From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 14:28:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24AE016A4D0 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:28:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.server.rpi.edu (smtp1.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF8143D3F for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:28:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp1.server.rpi.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0CKR0LJ001994 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:27:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:26:59 -0500 To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) Subject: Interest in 64-bit time_t for PPC port? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:28:15 -0000 The sparc64 port is looking to switch it's time_t definition from 32-bit to 64-bit. No effort at backwards-compatibility, we'll just do a hard-and-fast switch. With a little luck, we may do that this month. We would have to do it before 5.3, or we would have to let it wait until 6.0 (at which point we *will* have to provide backwards-compatibility). We believe we can do that now, because there aren't all that many sparc64 users, and most of them would rather get this change out- of-the-way right now. Would this make sense for the PPC port, too? I am not running freebsd/ppc on anything yet, so I don't think my opinion on this counts for much. If it does seem like a good idea, the writeup in http://people.freebsd.org/~gad/time-64/UPDATING.64BTT and the script in: http://people.freebsd.org/~gad/time-64/installworld_nk should give all the details on what would need to be done. The writeup is not perfect, but it does include a complete and explicit list of the steps which every user should follow to perform the 64-bit update. But it's half-written for people who are *testing* that change (and the installworld_nk script), and half-written as if the change has already taken place. As background, I'll note that the amd64 and ia64 ports are already using a 64-bit time_t. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 15:07:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA14D16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:07:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from liberty.onthenet.com.au (liberty.OntheNet.com.au [203.22.124.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EFF743D58 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:07:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd.org (CPE-30-210.dsl.onthenet.net [203.144.30.210]) i0CN77ZG075515; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:07:08 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <400328F4.6020609@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:08:36 +1000 From: Peter Grehan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030524 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garance A Drosihn References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Interest in 64-bit time_t for PPC port? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:07:11 -0000 > We believe we can do that now, because there aren't all that many > sparc64 users, and most of them would rather get this change out- > of-the-way right now. Would this make sense for the PPC port, > too? I think so. > I am not running freebsd/ppc on anything yet, so I don't > think my opinion on this counts for much. Now's your chance :-) Since there's so few users, bin-compat isn't an issue, and it's a chance for me to drop in some binary incompat in the signal code. later, Peter. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 15:19:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB3B16A4CE; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:19:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp3.server.rpi.edu (smtp3.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684B543D5D; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:19:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp3.server.rpi.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0CNJ8AI030433; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:19:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <400328F4.6020609@freebsd.org> References: <400328F4.6020609@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:19:06 -0500 To: Peter Grehan From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Interest in 64-bit time_t for PPC port? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:19:10 -0000 At 9:08 AM +1000 1/13/04, Peter Grehan wrote: > >> > I am not running freebsd/ppc on anything yet, so I don't >> > think my opinion on this counts for much. > > Now's your chance :-) I do intend to put freebsd/ppc on my old iBook, or maybe my G4 cube (if I could set that up to dual-boot), but I haven't had the time yet. >Since there's so few users, bin-compat isn't an issue, and >it's a chance for me to drop in some binary incompat in the >signal code. The script and the instructions should "make it easier" to make it through a source-upgrade of many kinds of incompatible changes. They are not specific to the 64-bit change. (or at least, I don't *think* they are...) -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 16 10:01:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52CA816A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:01:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from radicalv.com (secure.radicalv.com [216.118.91.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB4343D1D for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:00:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ecrist@adtechintegrated.com) Received: (qmail 26727 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 18:00:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.1.100) (66.41.18.160) by mail.radicalv.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 18:00:53 -0000 From: Eric F Crist Organization: AdTech Integrated Systems, Inc To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:00:48 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Boundary-02=_QbCCA8v+fEFKnRl"; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200401161200.48818.ecrist@adtechintegrated.com> Subject: Obtaining for a new install? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: ecrist@adtechintegrated.com List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 18:01:25 -0000 --Boundary-02=_QbCCA8v+fEFKnRl Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: signed data Content-Disposition: inline How do I get the freebsd-ppc install going on an old G3? I was hoping for = a=20 bootable CD or a floppy install. TIA =2D-=20 Eric F Crist AdTech Integrated Systems, Inc (612) 998-3588 --Boundary-02=_QbCCA8v+fEFKnRl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBACCbQzdyDbTMRQIYRAsArAKDK7Mc1Yhnih7ozrG/OgB5bZf8oPwCeKFz8 EFkVYVmkqxptBr/ml4c6xiw= =LrEH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Boundary-02=_QbCCA8v+fEFKnRl-- From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 16 10:03:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1800C16A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:03:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from moof.catpipe.net (moof.catpipe.net [195.249.214.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E583543D2D for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:03:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from regnauld@moof.catpipe.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.catpipe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBA370673; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:03:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from moof.catpipe.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (moof.catpipe.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 68361-01; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:03:43 +0100 (CET) Received: by moof.catpipe.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9FB0F7067B; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:03:43 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:03:43 +0100 From: Phil Regnauld To: Eric F Crist Message-ID: <20040116180342.GW41555@moof.catpipe.net> References: <200401161200.48818.ecrist@adtechintegrated.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200401161200.48818.ecrist@adtechintegrated.com> X-message-flag: Outlook: spreading viruses since 1997! http://www.rodos.net/outlook/ X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE i386 Organization: catpipe Systems ApS User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at catpipe.net cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Obtaining for a new install? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 18:03:48 -0000 Eric F Crist (ecrist) writes: Content-Description: signed data > How do I get the freebsd-ppc install going on an old G3? Older G3s are not supported at the moment, since they use "old-world" ROMs. It might work on the Blue & White, though. > I was hoping for a > bootable CD or a floppy install. The port is not at this point so advanced or stable that it warrants a bootable CD or installation floppies (the latter especially considering that newer Macs don't even have a floppy...) From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 17 14:59:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF3F216A4CE for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:59:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from liberty.onthenet.com.au (liberty.OntheNet.com.au [203.22.124.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887AF43D3F for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:59:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd.org (CPE-30-236.dsl.onthenet.net [203.144.30.236]) i0HMxEZG096118; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 08:59:15 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <4009BEA4.1020102@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:00:52 +1000 From: Peter Grehan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030524 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Phil Regnauld References: <200401161200.48818.ecrist@adtechintegrated.com> <20040116180342.GW41555@moof.catpipe.net> In-Reply-To: <20040116180342.GW41555@moof.catpipe.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Obtaining for a new install? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:59:35 -0000 > Older G3s are not supported at the moment, since they use "old-world" > ROMs. It might work on the Blue & White, though. To clarify: Beige G3, won't work. iMac revA-D and B&W G3: will work, but ethernet not supported yet. later, Peter.