gianni References: <200411221541.36135.giovanni.capezio@aliceposta.it> In-Reply-To: <200411221541.36135.giovanni.capezio@aliceposta.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:19:37 -0000 42? Gianni wrote: > > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 23 05:40:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4733916A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 05:40:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta11.adelphia.net (mta11.adelphia.net [68.168.78.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA8B243D2D for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 05:40:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from smithcam@adelphia.net) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (really [68.169.225.230]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20041123054052.BPGC19338.mta11.adelphia.net@[192.168.0.199]> for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:40:52 -0500 Message-ID: <41A2CD9C.1060903@adelphia.net> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:41:48 -0800 From: Kevin Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20041120 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: DVD burner recommendations ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 05:40:53 -0000 I have 5.3 running on a P4 box with Xorg and Gnome. I currently have an older CDROM that can play DVD's. I'm looking to upgrade this to a new DVD/CD burner/player. I'm looking for an inexpensive and widely available unit that willinstall/setup painlessly on freebsd 5.3. Any recommendations ? I have a source for lite-on drives - Has anyone tried these drives ? I'd also like to use k3b as this is what I've been using on Linux. I recall having problems with an earlier version of freebsd/kde that required me to use the SCSI emulation layer to use an IDE driver. Is this still the case ? Thanks in advance, -K From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 23 10:21:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8D616A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:21:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.rdsnet.ro (smtp.rdsnet.ro [62.231.74.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 469E943D1F for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:21:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: (qmail 9144 invoked by uid 89); 23 Nov 2004 10:24:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.tecnik93.com) (81.196.204.98) by 0 with SMTP; 23 Nov 2004 10:24:10 -0000 Received: from it.buh.tecnik93.com (localhost.buh.tecnik93.com [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.tecnik93.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 45AFA117E1; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:21:11 +0200 (EET) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:21:11 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: Kevin Smith Message-ID: <20041123122111.316c62bf@it.buh.tecnik93.com> In-Reply-To: <41A2CD9C.1060903@adelphia.net> References: <41A2CD9C.1060903@adelphia.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12b (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DVD burner recommendations ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:21:14 -0000 On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:41:48 -0800 Kevin Smith wrote: > I have 5.3 running on a P4 box with Xorg and Gnome. I currently have an > older CDROM that can play DVD's. I'm looking to upgrade this to a new > DVD/CD burner/player. I use with good results a Plextor PX-708. [..] > I'd also like to use k3b as this is what I've been using on Linux. I > recall having problems with an earlier version of freebsd/kde that > required me to use the SCSI emulation layer to use an IDE driver. Is > this still the case ? Yes. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 24 06:35:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 280AE16A4CE for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:35:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pd3mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA16B43D67 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:35:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ubernatural@shaw.ca) Received: from pd5mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr2so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.233]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I7O00KWI7MVC800@l-daemon> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:35:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml10so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.80]) by pd5mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I7O000XN7MVLPM0@pd5mr2so.prod.shaw.ca> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:35:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (S01060080c80b3213.gv.shawcable.net [24.68.194.60]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0I7O00F2V7MR86@l-daemon> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:35:19 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:35:16 -0800 From: John Fletcher In-reply-to: <419F962C.3030103@optonline.net> To: bsdfsse Message-id: <41A42BA4.7010804@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <419F962C.3030103@optonline.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any thoughts on fanless PC from "Cappuccino PC" ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:35:30 -0000 bsdfsse wrote: > Also, would a computer from London work in America? The Hush PC's > looked pretty good. I think they have different electrical plugs over > there, that could be a fire hazard. You wouldn't need to get a Hush PC from London - they have a distributor in the US (www.logicsupply.com). I would be very surprised if the US distributor sold 240V plugs. The Cappuccino PC's look a little cheaper but they're, um, cheaper. Nice thing about the Hush is that it would blend right in with your stereo equipment. Mini-itx.com has a bunch of ideas for diy or pre-built silent and near-silent PC's as well. Might even get you back interested in a special geeky diy project! A bunch of folks on mini-itx.com run linux on their VIA PC's (the main processor for the mini-itx board, though you can get P4s and Celerons too), but I haven't yet heard of a FreeBSD install. Maybe you could give some advice to the rest of us if you go that route - I've been quite curious to know if FreeBSD would run smoothly on those little PCs myself. Performance isn't really an issue for me, to be honest. Silence is far more important to me. John From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 24 15:32:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A007116A4CE for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:32:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from flabnapple.net (Flabnapple.Net [204.87.183.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515AD43D58 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:32:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@rzweb.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (c-24-23-129-175.client.comcast.net [24.23.129.175]) by flabnapple.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAOFWPZq010453 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 07:32:26 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Ron Gilbert Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 07:32:06 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Subject: periodic 800.loginfail problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:32:27 -0000 The script /etc/periodic/security/800.loginfail seems to have some problems, or something else on my system is interfering with it. The problem seems to be the catmsgs() function returns the contents of the auth.log file without any EOL's, so the following grep: grep -ia "^$yesterday.*(fail|illegal user)" fails due to the ^ anchor condition never being met. Is there something set on my system that is causing this? Or is this a general bug, or is it not a bug at all? Is there a better place to be asking these questions? Thanks, Ron From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 24 17:14:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E407816A4CE for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:14:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B59243D1D for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:14:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:14:40 -0600 Message-ID: <41A4C161.70206@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:14:09 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20041023 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Fletcher References: <419F962C.3030103@optonline.net> <41A42BA4.7010804@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <41A42BA4.7010804@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Nov 2004 17:14:49.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A697160:01C4D249] cc: bsdfsse cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any thoughts on fanless PC from "Cappuccino PC" ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:14:59 -0000 John Fletcher wrote: > > Mini-itx.com has a bunch of ideas for diy or pre-built silent > and near-silent PC's as well. Might even get you back > interested in a special geeky diy project! > > A bunch of folks on mini-itx.com run linux on their > VIA PC's (the main processor for the mini-itx board, > though you can get P4s and Celerons too), but I haven't > yet heard of a FreeBSD install. Maybe you could give > some advice to the rest of us if you go that route - I've > been quite curious to know if FreeBSD would run > smoothly on those little PCs myself. Performance > isn't really an issue for me, to be honest. Silence > is far more important to me. > > John FreeBSD runs real well on these chips as well. I got a real kick out of this one, but it's obviously aimed at "performance" rather than "silence": http://members.verizon.net/~vze24qhw/mini_c~2.jpg http://members.verizon.net/~vze24qhw/howto.html Mr. Gardner says "it caused quite a stir" at the very site (mini-itx.com) you mention when he posted linkage there. Probably it's as quiet as my 2U rackmount Athlon (that I'm currently using as a desktop). :-D Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 25 11:32:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4740A16A4CE for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:32:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51D443D3F for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:32:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aentgood@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so503740wra for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 03:32:01 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=k22VgebqB46OCZ/O2NTvzdDq1kX8KNjyjcGsLYG7vzsZCu7j1YbNWt8MQUDfbuqyw6BygdjKLdFDkv6+XZkZzfgKryjaUUeLOWNiJmGiYxjeeO5SiRC62cxljCfmpRaJhUtEsIzUUxuCTY4LNMVLqOywj5owju4QLpco5LCSl04= Received: by 10.54.46.2 with SMTP id t2mr195982wrt; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 03:32:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.27.45 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 03:32:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7603e5d804112503321214f0b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:32:01 +0100 From: Wouter van Rooij To: Ron Gilbert , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Subject: Re: periodic 800.loginfail problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Wouter van Rooij List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:32:02 -0000 I think you can better ask this in freebsd-bugs or freebsd-hackers maillinglist. I will look if i can fix this problem... Wouter van Rooij From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 25 22:10:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F7816A4CE for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:10:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lakermmtao09.cox.net (lakermmtao09.cox.net [68.230.240.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A94043D45 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:10:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from dolphin.local.net ([68.11.30.24]) by lakermmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20041125221028.BJO26764.lakermmtao09.cox.net@dolphin.local.net>; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:10:28 -0500 Received: from dolphin.local.net (localhost.local.net [127.0.0.1]) by dolphin.local.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iAPMAR2s073678; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 16:10:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads@dolphin.local.net) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by dolphin.local.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iAPMAMWU073677; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 16:10:22 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads) From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: Ron Gilbert In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Evolution-Format: text/plain X-Evolution-Account: conrads@cox.net X-Evolution-Transport: smtp://conrads@localhost X-Evolution-Fcc: email://local@local/Sent Organization: A Rag-Tag Band of Drug-Crazed Hippies X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:11:00 -0600 Message-Id: <1101402660.63632.3.camel@dolphin.local.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Evolution: 00000008-0010 cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: periodic 800.loginfail problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: conrads@cox.net List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:10:30 -0000 On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 07:32 -0800, Ron Gilbert wrote: > The script /etc/periodic/security/800.loginfail seems to have some > problems, or something else on my system is interfering with it. > > The problem seems to be the catmsgs() function returns the contents of > the auth.log file without any EOL's, so the following grep: > > grep -ia "^$yesterday.*(fail|illegal user)" > > fails due to the ^ anchor condition never being met. > > Is there something set on my system that is causing this? Or is this a > general bug, or is it not a bug at all? > > Is there a better place to be asking these questions? > > Thanks, Ron What version of FreeBSD are you running, and which revision of the script are you using? Mine here (under 6.0-CURRENT) shows: # $FreeBSD: src/etc/periodic/security/800.loginfail,v 1.5 2003/01/05 21:32:50 se Exp $ The line I assume you're referring to differs in this version from what you're showing: n=$(catmsgs | grep -ia "^$yesterday.*fail" | tee /dev/stderr | wc -l) And it seems to be working just fine. -- Conrad J. Sabatier -- conrads@cox.net -- "In Unix veritas" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 26 14:45:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9836316A4CE for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:45:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7FE43D41 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:45:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dvanallen@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 37so562587wra for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 06:45:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LjxZzr0+uKzn2dKUPdAnZgjjlRcW8kEf+drGo+mpxYtWoSigGe7tsJedL/6HCxc6KVMzg9A24kmjpW4/hElfFGTYg2zqKkDt/5g2R1aWNOoPGINU7MmeKhrOTSGhab7uojIn9GPLGO/MolYnjFmqZx03e4P3uS/a0rpixbJcPY0= Received: by 10.54.25.38 with SMTP id 38mr1052755wry; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 06:45:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.48.74 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 06:45:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2063a95c041126064548b30f68@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:45:14 -0500 From: Doug Van Allen To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: How do you reply to a tread? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Doug Van Allen List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:45:15 -0000 Everytime I try to answer someones question or respond to someone in my thread, it doesn't go under the original. Instead it is crated as a new seperate thread. I read some FAQ about it and all I could have been doing wrong was not adding RE in the subject. I have been doing that anyways. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 26 17:32:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A8616A4CE for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:32:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from badcomputer.no-ip.com (S01060040f45d7610.ok.shawcable.net [24.66.229.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A8843D68 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:32:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bulliver@badcomputer.no-ip.com) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (helo=virgo.badcomputer.org) by badcomputer.no-ip.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CXjxm-0004oK-0B for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:32:54 -0800 From: Darren Kirby To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:33:42 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <2063a95c041126064548b30f68@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2063a95c041126064548b30f68@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200411260933.42251.bulliver@badcomputer.no-ip.com> Subject: Re: How do you reply to a tread? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: bulliver@badcomputer.no-ip.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:32:58 -0000 quoth the Doug Van Allen: > Everytime I try to answer someones question or respond to someone in > my thread, it doesn't go under the original. Instead it is crated as > a new seperate thread. I read some FAQ about it and all I could have > been doing wrong was not adding RE in the subject. I have been doing > that anyways. I think it is dependant on your mailer software. Personally I use kmail, which has an option for mailing lists - to respond to the mailing list by default rather than the original poster. Have a look at the options in your mailer and see if there isn't something similar. -d -- Darren Kirby :: Part of the problem since 1976 :: http://badcomputer.org "...the number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected..." - Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, June 1972 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 26 18:12:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A0616A4CE for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:12:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.rdsnet.ro (smtp.rdsnet.ro [62.231.74.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDCF43D1F for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:12:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: (qmail 9988 invoked by uid 89); 26 Nov 2004 18:15:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.tecnik93.com) (81.196.204.98) by 0 with SMTP; 26 Nov 2004 18:15:58 -0000 Received: from it.buh.tecnik93.com (localhost.buh.tecnik93.com [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.tecnik93.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CF75F11860; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:12:36 +0200 (EET) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:12:36 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: bulliver@badcomputer.no-ip.com Message-ID: <20041126201236.22ceb146@it.buh.tecnik93.com> In-Reply-To: <200411260933.42251.bulliver@badcomputer.no-ip.com> References: <2063a95c041126064548b30f68@mail.gmail.com> <200411260933.42251.bulliver@badcomputer.no-ip.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12b (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do you reply to a tread? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:12:41 -0000 On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:33:42 -0800 Darren Kirby wrote: > quoth the Doug Van Allen: > > Everytime I try to answer someones question or respond to someone in > > my thread, it doesn't go under the original. Instead it is crated as > > a new seperate thread. I read some FAQ about it and all I could have > > been doing wrong was not adding RE in the subject. I have been doing > > that anyways. > > I think it is dependant on your mailer software. Personally I use kmail, which > has an option for mailing lists - to respond to the mailing list by default > rather than the original poster. > > Have a look at the options in your mailer and see if there isn't something > similar. Each mail message is supposed to have a unique message id. Yours (Doug) has: > Message-ID: <2063a95c041126064548b30f68@mail.gmail.com> When you reply the MUA should put that ID into a header like Darren's does: > In-Reply-To: <2063a95c041126064548b30f68@mail.gmail.com> and references, like below. My email will have > In-Reply-To <200411260933.42251.bulliver@badcomputer.no-ip.com> (Darren's msg id) and both Darren's and yours as references: > References: <2063a95c041126064548b30f68@mail.gmail.com> <200411260933.42251.bulliver@badcomputer.no-ip.com> Etc. Now your MUA should look at those and make up the threads. Check the headers and see if your MUA generates the In-Reply-To and References; if not there's the problem and it breaks threading for everyone; if it does, then it's only a local display problem. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 26 19:10:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744AA16A4CE for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:10:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEDA43D5F for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:10:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iAQJAIoU030976 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:10:18 GMT (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iAQJAHOs030945 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:10:17 GMT (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:10:17 GMT From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200411261910.iAQJAHOs030945@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:10:18 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 27 02:31:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A726216A4CE for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 02:31:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.efacilitas.de (efacilitas.de [213.133.110.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE2743D1F for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 02:31:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bkoenig@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from mail.alpha-tierchen.de (port-212-202-169-228.dynamic.qsc.de [212.202.169.228]) by mail.efacilitas.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB16123960; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 03:30:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost.local [127.0.0.1]) by mail.alpha-tierchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F187E6273; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 03:30:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.alpha-tierchen.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.efacilitas.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 44527-08; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 03:30:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from alpha (alpha.local [192.168.1.2]) by mail.alpha-tierchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF6A6272; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 03:30:53 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?B?QmrDtnJuIEvDtm5pZw==?= To: "'munn'" Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 03:31:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <41A7C9DE.1070302@umd.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTUGKGtNgAmQsZvRHCr+w9IrUxB9gADXBxw Message-Id: <20041127023053.8CF6A6272@mail.alpha-tierchen.de> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at alpha-tierchen.de cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Multiple Network Cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 02:31:13 -0000 Robert Munn wrote: > The first card has an address 192.168.123.99 (xl0). The second > card has the address 192.168.123.98 (fpx0). [It doesn't work. Why?] I guess that you configured these two NICs with the same subnet mask, in = this case 255.255.255.0. It won't work as long as you don't configure = this machine as a network bridge (see [1]). Another way would be to use = IPs of different subnets, e.g. 192.168.123.X and 192.168.124.X, both = with 255.255.255.0; but you might have to care for routing between these = subnets. [1] http://www.freebsd.org/doc/de/books/handbook/network-bridging.html By the way, this topic doesn't belong to the -STABLE mailing list. Regards Bj=C3=B6rn From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 27 17:13:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57ACE16A4CE for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:13:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.nerdshack.com (mail.nerdshack.com [206.123.69.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F2B43D3F for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:13:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alfredoj69@nerdshack.com) Received: from [192.168.2.102] (CPE0004e24debd1-CM000a73660589.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [70.24.136.165]) by mail.nerdshack.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E308BC003 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:13:08 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <41A8B598.20501@nerdshack.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:12:56 -0500 From: alfredob perez User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (Windows/20040626) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Web sites X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:13:11 -0000 Hello I just want to ask the list for web sites to learn freebsd. I am interested also on those that can explain how to make a FTP and Firewall machine. Thanks From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 27 18:13:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D19516A4CE for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:13:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C128943D3F for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:13:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ml-freebsd-newbies@codepad.net) Received: from [80.229.159.44] (helo=[192.168.0.4]) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CY74M-000L5s-KG for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:13:14 +0000 From: Xian To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:13:07 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <41A8B598.20501@nerdshack.com> In-Reply-To: <41A8B598.20501@nerdshack.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200411271813.07694.ml-freebsd-newbies@codepad.net> Subject: Re: Web sites X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:13:21 -0000 On Saturday 27 November 2004 17:12, alfredob perez wrote: > Hello > > I just want to ask the list for web sites to learn freebsd. I am > interested also on those that can explain how to make a FTP and Firewall > machine. > > Thanks I recommend pure-ftp (pureftpd.org) for an ftp server. FreeBSD comes with a firewall called ipfw. The handbook (http://freebsd.org/doc/handbook) is a good place to learn about FreeBSD - its explained everything I've needed to know. -- /Xian "Go the extra mile. It makes your boss look like an incompetent slacker" unknown author From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 27 19:24:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DAF816A4CE for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:24:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lakermmtao09.cox.net (lakermmtao09.cox.net [68.230.240.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAEB743D5D for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:24:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from dolphin.local.net ([68.11.30.24]) by lakermmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP <20041127192406.CZGE16487.lakermmtao09.cox.net@dolphin.local.net>; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 14:24:06 -0500 Received: from dolphin.local.net (localhost.local.net [127.0.0.1]) by dolphin.local.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id iARJO5Iv076135; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 13:24:05 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 13:24:00 -0600 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: Doug Van Allen Message-ID: <20041127132400.5a114823@dolphin.local.net> In-Reply-To: <2063a95c041126064548b30f68@mail.gmail.com> References: <2063a95c041126064548b30f68@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12b (GTK+ 1.2.10; amd64-portbld-freebsd6.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do you reply to a tread? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:24:07 -0000 On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:45:14 -0500, Doug Van Allen wrote: > Everytime I try to answer someones question or respond to someone in > my thread, it doesn't go under the original. Instead it is crated as > a new seperate thread. I read some FAQ about it and all I could have > been doing wrong was not adding RE in the subject. I have been doing > that anyways. If you're posting through gmail, then sorry, I can't help you, as I'm totally unfamiliar with the user interface. What mailer are you using exactly? Any decent e-mail client should automatically handle replying to messages, and keeping the display of the list of messages in a nice, threaded order. Some suggested e-mail clients: GUI: sylpheed/sylpheed-claws, evolution, xfmail Text: mutt, pine Reply with more details re: your setup and perhaps we can find a solution to your problem. Incidentally, questions of this sort are better directed to the freebsd-questions mailing list. :-) -- Conrad J. Sabatier -- "In Unix veritas" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 27 20:41:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF82F16A4CE for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:41:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FDB943D58 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:41:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dvanallen@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so572426wri for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:41:59 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=fFMfpeGoXxfivywl94vo5JngegoV1AVSMLF8LSxC5ge3/PUmLDwlZAnLPRFrftuHy+12PtECo0OXG6B3yCRXpVnm1kkMyzGva67LGwTgqAB7XEUtYFnvZnDhxS+uU90omvpnMoHWTQzE28nVH1tBq4wr+tU3SU0ef7Y1aTOh1g8= Received: by 10.54.53.79 with SMTP id b79mr1894190wra; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:41:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.48.74 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:41:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2063a95c04112712413693658f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:41:58 -0500 From: Doug Van Allen To: "Conrad J. Sabatier" , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20041127132400.5a114823@dolphin.local.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <2063a95c041126064548b30f68@mail.gmail.com> <20041127132400.5a114823@dolphin.local.net> Subject: Re: How do you reply to a tread? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Doug Van Allen List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:42:00 -0000 On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 13:24:00 -0600, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:45:14 -0500, Doug Van Allen > wrote: > > > Everytime I try to answer someones question or respond to someone in > > my thread, it doesn't go under the original. Instead it is crated as > > a new seperate thread. I read some FAQ about it and all I could have > > been doing wrong was not adding RE in the subject. I have been doing > > that anyways. > > If you're posting through gmail, then sorry, I can't help you, as I'm > totally unfamiliar with the user interface. > > What mailer are you using exactly? > > Any decent e-mail client should automatically handle replying to > messages, and keeping the display of the list of messages in a nice, > threaded order. > > Some suggested e-mail clients: > > GUI: sylpheed/sylpheed-claws, evolution, xfmail > > Text: mutt, pine > > Reply with more details re: your setup and perhaps we can find a > solution to your problem. > > Incidentally, questions of this sort are better directed to the > freebsd-questions mailing list. :-) > > -- > Conrad J. Sabatier -- "In Unix veritas" I think I was just replying to to the forum and not the poster as well.