From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 12 00:38:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B8E816A4CE for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:38:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from orexovo.mail.pike.ru (orexovo.mail.pike.ru [194.135.59.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0578743D1F for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:38:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vitka@orexovo.net) Received: (qmail 62696 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 00:36:32 -0000 Received: from vitka.orexovo.pike (10.106.73.31) by orexovo.mail.pike.ru with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 00:36:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 03:35:51 +0300 From: vitka X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.10.03) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1783655551.20041212033551@orexovo.net> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Sendmail X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: vitka List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:38:28 -0000 Hello freebsd-newbies, I'm using default FreeBSD 4.10 Sendmail as MTA. What settings/access rights/whatever should I check to prevent my box being open relay aka spamfest? -- Best regards, vitka mailto:vitka@orexovo.net From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 12 08:07:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D10A16A4CE; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:07:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7159143D2F; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:07:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E97585B; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:10:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29675-03; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:10:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 419EA5854; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:10:02 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20041212081002.419EA5854@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:10:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2004-11-21 - 2004-12-11 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:07:12 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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These are the articles posted during this period: 6-Dec : Secure Your Wireless with IPsec WEP just isn't enough for me http://freebsddiary.org/ipsec-wireless.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 12 13:57:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0040716A4CE for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:57:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp19.wxs.nl (smtp19.wxs.nl [195.121.6.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5FE43D5D for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:57:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kiffin.gish@planet.nl) Received: from ZGISH (ip3e833f72.speed.planet.nl [62.131.63.114]) by smtp19.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I8M00KUL441L5@smtp19.wxs.nl> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:57:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:57:37 +0100 From: Kiffin Gish To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <000001c4e052$8a046360$9900000a@ZGISH> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_DmwKwCozzqhIlgn+9cmeEQ)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 00000000DA18B7C9E0C09641B844D919507EA01684B23C00 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Root directory filling up... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:57:39 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_DmwKwCozzqhIlgn+9cmeEQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I recently decided to dump windows and take a much deserved breather with FreeBSD. So I installed 5.3 and was in for a real treat! However, I created a /-directory with 4G and installed the complete ports stuff from the CD. Now my root directory is almost filled up (after I installed all the Gnome Desktop stuff). I always do a make clean. Is there an easier way to only keep the ports stuff that is 'really' required? I noticed that there are tons of tarballs etc. in the /usr/ports/distfiles directory. Is it safe to delete all of these? Are there any other suggestions to keep my root directory from filling up? -- Kiffin Rex Gish Gouda, The Netherlands --Boundary_(ID_DmwKwCozzqhIlgn+9cmeEQ)-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 12 17:29:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1AD216A4CE for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:29:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from heisenberg.zen.co.uk (heisenberg.zen.co.uk [212.23.3.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1862A43D5E for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:29:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@seagul.co.uk) Received: from [62.3.120.198] (helo=SEAGUL03) by heisenberg.zen.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CdXX0-0000qc-5W for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:29:14 +0000 From: "Chris Roos" To: Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:29:06 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Originating-Heisenberg-IP: [62.3.120.198] Subject: Syslog remote logging problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: chris@seagul.co.uk List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:29:15 -0000 Hi, I have spent quite some time today trying to get my Netgear DG834 ADSL Router to log it's syslog messages to syslogd running on FreeBSD 5.3R. The first step was to check that the syslog messages were arriving at the FreeBSD box by using tcpdump with a filter for udp packets. This confirmed that the packets were being 'seen' by the FreeBSD box. The next step was to set-up a rule in syslog.conf to log all data from the router to /var/log/router.log. This is where the first problems appeared. Initially, I added the following to the end of syslog.conf +router *.* /var/log/router.log As this entry was below the program entries for ppp and startslip, and having read the man pages, I gather that syslog was now set-up to log from router only entries matching the above programs (due to the cascading nature of the syslog.conf rules). I moved the router definition to above the program entries and verified that the log file was being populated. I read in the man pages that to cancel a program or hostname rule within the syslog.conf file use '*', however I have not been able to get this to work correctly. I have tried the following at the end of the file (before moving the router definition to above the ppp and startslip program entries to enable it to work correctly) with no success. * +router *.* /var/log/router.log and *+router *.* /var/log/router.log I would like to know the correct format of this so that I can be sure that I am logging everything I should be. In addition to the above, I am having problems starting the syslogd daemon using the -a flag. If I try to start syslogd with any of the following options, I do not get the remote logs from router (IP address 192.168.3.20) -a 192.168.3.20 -a 192.168.3.20/16 -a 192.168.3.20/255.255.255.0 -a 192.168.3.20:'*' -a 192.168.3.20/16:'*' -a 192.168.3.20/255.255.255.0:'*' I am currently running syslogd with no parameters which allows me to log from the remote host correctly but I would much prefer if I could allow only the remote host that I want to log from. Any help on either of these points would be greatly appreaciated. Chris --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release Date: 09/12/2004 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 12 17:37:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C67BD16A4CE for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:37:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92.asp.att.net [63.240.76.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7083843D39 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:37:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92) with ESMTP id <20041212173725i92002an78e>; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:37:25 +0000 Message-ID: <41BC81CF.1000201@nbritton.org> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:37:19 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <000001c4e052$8a046360$9900000a@ZGISH> In-Reply-To: <000001c4e052$8a046360$9900000a@ZGISH> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Root directory filling up... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:37:26 -0000 Kiffin Gish wrote: >I recently decided to dump windows and take a much deserved breather with >FreeBSD. So I installed 5.3 and was in for a real treat! > >However, I created a /-directory with 4G and installed the complete ports >stuff from the CD. Now my root directory is almost filled up (after I >installed all the Gnome Desktop stuff). > >I always do a make clean. Is there an easier way to only keep the ports >stuff that is 'really' required? > >I noticed that there are tons of tarballs etc. in the /usr/ports/distfiles >directory. Is it safe to delete all of these? > >Are there any other suggestions to keep my root directory from filling up? > > > What do you mean / is filling up? the default during install is to make 5 partitions /, Swap, /tmp, /var, and /usr. See mine for example: Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad0s1a 739M 64M 616M 9% / devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev /dev/ad0s1e 739M 15M 665M 2% /tmp /dev/ad0s1f 69G 25G 38G 40% /usr /dev/ad0s1d 739M 59M 621M 9% /var /dev/ad1s1 28G 24G 3.8G 86% /mnt linprocfs 4.0K 4.0K 0B 100% /usr/compat/linux/proc The most you should need for / is 128MB (I think that is default during install) please sent the output of these commands "df -h", "more /etc/fstab", and "disklabel ad0s1" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 12 18:05:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C7D516A4CE for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:05:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D609C43D45 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:05:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with ESMTP id <20041212180529i9100rfo6ee>; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:05:30 +0000 Message-ID: <41BC8863.3080403@nbritton.org> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:05:23 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kiffin Gish References: <000001c4e052$8a046360$9900000a@ZGISH> In-Reply-To: <000001c4e052$8a046360$9900000a@ZGISH> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Root directory filling up... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:05:31 -0000 Kiffin Gish wrote: >I recently decided to dump windows and take a much deserved breather with >FreeBSD. So I installed 5.3 and was in for a real treat! > > Great!, I too have finally switched my main workstation (about 1 month ago) from Win2K to FreeBSD 5.3, at the console I feel at home (was a DOS guy before windows) but I feel like a fish out of water with gnome/kde/xfce, Is there anything that emulates the feel of the Win2K wiget set (not XP, ick) and Windows Explorer File Manager?, also, I miss my Winamp 5 (loved the Internet Radio part the of Media Library and I used Explorers List view to manage my music), XMMS, Rhythmbox, and Nautilus just don't do it for me. >However, I created a /-directory with 4G and installed the complete ports >stuff from the CD. Now my root directory is almost filled up (after I >installed all the Gnome Desktop stuff). > >I always do a make clean. Is there an easier way to only keep the ports >stuff that is 'really' required? > > use "portsclean -CDD" you need to have portupdate installed as this is a tool of that package, you could also try the -L and -P flags for more cleaning (read the man page before using these flags). >I noticed that there are tons of tarballs etc. in the /usr/ports/distfiles >directory. Is it safe to delete all of these? > > Again, "portsclean -CDD with purge all the tarballs that arn't used / installed but you could delete everthing in there if your really short on space. >Are there any other suggestions to keep my root directory from filling up? > > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 13 04:48:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3604516A4CE for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 04:48:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D525343D1F for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 04:48:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rskennan@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z35so610407rne for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:48:55 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=aXkTGm9ryfag5l2JUi8XIa22/XMhQhVnX+hZ2516wtYh+H4+9Cka0NnkaWKjWKE59tEcY75rX36zwYBX7wDIedAB/Ddc3U35vdDJbtX0dnzdIywU4xCu8FkQrEJBXQ6lDEDVUJ+pH+fgFeV2FeNxakPgVLWJPBAEQH5ndWhxLLQ= Received: by 10.38.75.31 with SMTP id x31mr670279rna; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:48:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.126.66 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:48:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:48:55 -0500 From: "R. Scott Kennan" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Home Network, step by step? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: "R. Scott Kennan" List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 04:48:56 -0000 Hey everyone, this is my first post. I'm a freebsd Newbie who really doesn't know much at all yet, so please excuse my probably lame question. At any rate, I need to network two computers- my BSD box, and one running Mandrake Linux 9.2 (for now). I also need to share my internet connection. Actually the internet connection sharing is more important. What steps do I need to take? All the pages I've brought up seem to assume some prior knowledge of both networking and/or Unix (I have absoultely none), and I apparently don't even know enough to recognise the information in the FreeBSD handbook. I installed FreeBSD to learn, but I'm totally lost in this matter. If anyone can help me, or tell me to RTFM (as long as you point out the manual) I'd appreciate it. Once again, Sorry for the dumb question. Thanks. -R. Scott Kennan From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 13 05:19:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FEA516A4CE for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:19:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts20.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B2143D2F for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:19:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from j.telford@sympatico.ca) Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([65.94.51.10]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net ESMTP <20041213051940.TTXV2034.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.0.10]> for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 00:19:40 -0500 Message-ID: <41BD2AE7.6030900@sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 00:38:47 -0500 From: John User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <41AD0BDE.7090207@satx.rr.com> <41AD4233.9090309@daleco.biz> <41AD5B8E.90707@sympatico.ca> <41AEA953.60205@sympatico.ca> In-Reply-To: <41AEA953.60205@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Java port X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:19:42 -0000 Update: December 12, 2004, The jdk146 port has been updated and is no longer forbidden and I successfully upgraded from jdk1.4.2p6_6 in the following way: As of Dec 12, 2004 - this may change tomorrow or in the next 10 minutes, such is the nature of ports ;) - cvsup all ports. - installed portupgrade port, check it's man page for proper use and cautions. - loaded linprococfs which was required on the first build. # kldload linprocfs # mount -t linprocfs linprocfs /compat/linux/proc - get the proper port name with 'portversion', first time may take a while and may fail on error. see note on portupgrade at freshports.org for solution. # portversion -v - run portupgrade, i prefer to do just jdk by itself to see how it goes. I had not removed the files from the /usr/ports/distfiles and used the same jdk and bsd patch files. Earlier jdk versions will require downloads first. # portupgrade -v -l Everything compiled fine and I did not hit the 'hotspot' error as in the first build. - I then upgrade the rest of the of the outdated ports with: # portupgrade -arR -l Thats your choice of course. John wrote: > My notes are below and are current only to November 28, 2004. > FreeBSD 4.10 jdk142 >> I have notes on all this from the build i just finished at the office >> and will post. >> Tip #1 >> You can only use "make minimal=YES" on the current port <= that case >> may be backwards. Due to the java security bug found last week. >> Update all ports first - it has a lot of dependents. >> This is a brutal build, takes hours on the fastest dual box, my notes >> will help save you some trouble hopefully. Anyone know a faster way to >> get jdk on a freebsd box ? >> J >> > > Building java jdk142 from ports. > > Update all ports first – it has a lot of dependents. > If building remotely install 'screen' from ports. It will allow you to > attach detach from the session. Warning do not pkg_add screen, it has a > race problem. > > > The build will ask you for required files to be downloaded to > /usr/ports/distfiles, these are from a build on Nov 28, 2004. Update > ports and check the Makefile for changes or do the make and grab the > files as they come up. > > From http://www.eyesbeyond.com/freebsddom/java/JDK14SCSLConfirm.html > you need the FreeBSD Patchset. > bsd-jdk14-patches-6.tar.gz > > From Sun download: > j2sdk-1_4_2-bin-scsl.zip > j2sdk-1_4_2-src-scsl.zip > j2sdk-1_4_2_06-linux-i586.bin > > > make MINIMAL=yes install to avoid JAVA vulnerability, that currently > exists on Nov 28, 2004. You won't get the Browser plug-in. > > After hours compiling it will probably error on : > > Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM warning: Can't detect initial thread stack > location > /usr/ports/java/jdk14/work/control/build/bsd-i586/gensrc/java/util/CurrencyData.java:1: > 'class' or 'interface' expected > Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM warning: Can't detect initial thread stack > location > > Solution is: > http://groups.google.ca/groups?hl=en&lr=&threadm=mwhQc.246469%24Oq2.107712%40attbi_s52&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26q%3Dfreebsd%2B%27class%27%2Bor%2B%27interface%27%2Bexpected%26btnG%3DSearch > > > "Edit > /usr/ports/java/jdk14/work/control/build/bsd-i586/gensrc/java/util/CurrencyData.java > > > There are two lines, 1st and last, that begin with "Java HotSpot(TM)", > comment > them out with //." > > I only had to comment the first line. > > Restart (it's not from the beginning as long as you have'nt done a 'make > clean' ) you will get the instructions: > > make MINIMAL=yes install > ===> Building for jdk-minimal-1.4.2p6_6 > ERROR: You have to have LINPROCFS mounted before > starting to build of native JDK 1.4.2. > > You may do it by following set of commands: > # kldload linprocfs > and > # mount -t linprocfs linprocfs /compat/linux/proc > *** Error code 1 > Stop in /usr/ports/java/jdk14. > > So do that: > server01# kldload linprocfs > server01# mount -t linprocfs linprocfs /compat/linux/proc > > Load and continue compiling. > It should now complete fairly quick. > > Regards, John. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 13 05:23:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71BCA16A4CE for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:23:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from jail.idea-anvil.net (idea-anvil.net [63.226.12.96]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC83A43D53 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:23:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from james@idea-anvil.net) Received: from mail.Idea-Anvil.net (vaio [10.0.0.99]) by jail.idea-anvil.net (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBD5NpM6065648 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:23:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from james@idea-anvil.net) From: James Organization: Jhai To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:23:25 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200412122223.25589.james@idea-anvil.net> Subject: Re: Home Network, step by step? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:23:36 -0000 Hi , > At any rate, I need to network two computers- my BSD box, and one > running Mandrake Linux 9.2 (for now). I also need to share my > internet connection. Actually the internet connection sharing is more > important. More details on how your currently connected would be needed. Are you using a DSL/Cable gateway? Dial up? etc.. - James From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 13 05:33:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF1416A4CE for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:33:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from badcomputer.org (S01060040f4399d90.ok.shawcable.net [24.66.229.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC0743D2F for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:33:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bulliver@badcomputer.org) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (helo=virgo.badcomputer.org) by badcomputer.org with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Cdips-0005xi-M5 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:33:28 -0800 From: darren kirby Organization: Badcomputer Org. To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:33:12 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1736204.Ge4mWq6Bu6"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412122133.18467.bulliver@badcomputer.org> Subject: Re: Home Network, step by step? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: bulliver@badcomputer.org List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:33:14 -0000 --nextPart1736204.Ge4mWq6Bu6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline quoth the R. Scott Kennan: > Hey everyone, this is my first post. I'm a freebsd Newbie who really > doesn't know much at all yet, so please excuse my probably lame > question. > > At any rate, I need to network two computers- my BSD box, and one > running Mandrake Linux 9.2 (for now). I also need to share my > internet connection. Actually the internet connection sharing is more > important. What steps do I need to take? All the pages I've brought up > seem to assume some prior knowledge of both networking and/or Unix (I > have absoultely none), and I apparently don't even know enough to > recognise the information in the FreeBSD handbook. I installed FreeBSD > to learn, but I'm totally lost in this matter. > > If anyone can help me, or tell me to RTFM (as long as you point out > the manual) I'd appreciate it. Once again, Sorry for the dumb > question. Thanks. > > -R. Scott Kennan There are a couple ways you can accomplish this. First, and easiest, is sim= ply=20 to go to your local big-block computer store and purchase yourself a switch= =2E=20 These can be had for ~$50 Plug the switch into your =20 and plug your two boxes into the switch. Configure them both to obtain an I= P=20 using dhcp. Your done. In this example is=20 presumably a cable or adsl modem. You need to explain how you access the=20 internet. The second, and more educational way is to equip and configure either your= =20 freebsd or linux box to do NAT/Masq. This will require you to have two=20 ethernet cards in the router. Essentially you are just daisy chaining the=20 computers physically in this example. As for setup of the NAT, I only know= =20 how to do this on linux myself, so I hope someone more knowlegable can poin= t=20 us _both_ to some docs on NAT/Masq on freebsd.=20 =2Dd =2D-=20 darren kirby :: Part of the problem since 1976 :: http://badcomputer.org "...the number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected..." =2D Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, June 1972 --nextPart1736204.Ge4mWq6Bu6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBvSmewPD5Cr/3CJgRAvclAKD265qDaVJpuI3am5ba/yUsObQwOACgvrbq g+xIjGUMswllD/iWiTjSriY= =rqdl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1736204.Ge4mWq6Bu6-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 13 05:58:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3057316A4CE for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:58:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asclepius.uwa.edu.au (asclepius3.uwa.edu.au [130.95.128.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B78243D46 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:58:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from zanchey@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Received: from asclepius.kas (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asclepius.uwa.edu.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A3E71843F3 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:58:36 +0800 (WST) Received: from asclepius (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asclepius.prekas (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A0241843ED for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:58:36 +0800 (WST) X-UWA-Client-IP: 130.95.13.9 (UWA) Received: from mooneye.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mooneye.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [130.95.13.9]) by asclepius.input (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52820183B9B for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:58:36 +0800 (WST) Received: by mooneye.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Postfix, from userid 801) id 6C16C17F18; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:58:35 +0800 (WST) Received: from mussel (mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [130.95.13.18]) by mooneye.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A53D17E17; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:58:35 +0800 (WST) Received: from zanchey (helo=localhost) by mussel with local-esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CdjEA-0007SS-00; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:58:34 +0800 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:58:34 +0800 (WST) From: David Adam To: darren kirby In-Reply-To: <200412122133.18467.bulliver@badcomputer.org> Message-ID: References: <200412122133.18467.bulliver@badcomputer.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: David Adam X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: Formal (172/041212) X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: Detect Hard [UCS 290904] X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: SysLog X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: Marking Spam - Subject (UCS) [02-08-04] X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 2.0.0 [0125], KAS/Release cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Home Network, step by step? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:58:44 -0000 On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, darren kirby wrote: > There are a couple ways you can accomplish this. First, and easiest, is simply > to go to your local big-block computer store and purchase yourself a switch. > These can be had for ~$50 Plug the switch into your > and plug your two boxes into the switch. Configure them both to obtain an IP > using dhcp. Your done. In this example is > presumably a cable or adsl modem. You need to explain how you access the > internet. Darren, This will not always work. Case in point: The SB5100 Cable Modem. It's just a bridge device. > The second, and more educational way is to equip and configure either your > freebsd or linux box to do NAT/Masq. This will require you to have two > ethernet cards in the router. Essentially you are just daisy chaining the > computers physically in this example. As for setup of the NAT, I only know > how to do this on linux myself, so I hope someone more knowlegable can point > us _both_ to some docs on NAT/Masq on freebsd. To do NAT/IP Masquerading, you're probably best off in the long run learning how to use one of FreeBSD's fine packet-filtering firewalls: the relatively new (to FreeBSD) OpenBSD's pf or the somewhat older ipf. I recommend pf - it works very well for me. The FreeBSD Handbook contains information on firewalls: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls.html The pf section is short and sweet to get you up and running with pf: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls-pf.html I hope that helps you. (And finally, freebsd-newbies is the WRONG LIST for these queries.) Cheers, David Adam --- zanchey@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 13 06:23:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2729716A4CE for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 06:23:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from badcomputer.org (S01060040f4399d90.ok.shawcable.net [24.66.229.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC1C43D1D for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 06:23:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bulliver@badcomputer.org) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (helo=virgo.badcomputer.org) by badcomputer.org with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Cdjcj-00013Q-Nv for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:23:57 -0800 From: darren kirby Organization: Badcomputer Org. To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:23:39 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200412122133.18467.bulliver@badcomputer.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart5971925.5rHjbil5Bg"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412122223.47056.bulliver@badcomputer.org> Subject: Re: Home Network, step by step? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: bulliver@badcomputer.org List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 06:23:42 -0000 --nextPart5971925.5rHjbil5Bg Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline quoth the David Adam: > Darren, > > This will not always work. Case in point: The SB5100 Cable Modem. It's > just a bridge device. > Showing my ignorance here. The switch I bought works like this, so I=20 extrapolated this feature to all switches... > To do NAT/IP Masquerading, you're probably best off in the long run > learning how to use one of FreeBSD's fine packet-filtering firewalls: > the relatively new (to FreeBSD) OpenBSD's pf or the somewhat older ipf. I > recommend pf - it works very well for me. > > The FreeBSD Handbook contains information on firewalls: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls.html > The pf section is short and sweet to get you up and running with pf: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls-pf.ht= ml > > I hope that helps you. > > (And finally, freebsd-newbies is the WRONG LIST for these queries.) I was trying to give a general answer to the original poster in attempt to= =20 obtain more details from him, I didn't intend to ask questions...my saying = we=20 both needed docs was just an off-hand remark, as freebsd firewalls are=20 something I will have to learn soon. I appreciate the links. I followed the= m=20 to the pf guide at openbsd.org, looks straitforward enough. Unfortunately m= y=20 freebsd box is set up as a NATed client right now, so I don't have a method= =20 for actually setting it up in practice. =20 > Cheers, > > David Adam > --- > zanchey@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au =2Dd PS: sorry for double post, I'm not sure why it did that. =2D-=20 darren kirby :: Part of the problem since 1976 :: http://badcomputer.org "...the number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected..." =2D Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, June 1972 --nextPart5971925.5rHjbil5Bg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBvTVzwPD5Cr/3CJgRAvN6AKCh9zxV8yjwBrarfielRqupJikhAQCgnBdq lWeq07IhdDcCZgDoesCFE7M= =OO3H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart5971925.5rHjbil5Bg-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 13 06:31:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA4516A4CE for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 06:31:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.stv.ee (www.stv.ee [212.7.5.251]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E9743D5A for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 06:31:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remi69@weedmail.com) Received: from samsa (213-35-154-94-stl.trt.estpak.ee [213.35.154.94]) by www.stv.ee (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBD6VIQe062134 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:31:19 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from remi69@weedmail.com) Message-Id: <200412130631.iBD6VIQe062134@www.stv.ee> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org From: remi69@weedmail.com Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:31:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "R. Scott Kennan" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2004 16:44:45.0462 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D38BB60:01C4E133] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Home Network, step by step? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:46:48 -0000 R. Scott Kennan wrote: >Hey everyone, this is my first post. I'm a freebsd Newbie who really >doesn't know much at all yet, so please excuse my probably lame >question. > > > Welcome! No question is dumb, per se; it is worse to not ask and remain ignorant, IMHO. The quid pro quo is that it is more appropriate to ask the list on freebsd-questions; I would guess however that you couldn't have known that without reading the list charters, which seems like a bother (but may prove interesting to you later on). It does beg the question, "what's the newb list for", ;-) but that's not relevant to this post. At any rate, the question.... >At any rate, I need to network two computers- my BSD box, and one >running Mandrake Linux 9.2 (for now). I also need to share my >internet connection. Actually the internet connection sharing is more >important. What steps do I need to take? All the pages I've brought up >seem to assume some prior knowledge of both networking and/or Unix (I >have absoultely none), and I apparently don't even know enough to >recognise the information in the FreeBSD handbook. I installed FreeBSD >to learn, but I'm totally lost in this matter. > >If anyone can help me, or tell me to RTFM (as long as you point out >the manual) I'd appreciate it. Once again, Sorry for the dumb >question. Thanks. > >-R. Scott Kennan > Darren K. & others have been pointing you in the right general direction. Using an internet facing **router** instead of a switch would get you up and going with a relatively small investment of cash and even less of RTFM. To do it with no/less cash, (but a counterbalancing investment in time/knowledge gained) you'll need to use one of the computers you already have and NAT. If you use a broadband Inet connection, you'll need to run natd(8) and have a working knowledge of kernel building or kldloading along with familiarity with ipfw(8); if you have a PPP or PPPOE type connection, you may be able to run your ppp with the -nat option, as I do at home (dialup; too many feet out of town here in the sticks....) 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Good luck, and welcome to FreeBSD! Kevin Kinsey *Heck, buy pizza for the family and I'll send ya the Dlink.... :-D From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 13 19:50:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B0716A4CE for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:50:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp19.wxs.nl (smtp19.wxs.nl [195.121.6.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E13F143D4C for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:50:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kiffin.gish@planet.nl) Received: from [10.0.0.153] (ip3e833f72.speed.planet.nl [62.131.63.114]) by smtp19.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I8O0065VF3UT7@smtp19.wxs.nl> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:50:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:50:20 +0100 From: Kiffin Gish In-reply-to: <41BC81CF.1000201@nbritton.org> To: Nikolas Britton Message-id: <41BDF27C.6010807@planet.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (X11/20041212) References: <000001c4e052$8a046360$9900000a@ZGISH> <41BC81CF.1000201@nbritton.org> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Root directory filling up... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kiffin.gish@planet.nl List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:50:20 -0000 Nikolas Britton wrote: > Kiffin Gish wrote: > >> I recently decided to dump windows and take a much deserved breather >> with >> FreeBSD. So I installed 5.3 and was in for a real treat! >> >> However, I created a /-directory with 4G and installed the complete >> ports >> stuff from the CD. Now my root directory is almost filled up (after I >> installed all the Gnome Desktop stuff). >> >> I always do a make clean. Is there an easier way to only keep the ports >> stuff that is 'really' required? >> >> I noticed that there are tons of tarballs etc. in the >> /usr/ports/distfiles >> directory. Is it safe to delete all of these? >> >> Are there any other suggestions to keep my root directory from >> filling up? >> >> >> > What do you mean / is filling up? the default during install is to make > 5 partitions /, Swap, /tmp, /var, and /usr. > > See mine for example: > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/ad0s1a 739M 64M 616M 9% / > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev > /dev/ad0s1e 739M 15M 665M 2% /tmp > /dev/ad0s1f 69G 25G 38G 40% /usr > /dev/ad0s1d 739M 59M 621M 9% /var > /dev/ad1s1 28G 24G 3.8G 86% /mnt > linprocfs 4.0K 4.0K 0B 100% /usr/compat/linux/proc > > The most you should need for / is 128MB (I think that is default during > install) > > > please sent the output of these commands "df -h", "more /etc/fstab", and > "disklabel ad0s1" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > bash-2.05b$ df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad0s4a 3.9G 2.5G 1.1G 70% / devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev /dev/ad0s4d 7.4G 5.9M 6.8G 0% /home This was the recommended setup according to the book The Complete FreeBSD, but now I realize this is probably not the best choice. bash-2.05b$ more /etc/fstab # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/ad0s4b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/ad0s4a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ad0s4d /home ufs rw 2 2 /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 su-2.05b# disklabel ad0s1 disklabel: /dev/ad0s1: no valid label found From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 13 21:37:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BEDB16A4CE for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:37:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from slashmail.org (tux.jeffco.net [205.159.194.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF7443D5A for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:37:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mbeattie@slashmail.org) Received: PENGUIN-Slashmail fromhostname:slashmail.org fromhostip:127.0.0.1 fromhostport:43492 by slashmail.org with protocol:ESMTP id:iBDLbbha023948 for user: time:Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:37:37 -0600 numerictime:200412132137 Received: from 63.73.213.5 (Slashmail.Org authenticated user by slashmail.org with HTTP; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:37:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <50022.63.73.213.5.1102973857.squirrel@63.73.213.5> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:37:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael Beattie" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail X-Mailer: SquirrelMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/533/Sat Oct 16 20:09:44 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on tux X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Ports and Packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: mbeattie@alumni.rutgers.edu List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:37:39 -0000 How well do ports and packages interact? Like if I were to install a package and it goes and downloads all the dependencies that it needs, would it get the packages for dependencies that I previously installed via "make install" in the ports tree? And vice versa? Or is it smart enough to know that it's already installed via the other system? How does it do that? Is there a command or a file or somewhere that I can see a list of all ports and packages installed and maybe how they were put there? I mean pkg_info -a can do that for packages, but what about ports? Or does the port system download, compile, and then create and install a package from source whereas the other system just downloads the same package already compiled? I am just really curious as to how the two seemingly different systems interact with each other. Thanks From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 13 21:53:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6CE16A4CE for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:53:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0014D43D5A for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:53:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:51:18 -0600 Message-ID: <41BE0F64.7060303@daleco.biz> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:53:40 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kiffin.gish@planet.nl References: <000001c4e052$8a046360$9900000a@ZGISH> <41BC81CF.1000201@nbritton.org> <41BDF27C.6010807@planet.nl> In-Reply-To: <41BDF27C.6010807@planet.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2004 21:51:19.0056 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0A87100:01C4E15D] cc: Nikolas Britton cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Root directory filling up... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:53:23 -0000 Kiffin Gish wrote: > Nikolas Britton wrote: > >> Kiffin Gish wrote: >> >>> I recently decided to dump windows and take a much deserved breather >>> with >>> FreeBSD. So I installed 5.3 and was in for a real treat! >>> >>> However, I created a /-directory with 4G and installed the complete >>> ports >>> stuff from the CD. Now my root directory is almost filled up (after I >>> installed all the Gnome Desktop stuff). >>> >>> I always do a make clean. Is there an easier way to only keep the ports >>> stuff that is 'really' required? >>> >>> I noticed that there are tons of tarballs etc. in the >>> /usr/ports/distfiles >>> directory. Is it safe to delete all of these? >>> >>> Are there any other suggestions to keep my root directory from >>> filling up? >>> >> What do you mean / is filling up? the default during install is to make >> 5 partitions /, Swap, /tmp, /var, and /usr. >> >> See mine for example: >> Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on >> /dev/ad0s1a 739M 64M 616M 9% / >> devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev >> /dev/ad0s1e 739M 15M 665M 2% /tmp >> /dev/ad0s1f 69G 25G 38G 40% /usr >> /dev/ad0s1d 739M 59M 621M 9% /var >> /dev/ad1s1 28G 24G 3.8G 86% /mnt >> linprocfs 4.0K 4.0K 0B 100% /usr/compat/linux/proc >> >> The most you should need for / is 128MB (I think that is default during >> install) >> >> >> please sent the output of these commands "df -h", "more /etc/fstab", and >> "disklabel ad0s1" >> > bash-2.05b$ df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/ad0s4a 3.9G 2.5G 1.1G 70% / > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev > /dev/ad0s4d 7.4G 5.9M 6.8G 0% /home > > This was the recommended setup according to the book The Complete > FreeBSD, but now I realize this is probably not the best choice. > > bash-2.05b$ more /etc/fstab > # Device Mountpoint FStype Options > Dump Pass# > /dev/ad0s4b none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/ad0s4a / ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/ad0s4d /home ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 > > su-2.05b# disklabel ad0s1 > disklabel: /dev/ad0s1: no valid label found That would need to be `disklabel /dev/ad0s4`, then. As to the distfiles question, you can safely remove all of them as long as you don't mind downloading them again if, for some reason, something needs to be recompiled. Your real problem is that you've got /tmp (temporary disposable stuff, generally), /var/ (mail, logs, database storage, etc.) and /usr (programs, source, documents, the ports tree, the buildworld target directory, etc), all in your root partition, which is just barely big enough to hold all that stuff unless you do your housekeeping very regularly (and thoroughly). A possible hack, in case you don't wish to backup and reinstall, or learn about growfs(8), [which may be what Nick is getting at by asking for disklabel output]: Move some stuff to your /home partition, and then create symlinks to it from its original location. Some candidates: /tmp, /var/log, /root/, /usr/ports, /usr/src, /usr/obj, /usr/local ... Now, I can't say which would be best; it depends on what's filling up so fast (probably /usr, if you've added X, or really many ports at all) and there might be some security or other issues I'm not aware of, but it's a valid strategy for at least the short term. So, let's say we wanted to move the ports tree and our source tree to /home. As root: # cd /usr # mv ports /home/ # mv src /home/ # ln -s /home/ports ports # ln -s /home/src src Like I said, it's a hack, but it's an available one ;-) Another possibility, though it's possibly more nerve wracking, would be to do something like this: 1. Drop to single user mode in console. 2. Do something like this: change /etc/fstab from: /dev/ad0s4d /home ufs rw 2 2 to: /dev/ad0s4d /usr ufs rw 2 2 Then: #mkdir /home/home #mv /home/* /home/home/ (*note that this will give you one error message, but should still work.) #mv /usr/* /home and then reboot. After rebooting, you will need to make sure that it's possible to get to /usr/home by typing "cd /home", so another symlink would be required. Note that I said, this could be scary --- I don't foresee any potential problems, but if you've never had to recover from a fuzted command using only /bin/sh and the contents of /, it can be a hair-raising experience. Maybe Nick can chime in and say what he thinks; [or someone else --- maybe you should've asked the questions@freebsd.org mailing list, instead of newbies] It might be that growfs isn't that difficult and it is, after all, designed for this purpose. HTH, Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 13 23:24:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5C016A4CE for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:24:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B4C43D1F for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:24:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:22:00 -0600 Message-ID: <41BE24A6.3040808@daleco.biz> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:24:22 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mbeattie@alumni.rutgers.edu References: <50022.63.73.213.5.1102973857.squirrel@63.73.213.5> In-Reply-To: <50022.63.73.213.5.1102973857.squirrel@63.73.213.5> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2004 23:22:01.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C746DC0:01C4E16A] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ports and Packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:24:03 -0000 Michael Beattie wrote: >Or does the port system download, compile, and then create and install >a package from source whereas the other system just downloads the same >package already compiled? > > The only "package" I ever install is cvsup-without-gui, from sysinstall, right after installation. However, `pkg_info` ATM gives me a list of 510 "packages" that are installed (the other 509 came from ports). That's about the size of it. It's more complex, I'm sure, but the build system (out there; is it bento.freebsd.org?) utilizes the ports system to create the packages; so in the end it's not much different, except you can customize the build of a port; packages are just built however Kris (or whoever portmeister is) decides it should be done (not that I'm saying it's a small job, nor am I implying he's responsible for everything that happens, etc., etc.) I wonder if the Porter's Handbook (in the docs) would shed any light for you? Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 14 01:53:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C18416A4CE for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:53:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F3343D5E for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:53:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with ESMTP id <20041214015303i9100rg22je>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:53:04 +0000 Message-ID: <41BE477E.2080202@nbritton.org> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:53:02 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." References: <000001c4e052$8a046360$9900000a@ZGISH> <41BC81CF.1000201@nbritton.org> <41BDF27C.6010807@planet.nl> <41BE0F64.7060303@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: <41BE0F64.7060303@daleco.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: kiffin.gish@planet.nl Subject: Re: Root directory filling up... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:53:05 -0000 Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > Kiffin Gish wrote: > >> Nikolas Britton wrote: >> >>> Kiffin Gish wrote: >>> >>>> I recently decided to dump windows and take a much deserved >>>> breather with >>>> FreeBSD. So I installed 5.3 and was in for a real treat! >>>> >>>> However, I created a /-directory with 4G and installed the complete >>>> ports >>>> stuff from the CD. Now my root directory is almost filled up (after I >>>> installed all the Gnome Desktop stuff). >>>> >>>> I always do a make clean. Is there an easier way to only keep the >>>> ports >>>> stuff that is 'really' required? >>>> >>>> I noticed that there are tons of tarballs etc. in the >>>> /usr/ports/distfiles >>>> directory. Is it safe to delete all of these? >>>> >>>> Are there any other suggestions to keep my root directory from >>>> filling up? >>>> >>> What do you mean / is filling up? the default during install is to make >>> 5 partitions /, Swap, /tmp, /var, and /usr. >>> >>> See mine for example: >>> Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on >>> /dev/ad0s1a 739M 64M 616M 9% / >>> devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev >>> /dev/ad0s1e 739M 15M 665M 2% /tmp >>> /dev/ad0s1f 69G 25G 38G 40% /usr >>> /dev/ad0s1d 739M 59M 621M 9% /var >>> /dev/ad1s1 28G 24G 3.8G 86% /mnt >>> linprocfs 4.0K 4.0K 0B 100% >>> /usr/compat/linux/proc >>> >>> The most you should need for / is 128MB (I think that is default during >>> install) >>> >>> >>> please sent the output of these commands "df -h", "more /etc/fstab", >>> and >>> "disklabel ad0s1" >>> >> bash-2.05b$ df -h >> Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on >> /dev/ad0s4a 3.9G 2.5G 1.1G 70% / >> devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev >> /dev/ad0s4d 7.4G 5.9M 6.8G 0% /home >> >> This was the recommended setup according to the book The Complete >> FreeBSD, but now I realize this is probably not the best choice. >> >> bash-2.05b$ more /etc/fstab >> # Device Mountpoint FStype Options >> Dump Pass# >> /dev/ad0s4b none swap sw >> 0 0 >> /dev/ad0s4a / ufs rw >> 1 1 >> /dev/ad0s4d /home ufs rw >> 2 2 >> /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto >> 0 0 >> >> su-2.05b# disklabel ad0s1 >> disklabel: /dev/ad0s1: no valid label found > > > > That would need to be `disklabel /dev/ad0s4`, then. > > As to the distfiles question, you can safely remove all > of them as long as you don't mind downloading them > again if, for some reason, something needs to be > recompiled. > > Your real problem is that you've got /tmp (temporary > disposable stuff, generally), /var/ (mail, logs, database > storage, etc.) and /usr (programs, source, documents, > the ports tree, the buildworld target directory, etc), all > in your root partition, which is just barely big enough to > hold all that stuff unless you do your housekeeping very > regularly (and thoroughly). > > A possible hack, in case you don't wish to backup and > reinstall, or learn about growfs(8), [which may be what > Nick is getting at by asking for disklabel output]: > > Move some stuff to your /home partition, and then > create symlinks to it from its original location. > > Some candidates: /tmp, /var/log, /root/, /usr/ports, > /usr/src, /usr/obj, /usr/local ... > > Now, I can't say which would be best; it depends > on what's filling up so fast (probably /usr, if you've > added X, or really many ports at all) and there might > be some security or other issues I'm not aware of, > but it's a valid strategy for at least the short term. > > So, let's say we wanted to move the ports tree and > our source tree to /home. As root: > > # cd /usr > # mv ports /home/ > # mv src /home/ > # ln -s /home/ports ports > # ln -s /home/src src > > Like I said, it's a hack, but it's an available one ;-) > > Another possibility, though it's possibly more > nerve wracking, would be to do something like this: > > 1. Drop to single user mode in console. > 2. Do something like this: > > change /etc/fstab from: > /dev/ad0s4d /home ufs rw > 2 2 > to: > /dev/ad0s4d /usr ufs rw > 2 2 > > Then: > #mkdir /home/home > #mv /home/* /home/home/ > (*note that this will give you one error message, > but should still work.) > #mv /usr/* /home > > and then reboot. After rebooting, you will need > to make sure that it's possible to get to /usr/home by > typing "cd /home", so another symlink would be required. > Note that I said, this could be scary --- I don't foresee > any potential problems, but if you've never had > to recover from a fuzted command using only > /bin/sh and the contents of /, it can be a hair-raising > experience. > > Maybe Nick can chime in and say what he thinks; > [or someone else --- maybe you should've asked the > questions@freebsd.org mailing list, instead of newbies] > It might be that growfs isn't that difficult and it is, > after all, designed for this purpose. > > HTH, > > Kevin Kinsey > No not really, I just thought the disklabel output might be useful to determine what partitions and slices are on the disk, maybe he's dual booting and has a DOS/NTFS partition on the drive etc.. The easiest thing you can do, if you don't have alot of important data on it or can easily back it up, is use this as a learning experience and do a complete reinstall. When you get to the disklabel part when reinstalling use A for autodefaults. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-steps.html#SYSINSTALL-LABEL2 Else, I would buy a new hard drive, $50 will get you a 40GB hard drive online, reinstall freebsd (minimal install) using the recommended disk layout from the freebsd handbook (or autodefaults) and then mount the old drive and restore it onto the new one, or something to that effect. What edition of The Complete FreeBSD do you have? I find it hard to believe that greg would advice against using the handbook's recommendations but then I've never read his book, I got Absolute BSD (Michael Lucas) last year for Christmas, and may just be taking this out of context. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 14 02:52:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B9D16A4CE for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 02:52:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B331243D54 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 02:52:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from probertm@acm.org) Received: from kant ([207.6.183.158]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20041214025207.WCKD6844.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@kant> for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:52:07 -0700 From: Mark Probert To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:52:48 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200412131852.48322.probertm@acm.org> Subject: Network config issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 02:52:08 -0000 Hi .. I am not sure if this is a newbie's question or not. I am running a new i386 5.3 release install. Everything is coming up fine. After a period of time, it varies, I will lose the ability to ping my router, though I can get to other hosts that I know about. The router is fine, as the other machines can access the WAN. The NIC is Ok, the cable, switch and router are all OK. When the loss happens, if I do a 'netstat -r' I get hung up on the IPv6 part. I think that IPv6 is turned off (nothing in rc.conf). Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks, ----- -mark. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 14 04:51:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE74C16A4CE for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 04:51:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4F443D49 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 04:51:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:49:17 -0600 Message-ID: <41BE7141.3030402@daleco.biz> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:51:13 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nikolas Britton References: <000001c4e052$8a046360$9900000a@ZGISH> <41BC81CF.1000201@nbritton.org> <41BDF27C.6010807@planet.nl> <41BE0F64.7060303@daleco.biz> <41BE477E.2080202@nbritton.org> In-Reply-To: <41BE477E.2080202@nbritton.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2004 04:49:18.0134 (UTC) FILETIME=[44F40D60:01C4E198] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: kiffin.gish@planet.nl Subject: Re: Root directory filling up... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 04:51:20 -0000 Nikolas Britton wrote: > Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > >> Kiffin Gish wrote: >> >> > > > What edition of The Complete FreeBSD do you have? I find it hard to > believe that greg would advice against using the handbook's > recommendations but then I've never read his book, I got > Absolute BSD (Michael Lucas) last year for Christmas, and > may just be taking this out of context. I wonder if his edition is rather old. I seem to remember him [grog] mentioning, once upon a time (&& YMMV) that he had his reasons for doing it, and that it was a rather long time ago (the book is in what, 4th edition now?); obviously if you go back enough years, 4 Gb was a pretty substantial chunk of the available storage for most HDDs at that time .... KDK From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 14 05:21:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7435616A4CE for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:21:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from safeco.hostingservice.net (safeco.hostingservice.net [209.150.128.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98BE43D39 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:21:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from adam@jamradar.com) Received: from PANASONIULSWMR (c-67-176-199-73.client.comcast.net [67.176.199.73])iBE5LQ521284 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:21:26 -0600 Message-ID: <003b01c4e19c$c1a54c80$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> From: "Adam" To: Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:21:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: RELENG_5 vs. RELENG_5_3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:21:29 -0000 So if I cvsup with RELENG_5, and I'm currently running version 5.3, will = I'll be getting the new code that will eventually become FreeBSD 5.4? If I update with RELENG_5_3, and I'm currently running version 5.3, will = I just get critical updates and security fixes for FreeBSD 5.3? Thanks From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 14 05:48:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BBFD16A4CE for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:48:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E3143D5C for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:48:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rskennan@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q1so317537rnf for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:48:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=XBmpqyAYN31Y7VN0d3TFkoSeyb0WHjCa1BfiAEZuOy4aA0W301wSFXasyrc7g3ppKPkwk4ePdzmifDdAiPNg/XKU60jWxubt3/bU2zpF5VLlQezG5o6Eskmf1prtjt/prM7vHRXlZHIScNPbihWrOhf6vk7Xmo/qq+lR471Hr6I= Received: by 10.38.150.47 with SMTP id x47mr525136rnd; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:48:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.126.66 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:48:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:48:23 -0500 From: "R. Scott Kennan" To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." In-Reply-To: <41BDC787.40000@daleco.biz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41BDC787.40000@daleco.biz> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Home Network, step by step? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: "R. Scott Kennan" List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:48:24 -0000 I'm sorry, but in my earlier message, I neglected to fully explain my setup. I can't afford $50 for a router (the holidays etc.), so I have to do it the hard way, at least for now. I'm a writer, and I want to be able to work on my own computer during the holidays without constantly being asked by my family to use the internet. Ok, here's my setup: I have broadband over a surfboard modem from Cox cable. I have an ethernet card (D-link) that I just picked up, and a crossover cable that connects the two computers via this card, to another, identical one on the linux box. I've had this working using Win XP (very easily), but I really don't want to go back if I can avoid it. Here's the results of ifconfig (I can't make heads or tails of it- which one is my incoming internet connection? ): fwe0: flags=108802 mtu 1500 options=8 ether 02:e0:18:11:a5:2b ch 1 dma -1 bfe0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 options=8 inet6 fe80::2e0:18ff:fef9:96e9%bfe0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 inet 68.230.154.245 netmask 0xfffffe00 broadcast 68.230.155.255 ether 00:e0:18:f9:96:e9 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active rl0: flags=8802 mtu 1500 options=8 ether 00:11:95:1d:43:fd media: Ethernet autoselect (10baseT/UTP) status: no carrier plip0: flags=108810 mtu 1500 lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x5 Anyway, thank you all very much, I really appreciate the help. On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:47:03 -0600, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > R. Scott Kennan wrote: > > >Hey everyone, this is my first post. I'm a freebsd Newbie who really > >doesn't know much at all yet, so please excuse my probably lame > >question. > > > > > > > > Welcome! No question is dumb, per se; it is worse to not ask > and remain ignorant, IMHO. The quid pro quo is that it is > more appropriate to ask the list on freebsd-questions; I would > guess however that you couldn't have known that without reading > the list charters, which seems like a bother (but may prove > interesting to you later on). It does beg the question, "what's > the newb list for", ;-) but that's not relevant to this post. > > At any rate, the question.... > > > > >At any rate, I need to network two computers- my BSD box, and one > >running Mandrake Linux 9.2 (for now). I also need to share my > >internet connection. Actually the internet connection sharing is more > >important. What steps do I need to take? All the pages I've brought up > >seem to assume some prior knowledge of both networking and/or Unix (I > >have absoultely none), and I apparently don't even know enough to > >recognise the information in the FreeBSD handbook. I installed FreeBSD > >to learn, but I'm totally lost in this matter. > > > >If anyone can help me, or tell me to RTFM (as long as you point out > >the manual) I'd appreciate it. Once again, Sorry for the dumb > >question. Thanks. > > > >-R. Scott Kennan > > > > Darren K. & others have been pointing you in the right general > direction. Using an internet facing **router** instead of a switch > would get you up and going with a relatively small investment of > cash and even less of RTFM. To do it with no/less cash, (but a > counterbalancing investment in time/knowledge gained) you'll need > to use one of the computers you already have and NAT. If you > use a broadband Inet connection, you'll need to run natd(8) > and have a working knowledge of kernel building or kldloading > along with familiarity with ipfw(8); if you have a PPP or PPPOE > type connection, you may be able to run your ppp with the -nat > option, as I do at home (dialup; too many feet out of town here > in the sticks....) > > As for routers, I have used the LinkSys BEFSR41 and the D-Link > DI-604* for this purpose in SOHO environments with {relatively} > few problems. Once I learned enough about FreeBSD, I began > to switch out these small devices for old computers (of which I > have a plethora), in order to have more fine-grained control of > things (particularly firewalling and offering more services to the > LAN machines). > > To learn the basics of NAT (Network Address Translation), you > should read the Handbook subchapter on "Network Address > Translation" in the "Advanced Networking Chapter" (which in > my current doc build is section .8 of chapter 24 [24.8]. I think > my copy is relatively up to date ... if your doc build [assuming > you have one] is older, the numbering system may vary slightly. > > To learn the specifics, there is a section called "RUNNING NATD" > in the natd(8) manual page; it covers the necessary information > for enabling natd in the kernel, adding rules to ipfw(8), and so > on. > > Good luck, and welcome to FreeBSD! > > Kevin Kinsey > > *Heck, buy pizza for the family and I'll send ya the Dlink.... :-D > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 14 05:52:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EDF716A4CE for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:52:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9549943D4C for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:52:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rskennan@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a36so1191265rnf for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:52:01 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ZtIxvTi1V8PmR0CgeIFPXk2blakz/gQ+9pBc0vu/P+W4YUto0JSwGD+IR//7tu7XO8yk9rcu4EiV63Gzq8HH54rN9hZs1nvM2uhM1LTyoxt/qXd3M8McZCHmU0/6CaT3qqeNf5Ttm1itVb6iuD1WPhhMGB1nUeNaJQ3CUlrsO+I= Received: by 10.38.97.8 with SMTP id u8mr1763906rnb; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:52:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.126.66 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:52:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:52:00 -0500 From: "R. Scott Kennan" To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41BDC787.40000@daleco.biz> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Home Network, step by step? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: "R. Scott Kennan" List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:52:02 -0000 One more thing- the ifconfig may be muddled by the fact that I've previously tried to get this going with seemingly unrelated instructions, and failed. I tried to clean up the mess I made, to get as close to a blank slate as possible, but I'm pretty sure I didn't completely do accomplish that goal. On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:48:23 -0500, R. Scott Kennan wrote: > I'm sorry, but in my earlier message, I neglected to fully explain my > setup. I can't afford $50 for a router (the holidays etc.), so I have > to do it the hard way, at least for now. I'm a writer, and I want to > be able to work on my own computer during the holidays without > constantly being asked by my family to use the internet. > > Ok, here's my setup: I have broadband over a surfboard modem from Cox > cable. I have an ethernet card (D-link) that I just picked up, and a > crossover cable that connects the two computers via this card, to > another, identical one on the linux box. I've had this working using > Win XP (very easily), but I really don't want to go back if I can > avoid it. > > Here's the results of ifconfig (I can't make heads or tails of it- > which one is my incoming internet connection? ): > > fwe0: flags=108802 mtu 1500 > options=8 > ether 02:e0:18:11:a5:2b > ch 1 dma -1 > bfe0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > options=8 > inet6 fe80::2e0:18ff:fef9:96e9%bfe0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 > inet 68.230.154.245 netmask 0xfffffe00 broadcast 68.230.155.255 > ether 00:e0:18:f9:96:e9 > media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) > status: active > rl0: flags=8802 mtu 1500 > options=8 > ether 00:11:95:1d:43:fd > media: Ethernet autoselect (10baseT/UTP) > status: no carrier > plip0: flags=108810 mtu 1500 > lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 > inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 > inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 > inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x5 > > Anyway, thank you all very much, I really appreciate the help. > > > > > On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:47:03 -0600, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. > wrote: > > R. Scott Kennan wrote: > > > > >Hey everyone, this is my first post. I'm a freebsd Newbie who really > > >doesn't know much at all yet, so please excuse my probably lame > > >question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome! No question is dumb, per se; it is worse to not ask > > and remain ignorant, IMHO. The quid pro quo is that it is > > more appropriate to ask the list on freebsd-questions; I would > > guess however that you couldn't have known that without reading > > the list charters, which seems like a bother (but may prove > > interesting to you later on). It does beg the question, "what's > > the newb list for", ;-) but that's not relevant to this post. > > > > At any rate, the question.... > > > > > > > > >At any rate, I need to network two computers- my BSD box, and one > > >running Mandrake Linux 9.2 (for now). I also need to share my > > >internet connection. Actually the internet connection sharing is more > > >important. What steps do I need to take? All the pages I've brought up > > >seem to assume some prior knowledge of both networking and/or Unix (I > > >have absoultely none), and I apparently don't even know enough to > > >recognise the information in the FreeBSD handbook. I installed FreeBSD > > >to learn, but I'm totally lost in this matter. > > > > > >If anyone can help me, or tell me to RTFM (as long as you point out > > >the manual) I'd appreciate it. Once again, Sorry for the dumb > > >question. Thanks. > > > > > >-R. Scott Kennan > > > > > > > Darren K. & others have been pointing you in the right general > > direction. Using an internet facing **router** instead of a switch > > would get you up and going with a relatively small investment of > > cash and even less of RTFM. To do it with no/less cash, (but a > > counterbalancing investment in time/knowledge gained) you'll need > > to use one of the computers you already have and NAT. If you > > use a broadband Inet connection, you'll need to run natd(8) > > and have a working knowledge of kernel building or kldloading > > along with familiarity with ipfw(8); if you have a PPP or PPPOE > > type connection, you may be able to run your ppp with the -nat > > option, as I do at home (dialup; too many feet out of town here > > in the sticks....) > > > > As for routers, I have used the LinkSys BEFSR41 and the D-Link > > DI-604* for this purpose in SOHO environments with {relatively} > > few problems. Once I learned enough about FreeBSD, I began > > to switch out these small devices for old computers (of which I > > have a plethora), in order to have more fine-grained control of > > things (particularly firewalling and offering more services to the > > LAN machines). > > > > To learn the basics of NAT (Network Address Translation), you > > should read the Handbook subchapter on "Network Address > > Translation" in the "Advanced Networking Chapter" (which in > > my current doc build is section .8 of chapter 24 [24.8]. I think > > my copy is relatively up to date ... if your doc build [assuming > > you have one] is older, the numbering system may vary slightly. > > > > To learn the specifics, there is a section called "RUNNING NATD" > > in the natd(8) manual page; it covers the necessary information > > for enabling natd in the kernel, adding rules to ipfw(8), and so > > on. > > > > Good luck, and welcome to FreeBSD! > > > > Kevin Kinsey > > > > *Heck, buy pizza for the family and I'll send ya the Dlink.... :-D > > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 14 06:01:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6FA216A4CE for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:01:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE5E43D48 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:01:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rskennan@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a36so1191924rnf for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:01:00 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=luGbOwyxfxw7SQyn+JCpEgavAlfDEjkww5Sf+oma4ue6uyliZpOizgVq6RsJH5jKmESs39XeoiA1v+AzzbNY5G9fCD44soQcIHmn9jzTYVbbfz1hiaK6Gtphi5NwEwnjT9xsTZ+mfvfVA/YWhGTE64S/0QuEDUtOciTPjIlTPzc= Received: by 10.38.104.3 with SMTP id b3mr2862812rnc; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:01:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.126.66 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:01:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:01:00 -0500 From: "R. Scott Kennan" To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41BDC787.40000@daleco.biz> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Home Network, step by step? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: "R. Scott Kennan" List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:01:02 -0000 Ugh, sorry for the typos above.... One other thing I don't understand is why I'm being told to install the firewall in this context; are firewalls more than just an intrusion countermeasure? Do they do any 'lifting' on a network beyond blocking unauthorised transfers? Thanks again. On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:52:00 -0500, R. Scott Kennan wrote: > One more thing- the ifconfig may be muddled by the fact that I've > previously tried to get this going with seemingly unrelated > instructions, and failed. I tried to clean up the mess I made, to get > as close to a blank slate as possible, but I'm pretty sure I didn't > completely do accomplish that goal. > > > > > On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:48:23 -0500, R. Scott Kennan wrote: > > I'm sorry, but in my earlier message, I neglected to fully explain my > > setup. I can't afford $50 for a router (the holidays etc.), so I have > > to do it the hard way, at least for now. I'm a writer, and I want to > > be able to work on my own computer during the holidays without > > constantly being asked by my family to use the internet. > > > > Ok, here's my setup: I have broadband over a surfboard modem from Cox > > cable. I have an ethernet card (D-link) that I just picked up, and a > > crossover cable that connects the two computers via this card, to > > another, identical one on the linux box. I've had this working using > > Win XP (very easily), but I really don't want to go back if I can > > avoid it. > > > > Here's the results of ifconfig (I can't make heads or tails of it- > > which one is my incoming internet connection? ): > > > > fwe0: flags=108802 mtu 1500 > > options=8 > > ether 02:e0:18:11:a5:2b > > ch 1 dma -1 > > bfe0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > > options=8 > > inet6 fe80::2e0:18ff:fef9:96e9%bfe0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 > > inet 68.230.154.245 netmask 0xfffffe00 broadcast 68.230.155.255 > > ether 00:e0:18:f9:96:e9 > > media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) > > status: active > > rl0: flags=8802 mtu 1500 > > options=8 > > ether 00:11:95:1d:43:fd > > media: Ethernet autoselect (10baseT/UTP) > > status: no carrier > > plip0: flags=108810 mtu 1500 > > lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 > > inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 > > inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 > > inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x5 > > > > Anyway, thank you all very much, I really appreciate the help. > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:47:03 -0600, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. > > wrote: > > > R. Scott Kennan wrote: > > > > > > >Hey everyone, this is my first post. I'm a freebsd Newbie who really > > > >doesn't know much at all yet, so please excuse my probably lame > > > >question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome! No question is dumb, per se; it is worse to not ask > > > and remain ignorant, IMHO. The quid pro quo is that it is > > > more appropriate to ask the list on freebsd-questions; I would > > > guess however that you couldn't have known that without reading > > > the list charters, which seems like a bother (but may prove > > > interesting to you later on). It does beg the question, "what's > > > the newb list for", ;-) but that's not relevant to this post. > > > > > > At any rate, the question.... > > > > > > > > > > > > >At any rate, I need to network two computers- my BSD box, and one > > > >running Mandrake Linux 9.2 (for now). I also need to share my > > > >internet connection. Actually the internet connection sharing is more > > > >important. What steps do I need to take? All the pages I've brought up > > > >seem to assume some prior knowledge of both networking and/or Unix (I > > > >have absoultely none), and I apparently don't even know enough to > > > >recognise the information in the FreeBSD handbook. I installed FreeBSD > > > >to learn, but I'm totally lost in this matter. > > > > > > > >If anyone can help me, or tell me to RTFM (as long as you point out > > > >the manual) I'd appreciate it. Once again, Sorry for the dumb > > > >question. Thanks. > > > > > > > >-R. Scott Kennan > > > > > > > > > > Darren K. & others have been pointing you in the right general > > > direction. Using an internet facing **router** instead of a switch > > > would get you up and going with a relatively small investment of > > > cash and even less of RTFM. To do it with no/less cash, (but a > > > counterbalancing investment in time/knowledge gained) you'll need > > > to use one of the computers you already have and NAT. If you > > > use a broadband Inet connection, you'll need to run natd(8) > > > and have a working knowledge of kernel building or kldloading > > > along with familiarity with ipfw(8); if you have a PPP or PPPOE > > > type connection, you may be able to run your ppp with the -nat > > > option, as I do at home (dialup; too many feet out of town here > > > in the sticks....) > > > > > > As for routers, I have used the LinkSys BEFSR41 and the D-Link > > > DI-604* for this purpose in SOHO environments with {relatively} > > > few problems. Once I learned enough about FreeBSD, I began > > > to switch out these small devices for old computers (of which I > > > have a plethora), in order to have more fine-grained control of > > > things (particularly firewalling and offering more services to the > > > LAN machines). > > > > > > To learn the basics of NAT (Network Address Translation), you > > > should read the Handbook subchapter on "Network Address > > > Translation" in the "Advanced Networking Chapter" (which in > > > my current doc build is section .8 of chapter 24 [24.8]. I think > > > my copy is relatively up to date ... if your doc build [assuming > > > you have one] is older, the numbering system may vary slightly. > > > > > > To learn the specifics, there is a section called "RUNNING NATD" > > > in the natd(8) manual page; it covers the necessary information > > > for enabling natd in the kernel, adding rules to ipfw(8), and so > > > on. > > > > > > Good luck, and welcome to FreeBSD! > > > > > > Kevin Kinsey > > > > > > *Heck, buy pizza for the family and I'll send ya the Dlink.... :-D > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 14 06:07:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64DA816A4CE for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:07:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92.asp.att.net [63.240.76.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142D343D66 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:07:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92) with ESMTP id <20041214060700i92002abv6e>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:07:00 +0000 Message-ID: <41BE8303.5060401@nbritton.org> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:06:59 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam References: <003b01c4e19c$c1a54c80$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> In-Reply-To: <003b01c4e19c$c1a54c80$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RELENG_5 vs. RELENG_5_3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:07:01 -0000 Adam wrote: >So if I cvsup with RELENG_5, and I'm currently running version 5.3, will I'll be getting the new code that will eventually become FreeBSD 5.4? > >If I update with RELENG_5_3, and I'm currently running version 5.3, will I just get critical updates and security fixes for FreeBSD 5.3? > >Thanks > > > Yes, everything you said is correct. If you cvsup with RELENG_6 you will be tracking -CURRENT (aka HEAD), NEVER! a good idea for a newbie. If you cvsup with RELENG_5 you will be tracking -STABLE, -STABLE does NOT imply the code is "Stable", only that there won't be radical changes to the code, that is what -CURRENT is for, I would not recommend tracking this for 5.x until it matures a bit more, maybe after 5.4 or 5.5-RELEASE and even after it stabilizes tracking -STABLE is not recommend for "production systems", Think of it as "Beta" software. If you cvsup with RELENG_5_3 you will be tracking the -RELEASE branch for that -RELEASE, this will get you critical and security updates, this is what you want. Also some -RELEASE branches are designated as errata fix branches. Then when 5.4 is released you would change it to RELENG_5_4 and cvsup to 5.4. See here for more about Release Engineering: http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 14 06:42:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0223716A4CE for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:42:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from safeco.hostingservice.net (safeco.hostingservice.net [209.150.128.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A94143D49 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:42:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from adam@jamradar.com) Received: from PANASONIULSWMR (c-67-176-199-73.client.comcast.net [67.176.199.73])iBE6f8g08783; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:41:08 -0600 Message-ID: <008d01c4e1a7$e3b8e5b0$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> From: "Adam" To: "Nikolas Britton" References: <003b01c4e19c$c1a54c80$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> <41BE8303.5060401@nbritton.org> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:41:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RELENG_5 vs. RELENG_5_3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:42:17 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikolas Britton" To: "Adam" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 12:06 AM Subject: Re: RELENG_5 vs. RELENG_5_3 > Adam wrote: > > >So if I cvsup with RELENG_5, and I'm currently running version 5.3, will I'll be getting the new code that will eventually become FreeBSD 5.4? > > > >If I update with RELENG_5_3, and I'm currently running version 5.3, will I just get critical updates and security fixes for FreeBSD 5.3? > > > >Thanks > > > > > > > > Yes, everything you said is correct. > > If you cvsup with RELENG_6 you will be tracking -CURRENT (aka HEAD), > NEVER! a good idea for a newbie. > > If you cvsup with RELENG_5 you will be tracking -STABLE, -STABLE does > NOT imply the code is "Stable", only that there won't be radical changes > to the code, that is what -CURRENT is for, I would not recommend > tracking this for 5.x until it matures a bit more, maybe after 5.4 or > 5.5-RELEASE and even after it stabilizes tracking -STABLE is not > recommend for "production systems", Think of it as "Beta" software. > > If you cvsup with RELENG_5_3 you will be tracking the -RELEASE branch > for that -RELEASE, this will get you critical and security updates, this > is what you want. Also some -RELEASE branches are designated as errata > fix branches. Then when 5.4 is released you would change it to > RELENG_5_4 and cvsup to 5.4. > > See here for more about Release Engineering: > http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html With FreeBSD I'm making a webserver (with PHP, Apache, PostgreSQL) for my pesonal websites and I want it to be "stable" (as in the sense that it's reliable). Is FreeBSD 5.3 tracking RELENG_5_3 a good choice for this? Or should I go to an earlier version? Thanks, From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 14 10:51:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB05D16A4CE for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:51:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92.asp.att.net [63.240.76.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9648C43D5D for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:51:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92) with ESMTP id <20041214105114i92002aif2e>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:51:14 +0000 Message-ID: <41BEC5A1.2040302@nbritton.org> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 04:51:13 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam References: <003b01c4e19c$c1a54c80$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> <41BE8303.5060401@nbritton.org> <008d01c4e1a7$e3b8e5b0$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> In-Reply-To: <008d01c4e1a7$e3b8e5b0$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RELENG_5 vs. RELENG_5_3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:51:16 -0000 Adam wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Nikolas Britton" >To: "Adam" >Cc: >Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 12:06 AM >Subject: Re: RELENG_5 vs. RELENG_5_3 > > > > >>Adam wrote: >> >> >> >>>So if I cvsup with RELENG_5, and I'm currently running version 5.3, will >>> >>> >I'll be getting the new code that will eventually become FreeBSD 5.4? > > >>>If I update with RELENG_5_3, and I'm currently running version 5.3, will >>> >>> >I just get critical updates and security fixes for FreeBSD 5.3? > > >>>Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Yes, everything you said is correct. >> >>If you cvsup with RELENG_6 you will be tracking -CURRENT (aka HEAD), >>NEVER! a good idea for a newbie. >> >>If you cvsup with RELENG_5 you will be tracking -STABLE, -STABLE does >>NOT imply the code is "Stable", only that there won't be radical changes >>to the code, that is what -CURRENT is for, I would not recommend >>tracking this for 5.x until it matures a bit more, maybe after 5.4 or >>5.5-RELEASE and even after it stabilizes tracking -STABLE is not >>recommend for "production systems", Think of it as "Beta" software. >> >>If you cvsup with RELENG_5_3 you will be tracking the -RELEASE branch >>for that -RELEASE, this will get you critical and security updates, this >>is what you want. Also some -RELEASE branches are designated as errata >>fix branches. Then when 5.4 is released you would change it to >>RELENG_5_4 and cvsup to 5.4. >> >>See here for more about Release Engineering: >>http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html >> >> > >With FreeBSD I'm making a webserver (with PHP, Apache, PostgreSQL) for my >pesonal websites and I want it to be "stable" (as in the sense that it's >reliable). Is FreeBSD 5.3 tracking RELENG_5_3 a good choice for this? Or >should I go to an earlier version? > >Thanks, > > > YES!, Its still a tad ruff around the edges but you have to remember that FreeBSD (and the other BSDs) has very high standards when it comes to system stability, uptime is measured in years not months or days, so if they say its ready for production use then it is, also, FreeBSD 5.x as a chicken and the egg problem, it needs more people using it to work out those ruff edges, but everyone "thinks" it not "ready" so they go with 4.x thus adding to problem. Being that FreeBSD 5 is already at 5.3 were sorta at the now or never point, its time for everyone to just grin and bear it so we can get this show on the road. If you don't believe me that FreeBSD works like "running water" then have a look at this, all 50 spots are held by *BSD: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 14 11:21:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6256716A4CE for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:21:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0698543D39 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:21:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aentgood@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so1321739wra for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 03:21:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=CwAH47DN0A5nL9wSSq57rK3w9z5ft/5Hfln9Ko9zeEg3+viCrUS7DyBb/4BEqSiHyRXXXPCjZG8n/EZt7YitzilSNNduvHSE9/IndD+NDu7aZllk94LxMwnJVA1T5umARyKb0defK1T0oKvgdmUGIBNrfDiLEZmH4cytE0M47NM= Received: by 10.54.45.21 with SMTP id s21mr773324wrs; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 03:21:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.27.45 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 03:21:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7603e5d80412140321414739a9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:21:14 +0000 From: Wouter van Rooij To: Mark Probert , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200412131852.48322.probertm@acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200412131852.48322.probertm@acm.org> Subject: Re: Network config issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Wouter van Rooij List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:21:15 -0000 > Hi .. > > I am not sure if this is a newbie's question or not. > > I am running a new i386 5.3 release install. Everything is coming up fine. > After a period of time, it varies, I will lose the ability to ping my router, > though I can get to other hosts that I know about. The router is fine, as > the other machines can access the WAN. The NIC is Ok, the cable, switch and > router are all OK. > > When the loss happens, if I do a 'netstat -r' I get hung up on the IPv6 part. > I think that IPv6 is turned off (nothing in rc.conf). > > Can anyone point me in the right direction? Try to run /stand/sysinstall. Go to configure and then networking and then interfaces. Pick the interface of your networkcard and it asks: Do you want to try IPv6 configuration of the interface? Then try Yes. If this doesn't work your server doesn't support it I guess Wouter van Rooij From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 14 14:30:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0497B16A4CE for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:30:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from jail.idea-anvil.net (idea-anvil.net [63.226.12.96]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9243343D45 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:30:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from james@idea-anvil.net) Received: from mail.Idea-Anvil.net (vaio [10.0.0.99]) by jail.idea-anvil.net (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBEEUWa9095337 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:30:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from james@idea-anvil.net) From: James Organization: Jhai To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:30:27 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <41BDC787.40000@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200412140730.27578.james@idea-anvil.net> Subject: Re: Home Network, step by step? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:30:30 -0000 Hi, On Monday 13 December 2004 10:48 pm, R. Scott Kennan wrote: > Ok, here's my setup: I have broadband over a surfboard modem from Cox > cable. I have an ethernet card (D-link) that I just picked up, and a > crossover cable that connects the two computers via this card, to > another, identical one on the linux box. so just to make sure I am clear, [world]<--->[cable gateway]<--->[fbsd box]<--->[hub]<--->[linux box] that look right? > Here's the results of ifconfig (I can't make heads or tails of it- > which one is my incoming internet connection? ): > This would be your firewire: > fwe0: flags=3D108802 mtu 1500 > options=3D8 > ether 02:e0:18:11:a5:2b > ch 1 dma -1 This is a network card: > bfe0: flags=3D8843 mtu 1500 > options=3D8 > inet6 fe80::2e0:18ff:fef9:96e9%bfe0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 > inet 68.230.154.245 netmask 0xfffffe00 broadcast 68.230.155.255 > ether 00:e0:18:f9:96:e9 > media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) > status: active This is a network card: > rl0: flags=3D8802 mtu 1500 > options=3D8 > ether 00:11:95:1d:43:fd > media: Ethernet autoselect (10baseT/UTP) > status: no carrier This would be the lpt port: > plip0: flags=3D108810 mtu 1500 This is the loopback interface: > lo0: flags=3D8049 mtu 16384 > inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 > inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 > inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x5 > You will need to know the ip address of the cable modem or if it is using=20 dhcp. Use the http admin for the modem to see what the ip is unless you=20 already know. Also note if dhcp is running on the modem, if you want to use= =20 dhcp then read this page (i don't know dhcp setup very well):=20 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-dhcp.html= =20 and ignore the rest of this. Or you can disable dhcp for the LAN and setup = a=20 static network. Static setup: # ifconfig rl0 down # ifconfig bfe0 down # route flush This will clean up your "mess" :-) Next, you need to know the public interface (going to the cable gateway) an= d=20 the private interface (going to your LAN). Now to find the public interface: (assuming the ip address for the cable mo= dem=20 is 192.168.0.1 and has a netmask of 255.255.255.0): # ifconfig rl0 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 # ifconfig rl0 up # route add default gateway 192.168.0.1 # ping 192.168.0.1 You should get a ping response from the cable modem at this point.=20 If not then: # ifconfig rl0 down # route flush # ifconfig bfe0 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 # ifconfig bfe0 up # route add default gateway 192.168.0.1 # ping 192.168.0.1 Make a note of the which interface is which. For the examples I am assuming= =20 rl0 is connected to the cable modem, that is is up, you can ping the modem= =20 and that bfe0 is connected to the LAN. So this will all be set up on reboot: Edit /etc/rc.conf and add: firewall_enable=3D"YES" firewall_type=3D"OPEN" natd_enable=3D"YES" natd_interface=3D"rl0" ifconfig_rl0=3D"inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0"=20 ifconfig_bfe0=3D"inet 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" gateway_enable=3D"YES" Edit /etc/rc.firewall and edit the "open" section: =46ROM: # Prototype setups. # case ${firewall_type} in [Oo][Pp][Ee][Nn]) setup_loopback ${fwcmd} add 65000 pass all from any to any ;; TO: # Prototype setups. # case ${firewall_type} in [Oo][Pp][Ee][Nn]) setup_loopback ${fwcmd} add divert natd all from any to any via rl0 ${fwcmd} add 65000 pass all from any to any ;; Now Reboot. On the linux box: ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 ifconfig eth0 up route add default gateway 10.0.0.1 Now, from the freebsd box: ping 192.168.0.1 ping 10.0.0.2 ping freebsd.org =46rom the linux box: ping 10.0.0.1 ping freebsd.org You should be up and running.=20 You will still need to edit your firewall rules. The "open" setup is just s= o=20 misformed rules aren't a possable problem in the trouble shoot. I'm sure yo= u=20 will be able to google for how to do this. Let me know if this helped or if you have any more questions. =2D James From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 14 16:13:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140F816A4D2 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:13:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D6DC43D2F for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:13:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from geekout@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so95696wri for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:13:45 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Cotfskyjd8FGAM7UGq4L9gbbfc/pEhkC1nbpqBw51EOuY1Qp2T0vYoB5HVtC3c1ffTKJpqzDOEpx+T1UTSDbReUnt6//sE9loECLUSnYZhygCVZ97ZxKWgQ4vsgZG6HHUtiBhsA1sZWSJQyHmsa/1WHQlssNVhBPXDa884TauGA= Received: by 10.54.27.79 with SMTP id a79mr2568575wra; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:13:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.46.34 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:13:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6e01203b04121408131256653e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:13:45 -0700 From: Tyler Gee To: Wouter van Rooij In-Reply-To: <7603e5d80412140321414739a9@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200412131852.48322.probertm@acm.org> <7603e5d80412140321414739a9@mail.gmail.com> cc: Mark Probert cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network config issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tyler Gee List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:13:47 -0000 Unless you plan on using it you are safe to remove it from the kernel. If you have never recompiled a kernel that is a good thing to first test it on. On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:21:14 +0000, Wouter van Rooij wrote: > > Hi .. > > > > I am not sure if this is a newbie's question or not. > > > > I am running a new i386 5.3 release install. Everything is coming up fine. > > After a period of time, it varies, I will lose the ability to ping my router, > > though I can get to other hosts that I know about. The router is fine, as > > the other machines can access the WAN. The NIC is Ok, the cable, switch and > > router are all OK. > > > > When the loss happens, if I do a 'netstat -r' I get hung up on the IPv6 part. > > I think that IPv6 is turned off (nothing in rc.conf). > > > > Can anyone point me in the right direction? > > Try to run /stand/sysinstall. > Go to configure and then networking and then interfaces. > Pick the interface of your networkcard and it asks: > Do you want to try IPv6 configuration of the interface? > Then try Yes. > If this doesn't work your server doesn't support it I guess > > Wouter van Rooij > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 14 19:41:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8379916A4CE for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:41:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vfemail.net (miwi2dsl-a234.wi.tds.net [216.170.248.235]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECAB043D2D for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:41:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lute@vfemail.net) Received: (qmail 90686 invoked by uid 85); 14 Dec 2004 19:41:00 -0000 Received: from lute@vfemail.net by mail.vfemail.net by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (clamscan: 0.75.1. spamassassin: 2.63. 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Processed in 0.054597 secs); 14 Dec 2004 19:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO agnes.myhome.net) (lute@vfemail.net@63.229.187.130) by miwi2dsl-a234.wi.tds.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 19:40:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:41:01 -0600 From: Lute Mullenix To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20041214134101.6dc59ff6@agnes.myhome.net> In-Reply-To: <41BEC5A1.2040302@nbritton.org> References: <003b01c4e19c$c1a54c80$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> <41BE8303.5060401@nbritton.org> <008d01c4e1a7$e3b8e5b0$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> <41BEC5A1.2040302@nbritton.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.13 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: RELENG_5 vs. RELENG_5_3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:41:02 -0000 On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 04:51:13 -0600 Nikolas Britton insisted: {trimmed for space} > > YES!, Its still a tad ruff around the edges but you have to remember > that FreeBSD (and the other BSDs) has very high standards when it comes > to system stability, uptime is measured in years not months or days, so > if they say its ready for production use then it is, also, FreeBSD 5.x > as a chicken and the egg problem, it needs more people using it to work > out those ruff edges, but everyone "thinks" it not "ready" so they go > with 4.x thus adding to problem. Being that FreeBSD 5 is already at 5.3 > were sorta at the now or never point, its time for everyone to just grin > > and bear it so we can get this show on the road. > > If you don't believe me that FreeBSD works like "running water" then > have a look at this, all 50 spots are held by *BSD: > http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html I have to agree, I have been running 5.3 since it was RELEASEd, and it's been totally stable, the only real complaint is, that I am having some problems with port builds. The main one being the panel on xfce4, (sigh) my preferred desk top. But sound worked right out of the box, and after a bit of wrestling got Xorg up and running. The only time it's been down has been for the required reboot for the couple of security updates it's had so far. It would be good if people who put more demands on the OS than I do would use it so any other quirks can be rooted out. In the mean time I will just use blackbox and keep hoping for the panel on xfce4 to get fixed. On the other hand I have no intention of ditching FBSD or regressing to an earlier version. It's working and I can live with it knowing there are smarter people than me out there making it work better. -- Lute It's OK to be different FreeBSD 5.3 RELEASE From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 14 19:43:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2901B16A4CE for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:43:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp16.wxs.nl (smtp16.wxs.nl [195.121.6.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CAE543D2F for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:43:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kiffin.gish@planet.nl) Received: from ZGISH (ip3e833f72.speed.planet.nl [62.131.63.114]) by smtp16.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I8Q009PS9G78I@smtp16.wxs.nl> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:43:25 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:43:19 +0100 From: Kiffin Gish In-reply-to: <41BE0F64.7060303@daleco.biz> To: "'Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P.'" Message-id: <000101c4e215$2cdfedc0$9900000a@ZGISH> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal cc: 'Nikolas Britton' cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Root directory filling up... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:43:26 -0000 Wow, that seems like a lot of work. Suppose instead I choose just to reinstall everything all over again... What stuff do I need to save and restore later so that I don't have to reinstall all my applications all over again (Internet, mail, gnome, x-windows)? Like the /etc/* , etc. Is there a standard way to do this? -- Kiffin Rex Gish Gouda, The Netherlands > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. [mailto:kdk@daleco.biz] > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 22:54 > To: kiffin.gish@planet.nl > Cc: Nikolas Britton; freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Root directory filling up... > > Kiffin Gish wrote: > > > Nikolas Britton wrote: > > > >> Kiffin Gish wrote: > >> > >>> I recently decided to dump windows and take a much deserved breather > >>> with > >>> FreeBSD. So I installed 5.3 and was in for a real treat! > >>> > >>> However, I created a /-directory with 4G and installed the complete > >>> ports > >>> stuff from the CD. Now my root directory is almost filled up (after I > >>> installed all the Gnome Desktop stuff). > >>> > >>> I always do a make clean. Is there an easier way to only keep the > ports > >>> stuff that is 'really' required? > >>> > >>> I noticed that there are tons of tarballs etc. in the > >>> /usr/ports/distfiles > >>> directory. Is it safe to delete all of these? > >>> > >>> Are there any other suggestions to keep my root directory from > >>> filling up? > >>> > >> What do you mean / is filling up? the default during install is to make > >> 5 partitions /, Swap, /tmp, /var, and /usr. > >> > >> See mine for example: > >> Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > >> /dev/ad0s1a 739M 64M 616M 9% / > >> devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev > >> /dev/ad0s1e 739M 15M 665M 2% /tmp > >> /dev/ad0s1f 69G 25G 38G 40% /usr > >> /dev/ad0s1d 739M 59M 621M 9% /var > >> /dev/ad1s1 28G 24G 3.8G 86% /mnt > >> linprocfs 4.0K 4.0K 0B 100% > /usr/compat/linux/proc > >> > >> The most you should need for / is 128MB (I think that is default during > >> install) > >> > >> > >> please sent the output of these commands "df -h", "more /etc/fstab", > and > >> "disklabel ad0s1" > >> > > bash-2.05b$ df -h > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > > /dev/ad0s4a 3.9G 2.5G 1.1G 70% / > > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev > > /dev/ad0s4d 7.4G 5.9M 6.8G 0% /home > > > > This was the recommended setup according to the book The Complete > > FreeBSD, but now I realize this is probably not the best choice. > > > > bash-2.05b$ more /etc/fstab > > # Device Mountpoint FStype Options > > Dump Pass# > > /dev/ad0s4b none swap sw 0 > 0 > > /dev/ad0s4a / ufs rw 1 > 1 > > /dev/ad0s4d /home ufs rw 2 > 2 > > /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 > 0 > > > > su-2.05b# disklabel ad0s1 > > disklabel: /dev/ad0s1: no valid label found > > > That would need to be `disklabel /dev/ad0s4`, then. > > As to the distfiles question, you can safely remove all > of them as long as you don't mind downloading them > again if, for some reason, something needs to be > recompiled. > > Your real problem is that you've got /tmp (temporary > disposable stuff, generally), /var/ (mail, logs, database > storage, etc.) and /usr (programs, source, documents, > the ports tree, the buildworld target directory, etc), all > in your root partition, which is just barely big enough to > hold all that stuff unless you do your housekeeping very > regularly (and thoroughly). > > A possible hack, in case you don't wish to backup and > reinstall, or learn about growfs(8), [which may be what > Nick is getting at by asking for disklabel output]: > > Move some stuff to your /home partition, and then > create symlinks to it from its original location. > > Some candidates: /tmp, /var/log, /root/, /usr/ports, > /usr/src, /usr/obj, /usr/local ... > > Now, I can't say which would be best; it depends > on what's filling up so fast (probably /usr, if you've > added X, or really many ports at all) and there might > be some security or other issues I'm not aware of, > but it's a valid strategy for at least the short term. > > So, let's say we wanted to move the ports tree and > our source tree to /home. As root: > > # cd /usr > # mv ports /home/ > # mv src /home/ > # ln -s /home/ports ports > # ln -s /home/src src > > Like I said, it's a hack, but it's an available one ;-) > > Another possibility, though it's possibly more > nerve wracking, would be to do something like this: > > 1. Drop to single user mode in console. > 2. Do something like this: > > change /etc/fstab from: > /dev/ad0s4d /home ufs rw > 2 2 > to: > /dev/ad0s4d /usr ufs rw > 2 2 > > Then: > #mkdir /home/home > #mv /home/* /home/home/ > (*note that this will give you one error message, > but should still work.) > #mv /usr/* /home > > and then reboot. After rebooting, you will need > to make sure that it's possible to get to /usr/home by > typing "cd /home", so another symlink would be required. > Note that I said, this could be scary --- I don't foresee > any potential problems, but if you've never had > to recover from a fuzted command using only > /bin/sh and the contents of /, it can be a hair-raising > experience. > > Maybe Nick can chime in and say what he thinks; > [or someone else --- maybe you should've asked the > questions@freebsd.org mailing list, instead of newbies] > It might be that growfs isn't that difficult and it is, > after all, designed for this purpose. > > HTH, > > Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 15 01:07:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8ED16A4CE; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:07:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta9.adelphia.net (mta9.adelphia.net [68.168.78.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B5643D1F; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:07:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from smithcam@adelphia.net) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (really [68.169.225.230]) by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20041215010731.VBWC14438.mta9.adelphia.net@[192.168.0.199]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:07:31 -0500 Message-ID: <41BFFED6.7030006@adelphia.net> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:07:34 -0800 From: Kevin Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20041130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: video capture and editing suggestions please X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:07:32 -0000 If anyone is interested in sharing experiences in the state-of-the-art of video capture and editing on freebsd 5.X please feel free to email me or respond to this thread. I am interested hearing about suggested interfaces for video capture from a dv camera and software editing packages. What are people using ? From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 15 01:12:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4CC16A4CE for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:12:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asclepius.uwa.edu.au (asclepius3.uwa.edu.au [130.95.128.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E63643D2D for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:12:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from zanchey@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Received: from asclepius.kas (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asclepius.uwa.edu.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 5BE98184321 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:11:34 +0800 (WST) Received: from asclepius (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asclepius.prekas (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A70918424D for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:11:34 +0800 (WST) X-UWA-Client-IP: 130.95.13.9 (UWA) Received: from mooneye.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mooneye.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [130.95.13.9]) by asclepius.input (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318DC1842CE for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:11:34 +0800 (WST) Received: by mooneye.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Postfix, from userid 801) id 5EBC317F18; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:11:33 +0800 (WST) Received: from mussel (mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [130.95.13.18]) by mooneye.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0530617E99; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:11:32 +0800 (WST) Received: from zanchey (helo=localhost) by mussel with local-esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeNhU-0005w2-00; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:11:32 +0800 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:11:32 +0800 (WST) From: David Adam To: "R. Scott Kennan" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <41BDC787.40000@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: David Adam X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: Formal (173/041213) X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: Detect Hard [UCS 290904] X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: SysLog X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: Marking Spam - Subject (UCS) [02-08-04] X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 2.0.0 [0125], KAS/Release cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Home Network, step by step? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:12:01 -0000 On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, R. Scott Kennan wrote: > One other thing I don't understand is why I'm being told to install > the firewall in this context; are firewalls more than just an > intrusion countermeasure? Do they do any 'lifting' on a network beyond > blocking unauthorised transfers? They do now. Partly in response to cleverer security threats, and partly as a convergence between routing and firewalling, most modern firewalls - like ipf and pf in FreeBSD - are now not so much firewalls, but packet filters. They have the ability to inspect and modify any packets going in any direction on various interfaces. This makes them an invaluable tool on routers in any environment (except, perhaps, Internet core routers, but they're another case entirely). By the way, someone up the thread a bit recommended you start running IPFW (IPFIREWALL). While I'm not currently in a position to give you instructions as detailed as James did, I would recommend you start with either ipf or pf. IPFW is much older and is somewhat less well maintained, the documentation in particular. >From the Handbook's IPFW Chapter... http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls-ipfw.html "The IPFW stateless rule syntax is empowered with technically sophisticated selection capabilities which far surpasses the knowledge level of the customary firewall installer. IPFW is targeted at the professional user or the advanced technical computer hobbyist who have advanced packet selection requirements." (Proper use of freebsd-newbies@ approaching!) I've had superb results with pf (although for full effect, it will require a kernel rebuild). The pf documentation at OpenBSD is very well written and easy to follow. Setting up NAT can be a somewhat daunting task (personally, I do it at home with Windows' ICS, which is an absolute no-brainer) - however, once you get it working it is extremely useful. Best of luck! (I really should get back to work - if I can get my system at home logged on to the 'net I'll try and run you through the basics of setting it up if you still need it.) Cheers, David Adam --- zanchey@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Medicine: And you thought hacking computers was complex. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 15 01:46:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C593916A4CE; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:46:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from S2.cableone.net (smtp2.cableone.net [24.116.0.228]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55ACB43D1F; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:46:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from v.velox@vvelox.net) Received: from fennec.24-119-122-191.cpe.cableone.net (unverified [24.119.123.89]) by S2.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S2) with ESMTP id 4026012 for multiple; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:00:46 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:46:30 -0600 From: Vulpes Velox To: Kevin Smith Message-ID: <20041214174630.01692883@fennec.24-119-122-191.cpe.cableone.net> In-Reply-To: <41BFFED6.7030006@adelphia.net> References: <41BFFED6.7030006@adelphia.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.13 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: video capture and editing suggestions please X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:46:25 -0000 On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:07:34 -0800 Kevin Smith wrote: > If anyone is interested in sharing experiences in the > state-of-the-art of video capture and editing on freebsd 5.X please > feel free to email me or respond to this thread. I am interested > hearing about suggested interfaces for video capture from a dv > camera and software editing packages. What are people using ? There are a few things out there for grabbing the dv streams... there is one in the base iirc... For editing DV, I would suggest kino... if you are converting to avi and working on it from there, I suggest avidemux. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 15 02:32:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B9E16A4CE for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 02:32:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92.asp.att.net [63.240.76.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30FAB43D39 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 02:32:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92) with ESMTP id <20041215023211i92002asg7e>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 02:32:12 +0000 Message-ID: <41BFA22A.6090201@nbritton.org> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:32:10 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kiffin Gish References: <000101c4e215$2cdfedc0$9900000a@ZGISH> In-Reply-To: <000101c4e215$2cdfedc0$9900000a@ZGISH> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Root directory filling up... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 02:32:13 -0000 Kiffin Gish wrote: >Wow, that seems like a lot of work. Suppose instead I choose just to >reinstall everything all over again... > >What stuff do I need to save and restore later so that I don't have to >reinstall all my applications all over again (Internet, mail, gnome, >x-windows)? > >Like the /etc/* , etc. Is there a standard way to do this? > > > Yes you could save everything in /etc, but most of it you don't need, "tar -czf /home/etc.tar /etc" ---------- Save any files you changed in /etc, save rc.conf in /etc, and possibly hosts and resolv.conf Save all your personal data i.g. your "home" and roots directory if you have custom conf files for programs save them, i.g. samba's conf file etc. if you have custom conf files in /usr/local/etc/ save them if you have custom scripts in /usr/local/etc/rc.d save them save your Xorg config file (man xorg.conf) save /boot/loader.conf save a copy of the dmesg output... "dmesg >> /home/dmesg" basically save anything that you have made or edited I highly recommend starting a log/notes/diary for all this stuff; special settings, hard to remember commands, tips/tricks, special/complex procedures, advice etc. if you reinstall everything you'll have to rebuild/install all your ports/packages that you installed (you could backup/restore everything but that will be just as hard and time consuming) most of the configuration data for these programs (like gnome etc) are stored in your home directory so you would restore you home directory to the new install to get those settings back. by the looks of it (/dev/ad0s4d 7.4G 5.9M 6.8G 0% /home) id just tarball and gzip the whole thing. tar -czf home.tar /home then move all the saved files/data from you old install (that you backed up, off of the hard drive, because your going to wipe it clean again) to the new install: mkdir /tmp/olddata mv foo /tmp/olddata then to restore it cd into /usr and do something like this tar -zxvf /tmp/olddata/home.tar make sure to recreate everything as much as possible during the new install, i.g. make the same users (with the same passwords) on the new install etc., postinstall settings like setting up network card etc. and installed programs (you can get a complete list of all the programs installed using pkg_info, "pkg_info >> /home/pkg_info") if you do this then you shouldn't need to restore the files in /etc (unless you made special or manual changes to them etc. you can use diff to check if the files are the same and if there not what needs to be add to them, you'd do it kinda like this diff /tmp/olddata/etc/rc.conf /etc/rc.conf diff /tmp/olddata/boot/loader.conf /boot/loader.conf Here is a basic list of all the commands & stuff you should learn before starting your adventure, read the man pages ("man foo") for very detailed info, most of which you don't need to know or memorize, just get familiar with the basics and what each thing does: cd, pwd, su, cp, ln, mv, tar, gzip, mkdir, whatis, grep, diff, rm, dmesg, more, ee, echo, how and when to use ">", ">>", "|", "*" (pipes, redirectors, and wildcards), whatis, how to use the scroll lock key to scroll up/down at the console, man, woman, chmod, chown, ls / ll / ls -d foo*, how to switch between virtual consoles aka Alt. plus F1 though F8, rc.conf, loader.conf, "Metasyntactic variables" i.g. what someone means when they say foo or foobar etc., whatis, whereis, find, mount / umount. Learning these basic commands will help you in all future expeditions into the UNIX system. !!The two most important commands to master and remember are "whatis" and "man"!! The following links will help you understand all (with the help of the man pages and google) of the stuff I'm talking about: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/consoles.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/permissions.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/disk-organization.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/dirstructure.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mount-unmount.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/editors.html http://wks.uts.ohio-state.edu/unix_course/intro-18.html#HEADING18-0 http://wks.uts.ohio-state.edu/unix_course/intro-24.html#HEADING24-0 http://wks.uts.ohio-state.edu/unix_course/intro-32.html#HEADING32-0 http://wks.uts.ohio-state.edu/unix_course/intro-17.html#HEADING17-0 http://wks.uts.ohio-state.edu/unix_course/intro-14.html#HEADING14-0 http://wks.uts.ohio-state.edu/unix_course/intro-67.html#HEADING67-0 http://wks.uts.ohio-state.edu/unix_course/intro-70.html#HEADING70-0 http://wks.uts.ohio-state.edu/unix_course/intro-71.html#HEADING71-0 http://wks.uts.ohio-state.edu/unix_course/intro-74.html#HEADING74-0 http://wks.uts.ohio-state.edu/unix_course/intro-81.html#HEADING81-0 http://wks.uts.ohio-state.edu/unix_course/intro-86.html#HEADING86-0 http://wks.uts.ohio-state.edu/unix_course/intro-137.html#HEADING137-0 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 15 03:28:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC9C16A4CE for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 03:28:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nuumen.pair.com (nuumen.pair.com [209.68.1.119]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D12543D48 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 03:28:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from thuppi@nuumen.pair.com) Received: (qmail 73136 invoked by uid 55300); 15 Dec 2004 03:28:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:28:08 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Huppi X-X-Sender: thuppi@nuumen.pair.com To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <41BFA22A.6090201@nbritton.org> Message-ID: References: <000101c4e215$2cdfedc0$9900000a@ZGISH> <41BFA22A.6090201@nbritton.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: notes and/or RCS (was:Re: Root directory filling up... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 03:28:09 -0000 On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Nikolas Britton wrote: > Kiffin Gish wrote: > > >Wow, that seems like a lot of work. Suppose instead I choose just to > >reinstall everything all over again... > save a copy of the dmesg output... "dmesg >> /home/dmesg" > > basically save anything that you have made or edited > > I highly recommend starting a log/notes/diary for all this stuff; > special settings, hard to remember commands, tips/tricks, > special/complex procedures, advice etc. One might also consider using RCS for most config file edits. I, like many folks, started out using a series of notes. After a time I learned some simple RCS based tricks and now tend to use them (actually, I do it habitually and religiously.) The thing that is really nice is a single command line that shows all the files edited, what, when, where, and why (depending on input.) I wish I had started doing this earlier in my unix work, and probably would have had I run across these instructions: Quick: http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/perl/sysadmin/appa_01.htm More Detailed (what I used): http://www.samag.com/documents/s=1184/sam9812a/ FreeBSD has RCS in the base system, so forget the 'installing RCS' part. Advantages (for a newbie, accd to me): - becomes pretty mechanical - teaches basics of RCS which helps understand CVS better. - some of the 'tricks' help understand more general unix tricks. - teaches about various gotchas (see below): Gotchas (that I've run into): - some files are automatically edited like: - /etc/groups (when installing certain ports) - /etc/reslov.conf (by ppp software) this causes a hassle. Just don't use RCS on them, but it's a learning process to figure out which ones are in this category, and can be a head-scratcher when it does cause a problem. - forgetting to unlock a file after editing. It's tempting to see if an edit works before committing it, and easy to forget which causes a hassle when... - 'logname' issues: ...you might su, edit a file, neglect to unlock it, re-boot, then find your logname when logged on as root is not the same as when you su'd so you have to break 'someone elses' lock. Not a big deal, but a hassle non-the-less. Thanks, - Tom From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 15 05:10:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5C716A4CE for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 05:10:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE1143D1F for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 05:10:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:08:43 -0600 Message-ID: <41BFC768.3010105@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:11:04 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kiffin Gish References: <000101c4e215$2cdfedc0$9900000a@ZGISH> In-Reply-To: <000101c4e215$2cdfedc0$9900000a@ZGISH> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2004 05:08:44.0056 (UTC) FILETIME=[264F6180:01C4E264] cc: 'Nikolas Britton' cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Root directory filling up... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 05:10:45 -0000 Kiffin Gish wrote: >Wow, that seems like a lot of work. Suppose instead I choose just to >reinstall everything all over again... > > > Your choice, of course. Might be good for learning; practice is still somewhat equal to repetition. I'm not so sure that hack #1 (mv a few things from / to /usr and symlink) is really so difficult, nor a lot of work. You could move /usr/ports, /usr/src, and all of /var to your big partition right now with 7 commands in console. I'd do it in a heartbeat if I didn't want to reinstall stuff. The main problem with it --- it is exactly what I called it --- a hack --- you might even use the term "kluge". There are better ways, one of which is probably the Right Thing(tm). Quite possibly, the Right Thing(tm) is growfs(8). That's one of the problems with asking about things like this on "newbies@". There are only a few of us around, and we aren't the most experienced kids on the block. Probably if you'd go over to questions and say "I partitioned my HDD thus-and-so and now I find that I don't have enough space on /" you'd get some good advice about doing the Right Thing(tm) and only a couple of "RTFM" responses... >What stuff do I need to save and restore later so that I don't have to >reinstall all my applications all over again (Internet, mail, gnome, >x-windows)? > >Like the /etc/* , etc. Is there a standard way to do this? > > If you've got someplace to put the stuff, dump(8) and restore(8) are probably the tools of choice. Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 15 05:23:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A264D16A4CE for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 05:23:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B3743D39 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 05:23:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:21:42 -0600 Message-ID: <41BFCA74.3090206@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:24:04 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <003b01c4e19c$c1a54c80$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> <41BE8303.5060401@nbritton.org> <008d01c4e1a7$e3b8e5b0$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> <41BEC5A1.2040302@nbritton.org> <20041214134101.6dc59ff6@agnes.myhome.net> In-Reply-To: <20041214134101.6dc59ff6@agnes.myhome.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2004 05:21:46.0087 (UTC) FILETIME=[F86FD770:01C4E265] Subject: Re: RELENG_5 vs. RELENG_5_3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 05:23:46 -0000 Lute Mullenix wrote: >On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 04:51:13 -0600 >Nikolas Britton insisted: > >{trimmed for space} > > >>YES!, Its still a tad ruff around the edges but you have to remember >>that FreeBSD (and the other BSDs) has very high standards when it comes >>to system stability, uptime is measured in years not months or days, so >>if they say its ready for production use then it is, also, FreeBSD 5.x >>as a chicken and the egg problem, it needs more people using it to work >>out those ruff edges, but everyone "thinks" it not "ready" so they go >>with 4.x thus adding to problem. Being that FreeBSD 5 is already at 5.3 >>were sorta at the now or never point, its time for everyone to just grin >>and bear it so we can get this show on the road. >> >>If you don't believe me that FreeBSD works like "running water" then >>have a look at this, all 50 spots are held by *BSD: >>http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html >> >> > >I have to agree, I have been running 5.3 since it was RELEASEd, and it's >been totally stable, the only real complaint is, that I am having some >problems with port builds. The main one being the panel on xfce4, (sigh) >my preferred desk top. But sound worked right out of the box, and after a >bit of wrestling got Xorg up and running. The only time it's been down has >been for the required reboot for the couple of security updates it's had >so far. > >It would be good if people who put more demands on the OS than I do would >use it so any other quirks can be rooted out. In the mean time I will just >use blackbox and keep hoping for the panel on xfce4 to get fixed. On the >other hand I have no intention of ditching FBSD or regressing to an >earlier version. It's working and I can live with it knowing there are >smarter people than me out there making it work better. > > Let's remember that -STABLE implies not system stability (as Nick says, that's pretty much a 'given'), but a stable *codebase*. 5.X has been running great for me since August 2003; but those of us who adopted 5.X prior to the end of July had to rebuild a big bunch of stuff when the new GCC was added to the system. That's "unstable" ... something came into the source tree that broke a whole bunch of other stuff. Any committer who does something like that in RELENG_5, now that it's been proclaimed -STABLE, is quite likely to be crucified or smothered in penguin feathers or sold to Microsoft or something .... Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 15 12:12:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE55916A4CE for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:12:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D2C43D54 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:12:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xinizul@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 70so55383wra for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 04:12:53 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fQ/8OgwI6iJ/MDjMA1idx45C7Dxu85Odwz0nKIVTYg1wIKoqQYnwGMOoURC6QLy008yx4fteeDpTNGGkGnAopppUS3NOEstKo/bkg2AOX0oaze0BdpJaXwO6BKbmm00K1VhhtqCxQwey6ZRXi5IxxkdtmRszjKZ09cuffk9MIKI= Received: by 10.54.23.8 with SMTP id 8mr1774839wrw; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 04:12:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.22.78 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 04:12:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4d07305604121504122ac8f837@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:12:53 +0100 From: Xinizul Xinizul To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: makein ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Xinizul Xinizul List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:12:55 -0000 Hello all I 'm realiced when I install some port I always receive this warning: ==> Vulenerability check disabled; database not found. I'm using RELEASE 5.3 ... with standard settings. Is something wrong inmy system ? Thanks a lot, Xinizul From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 15 13:21:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C12216A4CE for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:21:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92.asp.att.net [63.240.76.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3123943D58 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:21:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92) with ESMTP id <20041215132121i92002avh6e>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:21:21 +0000 Message-ID: <41C03A50.4080900@nbritton.org> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:21:20 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Xinizul Xinizul References: <4d07305604121504122ac8f837@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4d07305604121504122ac8f837@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: makein ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:21:22 -0000 Xinizul Xinizul wrote: >Hello all > >I 'm realiced when I install some port I always receive this warning: > >==> Vulenerability check disabled; database not found. > >I'm using RELEASE 5.3 ... with standard settings. > >Is something wrong inmy system ? > >Thanks a lot, > >Xinizul >_______________________________________________ > > I forget what makes it do that (think its when you cvsup new ports) but this is normal, nothing is wrong with your system From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 15 15:52:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4FB216A4CE for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:52:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C8343D49 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:52:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ml-freebsd-newbies@codepad.net) Received: from [80.229.159.44] (helo=[192.168.0.4]) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CebSM-000JRp-H0 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:52:50 +0000 From: Xian To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:52:49 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <4d07305604121504122ac8f837@mail.gmail.com> <41C03A50.4080900@nbritton.org> In-Reply-To: <41C03A50.4080900@nbritton.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200412151552.49277.ml-freebsd-newbies@codepad.net> Subject: Re: makein ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:52:56 -0000 On Wednesday 15 December 2004 13:21, Nikolas Britton wrote: > Xinizul Xinizul wrote: > >Hello all > > > >I 'm realiced when I install some port I always receive this warning: > > > >==> Vulenerability check disabled; database not found. > > > >I'm using RELEASE 5.3 ... with standard settings. > > > >Is something wrong inmy system ? > > > >Thanks a lot, > > > >Xinizul > >_______________________________________________ > > I forget what makes it do that (think its when you cvsup new ports) but > this is normal, nothing is wrong with your system > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" What does the vulenerability check do when it does work? -- /Xian "C lets you shoot yourself in the foot. C++ lets you reuse the bullet" Unknown Author From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 15 16:24:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9599516A4CE for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:24:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F33243D54 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:24:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from geekout@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 55so128786wri for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:24:16 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=qYVH7XXtgBRjqceS8wRC9N3tHVy6fExWpMlq50PluLUl0zVbRBuJcnyjb36fbmxppTCbqv4y4NCCce7rm7vvsxeRNlDMCJVRJtS9NJ8TA8ikZDqR+tPIqsPthyJ/pjFD371ie6s9hwceFfZD6IagSBz1zkrmBzp0bsoXwyTHzOg= Received: by 10.54.56.47 with SMTP id e47mr68587wra; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:24:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.46.34 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:24:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6e01203b041215082450e6f894@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:24:16 -0700 From: Tyler Gee To: David Adam In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41BDC787.40000@daleco.biz> cc: "R. Scott Kennan" cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Home Network, step by step? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tyler Gee List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:24:17 -0000 I would also recommend going with pf. As David said, the documentation is fantastic, it can do a myriad of things and is (IMO) quickly going to become the standard. The pf documentation includes three common scenarios, one of which is a home network with port forwarding, so you shouldn't have problems. Also, check out bsdforums.org and just do a search and you will find a lot of things. -wtgee On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:11:32 +0800 (WST), David Adam wrote: > On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, R. Scott Kennan wrote: > > > One other thing I don't understand is why I'm being told to install > > the firewall in this context; are firewalls more than just an > > intrusion countermeasure? Do they do any 'lifting' on a network beyond > > blocking unauthorised transfers? > > They do now. > > Partly in response to cleverer security threats, and partly as a > convergence between routing and firewalling, most modern firewalls - like > ipf and pf in FreeBSD - are now not so much firewalls, but packet filters. > They have the ability to inspect and modify any packets going in any > direction on various interfaces. This makes them an invaluable tool on > routers in any environment (except, perhaps, Internet core routers, but > they're another case entirely). > > By the way, someone up the thread a bit recommended you start running > IPFW (IPFIREWALL). While I'm not currently in a position to give you > instructions as detailed as James did, I would recommend you start with > either ipf or pf. IPFW is much older and is somewhat less well maintained, > the documentation in particular. > > >From the Handbook's IPFW Chapter... > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls-ipfw.html > > "The IPFW stateless rule syntax is empowered with technically > sophisticated selection capabilities which far surpasses the knowledge > level of the customary firewall installer. IPFW is targeted at the > professional user or the advanced technical computer hobbyist who have > advanced packet selection requirements." > > (Proper use of freebsd-newbies@ approaching!) > > I've had superb results with pf (although for full effect, it will require > a kernel rebuild). The pf documentation at OpenBSD is very well written > and easy to follow. Setting up NAT can be a somewhat daunting task > (personally, I do it at home with Windows' ICS, which is an absolute > no-brainer) - however, once you get it working it is extremely useful. > > Best of luck! (I really should get back to work - if I can get my system > at home logged on to the 'net I'll try and run you through the basics of > setting it up if you still need it.) > > Cheers, > > David Adam > --- > zanchey@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > Medicine: And you thought hacking computers was complex. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 15 17:54:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7829F16A4CE for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:54:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2795F43D45 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:54:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:54:38 -0600 Message-ID: <41C07A6E.3070806@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:54:54 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Xian References: <4d07305604121504122ac8f837@mail.gmail.com> <41C03A50.4080900@nbritton.org> <200412151552.49277.ml-freebsd-newbies@codepad.net> In-Reply-To: <200412151552.49277.ml-freebsd-newbies@codepad.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2004 17:54:38.0655 (UTC) FILETIME=[2562B4F0:01C4E2CF] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: makein ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:54:33 -0000 Xian wrote: >On Wednesday 15 December 2004 13:21, Nikolas Britton wrote: > > >>Xinizul Xinizul wrote: >> >> >>>Hello all >>> >>>I 'm realiced when I install some port I always receive this warning: >>> >>>==> Vulenerability check disabled; database not found. >>> >>>I'm using RELEASE 5.3 ... with standard settings. >>> >>>Is something wrong inmy system ? >>> >>>Thanks a lot, >>> >>>Xinizul >>>_______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>I forget what makes it do that (think its when you cvsup new ports) but >>this is normal, nothing is wrong with your system >> >> >What does the vulenerability check do when it does work? > > The "vulnerability check" is part of the portaudit port (/usr/ports/security/portaudit); if you install it, you won't see this particular message anymore; it will give you other messages though, if the port has been found to have a vulnerability issue. IIRC, "portaudit" checks an xml data feed/page someplace to see if the port has any recent security advisories. It might have been a brainchild of Colin Percival, (also If I Recall Correctly), who's been busy of late trying to create some alternative methods for doing some of the updating and security chores we all need to be doing.... HTH, Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 15 17:58:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767BB16A4D0 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:58:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15C0E43D54 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:58:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:58:42 -0600 Message-ID: <41C07B62.4060003@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:58:58 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Adam References: <41BDC787.40000@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2004 17:58:42.0727 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6DD2370:01C4E2CF] cc: "R. Scott Kennan" cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Home Network, step by step? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:58:37 -0000 David Adam wrote: >On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, R. Scott Kennan wrote: > > > >>One other thing I don't understand is why I'm being told to install >>the firewall in this context; are firewalls more than just an >>intrusion countermeasure? Do they do any 'lifting' on a network beyond >>blocking unauthorised transfers? >> >> > >They do now. > > There is also a practical reason for this. ipfw(8) is actually the control program for the firewall and the traffic shaper, hence you must use that interface to add the rule for natd(8) to your configuration. Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 15 21:55:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5F516A4CE for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:55:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gatekeeper.ptitoliv.net (gatekeeper.ptitoliv.net [213.41.155.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5FD43D45 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:55:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ptitoliv@frenchsuballiance.cjb.net) Received: from frenchsuballiance.cjb.net (misato.ptitoliv.lan [192.168.1.1]) iBFMt89E000919 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:55:09 +0100 Message-ID: <41C0B337.1070300@frenchsuballiance.cjb.net> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:57:11 +0100 From: ptitoliv User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/630/Tue Dec 14 23:26:33 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on gatekeeper.ptitoliv.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: mergmaster and /etc/master.passwd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:55:27 -0000 Hi everybody, I am trying to upgrade my FreeBSD box from 5.2.1 to 5.3. All the building operations were successful and the kernel installation too. So following the handbook, i made the mergemaster in order to merge configurations files. But I have a problem about merging /etc/master.passwd. I saw that there were new systems accounts in RELENG_5.3 but I have my propers accounts which I don't want to loose. So my question is : how to merge correctly and properly the /etc/master.passwd file. I saw in the help of mergemaster the v options which allows to include common files but it doesn't seems to work. Does anybody can help me in order to make this merge safely ? Thank you for your answers Best Regards, Ptitoliv From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 15 22:24:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7041616A4CE for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:24:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E8443D4C for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:24:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:24:38 -0600 Message-ID: <41C0B9A7.4050509@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:24:39 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ptitoliv References: <41C0B337.1070300@frenchsuballiance.cjb.net> In-Reply-To: <41C0B337.1070300@frenchsuballiance.cjb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2004 22:24:39.0548 (UTC) FILETIME=[DDDECBC0:01C4E2F4] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mergmaster and /etc/master.passwd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:24:18 -0000 ptitoliv wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I am trying to upgrade my FreeBSD box from 5.2.1 to 5.3. All the > building operations were successful and the kernel installation > too. So following the handbook, i made the mergemaster in order > to merge configurations files. But I have a problem about merging > /etc/master.passwd. I saw that there were new systems accounts > in RELENG_5.3 but I have my propers accounts which I don't want > to loose. So my question is : how to merge correctly and properly > the /etc/master.passwd file. I saw in the help of mergemaster the v > options which allows to include common files but it doesn't seems to > work. > > Does anybody can help me in order to make this merge safely ? > > Thank you for your answers > > Best Regards, > Ptitoliv [BTW, this really belongs on questions@freebsd.org ... ] If in doubt, it's probably best to do the merging by hand. Make a backup of your current passwd file, and edit the passwd file, including the new system accounts in the "temporary" version of master.passwd (which should be under /var/tmp/temproot/etc/). This is essentially what mergemaster does anyway, but it's not automatic and therefore under your control. If you wish to actually use mergemaster to do this, you'll wish to answer "m" (for *merge*) when it asks you what to do for this file. It will then display the two files, yours and the new one, line by line, in a sort of "split screen" mode. Simply answer "r" or "l" to say "use the right hand version of this line" or "use the lefthand version of this line". Since your user accounts aren't in the new default version, you should be able to pick your accounts easily, because you'll have a choice between your account names and some blank lines. But it's still a good idea to have a backup. And be sure and take a look at the finished product before you reboot ;-). HTH, Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 16 16:07:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3170916A4CE for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:07:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web80807.mail.yahoo.com (web80807.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.170.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0FD9F43D2D for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:07:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cmc3list-bsd@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20041216160738.14904.qmail@web80807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.35.232.241] by web80807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:07:38 PST Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:07:38 -0800 (PST) From: To: FreeBSD Newbies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: freebsd-users list X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: cmc3list-bsd@yahoo.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:07:39 -0000 I've put together a small FreeBSD users list called freebsd-users. This list is not designed to compete with any of the official FreeBSD lists, just a small community of people who use FreeBSD. Think of it as the user's group your town doesn't have :-). The list is informal and topics are open, hopefully will help people learn more about FreeBSD and get more out of it, make some friends. To subscribe: http://www.whee.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-users Thanks ===== Christopher Mark Conn http://storm.cadcam.iupui.edu/~cmcgoat Austin, Texas, USA From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 16 16:14:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5859B16A4CF for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:14:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2BBE43D2D for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:14:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remyheiden@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so1403991rng for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:14:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=jD2+kbywTZX1ihfZO47BbQ02cF+7+dnqiLxa6FpKJpU8v4OBLxDcivF7qWBye5OXj7I57QpPW33tHOancid+l3IluYV4CXURkYU/pSa8onPdtXcP80z0kPImolT1t3gSbGrG3txK20/FfR6bS0zqqC8KzBVtvekT2DUpnoZL3XA= Received: by 10.38.10.73 with SMTP id 73mr1612499rnj; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:14:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.22.41 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:14:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:14:21 +0100 From: Remy Heiden To: FreeBSD Newbies In-Reply-To: <20041216160738.14904.qmail@web80807.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041216160738.14904.qmail@web80807.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: freebsd-users list X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Remy Heiden List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:14:25 -0000 On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:07:38 -0800 (PST), cmc3list-bsd@yahoo.com wrote: > I've put together a small FreeBSD users list > called freebsd-users. This list is not designed > to compete with any of the official FreeBSD lists, > just a small community of people who use FreeBSD. > > Think of it as the user's group your town doesn't > have :-). The list is informal and topics are open, > hopefully will help people learn more about FreeBSD > and get more out of it, make some friends. > > To subscribe: > http://www.whee.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-users > > Thanks > > ===== > Christopher Mark Conn > http://storm.cadcam.iupui.edu/~cmcgoat > Austin, Texas, USA > _______________________________________________ I don't want to offend anyone, but personally I think there are already way too many FBSD lists already. It's confusing. Remy -- What do you mean, I ain't kind? Just not your kind! -- D. Mustaine -- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 16 18:41:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F20616A4CE for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:41:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lakermmtao04.cox.net (lakermmtao04.cox.net [68.230.240.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9672343D49 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:41:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from dolphin.local.net ([68.11.30.50]) by lakermmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP <20041216184143.FJFI22354.lakermmtao04.cox.net@dolphin.local.net>; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:41:43 -0500 Received: from dolphin.local.net (localhost.local.net [127.0.0.1]) by dolphin.local.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBGIfhNr095207; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:41:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:41:37 -0600 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: Lute Mullenix Message-ID: <20041216124137.1c6a1a03@dolphin.local.net> In-Reply-To: <20041214134101.6dc59ff6@agnes.myhome.net> References: <003b01c4e19c$c1a54c80$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> <41BE8303.5060401@nbritton.org> <008d01c4e1a7$e3b8e5b0$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> <41BEC5A1.2040302@nbritton.org> <20041214134101.6dc59ff6@agnes.myhome.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.13 (GTK+ 1.2.10; amd64-portbld-freebsd6.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RELENG_5 vs. RELENG_5_3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:41:45 -0000 On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:41:01 -0600, Lute Mullenix wrote: > I have to agree, I have been running 5.3 since it was RELEASEd, and > it's been totally stable, the only real complaint is, that I am having > some problems with port builds. The main one being the panel on xfce4, > (sigh) my preferred desk top. Have you posted to the questions list about this? If not, perhaps you should, with the specific details of what problems you're seeing when you try to install. -- Conrad J. Sabatier -- "In Unix veritas" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 16 19:41:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC21B16A4CE for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:41:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from safeco.hostingservice.net (safeco.hostingservice.net [209.150.128.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A4943D53 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:41:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from adam@jamradar.com) Received: from PANASONIULSWMR (c-67-176-199-73.client.comcast.net [67.176.199.73])iBGJf8i06038 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:41:08 -0600 Message-ID: <003701c4e3a7$2f37b4c0$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> From: "Adam" To: Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:41:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Can't SU to Root on Telent X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:41:09 -0000 I set up my first server and enabled telent. It's all on a closed = network so I'm not worried about security. I just want to practice = stuff. When I try to login in a root with the correct password, I get "Login = Incorrect". I expect this is happening because 'root' isn't allowed = remote access. So when I login as a normal user, I try to "su" and I get "su: Sorry". = Do I have to set some special permissions for this? Thanks From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 16 19:43:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72B816A4CE for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:43:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.mi.celestial.com (dagney.celestial.com [192.136.111.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 623D243D48 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:43:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bill@celestial.com) Received: by mail.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203) id 1F32611E8D7; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:43:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:43:35 -0800 From: Bill Campbell To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20041216194335.GA91562@alexis.mi.celestial.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <003701c4e3a7$2f37b4c0$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <003701c4e3a7$2f37b4c0$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Can't SU to Root on Telent X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:43:35 -0000 On Thu, Dec 16, 2004, Adam wrote: >I set up my first server and enabled telent. It's all on a closed network >so I'm not worried about security. I just want to practice stuff. >When I try to login in a root with the correct password, I get "Login >Incorrect". I expect this is happening because 'root' isn't allowed remote >access. >So when I login as a normal user, I try to "su" and I get "su: Sorry". Do >I have to set some special permissions for this? Off the top of my head, I think you need to be a member of the ``wheel'' group to su to root. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied them the usual way. This happens to us all the time with computers, and nobody thinks of complaining. -- Jef Raskin http://jefraskin.com/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 16 19:51:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D6016A4CE for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:51:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from safeco.hostingservice.net (safeco.hostingservice.net [209.150.128.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF9343D31 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:51:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from adam@jamradar.com) Received: from PANASONIULSWMR (c-67-176-199-73.client.comcast.net [67.176.199.73])iBGJpmi08908; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:51:48 -0600 Message-ID: <004b01c4e3a8$ac6e57e0$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> From: "Adam" To: , References: <003701c4e3a7$2f37b4c0$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> <20041216194335.GA91562@alexis.mi.celestial.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:51:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Subject: Re: Can't SU to Root on Telent X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:51:53 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Campbell" To: Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Can't SU to Root on Telent > On Thu, Dec 16, 2004, Adam wrote: > > >I set up my first server and enabled telent. It's all on a closed network > >so I'm not worried about security. I just want to practice stuff. > > >When I try to login in a root with the correct password, I get "Login > >Incorrect". I expect this is happening because 'root' isn't allowed remote > >access. > > >So when I login as a normal user, I try to "su" and I get "su: Sorry". Do > >I have to set some special permissions for this? > > Off the top of my head, I think you need to be a member of the > ``wheel'' group to su to root. > > Bill > -- > INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC > UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way > FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 > URL: http://www.celestial.com/ > > Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied them the usual > way. This happens to us all the time with computers, and nobody thinks of > complaining. > -- Jef Raskin http://jefraskin.com/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I thought I set that up. How do I check if a user is a member of wheel? If not how do I add them to that group? Thanks From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 16 19:57:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8515F16A4CE for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:57:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A4143D31 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:57:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from geekout@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so408130wri for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:57:56 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=iCUINIjqI4xMSIA50pE+Q8U32Thh8mCkr6KxHW2qZsk1u5aOBndmyvc52lv2a7oXBjdrfp26boQFEp2yXv/a6GnshIppOl9TEb/ucfphpyCszSSgeeMaApZnlI30G3PqTsCk/l1YAt4QXTyPJ1au5v8cFQO/UnAlawkgv76Qr9U= Received: by 10.54.8.59 with SMTP id 59mr1309410wrh; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:57:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.46.34 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:57:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6e01203b04121611571f8fdc6f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:57:36 -0700 From: Tyler Gee To: Adam In-Reply-To: <004b01c4e3a8$ac6e57e0$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <003701c4e3a7$2f37b4c0$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> <20041216194335.GA91562@alexis.mi.celestial.com> <004b01c4e3a8$ac6e57e0$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> cc: freebsd@celestial.com cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can't SU to Root on Telent X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tyler Gee List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:57:57 -0000 Are you sure you want to be using telnet? I know that you are not worried about security but it is probably not a good habit to get into. You can just as easily set up ssh and use that and it can do everything telnet can do. My feeling is that telnet has probably disabled root always, no matter what. That is how I would do it anyway. -wtgee On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:51:40 -0600, Adam wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Campbell" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 1:43 PM > Subject: Re: Can't SU to Root on Telent > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2004, Adam wrote: > > > > >I set up my first server and enabled telent. It's all on a closed > network > > >so I'm not worried about security. I just want to practice stuff. > > > > >When I try to login in a root with the correct password, I get "Login > > >Incorrect". I expect this is happening because 'root' isn't allowed > remote > > >access. > > > > >So when I login as a normal user, I try to "su" and I get "su: Sorry". > Do > > >I have to set some special permissions for this? > > > > Off the top of my head, I think you need to be a member of the > > ``wheel'' group to su to root. > > > > Bill > > -- > > INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC > > UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way > > FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) > 236-1676 > > URL: http://www.celestial.com/ > > > > Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied them the usual > > way. This happens to us all the time with computers, and nobody thinks of > > complaining. > > -- Jef Raskin http://jefraskin.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > I thought I set that up. How do I check if a user is a member of wheel? If > not how do I add them to that group? > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 16 20:03:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7055816A4CE for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:03:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from safeco.hostingservice.net (safeco.hostingservice.net [209.150.128.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 085C943D1F for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:03:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from adam@jamradar.com) Received: from PANASONIULSWMR (c-67-176-199-73.client.comcast.net [67.176.199.73])iBGK3WI13975; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:03:32 -0600 Message-ID: <005b01c4e3aa$505d8c30$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> From: "Adam" To: "Tyler Gee" References: <003701c4e3a7$2f37b4c0$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> <20041216194335.GA91562@alexis.mi.celestial.com> <004b01c4e3a8$ac6e57e0$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> <6e01203b04121611571f8fdc6f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:03:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 cc: freebsd@celestial.com cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can't SU to Root on Telent X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:03:36 -0000 I wsa having problems setting up ssh, I really have no idea on how SSH works and the tutorial I used wasn't working. I don't know if it's my terminual (SSHTerm from 3sp dot com) or my server setup. I just think I did something wrong. I'm just trying to go fast here. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyler Gee" To: "Adam" Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Can't SU to Root on Telent > Are you sure you want to be using telnet? I know that you are not > worried about security but it is probably not a good habit to get > into. You can just as easily set up ssh and use that and it can do > everything telnet can do. > > My feeling is that telnet has probably disabled root always, no matter > what. That is how I would do it anyway. > > -wtgee > > > On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:51:40 -0600, Adam wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Campbell" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 1:43 PM > > Subject: Re: Can't SU to Root on Telent > > > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2004, Adam wrote: > > > > > > >I set up my first server and enabled telent. It's all on a closed > > network > > > >so I'm not worried about security. I just want to practice stuff. > > > > > > >When I try to login in a root with the correct password, I get "Login > > > >Incorrect". I expect this is happening because 'root' isn't allowed > > remote > > > >access. > > > > > > >So when I login as a normal user, I try to "su" and I get "su: Sorry". > > Do > > > >I have to set some special permissions for this? > > > > > > Off the top of my head, I think you need to be a member of the > > > ``wheel'' group to su to root. > > > > > > Bill > > > -- > > > INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC > > > UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way > > > FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) > > 236-1676 > > > URL: http://www.celestial.com/ > > > > > > Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied them the usual > > > way. This happens to us all the time with computers, and nobody thinks of > > > complaining. > > > -- Jef Raskin http://jefraskin.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > I thought I set that up. How do I check if a user is a member of wheel? If > > not how do I add them to that group? > > > > Thanks > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 16 20:38:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE2716A4CE for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:38:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC1143D1D for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:38:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from geekout@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 55so271755wri for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:38:42 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=LcxeTnK+seN5fhbaMkav4KzSpnihc2G1yOu0yFaJTRjUMi+Oy4eOQt1OwqYU4dT49n9A9fQv/oMmZN+TGR1KhIhUkM1xmX3sY8nrb8piZhOtbD046cZQASAIMTJvRVIIWlHuR3+VOMwipF9jHeowp8NE+mPdaNF/fDEibv/TDxs= Received: by 10.54.42.47 with SMTP id p47mr1147799wrp; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:38:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.46.34 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:38:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6e01203b0412161238e5c3471@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:38:42 -0700 From: Tyler Gee To: Adam , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <006b01c4e3ae$96b05650$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <003701c4e3a7$2f37b4c0$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> <20041216194335.GA91562@alexis.mi.celestial.com> <004b01c4e3a8$ac6e57e0$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> <6e01203b04121611571f8fdc6f@mail.gmail.com> <005b01c4e3aa$505d8c30$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> <6e01203b04121612157950c31b@mail.gmail.com> <006b01c4e3ae$96b05650$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> Subject: Re: Can't SU to Root on Telent X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tyler Gee List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:38:53 -0000 You just use the normal account password and then you can su to root. Later on you would maybe want to use the keys and all that but for this you really shouldn't need to. -wtgee P.S. I accidentaly didn't reply to all so this one is being sent out to everyone again. On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:34:01 -0600, Adam wrote: > Okay I have that enabled, as far as authenticatioun do I use Password or > Private Key or Keyboard Interactive? If it is the private key, where is the > private key stored? > > Thanks > Adam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tyler Gee" > To: "Adam" > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 2:15 PM > Subject: Re: Can't SU to Root on Telent > > > If the server is freebsd all you have to do is put > > > > sshd_enable="YES" > > > > in /etc/rc.conf and then from any other computer you can ssh in. > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/openssh.html > > > > -wtgee > > > > On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:03:25 -0600, Adam wrote: > > > I wsa having problems setting up ssh, I really have no idea on how SSH > works > > > and the tutorial I used wasn't working. I don't know if it's my > terminual > > > (SSHTerm from 3sp dot com) or my server setup. I just think I did > something > > > wrong. I'm just trying to go fast here. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Tyler Gee" > > > To: "Adam" > > > Cc: ; > > > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 1:57 PM > > > Subject: Re: Can't SU to Root on Telent > > > > > > > Are you sure you want to be using telnet? I know that you are not > > > > worried about security but it is probably not a good habit to get > > > > into. You can just as easily set up ssh and use that and it can do > > > > everything telnet can do. > > > > > > > > My feeling is that telnet has probably disabled root always, no matter > > > > what. That is how I would do it anyway. > > > > > > > > -wtgee > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:51:40 -0600, Adam wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Bill Campbell" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 1:43 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: Can't SU to Root on Telent > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2004, Adam wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >I set up my first server and enabled telent. It's all on a > closed > > > > > network > > > > > > >so I'm not worried about security. I just want to practice > stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > >When I try to login in a root with the correct password, I get > "Login > > > > > > >Incorrect". I expect this is happening because 'root' isn't > allowed > > > > > remote > > > > > > >access. > > > > > > > > > > > > >So when I login as a normal user, I try to "su" and I get "su: > > > Sorry". > > > > > Do > > > > > > >I have to set some special permissions for this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Off the top of my head, I think you need to be a member of the > > > > > > ``wheel'' group to su to root. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > -- > > > > > > INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software > LLC > > > > > > UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way > > > > > > FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; > (206) > > > > > 236-1676 > > > > > > URL: http://www.celestial.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied them the > > > usual > > > > > > way. This happens to us all the time with computers, and nobody > > > thinks of > > > > > > complaining. > > > > > > -- Jef Raskin http://jefraskin.com/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > > > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > > > > I thought I set that up. How do I check if a user is a member of > wheel? > > > If > > > > > not how do I add them to that group? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 16 22:42:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B47416A4CE for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:42:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839CC43D45 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:42:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with ESMTP id <20041216224249i9100rff67e>; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:42:49 +0000 Message-ID: <41C20F67.1020908@nbritton.org> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:42:47 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam References: <003701c4e3a7$2f37b4c0$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> <20041216194335.GA91562@alexis.mi.celestial.com> <004b01c4e3a8$ac6e57e0$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> <6e01203b04121611571f8fdc6f@mail.gmail.com> <005b01c4e3aa$505d8c30$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> In-Reply-To: <005b01c4e3aa$505d8c30$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd@celestial.com cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: Tyler Gee Subject: Re: Don't use telnet, use ssh!!! (Can't SU to Root on Telent) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:42:51 -0000 You do not want to get in the habit of using telnet!!! ssh, to sum it up simply, is an encrypted version of telnet. The major flaw with telnet (and ftp) is that it sends everything (including you usernames and passwords) in plain text, It would be very very easy for me to root your box with a simple packet sniffer. I use PuTTY (ssh client) and Filezilla (sftp client) for all my work on windows computers. These programs are both free/open source, lightweight, and are very easy to setup and use for a beginner so give them a try: http://filezilla.sourceforge.net/ http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ When your on a unix computer you use ssh and sftp respectively at the terminal, the basic way they work is like this: ssh username@hostname then enter your password when it asks for it. sftp username@hostname, after you login with sftp type in help for a list of commands, the important ones to remember are; get, put, lls / ls, lcd / cd, lmkdir / mkdir, lpwd / pwd, and quit. the l is for local, as in this effects the local host your on and not the remote host. examples: # ssh nbritton@192.168.0.10 # sftp nbritton@nbritton.org As far as setting up sshd on the server, the only thing you have to do on FreeBSD is add (as root) sshd_enable="YES" to /etc/rc.conf and reboot. And there's only a few thing you need to remember when using ssh and sftp: 1. ssh and sftp work on port 22 2. The SSH2 protocol is better then the SSH1 protocol, use it when possible. 3. You can only login as a normal user and to "su" to root your user has to be in the wheel group. To check if your in the wheel group type in: "id -p", if you don't see wheel under groups then your not in it. To add your user to the wheel or any other groups use this (as root): # pw usermod -n username -G wheel From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 17 04:14:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F1A16A4CE for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 04:14:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D017A43D31 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 04:14:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from thecharmingone@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so17045rng for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:14:53 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:x-mimeole:thread-index:from:message-id; b=cat+Ta2Uk2ciidpJoKfFo6x4IJfD9ciYteHphmf9BwU0vKGxoC9pExSuhcScIh0Ga8gZJkdyFDg0Jc5wtLU6bfqiTy8DYusZ6txYgBcrbg4jCOs2rOU/RJ8IIU+LeaXxkcy0H08yquS3qKGpG01icuy/iTfR3tCIKIWo+ZlFrQo= Received: by 10.38.98.63 with SMTP id v63mr106645rnb; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:14:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from CsDL ([69.140.185.9]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 63sm141350rna.2004.12.16.20.14.52; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:14:52 -0800 (PST) To: Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:14:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcTj7vNE6190VzT/TDyRwT3ZpSMqZA== From: Charming One Message-ID: <41c25d3c.1158cb17.10c9.111d@smtp.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Build World Problem. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 04:14:54 -0000 Greetings, I recently did a world build upgrade from FreeBSD 5.2.1-Release to 6.0-Current. I had a clean kernel build, kernel install, and a clean build world and build install, however when I reboot after installing the world, I get the following error. Init: can't exec getty '/usr/libexec/getty' for port /dev/ttyv(#) No such file or directory. Where # changes based on the line. This error scrolls across the screen several times and I am unable to ever reach a prompt, however if I restart in single user mode I can still mount all my filesystems fine, and such, however I will be the first to admit I have no idea what it would be that I am looking for. This was my first time building an OS from sources, and I didn't have anything important on the computer, so if need be I will install from the cds again, however I would like to know if there is a way to fix this without having to reinstall the system seeing as how I would like to be able to do it again in the future =). Cheers, Jon From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 17 05:46:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E37716A4CE for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 05:46:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.finnovative.net (h204-247-59-114.ncal.verio.net [204.247.59.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AFA43D4C for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 05:46:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linuxuser@finnovative.net) Received: from [192.168.1.88] ([67.170.234.154]) by mail.finnovative.net over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:46:21 -0800 Message-ID: <41C272A5.7000306@finnovative.net> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:46:13 -0800 From: Joaquin Menchaca User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2004 05:46:21.0663 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCC65EF0:01C4E3FB] Subject: What CD to use for installatoin X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 05:46:22 -0000 Hi, There are 4 images, and I am not sure which one to use to start out with: bootonly, miniinst, or disc 1. I read some FreeBSD books, the big orange* one and the brown one**, and from both I cannot find this simple newbie answer. :-) thanks, Joaquin Menchaca * *FreeBSD Unleashed (2nd Edition) *by Brian Tiemann, Michael Urban *** The Complete FreeBSD, Documentation from the Source (4th Edition)* by Greg Lehey From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 17 06:28:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD1E16A4CE for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:28:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fidel.freesurf.fr (fidel.freesurf.fr [212.43.206.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E576F43D3F for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:28:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olivier@gautherot.net) Received: from [212.43.209.55] (du-209-55.nat.adsl.claranet.fr [212.43.209.55]) by fidel.freesurf.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711CA2A5FFC; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:28:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41C27C9D.6000306@gautherot.net> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:28:45 +0100 From: Olivier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041215) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joaquin Menchaca References: <41C272A5.7000306@finnovative.net> In-Reply-To: <41C272A5.7000306@finnovative.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010809060408020504080202" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What CD to use for installatoin X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:28:43 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010809060408020504080202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ji Joaquin! > There are 4 images, and I am not sure which one to use to start out > with: bootonly, miniinst, or disc 1. > I read some FreeBSD books, the big orange* one and the brown one**, > and from both I cannot find this simple newbie answer. :-) Disc 1 sounds like a good start ;-) Olivier --------------010809060408020504080202-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 17 06:45:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B7416A4CE for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:45:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92.asp.att.net [63.240.76.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743F143D45 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:45:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92) with ESMTP id <20041217064519i92002ajk0e>; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:45:19 +0000 Message-ID: <41C2807E.3020301@nbritton.org> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:45:18 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joaquin Menchaca References: <41C272A5.7000306@finnovative.net> In-Reply-To: <41C272A5.7000306@finnovative.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What CD to use for installatoin X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:45:21 -0000 Joaquin Menchaca wrote: > Hi, > > There are 4 images, and I am not sure which one to use to start out > with: bootonly, miniinst, or disc 1. > I read some FreeBSD books, the big orange* one and the brown one**, > and from both I cannot find this simple newbie answer. :-) > > thanks, > Joaquin Menchaca > > > * *FreeBSD Unleashed (2nd Edition) *by Brian Tiemann, Michael Urban > *** The Complete FreeBSD, Documentation from the Source (4th Edition)* > by Greg Lehey 5.3-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso (Boot Only, Literally) 5.3-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso (Everything you need to do a full install of FreeBSD, X11 disto, popular packages) 5.3-RELEASE-i386-disc2.iso (A Live CD / System Recovery, more popular packages) 5.3-RELEASE-i386-miniinst.iso (Everything you need to do a full install of FreeBSD) You want ether disc1 or miniinst. disc1 is more or less for newbies. miniinst is everything you need to setup a full install of FreeBSD (base system, full src, ports system, full docs, etc.) but It does not have the X11 disto. personally I like to download this one because the first things I do after I get FreeBSD installed is install cvsup (from ports, it'd be nice if this one package was included on this CD), cvsup new ports, configure make.conf, install the X11 distro (from ports), install portupgrade (from ports), install Links (from ports), etc.... I like to use the ports system, not packages as they get stale very quickly, so this CD has everything I need. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 17 06:46:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CA116A4CE for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:46:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nuumen.pair.com (nuumen.pair.com [209.68.1.119]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5AA4743D1D for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:46:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from thuppi@nuumen.pair.com) Received: (qmail 36479 invoked by uid 55300); 17 Dec 2004 06:46:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:46:05 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Huppi X-X-Sender: thuppi@nuumen.pair.com To: Joaquin Menchaca In-Reply-To: <41C272A5.7000306@finnovative.net> Message-ID: References: <41C272A5.7000306@finnovative.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What CD to use for installatoin X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:46:07 -0000 On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Joaquin Menchaca wrote: > Hi, > > There are 4 images, and I am not sure which one to use to start out > with: bootonly, miniinst, or disc 1. > > I read some FreeBSD books, the big orange* one and the brown one**, and > from both I cannot find this simple newbie answer. :-) I don't know what set you have, and I have not read any books lately, but I've always used what is probably 'disk 1'. If it boots and gives you 'sysinstall', it's probably the one (or a good option.) Generally I've obtained FreeBSD by downloading the .iso images and burning them to disk. I've rarely used any of the others disks but #1, but I tend to do an install with only a tiny number of select applications ('cvsup' for instance), then use the 'ports' collection to build anything else I want after making my ports tree be up to date. It's certainly debatable whether my method makes sense! BTW, I no longer have access to a high speed connection so recently I've put a new system together by installing an old 5.1, then using 'cvsup' and 'buildworld'. It's a bit of work and there are some potentially confusing issues, but a good learning experience and perfectly practical for those with only a modem connection. Thanks, -Tom From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 17 07:12:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFCF616A4CE for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:12:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92.asp.att.net [63.240.76.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2B843D31 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:12:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92) with ESMTP id <20041217071249i92002akv6e>; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:12:49 +0000 Message-ID: <41C286F0.4040501@nbritton.org> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:12:48 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charming One References: <41c25d3c.1158cb17.10c9.111d@smtp.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <41c25d3c.1158cb17.10c9.111d@smtp.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Build World Problem. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:12:51 -0000 Charming One wrote: >Greetings, > > I recently did a world build upgrade from FreeBSD 5.2.1-Release to >6.0-Current. > > Your on your own buddy, this was the WRONG!!! thing to do, your on deadly grouds filled with many land mines, I recommend wiping it clean and doing a full reinstall (of 5.3). -CURRENT is alpha software for hardcore kernel developers only! (the exception to this rule is when there getting ready to brach a new -STABLE, i.g. 5-STABLE, the next major version of FreeBSD) If you cvsup with RELENG_6 you will be tracking -CURRENT (aka HEAD), NEVER! a good idea for a newbie. If you cvsup with RELENG_5 you will be tracking -STABLE, -STABLE does NOT imply the code is "Stable", only that there won't be radical changes to the code, that is what -CURRENT is for, I would not recommend tracking this for 5.x until it matures a bit more, maybe after 5.4 or 5.5-RELEASE and even after it stabilizes tracking -STABLE is not recommend for "production systems", Think of it as "Beta" software. If you cvsup with RELENG_5_3 you will be tracking the -RELEASE branch for that -RELEASE, this will get you critical and security updates, this is what you want. Also some -RELEASE branches are designated as errata fix branches. Then when 5.4 is released you would change it to RELENG_5_4 and cvsup to 5.4. >This error scrolls across the screen several times and I am unable to ever >reach a prompt, however if I restart in single user mode I can still mount >all my filesystems fine, and such, however I will be the first to admit I >have no idea what it would be that I am looking for. > > You "might" have a bastion of hope here, in single user mode, if you can cvsup back down to 5.3 and buildworld / buildkernel "and" get them installed you can recover the system. If you have anymore questions send them to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list, not here. This is not the place for techincal questions such as this. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 17 08:51:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723EC16A4CE for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:51:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C69A43D49 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:51:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xinizul@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so20031wra for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:51:12 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tpEUwlKl+YcD1h21KzS+H4SBYmX4KLRtAwIJt2YHotgA7Pqt7ILOJQbxJolN6tWPw7hjCVhn1Ryasz8EDVbptLAxauXY1+qthiAsFb58l/nUtQwX4UAE/9u02k1cx0COHkTNQokZh5qJe5Xuc6H1ea680jdRrlwHZAxFqVm5iGM= Received: by 10.54.30.25 with SMTP id d25mr163231wrd; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:51:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.22.78 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:51:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4d073056041217005126375bda@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:51:12 +0100 From: Xinizul Xinizul To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RCS utility X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Xinizul Xinizul List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:51:13 -0000 Hi all: I want to share a tool I just discovered yesterday which I found to be very useful. It is named RCS and allow us -specially for newbies people- to keep version control over text files -as the system ones-. Type "man rcsintro" from the shell or look for this subject in your prefferred search tool. Xinizul. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 17 11:10:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F2A16A4CE for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:10:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nuumen.pair.com (nuumen.pair.com [209.68.1.119]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7EB9A43D48 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:10:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from thuppi@nuumen.pair.com) Received: (qmail 32482 invoked by uid 55300); 17 Dec 2004 11:10:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:10:55 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Huppi X-X-Sender: thuppi@nuumen.pair.com To: Xinizul Xinizul In-Reply-To: <4d073056041217005126375bda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <4d073056041217005126375bda@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RCS utility X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:10:56 -0000 On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Xinizul Xinizul wrote: > Hi all: > > I want to share a tool I just discovered yesterday which I found to be > very useful. > > It is named RCS and allow us -specially for newbies people- to keep > version control over text files -as the system ones-. I think that it's a bit of a mis-conception to consider RCS to be a tool which is particularly associated with 'system files', although it's probably the most common use these days. A decade ago or less (I believe), it was not uncommon for teams of developers to use this revision control system for development efforts. Now-adays, people are probably more familiar with CVS which, interestingly (to me), started life as a set of shell scripts to make it easier for multiple people to use RCS. In fact you can still use many RCS commands on ',v' files within a CVS repository. If you think RCS is cool for general text file maintanence, you really should consider CVS as well. It's relatively easy to use, and a good deal more convenient for a lot of things. I just set up a test repository, commited a file and made a revision to test my above assurtion, and the process took about a minute ('course, I dunnit before :) Thanks, - Tom > Type "man rcsintro" from the shell or look for this subject in your > prefferred search tool. > > Xinizul. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 17 12:00:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE81A16A4CE for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:00:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [195.170.0.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 838CC43D5A for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:00:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (aris.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.226])iBHC0HNs025222; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:00:18 +0200 Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (orion [127.0.0.1]) iBHC0HBk061959; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:00:17 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost)iBHC0H9n061958; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:00:17 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:00:17 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Charming One Message-ID: <20041217120016.GA61897@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> References: <41c25d3c.1158cb17.10c9.111d@smtp.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41c25d3c.1158cb17.10c9.111d@smtp.gmail.com> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Build World Problem. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:00:26 -0000 On 2004-12-16 23:14, Charming One wrote: > I recently did a world build upgrade from FreeBSD 5.2.1-Release to > 6.0-Current. > > I had a clean kernel build, kernel install, and a clean build world and > build install, however when I reboot after installing the world, I get the > following error. > > Init: can't exec getty '/usr/libexec/getty' for port /dev/ttyv(#) No such > file or directory. You *did* remember to boot in single user mode and run mergemaster right? From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 17 12:30:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7577416A4CE for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:30:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx2.nic.fr (mx2.nic.fr [192.134.4.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A9643D1F for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:30:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bortzmeyer@nic.fr) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D6E726C07E; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:30:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from maya40.nic.fr (maya40.nic.fr [192.134.4.151]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E47A926C098; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:30:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost.localdomain (postfix@batilda.nic.fr [192.134.4.69]) by maya40.nic.fr (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id iBHCUn8q894497; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:30:49 +0100 (CET) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7C35C16AB2E; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:30:49 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:30:49 +0100 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Tom Huppi Message-ID: <20041217123049.GA11503@nic.fr> References: <4d073056041217005126375bda@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 X-Kernel: Linux 2.6.8-1-686 i686 Organization: NIC France X-URL: http://www.nic.fr/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mx2.nic.fr cc: Xinizul Xinizul cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RCS utility X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:30:54 -0000 On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 06:10:55AM -0500, Tom Huppi wrote a message of 44 lines which said: > If you think RCS is cool for general text file maintanence, you > really should consider CVS as well. CVS was fine but, if you start now, it may be a better idea to use a more modern tool such as Subversion (for centralized service) or arch or darcs (for decentralized service). See devel/subversion, devel/darcs and devel/arch. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 17 15:24:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB9916A4CE for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:24:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92.asp.att.net [63.240.76.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7796D43D58 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:24:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92) with ESMTP id <20041217152439i92002ara5e>; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:24:40 +0000 Message-ID: <41C2FA36.1000406@nbritton.org> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:24:38 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephane Bortzmeyer References: <4d073056041217005126375bda@mail.gmail.com> <20041217123049.GA11503@nic.fr> In-Reply-To: <20041217123049.GA11503@nic.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Tom Huppi cc: Xinizul Xinizul cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RCS utility X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:24:42 -0000 Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 06:10:55AM -0500, > Tom Huppi wrote > a message of 44 lines which said: > > > >>If you think RCS is cool for general text file maintanence, you >>really should consider CVS as well. >> >> > >CVS was fine but, if you start now, it may be a better idea to use a >more modern tool such as Subversion (for centralized service) or arch >or darcs (for decentralized service). > >See devel/subversion, devel/darcs and devel/arch. > > > > I have to agree, Subversion (SVN) is made by the same people that made CVS, they recommend SVN for all "new" installs. But also though, where talking about RCS which is meant for small scale projects, so RCS is is not in the same class as CVS and SVN, apples and oranges. Also you can run SVN on a standalone windows box and use TortoiseSVN (windows explorer shell extension) to emulate a simple version management system like RCS From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 17 15:37:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF4816A4CE for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:37:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx2.nic.fr (mx2.nic.fr [192.134.4.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6C743D5E for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:37:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bortzmeyer@nic.fr) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D43326C0AF; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:37:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from maya20.nic.fr (maya20.nic.fr [192.134.4.152]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E3C26C076; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:37:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost.localdomain (postfix@batilda.nic.fr [192.134.4.69]) by maya20.nic.fr (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id iBHFbCPr1434020; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:37:12 +0100 (CET) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id F2A4416AB30; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:37:11 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:37:11 +0100 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Nikolas Britton Message-ID: <20041217153711.GA26543@nic.fr> References: <4d073056041217005126375bda@mail.gmail.com> <20041217123049.GA11503@nic.fr> <41C2FA36.1000406@nbritton.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41C2FA36.1000406@nbritton.org> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 X-Kernel: Linux 2.6.8-1-686 i686 Organization: NIC France X-URL: http://www.nic.fr/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mx2.nic.fr cc: Tom Huppi cc: Stephane Bortzmeyer cc: Xinizul Xinizul cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RCS utility X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:37:17 -0000 On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 09:24:38AM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote a message of 30 lines which said: > I have to agree, Subversion (SVN) is made by the same people that > made CVS, Are you really sure? CVS was made a long time ago by people forgotten since. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 17 16:09:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44B8716A4CE for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:09:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92.asp.att.net [63.240.76.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC67343D5A for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:09:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92) with ESMTP id <20041217160906i92002bo2te>; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:09:06 +0000 Message-ID: <41C304A0.2010906@nbritton.org> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:09:04 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephane Bortzmeyer References: <4d073056041217005126375bda@mail.gmail.com> <20041217123049.GA11503@nic.fr> <41C2FA36.1000406@nbritton.org> <20041217153711.GA26543@nic.fr> In-Reply-To: <20041217153711.GA26543@nic.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Tom Huppi cc: Xinizul Xinizul cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RCS utility X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:09:07 -0000 Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 09:24:38AM -0600, > Nikolas Britton wrote > a message of 30 lines which said: > > > >>I have to agree, Subversion (SVN) is made by the same people that >>made CVS, >> >> > >Are you really sure? CVS was made a long time ago by people forgotten >since. > > > No but I remember reading about that from somewhere, maybe they just meant that it was designed to replace CVS... Plus you never know about my memory, its half baked and fuzzy most of the time. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 17 16:25:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00BAC16A4CE for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:25:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A7E43D4C for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:25:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from geekout@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 55so66703wri for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:25:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=s8f4JxgQ5fDkhiKEJ+8FUkRzzqXyvMzZvcDdSJok6Z32BzeEM8gUubVwXb0JAQmQqJygvjVl6/M8Q2wnxgxdZ07W6TAJOWQca4bLUX7KoHF4J6Kt76+x2SCx91tQb8xNo34TxUBUMNNWHMRASFTPmFcDQ9YNguk4g8B5A0z21xM= Received: by 10.54.6.39 with SMTP id 39mr408055wrf; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:25:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.46.34 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:25:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6e01203b0412170825593a781a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:25:21 -0700 From: Tyler Gee To: Nikolas Britton In-Reply-To: <41C304A0.2010906@nbritton.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4d073056041217005126375bda@mail.gmail.com> <20041217123049.GA11503@nic.fr> <41C2FA36.1000406@nbritton.org> <20041217153711.GA26543@nic.fr> <41C304A0.2010906@nbritton.org> cc: Tom Huppi cc: Stephane Bortzmeyer cc: Xinizul Xinizul cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RCS utility X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tyler Gee List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:25:23 -0000 Or, of course, you can jump on the cutting edge and use OpenCVS...if the other products those fine folks over at OpenBSD put out are anything to judge by OpenCVS will certainly pass CVS in terms of coolness (that is, usability, security, stability, etc) I haven't used it yet but it's only a week old and I've been kind of busy. :) -wtgee On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:09:04 -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: > Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > >On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 09:24:38AM -0600, > > Nikolas Britton wrote > > a message of 30 lines which said: > > > > > > > >>I have to agree, Subversion (SVN) is made by the same people that > >>made CVS, > >> > >> > > > >Are you really sure? CVS was made a long time ago by people forgotten > >since. > > > > > > > No but I remember reading about that from somewhere, maybe they just > meant that it was designed to replace CVS... Plus you never know about > my memory, its half baked and fuzzy most of the time. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 17 19:10:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ABF916A4CE for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:10:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DAF643D58 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:10:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHJAO3r079783 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:10:24 GMT (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iBHJAOCQ079781 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:10:24 GMT (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:10:24 GMT From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200412171910.iBHJAOCQ079781@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:10:25 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 17 20:16:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223BB16A4CE for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:16:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8DC143D4C for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:16:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xinizul@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so73227wra for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:16:39 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=c3ZuGTE5QE2KJY2YAl0cPP3f3aEYvngVin1/9C8XDVBuWp1B2N6jMawbS23usSgcFjiXTUXvkkFUKD+3OWWgxNWjFUPuu8OJ2KKQ90bE2Kzvr0wEEiHqXG6A8YOvMi51iWZDhcT76BXm9EZcULtPwU3mYf03YnYoH5ibKCSVEDE= Received: by 10.54.31.27 with SMTP id e27mr437824wre; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:16:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.22.78 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:16:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4d07305604121712161c2b2021@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:16:39 +0100 From: Xinizul Xinizul To: Tyler Gee In-Reply-To: <6e01203b0412170825593a781a@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4d073056041217005126375bda@mail.gmail.com> <20041217123049.GA11503@nic.fr> <41C2FA36.1000406@nbritton.org> <20041217153711.GA26543@nic.fr> <41C304A0.2010906@nbritton.org> <6e01203b0412170825593a781a@mail.gmail.com> cc: Tom Huppi cc: Nikolas Britton cc: Stephane Bortzmeyer cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RCS utility X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Xinizul Xinizul List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:16:40 -0000 Interesting thread,. I'm a developer and I know what CVS is made for. The interesting feature about RCS is that it doesn't need a root folder. You can make a revision on whatever file you want. This is why I think I find it usfeul for system administration. Cheers On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:25:21 -0700, Tyler Gee wrote: > Or, of course, you can jump on the cutting edge and use OpenCVS...if > the other products those fine folks over at OpenBSD put out are > anything to judge by OpenCVS will certainly pass CVS in terms of > coolness (that is, usability, security, stability, etc) > > I haven't used it yet but it's only a week old and I've been kind of busy. :) > > -wtgee > > On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:09:04 -0600, Nikolas Britton > wrote: > > Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > > > >On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 09:24:38AM -0600, > > > Nikolas Britton wrote > > > a message of 30 lines which said: > > > > > > > > > > > >>I have to agree, Subversion (SVN) is made by the same people that > > >>made CVS, > > >> > > >> > > > > > >Are you really sure? CVS was made a long time ago by people forgotten > > >since. > > > > > > > > > > > No but I remember reading about that from somewhere, maybe they just > > meant that it was designed to replace CVS... Plus you never know about > > my memory, its half baked and fuzzy most of the time. > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 17 20:45:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36CD16A4CE for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:45:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89FB443D54 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:45:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xinizul@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so75788wra for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:45:45 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=jOiQEWNylTw5yLSdncosV2oekHYDXhAH+x5mcMfDLZulJRpynEqzLAM/NGqMK8jDb4VCre7VxMvKQ5LpTTn2AZh6HhRQ/hJAKEQ8zNUDGYfU2j6k5GyqARziieEiuoEnjcyv1J/yr7UZSsEJFj5eEn3x89fnC4lYv3kbWIDXjpI= Received: by 10.54.10.47 with SMTP id 47mr446715wrj; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:45:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.22.78 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:45:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4d07305604121712452f298d22@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:45:44 +0100 From: Xinizul Xinizul To: Tyler Gee In-Reply-To: <4d07305604121712161c2b2021@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4d073056041217005126375bda@mail.gmail.com> <20041217123049.GA11503@nic.fr> <41C2FA36.1000406@nbritton.org> <20041217153711.GA26543@nic.fr> <41C304A0.2010906@nbritton.org> <6e01203b0412170825593a781a@mail.gmail.com> <4d07305604121712161c2b2021@mail.gmail.com> cc: Tom Huppi cc: Nikolas Britton cc: Stephane Bortzmeyer cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RCS utility X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Xinizul Xinizul List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:45:46 -0000 By the way. Thanks to all. I haven't heard before about subversion or darcs at all. On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:16:39 +0100, Xinizul Xinizul wrote: > Interesting thread,. > > I'm a developer and I know what CVS is made for. > > The interesting feature about RCS is that it doesn't need a root folder. > > You can make a revision on whatever file you want. This is why I think > I find it usfeul for system administration. > > Cheers > > > On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:25:21 -0700, Tyler Gee wrote: > > Or, of course, you can jump on the cutting edge and use OpenCVS...if > > the other products those fine folks over at OpenBSD put out are > > anything to judge by OpenCVS will certainly pass CVS in terms of > > coolness (that is, usability, security, stability, etc) > > > > I haven't used it yet but it's only a week old and I've been kind of busy. :) > > > > -wtgee > > > > On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:09:04 -0600, Nikolas Britton > > wrote: > > > Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > > > > > >On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 09:24:38AM -0600, > > > > Nikolas Britton wrote > > > > a message of 30 lines which said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I have to agree, Subversion (SVN) is made by the same people that > > > >>made CVS, > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >Are you really sure? CVS was made a long time ago by people forgotten > > > >since. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No but I remember reading about that from somewhere, maybe they just > > > meant that it was designed to replace CVS... Plus you never know about > > > my memory, its half baked and fuzzy most of the time. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 17 21:44:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D26C16A4CE for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:44:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nuumen.pair.com (nuumen.pair.com [209.68.1.119]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DE3BD43D45 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:44:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from thuppi@nuumen.pair.com) Received: (qmail 61125 invoked by uid 55300); 17 Dec 2004 21:44:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:44:46 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Huppi X-X-Sender: thuppi@nuumen.pair.com To: Stephane Bortzmeyer In-Reply-To: <20041217123049.GA11503@nic.fr> Message-ID: References: <4d073056041217005126375bda@mail.gmail.com> <20041217123049.GA11503@nic.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: Xinizul Xinizul cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RCS utility X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:44:47 -0000 On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 06:10:55AM -0500, > Tom Huppi wrote > a message of 44 lines which said: > > > If you think RCS is cool for general text file maintanence, you > > really should consider CVS as well. > > CVS was fine but, if you start now, it may be a better idea to use a > more modern tool such as Subversion (for centralized service) or arch > or darcs (for decentralized service). > > See devel/subversion, devel/darcs and devel/arch. I've not used the latter two, but I set up a subversion repository a few months ago as an experiment. I've administered and used CVS in large projects, and have seen it stressed to the breaking point (as well as run across it's deficiencies like lack of directory revisioning.) This was the main reason I tried subversions which I had an eye on since early in it's development. I liked it in my initial tests, and would recommend it, but... ...CVS is still in wide use and probably will be for some time. Because of it's simple repository structure, administering and understanding it is quite easy and low overhead compared to more capable (or simply, more complex) revision control systems. My comments were aimed at considering CVS for projects which might be an incremental step above RCS, and it's got pros and cons depending on the nature of the project. Thanks, - Tom From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 17 23:33:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A12B716A4CE for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:33:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nuumen.pair.com (nuumen.pair.com [209.68.1.119]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 29F3643D4C for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:33:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from thuppi@nuumen.pair.com) Received: (qmail 94155 invoked by uid 55300); 17 Dec 2004 23:33:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:33:43 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Huppi X-X-Sender: thuppi@nuumen.pair.com To: Xinizul Xinizul In-Reply-To: <4d07305604121712161c2b2021@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <4d073056041217005126375bda@mail.gmail.com> <20041217123049.GA11503@nic.fr> <41C2FA36.1000406@nbritton.org> <20041217153711.GA26543@nic.fr> <6e01203b0412170825593a781a@mail.gmail.com> <4d07305604121712161c2b2021@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: Nikolas Britton cc: Stephane Bortzmeyer cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: Tyler Gee Subject: Re: RCS utility X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:33:43 -0000 On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Xinizul Xinizul wrote: > Interesting thread,. > > I'm a developer and I know what CVS is made for. What something is made for and what it can be used for are often two different things. For whatever reason, this seems to be especially the case with Unix developed software and the platform in general, and is one of the reasons I find it inspiring. For instance, CVS, Rsync, and Make can be combine to allow one to get quite a lot of work done one a group of machines half way around the world where the latency of a terminal connection is on the order of 20 seconds. > The interesting feature about RCS is that it doesn't need a root folder. Ya, but I tend to use one anyway since it makes it easier for _me_ to see at a glance what files I have under RCS control in a crowded directory. Personal preference. > You can make a revision on whatever file you want. This is why I think > I find it usfeul for system administration. FWIW, I find RCS to be second to none for a great number of tasks, and it's what I used exclusively at the moment. I revision control just a handfull of files on my web hostso I use RCS. Were I doing the whole site, I'de choose CVS or more likely, Subversions. Thanks, -Tom From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 18 00:04:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDBC16A4CE for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 00:04:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.184]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A55043D2D for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 00:04:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mark@the-allisons.us) Received: from user-12hc4jb.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.18.107] helo=the-allisons.us) by pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CfS5e-0001xn-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:04:54 -0800 Received: (qmail 23945 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2004 00:04:36 -0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAv and Amavis-ng on the-allisons.us Received: from unknown (HELO mail.the-allisons.us) (192.168.1.2) by mail.the-allisons.us (192.168.1.5) with SMTP; 18 Dec 2004 00:04:33 -0000 Received: from 192.168.1.1 (SquirrelMail authenticated user mark) by mail.th-allisons.us with HTTP; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:04:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <51428.192.168.1.1.1103328273.squirrel@mail.th-allisons.us> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:04:33 -0600 (CST) From: mark@the-allisons.us To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on mail.the-allisons.us X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=2.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=ham version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Webmin X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 00:04:55 -0000 I've recently installed FreBSD on a system and I'm working though the learning process. In order to ease the configuration and maintenance issues I installed Webmin. the install process went fine, as far as I can tell, and it seams to start when I run the start script in the /usr/loca/etc/webmin directory. But when I try to access webmin from another system on my network I get a message that says connection was refused when trying to connect. Is there a setting that needs to be changed to allow me to access webmin from another system on the network, or is there a way to tell if it's running? Thanks, Mark From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 18 01:09:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A2B16A4CE for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 01:09:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B93B43D58 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 01:09:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with ESMTP id <20041218010906i9100rge89e>; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 01:09:06 +0000 Message-ID: <41C38330.5060409@nbritton.org> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:09:04 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark@the-allisons.us References: <51428.192.168.1.1.1103328273.squirrel@mail.th-allisons.us> In-Reply-To: <51428.192.168.1.1.1103328273.squirrel@mail.th-allisons.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Webmin X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 01:09:07 -0000 mark@the-allisons.us wrote: >I've recently installed FreBSD on a system and I'm working though the >learning process. > >In order to ease the configuration and maintenance issues I installed >Webmin. > > I am of the opinion that if you want to learn something that you just dig in and go for it at full bore, (even if you brake it, as this is a very valuable learning experience in and of itself and one of the best ways to learn*) not skirt around the issue using some wizard thingy so you never have to learn it. What happens when your wizard thingy stops working or brakes your system, what are you going to do then? *This is why I setup test machines and try to brake crap then try to fix it, If I can't then all I have to do is wipe it clean and start over. VMware works very well for this. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 18 02:30:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BECB916A4CE for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 02:30:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 720AB43D3F for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 02:30:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.171.1.225 with login) by smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2004 02:30:32 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:30:31 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <51428.192.168.1.1.1103328273.squirrel@mail.th-allisons.us> <41C38330.5060409@nbritton.org> In-Reply-To: <41C38330.5060409@nbritton.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200412171830.32072.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: mark@the-allisons.us cc: Nikolas Britton Subject: Re: Webmin X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 02:30:32 -0000 On Friday 17 December 2004 05:09 pm, Nikolas Britton wrote: > mark@the-allisons.us wrote: > >I've recently installed FreBSD on a system and I'm working though > > the learning process. > > > >In order to ease the configuration and maintenance issues I > > installed Webmin. > > I am of the opinion that if you want to learn something that you just > dig in and go for it at full bore, (even if you brake it, as this is > a very valuable learning experience in and of itself and one of the > best ways to learn*) not skirt around the issue using some wizard > thingy so you never have to learn it. What happens when your wizard > thingy stops working or brakes your system, what are you going to do > then? > > *This is why I setup test machines and try to brake crap then try to > fix it, If I can't then all I have to do is wipe it clean and start > over. VMware works very well for this. Yes, I agree, and you should probably get used to administration through a shell (command line). I know this can be scary at first, but there is no purpose in delaying getting used to it, because if you're going to run FreeBSD, you have to get used to it. However, like grammar, once you know the rules you can break them, within reason - once you understand how to do it the "hard way," then figure out a way to make it easier, except if doing it the hard way has a purpose (like discouraging mistakes or certain behaviors), or many times you'll discover that what looked like the hard way is actually easier. As an example, at first I used cvsup with the gui, but I found almost immediately that invoking it without the gui from a shell was not only easier and simpler, but it also allowed me to use it within a script so I could run it as a cron job. I still use a gui mailer and run my box for everyday use with a desktop, but I do all administration with shells or without X running at all (and sometimes Mutt and w3m are just fine, instead of KMail and Firefox). FreeBSD is created more as a server than a workstation or general desktop machine, but it works fine for me that way, although the administration of it reflects this distinction. I'm not saying you can't use Webmin, but I'd encourage you to try to admin it the way it's designed before you start adding stuff to it, just so you know what's going on behind that ui. As far as your particular problem, I'm not familiar with Webmin, but you might have to install ssh or something similar to allow remote access with it. That question is probably best asked on the -questions list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions , which is the main tech help list - this is not a tech help list - although you most likely will get a similar response, but perhaps someone does know. - jt From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 18 04:04:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245B116A4CE for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 04:04:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from safeco.hostingservice.net (safeco.hostingservice.net [209.150.128.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A55D743D2F for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 04:04:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from adam@jamradar.com) Received: from PANASONIULSWMR (c-67-176-199-73.client.comcast.net [67.176.199.73])iBI44rD25554; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 22:04:53 -0600 Message-ID: <005401c4e4b6$ba6c7f70$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> From: "Adam" To: "Tyler Gee" , References: <003701c4e3a7$2f37b4c0$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> <20041216194335.GA91562@alexis.mi.celestial.com> <004b01c4e3a8$ac6e57e0$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> <6e01203b04121611571f8fdc6f@mail.gmail.com> <005b01c4e3aa$505d8c30$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR> <6e01203b04121612157950c31b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 22:04:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Subject: Re: Can't SU to Root on Telent X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 04:04:55 -0000 It looks like a bug in SSHTerm. PuTTY logs in fine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyler Gee" To: "Adam" Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 2:15 PM Subject: Re: Can't SU to Root on Telent > If the server is freebsd all you have to do is put > > sshd_enable="YES" > > in /etc/rc.conf and then from any other computer you can ssh in. > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/openssh.html > > -wtgee > > On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:03:25 -0600, Adam wrote: > > I wsa having problems setting up ssh, I really have no idea on how SSH works > > and the tutorial I used wasn't working. I don't know if it's my terminual > > (SSHTerm from 3sp dot com) or my server setup. I just think I did something > > wrong. I'm just trying to go fast here. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tyler Gee" > > To: "Adam" > > Cc: ; > > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 1:57 PM > > Subject: Re: Can't SU to Root on Telent > > > > > Are you sure you want to be using telnet? I know that you are not > > > worried about security but it is probably not a good habit to get > > > into. You can just as easily set up ssh and use that and it can do > > > everything telnet can do. > > > > > > My feeling is that telnet has probably disabled root always, no matter > > > what. That is how I would do it anyway. > > > > > > -wtgee > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:51:40 -0600, Adam wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Bill Campbell" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 1:43 PM > > > > Subject: Re: Can't SU to Root on Telent > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2004, Adam wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >I set up my first server and enabled telent. It's all on a closed > > > > network > > > > > >so I'm not worried about security. I just want to practice stuff. > > > > > > > > > > >When I try to login in a root with the correct password, I get "Login > > > > > >Incorrect". I expect this is happening because 'root' isn't allowed > > > > remote > > > > > >access. > > > > > > > > > > >So when I login as a normal user, I try to "su" and I get "su: > > Sorry". > > > > Do > > > > > >I have to set some special permissions for this? > > > > > > > > > > Off the top of my head, I think you need to be a member of the > > > > > ``wheel'' group to su to root. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > -- > > > > > INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC > > > > > UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way > > > > > FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) > > > > 236-1676 > > > > > URL: http://www.celestial.com/ > > > > > > > > > > Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied them the > > usual > > > > > way. This happens to us all the time with computers, and nobody > > thinks of > > > > > complaining. > > > > > -- Jef Raskin http://jefraskin.com/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > > I thought I set that up. How do I check if a user is a member of wheel? > > If > > > > not how do I add them to that group? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 18 17:24:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB0616A4CE for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 17:24:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.186]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9171543D31 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 17:24:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.171.1.225 with login) by smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2004 17:24:24 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, chris@seagul.co.uk Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:24:23 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200412180924.23387.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Subject: Re: Syslog remote logging problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 17:24:25 -0000 On Sunday 12 December 2004 09:29 am, "Chris Roos" wrote: > Hi, > > I have spent quite some time today trying to get my Netgear DG834 > ADSL Router to log it's syslog messages to syslogd running on FreeBSD > 5.3R. > > The first step was to check that the syslog messages were arriving at > the FreeBSD box by using tcpdump with a filter for udp packets. This > confirmed that the packets were being 'seen' by the FreeBSD box. > > The next step was to set-up a rule in syslog.conf to log all data > from the router to /var/log/router.log. This is where the first > problems appeared. Initially, I added the following to the end of > syslog.conf > > +router > *.* /var/log/router.log > > As this entry was below the program entries for ppp and startslip, > and having read the man pages, I gather that syslog was now set-up to > log from router only entries matching the above programs (due to the > cascading nature of the syslog.conf rules). I moved the router > definition to above the program entries and verified that the log > file was being populated. I read in the man pages that to cancel a > program or hostname rule within the syslog.conf file use '*', however > I have not been able to get this to work correctly. I have tried the > following at the end of the file (before moving the router definition > to above the ppp and startslip program entries to enable it to work > correctly) with no success. > > * > +router > *.* /var/log/router.log > > and > > *+router > *.* /var/log/router.log > > I would like to know the correct format of this so that I can be sure > that I am logging everything I should be. > > In addition to the above, I am having problems starting the syslogd > daemon using the -a flag. If I try to start syslogd with any of the > following options, I do not get the remote logs from router (IP > address 192.168.3.20) > > -a 192.168.3.20 > -a 192.168.3.20/16 > -a 192.168.3.20/255.255.255.0 > -a 192.168.3.20:'*' > -a 192.168.3.20/16:'*' > -a 192.168.3.20/255.255.255.0:'*' > > I am currently running syslogd with no parameters which allows me to > log from the remote host correctly but I would much prefer if I could > allow only the remote host that I want to log from. > > Any help on either of these points would be greatly appreaciated. I see nobody has answered you - this is not actually a tech help list. See: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions Anyway, I log a router with my box, but I do it differently. In /etc/rc.conf, you should have: syslogd_flags="-a 192.168.3.20" All logged info from the router can be sent to whatever file with this in /etc/syslog.conf, as you tried earlier: > +router > *.* /var/log/router.log This *should* work, but fwiw, I haven't been able to get it to work. But with the default settings in syslog.conf, router messages are logged in /var/log/messages, which is fine for my purposes right now. I'm sure there's a better way, but at least that will work. - jt